4 Trail Bikes Under $3000 - Santa Cruz vs Commencal vs YT vs Norco | 2020 Pinkbike Field Trip
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
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Owning a 2019 YT Jeffsy AL Base, I can confirm the great value of the bike!
I just got a Capra 29 from YT and same here, best value bike on the market
Have you heard of Bikesdirect
I have a 2020 jeffsy and just upgraded the fork to 160mm and It’s an absolute beast
I’m really interested in yt. But there sizing has it hard to make a decision. I’m 6 foot maybe a hair taller, I want a playful bike but don’t want to be cramped. Any direction or opinion would be helpful. L? Or XL?
@@trentcarter616 I'm 183cm and ride XL Jeffsy 29 - they're not that big - but when pushing it on the stairs when I get home, I realize that it is a chunk of a bike. I feel really really good on it - both up and down. on the other hand, just met the dude who is 188cm and rides L Jeffsy 29 - and swears it's the best fit for him ever. so, you know - depends what you want. if agility is your thing - than L, if stability - XL. one does not prevails over the other that much - but L and XL have different chainstay lengths - and I think, besides reach, the biggest difference is there. I'd advise XL for you.
Let’s hope one of these days, these bikes will be in stock!
lol yeah
I think these bikes are the sweetspot for mountain bikes. Ive spent 4800 and id never go more only down because I feel like once you spend like 3k the more you go up with tiny tiny gains.
6:11 Levys face is exactly how I feel when people start talking about weight.
Great overview guys. Despite being a hardtail fan, I agree that Sedona's trails are best enjoyed on a full suspension
Agree spending too much on a bike doesn’t make it feel much better these days. Doesn’t make you ride any better also. Geo most important
Last but not least, when do we get more on Levy’s crash into the cactus?
Very soon! You will be able to see it in the Impossible Climb video we have coming.
@@pinkbike #69 ;) ;) Funny because I live just 2hrs south of Sedona and was just thinking the other day I better put something in seral to pull out cactus & thorns. If not out of my ass at least my tires! Love seeing you guys in AZ!
I love the timeless design of the Commencal. I was in the market a couple years ago and ended up with a Spectral but I still find myself gawking at the Commencal TR whenever I see it on the tube (I still haven't seen one in person).
dude, i was in the market a couple years ago too, choosing between Spectral and Meta TR, ended up with the TR, but only because the spectral was out of stock. I don't regret.
I scored a Meta Tr Signature edition Fox 36 grip 2 Kashima, Fox Float X2 Kashima, Kashima Fox Transfer dropper, ethirteen TRs + wheelset, sram gx eagle drive train, sram xo1 derailleur, shimano xt 2 piston brakes, I upgraded the to carbon Renthal Fat bars and stem, Onyx vesper hubs laced to Stans flow ex3s and this Fn thing is a bomber of a trail bike at 150mm front 130mm rear! Commencal nailed it in my opinion!
It's nice that they put some provisional brakes on the bikes so that you can ride home (somewhat) safely where you can put on your Shimanos.
I would say direct sales brands offer good value so long and you can do your own wrenching and don't have anything major from a warranty perspective. I do think that if your going to depend on a local shop for service you need to factor in what services they provide free on bikes purchased through them vs what your going to have to pay for those services on a bike bought elsewhere.
Love it, nobody is trying to promote 4/5 grand bikes, the chosen trail bikes are good enough for a few years of shredding, what more do you need if you are not booked into the next Enduro race?
I see your point, but did you ride a 200mm 10k downhill bike in a bike park? You absolutly dont need it but its fun af.
@@yannikbaltes3552 its like super cars, whos gonna need 700hp on a road? But its soo fun
The only thing keeping from enduro is I'm "fat" and kids/wife. I assure you it's not my commencal.
Just ordered a YT Jeffsy for my first full squish thanks to your review in the other video! Can't wait to get it
I ordered one too. Yeah, they're out of stock thanks to this Corona scare. But, I have the patience to wait the 3months for it.
I'll just continue to ride my hardtail until it gets here.
Although, I will say this; It's tough when the first thing I do everyday when I wake up is think about the Jeffsy lol. Or look up more videos about it hahaha
@@williamdistasio9358 I have been on the fence about the YT for awhile. Yesterday, they were on backorder until 9/9. Went to look today and now it's 10/7 :(
I ordered it anyways... the wait will give me a chance for my bank account to recuperate, I guess!
@@doridori13
That sucks! So, I wonder, does that mean I'm waiting until 10/7 now too?
I ordered when it said 9/9.
And yes about the bank account! I feel ya on that! Lol
@@williamdistasio9358 I'm assuming that they have a shipment that will arrive by 9/9, and that I just missed out on that wave.
@@doridori13
That's possible. But, I have heard how it has taken a long time for YT to get their bikes to some people and others got theirs on time or sooner than expected.
I should just stop thinking about it!!
Btw, congrats yourself on your purchase! What other bike/ bikes did you consider?
You mentioned being on the fence.
So what difference did the fork and brakes make
Levy: YES
I'm super happy with my Commencal Hardtail... I'm so relieved that you guys finally reviewed a Commencal 👍
Why would you feel relieve when someone reviewes something? You should be asking yourself if you like it or not.
@@Pienimusta validation for purchase and/or brand loyalty 😬
@@Pienimusta Pinkbike have received criticism in the past for reviewing brands from the big 2 and never focusing on smaller less mainstream brands.
Its refreshing to see a brand that cares about their end consumer like Commencal get some love.
@@Aggressive_Splooge I’m new to this. Who’s the big 2 within the MTB community?
Finally some saying that a 3k bike can be as fun and good as a 7k bike. Times are changing.
7k mountain bike, lol, what planet do you people live on ;D
@@bartzed4305 that 3k bike will fail and a $150 bike will beat it.
Thank's for this great rundown on some reasonably obtainable bikes!
I've been super impressed with my commencal meta am. Sometimes I wish I got the trail version, but really happy none the less.
Im tossing up between the am and tr. Tell me why you sometimes want the trail version?
@@cayne1 I ride fairly technical north east single track... Stuff like "Lynn woods" and "Harald Parker State forest" ... There are YT vids of those places to get ta sense of the terrain. But spent a lot of my biking career on 26" DJ mountain bikes and BMX type bikes. Riding a variety of stuff (skate parks, urban, dirt jumps, single track, etc).
The meta was my first 27.5 wheeled bike and it felt giant compared to everything I've ridden and sometimes I feel like I'm cheating / just blasting over stuff since the bike is very capable. However, I really cannot bunny hop it, manual, or do any fancier stuff like I can on my DJ style bikes (people can....I just can't).
I'd go with the meta if you:
1. Have other bikes such as a hardtail
2. You ride pretty technical stuff fairly regularly and maybe a heavier rider
3. You plan to do some lift service /DH type riding (I was before all this covid stuff).
I'd get the trail version if:
1. Lighter rider
2. Mostly riding long high mileage trail systems with minimal northshore style features and jumps
3. If this would be you're one and only bike.... I feel over biked for allot of trail systems in my area and sometimes have to get on a less capable bike to hone my skills.
TBH I never ridden the trail version, but I feel like it might have been a good choice for me personally.
Thanks man thats wicked info!
Awesome stuff.
One part I must have is a top-of-the-line fork. If it doesn't come with it stock, I'm upgrading. Every time.
I always feel like theres tension between the two hosts on the left.
Competing for the title of Mike
Obligatory "WHERE IS THE GRIM DONUT!!" comment
Heh, the Santa Cruz is just kind of there...not a single mention.
Because it is bad value. I don't even bother looking at their range.
Yeah, Orbea Occam would have been better. Actually a good value at $3k
sampsalol it’s not a bad value that extra money gets you the lifetime warranty on the frame and bearings better brakes better fork the service from the dealer more parts availability ect.
@@averyc5827 Everything else you said is a lie except the frame warranty.
sampsalol free bearings and bushings for life is a lie? Got my free replacement set yesterday for free so.... yea it’s true. Also do the others have threaded bottom bracket? I’d pay extra for that. If you’ve ever had to service a bottom bracket you should know why there is more value in threaded.
SLX, Suntour, Ritchey and this Santa Cruz frame and I can have a 5 year bike that is way better then I could have imagined 5 years ago. But I'll stick to my Voltage. Still as strong, just updated.
i would like to see you guys testing the focus jam
Got myself a meta am 29 and it feels like a dh bike 💯... Commencal really do know how to make a burly af bike 🤟🤟
29 170 bike is basically a dh bike these days unless your a redbull rider jumping off skyscrapers. How does that monster pedal though? got my eye on a 2019 meta am 29.
Thanks for the insight.
Great series of videos.
Cheers to all.
Love the look of the YT
Yt definitely the best looking one, and the best value, which leaves you extra money to upgrade the damper to a 2.1 and any other upgrades
Finally minecrafter and mtber whats your ign?
Aggelos Papadogeorgos sorry I don’t post pics of my bike or pc or miner fat but I’m going to start making RUclips videos and I’m buying a yt jeffsy so I might post a video of that too
@@fazza2104 i mean mc ign lol u play online hypixel or singleplayer?
Aggelos Papadogeorgos some of both, it’s AwesomeFazza
Last year i couldn't decide if i should get the Meta TR or the Jeffsy. Ordered the Meta TR and realized that I could only run tiny 125mm dropper with my short legs. Got the Last Glen instead and I am happy eversince.
Yeah dog, Meta TR pick of the bunch and over the YT! Any other TR owners just messed the front of their pants?
100% yes haha
Direct to consumer brands are the way forward. More bike for your money.
start of the season, got a 2016 kona process. I like it.. but tempted to sell it for around 2k and buy something newer for 3k. cant decide If I wanna trade old better components for newer cheaper components but better geo
Had been fair to use the YT jeffsy Comp instead. Carbon frame, Code R brakes, fox 36. 2999 usd. Insta win.
Yeah man, I ordered the AL frame base model like here in this video. But, I definitely thought about the value of the CF frame and better components for $700 more.
Just sucks that with Corona-19, my wallet has been lighter than normal.
Oh well. I'll see where the $3000 bikes are at in a few years of beating up this model! 🤙
I can't believe the Ibis Ripmo AF isn't in this test
Would love to see more video of that Norco.
just ordered the 2020 yt jeffsy and I'm hype as, cant wait to get this thing
I thought theire Out of Stock?
hehe getting mine in 8 days!
This is really helping my options. thanks!
To anyone looking fro a bike under 3000, check out the other pinkbike video comparing the canyon spectral to the ibis ripmo af... I see those as much better bikes while staying under 3k
Linus G Just order my ripmo af
The prison toilet vs the bin chicken.
Hey gurus!
great video I would agree on that Comencal, I wish I would have waited and bought that bike.
When over-inflating a Recon I get good proper support but it seems to ramp up too fast/deflect off shit all the time.
if good traction, it feels like a POS, all sloppy and low.
They recommend full open on rebound for my weight, maybe I will slow it down see what happens...
I need a real fork and my fuel ex becomes alive (demoed the higher-end version with the fox 34)
The Jeffsy 29 Comp is under 3000 as well with a carbon frame. Any thoughts on that $700 upgrade?
Worth it if you have the cash. has a better fork too, not to mention the dune grey paint job is sick. IMO the comp is the best bang for your buck on the market right now
To bad they are always out of stock, not to mention no threaded bb
nx instead of sx, carbon frame, fox shocks instead of rockshox so more adjustability and some minor differences.. after tax and shipping its $3.4 though
My entire area is granite boulders, and rocks about softball to soccer ball sized.
I've steered clear of carbon since I've gouged frames before.
I'm not educated on the finer points of carbon but I thought it highly comprises the frame if damaged, and pita to fix.
I gouged my commencal meta am aluminum frame bike 2nd ride out.... I did cry a bit but I still trust that it's not going to catastrophically fail. Maybe I'm worrying about nothing?
Wish you had included the Canyon Spectral. I'm considering between the YT Jeffsy Comp 29 and the Canyon Spectral AL 5.0.
Not one mention of the Santa Cruz ???
I'd take the Santa Cruz or Commencal.
@pinkbike why won’t you tell us the name and artist on the intro song for this series????
Why test the alloy Jeffsy and not the carbon? Sure the carbon is priced right at $2,999 but I would think bang for your buck a full carbon frame for that price with those components would win out over the others tested here. Maybe I’m wrong?
I know this is unusual question but could u tell me which bike around $4000 full suspension. Is the most comfortable sitting up right position for flat riding. I want one for flat that will be super comfortable crossing sidewalks in city without getting sore now I have specialized bike that has no suspension at all and I’m looking for full suspension! And once in a while I’ll go off road but 95% I won’t. Thank u
Id rather have a solid, well specked, and cheap bike (like Commencal, vitus does) than a full carbon with downgraded parts, just personal preference
They need to review the nukeproof reactor 290 comp
Justin Miller even the 290 Expert is under 3k
kevin hansen I’m still trying to decide what bike to buy the Commencal, Yt, or the nukeproof reactor.
You are thinking of GBP. This test is bikes under 3000 US dollars. The expert is nearly 4000$ the comp is over 3k . Also the Reactor labelled a trail bike but is bordering on enduro territory. The Vitus bikes are better value.
Jeffsy is now 3000$, the Canyon spectral has a much better value for 600$ less. Not even worth talking about the Commencal since its now 3700$ with worst parts then the other two that I just mention.
YOU CHEATED!!! LOL :) My BF/Wife and I are just laughing .... "Which bike did you like the least?" My BF said, "It's like they had 3 different kinds of apples lined up and then put in a pear, and asked the question, 'Which apple did you like the least?'"
But I too love the Commencal Meta TR best, and am just waiting for this CV to clear to buy it. I only wish it had a GX option without having to upgrade all the other gadgets. I had already decided against buying another "pear" as I love my present hardtail, but looked at the Pole and the Torrent, just in case. Still LOL :)
I bought my Commencal Meta TR one month after this review came out. And 6 months later I can tell you that I love it - head and shoulders over so many others. However, it was not under $3,000, but just over it. And then I upgraded with GX Derailleur and GX Wrist Shifter - wonderful. Thank you Pink Bike! P.S. It came with great Schwalbe tires - while so many come with tires that need upgraded. OH - It could due with more powerful brakes, but I am making due. LOL!!!!!
Really interested in the yt. But there sizing I’m 6 foot. Right in the middle. I want it to be playful but I don’t want to feel cramped. Any options would be great.
For me the Scott ransom would win, please make a video about that bike
Levy always said something when Kazimer wanted 4 piston brakes, now he suddenly vouches for them :D
Does anybody know where I can look at a YT Jeffsy, as in the one in this video? I’ve looked all over the website and I can’t find anything on it. Please let me know where to find more information on this specific bike ASAP.
I wonder how long it will be before someone designs a water bladder that sits inside the frame and you just have a hose out. Levy would have 40oz easy.
I like bikes....rubber...metal stufff...grab the lever---pull it a few times...cool
What's the difference between the Revelation on the Commencal and the 35 Gold on the Santa Cruz if they both have the motion control damper?
Mr. Popo I’m not an expert but if I had to guess it would be build quality/stiffness or air spring. Or both.
Edit also the revelation has sag gradients I’m pretty sure the 35 gold doesn’t
@@aidenthwaits2646 I'm pretty sure they're both DebonAir
Of the 4 bikes what one is the best for a heavier rider? Around 240lbs.
Throw the Ripmo AF into the mix
It's all about geometry and Commencal Wins
In a bit disappointed that they didn't really about the vitus Mythique in this round table, since it offers basically the same component spec or better than the bikes in this range. Do you give up that much in the frame design?
Also a little disappointed that they had the 150mm yt but didn't include the ripmo AF.
I assume the Mythique will be in the $2k and under group in the next video
@@Katastra_ That video came out weeks ago
Yeah, I saw it on that one, but it would have been nice to hear compared here since on paper it looks equal to these bikes.
Did you forget the hightower
That eye roll at 6:10 has convinced me to go for the Jeffsy core 2 over the 3! Cheers mate
I want Santa Cruz, but am on a budget, so can anyone recommend a cheaper Santa Cruz bike or different bike with wheel size 27.5
Nice video
Are you going to do a review about YT capra base?
Planet X , Hello Dave , for a $1000 less than the torrent
Awesome work gents.
I can’t find a Santa Cruz for less than £3000 anywhere and they don’t sell from there site
Could u do something with the calibre sentry?
Commencal HT Meta Essential - Please test it
MARBLES!!!
How these bieks compare with the Devinci Troy ?
Imagine having 3k hahah, laughs in poverty.
Jonah Fastré take out a loan and build your credit🤣
You're in the wrong sport if you think 3k is alot. Get into motorcross or atv racing lol
Squid cars are by far the worst🤣you can rack up so much while barely noticing
Demarki a $2000 hardtails gonna be a lot better than a $2000 full sus🤷🏽♂️
Andrew Yankee but honestly if your on a tight budget there’s always the used market, I got a full suspension bike for $650 and it’s fantastic
I wanna see a comp 29 review
Why not put water bottle mounts on the top of the top tube?
Why do you never review or mention any nukeproofs the great and affordable
Let's see the enduro bikes
I would go with Propain Hugene 👍
That yt isn't made anymore right?
Please do a review on the giant trance 3.. pretty please
Non carbon
Yt jeffsey or the vitus mythique 29 vrx?
Can you test the new Hyper? It’s sweeet!
🙂
I’m a 47yr large man (6’2” 275lbs). I like to ride technical single track back home where I live. Im getting a new bike and have narrowed it down to the Commencal Meta and the YT Jeffsy. Which one do you think would suit me best or do you have another one in mind. I want to keep it in this price range. Thx
Meta 29 TR
Im just looking for a new bike around 2,5K€ but hightower in EU cost 3400€ why tf? :D
is there another 27.5 trail bike review coming out?
Any plans on reviewing the HT version of the Meta?
I had one myself. really nice and capable bike but the rear end is brutally stiff.
What's the intro track called?
Oliver Guy darude: sandstorm
ruclips.net/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/видео.html got it right here dude, just had to listen to it with google Lens open
You forgot the canyon spectral al 5
How would a Marin Rift Zone 3 stack up?
I wish Marin would get more inclusion in these kinds of tests! My HH3 is pretty darn fun.
Can a Canyon Strive can hit bike jumps like crabapple hits or can a Canyon Torque climb for a Enduro race
i would take a canyon spectral instead
Marbles was my cats name! lol
Is there any of these Bikes still available* for that money in 2021?
Even you used you now pay more than 3000$ for these now (except the Torrent maybe)
*I mean theoretically.
I know that everything is out of stock at the moment, so with available I mean possible to buy at this price point.
All the manufacturers raised their prices by a huge margin nowadays with their excuse being COVID.
Funny thing their sales skyrocketed through COVID, so it’s a pretty dick move to try to make even more money out of this pandemic..
no ripmo af?
Aaaaaand these bikes are all 4500 bucks now
Inflation sucks balls.
Everything functions properly ruclips.net/user/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Nothing was damaged in the box aside from a decal on the fork. The decal was missing a piece of a corner but I ended up peeling them off anyways. Assembly is easy BUT make sure you tune up the derailleurs. Both the front and rear need adjusting. I'd advise going to a bike shop but I opted out and put in 10+ hours with the help of RUclips. Ended up fraying a shifter cable but all in all I learned from the experience. The Brakes work well but the front caliper needs adjusting or at least mine did because the rotor was rubbing against the pads. Make sure you swap out the seat, grips, and pedals. For the short run you'll be fine though. I've read that this bike isn't built yet for hard trails but I just need it for the city. PA has some of the worst roads and being in a mountain this was a great choice. Worth the investment!
The meta is such a sick bike, my friend has it and he sends 15 meter gaps on it
Just got myself the Torrent 🤤🤤
How do you like it
YT for lifes 🤙🏼🔥🔥
What brand you recomend for hard tail under $ 2600
I was looking at the SC Highball.
It list at 2700 but I’m sure you can get it cheaper if you catch it on sale.
The problem is is though most shops don’t carry the highball as it’s an almost 3000$ hardtail...
I called about 20 SC dealers and none carried that bike.
Awesome 🍻
imagine this test with the izzo!