Why The SU57 'Felon' Sucks

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  • @KabodaOfficial
    @KabodaOfficial  8 месяцев назад +42

    Thanks for watching! This video seems to have popped off, so if you wouldn't mind checking out my channel it would be hugely appreciated! :)

    • @Matthew-Anthony
      @Matthew-Anthony 8 месяцев назад

      There are now 26 Sukhoi Su-57 Felons, along with 10 test planes.

    • @Rorywizz
      @Rorywizz 8 месяцев назад +4

      I think you made a lot of russian bots unhappy in the comments

    • @unotoli
      @unotoli 7 месяцев назад

      @@Rorywizz do you believe bots got emotions? :)

    • @unotoli
      @unotoli 7 месяцев назад

      Sadly, that's a "double-fail, under 0:30 seconds" video.
      1) who is Tom Clancy (Wikipedia: a novelist, genre: Techno-thrillerspy fiction, crime fiction, realistic fiction, historical fiction)
      2) "replaced by who can detect who first" - stealth does not work for long-range (waves) radars (but there are other benefits, of course).

    • @KabodaOfficial
      @KabodaOfficial  7 месяцев назад +3

      I don’t use Tom Clancy as anything but a way to set the scene, I do it on all my videos if you take a look.
      As for long wavelength radars, you’re trying to debunk stealth’s implementation but it’s those radars are not that simple, and are much more difficult to use for a target lock. In an air to air battle this won’t really change things, both sides use this technology.
      However, if you’re going to be the first detected by said technologies then you’re going to lose. You didn’t debunk any mistake, you just tried to brush off valid criticism with invalid rebuttals.

  • @ashvandal5697
    @ashvandal5697 Год назад +3016

    I’d have to say the 57 is actually pretty darn stealthy considering how no one has ever seen it operate in a combat theatre.

    • @shaamaan
      @shaamaan Год назад +169

      Can hiding in a hangar be considered "stealth"? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    • @hf117j
      @hf117j Год назад +23

      Well yeah. It hasn't exactly been operating in a combat theatre. Allegedly some were damaged or destroyed on the ground though

    • @feedyourmind6713
      @feedyourmind6713 11 месяцев назад +32

      Since Russian isn't busy with wars around the globe, as the US/NATO seem to be, why would you see it in a combat environment?

    • @GrimYak
      @GrimYak 11 месяцев назад +181

      @@feedyourmind6713ehem, Ukraine. Ehem

    • @Optimusprime56241
      @Optimusprime56241 11 месяцев назад

      @@feedyourmind6713 me when I have Alzheimer’s

  • @frostbyte6375
    @frostbyte6375 Год назад +5982

    My congratulations to Sukhoi for designing a formidable answer to the F-15.

    • @jasonjackson1688
      @jasonjackson1688 Год назад +769

      I'm thinking it's still no match for newer F15s with better trained U.S. pilots....

    • @Pablo_lens
      @Pablo_lens Год назад +574

      F15E or EX would stomp

    • @Prodagist
      @Prodagist Год назад +414

      ​@@Pablo_lens I mean it depends on the type of fight they get into, The F-15 is more of a missile truck rather than a intense dogfighter. So if they got into close combat, the Su-57 has the advantage. At long range however, assuming the F-15 detects the Felon, which it probably would, that 57 is going to have 14 AMRAMs coming for its ass

    • @Pablo_lens
      @Pablo_lens Год назад +162

      @@Prodagist Maneuverability is the only thing that's helping the Felon.

    • @elbolainas4174
      @elbolainas4174 Год назад +527

      At long last, the russians are ready for desert storm

  • @IndigenousRealGuy
    @IndigenousRealGuy Год назад +2995

    Top Gun Maverick is the best thing that happened to this plane. It made non-plane nerds think this is the best plane ever made.
    EDIT: Y’all can’t take a joke

    • @000-z8n
      @000-z8n Год назад +131

      You're thinking of the F-14...

    • @IndigenousRealGuy
      @IndigenousRealGuy Год назад +642

      @@000-z8n Nope. The F-14 actually has a combat record. And has proved itself as a good aircraft. Not the SU-57.

    • @tunisiandom9318
      @tunisiandom9318 Год назад

      a movie that made a 5th gen fighter lose to a dynosaur made the Su-57 look like best ever made. how dumb must you be. Also in my comment I proved this idiot youtuber has lied about mostly everything he said.

    • @AzovAzza
      @AzovAzza Год назад +54

      OMG, I blew root beer out of my nose!! @NotPlebis, you nailed it! That’s exactly what happened! 🤦🏻‍♂️😂

    • @definitelyfrank9341
      @definitelyfrank9341 Год назад +66

      Well, two ex US fighter pilots 'reacted' to the final dogfight and deemed it completely unrealistic and impossible.

  • @malloc7108
    @malloc7108 10 месяцев назад +668

    The checkmate is amazingly stealthy, like the aramata: totally invisible on all battlefields for decades to come.

    • @Mase251
      @Mase251 10 месяцев назад +21

      The femboy

    • @worldoftancraft
      @worldoftancraft 9 месяцев назад +9

      Oh, the famous F-22 - the king of air battlefields. And of every battlefield it came to: none with competent adversary. Bravo. Ameryquan sytyzen quan sliip qualmlii!

    • @skrattzerat5831
      @skrattzerat5831 9 месяцев назад +52

      @@worldoftancraft ain't it great how the US has such superiority in fighters that it does not even need to use their best plane to shit on any other airforce.

    • @worldoftancraft
      @worldoftancraft 9 месяцев назад +5

      @@skrattzerat5831 boot muh togzpaiers manii. Or now they are military industry money?
      and yes, if all the conflicts you're engaging in are your controlled chaos in poorer contries - you don't need the higher league hardware. But among respected people it's not an accepted norm to physically assault lower rank personal. But in US it seems it's a norm when senior lieutenant is beating a private.

    • @daveyhansen
      @daveyhansen 9 месяцев назад +23

      I don't recall seeing that while in the army. @@worldoftancraft

  • @fyrep0w3r
    @fyrep0w3r Год назад +2777

    The exposed screws is an enormous problem. Ben Rich describes in his book "Skunkworks" that when they were developing the F-117, it could consistently fly within a few miles of the radars they had access to without being detected until one day they got a clear lock onto the F-117 at more than 50 miles away. An investigation found that an engineer had left three screws partially loose.

    • @MrJahbuddha
      @MrJahbuddha Год назад +95

      That was the photo of the prototype jet. Some of the 8 Su-57 prototypes had exposed screws and rivets, unlike the production model.

    • @TheWizardGamez
      @TheWizardGamez Год назад +321

      @@MrJahbuddha doesnt matter, no S-Duct so its fucked in a frontal engagement

    • @raylopez99
      @raylopez99 Год назад +117

      @@TheWizardGamez Yeah I do recall reading during the Korean War the Mig back then had a high radar cross section because of the in-line engine. the Ruzzians being slow learners, I guess in over 70 years they've not engineered around that problem.

    • @RedXlV
      @RedXlV Год назад +95

      @@MrJahbuddha Fair enough, the (pre-)production Su-57s don't have exposed screws.
      But they still have terrible front-aspect stealth compared to the competition. Even non-stealth 4.5 gen fighters like the Gripen and Rafale do a much better job of hiding their fan blades than the Su-57. Most of the Su-57's other flaws seem like they should be fixable in future upgrades with relatively little difficulty, but the lack of s-ducting is a catastrophically bad design choice that would require much more significant alteration to the airframe to rectify.

    • @pclifton4
      @pclifton4 Год назад +90

      I have that book, it's one of my favorites. The fact they covertly bought Titanium from the Soviet Union to make the SR-71 so they could spy on the Soviet Union is hilarious.

  • @namefinder
    @namefinder Год назад +2129

    This plane is so stealthy, most Russian test pilots haven't seen it yet.

    • @thorodduringo5069
      @thorodduringo5069 Год назад +36

      That’s a good one

    • @N-L3
      @N-L3 Год назад +67

      The plane is so stealthy, that even the largest Russian air bases can't see any coming :D

    • @jackwilliamson6018
      @jackwilliamson6018 Год назад +3

      theres one holding station over the white house right now.

    • @markymarknj
      @markymarknj Год назад +3

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @RevolverOcelot79
      @RevolverOcelot79 Год назад +33

      @@jackwilliamson6018Sure thing kid

  • @Tmccreight25Gaming
    @Tmccreight25Gaming Год назад +608

    F-22: Radar cross-section of a Bee
    SU-57: Radar cross-section the size of an SU-57

    • @russmarasheski7005
      @russmarasheski7005 9 месяцев назад +7

      The Mach 2 Bumblebee-HLC

    • @pinochioo5678
      @pinochioo5678 9 месяцев назад +14

      when was the last time you saw a f22 raptor in a combat you never lol

    • @Tmccreight25Gaming
      @Tmccreight25Gaming 9 месяцев назад +65

      @@pinochioo5678 the reason why you never see any F-22s in combat is because there's no aircraft that requires THAT level of capability to counter. The SU-57, J-10 and J-20 all suck massively when compared to western fighters like the F-22 and to a mildly lesser extent the F-35, Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab Gripen and Dassault Rafale.

    • @Tmccreight25Gaming
      @Tmccreight25Gaming 9 месяцев назад +20

      @@dopecat_truecrime I'll admit, the Gripen is probably the least effective of the fighters I listed above. But I'm more than willing to bet that it can still run rings around anything Russia has in a straight up air-to-air engagement.

    • @liamartinproductions
      @liamartinproductions 9 месяцев назад +25

      ​@@pinochioo5678when was the first time you saw su57 in production numbers? Never

  • @_average_333
    @_average_333 7 месяцев назад +28

    What are these sh*t called F-22, SU-57?
    Im gonna be flying in my 11th gen Cessna 152 😎

    • @AntiAzovIndividual
      @AntiAzovIndividual 7 месяцев назад +6

      Finally, the one comment here that isn’t a war starter on its own and is actually original

  • @davidsherman7868
    @davidsherman7868 Год назад +1132

    Being a former Plane Captain in the U.S. Navy, we spent a lot of time making sure there were no "anomalies" on the canopy. That kind of thing can drive a man(pilot) insane.

    • @zahnatom
      @zahnatom Год назад +27

      if you watch that video, the bubbles seem to be moving soooo maybe its the air conditioning?

    • @zolikoff
      @zolikoff Год назад +35

      @@zahnatom It's some kind of condensation pooling, the only way to mistake it for flaws in the canopy is to only look at a picture. Which is probably how this particular myth started spread around, as an easy "believable" way to make it seem way worse than it really is. Even the cheapest glider canopies don't have freaking bubbles.

    • @katherineberger6329
      @katherineberger6329 Год назад +44

      @@zolikoff No, those are clearly inclusions (bubbles) in the canopy.

    • @jamesmaddison4546
      @jamesmaddison4546 Год назад +13

      ​@@zolikoff Sorry dude but its not, you can clearly tell theyre inclusions within the canopy itself

    • @giantidiot31
      @giantidiot31 Год назад +19

      I'd never seen that picture of the bubbles in the glass before. It made me physically cringe. That's insane! I know Russia has subpar manufacturing standards, but I figured they were at least better than China!

  • @alberthwang2900
    @alberthwang2900 Год назад +1338

    My favorite story about the F-117 is that when they were testing the airframe, they put up a model of the airplane on a pole and tried to detect it on a radar. The first time, the radar operator complained that the model must have fallen off the pole, he couldn't find it at all. One of the Skunk Works engineers went to look: the model was still up on the pole.
    Another time, they were getting an unusually good radar return from the model. When they went to go look, they found a bird sitting on the model.

    • @icecold9511
      @icecold9511 Год назад +66

      Actually, I believe they were shocked when the model took flight.

    • @anytuna
      @anytuna Год назад +34

      i believe that they didnt believe that it would fly, but after they seen the rcs, they said that they would 'make it fly'.

    • @FloridaManMatty
      @FloridaManMatty Год назад +81

      The engineers and program managers were finally sold on the F-117’s capabilities Re: low observability in the real world (vs on paper) when they kept finding dead bats laying around on the floors of the -117 hangars.
      The bat’s use of echo location to “see” was rendered completely useless and the poor things kept flying full speed head first into the parked airplanes and dying from head trauma.

    • @michelgivord4516
      @michelgivord4516 Год назад +9

      All these top experts here...outstanding

    • @project-gladiator
      @project-gladiator Год назад +10

      The first time they meassured the RCS, it wasn't anything from the other world or anhthing. In the end, it was the pole they put the plane in.

  • @skyborne80
    @skyborne80 Год назад +941

    If the definition of stealth is not being visible, then the SU57 is a success. There's so few of them; you can't see what's not there in the first place.

    • @yanzn5926
      @yanzn5926 Год назад +13

      indeed, its a myth.

    • @Spartan1-1
      @Spartan1-1 Год назад +4

      any stealth jet can be visible on radar

    • @barahng
      @barahng Год назад +27

      @@Spartan1-1 Well yes but obviously there is a gradient. That's the entire point of the video. It's not just a binary of "enemy has radar therefore stealth is now rendered uselesS". The Su-57 *is* stealthy, if it was being put up against radars from 40 years ago. The F-35 is stealthy against even the best radar systems.

    • @hrsmp
      @hrsmp Год назад +1

      Open your eyes, there's footage of multiple Su 57 in the video you've watched.

    • @skyborne80
      @skyborne80 Год назад +7

      It's called sarcasm...

  • @m3017co
    @m3017co 11 месяцев назад +195

    I'm starting to think the reason that we call it the felon is because the people who built it were criminally negligent

  • @vasilzahariev5741
    @vasilzahariev5741 Год назад +729

    There is a meme about calling the Su-75 "Femboy" instead of "Checkmate".

    • @KabodaOfficial
      @KabodaOfficial  Год назад +441

      If that doesn't become the official NATO designation then I'm writing an angry letter.

    • @moritamikamikara3879
      @moritamikamikara3879 Год назад +2

      @@KabodaOfficial Just call it the Femboy. Ignore the NATO designation that they give.

    • @spxram4793
      @spxram4793 Год назад

      @@KabodaOfficial 😜yeah Femboy would fit perfectly with their anti-LGBTIQ(XLHDUO) crusade.

    • @WinVisten
      @WinVisten Год назад +139

      LazerPig came up with that, right?

    • @Shinobubu
      @Shinobubu Год назад +67

      @@WinVisten YES lol

  • @Dcook85
    @Dcook85 Год назад +1111

    The thing is, Russia is still trying to catch up to the US when it developed the very first F-35 prototype. Not only has the US built hundreds of them, they've been receiving and will continue to receive massive upgrades in tech and capability. Even if Russia produced the Felon in any serious quantity, it's already last gen compared to the current state of the F-35.

    • @thelovacluka
      @thelovacluka Год назад +211

      ​@duimpjeneerRussia is almost One generation behind. when did F22 come out?

    • @thelovacluka
      @thelovacluka Год назад +211

      @duimpjeneer umm, no, they haven't had the need to use f22. expensive? yes, but that's not the reason why they didn't use it. no, they don't sell it to anyone. it's their right to do so. it's the most advanced technology. some of it, st least. it's getting old now. just shows you how far ahead are the Americans.

    • @deaconvelos8352
      @deaconvelos8352 Год назад +1

      ​@Aku you're right, we haven't used the F-22 in combat. Why you ask? 2 reasons, 1 we never had to because the war it was built for never happened, and 2 all you commie bastards are afraid of it, running for home whenever one shows up. The F-35 continues that legacy and is being used by everyone who isn't a communist dictator

    • @thedausthed
      @thedausthed Год назад +113

      @Aku The F-35 is a US plane, other countries justed helped fund the project and some of them want their planes built in there country

    • @_Epsilon_
      @_Epsilon_ Год назад +26

      F-35 is a lame duck. How many F-35s are flyworthy and issues free? None (!) of them are issues free and majority aren't flyworthy. As for F-22, they can't wait to retire it. Su-57 has combat record shooting down 4th gen fighters in Ukraine from hundreds kilometers away with R-37 missile. Do F-22 and F-35 have combat record? They don't (not counting baloons).
      _Even if Russia produced the Felon in any serious quantity,_
      Russia can produce cruise missiles be them supersonic or hypersonic ones that can destroy majority of F-35s on air-fields, then those F-35s that have survived would have to face Russia's superior air-defence that can see stealth with L-band radars from very far. Su-57 isn't even that necessary here. All Russia's fighter-jets will have targeting data from ground radars and will fire at F-35s that survived cruise missiles on the ground.
      _it's already last gen compared to the current state of the F-35._
      Dude, F-35 can't even fly supersonically for prolonged time. It is slow and is relativelly poorly armed.

  • @H3ntaig33K
    @H3ntaig33K Год назад +945

    The SU57 is so stealthy most of them exist in another universe.

    • @InitiateDee
      @InitiateDee Год назад +113

      the Su-57 is so stealthy you'll never even see it in combat!
      (because Russia is crippingly afraid of losing even a single one)

    • @lemieux-z8933
      @lemieux-z8933 Год назад +4

      @@InitiateDee yet can use T-90Ms... What sense does that make?

    • @InitiateDee
      @InitiateDee Год назад +19

      @@lemieux-z8933 They use Su-57s too, just in such roles that don't compromise the aircraft whatsoever

    • @NoTraceOfSense
      @NoTraceOfSense Год назад +30

      All of them are stuck in strangereal

    • @TheSiriusEnigma
      @TheSiriusEnigma Год назад +5

      Like the original F-35. The ones built have their specs revised down, several times. Lockheed Martin has been lying about the F-35 because the plane was sold before it was produced to several countries (so much for stealth). It failed all of its trials, and had to take new watered down trials. The only thing that is unique is the F-35B. It has no equals.

  • @cherrypepsi2815
    @cherrypepsi2815 10 месяцев назад +110

    The old saying "never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake" comes to mind

    • @miriamweller812
      @miriamweller812 10 месяцев назад

      You mean the delusion of such videos? True. No wonder US fascism loses against rice farmer and goat herders. Imagine they would fight an actual army...

    • @snapdragon5481
      @snapdragon5481 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@miriamweller812but russians too got defeted by talibans (guerrilla fhiters)

  • @CrackyCreates
    @CrackyCreates Год назад +251

    step 1: eastern countries claim to have the best jet ever made
    step 2: western militaries go bonkers and spend 7 quinshittion dollars on a gen 69420 child vaporizer jet
    step 3: eastern countries want to save face, claim to have the best jet ever made
    repeat

    • @lordbrain8867
      @lordbrain8867 Год назад +81

      step 2.5: Third world countries buy eastern jets that get deleted in the first conflict they're in

    • @niggalini
      @niggalini Год назад

      @@lordbrain8867 1973 in Egypt was the Soviet Air Force's equivalent experience to what the USAF faced in 1968 in Vietnam. Even though Soviet involvement in Egypt was far less than America's in Vietnam, the Soviet pilots attached to the Egyptian air force there faced similar problems, especially since the Soviets had initially blamed Egyptian pilots for being the weak link in the fight against the Israeli AF.

    • @kingtigertheheavy2708
      @kingtigertheheavy2708 Год назад +17

      Common and classic Eastern L

    • @foxmcld584
      @foxmcld584 Год назад +10

      Strategy works economically, somewhat less successful when you actually need combat sorties. XD

    • @SRDPS2
      @SRDPS2 Год назад +9

      extra step : eastern country update 2 never deploy something they claim it's best keep loss to 0

  • @keithallver2450
    @keithallver2450 Год назад +504

    It may suck as a stealth fighter but it makes for a great-looking acrobatic plane.

    • @KabodaOfficial
      @KabodaOfficial  Год назад +219

      That is one thing I'll give it - however the engines are a bit of a let down aesthetically.
      I don't think anything compares to the F-22 though, that's just beautiful.

    • @tanostrelok2323
      @tanostrelok2323 Год назад +49

      tbh Su-47 is a better choice if you want an aircraft to look pretty

    • @kimchi2780
      @kimchi2780 Год назад +84

      Russian planes in a nutshell. Look amazing and do Cobra's. Thats it.

    • @grah55
      @grah55 Год назад +17

      @@KabodaOfficial I think if you look harder, you'll find information about the Su-57's implementation of radar blocking for the intakes. I hate Russia with a passion but at the same time, I like being accurate and this video is somewhat misleading on it's core point.

    • @spxram4793
      @spxram4793 Год назад +18

      Agree. It has been designed and built only for propaganda - flight characteristics are impressive, which makes it the perfect airshow participator. And that was it. To participate on airshows, including the one on Red Square once a year, 10 aircraft are sufficient.
      Probably, at some point Red Bull will buy all of them for a penny for their fleet in Salzburg 🤣then they can showcase F-4U vs SU-57 dogfights 😏

  • @kaylamarie8309
    @kaylamarie8309 Год назад +780

    Sad that such a beautiful jet is basically obsolete right off of the production line. They will never have enough of them in service either. Nonetheless, she is gorgeous!

    • @russellk.bonney8534
      @russellk.bonney8534 Год назад +2

      They evolved it into the SU35. Be afraid. Be very afraid

    • @kaylamarie8309
      @kaylamarie8309 Год назад

      @Russell K. Bonney I'd be more afraid of a potential exchange of nukes. Russia knows its not winning a conventional war with us, so they threaten to use nukes. I don't think it's an empty threat either.

    • @toninhosoldierhelmet4033
      @toninhosoldierhelmet4033 Год назад +99

      @@russellk.bonney8534 wait but ins't the bigger serial number supposed to be better? wtf

    • @russellk.bonney8534
      @russellk.bonney8534 Год назад +1

      @@toninhosoldierhelmet4033 wtf??

    • @toninhosoldierhelmet4033
      @toninhosoldierhelmet4033 Год назад +42

      @@russellk.bonney8534 what this is confusing, how is the older thing better than the new thing, thats not how you make fighter aircraft, i dont even know if the SU35 came before or after the SU57, whats going on here?

  • @gregerlandson7193
    @gregerlandson7193 11 месяцев назад +63

    One addition about effective radar range:
    For F35 vs SU57, its even more extreme in practice that the 6-10x distance you mentioned. Lets say its 8x for math simplicity.
    Because of the geometry of circles and spheres, the same radar station covers the 8^2=64 times more ground area and 8^3=512 times more airspace against a SU57 vs the F35.

    • @lostalone9320
      @lostalone9320 11 месяцев назад +1

      It's even more pronounced in terms of the 3D space covered.

    • @alexantone5532
      @alexantone5532 8 месяцев назад

      @@lostalone9320don’t think you’ll ever be flying more than 27000 meters above a radar instillation lol

    • @dulguunjargal1199
      @dulguunjargal1199 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@alexantone5532It does eventually matter in 2070 when 1st Gen Space fighters begin flying around

  • @rofibhoi9788
    @rofibhoi9788 Год назад +337

    Another huge issue the Felon has is the fact that it would be carrying a super light arsenal just to remain partially stealthy. Even if it scratches stealth completely and carries weapons externally, it would be at a huge disadvantage against the 4th gen missile truck fighters.

    • @ballisticmenace8091
      @ballisticmenace8091 Год назад

      That's the case for all stealth fighters

    • @lwgrazi
      @lwgrazi Год назад +55

      @@ballisticmenace8091 Not exactly, the F-22 can carry 6, and the F-35 can carry (internally) 4, with option for external stores.

    • @rofibhoi9788
      @rofibhoi9788 Год назад +69

      @@ballisticmenace8091 Except, the F-35 and F-22 don't sacrifice having a heavy arsenal for the sake of semi stealth. They can achieve a very high degree of stealth.

    • @ballisticmenace8091
      @ballisticmenace8091 Год назад +1

      The su-57 carry the 6 r-77s and 2 r-74 internally. So it's even with the air to air payload of an f-22

    • @rofibhoi9788
      @rofibhoi9788 Год назад +37

      @@ballisticmenace8091 Yup, and that is a small payload for both planes.
      However, it's worth it to carry a small payload when you are in an F-22 coz you can now achieve a high degree of stealth.
      But a Felon would never achieve a high degree of stealth. So now, it's carrying a light arsenal AND not being very stealthy.
      And if I'm not mistaking, Felons can carry 4+2 missiles NOT 6+2.

  • @PlugInRides
    @PlugInRides Год назад +460

    In the F-22 and F-35, different radar scattering materials are used in their canopies to obscure the pilot's helmet return. In order to reduce the radar cross section (RCS) of the aircraft, the F22 canopies are coated with a thin layer of Indium Tin Oxide (ITO), which gives it a golden tint. The newer F-35 uses a different materials technology that causes its canopy to appear rose or purple tinted.

    • @Frencho9
      @Frencho9 Год назад +14

      Yup Rafale also uses Indium Tin Oxide hence gold hue on the canopy.

    • @hugo-di6xm
      @hugo-di6xm Год назад +5

      F35 is a scam😂

    • @PlugInRides
      @PlugInRides Год назад

      @@hugo-di6xm A "scam" that has produced 960+ aircraft, out of an eventual 3,100+ 5th Gen stealth fighters. A "scam" that has allowed Japan and other countries to field aircraft carriers with modern air wings. A "scam" with the most advanced avionics and sensors of any operational fighter in the world, one that acts like a mini AWACS. A "scam" that has high exercise kill ratios against the most advanced 4+ Gen fighters, like the Typhoon, Rafale, F-15C, FA-18E and Su-30?

    • @koriander.k7377
      @koriander.k7377 Год назад

      ​@@hugo-di6xmand Russia is a joke

    • @dashikashi4734
      @dashikashi4734 Год назад +91

      @@hugo-di6xm The Russian MIC is a scam, judging from their terrible performance in modern combat lmao

  • @KartikPlays
    @KartikPlays Год назад +283

    The Su-57 Felon kinda sounds like the MiG-25 Foxbat. Felon doesn’t have a small radar cross section, it’s engines are exposed to radar, its infrared tracking system is the old dome shaped thing, its rivets are visible. The Foxbat had these enormous wings just to get it airborne, the engines couldn’t sustain Mach 3 speeds for long periods of time unlike the Blackbird. The Foxbat was kinda manufactured in a hurry and the Felon also sounds like it was manufactured in a hurry.

    • @Relayer6a
      @Relayer6a Год назад +12

      And the engines apparently overheat.

    • @Mattoropael
      @Mattoropael Год назад +91

      To be fair to the MiG-25, it was designed for a specific purpose (high-speed interception) that was misunderstood by Western intelligence, and subsequently hyped up by the West as a superweapon for a role that it was never intended to serve. It was also somewhat competent in its designed role and was able to be salvaged into the more refined MiG-31 design.
      Meanwhile, the Su-57 is hyped up for the exact thing it was supposed to be, which it can't live up to, and most likely never will.

    • @KartikPlays
      @KartikPlays Год назад +27

      @@Mattoropael I respectfully agree with your opinion.

    • @Relayer6a
      @Relayer6a Год назад

      @@Mattoropael The US military likes to hype up the Russian military's equipment. It makes it easier to get more money for their own budget.
      You don't have to look any further than Ukraine to see the capability of the Russian military on full display. They're still conducting trench warfare and their equipment sucks.

    • @cdudeNYR
      @cdudeNYR Год назад +7

      That's an understatement. Just a few seconds at Mach 3 and the Foxbat needed brand new engines 😭💀

  • @m4rt1n66
    @m4rt1n66 10 месяцев назад +99

    The SU57 is like the guy with the sword from Indiana Jones

    • @wellardme
      @wellardme 9 месяцев назад +9

      And most American equipment is like the people: obsolete, oversized, overhyped, hated and useless. I heard some Abrams provided some much needed fire kindle.

    • @bias0437
      @bias0437 9 месяцев назад +11

      ​@@wellardmeUseless and hated is a stretch.

    • @Kaesemesser0815
      @Kaesemesser0815 9 месяцев назад +23

      @@wellardme so much cope, lol

    • @Niever
      @Niever 9 месяцев назад

      Telling everyone they chose poorly? Or living since the crusades? Which would mean the SU-57 would last hundreds of years.

    • @jb76489
      @jb76489 9 месяцев назад +5

      @@wellardme lmao the cope is real

  • @oscarbarragan6675
    @oscarbarragan6675 Год назад +246

    The Felon in my opinion looks really cool. I just like the look of the thing. It might be obsolete already but it's still cool to look at.

    • @GabrielAlejandroZorrilla
      @GabrielAlejandroZorrilla Год назад

      Well, almost anything produced by the CCCP and then Russia is propaganda first. So yes, it looks cool but they cannot maintain, cannot secure its operational airspace to be effective, do not have enough pilot training hours. etc. etc. So its good for Americans to keep doing movies where Russia is the enemy and the military industry to point fingers when asking for more money.

    • @arfhtg
      @arfhtg Год назад +8

      true

    • @desperatepsycho
      @desperatepsycho Год назад +67

      I'm like 90% sure the 57 is just a purpose built airshow machine

    • @oscarbarragan6675
      @oscarbarragan6675 Год назад +16

      @Desperate Psycho they did let it fly like a mile into Ukraine and then ran like hell sooo they can technically say its seen combat

    • @SPFLDAngler
      @SPFLDAngler Год назад +14

      It just looks like a squished F-22 mixed with a SU-35

  • @1Kusari
    @1Kusari Год назад +311

    The F117 was actually shot down by simple luck. Zoltan Dani, the commander of the Neva missile battery said he got extremely lucky and couldn't do it again even if his life depended on it.
    A lot of things went into the downing of the F117. First up until now the F117s were escorted by EA-6B prowlers which could jam radars. Because of the repeated success, the decision was made to stop jamming enemy radar using electronic warfare. Zoltan's missile battery was moved to cover an area near another sam site (S-75 Dvina). His positioning there was actually random and only done because it was one of the predetermined available locations. That location survived solely because was inactive up to this point in the war. Had the radar been activated, it would have been destroyed by coalition forces earlier in the week. This radar (P-18) was an older radar belonging to a decommissioned SAM system. It's target acquisition radar has a max range of 250km for a F-15 instead of the 120km range of the P-15 radar. If Colonel Dani did not have the unique opportunity of using a P-18 than he would have never detected the F117 to begin with. He was the only one with access to a P-18 that night. The other locations were using the P-15.
    The luck part begins with which SAM sites were active at the time the F117 was downed. The government was more concerned with preserving assets rather than shooting down planes. Therefore, only some of the deployed sam sites were considered "on alert" while the others had strict orders not to activate radar or engage the enemy. One of the sam sites on alert was Colonel Dani's. At the time the F117s bombed Belgrade, only 2 SAM sites remained. Because there were no EA-6B escorts jamming the P-18, it could detect the F117s. It could detect them because they were only 23km away. While the F117 has a system that can operate as a radar warning receiver, it does not function while on a strike mission as it increases RCS. This is not a common problem among newer generations of stealth fighters. Had the pilots detected a radar or if they had their EA-6B escort than they would have dropped to below 6km, making the P-18 useless for detection.
    This is the important part. The P-18 target acquisition radar could detect the F117s, but the fire control radar could not. The F117s flew incredibly close to the sam site because they were unaware it was still active. The detection range had a max of 14km and the engagement range had a minimum of 8km. Therefore, the plane had to fly within a 5km corridor near the sam site (between 8 and 14km away) for a minimum of 90 seconds. Had the F117 turned just 1 degree to the left when leaving Belgrade, than it would have never been detected by the fire control radar. Which means, Colonel Dani's only option was to wave as it flew away. Alternatively, if the pilots dropped below 6km, left the engagement corridor (in either direction) or went defensive than the missile would have lost contact. One missile did lose contact and crash because of how difficult the F117 was to track.
    This would be like jumping out of a plane over the ocean and landing within feet of a shark as it was hunting.
    This part is to dispel the myths related to the downing of the F117:
    Opening the weapon bay only reduces the RCS for the few seconds it is open. This is not enough time to acquire a plotting solution, fire and make contact with the plane. The moment the bay closed it would have reduced the RCS and the missile would have lost contact again.
    Another Myth was Colonel Dani "changed the radar frequency" and improved the range. This was disproved by Colonel Dani himself. He stated he made no changes to the fire control radar and very minor changes to the target acquisition radar.

    • @KabodaOfficial
      @KabodaOfficial  Год назад +80

      Brilliant write up, thank you for taking the time to type this.

    • @Theover4000
      @Theover4000 Год назад +22

      @@KabodaOfficial agreed. It's well written, and informative!

    • @vladimird8541
      @vladimird8541 Год назад +38

      @1Kusari Here are some facts that you missed and misinterpreted:
      - The reason why Zelko's F117 was downed lies in the complacency and bad planning on behalf of the USAF. And then in part of the skills and good fortune of the Serbian SAM unit.
      - EA6B's didn't fly that night cause of the bad weather. EA6B's were paired with F117 because the planners were aware that F117 is not as stealthy as advertised (hence it could
      be "seen" with P18's different wavelengths). In Iraq war i.e., USAF flew without the EA6B's or F111's.
      - Serbian intelligence had timely information on F117 takeoffs from Aviano (that's why it was later decided to move them to Germany)
      - There is no such thing as a random deployment of the SAM battery during wartime - especially when you're a primary target of a 1000 jets lurking above you
      - No, the radar's been active but in the "combat" mode. The battery was operational throughout the war. It survived the 78-day day war unscathed.
      - Col.Dani knew what HARM is capable of from Iraq and Bosnia. Iraqis lit up the radars and it was game over in a week. Plus, the Serbs were expecting an invasion so they were conserving assets.
      - Col.Dani was studying how to bring down the stealth aircraft. That's why he made changes to his radar in advance. In one of his interviews, he said he observed (multiple times in fact) the radar returns of a stealth jet in the designated flight corridor, but not sure which stealth jet is flying out there (F117/B2).
      - No, the first missile's proximity fuse didn't go off because the F117 was hard to track. The system was simply too old, and luckily, it was a common glitch.
      - There was a confirmed 2nd and 3rd hit of F117 a month after Zelko was shot down. The second hit was confirmed two years ago, by the pilot Charlie "Tuna" Heinlein.
      In both incidents, SAM commanders and their crews worked with Col.Dani. This fact alone means that the F117 is not so stealthy after all. Since it was repeatedly taken down by well trained SAM crews and obsolete Soviet era equipment, USAF never flew them after the campaign in Serbia in 1999.
      -Fun fact, pilot Dave Zelko and Col.Zoltan Dani became good friends after the war. Dani said he had several job offers to work as a military consultant. Instead, he decided to stay in his hometown and open a bakery.

    • @titanproductions3628
      @titanproductions3628 Год назад

      @@KabodaOfficial lots of cold war regurgitation content your posting here, Russia and China are actively pursuing and in RND stages for Quantum radars, making stealth absolete, the doctrine of Russia is to he a ground power while maintaining a the best air defense systems, f-22 can't take on s-500 and s-550, Russia is said to have the best EW as seen in the Ukraine conflict, the only reason Russia is even in the stealth scene is because they just want to compete, they can't be seen as the only superpower that doesnt have a stealth program where as China and the U.S have one, f-117 was shot down using 50s air defense systems, and the arm chair generals in the comments giving their excuses on why it was shot down, but nonetheless do better with your content enough of this cold was mentality.

    • @igorradosavljevic5265
      @igorradosavljevic5265 Год назад +7

      You can write novels that we will read for decades! The fact remains "The Spirit of Missouri B2, and the F117" are worth billions of dollars, and they smoked a cheap rocket, they were shot down by the owner of a bakery. One fell in the Spacvan Forest on the very border of Croatia, and the other in the village of Budjanvci in Serbia. It will hurt you as long as you're alive, and I hope that NATO members will also feel what it's like to be bombed.

  • @Patton1944
    @Patton1944 Год назад +178

    I like how the video was generally pretty professional throughout, with technical language and discussion of hardware specs, and then he just pops off at the bubbles in the cockpit part.

    • @bla2030
      @bla2030 Год назад +4

      Indeed. To be honest, you kind lost me there.

    • @TohaBgood2
      @TohaBgood2 Год назад +39

      Because that's where this whole charade of "technological superiority" completely falls apart. I mean, come on! They can't even produce a canopy for their show models? What are we even talking about here? How cash-strapped is this operation?

    • @JohnWilliamNowak
      @JohnWilliamNowak Год назад +16

      It's a little hard not to, since bubbles mean the build quality on the SU57 canopy is lower than the caanopy of a gondola on the London Eye.

    • @Max-hw7xl
      @Max-hw7xl 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@TohaBgood2 Russian paper tiger was actually half eaten squash and russian bear was old potato

  • @Xyler94
    @Xyler94 11 месяцев назад +94

    You know, one thing I can say positive about the SU57 is that it does look really good as a fighter. Like, looks good, visually.
    I like fighter jets, they're amazing flying things. I think currently the F-22 takes my favourite spot at the moment, but that's nothing to say of the good looks of the SU57

    • @zelkuta
      @zelkuta 9 месяцев назад +3

      The pod sticking out it's tail is really faken ugly though. Reminds me of a roach carrying an egg sack.

    • @anousenic
      @anousenic 9 месяцев назад

      @@zelkuta I guess one gets used to that.
      You know, when I first saw the F-16 (as a young person), I found it ugly.
      Because I was so used to only seeing twin-engine jets, that a jet with just one engine looked so weird and wrong to me.
      Eventually I got used to it and could appreciate the Viper for the beautiful marvel that it is :)

    • @julianfell666
      @julianfell666 9 месяцев назад

      There seems to be a bit of F23 in the design of the Su 57.

    • @塔羅星
      @塔羅星 9 месяцев назад

      If this logic work, J - 20 will be the most powerful one.

    • @Calamity5
      @Calamity5 7 месяцев назад

      @@julianfell666 except if i recall the US rejected the 23 because it was too expensive, even tho it was stealthier and faster than the F 22. McDonnel Douglas manages to make some of the best military equipment out there (F 15, F 23, Apache helicopter)

  • @erictaylor5462
    @erictaylor5462 Год назад +200

    It has been about who can detect who first since the earliest days of aerial combat. It's why you attack from the sun, or from behind. You want to see your enemy from as far away as possible and delay him seeing you as long as possible.
    You're enemy can't counter attack if the first clue he has that you are there is his aircraft disintegrating from the effects of your weapons.

    • @Matu1
      @Matu1 Год назад +4

      Your*

    • @alensezz4372
      @alensezz4372 Год назад +1

      fair point. now its all just stoopid ranges tho lol

    • @RX0_GundamUnicorn
      @RX0_GundamUnicorn Год назад

      I am no soldier or pilot but I have experiences with this on CoDM because my hardware is so old that I have to close the distance to basically point blank to even see the enemy on a *FLAT* surface with *NO* visual obstructions

    • @RX0_GundamUnicorn
      @RX0_GundamUnicorn Год назад +1

      @@eskeline quite the contrary, I adapted and instead I rely on AUDIO cues before the visual cues pop up because the audio cues appear first

    • @origintrackz5235
      @origintrackz5235 Год назад +6

      ​@@alensezz4372Exactly, these planes will never even see each other. And if they are dog fighting, something went seriously wrong 😂

  • @fockewulf656
    @fockewulf656 Год назад +148

    The conclusion I have drawn so far about the SU-57 is that it was meant to impress potential buyers like India and bring in extra funds for the design to be improved.
    As shown by the massive budget overruns of the F-35, designing a concept is far less expensive than actually refining and upgrading it to full operational capability.
    India backed out and Russia was left with less than a dozen prototypes and no money to further improve the design.

    • @Schnittertm1
      @Schnittertm1 Год назад +32

      Even with the cost overruns of the F-35 project, since they've achieved full rate production now, each new fighter built means a reduction in production cost. The F-35 is now close to some other modern 4.5th gen fighters in price.

    • @SurmaSampo
      @SurmaSampo Год назад +2

      @@Schnittertm1 Shame we here in Australia decided to help fund the development project resulting the the highest unit price for the aircraft. Gotta pay our protection money I suppose.

    • @SurmaSampo
      @SurmaSampo Год назад +1

      Yeah, it is amazing how much better the engineering is when you have an unlimited budget ;-)

    • @Swan_River_Cowboy
      @Swan_River_Cowboy Год назад

      @@SurmaSampo ay remember we are the Americans bitch

    • @TheMaratrix
      @TheMaratrix Год назад

      Many potential buyers of Russian aircraft are in risk of facing sanctions from the US and their NATO allies, this is why India cancelled the deal

  • @XerrolAvengerII
    @XerrolAvengerII Год назад +156

    the primary advantage of stealth coatings is that it is optimized against weapon radar to make aircraft difficult to lock, even after detected by long wave radar

    • @thrustvectoring8120
      @thrustvectoring8120 Год назад +7

      yep. Not only RAM, but the whole RCS thing is for K-band radar that provides firing solution. The aircraft can be detectable by other wavelengths but you need the fire control radar. He is talking out of his ass in this video, you can see it on his comparison of IRST (which is designed to look for enemy aircraft) and EOTS (which is designed to guide bombs). He is confusing distributed aperture infrared search and track system and EOTS (although they are integrated, they have different purpose - obviously, you will be what, flying belly up to search for an enemy stealth fighter up above you while in a notch or just flying low to reduce enemy's missile range?)

    • @SpencerBaum
      @SpencerBaum Год назад

      ​@@thrustvectoring8120on Lockheeds website it says "The Electro-Optical Targeting System (EOTS) for the F-35 Lightning II is an affordable, high-performance, lightweight, multi-function system that provides precision air-to-air and air-to-surface targeting capability."
      Seems to me like the EOTS can do both air to air and air to ground

    • @mashavasiliuk3648
      @mashavasiliuk3648 11 месяцев назад

      Старая песня самолётов у нас нет ракеты и снаряды закончились ЭТО хорошо что вы так думаете и не до оцениваите противника .

    • @VEC7ORlt
      @VEC7ORlt 10 месяцев назад

      Пупсик, 1000 ф35 против дюжины 57? Вынь путьку изо рта, а то думать мешает.

    • @sparkzbarca
      @sparkzbarca 9 месяцев назад +1

      Well yes and no. The B2/21have stealth coatings and those are as I understand it true stealth aircraft (invisible even to low frequency search)
      My understanding is the primary difference between having a no track fighter and a no detect bomber is the decision to include the vertical tail pieces.
      The f117 and b1 was just no track because of this while the B2 and our new raider are no detect because of how important the tail loss is to reducing radar bounces. This is actually why the f35 has the two tilt vertical tails because they are better at reducing radar cross section than a straight up and down tail.
      This does however greatly reduce the aircrafts mobility which is why it's not done in fighters.
      at least not yet.
      The new NGAD Next Gen Air Dominance renderings that have been released by the military seem to indicate an aircraft that does not include any tail assembly.
      But then the NGAD seems almost more of a f22 replacement than a f35 with only a could hundred expected at full strength though they will have the AI wingman drones but even then 200 will leave many bases without any squadrons of NGADs at all.
      So the US will still be relying on f35 for decades to come as it's primary air frame.
      Hopefully though they do aquire a decent number of the new f15.
      The f35 is honestly too expensive to use for homeland defense missions like just intercepting routine Russian bomber flights and in a non near peer conflict the f15 is awesome for the amount of firepower it can carry. It's also nice this way as a stand off weapons platform.
      NGAD or F22 or B21 penetrates and locates enemy aircraft or SAM sites and the f15 piggy backs the track to launch attacks from 500 miles away with some of the newer very long range missiles.

  • @Toostew
    @Toostew 9 месяцев назад +11

    One thing I really like doing is opening videos critical of russia in any way and sort the comments by new. Love seeing tankies seethe and cope lmao

  • @revolverDOOMGUY
    @revolverDOOMGUY Год назад +49

    Just to put things into context:
    Italy, the country where i live, will soon complete the aquisition program for 90 F35. This means that Italy, alone, would be capable of winning the air campaign against Russia in a conventional conflict. By 2030 a coalition between Poland, Finland, France, the Uk and Italy would curb stomp Russia so hard it would not have a single operative military vheicle at the end.

    • @duhni4551
      @duhni4551 Год назад +2

      It is not that simple, there are other air defenses than jets. Also F-35 is only as good as pilot flying it.

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 Год назад +13

      @@duhni4551 A new pilot who has maybe done one season of squadron work-ups is immensely-more deadly than the best pilot in an Su-57. There are certain barriers that can’t be crossed with pilot skill, and this is more true with the 5th Generation revolution than any other time in air combat history.

    • @duhni4551
      @duhni4551 Год назад +1

      @@LRRPFco52 As i said, air defenses are more than just the jets, which brings us back to the pilot.

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 Год назад +12

      @@duhni4551 Which brings us back to the fused and interleaved sensor network with the living threat library, and every single IADS node on the ground, air, sea, and space indicated with TGT designate boxes in the HMDS, and threat sensor/WEZ bubbles displayed on the PCD.
      This brings us back to my initial response, where the new pilot with less than a year in his/her squadron is immensely-more lethal and survivable than the best Wild Weasel crew that ever lived in legacy platforms.

    • @duhni4551
      @duhni4551 Год назад

      @@LRRPFco52 You completely miss the point, more there are "moving parts" more there are room for errors, less you have experience more likely you are to make those errors and so on, you get nervous from the mistake you make and make more of them, you get my drift. One error costs you your life when you fly against a pro, no matter what your plane is.

  • @WynnofThule
    @WynnofThule Год назад +84

    Finally, someone calling the F-117 a stealth bomber. I mean I'd personally use like "stealth attacker" or something but still, yes!

    • @JCDFlex
      @JCDFlex Год назад +14

      The reason the F-117 got the F-designation was because a 4-star general was concerned that the top-notch fighter pilots of the time wouldn't be very enthusiastic about flying a bomber ot attacker.

    • @linkedhashmap
      @linkedhashmap Год назад

      F-117 is a stealth armor

    • @michaelandcolinspop
      @michaelandcolinspop Год назад +3

      @@JCDFlexWhile that may or may not be true, the Nighthawk was also preemptively given an F designation while it was still unacknowledged so as not to count against bomber forces in strategic treaty negotiations once its existence was revealed.

    • @James-lz6eh
      @James-lz6eh Год назад +3

      Shouls have been called a "concealed carry bomber" or "pocket bomber"

    • @valkyrie321
      @valkyrie321 Год назад +1

      Robert Donaldson, a former pilot of the aircraft on the Fighter Pilot Podcast states that the aircraft was capable of holding just about anything in the USAF arsenal, including air-to-air missiles short of the aircraft radar guided sparrow missile, and had a potential role of being used against AWACS type platforms. This is why it got the F designation.

  • @andrewdavies3584
    @andrewdavies3584 Год назад +6

    You do not even know about the full capabilities of the SU-57 dude, so how can you make a conclusion? Did you mention the wing leading edge S band array that can detect low rcs/ stealth at much greater range? No. Because you didn't know about it. That is just one of many systems you have not mentioned or know of in this presentation.

    • @badrex2013
      @badrex2013 Год назад

      doesnt matter if its detected by a F35 from 20 miles out and gets dropped without ever seeing the F35

    • @Cody38Super
      @Cody38Super 3 месяца назад

      Because an S-band array is either emitting S-band(making itself much more visible) or only a passive receiving array....THAT NO AMERICAN AIRCRAFT JUST RUNS AROUND SLINGING ALL OVER THE PLACE TO DETECT!! AND ! AND ! India and China have already publicly testified the reason they wanted nothing to do with it is because it has nothing Russia claims and the few things it does have....DO NOT WORK! Not to mention, no matter what is "designed" or what it says on paper....its made in Russia, by Russians.....that means it's absolute garbage! Look at the bubbles in the canopy! Look at the header bow on the canopy, there's a huge straight metal bow and a two piece line where the two meet! Ever notice on the American planes...the whole canopy is one piece!!! Ever wondered why production is low.....because ALL OF THE PARTS IN IT COME FROM AMERICA OR EUROPE ! !Which means it's all consumer grade electronics!! Why does it's engines have a service life of 2k-4k hours replacement.....and the Raptors 12k-15k ? Tell me why is it neither Pootie-Pooor or Xi can build 1 single plane as good as a Raptor...that's 27 years old!?!?!? The F-35 can command and control(that means target and fire on that target) using the HIMARS Missile System, Patriot Missile System, AEGIS Missile System on board our Navy ships, AEGIS Ashore Land Based Version and the THAAD Missile System and can hit targets on the ground, at sea and air born....not on paper...HAS ALREADY DONE IT IN REAL LIFE ! The 35 can also target anything within 360⁰ of the aircraft by looking through the aircraft, lock on to it and fire on it even if it is directly behind it! That's right, the Aim-9x's are able to 180⁰ impact a target. It also carries 4-8 deployable electronic decoys that jamb, spoof and over amplify it's own signal to take on for the team if all other measures have failed....does the 57 do any of that...?...Russia ain't saying and Indi and China would have bought a thousand if it could do one of those things!!! IT'S NOT ON OUR LEVEL, THEY ARE NOT ON OUR LEVEL, NEVER HAVE BEEN, NEVER WILL BE! NAME ONE OF THEIR WEAPON SYSTEMS THAT WORKS AS ADVERTISED AND I'LL SHOW YOU SOMEONE WHO IS LYING. Ask yourself this...why did China not only turn it down, but go through much more trouble to steal a weeeee bit of data on our stealth aircraft and build their own instead? When your best friends would rather steal and copy your enemies weapons rather than buy yours already made.......hahahahahahahhahanaaaaaaaa!

  • @wellerocks
    @wellerocks Год назад +98

    According to FMV (Swedish Defense procurement agency) documents that has been circling online, the Gripen 39A had an RCS of 0.1m2 in clean config. Both C and E updates have recieved additional signature reduction modifications, where estimates put them at the same RCS with A2A config (0.1m2). That would make it more stealthy than the Su57 with its 0.1-1m2

    • @MarkoLomovic
      @MarkoLomovic 11 месяцев назад +2

      SU RCS numbers are used wrongly since those are straight from SU 57 designer and in sukhoi they measure RCS differently. All they said it is as stealthy as f22.

    • @rammusannus5364
      @rammusannus5364 11 месяцев назад +42

      @@MarkoLomovic lmao continue coping

    • @MarkoLomovic
      @MarkoLomovic 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@rammusannus5364 Stop projecting it is sad.

    • @oluwatosinopawoye5695
      @oluwatosinopawoye5695 11 месяцев назад +20

      ​@@MarkoLomovicShow us your source.

    • @MarkoLomovic
      @MarkoLomovic 11 месяцев назад +5

      @@oluwatosinopawoye5695 All information we have is numbers given by Sukhoi and it is not even in official capacity.
      And number they gave is not best RCS from most optimal angle(like F22 number we have) but overall average or something which makes it seem like it has shit values.
      From that same statement I recall designer comparing it to F22 and they had similar values.
      So it is irrelevant if you believe it or not but if you are going to use their numbers you can't use it in bad faith.

  • @ursirius4878
    @ursirius4878 Год назад +41

    The dogfight died when the Vietnam war ended. You still need to have the capabilities but it is doubtful you'll ever use them. My father worked on composites for the stealth program. When they finally announced the existence of the F-117 nighthawk I told my dad this plane is amazing. He said the F-117 was nothing compared to what's in the pipeline. He never said a word about his job unless it was already presented to the public.

    • @Registered_Simp
      @Registered_Simp Год назад +9

      Perhaps not quite dead. But it certainly got put on life support. Nowadays you could make a much better case for it being dead proper

    • @milbruh6671
      @milbruh6671 Год назад +6

      yeah I have a family member who used to work in Rolls-Royce and MOOG and some of the things that she CAN say about her job is fucking insane, even if the SU-57 is a 5th gen plane it will be a generation behind within a few years. The USAF really enjoys that 1 gen+ advantage and by god are they not losing it anytime soon

    • @PhysicsGamer
      @PhysicsGamer Год назад +1

      Even at the sorts of range where guns can reach, if you're in an F-35 your goal would still be to hit the opponent with a missile. And in the near future any F-35 will probably be flying alongside a bunch of "wingman" drones, anyway, and those aren't limited by g-forces...

    • @jb76489
      @jb76489 Год назад +6

      @@Registered_Simp even in the 90s, only about 3% of a2a kills were by guns, the dogfight is dead

    • @StrikeNoir105E
      @StrikeNoir105E Год назад +6

      People do indeed put the experiences in Vietnam on a pedestal as the definitive argument as to why dogfights and guns will still reign. However in the decades since Vietnam, especially conflicts in the Middle East and elswhere, the majority of air-to-air kills were made by missiles shot from long range. And even in Vietnam, only a small portion of kills were made with guns just based on public record. Dogfights with guns is less becoming a military reality, and more becoming relegated to movies, TV, and video games. The modern gun dogfight is a capability in the same vein as infantry knife fights: useful for incredibly niche situations, but if you have to rely on it to fight then something has already gone extremely wrong.

  • @FureyinHD
    @FureyinHD Год назад +6

    I sometimes think the Czech and Ukranian engineers were doing all the lifting in the Soviet Union. Russia seems lost on its own. Its all talk and nothing to show.

  • @Hixdey
    @Hixdey 6 месяцев назад +16

    "The SU57 'felon' sucks"
    -a random dude laying on his bed who doesn't even have a SU57

    • @rick7424
      @rick7424 4 месяца назад +2

      Lol you have no counterargument

    • @orwhynotrandom
      @orwhynotrandom 3 месяца назад +3

      Not even russia has a su57

  • @nashazzi8399
    @nashazzi8399 Год назад +5

    Su 57 confirmed jet fighter killer
    F 22 confirmed hot air balloon killer

    • @PopulismIsForBottomFeeders
      @PopulismIsForBottomFeeders Год назад +2

      That's quite an achievement considering Su-57s haven't been in **actual** combat (simulated bombing runs in Syria don't count), let alone aerial combat with other aircraft. They're not even in service at an operational level yet. They're still in development hell.

    • @nashazzi8399
      @nashazzi8399 Год назад +1

      @@PopulismIsForBottomFeeders yeah true dude, Cuz su 57 confirmed Ukrainian fighter jet kill was in belgorod october last year against western air defense in Ukraine. while f22 has been around since ages but no real combat. Only for show

    • @KabodaOfficial
      @KabodaOfficial  Год назад +4

      The lack of opportunity means absolutely nothing about capability.
      This logic you’re using is childish.

    • @nashazzi8399
      @nashazzi8399 Год назад +1

      @@KabodaOfficial get out with not having opportunity, f 22 was launched on 2005. They had multiple chance to use it on the frontline. But that did not. It was never a frontline jet. They even produce a documentary on that and multiple article has been publish on reason and problem with f22 and why they retiring f22 and replaced it with f35.
      It not really battle tested. Its a good logic. Just like how leopard was so good on paper, but got destroyed on battle field. And how challenger2 was so go on paper but was to heavy for ukraine soil. How s 400 was so good on paper but have loop hole. How switch blade was good on paper but get radiojam. How jadam er was good on paper. But got jam. How russian ak 12 was good on paper. But russia didnt proceed with replacement.
      Active battle testing is crucial and it is logical. You butthurt because your favourite plane get criticise is the children behaviour.

    • @KabodaOfficial
      @KabodaOfficial  Год назад +4

      Can you name a conventional foe the US has faced in aerial combat since 2005 that necessitates the use of the F-22?
      The F-22's issue was not capability, but cost and logistics, the F-35 is also not replacing it, that is a different aircraft with a different role.
      Not battle tested means nothing in terms of equipment, that term applies to humans, not steel. A gun can be sat on a table for a decade, it may not have proved it's lethality - that say's nothing about it's capability, and instead - it's lack of opportunity.
      The Challenger 2 was used in Iraq to great success, it has not proven to be an issue in Ukraine thus far.
      The soldier is good on paper, but then the bullet exists - does this make soldiers redundant?
      Your logic is that the F-22 is bad because it hasn't been used, that logic makes absolutely no sense and is quite childish, I am not American, and my own country does not use the F-22, nor is it my favourite plane. I simply can't stand seeing such utter nonsense being spouted.
      I don't know how this is so hard to understand, and your answer to my first question will make it very clear why the F-22 hasn't seen action in air to air combat.

  • @ilikecheese4518
    @ilikecheese4518 Год назад +6

    Russia makes new thing
    Boasts about new thing
    Nato scared
    Nato makes counter to thing
    Later reveals that Russia’s new thing was garbage/didn’t exist

  • @itsumayo
    @itsumayo Год назад +10

    The 57 stands for how many blind people were able to see it when it was first revealed

  • @dyadun
    @dyadun 11 месяцев назад +9

    ‘They couldn’t get the fucking glass canopy right’
    Brilliant. X

  • @joki1937
    @joki1937 Год назад +6

    Of the total Su-57s built, always remember that as of today there are two just sitting at a graveyard at 55.571136366171075, 38.14588376704553

  • @daniellogginsdp
    @daniellogginsdp Год назад +7

    The shot of all the F-35s sitting on the tarmac is so hard

  • @9999AWC
    @9999AWC Год назад +135

    It's a shame considering the potential of the design. The majority of the issues seem rather evident to fix and improve it, and the worst part is that I'm 100% POSITIVE Sukhoi's engineers know all of the shortcomings you mentioned.

    • @AxisCorpsRep
      @AxisCorpsRep Год назад +23

      100% hypothetical and will never happen but i would love for an american company to have developed this design, to just see what it would look like at max potential
      that might be something i have to draw now lol

    • @Theover4000
      @Theover4000 Год назад +4

      @@AxisCorpsRep dewit

    • @bluemarlin8138
      @bluemarlin8138 Год назад +27

      Knowing is different than being able to do anything about it. Even if the US handed the Russians the plans for the F-22 and F-35, Russian industry couldn’t replicate them. Not even close. The US is just that far ahead in manufacturing the components and materials needed for advanced weapons. That’s especially true for aircraft. And the US can actually produce them at scale.

    • @koi_krapfen
      @koi_krapfen Год назад +10

      @@bluemarlin8138 Yeah, people greatly underestimate the complexity of modern technology. When talking about stealth coatings for example, you can't just mix something together and spray it on.
      It's a complex matter of combining different materials, which sometimes don't want to stick to each other, surface micro and macro topography, buildup of inner tension in the coating, complex geometries combined with resistance to the extrem conditions military jets have to face. For this you need a well defined and repeatable process, with many process parameters to balance against each other.
      I know a company which moved to a different place some miles away from their old factory.
      The didn't get their coating process to work for months until the realized, that they used refined tap water in a process step and that at their new place their tap water had a little different ion concentrations. The temporary solution was to bring water from their old place with tanker trucks. This way they could start the production again.They figured out the process with the new water after several more months.

    • @GolddenWaffles
      @GolddenWaffles Год назад

      It’s crazy how once the iron curtain fell russia became complete incompetent on their aeronautics division!

  • @Apocalypse0505hun
    @Apocalypse0505hun Год назад +39

    A little backstory about the plane: The project started in the late 80's but lack of funds made the Soviet union (Which later collapsed) put the project on hold. Later Russia continued the development as a Russian-Indian co-project. As the first planes flew and tests were conducted on the plane (wich at this point was still called T-50 PAK FA) India started to back out from the project, first reducing the number of orders for the plane, then completely backing out from the project. The Russians "finished" (more like rushed) the project due to lack of funds and the plane became the SU-57. The reason why India backed out is unkown, either the plane didn't bring the expected results or it was too expensive, maybe both.
    Also unlikely Russia will be able to produce any more of them anytime soon. As far as I know, the plane has western (French in particular) avionics. Its even a question how long the existing ones will be able to fly.
    And let me put this here at the end... Whoever says whatever about this plane... It looks cool af.

    • @daniel_dumile
      @daniel_dumile 8 месяцев назад

      What did India end up going with?

    • @ismaelguzman8256
      @ismaelguzman8256 8 месяцев назад +3

      @@daniel_dumile I think they are developing their own ''fifth'' generation fighter . But it seems the only real fifth generation fighters are going to be either American or Chinese

    • @joaopaulogris
      @joaopaulogris 8 месяцев назад

      Raphale​@@daniel_dumile

    • @nagantm441
      @nagantm441 8 месяцев назад +1

      This isn't true though. The Indian funding was for an India specific version, the funding never had anything to do with the domestic model.

    • @aarshbhushan1062
      @aarshbhushan1062 8 месяцев назад

      India backed out cz of 2 major reasons that were firstly the plane was not that good and neither we’re Russians making improvements in the sector which Indians mentioned to
      Secondly the project was 60-40 funded, 60% funds from India lol😂 and yet Russians didn’t agree for even 50% tot
      Indian here btw 🤞🏻

  • @blitzkrieg2142k
    @blitzkrieg2142k Год назад +30

    It's a pretty airplane. Have a few in my model collection. But it is more of a stepping stone. If even it's able to be learned from.

    • @AxisCorpsRep
      @AxisCorpsRep Год назад +4

      agreed, as much as we can all agree its not fit for the performance standards that today's environment demands, it is undeniably beautiful

  • @eiite4578
    @eiite4578 Год назад +5

    The SU-67 is the worlds best looking and most expensive...
    ...Stunt plane.

  • @Formulka
    @Formulka Год назад +107

    I would love to see a comparison of a radar cross section from the rear and the sides, it would be hilarious, they didn't even try to hide the exhaust, it's like the rear of an SU-37.

    • @lajoyalobos2009
      @lajoyalobos2009 Год назад +24

      Either classic Russian laziness or classic Russian corruption. Either someone got lazy with the design and hit copy-paste or an oligarch needed a new superyacht.

    • @zahnatom
      @zahnatom Год назад +1

      its side facing aesa radars also significantly increase its side rcs

    • @lwgrazi
      @lwgrazi Год назад +18

      @@zahnatom They're not AESA, the Russians (to most everyone's knowledge) haven't developed an AESA system to date. It could be PESA, which is honestly a piece of trash.

    • @jaek__
      @jaek__ Год назад +4

      ​@@lwgrazi Do you have any evidence to suggest this? Most sources I've looked into suggest they have developed plenty of AESA technology, especially the VVS's SU-35 fleet.
      I think it's just distinctly behind NATO and China in terms of actual processing and frequency direction, and quantity and quality.

    • @ackerkartoffel8627
      @ackerkartoffel8627 Год назад

      maybe because trying an engineering stub, did it work for the f-22, f-35 or j-20? not really, so why even making compromises

  • @liberatetutemeexinferis5902
    @liberatetutemeexinferis5902 9 месяцев назад +3

    Engineers, test pilots and DCS players sure know what they're talking about in the comments below. 🤣

    • @park1776
      @park1776 Месяц назад

      everyone seem to be a stealth expert who actually checked the cross sections of all 5th gen planes on a real radar

    • @bobbyxcelrod
      @bobbyxcelrod Месяц назад

      other than the purely fabricated doc links provided where officially has Sukhoi published the alleged radar cross section (RCS) value for Su-57 to be 0.1-1m2? what a bunch of british bull!? oh one more thing you hating brits! its SU-57 not ESH U-57....grapes are indeed very very sour eh!?

  • @Alte.Kameraden
    @Alte.Kameraden Год назад +22

    Many of the issues I have with the Su-57 are also present on the J-20 as well. Normally you just have to get close up images of these aircraft that are not photo shopped in any way to see just how terribly made they often are. For example, the Su-57 and J-20 are covered in exposed rivets everywhere across the aircraft. J-20 is more offensive when it comes to this than even the Su-57. Whole point of stealth is removing surfaces that can bounce back radar, and having visibly exposed rivets doesn't make me very optimistic on these aircraft's ability to be stealthy. Though the F-22 you can argue has some, normally they're only at access panels and they're screws that can be covered up with radar absorbing paint when sent out. J-20 and Su-57 they're literally rivets poking out of the frame all over the place. J-20's entire top between the wings is covered in rivets for example.
    Worst image of a Su-57 I've seen clearly showed rust coming out between two panels of the air frame. Making me wonder what was underneath that would 'rust.' Why would it be rusting to begin with?

    • @lsswappedcessna
      @lsswappedcessna 10 месяцев назад +7

      oh great, Sukhoi hired General Motors to build their aircraft.

    • @dulguunjargal1199
      @dulguunjargal1199 7 месяцев назад

      ​@@lsswappedcessna "Where did the SU-57 go is it actually stealt- oh there it is burning in a field"

  • @v0id683
    @v0id683 Год назад +18

    Ayy nice video! I dont want to defend the SU-57 but the screws/rivets showing on the outside was a prototype model, still doesnt change the fact that any production variant would be hot garbage. Some good points were made in the video and in general was enjoyable to listen to :) Glad i found your channel

  • @sangomasmith
    @sangomasmith Год назад +47

    So one of the things to keep in mind about RCS reduction is that detection range and cross-section are not linearly correlated. Instead the way the radar equation shakes out is that to halve detection distance you need something like a 16-fold reduction in RCS. This means that obsessive lowering of RCS is needed to get really big improvements in stealth.
    As an example, using the rough specifications of a WW2 airborne search radar set (the SCR-720), the poor pilot from 1945 could expect to pick up a B52 (RCS: 100m2) at around 5km. They could pick up an F15 (RCS: 25m2) at around 4km. An F18 (RCS: 1m2) could be picked up from around 1.7km away. An Su57 (perhaps 0.1m2) could be picked up at around a kilometre. So even taking the designers at their word, the Su57 is still only getting a 40% advantage over the previous-gen aircraft.
    This isn't bad, mind - I'd rather get detected when I'm 40% closer to the target than not. But it illustrates how stealth is a game of technological perfection that doesn't map neatly into our intuitive understanding. It should also be borne in mind that RCS is in and of itself a bit of a lie, as stealth is about more than just some sort of overall RCS reduction. Instead it's about carefully shaping where emissions are going (and across what frequencies) and involves consideration of a range of esoteric aspects of radio frequency stuff that only a few very specialised technical people really have a good grasp on.

    • @ClockworksOfGL
      @ClockworksOfGL Год назад +2

      Indeed, and the ability to *detect* an aircraft isn’t the same as *targeting* an aircraft. The S-400 radar can probably see something as stealthy as an F-35 is up there, but it can’t say exactly where, at least with enough precision to hit it with a missile.

    • @azamatbagatov7161
      @azamatbagatov7161 Год назад +5

      Sure. Except geometric stealth relies on the transmitter and receiver being in the same place. What if you now have a network of receivers? Combine that with meter-wave radar (to at least know where to focus the search) and you've got a workable solution for both detection and targeting as part of your integrated AD, which is what the Russians emphasize (defensive war -- yeah I know, sounds funny at the moment, but that's what their doctrine is built around).

    • @trolleriffic
      @trolleriffic Год назад +5

      @@azamatbagatov7161 Except that such a capability doesn't exist and Russia can't target stealth aircraft using distributed or passive radar networks. Meter-wave radar is also completely useless for targeting.

    • @timothyvu7006
      @timothyvu7006 Год назад

      Do you think sukhoi would tell the truth in public accessible information?

    • @kekkoinen
      @kekkoinen 10 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@timothyvu7006do you think Russia would tell the truth? No, not in a public statement, just generally.
      If you do, go sign up for the Russian army, I heard they'll be in Kyiv soon

  • @CarsGarage
    @CarsGarage 11 месяцев назад +54

    russians simply built a Lada variant of the fighter jet, you can't make a great fighter jet if you can't build a good car.

    • @KabodaOfficial
      @KabodaOfficial  11 месяцев назад +16

      Interestingly, car production capability is often the greatest civilian industry that can be used as a reflection of military production capacity.

    • @darkonojic7494
      @darkonojic7494 11 месяцев назад +7

      ​@@KabodaOfficialSo Japan is no1 world superpower when we come to jet production? Or it is Germany?

    • @jaroslavsandnes5333
      @jaroslavsandnes5333 11 месяцев назад

      Lada is a good car tho what do you mean. Like there’s newer models too if you think they only make old ones😂

    • @lostalone9320
      @lostalone9320 11 месяцев назад +7

      @@darkonojic7494 Japan probably could produce a world leading fighter, and for exactly the reason they are a top car producer - They have a very modern, automated manufacturing industry and have plenty of engineers who know how to use it. They don't have much military industry for political reasons, and that's the same reason why Germany doesn't do it either. But in principle, yes they have the skills and people that you'd need to start a high tech defence aerospace industry.
      Cars are not just an engine on a chassis; there is a lot of aerodynamics going on, sensors being integrated, and a central control unit to run automated systems. There are very very few products that have to fuse all of this together, and which needs to "just work" for decades. More broadly, cars are also these super complex things with very convoluted supply chains that span the whole world, and managing that is a specialised profession by itself. And of course, outside of road car production, motorsport is one of the few places where advanced composites and exotic materials actually get used in live projects instead of testbeds.
      Of course you can't just take Honda and tell them to make you a stealth fighter, but if the Japanese government decided to start a domestic fighter project they would absolutely work with companies like Honda. There is a reason why Saab, for example, produces both road cars and military jets.

    • @psychocuda
      @psychocuda 10 месяцев назад

      While fairly true, I'd argue Saab hasn't really made any good cars but their fighters are pretty spiffy.

  • @champagnegascogne9755
    @champagnegascogne9755 Год назад +9

    The only good thing about the Felon is its silhouette icon you are about to paint on your own jet as a kill.

  • @onasknox9284
    @onasknox9284 Год назад +12

    Let's give it it's due people, that's the best damned 4th gen fighter out there

    • @Sundowner111
      @Sundowner111 Год назад +16

      Not when F-15EX, Eurofighter Typhoon, and Rafale exist.

    • @genericgamer9910
      @genericgamer9910 Год назад +5

      Hell, I'd even take the Grippen over the SU 57.

    • @lwgrazi
      @lwgrazi Год назад

      ​@@genericgamer9910 85 million 4.5 gen? Really?

    • @flashtirade
      @flashtirade Год назад +2

      @@lwgrazi Pricey but at least it's more available and maintainable

    • @jb76489
      @jb76489 Год назад

      Yeahno

  • @wyomingptt
    @wyomingptt 8 месяцев назад +4

    "Russia no longer has the industrial capacity of the Soviet Union" aka they can no longer strong-arm or force Eastern Europeans into giving them all their resources.

  • @lajoyalobos2009
    @lajoyalobos2009 Год назад +12

    I love how he absolutely loses it over the cockpit glass 😂 9:07

    • @JuliusCeasar224
      @JuliusCeasar224 Год назад +2

      its probably just condensation from the AC running in the cockpit

    • @StukaNova
      @StukaNova Год назад

      @@JuliusCeasar224 thats exactly what it was lol, if you look up and find cockpit vides of the Blue Angels you can see some water/condensation forming around the same spot due to the high G's

  • @000-z8n
    @000-z8n Год назад +29

    Whatever else turns out to be true about the PAK-FA (as I'll always think of it)--it's one sexy-ass aircraft.

  • @xAgLyx
    @xAgLyx Год назад +5

    it might be the best 5th Gen Fighter in existance (it isn't, its not even 5th Gen) but it honestly does not matter. NATO Air forces will have approx. a thousand F-35s in operation by August of this year, while the SU-57 has maybe 10 (if they are even combat ready), probably even less than that. The SU-57 would need to be Lightyears ahead of the 5th Gen Fighters to even have a fighting chance in any kind of conflict with a western Air Force, and I'm sorry, it's just not.

    • @AugustSchroif
      @AugustSchroif 10 месяцев назад

      Don't bring fighters to a nuke fight.

    • @xAgLyx
      @xAgLyx 10 месяцев назад

      @@AugustSchroif Cause NATO has no Nukes?? What is the argument here, that we could all destroy each other if we wanted to?

  • @xSpcManSpiffx
    @xSpcManSpiffx 9 месяцев назад +9

    Great video. I was a crew chief on the Raptors at Tyndall and Langley for 4 years. I always thought the Felon looked cool, but could not compete with the Raptor or Lightning when it came to stealth.

  • @TheMarelis
    @TheMarelis Год назад +13

    I'm officialy declaring your channel discovery of the month, excellent videos man, great job! :)

  • @jazz.560
    @jazz.560 Год назад +51

    I think people are just shocked, because China made a decent stealth fighter and Russia a country known for its military hardware is failing

    • @robertharper3754
      @robertharper3754 Год назад +15

      Well, the Soviets were known for their hardware, but after Russia finished most of the Soviet well thought out designs, things have been lacking to say the least. Which is a shame really, they could pump out some really decent kit if it wasn't for all the corruption, (and lack of access to Western tech), but at the same time, the Soviets always talked up how great their military hardware was, even if and especially if it was lacking in anything.

    • @jazz.560
      @jazz.560 Год назад

      @@robertharper3754 I think the biggest issue is that they are broke

    • @jazz.560
      @jazz.560 Год назад +6

      @@robertharper3754 but it’s still just so shocking because there’s still smart people in the country and the fact that they continued to fund an airplane that had a radar cross-section the same as an FA 18 is crazy

    • @jazz.560
      @jazz.560 Год назад

      @@robertharper3754 yeah, I agree it does suck because I love to see competition or just a wide selection of aircraft, each generation sadly, it looks like the fifth generation is going to take a little longer for variety to arrive

    • @NmaeUnavailablesigh
      @NmaeUnavailablesigh Год назад

      China's economy is five or ten times larger than Russia's

  • @stephenwest6738
    @stephenwest6738 Год назад +7

    Actually the stealth on the Su-57 is so good that its never been seen in the wild.

  • @bosoerjadi2838
    @bosoerjadi2838 10 месяцев назад +4

    The Su-75's Nato name isn't Checkmate. As a fighter, its name has to start with an F. It is called the 'Fiction'.

    • @naksachaisaejane1982
      @naksachaisaejane1982 10 месяцев назад +3

      It's the marketing name. Until NATO gives the proper reporting name, it's likely going to be called that or femboy.

    • @al_the_crow
      @al_the_crow 10 месяцев назад

      ​@@naksachaisaejane1982i like femboys

    • @erc6654
      @erc6654 10 месяцев назад +1

      Su-75 Failure

    • @park1776
      @park1776 Месяц назад

      who let you name it bruh

  • @richmanz447
    @richmanz447 Год назад +8

    The Soviet fighter "Foxbat" was a fearsome threat in the minds of NATO until they obtained one thanks to a defecting Soviet pilot flying one to Japan. Once NATO got a close look at the plane, the USA realized they overspent developing the F-15.

    • @markymarknj
      @markymarknj Год назад +4

      But thanks to overspending on the F-15, it's remained a capable aircraft far longer than it should have.

    • @nagantm441
      @nagantm441 8 месяцев назад

      They still thought it was, pretending it wasn't was just propaganda

  • @johannjohann6523
    @johannjohann6523 Год назад +10

    Actually the SU-57 is the world's stealthiest plane, as no one has actually seen one yet in combat lol

    • @CDSAfghan
      @CDSAfghan Год назад +2

      And the T14 has the highest survivability, not a single one has ever been destroyed!

    • @brutaladvance16.43
      @brutaladvance16.43 Год назад

      It is a very nice plane. To me it's the most beautiful fighter jet out there, just the way it flies is elegant and graceful, like gravity doesn't exist! 😍🥰

    • @CloneDAnon
      @CloneDAnon Год назад

      Then why SU57's have already couple of 200km+ airkills in the Ukraine conflict?

    • @ShinTsurugi7
      @ShinTsurugi7 Год назад +1

      ​@@CloneDAnon That's a nice argument vatnik, why don't you back it up with a source?

    • @CloneDAnon
      @CloneDAnon Год назад +1

      @@ShinTsurugi7 I tried to post you a link, but since YT hates links, you can Google it too if you want. Its a fact that unlike F22 and F35 the SU57 has already some actual air to air kills (not just some weatherballoons like in case of F22).

  • @petrilofberg1758
    @petrilofberg1758 3 месяца назад +6

    Lol the ukranians hit one with a long range drone you'd think that the russians would keep their premier fith gen fighter in a hardened hangar but i guess hangar technology is too much for the russians.

    • @sonlethanh8985
      @sonlethanh8985 3 месяца назад +1

      true man.

    • @KabodaOfficial
      @KabodaOfficial  3 месяца назад +7

      I’ve had an uptick of views since this event interestingly too.

    • @TonyChan-eh3nz
      @TonyChan-eh3nz 3 месяца назад +4

      @@KabodaOfficialthe Russia bots need to defend their stealth-plane-that-is-perfect-and-is-completely-invisible-but-also-stealth-doesn’t-work-something-something-S-400/S-500/F-117

    • @KabodaOfficial
      @KabodaOfficial  3 месяца назад

      @_Void_Archive_ where?

    • @KabodaOfficial
      @KabodaOfficial  3 месяца назад +1

      That’s a non-answer that makes me feel like you’re just saying it’s debunked when it is in fact - not.

  • @AsymmetricalCrimes
    @AsymmetricalCrimes Год назад +15

    Su-57 shouldn't even be called 5th gen. It barely qualifies as a 4.5 gen aircraft.

    • @keithallver2450
      @keithallver2450 Год назад +8

      I wouldn't be surprised that the new F-15 EX would smoke it in an engagement.

    • @tunisiandom9318
      @tunisiandom9318 Год назад

      it is more 5th gen than the F-35 that doesn't even have supercruise.
      I explained it here ruclips.net/video/kwbiOXYFDMg/видео.html&lc=UgxResN3HpHrGExv8-B4AaABAg

    • @sabercooler5024
      @sabercooler5024 Год назад +5

      @@keithallver2450 the F-15EX would have a more experienced pilot, and a better support system. The SU-57 would probably be flown by a Russian drunk and zero integration with its surroundings.

  • @Apoc_Bone_Daddy
    @Apoc_Bone_Daddy Год назад +16

    The SU 57 is a hell of a beast man
    Scary as shit
    You never know if it's gonna explode or have some mechanical malfunction in mid flight or during takeoff/landing
    Shit is jankier and more unstable than my romantic life

  • @BlizzardVRU
    @BlizzardVRU 9 месяцев назад +3

    Su-57s have flown combat missions and lost fewer than F-35s in peacetime, in fact, even fewer Su-35s have been lost in the conflict with Ukraine than F-35s in peacetime.

    • @KabodaOfficial
      @KabodaOfficial  9 месяцев назад +1

      There are more SU-57 losses as a % of production than F-35. You’ve commented on two 15 minute videos within 4 minutes, I think that says enough.

    • @sH-ed5yf
      @sH-ed5yf 9 месяцев назад

      Give any evidwnce for that combat missions

  • @trevortammen2341
    @trevortammen2341 8 месяцев назад +2

    A stealth jet with exposed rivets/bolts is quite bold

    • @PAASAMBOB
      @PAASAMBOB 7 месяцев назад +3

      Those were pre production prototype models to test airframe strength and aerodynamics.
      Serial production models don’t have that issue.

    • @stonebud
      @stonebud 7 месяцев назад +3

      it's a prototype and the actual use models won't have them

    • @rick7424
      @rick7424 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@PAASAMBOBPropaganda bot

  • @billballbuster7186
    @billballbuster7186 8 месяцев назад +3

    The Su-57 fails as the Russians cant get it into service. Only about 20 prototypes and pre-production aircraft. It would seem that the Russians themselves have shelves the production. Su-75 is a paper project and would not be in service for decages.

  • @o-manthehuman7867
    @o-manthehuman7867 Год назад +8

    My favorite thing about the felon is that even if it was literally just an objectively better raptor it literally doesnt matter because of how few there are, and how killed the russian economy is meaning that barely any of them will realistically ever get made-- meanwhile there are already a massive number of f35s, and the US operates over 100 f22s

    • @79StRacer
      @79StRacer Год назад

      and what will this hundreds do? they won't even fly from America, too far away. just few number can be operate at the same time from Europe.

    • @kieferkarpfen6897
      @kieferkarpfen6897 Год назад +3

      ​@@79StRacerYou know many european countries have them?

    • @79StRacer
      @79StRacer Год назад

      @@kieferkarpfen6897 i said operated, not owned. Doesn’t matter. Dislocated at Europe. For example in Poland, US send it year ago.

    • @kieferkarpfen6897
      @kieferkarpfen6897 Год назад +4

      @@79StRacer They operate them though

    • @bigatomicsloth3369
      @bigatomicsloth3369 Год назад +5

      ​@@79StRacerI suppose you've never heard of aircraft carriers, my lad. One carrier's worth of f-35's will shit on most countries' entire air forces. Hell, one LHD (small amphibious carrier) with VTOL f-35s and helos would be too much for the orcs to handle. And that ship can go into the Black Sea.

  • @blamogaming123
    @blamogaming123 11 месяцев назад +12

    russian fanboys are real silent

    • @joseaca1010
      @joseaca1010 11 месяцев назад +3

      They are stealthy, unlike their jet

  • @samievans9632
    @samievans9632 Год назад +7

    The word "Sucks" denotes an amiture propaganda video for the usual BS.
    I, as someone who actually studied aircraft design and has been closely following all fighter jet developments can say that the SUKHOI design bureau monitored the F22 and the F35 developments for years. It then went about designing an aircraft that surpasses the technologies and aerodynamic capabilities of both. SU57 has a radar spread through the entire body of this aircraft, giving it a 360' all weather awareness. The S400 anti-aircraft missile travels at Mach 15 while the closest Patriot missile can do 30% of that speed with far less range. The air-to-air missiles for the SU series can also travel at phenomenal speeds and have a range of 400 Km, (Not used on the battlefield so far as I know). The technology of SU57 is one superb engineering jet fighter and one the West envies. That is why they have to move to a 6th generation fighter now.

    • @mrmusanda3576
      @mrmusanda3576 Год назад +1

      RUclipsrs think science should coincide with West Bias

    • @racket804
      @racket804 Год назад +1

      the fact that the USAF is retiring the F22 in favour for a 6th gen progam shows that it isnt the king of the skies anymore. The Felon and J20 are both 15 years newer and both vastly outperform it in every metric except stealth.

    • @sophisthemlock246
      @sophisthemlock246 9 месяцев назад

      @@racket804 Just because something isn't broken yet doesn't mean you can't fix it. Look at the French before the blitzkrieg, they thought static defenses weren't broken yet so they used them and lost their nation. If you think you beat the game in a game that doesn't end then you've endangered yourself. We don't have a reason to think that the F-22 is obsolete but we have to make sure we don't get complacent

  • @whereismycup
    @whereismycup 8 месяцев назад +4

    they call it the felon because it sucks so bad it should be a felony to own

  • @the_legendary_vin
    @the_legendary_vin Год назад +79

    You seem extremely well educated and well researched. I'll definitely be returning to your channel often. Also the SU-75 Femboy likely won't be much better

    • @FXIIBeaver
      @FXIIBeaver Год назад +2

      Unless he is the planes engineer. He doesn’t know anything about the plane and is just going off of propaganda.

    • @the_legendary_vin
      @the_legendary_vin Год назад +17

      @@FXIIBeaver Okay Vatnik

    • @the_legendary_vin
      @the_legendary_vin Год назад +3

      you unironically watch fox. Your opinion on what is and is not propoganda is literally invalid to me

    • @FXIIBeaver
      @FXIIBeaver Год назад +2

      @@the_legendary_vin I love how you just assume a whole bunch about me, and it took you two comments?

    • @the_legendary_vin
      @the_legendary_vin Год назад +6

      @@FXIIBeaver I can literally see your subscriptions mate

  • @tanostrelok2323
    @tanostrelok2323 Год назад +8

    It appears that you hurt some feelings with this video.
    Interesting watch nonetheless

  • @veleriphon
    @veleriphon Год назад +35

    Anyone else notice all the riveting not being flush on the Felon? It might have only been the initial prototypes, but if not, that doesn't bode well.

    • @Relayer6a
      @Relayer6a Год назад +2

      Well, it's not likely that they are capable of doing it for a fleet of planes if they can't with 1.

    • @BringerOfD
      @BringerOfD Год назад

      Yeah I saw that. Something the west started doing en masse almost a century ago at this point, the Russians still aren't able to utilize at scale today. Wtf?

    • @spejic1
      @spejic1 Год назад +2

      Maybe it's supposed to be like that so they can put RAM putty over the screws - that's what we did on the HAVE BLUE prototype and the F-117. Not that there's any proof that they ever tried to do this.

    • @voidtempering8700
      @voidtempering8700 Год назад +5

      The rivets are not visible on the serial production models they were only on the prototype.

    • @Relayer6a
      @Relayer6a Год назад +5

      @@voidtempering8700 What are serial production models? There's like 10 of them.
      They could be the best plane in the world (they aren't) and it wouldn't matter. They won't get past the first waves of A2A missiles and "Loyal Wingman" AI drones. There's simply not enough of them to matter.
      The rest of the Russian air force is going to be used as cannon fodder to protect them.

  • @Sheepleton
    @Sheepleton 8 месяцев назад +2

    When India won't buy your plane because of its ancient avionics you're worthy of all the jokes...

  • @peterga3658
    @peterga3658 10 месяцев назад +3

    thing they re lagging behind ... hmmm GPS ..

  • @kingghidorah8106
    @kingghidorah8106 Год назад +28

    I love calling this the Tesla Jet. It has gaps between the pannels, very little technology traded as game changer when its actually invested in nonsensical functions and... it blows up (not yet but we'll see when it starts line production) i've ever seen a propaganda channel say that the su57 didn't need to be stealth for radars because it was invisible to the human eye (which is cap, and these think dogfighting point blank is still a thing lol)

  • @ThatGenericName
    @ThatGenericName 11 месяцев назад +18

    Gonna have to correct something here regarding the IRST. IRST isn't actually a targeting module but rather a method of targeting. The targeting module on an SU-57 is only capable of IRST while the EOTS system on the F-35 is capable of IRST in addition to other capabilities. The mere presence of IRST is not what causes the stealth issue either, rather that the enclosure is spherical in shape, which is pretty bad for stealth. The lack of a ram coating is likely overstated as it would have a miniscule effect on stealth compared to the giant cockpit canopy if Russia lacks the capability to produce a transparent RAM coating.
    This is further supported by the fact that the J-20 also has an IRST only module. Despite the visual similarities in enclosure between the J-20 and F-35, the one on the J-20 is IRST only as evident by the fact that only the front panels are transparent on the J-20 enclosure.
    Otherwise, great video on why the SU-57 sucks.

    • @KabodaOfficial
      @KabodaOfficial  11 месяцев назад +7

      Some great points, thank you for taking the time to comment!

  • @adamwee382
    @adamwee382 Год назад +20

    2:52 you also have to mention that the F117 that was shot down was not being assisted by an F-111 for electronic jamming which it normally would have been.

    • @anousenic
      @anousenic 9 месяцев назад

      Also from what I heard they detected is using linked radar stations.
      Radar stations would receive and interpret the radar rays that bounced of the planes belly.
      (Stealth planes/RCS is about not reflecting radar back to where it came from, but a radar at another location might pick up the reflected rays - the question is just whether or not it knows how to interpret those.
      Modern RAM coating certainly helps prevent that kind of indirect detection though)

    • @MaxAalbers-xy2xq
      @MaxAalbers-xy2xq 7 месяцев назад +1

      The serbs also had spies by the airfield of where the F-117s took off and they took off and went on the same path pretty much every single night - so when the serbians saw that tiny blip when the bomb bay doors opened they knew for a fact that's what they were looking for, and they also knew exactly when to start looking for them

    • @MaxAalbers-xy2xq
      @MaxAalbers-xy2xq 7 месяцев назад +1

      The serbs also had spies by the airfield of where the F-117s took off and they took off and went on the same path pretty much every single night - so when the serbians saw that tiny blip when the bomb bay doors opened they knew for a fact that's what they were looking for, and they also knew exactly when to start looking for them

    • @MaxAalbers-xy2xq
      @MaxAalbers-xy2xq 7 месяцев назад +1

      The serbs also had spies by the airfield of where the F-117s took off and they took off and went on the same path pretty much every single night - so when the serbians saw that tiny blip when the bomb bay doors opened they knew for a fact that's what they were looking for, and they also knew exactly when to start looking for them

    • @MaxAalbers-xy2xq
      @MaxAalbers-xy2xq 7 месяцев назад +1

      The serbs also had spies by the airfield of where the F-117s took off and they took off and went on the same path pretty much every single night - so when the serbians saw that tiny blip when the bomb bay doors opened they knew for a fact that's what they were looking for, and they also knew exactly when to start looking for them

  • @darksidetize5183
    @darksidetize5183 8 месяцев назад +3

    Sad because it really is a gorgeous aircraft… but they totally fumbled the execution.

  • @hugo511
    @hugo511 Год назад +26

    hey mate just found your channel and the videos are really good, keep producing this quality of content and you'll get big in no time - 1K subscribers is really impressive for just 3 months of YT

  • @NordicRest
    @NordicRest 11 месяцев назад +2

    I'm sorry, but the Su-75 isn't the Checkmate. It's the Femboy.

  • @santeris.4708
    @santeris.4708 Год назад +10

    SU 57 pros
    -it looks kinda cool
    Thats, about it...

    • @tunisiandom9318
      @tunisiandom9318 Год назад

      and it's more stealthy than the F-35 in L. it's faster, can take more weapons to a longer range, has more sensors and of a wider variety and it is integrated with wingman UAVs and can share data with them and it can supercruise which the F-35 can't do and the F-22 has only the supercruise.I have explained a lot in my comment ruclips.net/video/kwbiOXYFDMg/видео.html&lc=UgxResN3HpHrGExv8-B4AaABAg

  • @xenoaltrax485
    @xenoaltrax485 Год назад +11

    The F-35 rcs value you put in your video seems to have been mixed up with that for the F-22. The 35 rcs is on the order of 0.001 sqm, it's the 22 which has a 0.0001 sqm rcs.

    • @_Epsilon_
      @_Epsilon_ Год назад +6

      Both numbers are BS.

    • @xenoaltrax485
      @xenoaltrax485 Год назад +11

      References or you're BS.

    • @tsukishiro70
      @tsukishiro70 Год назад

      Do either of you want to go to jail? The real figures on both the F-22 and F-35 are classified. As in you leak the details, you go to jail and share a cell with the Tossed Salad Man. @@xenoaltrax485

    • @CDSAfghan
      @CDSAfghan Год назад +12

      @@xenoaltrax485 Guy is super triggered "hates the west" type.

    • @themaninabucket8365
      @themaninabucket8365 Год назад +8

      @@_Epsilon_ you got any concrete data for that claim or..?

  • @monarchtherapsidsinostran9125
    @monarchtherapsidsinostran9125 Год назад +22

    Its kind of a tragedy whats happening to russia as a entity in general tbh. Its slowly becoming more similar to north korea every day. Frankly the russian people are the only ones who will really suffer from their own government though. The military and its industry is just a surface level sign of things slowly going to shit.

    • @surgeon9039
      @surgeon9039 Год назад

      Why? I mean in Western media of crs. Its a very healthy move from Russia and all of Eurasia. Those civilizations need to evolve by themselfs, without US manuals. Using its resources for their own good, not to create a patch for bloated western economies. Like UK for example. All they have is finances and control of those finances. Auditing controlling firms, appraisal and insurance firms, resource exchanges etc.. All of this can be easily created in Russia, China, India and other countries. And they will be selling their resources and have economic systems that are profitable for their countries in the first place, not for US, EU or UK.

    • @monarchtherapsidsinostran9125
      @monarchtherapsidsinostran9125 Год назад +6

      @@surgeon9039 no I'm talking about declining populations, and economic collapse. Also the fact their tech sector is slowing down if not drastically behind in all aspects much like the two koreas in the 60s-80s. One outpaced the other in every possible way. We know them as south korea. It was for a multitude of factors but still.
      Russia isolating itself to its own block probably will result in them being a rump state thats dependent on china for everything. It's not a good thing even if they have the resources this isn't a video game.

    • @surgeon9039
      @surgeon9039 Год назад

      @@monarchtherapsidsinostran9125 But again. You are just copy-pasting what western media said. But even IMF and western media like bloomberg said that Russian GDP would be positive in 2023-2024. Massive copium and hysteria is normal as US destroyed EU economy and industrial sector so US itself can survive. Basically did the same thing as with USSR in the 90s. But beside AUKUS and crisis that will be worse then great depression US have no other plans.
      War with China and support Ukrainian front will cost US trillions, but as more countries uses their own currencies dollar coming back to US causing the inflation, FRS is pumpin up the key rate and that means that dollar reserves are now useless. So even more countries will stop using it. No more cheap dollar, no more printing. So how US is going to progress without cheap resources and labor?
      China stealing US tech 20 years ago and that was under international laws. Imagine if Russia, China, India and other Eurasian countried decide to ignore licensing? Industrial espionage was a thing during Cold War and it will start again, US is in a losing position because they got the tech.

    • @gusramos3620
      @gusramos3620 Год назад

      ​@@surgeon9039 It was Russia's choice to export their resources to the west. Russia has all the ingredients to become a powerful country. Too bad their government is infested with trolls who only either use the money to fund it's military (of which only fraction only makes it) or just straight up put it in their pockets.

    • @ActLikeABitch
      @ActLikeABitch Год назад +1

      ​@@monarchtherapsidsinostran9125 Russia economy collapse ? Are you joking ? Go check from IMF data what they said about Russia economy bruh😂, dont type without searching anything . Russia isolate itself ? Bruh in this world not only West exist , Asia , Africa , Latin America , Middle😂. West only 50 country🤣

  • @dcsniper1874
    @dcsniper1874 6 месяцев назад +2

    That scream is enough to scare off any potential hunters. Plus, it’s the pilot, not the plane - Fred Dibnah.

    • @naksachaisaejane1982
      @naksachaisaejane1982 5 месяцев назад

      Ok. Try fighting raptor with sabre then. I guarantee that you won't like it.

  • @burgadahz17
    @burgadahz17 9 месяцев назад +5

    A lot of american people here.

  • @trijetaviator
    @trijetaviator 2 месяца назад +3

    very impressive! the russians finally built a decent answer to the f-86!

  • @Ronifromearth
    @Ronifromearth 8 месяцев назад +6

    India was on this program and when the scientist of india got to see the product of what russia has made in 2014 India quickly pulled out from the program 😂

    • @crazygamingyt7245
      @crazygamingyt7245 6 месяцев назад

      They pulled out in 2018

    • @korana6308
      @korana6308 4 месяца назад

      @@crazygamingyt7245 They didn't pull out they wanted a transfer of technology. Like with every other weapon that Russia gave them. Obviously giving away the most modern and advanced fighter jet plane was not a good option. So Russia refused to transfer the technology and hence why India pulled out.

  • @garybeavers6182
    @garybeavers6182 8 месяцев назад +3

    This explains why they haven’t been using them in Ukraine.. actually they would as likely to be shot down by their own defense systems as Ukraines. Seeing as how they been trying to sell them just like their new Armata tanks they can’t have them looking bad in action.. bad for business.

  • @sekured9950
    @sekured9950 Год назад +6

    While I do tip my hat to mostly all modern/early'ish Russian fighters... Nothing comes close to the Su-47 Berkut. That thing is just too damn cool.

  • @datgood121
    @datgood121 Год назад +10

    From what I've heard the viral photo with exposed screws is from an earlier prototype plane. Hilariously low production rate aside, I heard the newer ones dont have that problem

    • @ferrous3262
      @ferrous3262 Год назад +7

      yes it was only a issue on the prototype model but people still like to propagate exposed rivets like its still a thing

    • @AusExplorer
      @AusExplorer Год назад +5

      @@ferrous3262 Not that it really matters either way, when you have 10 of them that work [mostly], the screws are the least of the problems.

    • @gansior4744
      @gansior4744 Год назад +1

      Well, there is no Production Models, every flyable Su-57 is a prototype that was put into the Production

    • @ferrous3262
      @ferrous3262 Год назад +1

      @@gansior4744 u actually might be neurodivergent

    • @PeterMuskrat6968
      @PeterMuskrat6968 Год назад

      Yeah probs not… just sucks for the Russian pilots since it still has all of its other problems.