Game would drop audio on anime cut scenes for me until I installed GE 7.20 newer 7.24 and 7.26 didn’t work for me. Note: It does take forever to launch the first time though.
Sometimes I feel like we forget the magic that is playing any game in your library portably like this, or that it's such an affordable device that people who could never experience games on good hardware before now have a good option for casual gaming
Gonna get one because of the games that are on pc but not on xbox, so many good and cool games with good performance is crazy. Plus EmuDeck gives it even more value
I agree with other commenters, trying out Proton-GE might smooth out some of the issues. Also, I'm super hyped that Valve is working on a capped 40FPS+native refresh rate option. I can't wait to see tests like this with that available.
@@poppys33d From what The Phawx has posted, the screen is capable. It required a custom EDID to set up the timings and clock rates to drive the panel appropriately, but it didn't appear to cause any issues, like strobing or smearing. The issue for Valve is that loading an alternate file for Extended Display Identification Data forces the GPU driver to tear down and restart its monitor controls, just like plugging in a new monitor. That will cause quite a long screen blank on a running Steam Deck. That's unlike the present FPS caps that divide evenly into the panel's native 60FPS, where the game can draw 15 or 30 times a second, and the compositor can just double or quadruple them to get 60.
@@rhekman That's some great info, thanks you. It'll be interesting to see how the software progresses here. In many ways the Deck is a work in progress. Good thing it's so much fun as it is.
@@rhekman not that any reasonable person would die from waiting a few seconds until the display switches to 40hz. The only people I can imagine complaining about that should probably not even be taken into consideration by Valve.
@@MadViking82 Also valid, so nowhere near perfect but in a pinch and bored in a weird area. Still good enough to play it if you wanted, so fair enough trade off I think
because Gaben (the CEO of Valve)'s sons plays FFXV so that why it tooks priority. cause if his kids can't enjoy the things he makes why would the general masses would like it.
Heya, as far as small UI stuff goes, I've found on desktop that using RSR (AMD's driver level upscaling for 5000/6000 series GPUs) can actually help with that. Because you're rendering the game at a lower resolution initially, it actually makes the UI appear bigger! Which makes system wide FSR another win for the deck even beyond its performance gains.
The thing about the Deck I like is that it is Linux, so any bug or technical glitch will have an official or unofficial fix more than likely. I think for more technically inclined folks like the ones not afraid of switching drives, the sticks when they break, and playing with firmware/software. The deck for those people will really be a bang for its buck I feel. I saw a video of a person showing that you can Dock the Deck and actually improve performance when you upscale the game to 1080P, things like that show the potential of the device
I've been playing with FSR on the deck and I've yet to use my dock. It works great to gain frames, and can sit in for antialiasing as well on certain titles. I typically do NOT use antialiasing because I like sharp textures and images, but FSR can get rid of shimmering pixels as well.
Digital foundry has done some testing with games and they recommend using the built in 30fps cap if you’re going to play at 30fps. Apparently the frame times are better and it’s a much smoother experience in comparison to enabling it in-game.
If you're playing a game with proton and you find the video scenes are missing or have no sound, it's because Valve can't legally distribute the compression algorithms for them. You can get around this by using an unofficial version of proton like Glorious Eggroll.
You can use ProtonUp to install GE-Proton (Glorious Eggrolls custom fork) to get things like cutscenes and audio working in Persona4. Other noteworthy game/s affected by include the RE:Remakes. The main reason being Valve avoiding redistributing Windows MediaFoundation codecs they aren't authorised to, they're working on getting around it by re-encoding all the affected media iirc. Looking forward to more Deck coverage (:
I think it was released after this video, but now there is an option for 40Hz (not only limit framerate, but change how the screen refresh) gaining both smoothness and battery life
My order is going to become available sometime in the next month, according to the steam page. Really looking forward to it. I have a beastly PC and a PS4 Pro, but I'm still very much a handheld gamer at heart. Growing up, I've always played on my DS, PSP, 3DS and Vita. There's just something about it.
Valve *needs* to add a "community covers" function/hub, just like we have artwork right now (they could tie it in!). Being about to set game covers from the community would fix so much and offer a wide range of variation. Imagine being able to subscribe to a cover creator/collection and your library having matching game cover aesthetics! Would be a revelation!
@@bradhaines3142 It finally moved to DX11 but GW2 is very CPU bound and I'm sure it would tax the Steam Decks CPU, especially when you have over 50 people at once doing an event 😊
@@-INFERNUS- Gw2 ran on my Surface Go 3. It was on the lowest settings on 50% res scaling at 720p, but it ran between 40 and 60 fps, even with world events with 100+ other people. Steam Deck will do fine and i can't wait until it's available.
As someone who only browses protondb, I notice that trouble playing pre-rendered cutscenes seems to be a recurring problem, not only with the Steam Deck but with any device running the Proton OS. There may be workarounds, such as booting games in GE or experimental mode, or installing extra plugins, but it probably works on a case-by-case basis.
@@pcworld yes from what i could tell these issues are due to video codecs which are part of windows media foundation which Valve can't ship for legal reasons hopefully valve can convince devs to use some more cross-platform codecs
RPGs was easily my biggest use case for my deck, and it's been great. Disco Elysium runs wonderfully, been sinking a ton of time into Planescape Torment. Pretty much all the Soulsborne games run great, too. Bonus.
@@stanbasov42 not bad, actually. They've both got size adjustments to at least some extent, and you're already holding it pretty close. I'm sure it won't be perfect for everyone, but it's certainly no Dead Rising 1 sub-titles.
That's what I'm doing all my Jrpgs and RPGs are going onto the deck. Expect for big Gigabyte ones like Odyssey 100gb is too much. If the Rpg is more than roughly 50gb it probably wont go on my deck. I bought the 64gb deck currently got a 256gb card in it and got 17 games installed. Got a 512gb microsd coming. Might grab another 512mictoSd later.
Another option is is to lower the Steamdeck's hardware settings to cap at 50 FPS/50 Hz refresh (or a bit lower even depending on your preferences). This gives almost the same smoothness as 60FPS/60 Hz, but allows you to keep other graphical settings higher.
Honestly 12 to me was.. OK. it just kinda fell short in terms of depth to me overall compared to the others I tried. And the weirdly uninvolved combat system was somewhat offputting really. I basically didn't have to DO anything once I had all my gambits set to heal/cure all status ailments and constantly reapply good buffs and attack weaknesses :/ It was such an odd game in the series for me overall.
Loveeeee my Steam Deck also the game pass cloud app runs like a dream. I get almost 7 hours battery life on most games. Another jrpg game for you to try on the deck that runs great is Tokyo Xanadu eX+ Also had massive issues with Chrono Cross but Proton experimental Bleeding edge fixed it.
When you say cloud app, do you get the app on steam deck? I thought you had to play it through Internet browser? Could you send me the link that you used please? My deck will come September so I've been just saving latest info
So last I checked Dragon Quest XI S doesn't show as verified, but that may have changed. Either way, it runs fine. But man, what a beautiful game for the steam deck. For how nice it looks, it's also really light weight. And the steam deck has been the way I've gotten pretty far in it.
The FFVII issue is nothing to do with the Steam Deck. It's because, for some reason, the gamepad controls just can't be used to get past that initial menu, so you NEED keyboard input to start up the game. I remember having this issue playing with the gamepad on my desktop.
@@bluegem8582 Using the virtual keyboard to get past that initial screen will allow you to play the rest of the game with the gamepad controls with no problem.
Yesterday i read somewhere, when you go down from multi cpu to only 3 cpu in use you should sometimes get much better performance. Have no steam deck to test it
Tales of Arise also plays extremely well and looks great on the Aya Neo, despite the Deck having generally better FPS in most games. Looks great on either handheld imo.
I honestly think JRPGs is one of the most brutal tests for the Steam Deck since Japanese studios often don't stick to typical PC conventions when making a PC Port, often they come with all kinds of quirks, like fixed resolutions, limited amount of screen modes, framerates etc. I mean even looking at a new game like FFVII Remake, you can't actually choose between dynamic resolution and framerate limit, they are combined. So choosing 60fps will yield a very blurry image even if you force it to the new 40fps cap offered by the new Steam Deck firmware. The only way I could do it was to add a mod to remove dynamic resolution. Which is a shame, since it Dynamic Resolution isn't necessarily a bad feature. With that being said, I still find the Steam Deck absolutely BRILLIANT! :D
I got a steam deck today and I would like to say to anyone on the edge of buying it but are put off by these videos, don't be fooled too much. What you see on the display here is one thing, another thing is playing it yourself. On the steam deck display itself, in real life, these games, even on low/medium settings - looks GREAT.
Bit old an old gem, but you should give Knights of the Old Republic 2 a try. Running it on my deck feels extremely good, and you can subscribe to the restore cut content mod on the steam workshop to make the experience feel somewhat new again if you have already beaten through it.
I really hoped that game developers would take some time to just add a "Steam Deck optimized" option in the graphics settings. Who knows what the future will hold!
With dragon quest, you just need to use the experimental version of proton and ten no problems. I was getting 60fps easy on that game, even when I limited the power by half.
Can you give some more details on that? I tried the Proton Experimental version, and still get 35-45 fps with settings on high. Even with everything off it barely hits 60fs, with lots of dips into the low-mid 50s.
@@poppys33d probably just a settings difference, I just left the graphics settings alone, so whatever steam or the dev chose by default. Except, I did switch to full screen mode, and tried to lower it to 720p res, but the game is still reporting a higher res. The weird swished screen and controls not working issues were resolved by switching to proton experimental in the comparability settings
@@poppys33d maybe so. I’m only a few hours into the game in the open world, been 60 the whole time for me though, maybe dropping to 55-58 for a few seconds because of my power limit
@@JackOusley Yeah I'm not seeing that. In some places my GPU is pegged at 100% in the opening area before crossing the bridge to do battle with the slimes (tutorial). Maybe from there it's better...
Fantastic review. I like that you speak about settings and / or about quirks or control issues. Very informative video! Now I know, which games I can skip, which I can add to wishlist etc. :)
Yakuza Like a Dragon was such a nice surprise.. figured I would hate it since they changed the game so much but now it's probably my favorite Yakuza game :) Thanks for the reminder on Last Remnant.. totally forgot about that one and never got around to finishing it.
@@pcworld Since you have Dragon Quest 11 on the list you might want to give Dragon Quest Builders 2 a spin. It's a cute spinoff from the series with some minecraft/survival things thrown in.. Really hope they make a part 3 soon.
Thanks for this video! I have been considering jumping into Persona series and Monster Hunter games with the Steam Deck. I may get a few Yakuza games, they look like fun!
With so many games that are still running 720p instead of 800p on the Deck, Valve should've just given it a 720p screen. They didn't even have to change the overall size of the device, just have the left/right bezels as thin as the top/bottom ones and you have a 16:9 screen.
I've found the 16:10 ratio is really good for games that use less wide screen ratios. It's a great choice to minimize black bars in all sorts of screen ratios. Also, GBA games almost fit perfectly. It's beautiful. But yeah, I think Valve had older titles in mind that only supported 4:3. Those games look way better on 16:10 than they do on 16:9.
Adam, great work !! Must have taken quite a bit of time to get these running and fiddling around with the settings to get a smooth experience going. You may be too young for this but this reminds me somehow of the Sega Game Gear in the 90s. That was too expensive and a luxury then, and for me this feels like a luxury now - but one I bet many will enjoy!
Watching the video, The Last Remnant unfortunately had those "slowdowns" even on a modern PC, way past its requirements. Mostly during combat. Also, as a side not, using Proton GE allows one to run basically all Trails series RPGs up till CS4, haven't tried Hajimari or Kuro yet.
there should be a button in every steamdeck supported game in the visual settings in game that says "Steamdeck Profile" or atleast the steam launcher does this automatically, instead of fcking experimenting all the time in every game.
I remember the good old days of portable gaming, like the nintendo ds that you could fit in your pocket. This thing is a giant monstrosity that eats battery so fast there is no point playing it unless you're near a socket, which at that point you may as well just use a gaming pc
Literally most of the problems you had could be fixed with a little googling. Nocturne runs perfect using Proton GE the same work around also worked for Persona 4 at the time before it got verified. A little research goes a long way.
This video and some others I've watched really have made me go like "That would actually be awesome to play on the Steam Deck". Absolutely can't wait until I can buy one! :D
ya the glorious eggroll proton fix will give games with audio issues a fix, haven't seen a comment explaining it tho so if you're curious its because those games use codecs that are native to windows and can't legally be included in the framework that runs the deck.
Planescape Torment runs really well. Didn't measure performance, but it being an old game, I doubt it has any issues - and saw none. Two tweaks I did was bumping text size in game settings, and also remapping some of the default controls - although the latter wasn't really needed, just did it out of personal preference.
So just to add to your results. I performed the same experimentation on the steam adult game section on the Deck to make sure it could handle games of culture. My results are similar. There is no rhyme or reason to verified, slightly verified, unverified. I found a couple of verified adult games I had to call steam and report as non functioning. I had many many more unverified run fine.
I wish steamdeck 2 with rDNA 3+RSR can play all these games in native 800p while at high with lower than 15w tdp.. won't mind the res stays low while bumping on battery life
I find the non-changeable 720p to be a thing on MANY games, and you'd think maybe Valve would have considered the resolution when factoring in just how many games can't do the full screen without small bars. Other than that the deck is pretty great. Just need that dual-boot support!
Great video! Thank you for giving us such a good gameplay sample of all those RPG games in a compilation, we love the format. Crazy idea here... The deck might be the worst platform for RTS games, but let's face it... We are all obsessed with good RTS games! Please do a video of games such as; Starcraft II, Company of Heroes 2, Age of empires IV, etc. on the Steamdeck. Basically, any RTS compilation that you can actually play on the Steamdeck, would be very much appreciated. And if the most recent releases of those games don't run properly, maybe their older counterparts will!?
@@pcworld You know we are just going to hook up a mouse on this thing, the second we start getting zerged, revenge! Super glad I found your chanel brother, game on!
use a glorious eggroll version of proton with the windows media foundation stuff. That often is useful for fixing oddball games, Otherwise using the experimental proton also often fixes that stuff with persona 4
I am currently playing symphony of war on steam deck and it is an amazinggg experience!!! There’s some VERY minor visual bugs that happen for a split second (I guess cause of the steam deck res?) but goes away and comes back like every 2 hours or so but last for a split second.. the game itself is awesome, think of it like fire emblem. I’m a bit addicted playing on my bed for hours 🥲
I'm not really interested in portable gaming, but I'm mostly playing RPGs. And if all of those can run on a device like this, I should have no problems on a middle class PC with 2060S GPU for the next couple of years.
The Last Remnant is worth playing just for the soundrack... The gameplay is very hit and miss. Resonance of Fate (End of Eternity in Japan) and Dragon's Dogma could be interesting to try on the Deck... Though saying that I only ever bought the PS3 versions and they don't play well with RPCS3... Not that I'll have a Deck until "after q3."
I think 720p is fine for a handheld console honestly especially if it helps performance. It's just such a small screen that it doesn't make a huge difference. It's truthfully the same with a television. I had a 720 TV up until just a year or so ago and jumped straight from it to a 4k so although yes you can notice a difference, it's mostly noticeable when you're right up on the screen. From across the room it's not as obvious unless you have perfect vision lol
I cant tell if you know about this or not because you dont show it off. But it seem like your first step is to lock your games to 30fps when they do not hit 60fps consistently. What you should try is lowering the refresh rate of the screen to 40 or 50 hz and lock the fps to match. I play most things using this and 40hz + 40 fps is pretty smooth honestly.
Great video thank you. Just got a steam deck abd honestly blown away that i have a capable pc of playing AAA titles...irony is, i now don't know what to do with it or what games best to play on it and yes think RPGs which i love will be the best way to make use of its portability
What this tells me. One update can change the accuracy of that whole verified, unverified system. And steam isn't going to hire an army to continually check. It looks like they will take it on, on a, by complaint, by game basis. For the decks life cycle. Which is why you are getting that survey when you close a game for the 3rd time playing on how it functions.
You should note that the current Update fixes game start issues. Plus the controles allow tremendous flexability to suit the user. This is not a regular console, it is much more
Also of note. Both college kings 1 and 2 were having the same issue of crashing at start up. Called steam. They had me re-download both games with the deck plugged into power. Which immediately fixed the problems with college kings 2. But college kings 1, I've tried multiple times and it just doesn't work.
Какой ты молодец!!! Спасибо! Наконец то обзор именно RPG. Все, почему-то, тестируют одни и те же экшен игры - doom, cyberpunk, witcher. А меня больше всего интересовало удобство игры в современные, классические (командные) РПГ, такие как BG 3, Pathfinder, Divinity. Из того, что я хотел увидеть в твоём обзоре толь Pillars of eternity не хватает. Эти игры долгие, в них больше приходится читать, чем активно работать мышкой и клавиатурой. А читать приятнее в дорогое или в кровати перед сном) С появления GPD WIN 2 - я покупал, но не играл в такие игры, ждал чего-то более удобного, для постельного гейминга) Спасибо за обзор! (like, подписка) Успехов!
I dont mind 30 fps, coming from a long time playing switch games… only games i do mind 60frames are on FPS games, off-line rpgs it just doesnt affect me to much
Fable 25th anniversary edition plays smooth no issues on the deck. It's the only game I've spent more than a few hours on using the deck just because I'm always too busy to play
Looks like the Steamdeck will be grate to tackle my back log of JRPG ports. I'd expect 1000s of games to not have 16x10 AR if they are ported from console. If they do have it it's probably -H FOV and not +V FOV. Setting them to 720p might even help with battery life in these cases.
when you encounter some quirks in the deck try to Use another Proton on the settings menu, sir. it's there for a reason it feels like half-asses content again. anyway, I think it's still good to highlight certain games on the deck. ty
I would have loved to have seen The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion and The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim and see if you can max out the graphics and draw distance on either of those classics.
Most devs will not support 16:10 and if they do most just crop the screen. I would suggest almost always switching to 1280x720 for better support. This has the added bonus of boosting performance and battery life.
The sound for Persona 4 Golden will work if you change the compability to "Proton Experimental" in the properties of the game.
wow they already fixed it
Verified today!
Do cutscenes still have any issues?
@@nintendude794 No - this has been fixed. It doesn't even require the Experimental setting anymore, now the game just works out of the box.
Game would drop audio on anime cut scenes for me until I installed GE 7.20 newer 7.24 and 7.26 didn’t work for me. Note: It does take forever to launch the first time though.
Steam deck is a backlog killer.
Deck owner here. Persona 4 cutscenes work when using “Proton experimental” under compatibility
Sometimes I feel like we forget the magic that is playing any game in your library portably like this, or that it's such an affordable device that people who could never experience games on good hardware before now have a good option for casual gaming
Gonna get one because of the games that are on pc but not on xbox, so many good and cool games with good performance is crazy. Plus EmuDeck gives it even more value
Great video. This is the genre I intend to focus on most while using the Steam Deck, so it's good to see that they work well.
I agree with other commenters, trying out Proton-GE might smooth out some of the issues.
Also, I'm super hyped that Valve is working on a capped 40FPS+native refresh rate option. I can't wait to see tests like this with that available.
40fps mode would be truly fantastic. Is it confirmed the screen can actually run a dedicated 40hz?
@@poppys33d From what The Phawx has posted, the screen is capable. It required a custom EDID to set up the timings and clock rates to drive the panel appropriately, but it didn't appear to cause any issues, like strobing or smearing.
The issue for Valve is that loading an alternate file for Extended Display Identification Data forces the GPU driver to tear down and restart its monitor controls, just like plugging in a new monitor. That will cause quite a long screen blank on a running Steam Deck. That's unlike the present FPS caps that divide evenly into the panel's native 60FPS, where the game can draw 15 or 30 times a second, and the compositor can just double or quadruple them to get 60.
@@rhekman That's some great info, thanks you. It'll be interesting to see how the software progresses here. In many ways the Deck is a work in progress. Good thing it's so much fun as it is.
@@rhekman not that any reasonable person would die from waiting a few seconds until the display switches to 40hz. The only people I can imagine complaining about that should probably not even be taken into consideration by Valve.
@@lucascarracedo7421 smooth 40Fps seems visually like 60fps and save battery like 30fps
The fact that FFXV run so well in the deck really suprised me, it's crazy that you can get a nearly locked 60fps with the Average preset!
I agree it is a feat to run it, but it was 600p and he did mention it didn't look good.
@@MadViking82 Also valid, so nowhere near perfect but in a pinch and bored in a weird area. Still good enough to play it if you wanted, so fair enough trade off I think
rly? everything will work with lowest settings and 720p or less.
because Gaben (the CEO of Valve)'s sons plays FFXV so that why it tooks priority. cause if his kids can't enjoy the things he makes why would the general masses would like it.
Tales of Arise is exactly the reason I'm getting a Deck. Thank you for the info!
wow u tested a bunch of games that I ACTUALLY play or i'm interested in playing
very insightful tysm
Heya, as far as small UI stuff goes, I've found on desktop that using RSR (AMD's driver level upscaling for 5000/6000 series GPUs) can actually help with that. Because you're rendering the game at a lower resolution initially, it actually makes the UI appear bigger! Which makes system wide FSR another win for the deck even beyond its performance gains.
The thing about the Deck I like is that it is Linux, so any bug or technical glitch will have an official or unofficial fix more than likely. I think for more technically inclined folks like the ones not afraid of switching drives, the sticks when they break, and playing with firmware/software.
The deck for those people will really be a bang for its buck I feel.
I saw a video of a person showing that you can Dock the Deck and actually improve performance when you upscale the game to 1080P, things like that show the potential of the device
I've been playing with FSR on the deck and I've yet to use my dock. It works great to gain frames, and can sit in for antialiasing as well on certain titles. I typically do NOT use antialiasing because I like sharp textures and images, but FSR can get rid of shimmering pixels as well.
Digital foundry has done some testing with games and they recommend using the built in 30fps cap if you’re going to play at 30fps. Apparently the frame times are better and it’s a much smoother experience in comparison to enabling it in-game.
If you're playing a game with proton and you find the video scenes are missing or have no sound, it's because Valve can't legally distribute the compression algorithms for them. You can get around this by using an unofficial version of proton like Glorious Eggroll.
Great idea to use a single genre slate of different games, hope for more of these, thanks.
You can use ProtonUp to install GE-Proton (Glorious Eggrolls custom fork) to get things like cutscenes and audio working in Persona4. Other noteworthy game/s affected by include the RE:Remakes.
The main reason being Valve avoiding redistributing Windows MediaFoundation codecs they aren't authorised to, they're working on getting around it by re-encoding all the affected media iirc.
Looking forward to more Deck coverage (:
Latest version of Proton, fixes the audio issue in Persona4 (:
what the name of 0:47 game is??
@@mrjean9376 Scarlet Nexus, it's covered at 10:43
@@mitthjarta5 ohh im sorry, i miss that part, thank you very much
I think it was released after this video, but now there is an option for 40Hz (not only limit framerate, but change how the screen refresh) gaining both smoothness and battery life
My order is going to become available sometime in the next month, according to the steam page. Really looking forward to it. I have a beastly PC and a PS4 Pro, but I'm still very much a handheld gamer at heart. Growing up, I've always played on my DS, PSP, 3DS and Vita. There's just something about it.
Valve *needs* to add a "community covers" function/hub, just like we have artwork right now (they could tie it in!). Being about to set game covers from the community would fix so much and offer a wide range of variation.
Imagine being able to subscribe to a cover creator/collection and your library having matching game cover aesthetics! Would be a revelation!
Once Guild Wars 2 becomes available on Steam I would love to see how it performs on the Steam Deck. I been playing GW2 since the first beta 😁
bruh that runs on a potato, the steam deck would have no issues at all
@@bradhaines3142 It finally moved to DX11 but GW2 is very CPU bound and I'm sure it would tax the Steam Decks CPU, especially when you have over 50 people at once doing an event 😊
@@-INFERNUS- Gw2 ran on my Surface Go 3. It was on the lowest settings on 50% res scaling at 720p, but it ran between 40 and 60 fps, even with world events with 100+ other people. Steam Deck will do fine and i can't wait until it's available.
@@Teddy_Bear312 oh then that's good news it should run fine on the lowest settings. I was thinking in my head setting's at max 🙂
@@-INFERNUS- I would guess outside of Lion's Arch and World Bosses, a mixture of medium/high would be perfectly playable.
As someone who only browses protondb, I notice that trouble playing pre-rendered cutscenes seems to be a recurring problem, not only with the Steam Deck but with any device running the Proton OS. There may be workarounds, such as booting games in GE or experimental mode, or installing extra plugins, but it probably works on a case-by-case basis.
@@pcworld I just pinged you on telegram per your direct message.
@@pcworld yes from what i could tell these issues are due to video codecs which are part of windows media foundation which Valve can't ship for legal reasons hopefully valve can convince devs to use some more cross-platform codecs
RPGs was easily my biggest use case for my deck, and it's been great. Disco Elysium runs wonderfully, been sinking a ton of time into Planescape Torment.
Pretty much all the Soulsborne games run great, too. Bonus.
How's reading the tons of text in Disco and Planescape Torment?
@@stanbasov42 not bad, actually. They've both got size adjustments to at least some extent, and you're already holding it pretty close. I'm sure it won't be perfect for everyone, but it's certainly no Dead Rising 1 sub-titles.
That's what I'm doing all my Jrpgs and RPGs are going onto the deck.
Expect for big Gigabyte ones like Odyssey 100gb is too much. If the Rpg is more than roughly 50gb it probably wont go on my deck.
I bought the 64gb deck currently got a 256gb card in it and got 17 games installed. Got a 512gb microsd coming. Might grab another 512mictoSd later.
Another option is is to lower the Steamdeck's hardware settings to cap at 50 FPS/50 Hz refresh (or a bit lower even depending on your preferences). This gives almost the same smoothness as 60FPS/60 Hz, but allows you to keep other graphical settings higher.
Instant sub when you said FF XII is one of your personal favorites. Deff in my top 5 favorite Final Fantasy games.
Honestly 12 to me was.. OK.
it just kinda fell short in terms of depth to me overall compared to the others I tried. And the weirdly uninvolved combat system was somewhat offputting really. I basically didn't have to DO anything once I had all my gambits set to heal/cure all status ailments and constantly reapply good buffs and attack weaknesses :/
It was such an odd game in the series for me overall.
Loveeeee my Steam Deck also the game pass cloud app runs like a dream. I get almost 7 hours battery life on most games.
Another jrpg game for you to try on the deck that runs great is Tokyo Xanadu eX+
Also had massive issues with Chrono Cross but Proton experimental Bleeding edge fixed it.
When you say cloud app, do you get the app on steam deck? I thought you had to play it through Internet browser? Could you send me the link that you used please? My deck will come September so I've been just saving latest info
@@shan1333 Google it get official instructions from Microsoft.
It is an easy set up and you can add it as a none steam game.
For persona 4 try it with proton experimental or Proton GE.
This is painstaking work. Thanks man. RPGs are a good fit for portable play
So last I checked Dragon Quest XI S doesn't show as verified, but that may have changed. Either way, it runs fine. But man, what a beautiful game for the steam deck. For how nice it looks, it's also really light weight. And the steam deck has been the way I've gotten pretty far in it.
The FFVII issue is nothing to do with the Steam Deck. It's because, for some reason, the gamepad controls just can't be used to get past that initial menu, so you NEED keyboard input to start up the game. I remember having this issue playing with the gamepad on my desktop.
so, if you were to bring up the virtual keyboard with Steam+Y, you can progress just fine? or is it a whole game sorta problem?
@@bluegem8582 Using the virtual keyboard to get past that initial screen will allow you to play the rest of the game with the gamepad controls with no problem.
nice! You might be interested in trying "Eastshade" on the deck. It runs perfectly, and at the DPI it just looks incredibly fabulously.
PCWorld got the low tier job for performance on basic games vs switch. TY for the hustle.
Yesterday i read somewhere, when you go down from multi cpu to only 3 cpu in use you should sometimes get much better performance. Have no steam deck to test it
Would love to see an update for these exact titles... simply to see how much patches have improved it!
Tales of Arise also plays extremely well and looks great on the Aya Neo, despite the Deck having generally better FPS in most games. Looks great on either handheld imo.
I honestly think JRPGs is one of the most brutal tests for the Steam Deck since Japanese studios often don't stick to typical PC conventions when making a PC Port, often they come with all kinds of quirks, like fixed resolutions, limited amount of screen modes, framerates etc. I mean even looking at a new game like FFVII Remake, you can't actually choose between dynamic resolution and framerate limit, they are combined. So choosing 60fps will yield a very blurry image even if you force it to the new 40fps cap offered by the new Steam Deck firmware. The only way I could do it was to add a mod to remove dynamic resolution. Which is a shame, since it Dynamic Resolution isn't necessarily a bad feature. With that being said, I still find the Steam Deck absolutely BRILLIANT! :D
I got a steam deck today and I would like to say to anyone on the edge of buying it but are put off by these videos, don't be fooled too much.
What you see on the display here is one thing, another thing is playing it yourself.
On the steam deck display itself, in real life, these games, even on low/medium settings - looks GREAT.
Those final fantasy games always look great, last remnant too. Nice vid
we want more videos like this...please :P
Me, a Grognard: "These aren't RPGs. These are shooters with swords."
Bit old an old gem, but you should give Knights of the Old Republic 2 a try.
Running it on my deck feels extremely good, and you can subscribe to the restore cut content mod on the steam workshop to make the experience feel somewhat new again if you have already beaten through it.
yeah its a much better game than anything he showed here.
I really hoped that game developers would take some time to just add a "Steam Deck optimized" option in the graphics settings. Who knows what the future will hold!
With dragon quest, you just need to use the experimental version of proton and ten no problems. I was getting 60fps easy on that game, even when I limited the power by half.
Can you give some more details on that? I tried the Proton Experimental version, and still get 35-45 fps with settings on high. Even with everything off it barely hits 60fs, with lots of dips into the low-mid 50s.
@@poppys33d probably just a settings difference, I just left the graphics settings alone, so whatever steam or the dev chose by default. Except, I did switch to full screen mode, and tried to lower it to 720p res, but the game is still reporting a higher res. The weird swished screen and controls not working issues were resolved by switching to proton experimental in the comparability settings
@@JackOusley Nothing I do locks this to 60fps. Might be area dependent, as some areas are 60fps. Oh well.
@@poppys33d maybe so. I’m only a few hours into the game in the open world, been 60 the whole time for me though, maybe dropping to 55-58 for a few seconds because of my power limit
@@JackOusley Yeah I'm not seeing that. In some places my GPU is pegged at 100% in the opening area before crossing the bridge to do battle with the slimes (tutorial). Maybe from there it's better...
Tidus saying cold just instantly reminded me why I'll never play that game again.
Fantastic review. I like that you speak about settings and / or about quirks or control issues. Very informative video! Now I know, which games I can skip, which I can add to wishlist etc. :)
You deserve a 1000 thumbs UP !
Yakuza Like a Dragon was such a nice surprise.. figured I would hate it since they changed the game so much but now it's probably my favorite Yakuza game :)
Thanks for the reminder on Last Remnant.. totally forgot about that one and never got around to finishing it.
@@pcworld Since you have Dragon Quest 11 on the list you might want to give Dragon Quest Builders 2 a spin.
It's a cute spinoff from the series with some minecraft/survival things thrown in.. Really hope they make a part 3 soon.
Dropping the AO to half res in FF12 should iron out a lot of the drops. It's probably the most intensive setting in the game.
4:08 _Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission. We control the horizontal and the vertical._
your deck is huge
Big Deck Energy
Thanks for this video! I have been considering jumping into Persona series and Monster Hunter games with the Steam Deck. I may get a few Yakuza games, they look like fun!
With so many games that are still running 720p instead of 800p on the Deck, Valve should've just given it a 720p screen. They didn't even have to change the overall size of the device, just have the left/right bezels as thin as the top/bottom ones and you have a 16:9 screen.
Remember there's the emulation community that will benefit from the larger screen with 4:3 ratio
I've found the 16:10 ratio is really good for games that use less wide screen ratios. It's a great choice to minimize black bars in all sorts of screen ratios. Also, GBA games almost fit perfectly. It's beautiful.
But yeah, I think Valve had older titles in mind that only supported 4:3. Those games look way better on 16:10 than they do on 16:9.
...updated my journal.
Adam, great work !! Must have taken quite a bit of time to get these running and fiddling around with the settings to get a smooth experience going. You may be too young for this but this reminds me somehow of the Sega Game Gear in the 90s. That was too expensive and a luxury then, and for me this feels like a luxury now - but one I bet many will enjoy!
@@pcworld I never had either, only played on borrowed ones from friends. Keep up the great work on the show
Watching the video, The Last Remnant unfortunately had those "slowdowns" even on a modern PC, way past its requirements. Mostly during combat.
Also, as a side not, using Proton GE allows one to run basically all Trails series RPGs up till CS4, haven't tried Hajimari or Kuro yet.
there should be a button in every steamdeck supported game in the visual settings in game that says
"Steamdeck Profile"
or atleast the steam launcher does this automatically, instead of fcking experimenting all the time in every game.
I remember the good old days of portable gaming, like the nintendo ds that you could fit in your pocket. This thing is a giant monstrosity that eats battery so fast there is no point playing it unless you're near a socket, which at that point you may as well just use a gaming pc
Octopath looks like it's worth a try
This was the video I was looking for when the Steam Deck was announced
Literally most of the problems you had could be fixed with a little googling. Nocturne runs perfect using Proton GE the same work around also worked for Persona 4 at the time before it got verified. A little research goes a long way.
Just set proton to experimental and the Persona 4 cutscenes will play with sound.
Great compilation! Thanks!
This video and some others I've watched really have made me go like "That would actually be awesome to play on the Steam Deck". Absolutely can't wait until I can buy one! :D
ya the glorious eggroll proton fix will give games with audio issues a fix, haven't seen a comment explaining it tho so if you're curious its because those games use codecs that are native to windows and can't legally be included in the framework that runs the deck.
Planescape Torment runs really well. Didn't measure performance, but it being an old game, I doubt it has any issues - and saw none.
Two tweaks I did was bumping text size in game settings, and also remapping some of the default controls - although the latter wasn't really needed, just did it out of personal preference.
Any chance for an updated Video soon? This is exactly the content I was looking for.
So just to add to your results. I performed the same experimentation on the steam adult game section on the Deck to make sure it could handle games of culture. My results are similar. There is no rhyme or reason to verified, slightly verified, unverified. I found a couple of verified adult games I had to call steam and report as non functioning. I had many many more unverified run fine.
Glad to see you finally got it!
I wish steamdeck 2 with rDNA 3+RSR can play all these games in native 800p while at high with lower than 15w tdp.. won't mind the res stays low while bumping on battery life
You can also lower from 60hz to 40hz to run Games at 40fps or 30fps which will save so much battery
I find the non-changeable 720p to be a thing on MANY games, and you'd think maybe Valve would have considered the resolution when factoring in just how many games can't do the full screen without small bars. Other than that the deck is pretty great. Just need that dual-boot support!
Playing Tales of Arise on handheld is *chef kiss*
Me with a steam link on my phone: That's nice, but I like mine better.
Great run down man!
Great video! Thank you for giving us such a good gameplay sample of all those RPG games in a compilation, we love the format. Crazy idea here... The deck might be the worst platform for RTS games, but let's face it... We are all obsessed with good RTS games! Please do a video of games such as; Starcraft II, Company of Heroes 2, Age of empires IV, etc. on the Steamdeck. Basically, any RTS compilation that you can actually play on the Steamdeck, would be very much appreciated. And if the most recent releases of those games don't run properly, maybe their older counterparts will!?
@@pcworld You know we are just going to hook up a mouse on this thing, the second we start getting zerged, revenge! Super glad I found your chanel brother, game on!
use a glorious eggroll version of proton with the windows media foundation stuff. That often is useful for fixing oddball games, Otherwise using the experimental proton also often fixes that stuff with persona 4
This is really informative thank you. Rpgs is my favorite genre
am sold on the 720p
I'm so glad they added the 40 fps option. Seems like we now get a great middle ground between fidelity and performance
Have they fixed the issues where games aren't playing in the Deck's native resolution?
I get mine on wednesday and this is exactly what I need! Thank you bro
If you want more RPG's to try then Resonance of Fate is one. Also glad that the game that launched on the PS Vita runs well on the Deck.
I am currently playing symphony of war on steam deck and it is an amazinggg experience!!! There’s some VERY minor visual bugs that happen for a split second (I guess cause of the steam deck res?) but goes away and comes back like every 2 hours or so but last for a split second.. the game itself is awesome, think of it like fire emblem. I’m a bit addicted playing on my bed for hours 🥲
Love that game
I'm not really interested in portable gaming, but I'm mostly playing RPGs. And if all of those can run on a device like this, I should have no problems on a middle class PC with 2060S GPU for the next couple of years.
The Last Remnant is worth playing just for the soundrack... The gameplay is very hit and miss.
Resonance of Fate (End of Eternity in Japan) and Dragon's Dogma could be interesting to try on the Deck... Though saying that I only ever bought the PS3 versions and they don't play well with RPCS3... Not that I'll have a Deck until "after q3."
I think 720p is fine for a handheld console honestly especially if it helps performance. It's just such a small screen that it doesn't make a huge difference. It's truthfully the same with a television. I had a 720 TV up until just a year or so ago and jumped straight from it to a 4k so although yes you can notice a difference, it's mostly noticeable when you're right up on the screen. From across the room it's not as obvious unless you have perfect vision lol
I cant tell if you know about this or not because you dont show it off. But it seem like your first step is to lock your games to 30fps when they do not hit 60fps consistently. What you should try is lowering the refresh rate of the screen to 40 or 50 hz and lock the fps to match. I play most things using this and 40hz + 40 fps is pretty smooth honestly.
Great video thank you. Just got a steam deck abd honestly blown away that i have a capable pc of playing AAA titles...irony is, i now don't know what to do with it or what games best to play on it and yes think RPGs which i love will be the best way to make use of its portability
What this tells me. One update can change the accuracy of that whole verified, unverified system. And steam isn't going to hire an army to continually check. It looks like they will take it on, on a, by complaint, by game basis. For the decks life cycle. Which is why you are getting that survey when you close a game for the 3rd time playing on how it functions.
You should note that the current Update fixes game start issues. Plus the controles allow tremendous flexability to suit the user. This is not a regular console, it is much more
Shoutout to the syw mod for final fantasy 7. Makes the whole experience feel modern and runs fantastically on the deck.
Also of note. Both college kings 1 and 2 were having the same issue of crashing at start up. Called steam. They had me re-download both games with the deck plugged into power. Which immediately fixed the problems with college kings 2. But college kings 1, I've tried multiple times and it just doesn't work.
Какой ты молодец!!! Спасибо!
Наконец то обзор именно RPG. Все, почему-то, тестируют одни и те же экшен игры - doom, cyberpunk, witcher.
А меня больше всего интересовало удобство игры в современные, классические (командные) РПГ, такие как BG 3, Pathfinder, Divinity. Из того, что я хотел увидеть в твоём обзоре толь Pillars of eternity не хватает.
Эти игры долгие, в них больше приходится читать, чем активно работать мышкой и клавиатурой. А читать приятнее в дорогое или в кровати перед сном)
С появления GPD WIN 2 - я покупал, но не играл в такие игры, ждал чего-то более удобного, для постельного гейминга)
Спасибо за обзор! (like, подписка)
Успехов!
More videos like this one would be nice while waiting for the queue to move.
"a few things that need to be addressed" folows up by not telling them
I’m so hyped to receiving my steamdeck
I dont mind 30 fps, coming from a long time playing switch games… only games i do mind 60frames are on FPS games, off-line rpgs it just doesnt affect me to much
Fable 25th anniversary edition plays smooth no issues on the deck. It's the only game I've spent more than a few hours on using the deck just because I'm always too busy to play
Nice to see zodiac age run well. One of my favorite games ever will surely play it soon.
Looks like the Steamdeck will be grate to tackle my back log of JRPG ports. I'd expect 1000s of games to not have 16x10 AR if they are ported from console. If they do have it it's probably -H FOV and not +V FOV. Setting them to 720p might even help with battery life in these cases.
when you encounter some quirks in the deck try to Use another Proton on the settings menu, sir. it's there for a reason it feels like half-asses content again. anyway, I think it's still good to highlight certain games on the deck. ty
10:10 It's now listed as Verified and --crashes-- freezes after a few seconds of playing back WMV cutscenes.
However we have audio now.
Yes, having a frame rate that is the same as your refresh rate will feel the “smoothest”
I would have loved to have seen The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion and The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim and see if you can max out the graphics and draw distance on either of those classics.
@@pcworld Thanks for the feedback!!!
Most devs will not support 16:10 and if they do most just crop the screen. I would suggest almost always switching to 1280x720 for better support. This has the added bonus of boosting performance and battery life.