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How a single sentence in the Supreme Court's immunity ruling could upend Trump New York convictions
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
- Legal experts generally agree that the scandalized Supreme Court's gift ruling to Donald Trump on presidential immunity is not likely to help him escape his New York criminal conviction on the basis of trying to claim everything he did was an "official act," but a less noticed line in the ruling could give Trump's lawyers another opportunity. MSNBC legal correspondent Lisa Rubin discusses with Alex Wagner.
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#SupremeCourt #Trump #NewYork
Best "justice" money can buy. SMFH
The american people shouldn't stand for this.
Something that has been law for decades? 😂
@@jasonrod4523 Nixon would like his Presidency back then.
And what, exactly are the "American People" supposed to do about it? And that assumes that the only American People who count are the ones who want to see him in jail.
Having our conversation with your aid,, doesn’t make it an official act signing something into registration or vetoing something now that’s presidential. This is not.
Just vote!💙
Yeah, two tier justice system. If you've got the money, you can get away with anything.
If you are rich and WHITE they crown you king.
Two tier? He is literally using compromised Supreme Court Justices that are trying to create dictatorship in the US. That is an entirely different problem.
😢😢😢😢
@@MichaelParks-gs4yg You must have the money!
@@MichaelParks-gs4yg I guess you have the money to evade justice!
He commited the crimes before the immunity rulling. Doesnt that mean anything? What has happened to this country. 😢😢
It was taken over by a pack of criminals…..including the supreme court.
Meanwhile, the Heritage Foundation is a 501(c)(3) non profit , therefore in violation of federal tax code for involvement in the political process. Report them to the IRS
And what is the IRS going to do? Heritage foundation 2025 will appeal take it to the SC and get thrown out. The system is rigid and not for the average individuals.
Now let’s talk about the work of Democratic 501 c 3 s
Guess what??? ALL Political Action Committees (PAC's) including THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE have 501(C)(3) status. So what is the problem if the Heritage Foundation is?
Are you saying that all the Soros funded NGOs are illegal?
meanwhile millions paid to b i dens for nothing but influence/
Paying some one off isn't part of official duties and he wasn't even in office when he did it. So how can it be official business?
One problem is that the payment came during his presidency and the invoice stated "legal services". But much bigger problem is that prosecutor used the line of evidence that depended on official acts (which is not allowed in case of immunity) despite many warnings and objections from the defense team. It was totally rigged against defendant.
It isn't some of his aides testimony they say were from his time in office and he has immunity for it.
How can it be a CRIME???
@@mikebaker6288 Fraud is a crime.
IT WASNT
Main stream media needs to get the Epstein files into the headlines and keep them there.
MSM is too interested in getting and keeping maga cultists into their audience, so they are hammering Biden on ageism, and giving tRump a pass on everything.
Naw, they don't want the Democrat names in that file to be revealed.
@@Reaper-cm4jr or yomomma's
@@Reaper-cm4jrWhy not? Don’t you think names should be revealed, both Dem and Rep?
@@_Cetarial Sure, but the implication in the post was that it would effect only Republicans.
Allowing rogue justices to upend the rule of law is unacceptable in our America. Impeach them
ok how
I haven't seen a law upended by them. Just because you don't share their opinions doesn't mean they need to be impeached. If you don't like it, run for office, and put in laws that people actually want instead of whining in a RUclips video comments section.
@@ZetirixSame feathers corrupt together, Yes?6Yea,3Nay.Corruption.Yes?😂
Lock him up
Stop with the BS. None of us buys it.
Obscene... So now facts don't apply to someone, depending on their position, regardless of criminality? OBSCENE!
What do you mean, "now"? Obama deleted a teenager and never a word spoken of it, much less a trial.
it`s unconstitutional to submit evidence of guilt in a court case because it will make him look guilty. Make it make sense.
Expand the court or impeach Thomas and Alito. This is ridiculous.
neither is going to happen or it already would have
Both. And do thorough investigations into the other 4 liars on the court.
The US legal system gets more laughable day by day. Retroactive laws are a US specialty.
There is nothing "retroactive" on ruling explaining the basic constitutional doctrine called separation of powers.
In a similar way that Cases get overturned and people are released from Prison and now have a right to sue for damages and time served they were not supposed to serve, due to new evidence that came out or in this case evidence that has to be ignored or thrown out because it no longer applies to the case, There is no Grandfathered in when it comes to cases, In this case Judge Merchan ruled that he was Guilty of 34 counts sorry "Jury" lol, Now the ingredients used to make this Soup / Case for a lack of a better analogy were mislabeled therefore the Soup you were served (Verdict) is no longer The Right Soup / The Right Outcome for this case
@kudr66
There is no separation of powers. Now all we have to do is get the wrong guy in the Oval Office and it’s a dictatorship.
Morning Joe and Lori Klausutis's child would be 23 years old.
@@javiermigoya There was no “New evidence”, or any change in evidence in this case. It was the SCOTUS saying “We don’t care about guilt or innocence. He gets a free pass, because we owe him.”
Utterly ridiculous.
Campaign finance violations are not official acts
This is not the problem here. The problem is that prosecution used line of evidence that included official acts despite numerous warning from the defense that it can't be used because of immunity. Both judge and prosecutors simply ignored it. And this is the result.
@@kudr66 This NY case was held before the immunity case. So all these rules the corrupt s court made up are new and came after the NY trial was over.
@@CraftyGrandmaDem Where did you get that BS from?
Sc just interprets the existing laws. They don't create a new rules. And judge knew the law and knew that the conviction will be rendered invalid if he allows the precluded evidence. So don't blame sc for the mistake in NY court.
Thank you, Merick Garland for not bringing charges right away. This could all have been settled by now.
....How is the SCROTUS ruling RETROACTIVE!!!?....
Does the President live in a legal time machine ? Can he go back in timr to erase all of his guilty acts ? Throw the book at him. Let him spend the rest of his life in jail !
That's how laws work, genius.
Hopefully not, so barack can finally be charged.
@@Thomas-se7htincorrect.
How much money do you have? America has been for sale to the highest bidders for years, decades. Theres your answer.
Some ARE above the law. The mistrust in the system is only growing it feels like.
Should be pretty evident to everyone. Rule of Law NO LONGER APPLIES IN THIS COUNTRY! So when does JUSTICE kick in? I mean REAL JUSTICE!
Growing... Trust is gone!
Thank the supreme Court for that!!
Which is the underlying effect some hoped for... 🤔
I'm sorry, but I do not see how breaking the Law can be considered performing official duties in any way...
But the majority in the SCOTUS is their for one thing, getting their way...
Term limits and a Code of Ethics is long overdue...
This is insane.
At least in South Africa they have a constitutional court which is above the Supreme Court and the whole country is not held to ransom by 6 unethical justices.
you think it's ethical to abort a fetus because you feel like it?
@@levimogford3202 would you have the baby no matter what? It is a slightly more nuanced issue than just feeling like it.
Our legal system is a complete joke.
Using it the way you are is a complete joke
🤡
🤡
With the Imperial Trump SIX!
Just the some prosecutors and judges are. They have been warned about it from the beginning by defense team. It was their choice to ignore the warnings and break the constitution during the trial.
That might have been true had this occurred in federal court but it wasn't. Also this was still a private citizen.
Federal or state, it doesn't matter. And the payment to Cohen for legal service happened well during TFG's presidency. But the problem isn't in that payment. The problem is that the prosecutors used a lot of evidence that depended upon official acts despide multiple warnings and objections from the defense team that such evidence would violate his immunity. And because judge ignored all warnings and overruled all objections, the whole case has to be dismissed.
@@kudr66 uh no. Only part of what was used after it stole the election was used. Also the judicial system is not a legislative body of the government. Strange how most don't know this but then again when civics is only required for citizenship and those who took and passed would know this. It's way past time that the other two branches of government call them out! For that matter the Senate as well🤬. It's also a common misconception that the last word resides with the non supreme court. When you base misconstrued opinions on factual based matters this is the same as the military following unlawful orders. Seems like there are too many people who are willing to be complicit with this unlawfulness. This has always been the biggest downfall of the Democratic party. The go along to get along instead of doing what's correct🤬. No one wants to vote for someone who only halfass defends them😡.
---- < Also, as Glenn Kirschner of Justice Matters noted, "Trump wrote the checks from his PERSONAL check book. So, even writing the reimbursement checks from the Oval Office was not a core Constitutional duty or an official act.
@@jannmutube I didn't know that he said that. I wasn't aware of that fact, so thanx for the information😁.
@@kudr66 Like what?
The privileged conversations were not the only evidence. The jury's work should get some respect from the Supreme Court
Please do not let this happen. Have some respect for common sense justices. Trump is guilty.
😂😂😂
@ryblack503💙💙💙💙💙2
Send in the Federal Marshals , and lock him up.....
@@ryblack5032 Anti American fascist !!
They should do a study where they have trump supporters watch mobster movies/shows and see if they can identify the villain. Like if they watched The Sopranos for example, would they think that the FBI, judges, and cops are the villains? I guess they would 🤷♂️
I feel so unsafe living in my own country
Yep. This country has gone so far down in just three and a half years.
How can we be safe when there are people out there who are reporting hush money payments as legal expenses as oppose to campaign finance expenses to hide another unspecified crime? What has the world come to!
..and this is just a baby step, just wait for November on-wards. The nation is in serious trouble to say the very least.
Are you moving to Canada 🤔
Fracturing this country is exactly what Kim, Putin and others want to see. They are counting on it.
Hush money case was not a presidential act. He wasn’t even president
He was President when he signed the checks and falsified the business records - which is what is conviction is about... but agreed, not a Presidential Act...
Hush money isn't a crime.
@@mb9326 covering it up is
@@simonannemarierussell4147 Why cant you all see the left is tryin to orchestrate a global takeover?
@@simonannemarierussell4147👈 dem employee
Shame on those corrupt MAGA judges
Same for the Dem Judges that decided Scott v Sandford.
Merchant and Engoron are dems, not MAGA.
Oh we don't get what we want, whaaaa.
Lisa Rubin, exactly WHEN did you
Go on the take? You have been sketchy for months.
They need to “Stop” wasting the Public Officials time, with these, “Con artist” and Hold them, “Accountable” for their, Wrongdoing!
Yep. Biden needs to be put in an old folks home & allow a real leader to step forward!
@@user-ei4oj4eu2i We Winning ☀️
@@user-ei4oj4eu2i and Russian trolls need to be sent back to the Ukrainian front!
@@user-ei4oj4eu2i Speaking from experience?
@@user-ei4oj4eu2i and you can go back to kindergarden. Maybe - just maybe - in the next many years, you will be ABLE to communicate with others. But I doubt it.
Well we all know where this is going ,,,trump gets away with it again,,,come on people vote him out ,,,tired of trump ,enough is enough
Sad, but true. Uncle Don Don will likely walk. It's so disgusting and extremely unfair.
Vote red for president Trump❤❤❤
@@jeffhampton2767 did you read project 2025,,probably not,,your one of his poorly educated
@@jeffhampton2767yes, we will vote blue for President Biden.
So much gaslighting and dems are getting away with it again. The problem in this case is that judge dismissed all warnings and overruled all objections from defense team who argued that evidence related to official acts would render whole case unconstitutional and would warrant dismissal.
Your channel should probably focus on the Extreme Court and Tyrant Trump instead of kneecapping your own candidate after the primaries.
What is most annoying is these Media Geniuses are all assisting the Trump legal teams by analyzing all the possibilities to overturn these trials.
Billionaires have always run the show.
@conehead210 That's precisely what I'm thinking. We've got the right-wing "news" media worshipping Uncle Don Don and the left-wing news media spoon-feeding them analyses and strategies.
By playing Devil's advocate, they become such.
By reading from the defense filings?
Yes!! How dare they interrupt the fascism!?
I disagree with her on that one. Here's an example: emancipation proclamation. When that was given that blacks were free as slave it meant some of the previous laws that were previously enforced would no longer be. If 2 months earlier someone enforced a law and convicted someone, that was not overturned. The judge acted fairly according the law at the time of the trial. That's what happened. SCOTUS set no guideline to making it retroactive. None. If it's infinitely retroactive you can go back to Nixon and Clinton. By throwing the case you imply Merchan did something wrong, he did not. Don't give more power to the ruling that is already there. Even in appealing, they can't say he did something wrong in trial that's nonsense.
They didn't "grant" him immunity he ALWAYS had it. As have past President's and as will future President's. So he already had immunity before any trials. Supreme court interprets constitution law and previous ruled cases they don't write law, that is Congress job
He didn't always have immunity or scotus would not have a need to make a decision.
@@zk4761 wrong. The ruling was that presidents had it all along. Even though it was not clearly defined in the past he did have it at the time of the trial. His lawyers even argued that point to the judge during the trial.
The supreme court ruling simply confirmed the truth of his claims of immunity...
@zk4761 Again, they don't write law the interpret, and so the "ruling" is what is already law by constitution. Congress writes law. So all the presidents have always had this protection.
@@jeremiahchapman9288 exactly
🇦🇺💙💛✌ 🇺🇦 The world, especially Ukraine can only hope that Trump never gets anywhere near the White House again.
You don't want your war to end? How very odd.
@@kelperdude You want Putin to rebuild the Russian Empire, I get it.
@@kelperdude
Trump would end it - he'd just hand over Ukraine to Putin and say, "You're welcome."
Then he'd hand over all of Eastern Europe. And then all of Western Europe.
@@kelperdude: If Trump had his way, the war would end by Ukraine losing its independence.
So no, not a desirable end for Ukrainians.
@@kelperdude
they probably do not live there
If you sold pot and were arrested for it, convicted but yet to be sentenced, and suddenly pot's LEGAL... You would STILL have to face the convictions.
What you did was illegal at the time. The fact that it's legal NOW has nothing to do with the fact that you purposefully broke the law.
Bummer
Unless you are trump apparently...the MOST coddled defendant, ever!
I completely disagree with SCOTUS and Believe Trump should be sentenced. But Where i have to correct you is that, This decision from SCOTUS isn't stating what trump did is or isn't illegal; or it isn't stating what he did was illegal then but now now, therefore he's innocent. The decison made by SCOTUS is that, some of the evidence used to convict Trump is not legally allowed to be used, and thus this would constitute as a mis-trial.
Basically meaning, If the Judge in the case is not ab le to find a 'safe' way to finalise the sentencing then he will have to legally call a mis-trial. I suppose the only benefit is that the Special Councel can re-try the case instantly and just hope they get the same Judge and Jurors with common sense that know crime when it's told to them.
I am surprise Trump can just continue to keep finding scape goats and getting out of the grasp of the law.
Reminds me of the saying... "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool twice, shame on me."
Only if the vast majority of the American population could actually see their Cheeto King for who he really is.. The next Adolf Hitler... but more orange...
Wrong
That's not the way the justice system works there's statutes of limitations on everything including murder
Of the last ten recessions, nine occurred under Republican presidents. Over the past eighty years, U.S. GDP grew at an average rate of 4.1% under Democratic presidents, compared to 2.5% under Republican presidents. For more than seventy years, Democratic-led states provide more in federal tax contributions than they receive in federal spending, while Republican-led states receive more federal spending than they contribute in taxes.
I know SF skyscrapers are selling cheapest (like at 10% of the original prices). No tax no tax ..sorry to hear bs.
another sheep who repeats what's told..yes 9 recessions occured under a republican..now go google what a democrat president did prior..I'll give you a hint...fallout famous line
@@user-qv4ze8zm4hSo, fingers in your ears, singing "la la la" huh? Yeah. About right.
all lies, nothing but lies, forever lies
@@JonathanSterlingUSA tRump? Yes. We all know it.
I'm so sick and tired of hearing about The Cheeto Cult Leader!
if he loses we never have to deal with him again.
@@veilmontTVunfortunately he has family
That's all this place talks about is him and djt.
Hey on a positive note bidens ratings went up when he told everyone Donald Trump is his vice president. So you've got that going for you
@@veilmontTVTrump leads every swing state. He leads every poll in every category. His rallies are breaking attendance records in democratic strongholds like the Bronx.
If all the REAL Americans vote we'll be OK
There is nothing new under the Sun... it's just a damned shame that we refuse to learn the lessons of history...
Aristotle wrote: "We come now to a criticism of the Spartan Ephoralty, a Board of Magistrates which enjoys Supreme Authority in matters of the highest importance. It's Members are chosen from the whole people, with the result that very poor men often find themselves elected to an Office where their indigence lays them open to bribery.
The annals of Sparta contain many such instances, including the recent affair at Andros when some of the Ephors were bribed and did their best to ruin the State. Their power, indeed, is so great, amounting almost to tyranny, that even Kings have been obliged to seek their favour."
"Impunity is the greatest encouragement of crime"
Cicero 106 BC - 43 BC
ironically, this would describe Joe Briben not Donald Trump.....
This simply is an admission of guilt, you do not need immunity for things you did not do.... thus any one still lying to themselves about Trump not being guilty, you simply are un savable.
Trumpsters aren't pretending he's not a criminal.
Wrong it is just evidence that was not allowed to be entered.
It is admission that prosecutors and judge are corrupt. Defense team warned them that immunity doesn't allow them to use evidence related to official acts, but they rushed to conviction and ignored all the warning. So it was totally rigged.
“The evidence proved that I’m guilty… But the court shouldn’t have been allowed to used this evidence against me…”
The problem for Trump is that one isn’t allowed to use two defense strategies. Either you aren’t guilty and you(r lawyer) argue why that is. Or you are guilty but have immunity, and you argue why. You can’t claim that you are innocent, but are immune if you are guilty.
Another problem is that Trump should have put forth the claim that specific evidence couldn’t be used for a specific reason well before a specific datum set by the court. He didn’t do that in the NY trial. Then he could have had grounds for an appeal.
@@abrakkehakka1357 This is no a defense strategy but reason to dismiss the case.
I'm a foreigner to the U.S., but are one from a developed 'democratic' country. As probably with most people in every other country,.......ever,......two of our favourite national pass times, is to complain about the wretched state of our political system and the wretched state or our legal system.
However, since the U.S. slipped into the alternative reality of the Magaverse, what I once saw as outrageous abuses of authority by our own politicians and judges, now seem like mere trivialities compared to what goes on in the U.S..
Sentence him to jail. He can appeal while on ice.
That appeal goes against the Judges record and can limit what cases he oversees in the future.
I don't see how that ruling could upend ALL of the convictions. Most of what he did does not fall under the category of official acts.
So how about Clarence Thomas 2023 free yacht trip to Russia and flown to Yusupov palace in Putin's hometown!
Sounds like a fun time don't be so jealous😊
sc will soon be ruling, that is okey dokey
Prob dem paid for
@@jeffhampton2767 "Fun time"... like Brittney Griner had... Oh wait, I forgot, she has no control over US legal system and is therefore expendable.
@@jeffhampton2767What in the world does a US supreme Court justice have with Putin?
Corruption at the highest level!!
FFS!!🤬😤
😂😂😂
Your legal system was never worth much with its dependencies on money , skin colour and whatever mattered in the medieval times. But this SCOTUS... wow... incredible.
The man is not denying the fact of the case
Personal Business conducted while on the job is not considered Official Presidential Business... nor is it even related to the executive branch - even remotely. Its is an act that can get the layman fired from their job if done on any other job i the country. All it could possibly be considered is personal business unrelated to the executive branch or operation of the United States.
Stop your corporate BS!
We want real NEWS that matters!!!!!!
It's funny first he didn't do anything. Now it's oh he did it you just can't use the evidence against him
Defense team warned both corrupt judge and prosecutors about it many times from the beginning and they decided to ignore it. It is not that "now" there is something new. You must be one of those "don't know, don't care" ds.
almost like lawyers need to say and do things to protect their client, woah
@@levimogford3202 I'm pre law. So I know that. But there is a way to go about it without completely lying to the court
But the hush money was paid BEFORE he was inaugurated.
HOW SCOTOS SPELLS JUSTICE.. T. R. E. A. S. O. N.
How is filing incorrect business records an official act of the President?
The supreme court made it unconstitutional to even use evidence of personal crimes obtained from official acts, which is crazy. Like he could have personally shot and killed a person and can confess to it to his cabinet during a meeting and that evidence cannot be used, despite the murder being a personal act. Absolutely crazy
Conversations with staff , used at trial no good
Michal Cohen testifying to conversations of official acts of the President , example Cohen testified that Trump would pardon him for lying to congress about Russian hoax . It I should have not been allowed at trial, as well as others statements.
Trump asked for the hearing and/or wait till the SC decision but Judge Nercahan refused
The Judge states that what the supreme court judges said was unconstitutional!
What should be thrown out is numerous judges on the Supreme Court
I like how they eliminated the crime/fraud exception
Conversations about crimes is not an official act ffs
That's what I always thought!!
When will this CRIMINAL be held accountable ?
Sick system
They say ''Not all Republicans are racist''.....but I say ''All racists are Republican.''
That's a pretty tired talking point
you made the clan, though.
@@kelperdude they also came up with Jim Crow and fought for slavery during the Civil War.
Just a little bit of filibuster trivia with regard to Biden's best friends and the role they played in civil rights. The record for the longest individual speech goes to South Carolina's Strom Thurmond the Democrat segregationist that filibustered for 24 hours and 18 minutes against the Civil Rights Act of 1957. That was the Congressional voting record Civil Rights Act in 1957, which created prohibitions against intimidating, coercing or otherwise interfering with the rights of persons to vote for the President and Members of Congress. Biden once called Thurmond his “closest friend.” Now it just so happens Biden was also good buddies with former KKK member Robert Byrd that also just so happened to filibuster the Civil Rights Act of 1964. In fact, they were such good buddies that Biden gave his eulogy. Biden himself had very segregationist ideas on busing in schools and is well known for his "racial jungle" comment… so it's no surprise that Biden praised Strom Thurmond as his closest friend as they thought alike. Biden worked closely with his buddy Strom when he wrote his crime bills that disproportionately targeted black people. True story.
What about Joe who did not want his kids grow up in a jungle and opposed desegregation?
Who can take the supreme Court justice's seriously. As soon as their found to be corrupt they should cancel all their orders of imunity for Trump.
Changing the rules in the middle of the game to benefit one side is in no way fair. Presenting those arguments is a blatantly obvious attempt to sabotage a legal and fair proceeding. The SCOTUS decision should have no bearing on this case as the trial was well underway before the decision was even argued.
It’s not like new evidence has been discovered. Or even old evidence that is now allowed. Changes in the law should never be retroactive. If they were, you would have to re-try every legal case since 1776 in order to apply todays laws.
It is time each state nullify the Supreme Court immunity decision and prosecute the SIX justices for issuing an unconstitutional immunity decision that violates the core principles of our constitution that we are all equal under the law!
It is just the opposite. Look at "separation of powers" - this the base of democratic republic.
exactly, yet biden is a useless whimp and does nothing, he just came out with some useless campaign promises but actually does nothing about the coup in progress.
Everything is an official act, it's now official
No it is not you are just ignorant to what the fake news is selling you
There's still enough evidence to keep the convictions in place
Nope not official acts!
How ridiculous. A conversation with an aide is an official act? What act was that?
The act of BULL DROPPINGS !!!!
Merrick Garland is our Neville Chamberlain
Nothing gets done
The Constitution says that ex post facto laws are not permitted. Ex post facto means "after the fact", meaning a new law cannot go back and affect previous rulings.
this like W when facing one of his charges, had his retrumplican cronies change the law, then claiming that he wasn't guilty because it was no longer illegal. I'm trying to leave the country.
If Trump gets this thrown out I’m done with this country. Forget following the law, if he doesn’t have to follow laws than I don’t either. Seriously, why should any of us follow a corrupt government?
What country are you from?
Immunity is nothing unusual. It's granted to the highest officials all the way down to lowly police officers. The only reason it had to be spelled out for our president (whoever that happens to be at the time) is because no current administration had ever gone after their opponent.
Are you moving to Canada or Mexico?
The case never should have been brought to begin with you have hate your bias don't vote get deported with the rest of the illegals will you belong you hate your country
@@jeffhampton2767 What would be your preference?
81+Million VOTING for Pres Biden2024 AGAIN ❤Biden is Our FDR: Beloved President.
#1 Economy in the World 🌎
#1 Union Contract in History. For the People & the People have your back. GO BIDEN GO WIN AGAIN!!!!
Mistrust in the system may be justified. You will need to answer for this its all americans questioning it not just black or others .
The change of law should not be grandfathered into decision made prior to the change.
“Taints” his guilty verdict? Not because he is innocent but because he claims he is immune. And this is the guy you want to be President?
Because the corrupt judge and prosecutors ignored all warnings from defense team from the beginning. They broke the constitution.
yes id rather have the guy who can lower my bills without inflating my dollar be president, instead of the guy who's asleep at the wheel and being puppeted.
BUT THIS RULING IS FOR PRESENT PRESIDENTS AS OF JULY 2024 NOT BEFORE
Surprise! SCOTUS brought their eraser to class today.
This ruling is retroactive, it looks like there's going to have to be a retrial.
No it's not.
No it includes all presidents past and present, Matlock you are not
This ruling only explained what >200 yrs old constitutional doctrine of "separation of powers" means. This is elementary school knowledge. Only a fringe minority pretended that it doesn't exist because it didn't serve their interests at the time.
Given everything, if I were him, I would say, "It's above my pay grade," sentence Trump and let the appeals court sort it out.
Retroactive? Nope!
If that immunity applies also to President Biden, then it is time for him to act.
Biden can act within his constitutional authority.
He won’t.
IT applies to any president, STOP YOUR WHINNING, and focus on the facts, scotus didnt say It applies only to Trump. Its for all presidents. And he did act but failed.
it does apply to Biden, but do you really think he has the cognitive ability to do anything? lol
It wasn't the law at the time. Laws are not retroactive. A law applies while it is active. If it is repealed it is repealed for cases moving forward, not backwards.
You need to be worried about that sentence "He was denied due process, and his civil rights."
You guys need to make a statement about the things that you have said which inspired what happened yesterday. You have said outrageous things for nine years now, and they came to fruition.
If guilty. Change the rules. This is b.s.
But these acts were done outside his office. So this is a civilian act not official.
Trump thinks that his authority is still valid after removal from office, but it stopped after the new president is installed. Trump is a former president and listed as a civilian not a person in authority.
@@user-ew3tg7lf3wis it fun broadcasting your delusion across the internet?
biden 2024 blue all the way
tell me what specifically you like about Biden's policies, like what did he actually do that you liked?
Surely the doctrine of waiver would still apply? Immunity only attaches if the defendant pleads immunity at the right time on the issues in question. If the defendant doesn't, he has waived his immunity. As I understand it, Trump didnt plead immunity at all, or in time, in the NY hush money trial. Or if he did, he failed to appeal the judge's ruling that immunity didn't apply. Or if he did, he failed to appeal the appeal courts' rulings upholding the judge's finding that there was no immunity. Otherwise, the Supreme Court would have delivered a ruling on whether trump has immunity in the NY case, which the Supreme Court obviously has never done (its immunity ruling comes out trump's prosecution for totally different crimes in Georgia). Surely trump cant just start pursuing an immunity claim in the NY case after he gets convicted? The more so given that any immunity argument now cant plausibly claim the crimes themselves are immune from prosecution as official acts of the presidency, and can only claim a procedural error in the way the judge - who, to repeat, was not even faced with a live immunity claim - failed to make determinations on whether some of the evidence the prosecution adduced for context, in further corroboration of matters for which other evidence was already adduced, and which in itself wasnt even necessarily required for a conviction, should have been excluded as covered by presidential immunity. Not a procedural error to not follow the correct procedure for ruling on immunity when there isnt a live immunity claim.
Trump asked for a hearing or the trial to be delayed till after ruling and judge refused and had trial. You have not been following this very closely.
What I wrote acknowledged that possibility. I said that in that case, trump didn't appeal the judge's ruling. Isn't that a form of waiver?
@@davidloveday8473 you can appeal the ruling after sentencing not before
@DenisBurke-vb6vh actually, I've double checked and you are wrong. I'm right. Trump raised immunity in some way on two occasions in relation to the NY hush money trial.
First he raised a limited argument about some aspects of immunity when seeking to have the case removed from state Court to federal court. The federal judge dismissed that application and had the case sent back to state court. He found that the limited form of immunity that Trump invoked was unfounded. And he explicitly recorded that Trump had expressly waived any argument based on alleged absolute presidential immunity (the kind he is now seeking to invoke now that he's been convicted). Trump did not challenge the federal judge's ruling.
Secondly, long after the federal judge made that ruling and sent the case back to state Court, months after the expiry of the deadline imposed by the state Court for making any such motion, and only 3 weeks before jury selection, Trump attempted to invoke immunity both as a defence to the prosecution and as grounds for excluding certain of the evidence the prosecution wanted to adduce. Months out of time. And even longer after a federal judge's unchallenged ruling that Trump had explicitly waived any claim to absolute presidential immunity.
Details available e.g. in the exhaustive summary of the case and its procedural aspects on the Just Security website.
@@DenisBurke-vb6vh what you can't do is fail to appeal a federal judge ruling (based in part on your own explicit waiver of absolute immunity) refusing to let the case be removed to federal court, then fail to claim immunity in state court within the clear deadline mandated by that court for any such claim, and then claim immunity at the last minute before trial and expect to be cloaked with immunity. The theoretical question of whether or not trump might have been entitled to the benefit of immunity for certain aspects of the trial, if he had invoked that immunity at all or in time (rather than explicitly waiving it and then trying to back track and invoke it after the deadline has passed) is irrelevant to the soundness of the resulting conviction. The point about immunity is that it's never an absolute bar to conviction. Only a bar if it's actually invoked in due order, rather than being waived. The concerned individual is always free to waive it, as Trump clearly did here.
JFC! Such a happening never occurred with people convicted of marijuana offenses after the law changed.
No way!!! Was not the law at the time.
And then you tried to "unlive" him....
BIDEN 2024-2028
TRUMP 2016
i think youre missing something there buddy
He almost got a sentence today he couldnt come back from
Except you don’t know if any of that swayed the jury to vote guilty.
Can't believe this needs to be said, but thank you for not having a huge yellow arrow over the thumbnail, and for not being SHOCKED. Guess this channel is for grownups.
Mentally disabled grown ups.
This is now beyond a joke!
MSNBC is about as useful for unbiased reporting as flapping you arms in the air as the plane nose dives.
Sorry, we're not buying the propaganda anymore.
We see through you now.
Lock trump up now
Your lies caused this!
MSDNC has gotten so pathetic…once upon a time they were a real non-bias news network. Now it’s like listening to a bunch of clichish teenagers … 😑
This network needs to be held accountable for recent events
TRUMP 2024
One of my favorite MT presenters. I appreciate your in depth explanations of the law.