As a forsaken neon victor, I can say that the level is a massive nothing-burger with disproportionately hard choke points. I hate it. Bloodbath in all its hellish difficulty is better, and I actually enjoy it. Haven't gotten past 63 yet though
About Sirius: I had conflicting feelings about -Sirius-, I like it but at the same time my brain just didn't want to work during the boss fight, especially the robot. Like you said about raw memory, yeah, someone like Merg had a HUGE advantage of that. About Sakupen Hell: Didn't Noobas delete the level himself to bury the dark past rather than RobTop? (At least that's what SEA said.)
I think that IWBTG is loved by almost all the comunity only because it was the first platformer extreme demon, having its own gameplay in Nexus's channel
So correct about Forsaken Neon. I beat it last week as my 6th hardest but when I had started going for it I originally planned for it to be a new hardest. The level is just so... underwhelming
My least favorite hard demon has to be Warblade (get ready for an essay). It's a newer platformer level that tries to capture old arcade shooters... and it is completely unfair. There are several waves of enemies, and you can access the shop every 4 waves. The level tells you that to win you need to beat wave 25, but since you can only win in the shop, you have to survive until wave 28. The waves are also unfair. The level has you stay at the bottom of the screen and shoot upwards, space invaders style. The problems come from the fact that enemies shoot back at random, but have zero indication of when they shoot, and there's nothing to protect you. The earlier waves are fine, but as soon as you reach wave 9, the enemies fly really close to the screen, and especially in later waves, they fly all across the bottom of the screen, right above you, so it is impossible to know where they'll shoot. Worst part is what the player has at their disposal. You start with three lives, a fairly slow shoot rate, and low ammo, but enemies can drop random upgrades ranging from shooting upgrades, ammo upgrades, an extra life, a shield, one of five letters that when all of them are collected, you get an extra life, a extra time, point multiplier (because arcade game), coins for the shop, a money multiplier, a coin shower (turns all enemies into coins), and meteorshower (minigame that earns you a lot of points and lets you skip the wave). However, there are two downgrades as well, being drunk mode which reverses your controls, and power down, which downgrades whatever shooting upgrade you have. All random. There is even a mystery collectable that gives you a random power-up, which includes the downgrades. The existence of those downgrades is aggravating because you can buy shooting upgrades in the shop, but those can be downgraded if you're unlucky. These shooting upgrades can be a single shot, dual shot, triple shot, and so on, but it's not as though collecting the power-up goes to the next version, no. Instead, each firing pattern is its own power-up, so you can go from triple to single shot! This means you have to avoid certain power-ups while trying to grab other power-ups while trying to not die from the completely random enemy attack patterns. Oh yeah, and about those letter upgrades, you can and will get the same letter multiple times, and until you get them all, repeated letters do nothing. It's infuriating. What makes this level even worse is that NOTHING is explained to you. All you get are some hints in the shop that you unlock by either already finding the mechanic or by spending a ton of money on them. They don't even teach the basic fundamental mechanics of the level! I had no idea what the power-ups did, why I wanted to collect points, how to earn money (because you can only earn money via random enemy drops), what the time meant (I still don't know), or how to last more than five seconds in later waves. There are bosses which are big versions of basic enemies, and when killed, a big energy ball quickly flies towards you. At first I thought it was an attack, but apparently they help you rank up. Now what do ranks mean and how do I rank up? I don't know, the level never tells me, and I don't last long enough because I'm not patient enough to sit through several minutes of rng hell only to die to something I actually could not see. There is a tip screen on the menu at the start of every attempt, but I didn't notice that and even then only got 2 useless tips to appear. I normally don't call levels bad, usually just "not my thing." But I can confidently say that I HATE Warblade, and in my opinion is not only the worst hard demon, but the worst rated level I have ever played. Also, this was initially an easy demon for some reason.
I beat Forsaken Neon 8 years ago. After seeing this video, with my nostalgia fully kicking in, I wrote an entire paragraph about how it was actually a really cool level, with creative albeit gimmicky gameplay. Then I decided to play it again. 2000 attempts, 6 deaths past 80% and many, many, many runs dying at either the wave/ship transition at 17% or the spam at 50% later, I can wholeheartedly say that I agree with you. This level is awful. Before 80% it's just extremely inconsistent, and every single death feels like it wasn't your fault. And then the last 20% is so much harder than anything else it's not even fair. How I could have ever enjoyed this all that time ago is beyond me.
I absolutely agree with you about Sakupen Circles. For Silent Circles or Sakupen Circles V2, nerfing it makes sense because those levels are physically impossible. Sakupen Circles can be verified someday, and this level, even though it looks awesome, just feels like them milking the original to get a new top 1 instead of actually caring about the level and its history. Sad.
One thing I will say in defence of Sakupen Hell The hitboxes really aren't that bad Sure, there's a few random bushes that stick out but you can easily learn where to go upper or lower within the corridors and the resultant gaps are still a lot more lenient than 15-18 I've experienced a lot more pain on other maps
ill try to say smth decent abt the levels you hate cause i think its funy cherry blossom: a great break from how cherry team always seems so "corporate", its basically just them making a silly little level in 24 hours i can see how you think that this level sucks for being a cherry team easy demon that could have been way better but also cherry team has made some really really really good bangers that arent extremes like upscope which is medium demon so theres some redemption for that. sirius: ik sirius' bossfight is really dumb but isnt there way worse medium demons? also you cant really ignore how exceptional the boss actually is in terms of "bossfightness" especially for its time. its still more creative than many bossfights today. forsaken neon: uhhhhhhhhh.... gameplay is creative........... ok i dislike forsaken neon too i wanna be the guy: the better you are at needle type platformer gp the more fun this level becomes, trust. i beat this to becomes better at needle platformer gp and i hated it but yesterday i came back to it for speedrunning and it was way better aside from some specific jumps. its really really good for getting better at this type of gameplay. i do think its influence has been a bit over the top and less and less people are doing their own thing with gameplay but i dont think the gameplay style is even that bad. some people are already starting to get more creativ with needle gameplay such as adding wall jumps, double jumps, dash orbs for boosting, and even more creative gimmicks. the upcoming extreme "don" by tmco shows how needle gameplay can be very creative if done right! cant deny this deco is absolutely the worst deco ive ever seen tho lmfao sakupen hell: yeah i agree i cant think of anything cool this level did...... the moon below: broooo i love this level sm... the atmosphere is on point and the gameplay isnt even that bad especially if youre used to that kind of gameplay. yeah the dash orb is stupid but its not THAT bad to the point where the entire level is brought down by it to such a significant degree that i would hate it sakupen sircles: i honestly think theres worse. though i do think this level is just made to get sakupen circles "verified" and "rated" and "placed on the list" like i wouldnt say its the worst extreme when theres stuff like AOD and tunnel of despair that are just a nightmare to play i hope you fume (respectfully)
i absolutely agree with you on the sirius bossfight. i fucking hated that bossfight myself aswell, literally for the same reasons that you've brought up. however, for me personally, because of levels like clubstep v2 or clubatep EX i can say that i'd gladly repeat the grind for sirius than touch these two fucking levels. yes the bossfight sucks ass but it wasn't as problematic for me anymore when i just began grinding 50-100 runs, which is what actually made me beat the level within a few days
I'm just gonna come out and say it here: I don't like ISpyWithMyLittleEye. I beat it as my 10th demon, and I simply do not enjoy the gameplay. The decoration made it incredibly hard to see anything, so when I suddenly died to sawblades that you can't see because of deco, I was infuriated. Although, nothing's as bad as Impulse. Bugs, bugs, bugs... I beat it as my 8th demon, but the ending took me way more attempts than I needed because of unsightreadable jumps, and bugs, bugs, bugs...
I think your opinions are quite valid overall, but if i ever were to make a video like this my picks would be: Easy demon: sidestep What a shocker right? I just hate it because it is forced upon you in the gauntlets and the gameplay sucks. Medium demon: space battle One of the worst levels i have ever beaten. The gameplay is bad 2.0 gameplay and most parts have AWFUL clicks. Hard demon: Future Funk This level is only on here for my experience with it being the actual WORST experience i've ever had with any level in this game, and i've beaten levels like electric mine and space battle! Insane demon: 8o This one is very simple to explain. I'm a mobile player and this level has a lot of garbage ship and ufo sections in it and it is boring. Extreme demon (beginner): Acu I think i hate this level as much as i do because of how much people talk about how fun it is. When i tried playing it, it was not fun at all and i have never finished a practice run of it. (For gods sake, i've finished a practice run on god damn cataclysm and had more fun) Extreme demon (hard): Freedom 08 The song is SO GOOD and yet the level is just so god damn mediocre. Though this is not the reason i despise this level, it is because this is the best level we have that uses freedom dive and that makes me more mad than anything. Extreme demon (list): Hyper paracosm My literal least favorite level in the entire game. Everything about is some of the worst i have ever seen The gameplay looks like it is garbage, the deco somehow looks worse than most 1.9 nine circles levels and the song is annoying. This is the kind of levels that robtop rates, and yet phonk town and wcropolix aren't. I could go on for hours as to why this level sucks but i would rather keep it brief. So yeah, that's my opinions. Whether or not you agree with me is up to you. It is your opinion and i will respect it. Great video and i hope you make more videos like this!
Nah bro is actually based with 99% of the opinions ngl The only thing I disagree with is sakupen hell and forsaken neon but only because I've grown fond of their dogwater gameplay to the poin that I've convinced myself that I like it that way
Honestly I've seen a fair amount of people dislike Sirius, and personally I'm also not a big fan of the gameplay. The level is so popular, because it was something entirely new at that time, so it instantly became a classic, as it's one of the levels that defined the early era of 2.0, but at this point many other bossfight levels do the boss thing better. I think it's worth mentioning that for its time the level was very impressive, but yeah, I don't like the gameplay either.
As for the last one, I have the exact same feelings but for Silent Clubstep, not to undermine that accomplishment but the version we got is so lame compared to the original Silent Clubstep I know it's a list level and that Sailent himself nerfed it but come on man 😭 It was always supposed to be a frighteningly hard level, only thing I like about it is the invis player at the last maze and the "Bye bye!"
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m fairly sure there is a CPS limit on the demon list, so USKC wouldn’t get rated anyways. Maybe the CPS thing is just challenge list though idk
Reminds me of that one scene in Gravity Falls. "Well, time to round up the mob. *lights torch*" Glad you mentioned nothing about Tidal Wave. Even tho the debate is technically over, some people still are pissed about the rate.
I get that these are your opinions,but sirius is early 2.0,ofc its gonna have something bad in it,it is quite impressive that funnygame even managed to make the objects move like that at the time,memory moving objects is one of the things that made early 2.0 memorable,sirius has no difference
IWBTG's gameplay style is exactly what people who play fangames play, also the needle style of gameplay had nothing to do with IWBTG it did not start anything lol. As someone who actually can play platformers that are difficult, this type of gameplay is the most fun. You probably dont hate this style of gameplay, you likely hate hard platformers. And if you disagree, find some hard gameplay that you like. Most people who complain about platformer gameplay just hate struggling on platformers, which is why i am putting you into this group. if you do enjoy other styles of hard platformer gameplay I will change my opinion.
Ok no I have to back you up on Sirius. Istg that bossfight legit turns the level from a 6* to an Insane Demon, and it just balances out to a medium demon. My hardest is BLOODLUST, and I still haven't finished the level because the bossfight is so inconsistent and bad. I have always thought the boss sucks and will continue to side with you on such matter. It makes me wish it was done better because it looks really good for its time. (Also can we get a video of you talking about demons you like. I wants to hear you spreads the positivity.)
i remember years ago when i was a new gd player and the only famous level i knew was prolly like bloodbath or retray but anyways yeah i heard about -Sirius- and i found a level of its bossfight that i copied and added warnings too because i hated it so much (and i also hate the stupid hyphens) also W cube icon
Tell me you don’t know how hard that spam is without telling me. That spam is so harder that it makes the level top 1 by miles despite everything else in the rated version being buffed. You complain about the level being unbalanced but that would be 100x worse if the old version was verified.
bro i was looking at the gddl to see how people rated laser room you rated it a tier 8 bro 😂 i found it a tier 2 such different opinion (like no offence, sorry if you found anything bad if youre reading this)
Your opinions are your opinions, if I don't agree with them, that's fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinions even if people try to push you to disagree with your own opinions, and I respect you for sharing/expressing your opinions like this.
foresaken neon in my opinion is a good level the only part that made it annoying is the blindish jump and that entire cube part, everything else is fun af to me.
For me my least favourite hard demon gotta be the caverns: Boring ahh predrop that made me fell asleep every time i play it and the drop is so fking annoying you'll die like every time u get there also that STUPID ship just couldn't have normal gravity poitals so u have to memorize where all the gravity switches are, not to mention the dual ship physics sucks
Dude, what you put on this video are literally levels I literally love which are -sirius- and Forsaken Neon. Not going to seriously threaten you since that's obviously messed up, but I think I would have been better not watching this video instead🤦♂. (oh and also, I finally found someone who has worse opinions than AeonAir lol)
I was very much ready for the forsaken neon pick LMAO It is actually such a nightmare sometimes Although while the level definetley has its problems, I still love it (song especially >.>)
forsaken neon is a banger song but its one of the weaker dimrain songs out there (which really is just because dimrain is fuckinnn 2000s speed trance beethoven)
@@TsukiStuffs loool ya, I should go check out more of their songs, if the few I do know already are any indication the rest of their stuff probably goes HARD
was on board till the sakupen circles part, gotta be the dumbest arguments ive ever heard for a level being bad. Ahhh! this gameplay is unbalanced! *nerfs the biggest chokepoint, making the level objectively better* Ahhh! Why did they nerf it! That ruins the legacy! Bro. It's sakupen circles. Plenty of impossible levels get verified and arent rated. The fact it was rated at all is a blessing. The level is more fun now, so its better. Like, objectively better. Still giving the vid a like and subbing bc i liked everything else about it but the end definitely rubbed me the wrong way.
The only take I disagree with would be Sirius as I actually enjoyed the game play a lot and for early 2.0 I really like how It looks. A lot of the other takes though I'm 100% with, I will despise Sakupen Hell forever and always.
I'm gonna put some opinions here i dont know enough easy demons to pick a least favorite i dont have a least favorite medium demon so my FAVORITE medium demon is Well Rested I love well rested my least favorite hard demon is future funk future funk is an amazing level but it just makes me angry I don't know why my least favorite insane demon is also undecided because i dont know that many insane demons and my FAVORITE extreme demon is CONNECT
I can agree with sakupen circles I respect your opinion it's probably my 2nd least favorite but in my opinion Arcturus is a piece of actual dogshit the whole level is just fucking straight fly its like 50 seconds long the decoration is ass and in the mini wave section you need to click like two times since there are gravity portals that make it 10x easier.
0:27 even when I don’t agree with one of your opinions, you always do such a good job of justifying them that it sometimes makes me question or even change my own opinion, your reasoning always just makes so much sense
Your videos really remind me of Rivercivers GD videos, where he would just state his opinion of things, even if the majority of the community disagreed. I think that type of video is super rare nowadays. Keep up the work, I respect it! ❤
"its a memory section disguised as a bossfight" are bossfights not inherently memory sections? unless its one of those that mix in wkth the normal gameplay every bossfight requires you to memorize it, thats how bossfights work. ive never liked bossfights which is why i havent beat sirius until like 1-2 years ago but once you memorize it its pretty simple
@@NothingIsScary I just personally don't like bossfights in general it just kinda feels like memory gameplay without the cool factor and they don't even make for fun gameplay
16:52 so what’s funny is, this actually happened. A player named honor, verified sakupen circles 66p and then when he attempted the spam and first wave, he gave up almost instantly
honestly, influence should absolutely be a big factor in rankings like this, especially for cookiecutter extremes. (which you did factor in for, which was nice to see) but imagine playing IWannaBeTheGuy and being sad that it isnt themed around like the actual game.
no thats based actually. the actual iwbtg is a really neat game that takes a ton of skill and memorization, the perfect candidate for a platformer demon. meanwhile the level is just "yeah lets throw a bunch of hard jumps and call it a day." no silly retro game references, no funny nonsensical traps, nothing. this is one of the few cases where i think being completely and utterly unpredictable would be great for the level
@@TsukiStuffsthis entire gameplay style isnt a reference to i wanna be the guy, but to the infinite amount of fangames that it has which use the exact gameplay style the gd level uses. All those fangames tend to use the "i wanna be the __" naming formula which is where that thing is from. Some of the parts in these levels which have you avoid moving obstacles with a ship/ufo are also an idea taken from those fangames. But yeah, the troll aspect of iwbtg would be cool to see in a level
Easy Demon: Hazardous Sanctuary Before 2.2 it was a very buggy 2.0 level in addition to being unbalanced, now its just a subpar 2.0 level but still with terrible balancing (and probably still slightly buggy knowing how bad this level was for an easy demon to begin with) Medium Demon: Satin Honorable Mention: Labnity Just my go-to example of a glow level with absolutely zero playtesting and made for the sole purpose of getting rated based off its decoration. Its riddled with bugs and inconsistencies and has one click thats straight up RNG with like a 1/10 pass rate if not worse. It mercifully has a secret way that skips the last 20% but that doesn't help much when everything before it just sucks Hard demon: Elemental Melons Honorable mentions: Artemisia, Popcorn, Ginseng This level is the only hard demon to take me over 1 day to beat, the block decoration in this level literally kills you unless you do precise movements and its ALL OVER THE PLACE, PLUS it had a genuinely broken dual section which made me have to RESTART MY FUCKING PC in order to render it possible on my PC. Insane Demon: Wander of Thought Honorable mention: Extreme chaos, Planet Circles, love baba My least favorite level I've ever completed. The base gameplay is fucking awful and held together by silly string, there are over half a dozen bugs in the level reducing it to RNG and I needed to pray to Lord almighty every attempt that I would pass all of them. It has blind timings including one at the last cube which just adds onto the stress youll feel playing this shit, it has the most awkward transitions and duals known to mankind, and even balancing issues, its just a miserable shitfest left right and center. Extreme Demon: Sakupen Hell As much as I like this level for its intimidating aura I still have to admit that its absolutely grueling to play and is a level I consider to be my hardest even if Ive beaten two levels harder than it according to popular opinion. The awkward gameplay and atrocious balancing this level is infamous for speaks for itself
I don't think Cherry Blossom is that bad decoration-wise but I agree with the thing you said about "why would they put that random restriction" and "if cherry team made an easy demon for everybody to enjoy, that would be cool."
I mean at least the decoration for the boss fight in Sirius was cool for its time. You didn't see many boss fights in 2.0 that weren't just moving deadlocked monsters
Honestly I don't think IWBTG had that bad of an influence. I quite like needle gameplay platformers and I honestly think that difficult levels would've adopted the style of gameplay regardless. It's the easiest high difficulty gameplay to make and it looks broadly appealing to watch. As for the level itself, I beat it and I didn't mind it for the most part. The balancing wasn't great, but it's very far from my most hated insane demon.
The extreme demon picks are pretty based, I’d pick something like Sonic Wave Rebirth as most hated hard extreme because it’s just a redeco of another level. The point you brought up for Sakupen Circles is why I also hate the verified version of Silent Clubstep
nerfed silent clubstep came out before any serious verfication attempt though. whats more, it was done by the original creator himself, with the help of a few other ppl, and most if not all changes were done to bring the level closer to what was originally intended (namely fixing it on 60fps)
Is Megalovania by Airswipe a hated level? It's one of my favourites and I often use it as a warmup for harder levels. And just to preface it, i HATE memory levels. But this one flows so wonderfully. The attack pattern is so simple, it's hard to forget. its literally up and down alternating.
I think recently CherryTeam has been good at making non-extremes like Crash Game and Neur Absence (both easy insane demons that have very high enjoyments), but I do have to agree Cherry Blossom is awful. If you would like a hard demon I can almost guarantee you’ll hate, "Flow" is literally Ship but longer and a tier 14 :) Nice video btw
I was completely against you when mentioning Sirius as the worst medium demon. You won me over as soon as you mentioned Sakupen Circles though, what an awful extreme demon.
For me: Easy demon: Invisible clubstep (its the laziest level out there) Medium demon: verity (it looks great, but the last 30 percent are way too hard for a medium demon) Hard demon: clubsteb ex (its the worst expierience possible when played on 60 fps) Insane demon: stalemate (i like it, but i like every other insane demon i beat more) Extreme demon: how to platformer (yes its pain to play a level for 8h in a row, no i wont accept the fact that it got downgraded to insane because its clearly extreme. I mean just look at the last 200 stages alone)
Damn I gotta respect the courage to put out the Sirius Bossfight equivalent of Opinion quality out here man. It takes bravery for sure. I already knew we were in for a stinker after getting the two clarifications that the opinions are gonna be bad and, yeah bro definitely delivered on that hard. Overall theres not much to say about the video. Sirius Bossfight has valid criticisms, Cherry doesn't at all. But its all good. IWBTG complaints weren't valid or logical for the most part, which I get since this entire vid isnt made with logic but emotionality and irrationality in mind. And Forsaken Neon and Sakupen Hell were understandable tbh. Sakupen Circles criticism was fine. And other than the video being low quality ragebait there wasn't really much else to say. Typical. Nothing crazy or special, which wasn't tbe original intention anyways. Overall good work. 👍
I’m breaking the pitchforks Sirius is actually my least favorite rated demon by a good stretch THE UNREADABLE MEMORY GARBAGE BOSSFIGHT WHY? Another thing I love memory levels but this is just bad like Limbo is in my top 5 Favorite levels and it’s a freaking memory level
I got some picks of my own for extremes, so here they are. Easy Extremes | The Ultimate Phase Old unbalanced level with a hard dual ship part and a spam that feels like luck. First 40% is free, spam is stupid, dual ship has dual ship physics, Loogiah's part is impossible, and MaJacko's part has a random inverted slope. Hard Extremes | Sonic Wave Rebirth Sonic Wave but the gameplay is somehow worse and it's harder to see. Also somehow epic rated. List Worthy Extremes | Silent clubstep No explaination necessary if you have eyes that work.
My list would be: Easy Demon - Dilation by nampac Just a really shitty nothingburger level from early 2.1 with bad transitions, hitboxes, and chokepoints scattered around. While it may be a 2/10, it's still my least favourite easy demon because you don't really get time to form strong opinions on Easy Demons once you've beaten over 1000 of them. Medium Demon - nandertale by im fernando Only beat this one recently, and it's just AWFUL. Over 4 minutes of early 2.1 gameplay (that was made in 2020 somehow), super unoptimized, does the trope of blocking your sightreadability with subpar pixel art, and out of all of that, the best part is SOMEHOW the bossfight with NO INDICATORS because it's the easiest part to learn and actually looks decent. The endscreen plays until 99%, then you're randomly thrown out of a blind transition into like 2 clicks at the end with no indicators, bad hitboxes, AND it's buggy. I died here once despite being fully prepared and the level ended up taking me like 2 hours to beat. REALLY bad. A couple quick dishonourable mentions because these could be interchangable: One Space by Zoroa: Banned song on a medium demon, really REALLY boring gameplay, hated playing this every time I tried to beat it. Hot Dog Redux by kr1t: Self-explanatory, if you've seen the level you'll know what I mean. Windings by Rabb2t: I usually really advocate for map pack love, there are so many levels in them that get way too much hate for what they are (square adventure, pg clubstep)... but uhhh Windings deserves the hate :) Krakens Curse by FrostDragonGD: Old weekly demon that has a REALLY FUCKING HARD SPIDER halfway through the level. Also super obnoxious song, I hate Teminite music. Hard Demon - Sedulous by Samifying I was ESTATIC when you gave this mention in your list. I HATE THIS LEVEL SO MUCH, this is 100% my least favourite level in the game. I've had to explain why so many times, but put simply: gameplay that is insanely learny, inconsistent, super buggy (at least to me apparently), and is built through flinging your cube on the y-axis as much as possible is NOT the quality of gameplay I should expect from a super well-received, AWARD WINNING level that was made over the course of 3.5 YEARS. The fact that this has stayed in the GDDP for the entirety of its lifespan despite there being MUCH better flow hard demons (if you can even call Sedulous flow) is absolutely insane to me. Sedulous is only now starting to finally get consistent for me despite the fact I beat it in DECEMBER 2022. Also no, this level doesn't have some of the best decoration in the game, in fact I'd argue it wasn't even close to the most well-decorated level when it was released, and ESPECIALLY not for its time. Great song though!! Too bad it's completely associated with this garbagefest now!! :)))) Insane Demon - Thanatophobia by ARtu Always have disliked this level, and that dislike grew more and more when I started casually playing it. I wanted to beat this level for a while to prove that it was harder than Acu because I never seemed to get consistent at the predrop. Turns out that that's just because the predrop of this level is some of the buggiest, unplaytested, and unreadable gameplay ever created!! I have no idea how you mess up a predrop so much that even the teleportals, which are meant to FIX gameplay, ended up making it 3x as buggy and unfair. Also, the predrop does the most annoying thing that only I seem to hate for some reason, which is when the clicks are ALMOST lined up to the music but every single one is just slightly off in some way, so it feels like click sync but you have to intentionally click off beat. Me trying to beat this REALLY felt that, and while I would give this a 2/10, watching old footage of me going for this level and seeing how annoyed I was makes this an easy 1/10. Oh yeah and the drop sucks too!!! :) (but no it's not harder than Acu, I had it above for a while but I moved it down and it will stay there) Extreme Demon - Cat Planet by IcEDCave I despise this level for two reasons. One is because of the gameplay and experience I had with it, which needs no explanation, it's just Aquamarine but nerfed and really awkward. The fakes don't help and hitboxes are super hard to read while going through the level. Every time I played this, from trying to beat it as a hardest in December 2022, to actually beating it in May 2023, it always seemed to just get worse and worse to play. This took SO LONG for me and despite being like wayyyy better at wave than any other gamemode, this level is INSANELY hard. The other reason I hate this is because of the fact that this is even rated. This reason is mostly out of spite and kinda only applies to me but basically, my friend spent weeks working on decorating his own Extreme Demon NC level called Ringy Paracosm, which I was in call with him for around half of the total building process. The gameplay is VERY well received from victors (except for one I think) and actually has theming that most people don't recognize as it's kind of obscure. After being verified by SpeedyMuffin, the level just never got rated and mostly likely never passed the demon system. Only a couple months later, Cat Planet gets rated despite being made in 4 days with little to no care put into the gameplay at all. It's unfair and has always been unfair in my eyes and while it's not really the best reason to hate a level, that's just how I think about it. (Also these are all levels I've beaten, I don't really have too many strong negative opinions on levels I haven't beaten yet)
I only half understand why people judge a level entirely on its gameplay quality. The passion in nandertale and sedulous (also i love when the cube goes off screen flying) is enough for me to love them. There are so many worse, passionless levels that have worse gameplay.
@@dissmogaming1186 if you put THAT much time and passion into a level and it still ends up being one of the worst things I've ever played, then I'm just gonna hate it even more. It's a level to PLAY, not to watch
I’ve seen a few people put their opinions in the comments so I’ll just put mine 🤷♀️ Easy Demon: Horizon Zero Medium Demon: Biru Hard Demon: PG Clubstep Insane Demon: Invisible Deadlocked Extreme Demon: Tidal Wave Feel free to debate me I guess 😁
Idc if its funny but The worst easy demon I ever played was trump circles, it sucks, has inconsistent gameplay and i played for 2 hours and every time i got to the drop I died immediatly to the transition.
Cherry Blossom - I agree also save this wrld by joa did it better Sirius - while the level is visually pleasing, yeah that's about it. But for the time it was cool and playtesting didn't exist so I can excuse it Forsaken Neon - ok I mean it's a level uhhhh sort of widely disliked I wanna be the guy - same as forsaken neon Sakupen Hell - yeah this is agreeable The moon below - its Clair de Lune whyd they do that Sakupen circles - Sakupen hell but worse :3
For hard demon you are lucky you haven't tried classical by rayoriens, the gameplay is buggy super unbalanced and it is too hard for a hard demon (top 50 hdl) and it is a nine circles level which for me was an inconvenience since I had to beat it for the NCDL.
Getting my pitchforks ready rn
We need to exorcise the demon that made him do that
Pass one?
i'm staying right where i am rn
I lost my pitchfork, can somone lend me one??
@@masonroddy7447 ok
now this is the type of nothingisscary videos that immediately intrigue me when i see them
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As a forsaken neon victor, I can say that the level is a massive nothing-burger with disproportionately hard choke points. I hate it. Bloodbath in all its hellish difficulty is better, and I actually enjoy it. Haven't gotten past 63 yet though
am i the only one who thinks its one of the most fun hard demons?
I completly do not disagree but I don't agree either since I haven't beaten any of these levels
Your opinion on cherryteam making an easy demon is actually a super good idea to me as well
Hot take: I like Sakupen Hell. The 2nd/last wave especially feel really satisfying when you pull them off.
Yeah, until the community realizes that IWBTG had terrible gp, I’m not playing any platformer extremes.
I love the moon below and I kinda like Sakupen Circles deco but I get most of your opinions and absolutely agree with the easy demon
About Sirius: I had conflicting feelings about -Sirius-, I like it but at the same time my brain just didn't want to work during the boss fight, especially the robot. Like you said about raw memory, yeah, someone like Merg had a HUGE advantage of that.
About Sakupen Hell: Didn't Noobas delete the level himself to bury the dark past rather than RobTop? (At least that's what SEA said.)
Sea was wrong
@@NothingIsScary And how exactly can you tell between deleted by RobTop and deleted by the creator?
I think that IWBTG is loved by almost all the comunity only because it was the first platformer extreme demon, having its own gameplay in Nexus's channel
So correct about Forsaken Neon. I beat it last week as my 6th hardest but when I had started going for it I originally planned for it to be a new hardest. The level is just so... underwhelming
My least favorite hard demon has to be Warblade (get ready for an essay). It's a newer platformer level that tries to capture old arcade shooters... and it is completely unfair. There are several waves of enemies, and you can access the shop every 4 waves. The level tells you that to win you need to beat wave 25, but since you can only win in the shop, you have to survive until wave 28. The waves are also unfair. The level has you stay at the bottom of the screen and shoot upwards, space invaders style. The problems come from the fact that enemies shoot back at random, but have zero indication of when they shoot, and there's nothing to protect you. The earlier waves are fine, but as soon as you reach wave 9, the enemies fly really close to the screen, and especially in later waves, they fly all across the bottom of the screen, right above you, so it is impossible to know where they'll shoot.
Worst part is what the player has at their disposal. You start with three lives, a fairly slow shoot rate, and low ammo, but enemies can drop random upgrades ranging from shooting upgrades, ammo upgrades, an extra life, a shield, one of five letters that when all of them are collected, you get an extra life, a extra time, point multiplier (because arcade game), coins for the shop, a money multiplier, a coin shower (turns all enemies into coins), and meteorshower (minigame that earns you a lot of points and lets you skip the wave). However, there are two downgrades as well, being drunk mode which reverses your controls, and power down, which downgrades whatever shooting upgrade you have. All random. There is even a mystery collectable that gives you a random power-up, which includes the downgrades. The existence of those downgrades is aggravating because you can buy shooting upgrades in the shop, but those can be downgraded if you're unlucky. These shooting upgrades can be a single shot, dual shot, triple shot, and so on, but it's not as though collecting the power-up goes to the next version, no. Instead, each firing pattern is its own power-up, so you can go from triple to single shot! This means you have to avoid certain power-ups while trying to grab other power-ups while trying to not die from the completely random enemy attack patterns. Oh yeah, and about those letter upgrades, you can and will get the same letter multiple times, and until you get them all, repeated letters do nothing. It's infuriating.
What makes this level even worse is that NOTHING is explained to you. All you get are some hints in the shop that you unlock by either already finding the mechanic or by spending a ton of money on them. They don't even teach the basic fundamental mechanics of the level! I had no idea what the power-ups did, why I wanted to collect points, how to earn money (because you can only earn money via random enemy drops), what the time meant (I still don't know), or how to last more than five seconds in later waves. There are bosses which are big versions of basic enemies, and when killed, a big energy ball quickly flies towards you. At first I thought it was an attack, but apparently they help you rank up. Now what do ranks mean and how do I rank up? I don't know, the level never tells me, and I don't last long enough because I'm not patient enough to sit through several minutes of rng hell only to die to something I actually could not see. There is a tip screen on the menu at the start of every attempt, but I didn't notice that and even then only got 2 useless tips to appear.
I normally don't call levels bad, usually just "not my thing." But I can confidently say that I HATE Warblade, and in my opinion is not only the worst hard demon, but the worst rated level I have ever played. Also, this was initially an easy demon for some reason.
I beat Forsaken Neon 8 years ago. After seeing this video, with my nostalgia fully kicking in, I wrote an entire paragraph about how it was actually a really cool level, with creative albeit gimmicky gameplay. Then I decided to play it again.
2000 attempts, 6 deaths past 80% and many, many, many runs dying at either the wave/ship transition at 17% or the spam at 50% later, I can wholeheartedly say that I agree with you. This level is awful. Before 80% it's just extremely inconsistent, and every single death feels like it wasn't your fault. And then the last 20% is so much harder than anything else it's not even fair.
How I could have ever enjoyed this all that time ago is beyond me.
I absolutely agree with you about Sakupen Circles. For Silent Circles or Sakupen Circles V2, nerfing it makes sense because those levels are physically impossible. Sakupen Circles can be verified someday, and this level, even though it looks awesome, just feels like them milking the original to get a new top 1 instead of actually caring about the level and its history. Sad.
One thing I will say in defence of Sakupen Hell
The hitboxes really aren't that bad
Sure, there's a few random bushes that stick out
but you can easily learn where to go upper or lower within the corridors
and the resultant gaps are still a lot more lenient than 15-18
I've experienced a lot more pain on other maps
Tbh I half expected you to put Tidal wave as the list demon you hate the most.
How is I wanna be the guy a huge milestone?
ill try to say smth decent abt the levels you hate cause i think its funy
cherry blossom: a great break from how cherry team always seems so "corporate", its basically just them making a silly little level in 24 hours
i can see how you think that this level sucks for being a cherry team easy demon that could have been way better but also cherry team has made some really really really good bangers that arent extremes like upscope which is medium demon so theres some redemption for that.
sirius: ik sirius' bossfight is really dumb but isnt there way worse medium demons? also you cant really ignore how exceptional the boss actually is in terms of "bossfightness" especially for its time. its still more creative than many bossfights today.
forsaken neon: uhhhhhhhhh.... gameplay is creative........... ok i dislike forsaken neon too
i wanna be the guy: the better you are at needle type platformer gp the more fun this level becomes, trust. i beat this to becomes better at needle platformer gp and i hated it but yesterday i came back to it for speedrunning and it was way better aside from some specific jumps. its really really good for getting better at this type of gameplay. i do think its influence has been a bit over the top and less and less people are doing their own thing with gameplay but i dont think the gameplay style is even that bad. some people are already starting to get more creativ with needle gameplay such as adding wall jumps, double jumps, dash orbs for boosting, and even more creative gimmicks. the upcoming extreme "don" by tmco shows how needle gameplay can be very creative if done right! cant deny this deco is absolutely the worst deco ive ever seen tho lmfao
sakupen hell: yeah i agree i cant think of anything cool this level did......
the moon below: broooo i love this level sm... the atmosphere is on point and the gameplay isnt even that bad especially if youre used to that kind of gameplay. yeah the dash orb is stupid but its not THAT bad to the point where the entire level is brought down by it to such a significant degree that i would hate it
sakupen sircles: i honestly think theres worse. though i do think this level is just made to get sakupen circles "verified" and "rated" and "placed on the list" like i wouldnt say its the worst extreme when theres stuff like AOD and tunnel of despair that are just a nightmare to play
i hope you fume (respectfully)
My least favorite demon is Nintando, I've always thought it was bad
video felt like:
1: Motion by Taman
2: Lonely Travel by Funnygame
3: Sirius by Funnygame
4: Windy Landscape by Woogi1411
5: Bloodbath by Riot & more
i absolutely agree with you on the sirius bossfight. i fucking hated that bossfight myself aswell, literally for the same reasons that you've brought up. however, for me personally, because of levels like clubstep v2 or clubatep EX i can say that i'd gladly repeat the grind for sirius than touch these two fucking levels. yes the bossfight sucks ass but it wasn't as problematic for me anymore when i just began grinding 50-100 runs, which is what actually made me beat the level within a few days
I'm just gonna come out and say it here: I don't like ISpyWithMyLittleEye. I beat it as my 10th demon, and I simply do not enjoy the gameplay. The decoration made it incredibly hard to see anything, so when I suddenly died to sawblades that you can't see because of deco, I was infuriated. Although, nothing's as bad as Impulse. Bugs, bugs, bugs... I beat it as my 8th demon, but the ending took me way more attempts than I needed because of unsightreadable jumps, and bugs, bugs, bugs...
I completely agree on sakupen circles. Now that diamond is verifying sakupen circles again its not gonna be rated.
I think your opinions are quite valid overall, but if i ever were to make a video like this my picks would be:
Easy demon: sidestep
What a shocker right? I just hate it because it is forced upon you in the gauntlets and the gameplay sucks.
Medium demon: space battle
One of the worst levels i have ever beaten. The gameplay is bad 2.0 gameplay and most parts have AWFUL clicks.
Hard demon: Future Funk
This level is only on here for my experience with it being the actual WORST experience i've ever had with any level in this game, and i've beaten levels like electric mine and space battle!
Insane demon: 8o
This one is very simple to explain. I'm a mobile player and this level has a lot of garbage ship and ufo sections in it and it is boring.
Extreme demon (beginner): Acu
I think i hate this level as much as i do because of how much people talk about how fun it is. When i tried playing it, it was not fun at all and i have never finished a practice run of it. (For gods sake, i've finished a practice run on god damn cataclysm and had more fun)
Extreme demon (hard): Freedom 08
The song is SO GOOD and yet the level is just so god damn mediocre. Though this is not the reason i despise this level, it is because this is the best level we have that uses freedom dive and that makes me more mad than anything.
Extreme demon (list): Hyper paracosm
My literal least favorite level in the entire game. Everything about is some of the worst i have ever seen
The gameplay looks like it is garbage, the deco somehow looks worse than most 1.9 nine circles levels and the song is annoying. This is the kind of levels that robtop rates, and yet phonk town and wcropolix aren't. I could go on for hours as to why this level sucks but i would rather keep it brief.
So yeah, that's my opinions. Whether or not you agree with me is up to you. It is your opinion and i will respect it.
Great video and i hope you make more videos like this!
Nah bro is actually based with 99% of the opinions ngl
The only thing I disagree with is sakupen hell and forsaken neon but only because I've grown fond of their dogwater gameplay to the poin that I've convinced myself that I like it that way
Honestly I've seen a fair amount of people dislike Sirius, and personally I'm also not a big fan of the gameplay. The level is so popular, because it was something entirely new at that time, so it instantly became a classic, as it's one of the levels that defined the early era of 2.0, but at this point many other bossfight levels do the boss thing better. I think it's worth mentioning that for its time the level was very impressive, but yeah, I don't like the gameplay either.
you have to play it to understand the moon bellows dash orb imo
As for the last one, I have the exact same feelings but for Silent Clubstep, not to undermine that accomplishment but the version we got is so lame compared to the original Silent Clubstep
I know it's a list level and that Sailent himself nerfed it but come on man 😭
It was always supposed to be a frighteningly hard level, only thing I like about it is the invis player at the last maze and the "Bye bye!"
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’m fairly sure there is a CPS limit on the demon list, so USKC wouldn’t get rated anyways. Maybe the CPS thing is just challenge list though idk
Reminds me of that one scene in Gravity Falls.
"Well, time to round up the mob. *lights torch*"
Glad you mentioned nothing about Tidal Wave. Even tho the debate is technically over, some people still are pissed about the rate.
I get that these are your opinions,but sirius is early 2.0,ofc its gonna have something bad in it,it is quite impressive that funnygame even managed to make the objects move like that at the time,memory moving objects is one of the things that made early 2.0 memorable,sirius has no difference
IWBTG's gameplay style is exactly what people who play fangames play, also the needle style of gameplay had nothing to do with IWBTG it did not start anything lol. As someone who actually can play platformers that are difficult, this type of gameplay is the most fun. You probably dont hate this style of gameplay, you likely hate hard platformers. And if you disagree, find some hard gameplay that you like. Most people who complain about platformer gameplay just hate struggling on platformers, which is why i am putting you into this group. if you do enjoy other styles of hard platformer gameplay I will change my opinion.
Ok no I have to back you up on Sirius. Istg that bossfight legit turns the level from a 6* to an Insane Demon, and it just balances out to a medium demon. My hardest is BLOODLUST, and I still haven't finished the level because the bossfight is so inconsistent and bad. I have always thought the boss sucks and will continue to side with you on such matter. It makes me wish it was done better because it looks really good for its time. (Also can we get a video of you talking about demons you like. I wants to hear you spreads the positivity.)
i remember years ago when i was a new gd player and the only famous level i knew was prolly like bloodbath or retray but anyways yeah i heard about -Sirius- and i found a level of its bossfight that i copied and added warnings too because i hated it so much (and i also hate the stupid hyphens)
also W cube icon
question about the moon below, if that dash orb and timing was at the *very end* of the level, do you think that would make it okay?
is cherry blossom really worse than the nightmare?
ok i understand hating bossfights but cmon theres so many worse medium demons, even bossfight medium demons (high noon)
Least favorite grandpa demon?
Tell me you don’t know how hard that spam is without telling me. That spam is so harder that it makes the level top 1 by miles despite everything else in the rated version being buffed. You complain about the level being unbalanced but that would be 100x worse if the old version was verified.
bro i was looking at the gddl to see how people rated laser room
you rated it a tier 8 bro 😂 i found it a tier 2 such different opinion
(like no offence, sorry if you found anything bad if youre reading this)
wtf scary I can't believe I'm not allowed to like these levels anymore why would you do this 😢
I thought you would've chosen Still Life for worst easy demon
Still life is medium demon and not even close to the worst. The gameplay is ass but it’s a great artpiece
Your opinions are your opinions, if I don't agree with them, that's fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinions even if people try to push you to disagree with your own opinions, and I respect you for sharing/expressing your opinions like this.
foresaken neon in my opinion is a good level the only part that made it annoying is the blindish jump and that entire cube part, everything else is fun af to me.
Clubstep EX is a Hard Demon, just pointing that out.
i just hate demons because it takes me like 3 days to beat an easy demon.
For me my least favourite hard demon gotta be the caverns:
Boring ahh predrop that made me fell asleep every time i play it and the drop is so fking annoying you'll die like every time u get there
also that STUPID ship just couldn't have normal gravity poitals so u have to memorize where all the gravity switches are, not to mention the dual ship physics sucks
There’s actually a v2 version of forsaken neon that’s an insane demon and it’s literally just worse forsaken neon
Can you talk about underrated levels/creator in your opinion? Jusd seems like fun
vouch
Subbed before 10k
ur actually so based for those serious and clubstep ex takes
Dude, what you put on this video are literally levels I literally love which are -sirius- and Forsaken Neon. Not going to seriously threaten you since that's obviously messed up, but I think I would have been better not watching this video instead🤦♂. (oh and also, I finally found someone who has worse opinions than AeonAir lol)
I was very much ready for the forsaken neon pick LMAO
It is actually such a nightmare sometimes
Although while the level definetley has its problems, I still love it (song especially >.>)
forsaken neon is a banger song but its one of the weaker dimrain songs out there (which really is just because dimrain is fuckinnn 2000s speed trance beethoven)
@@TsukiStuffs loool ya, I should go check out more of their songs, if the few I do know already are any indication the rest of their stuff probably goes HARD
You should do the best levels and put sword dance by aidencrdbl in it (pwetty pwease uwu)
was on board till the sakupen circles part, gotta be the dumbest arguments ive ever heard for a level being bad. Ahhh! this gameplay is unbalanced! *nerfs the biggest chokepoint, making the level objectively better* Ahhh! Why did they nerf it! That ruins the legacy! Bro. It's sakupen circles. Plenty of impossible levels get verified and arent rated. The fact it was rated at all is a blessing. The level is more fun now, so its better. Like, objectively better. Still giving the vid a like and subbing bc i liked everything else about it but the end definitely rubbed me the wrong way.
Tha only thing i dont agree is that sakupen hell is an easy extreme,everything else is fine
The only take I disagree with would be Sirius as I actually enjoyed the game play a lot and for early 2.0 I really like how It looks. A lot of the other takes though I'm 100% with, I will despise Sakupen Hell forever and always.
I'm gonna put some opinions here
i dont know enough easy demons to pick a least favorite
i dont have a least favorite medium demon so my FAVORITE medium demon is Well Rested
I love well rested
my least favorite hard demon is future funk
future funk is an amazing level but it just makes me angry I don't know why
my least favorite insane demon is
also undecided because i dont know that many insane demons
and my FAVORITE extreme demon is CONNECT
Avernus joins the chat🗣️
I can agree with sakupen circles I respect your opinion it's probably my 2nd least favorite but in my opinion Arcturus is a piece of actual dogshit the whole level is just fucking straight fly its like 50 seconds long the decoration is ass and in the mini wave section you need to click like two times since there are gravity portals that make it 10x easier.
Hate is a strong word lol
u should try building a level
At least “I wanna be the guy” gave me a way to say I beat a top 15.
It was top 7 when I beat it 💪
It was top something when I didn’t beat it👍
@@usedtissue7489 13 when I beat it
It was top idk when I didnt play it☝️
iwbtg sucks, it’s the thing that started the “mini robot & spike hitbox precision” trend and it’s been super generic.
0:27 even when I don’t agree with one of your opinions, you always do such a good job of justifying them that it sometimes makes me question or even change my own opinion, your reasoning always just makes so much sense
my thoughts word for word ^
like the opinion he had about hell levels in his controversial opinions vid genuinely had me reconsider my take
isnt that gaslighting?
@@viewing845ok
@@THTB_lol😭
@@THTB_lolYou're just too traumatized
I actually like Cherry Blossom. But I respect you for your opinion because you’re being super fair 👍
I cannot help but agree on your opinion on IWannaBeTheGuy. Good lord it has made a lot of unoriginal levels
even robtop hate that kind of gameplay
Your videos really remind me of Rivercivers GD videos, where he would just state his opinion of things, even if the majority of the community disagreed. I think that type of video is super rare nowadays. Keep up the work, I respect it! ❤
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"its a memory section disguised as a bossfight" are bossfights not inherently memory sections? unless its one of those that mix in wkth the normal gameplay every bossfight requires you to memorize it, thats how bossfights work. ive never liked bossfights which is why i havent beat sirius until like 1-2 years ago but once you memorize it its pretty simple
Nah memory boss fights are the norm and overly common. But that’s just because most of them work in a similar way and they are kinda bad.
@@NothingIsScary I just personally don't like bossfights in general it just kinda feels like memory gameplay without the cool factor and they don't even make for fun gameplay
@@squid2039try scuffed its a medium demon with a non-memory bossfight
also change of scene by bli is basically a bossfight level
That dash orb is so funny how’d that level get sent 😭
16:52 so what’s funny is, this actually happened. A player named honor, verified sakupen circles 66p and then when he attempted the spam and first wave, he gave up almost instantly
i got an advert midway through the dash orb and it still had like 10 seconds left 💀
same lmao😂
honestly, influence should absolutely be a big factor in rankings like this, especially for cookiecutter extremes. (which you did factor in for, which was nice to see)
but imagine playing IWannaBeTheGuy and being sad that it isnt themed around like the actual game.
no thats based actually. the actual iwbtg is a really neat game that takes a ton of skill and memorization, the perfect candidate for a platformer demon. meanwhile the level is just "yeah lets throw a bunch of hard jumps and call it a day." no silly retro game references, no funny nonsensical traps, nothing. this is one of the few cases where i think being completely and utterly unpredictable would be great for the level
@@TsukiStuffsthis entire gameplay style isnt a reference to i wanna be the guy, but to the infinite amount of fangames that it has which use the exact gameplay style the gd level uses. All those fangames tend to use the "i wanna be the __" naming formula which is where that thing is from. Some of the parts in these levels which have you avoid moving obstacles with a ship/ufo are also an idea taken from those fangames. But yeah, the troll aspect of iwbtg would be cool to see in a level
@@nubert2036 that level basically exists already at least from what you described, it’s a medium demon called I wanna be the GDash
@@qKitti ? I dont understand. What level?
@@nubert2036can you read?
Easy Demon:
Hazardous Sanctuary
Before 2.2 it was a very buggy 2.0 level in addition to being unbalanced, now its just a subpar 2.0 level but still with terrible balancing (and probably still slightly buggy knowing how bad this level was for an easy demon to begin with)
Medium Demon:
Satin
Honorable Mention: Labnity
Just my go-to example of a glow level with absolutely zero playtesting and made for the sole purpose of getting rated based off its decoration. Its riddled with bugs and inconsistencies and has one click thats straight up RNG with like a 1/10 pass rate if not worse. It mercifully has a secret way that skips the last 20% but that doesn't help much when everything before it just sucks
Hard demon:
Elemental Melons
Honorable mentions: Artemisia, Popcorn, Ginseng
This level is the only hard demon to take me over 1 day to beat, the block decoration in this level literally kills you unless you do precise movements and its ALL OVER THE PLACE, PLUS it had a genuinely broken dual section which made me have to RESTART MY FUCKING PC in order to render it possible on my PC.
Insane Demon:
Wander of Thought
Honorable mention: Extreme chaos, Planet Circles, love baba
My least favorite level I've ever completed. The base gameplay is fucking awful and held together by silly string, there are over half a dozen bugs in the level reducing it to RNG and I needed to pray to Lord almighty every attempt that I would pass all of them. It has blind timings including one at the last cube which just adds onto the stress youll feel playing this shit, it has the most awkward transitions and duals known to mankind, and even balancing issues, its just a miserable shitfest left right and center.
Extreme Demon:
Sakupen Hell
As much as I like this level for its intimidating aura I still have to admit that its absolutely grueling to play and is a level I consider to be my hardest even if Ive beaten two levels harder than it according to popular opinion. The awkward gameplay and atrocious balancing this level is infamous for speaks for itself
I don't think Cherry Blossom is that bad decoration-wise but I agree with the thing you said about "why would they put that random restriction" and "if cherry team made an easy demon for everybody to enjoy, that would be cool."
4:06 cherry team did that already with binary life
if these are your most hated levels then you clearly haven't played enough levels
Omg hi insidius
lmfao true
thats what i was thinking !!!!!
I mean at least the decoration for the boss fight in Sirius was cool for its time. You didn't see many boss fights in 2.0 that weren't just moving deadlocked monsters
personally i think the best 2.0 bossfight level is Spacelocked
granted that's also just my favorite demon in general
@@TsukiStuffs I totally agree. But both levels did a lot more than just deadlocked monsters
@@giggonszo5399 indeed. the only thing is that while Sirius looks stunning even to this day it just is not fun to play in the slightest
@@TsukiStuffs Eh it’s pretty bad
@@giggonszo5399 i dont really dislike sirius i just dont like actually playing it
Honestly I don't think IWBTG had that bad of an influence. I quite like needle gameplay platformers and I honestly think that difficult levels would've adopted the style of gameplay regardless. It's the easiest high difficulty gameplay to make and it looks broadly appealing to watch.
As for the level itself, I beat it and I didn't mind it for the most part. The balancing wasn't great, but it's very far from my most hated insane demon.
Your not alone bro, Sirius is my least favorite level too bro
It’s not just my least favourite, but I think it’s the most garbage level in the entire game and the developers made it with their feet
The extreme demon picks are pretty based, I’d pick something like Sonic Wave Rebirth as most hated hard extreme because it’s just a redeco of another level. The point you brought up for Sakupen Circles is why I also hate the verified version of Silent Clubstep
nerfed silent clubstep came out before any serious verfication attempt though. whats more, it was done by the original creator himself, with the help of a few other ppl, and most if not all changes were done to bring the level closer to what was originally intended (namely fixing it on 60fps)
i had garbage experiences with almost every level you mentioned ur so based
I hate Sirius too, mainly cause I can't search for it :3
Now I understand why people say your opinions are bad
you ignored two, TWO clarifications
True...
@@s.s8208 ?
I watched the whole video bruh
?? dont get me wrong but i agree with his opinions except sirius
@idontevenknow3456 yeah it’s not a good boss fight, but it was early 2.0. It’s overrated but it’s nowhere near hate-able, RUclipsr just a baby
Is Megalovania by Airswipe a hated level? It's one of my favourites and I often use it as a warmup for harder levels. And just to preface it, i HATE memory levels. But this one flows so wonderfully. The attack pattern is so simple, it's hard to forget. its literally up and down alternating.
Nah bro it's shit
I think recently CherryTeam has been good at making non-extremes like Crash Game and Neur Absence (both easy insane demons that have very high enjoyments), but I do have to agree Cherry Blossom is awful.
If you would like a hard demon I can almost guarantee you’ll hate, "Flow" is literally Ship but longer and a tier 14 :)
Nice video btw
I was completely against you when mentioning Sirius as the worst medium demon. You won me over as soon as you mentioned Sakupen Circles though, what an awful extreme demon.
For me:
Easy demon: Invisible clubstep (its the laziest level out there)
Medium demon: verity (it looks great, but the last 30 percent are way too hard for a medium demon)
Hard demon: clubsteb ex (its the worst expierience possible when played on 60 fps)
Insane demon: stalemate (i like it, but i like every other insane demon i beat more)
Extreme demon: how to platformer (yes its pain to play a level for 8h in a row, no i wont accept the fact that it got downgraded to insane because its clearly extreme. I mean just look at the last 200 stages alone)
Damn I gotta respect the courage to put out the Sirius Bossfight equivalent of Opinion quality out here man. It takes bravery for sure. I already knew we were in for a stinker after getting the two clarifications that the opinions are gonna be bad and, yeah bro definitely delivered on that hard.
Overall theres not much to say about the video. Sirius Bossfight has valid criticisms, Cherry doesn't at all. But its all good.
IWBTG complaints weren't valid or logical for the most part, which I get since this entire vid isnt made with logic but emotionality and irrationality in mind. And Forsaken Neon and Sakupen Hell were understandable tbh.
Sakupen Circles criticism was fine. And other than the video being low quality ragebait there wasn't really much else to say. Typical. Nothing crazy or special, which wasn't tbe original intention anyways. Overall good work. 👍
The Moon Below is peak wtf, the super long dash orb is for the atmosphere.
I agree with the fact that the bossfight in Sirius is kind of trash gameplay but COME ON
Balls
I’m breaking the pitchforks Sirius is actually my least favorite rated demon by a good stretch THE UNREADABLE MEMORY GARBAGE BOSSFIGHT WHY? Another thing I love memory levels but this is just bad like Limbo is in my top 5 Favorite levels and it’s a freaking memory level
I got some picks of my own for extremes, so here they are.
Easy Extremes | The Ultimate Phase
Old unbalanced level with a hard dual ship part and a spam that feels like luck. First 40% is free, spam is stupid, dual ship has dual ship physics, Loogiah's part is impossible, and MaJacko's part has a random inverted slope.
Hard Extremes | Sonic Wave Rebirth
Sonic Wave but the gameplay is somehow worse and it's harder to see. Also somehow epic rated.
List Worthy Extremes | Silent clubstep
No explaination necessary if you have eyes that work.
Sonic wave rebirth I love more than any other sonic wave level honestly.
My list would be:
Easy Demon - Dilation by nampac
Just a really shitty nothingburger level from early 2.1 with bad transitions, hitboxes, and chokepoints scattered around. While it may be a 2/10, it's still my least favourite easy demon because you don't really get time to form strong opinions on Easy Demons once you've beaten over 1000 of them.
Medium Demon - nandertale by im fernando
Only beat this one recently, and it's just AWFUL. Over 4 minutes of early 2.1 gameplay (that was made in 2020 somehow), super unoptimized, does the trope of blocking your sightreadability with subpar pixel art, and out of all of that, the best part is SOMEHOW the bossfight with NO INDICATORS because it's the easiest part to learn and actually looks decent. The endscreen plays until 99%, then you're randomly thrown out of a blind transition into like 2 clicks at the end with no indicators, bad hitboxes, AND it's buggy. I died here once despite being fully prepared and the level ended up taking me like 2 hours to beat. REALLY bad.
A couple quick dishonourable mentions because these could be interchangable:
One Space by Zoroa: Banned song on a medium demon, really REALLY boring gameplay, hated playing this every time I tried to beat it.
Hot Dog Redux by kr1t: Self-explanatory, if you've seen the level you'll know what I mean.
Windings by Rabb2t: I usually really advocate for map pack love, there are so many levels in them that get way too much hate for what they are (square adventure, pg clubstep)... but uhhh Windings deserves the hate :)
Krakens Curse by FrostDragonGD: Old weekly demon that has a REALLY FUCKING HARD SPIDER halfway through the level. Also super obnoxious song, I hate Teminite music.
Hard Demon - Sedulous by Samifying
I was ESTATIC when you gave this mention in your list. I HATE THIS LEVEL SO MUCH, this is 100% my least favourite level in the game. I've had to explain why so many times, but put simply: gameplay that is insanely learny, inconsistent, super buggy (at least to me apparently), and is built through flinging your cube on the y-axis as much as possible is NOT the quality of gameplay I should expect from a super well-received, AWARD WINNING level that was made over the course of 3.5 YEARS. The fact that this has stayed in the GDDP for the entirety of its lifespan despite there being MUCH better flow hard demons (if you can even call Sedulous flow) is absolutely insane to me. Sedulous is only now starting to finally get consistent for me despite the fact I beat it in DECEMBER 2022. Also no, this level doesn't have some of the best decoration in the game, in fact I'd argue it wasn't even close to the most well-decorated level when it was released, and ESPECIALLY not for its time. Great song though!! Too bad it's completely associated with this garbagefest now!! :))))
Insane Demon - Thanatophobia by ARtu
Always have disliked this level, and that dislike grew more and more when I started casually playing it. I wanted to beat this level for a while to prove that it was harder than Acu because I never seemed to get consistent at the predrop. Turns out that that's just because the predrop of this level is some of the buggiest, unplaytested, and unreadable gameplay ever created!! I have no idea how you mess up a predrop so much that even the teleportals, which are meant to FIX gameplay, ended up making it 3x as buggy and unfair. Also, the predrop does the most annoying thing that only I seem to hate for some reason, which is when the clicks are ALMOST lined up to the music but every single one is just slightly off in some way, so it feels like click sync but you have to intentionally click off beat. Me trying to beat this REALLY felt that, and while I would give this a 2/10, watching old footage of me going for this level and seeing how annoyed I was makes this an easy 1/10. Oh yeah and the drop sucks too!!! :)
(but no it's not harder than Acu, I had it above for a while but I moved it down and it will stay there)
Extreme Demon - Cat Planet by IcEDCave
I despise this level for two reasons. One is because of the gameplay and experience I had with it, which needs no explanation, it's just Aquamarine but nerfed and really awkward. The fakes don't help and hitboxes are super hard to read while going through the level. Every time I played this, from trying to beat it as a hardest in December 2022, to actually beating it in May 2023, it always seemed to just get worse and worse to play. This took SO LONG for me and despite being like wayyyy better at wave than any other gamemode, this level is INSANELY hard. The other reason I hate this is because of the fact that this is even rated. This reason is mostly out of spite and kinda only applies to me but basically, my friend spent weeks working on decorating his own Extreme Demon NC level called Ringy Paracosm, which I was in call with him for around half of the total building process. The gameplay is VERY well received from victors (except for one I think) and actually has theming that most people don't recognize as it's kind of obscure. After being verified by SpeedyMuffin, the level just never got rated and mostly likely never passed the demon system. Only a couple months later, Cat Planet gets rated despite being made in 4 days with little to no care put into the gameplay at all. It's unfair and has always been unfair in my eyes and while it's not really the best reason to hate a level, that's just how I think about it.
(Also these are all levels I've beaten, I don't really have too many strong negative opinions on levels I haven't beaten yet)
EXTREMELY RTRUE!!! EXTERMELY !!! :3
I only half understand why people judge a level entirely on its gameplay quality. The passion in nandertale and sedulous (also i love when the cube goes off screen flying) is enough for me to love them. There are so many worse, passionless levels that have worse gameplay.
@@dissmogaming1186 if you put THAT much time and passion into a level and it still ends up being one of the worst things I've ever played, then I'm just gonna hate it even more. It's a level to PLAY, not to watch
I’ve seen a few people put their opinions in the comments so I’ll just put mine 🤷♀️
Easy Demon: Horizon Zero
Medium Demon: Biru
Hard Demon: PG Clubstep
Insane Demon: Invisible Deadlocked
Extreme Demon: Tidal Wave
Feel free to debate me I guess 😁
Idc if its funny but The worst easy demon I ever played was trump circles, it sucks, has inconsistent gameplay and i played for 2 hours and every time i got to the drop I died immediatly to the transition.
Cherry Blossom - I agree also save this wrld by joa did it better
Sirius - while the level is visually pleasing, yeah that's about it. But for the time it was cool and playtesting didn't exist so I can excuse it
Forsaken Neon - ok I mean it's a level uhhhh sort of widely disliked
I wanna be the guy - same as forsaken neon
Sakupen Hell - yeah this is agreeable
The moon below - its Clair de Lune whyd they do that
Sakupen circles - Sakupen hell but worse :3
For hard demon you are lucky you haven't tried classical by rayoriens, the gameplay is buggy super unbalanced and it is too hard for a hard demon (top 50 hdl) and it is a nine circles level which for me was an inconvenience since I had to beat it for the NCDL.
you are absolutely right about sirius. Visually speaking it's a masterpiece but the gameplay is horrendous.
17:10
BASED!!!
I agree with everything but sedulous, sedulous is fun (I like that type of gameplay) and the deco is great