I turned my Xbox Series S into a Win98 Retro PC | MVG
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I was bored over the weekend and turned my Xbox Series S into a fully functional Windows 98 Retro Gaming PC. Check out how I set it all up in todays episode.
TimeStamps:
00:00-01:09 - Intro
01:10-02:21 - Sponsor
02:22-06:57 - How it works and limitation
06:58-09:24 - Set up and performance
09:25-12:46 - Connecting an old CRT display and final thoughts
12:47-14:37 - Outro
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2003: Wow, I can emulate console games on PC.
2023: Wow I can emulate PCs on my console.
Lol so true, best comment right here
2043: Wow, I can emulate both in a web browser on my smartphone*! By the way, what even is a PC?
seriously though, as a rule, you can emulate previous-generation hardware on next-generation one. "The PC" was (and still is) a gaming platform that can be emulated like any other.
*) some emulators are already there
Keeps the hackers away. The last MS console to be jailbreaked was the 360 and even that needs hardware mods.
PC mustard case!
@@CHA0SHACKER "Keeps the hackers away." We can't have microsoft or other big companies go bankrupt because of piracy now.
It's not acceptable if there was any dollar they can't earn.
The adapter you are using for the PS/2 keyboard is almost certainly a passive adapter. That won't work unless the keyboard supports USB. There was a generation of keyboards that supported both PS/2 and USB but had only one of the two connectors and then included an adapter. You need an active PS/2 to USB adapter.
PS/2 was designed to hit the IO controller directly on either the motherboard so its a little different. And yes, those adapters were for keyboards that were PS2 and USB and the adapter would flip it over. You'll need one with its own PS2 to USB microchip
Came here to say this. You need an active PS/2 to USB adapter. The adapter you’re using is a passive one and requires that the keyboard explicitly supports switching between USB and PS/2.
@MVG: Try looking for a beige Y-cable USB to 2xPS/2 adapter with a rectangular plastic box in the middle of the cables. This one used to be very common and inexpensive and has the active logic circuit you need to handle the conversion.
@@ibex485 The problem with those is you can end up with poor n-key rollover performance. For something like this I'd spend a bit more and get a Soarer's PS2-USB adapter.
@@IOwnCalculus Hm I just tested this in chocolate-doom using an old IBM keyboard that I _think_ has NKRO and that beige active Y-cable Ibex mentioned and it definitely did not have NKRO support so that's disappointing but thanks! I didn't know that.
(Edited! I had it the wrong way around at first.)
The simple "green" USB adapters that came with early PS2 keyboards and mice were not actually PS2 to USB converters on a protocol level .... they basically only physically connected the PS2 plug to the USB plug, and left it to the peripheral to detect what kind of port it was plugged into and switch to the correct protocol. If the mouse or keyboard you have does not support that kind of passive adapter, it won't work. Your keyboard will probably work if you use an active adapter.
The support for these adapters actually come from the keyboard, which, if it supports the adapter, is designed to detect if you're using the adapter and switch the protocol it communicates with.
@@VisibleReality Yeah, the keyboard had internal USB and PS2 circuits
@@VisibleReality Oh yeah, you're right. So if you use these adapters with a peripheral that it didn't come with, it would not work.
*This
I actually still use MS Internet / Multimedia keyboards. They're my favorite keyboards of all time. I know I have issues don't judge me! I even have one new in box stashed for the future. You're right he probably needs the Y adapter, those simple adapters often do not work.
It’s still insane to me that Microsoft are actually allowing and welcoming homebrew into their platforms. If you can’t fight them, join them, I guess.
Keeps the homebrew rout from being used for piracy.
@@Dwarg91 :c
It's to stop people from poking at the OS for vulnerabilities to stop piracy. By allowing homebrew to work they are essentially splitting the homebrew and piracy communities by splitting their motives.
If you can't beat 'em, bribe 'em.
It was a great idea to allow users to segment their hardware and run homebrew in a secure environment. Keeps people happy without opening up the entire platform to hacking /piracy.
For the the tip you've asked:
You need an active USB to PS2 adapter to reuse your old PS2 keyboards and mice.
It's better to get the 2-in-1 Keyboard and Mouse to USB adapters as they're most definitively active converters.
Good tip for HDMI>VGA adapters, you want one with a high clock cycle rate, look for Delock adapters, can't quite remember the exact model number but they're a proven good brand and any of them should do for running 1280x720p at 120hz if your monitor can handle that, which an Xbox series whatever should be happy with.
Nvidia cards used to come with one.
@@jpesicka999 The last NVidia card, incidentally, to have true analogue output (via pins on the DVI-D connector) was the Titan X (Maxwell). Not sure on the AMD side of things but my HD7750 still has it, and that can run anything up to COD: Black Ops rather well.
MVG stated that gaming at anything over 640x480 in this config started to cause performance issues.
Main issue with the Delocks is they're often just incredibly buggie ie not waking up from sleep, image artifacts etc.
The main thing that has taken their place in CRT circles for a default suggestion is the Startech DP2VGAHD20 which does 375mhz when it comes to pixel clock. Now this is a DP to VGA adapter and obviously not everyone has DP out. If restricted to HDMI then yea a Delock is probably worth the gamble.
@@nap8187 It depends on the model. Personally I want to grab the 450mhz Delock, my Iiyama can't run at its full capabilities on my Startech or IcyBox. D:
True definition of Modern Vintage Gaming. Love this video.
Ha! It really is!
But what if I told you.. I got a Lenovo think centre m58 that I'm gonna upgrade as much as I can and got tiny 11 on it right now and run old games or even newer games
Dude I'm actually really impressed to see Windows 98 running on an Xbox series s quite indeed impressive. Just Imagine playing half life,Quake and unreal those kind of games that I used to play a lot during the Windows 98 days. Neat.
The S seems to me to be quite the robust and flexible platform. I'm beginning to wonder what other dark tech wizardry is possible with it.
"Support" is limited to the programs ported to the device, not the device itself. Anything that is written for UWP is "Supported"
I'm blown away that this level of emulation works on a system so locked down..
Xbox isn't really locked down at all. You can pay $19 for the keys and boot straight into Developer mode. The console becomes a sandbox at that point.
I don't know if it's brought up very often, but I love the synthwave music you use. So, so nice.
I’ve had a similar vibe using my Steam Deck in Desktop mode while docked. After using Windows 8.1 and later 10 for the past 8 years, using the Deck’s comparatively simple Linux desktop with a basic keyboard, mouse, and external monitor setup kinda brought me back to that Windows 98/XP feeling. Certainly helps that the Discover application has 3D Space Pinball, Sonic Robo Blast 2, and tons of other freeware 😅
I use Arch Linux (SteamOS 3's upstream) in more or less a similar configuration to desktop mode. It just feels like home, in a similar way Windows felt on the desktop right until 10.
Stand-alone UWP DosBox + Mouse support = bomb 💣
@Retro Game Elements It isn't ported to Xbox.
A custom "old PC style" panel front would be great ! With fake CDrom and 3 1/2 disk drive, all printed on a high quality adhesive sheet !
It would be cool, but if he's going this far, it would be easier to just play in a native old PC anyway haha.
Videos like this are really cool. It really sets your channel apart from others. Doing cool stuff with Tech in ways not originally intended.
I managed to get Win98 installed last year on an older retroarch build on my Series S, which was great!
I then didn’t know how to carry the Win98 install over to a newer RetroArch build. I never got around to doing the Win98 install process again.
Oh man this is my jam
I’m having a blast recently with 86Box just swapping around hardware and trying out video and sound cards I never had the chance to play with as a kid
Even if the selection is super limited and nowhere near close the amount of options you had back in the day it’s still hella fun, had to figure out how to configure a Gravis Ultrasound and while I cheated a little with a guide on the internet telling me which drivers to install I pretty much figured out the IRQ conflict stuff on my own like you would have to back in the day 👌
Man that windows 98 setup screen is so nostalgic. Love your choice of 90s games too
This is just awesome! Amazing video, as always, MVG!
That's an awesome project you've done there. Thanks for sharing.
I love that you hooked your Xbox to a CRT monitor for retro gaming. I originally did the same for RetroArch on my computer, got a Dell CRT monitor and a lag-free HDMI to VGA adapter, and now I play all of my games on it, including my Switch XD
Shogo MAD ! Such a great game. Still playing it today. I'm just surprised of the gun used in the first stage it doesnt look like anything i've seen in the game and i played a LOT.
Awesome video !
I did this a while ago as well. I have a few retro pcs so it was just for fun, but I agree that its a fun project.
I did the same thing for AmigaOS using the UAE core in retroarch. Equally good fun.
Given that I have it set up already it's not something I need, but it'd make a cool video if you have the inclination. Perhaps you could showcase some software that takes advantage of the sorts of specs an emulated Amiga can offer. I dont think many people are aware that an Amiga can be a completely different league than something like a 16 bit console (which appears to be the assumption by most who are only familiar with unexpanded a500's, etc.) and in fact more in line with the 1st gen of 32bit consoles.
I think a video like that could be interesting to a lot of people.
If you want a dedicated retro keyboard that is also well-suited for gaming, you may want to look into the NCR-80. It's a custom keyboard kit so you'll need to buy your own switches and keycaps, but it's very easy to build if you opt for the hotswap PCB. They look and sound just like actual old keyboards (specifically the Cherry G81) but you get a USB-C port and QMK/VIA so you can program them in any way you like.
The second this video popped up on my feed, I laughed and thought: "only MVG would make a video like this"
Great video! I enjoy how much mileage you're getting out of the Series S!
Thank you for your content, MVG! I know that you were in a tough patch a while ago but I'm always happy to see what you got cooking up in your videos! Great video.
MVG, your content is so unique and well executed. Thank you!
Those two games that has the biggest impact on me are MDK and Interstate ’76 🤩
My first PC was one with Win 98 so yeah, I'm pretty happy to know it's possible to know that something like this is possible, I'm gonna try this soon.
More like this please. Loved the video!
Thanks for sharing. Sounds like a fun project.
Awesome work buddy. Very interesting stuff
I would love to see some performance benchmarks on some of these games
For the keyboard, you could look into getting the USB version of a Unicomp. That company currently owns the original manufacturing, molds and patents for IBM buckling switch keyboards, so they're essentially new Model Ms. I use one for my Windows XP rig.
This is WILD. Can't believe how well it functions. Brilliant project.
I love you man! This stuff makes me happy.
For somebody who uses Xbox Live, you could try to connect the chatpad accessory onto the controller, and map the onscreen keyboard onto the chatpad.
Interstate 76 is an absolute cinematic journey. Such a cool experience!
Indeed. Paired up with the Sidewinder Force-Feedback Joystick, you can really feel them tugging and grip loss in the tires while driving and the rather forceful but realistic recoil from weapons. One of my favorites paired with that joystick.
Great video. I would never think about doing this.
You can turn on mouse keys to use the numpad as your mouse. I recommend setting it to replace your arrow keys since you don't need the arrows on your numpad anyways.
Hey great vid, Quick suggestion: youtube compression/quality doesn't seem to like your shades/curtain during the outro, maybe it can be fixed if you do that angle with a shallower focus.
You always tick my boxes of interest! Yes I freaking ran to click when I read the title!
awesome project man.
Great video Man
You need an active adapter. Those PS/2 -> USB adapters you show in your video are passive and expect the mouse/keyboard to "talk USB" on its own.
Find a adapter that has one USB and 2 PS/2 ports - you can then connect both mouse and keyboard and occupy just one USB port and by nature, such adapters must be active ones.
loved the vid. great work.
This is so cool. I'd love to replay the games i used back in the day. Mainly a bunch of kids games but Lego Island 1 and 2 were dope
Just when you thought there was nothing left to discover in gaming.. MVG bring the heat.
I’d imagine mouse support will not take long now this video has been published 😅
Excellent overview; maybe i'll dig that Xbox One out from the garage now.
I've just now realized that it's been an entire FIVE YEARS since I boxed it up! At the time, I thought I was going to get around to selling it...
Dude, you’re a genius.
This isn't new btw.
Been doing this since series s launched and on my switch
People who made those emulators, whole OS, Xbox Series consoles, Direct X are the ones who are geniuses. Most people can follow the guide to do these things.
Not discrediting mvg, he himself was a contributor to the earlier versions of Kodi.
I had Windows 95 running on my iPhone 4. It was slow, but it worked, although no network/Internet.
Pretty awesome seeing this. When you shared pics on Twitter I thought you were using PCEM but DOSBox really has come a long way these days.
On PC you could possible achieve similar results with DOSBox-X I believe.
This is ridiculously convoluted and It's terrific.
I did something similar-ish, I had a MEGADRIVE and AMIGA in a PC Tower, the 3rd Disk Drive Slot housed the MD Carts.
Thats really neat actually. No need to hunt for components and good perfomance.
great work !
I need to get my hands on this. If I have access to dos and win98se on this sort of level is indeed insane. I'm not a huge fan of retroarch but this has seriously peeked my interest.
Bringing the vintage into the modern. I love it!
Filled "MV gamer" mode
Yup, that's a Modern Vintage Gamer!
Almost felt like this was an early April Fools video. Nice work but I guess getting sound and mouse support are the next steps for proper mileage.
you need to use an active ps/2 to usb converter. like what Juuul said. im pretty sure you already use an active hdmi to vga adaptor for the display to work, some even have audio routing for sounds to be passed through to speakers. there are combo mouse+keyb active adapter ps/2 to usb that are very cheap online.
Seeing that MDK footage made my heart sing!
I still love CRT TV and Monitors.
I still use one with modern games since many of them still support 4:3 and the motion clarity is still unmatched. Playing at 1600x1200 looks so nice
@@crestofhonor2349 nah- it is most definitely matched. A high-end machine can take a high performance oled and push it to crt-level clarity and richness WAY beyond what the last high-end crt ever produced could ever put out.
It has been this way for at least the last 5 or more years at a more or less a consumer-level. Check out the CES conventions.
Great video very informative 👍
I remember using my Nuphy Air 75, back in the nineties myself.
MDK and Phantasmagoria! Brings back so many memories!
Looks cool, now I can run Mugen for DOS in this DosBox Pure emulator. Also it has support for MPU401 emulation for Roland MT32, this is awesome
You can get an audio extractor that runs in line for hdmi cables. I bought one from jaycar a few years back.
For the keyboard, you'll need an active adapter. You can get them for cheap (and there are types that also support mice, but I have no idea how well those work on an Xbox). Alternatively, you can try getting, or even better, building a Soarer's converter (look up "How to use a Pro Micro as a cheap controller/converter" on deskthority, that's the guide I used myself for I can't count how many ancient keyboards)
COOL PROJECT AND VIDEO! THANKS MVG
Thats a real shame low res just beacuse CNC and Pharoh are a lot easier to play in a higher res larger map ,viewing area, and software rendering on some old games i can yeah all good but i had glide on 98se back in the day and Unreal Tournament GOTY,GTA 2, Tony Hawks 2, Even GTA1 ,Half life demo probs loads more but.....imo all ran and looked so much better making use of the GLIDE Api and Voodoo 2. OMG Tomb Raider is a diffrent game in glide.
I brought a Wyse Vx0 for use as a Windows 98 machine, and it works well
the best part of all this is it shows just how much BETTER things can get when you give an easy no-hassle way of flip flopping a console between regular and dev mode. It's Microsoft generating a ton of good will by going 'Here, this thing we made. We would like you to play with it.'
No Mod Chips. no Hassle. No real way to use it for Piracy. The fact dev mode is this easy to unlock disencentivizes development on ways to break in for the sake OF piracy to boot. Like... I see a lot of people just staring at mod chip makers like 'why the hell would I buy your product?' So this not only shrinks the number of people who want to develop a workaround but also the potential customer pool.
The fact that you turned it into a retro PC is just the cherry on top.
I saw Dungeon Keeper and almost cried. Thank you for showing the best game ever running on this
This is some top-tier nerdery you got goin' on, sir. Well done.
PS/2 to USB "Mouse Connector" is a different pin layout than the keyboard. You need a PS/2 to USB Keyboard converter (typically also purple, not green).
haha good to see Driver '76 used in a video, haven't thought about that game in a long time!
You can actually queue up multiple isos by making a .m3u file in your iso directory and throwing the filenames in that with a text editor. To spice things up a bit further, map some shortcut keys to eject/load or move forward/backward through discs.
Neat little project. I love seeing geeky stuff like this. They defiantly need to add mouse support as that would ruin the whole experience for me.
Good job. I like the added hardware. I just used dosbox pure (that was the hard part) but had on screen keyboard. Deus ex wasn't possible back then but half life and such worked fine even wrote a tutorial once or twice on Reddit or dominators old discord and I also on the pure git as Xbox series x user. Got higher ram support. But I could never get more than 64 to work. Might have to try now since my video was over a yr old
Just ordered a series s and excited to try dev mode stuff. If you're a verizon wireless customer, they have a special $100 off code you can claim and get the console for $150!
6:00 My experience is that you need a good PS/2 adapter, you might click Num-Lock on off before it works, also connect it and restart the system if not detected unplug and plug it again while playing around with Num-Lock. I have a old Natural-Keyboard where has USB y-cable integrated at the time, with such keyboards it seems more compatible. This was working with PS3 as example, but sometimes not worked at first plug in.
Couldn’t agree more!! The 90’s was PEAK PC gaming, so many good games and so many fond memories
what a throwback!
6:21
That's why I diversified my tech knowledge...
You need to google up design diagrams and CAD for these electronics.
They have both support for ground and +5v as well as a few data feed cables. Maybe something went South at the data part.
neat! think of the possibilities!
it's amazing that this console can do this.
I have been working on my own retroproject.
And as fun as it is to have an old windows 98 system and relive those days I went a different approach.
And mine was to make everything work directly from under windows 11 and make it all portable.
Basically everygame is its own thing, sort of like GOG but tested and curated for them to run the best they can.
I have checked around 2500 Titles now and I have scanveged all over the web to find any modified executable or software to make they run as simplified as possible. In may cases I have them even set up to run widescreen and at 4K.
Now all I need to do is launch Launchbox and just run the executable and no matter if you are using windows 7,10, or 11 the game will run, this includes anything from old dos text adeventure to latest 2000 titles.
I love this! :D
Would love a 90s pc style handheld. LOL DOSBox - Prue is AMAZING!
Nice XDK in the background ;)
About HDMI to VGA adapters, if you want to be sure that it will work, you should buy an active adapter instead of a passive one.
what a beautifull capcom mini cute behind.
@modern vintage gamer ... for your ps2 peripherals to work via usb you want a signal "converter" these devices use an integrated circuit to actively translate the ps/2 keyboard signal and convert it into a USB keyboard signal...instead of simply connecting the wires passively..
A Unicomp keyboard is made with either old tooling from IBM/Lexmark, or newer recreated ones, and they are modern copy of IBM Model M keyboards. They can come with a modern controller and a USB cable
Loving this!
Bit disappointed that you didn't try a 98 era build of mame, mess or something like Gens/zsnes 😂
MDK!!! That game was WAY ahead of its time!
Gateway hardware was classic! Love the cream & cow colour scheme
Xbox is very versatile! Incredible
Great job.
There is an opensource ps/2 and xt converter that uses a raspberry pico, you can build it yourself, i forgot which youtuber showed this off, but you can connect everything from back in the day, controllers for the atari, sega, dreamcast, super nintendo, you name it and it has the connector, and it goes over usb, i saw it a couple of years ago, i don't know if the project went bust or not but i hope you have more luck in finding it than i do!
Hi MVG! Can you make a video of the current state of Xbox One/Series S/X modding? I understand there isn't as much request for modding the console because of Dev Mode and the general openness of the platform and also the game pass but playing backups would be a much appreciated thing especially for preservation and drive wear. IIRC around this time in the PS4's life there were some initial exploits or a working CFW. Would be cool to hear your side of things. I absolutely love your channel, keep up the good work!