Wu Tang Forever shouldve been a WHOLE 4th SEASON, They did their best to Compact the whole Album Process in one episode which was executed well but I realize how the Whole album affected the Whole Group; It was some deep ish
Agreed. It would have been a perfect 4th season frfr. Let the 3rd season be about the solo albums and the process that affected the entire Clan. Even a little more Cappadonna
I agree RZA wanted to do 4 or 5 seasons but freaking Hulu. Yeah from what I gathered in the documentary and hearing interviews from the members after this album is when everyone drifted apart and wanted to do their own thing. The tour with Rage didn’t make anything better
I think he wanted them to see the process of where they could go with the music. But yea, sometimes as the producer you gotta set the plate for the rappers
One thing I notice about Rza's character throughout the series is while he great ideas, but it isn't thought out well enough. And, unfortunately sometimes it leads to some form of repercussion. For example, here he is envisioning taking the Wu Tang sound to the text next level, and as he conducts and listens to the violin sound, he is envisioning a masterpiece, but he fails to realize that his friends need to hear something concrete (drum beats with the hip hop boom bap,) to write to, lol. The repercussion being that this adds on to an already existing issue Rae has with Rza (decisions being made without discussing it with the group), which leads to major push back from Rae in the final episode.
True... he made the mistake of thinking his friends would see things the way he saw them.. part of being a true genius is being able to understand your environment and move accordingly... RZA is a different cat. He knows what he sees and what he wants, but he may have not known how to express it to them.
@@xMister.Misterx thats actually a shit move on Rae's part. Nardwuar is one of the greatest interviewers in modern culture and has been able to connect fans with their favorite artists even more by harping back to old stories about the artists life we would've never known.
Im telling you! This season felt outta place! If they didn’t do the imaginary episodes? And kept it half the season about the tour and second Wu album? It would’ve been fired, cause seriously I think everyone was outta place and it didn’t end like the season finale when they all took a thanksgiving picture
A visionary is someone who sees things other's can't, so sometimes it looks like he's seeing something that's not there, when really the rest of us are blind.
Wu always used piano, violin etc..but yeah but hard to write rhymes without a beat .the production on Wu Forever is bananas and sounds ahead of it's time even now.
@@Da_Humble_LifeWhat?! So For Heavens Sake/Scary Hours/Visionz/MGM/Duck Seazon/Little Ghetto Boys/Severe Punishment/Older Gods/Itz Yourz/Bells of War/The City/Projects/Triumph were all “Wack”?! 💀
Now I see why RZA kept different MCs around.. because human nature will tell you that everyone had different tastes..I know RAE was going to resist..but I bet GHOSTFACE will kill any track..
I’m with Rae on this one. Actually I was with Rae the whole season, Rza didn’t ask them what they wanted, and they majority rule in the Clan. Rza the only one that wanted that shit. If they compromised Wu-Tang Forever woulda been 10 times better
@@metrowater2819 biggie hated juicy because it was an RnB sample that didn't have the same vibe as what he was originally doing. You see how changing it up worked for Big and Wu tho right?
If u were a fan of old school you automatically loved that album shit it started out with George Clinton on the intro just like doggystyle and all eyes on me
Shit, it’s crazy they wasn’t feeling the Shit cuz it’s some 🔥🔥🔥🔥 Ass beats on Wu Tang Foreva & people be saying they fell off cuz of Rza production, but as the show been telling they story! Everybody was going in they own way
Honestly RZA was right seeing how Wu Tang Forever ended up , and how many more producers ended up utilizing live sound and orchestra in their production adding that cinematic feel.
(Born U Truth) but in the end, Raekwon was right. Eventually RZA's Mozart shit fucked up the Clan's sound & that's why Rae had to come back with Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang after the 8 Diagrams Album cause that shit was wack and so was everything thing else as far as RZA's production. I'm a fan as since day one till the end, that's just how I see it.
It is crazy that after everything RZA did for them they still cannot trust him. He needed them too, to an extent, but RZA could have given his beats to literally any rapper in New York in the 90's and anyone worth listening too would have killed it.
...do yall not realize this live orchestra is how beats like Reunited and Triumph came about?...smh....yall jumpin the gun the same way Rea & 'em was...lol
Naaaaah... Even with the second album the production started to become questionable. By the third album, RZA was gone. There was no more gritty production. 4th Disciple and TruMaster should have took over from there like they were doing on Cappadonna "The Pillage" album.
You're not very bright, huh? That orchestrated song RZA wanted them to write to is in the time Signature of 3/4. It's basically like a waltz. 3 beats per measure as opposed to the usual 4 beats a measure most songs (especially rap songs) use. You try rapping yo 3 beats per measure and see how simple it is. RZA's power has gone a bit to his head here and he's kind of out of touch with his own group. Let's not insult a bunch of people who agree with Raekwon. Raekwon is right. RZA is buggin.
@P-Jay Wade ...yea...we can all agree Rza production started declining after Forever....but im just speakin in context of THIS point in the show that this clip depicts....they hadn't heard the final results of what this orchestra and Rza sampling live instruments to make beats did for the beats on this album...like the few I mentioned that turned out to be some of his best ones...
Rza is an artist. The clan is rappers. And ghetto ass rappers at that. He should've known not to mix the two. Still use the instruments, but don't present anything to the clan musically until it reflects something they have the sense of comfort to at least identify with
@@RedRanger_ All the more reason to halt on the idea of showing some hood dudes who rap a fucking white symphony. Then literally expect them to write music to it ??? What other reaction did he expect.
Well Raekwon was right; it didn’t even have drums on it 🤣 It would have been easier to sell if he had made the beat first. But whatever he did it all wprked out in the end. Wu Tang Forever was their BEST album!
Idk why Raekwon was tripping on rza finding a new sound the album literally went number one on the billboard people for what rza went through the man literally had a flood and could of lost everybody album but he went in that water and got everyone out and still sold came on top despite everything he believed in his boys
@@tdup191it’s the fact that they even got to that point w that many different personalities in one group. It takes a special king of person to pull that off
@@Jay62812 the beats are dope but they don’t make the full product rza wouldn’t have been shit without them either. Rza wouldn’t even let them rap on other people’s beat and once he did they all took off.
Dude playing raekwon🤣🤣 he makes the show for me they all do they thing....I get where rae was coming from tho wu forever was good not great....and the sound change had alot to do with it...
@@Presice it became the number one album because it had a cleaner and more mainstream sound that was palatable to people who didn’t appreciate their best material
@@mistahmst Lol Wu Tang Forever Mainstream? What radio were you listening to in 1997? Bad Boy was Mainstream and that's who ruled Billboard at that time. If you wasn't there, maybe use Google before you get to typing. 9 dudes rhyming on a beat with no chorus is not Mainstream. It was never Mainstream. It wasn't mainstream with Protect Ya Neck and damn sure wasn't mainstream with Triumph. Yet that's exactly what Rza orchestrated AGAIN, the difference being he OWNED the sound this time around. Less sample clearances. But to you internet dudes that's "cleaner and more palatable". Lol
@@ahk7137 it wasn’t being played on the radio like that, but there ain’t no denying that it had a more mainstream sound than the albums before it. Not “shiny suit” mainstream, but the beats weren’t as hard as on the previous albums. Obviously less sample clearance was a better business move, but the sample based beats sounded better. The songs didn’t age as well.
These dudes could’ve all ended up in jail or worse had it not been for RZA I understand they were all young and headstrong. But not to trust him. After he just made u famous and now is trying to make u rich too. Cmon man. U must be kidding me. But we definitely now know who was right
The clan was right rza tried doing too much and released a album that was honestly half assed witha few bright spots rza aint been the same since he tried his "new sound" he had a formula and should have stuck with it FOH
@C. Christopher here comes the white guy talking about album sales listen white guy that wu tang album was not a good album and was the beginning of their demise it sold a lot of records based upon 36 Chambers tical cuban linx Ironman liquid swords this is CULTURE I actually lived and you aren't qualified to give opinions on wu tang forever is NOT a good album it wasn't trash but it wasn't good
@Jarvase dundy who said the perfecting YOUR formula is "lazy" it's innapropriate to think you could change your sound completely and people will still like you he got corny no way around it lol
@@ehunt chnage his sound completely??? u joking right. he had been striving for something like this since day one. listen to cuban linx. he just didnt have the budget to go this far.
the dude who playing rae needs an oscar...
Shamelik moore aka miles morales
@@lil.dgotthejuice3443 he was great as rae but miles Morales needs to be played by Miles Brown (the youngest son in Black-ish)
0:15 he got the eyes and all that
Facts
Especially the fact that he played in dope
“this shit dont even have drums on it son” 😂😂😂😂
And now that's the new wave. 😅😅😅
😂😂😂
@@Vandalio_Saezsadly
"Word wtf is THIS shit?!?" Rae had me dying 🤣🤣
Shameik Moore got the cadence, the accent, and the look down to a tee 😂
Even Devine came in and was like wtf is this 🤣
Nowadays niggas been killing for drumless beats lol, RZA was a visionary
Yessir The Abbot
Wu Tang Forever shouldve been a WHOLE 4th SEASON, They did their best to Compact the whole Album Process in one episode which was executed well but I realize how the Whole album affected the Whole Group; It was some deep ish
Agreed. It would have been a perfect 4th season frfr. Let the 3rd season be about the solo albums and the process that affected the entire Clan. Even a little more Cappadonna
I agree RZA wanted to do 4 or 5 seasons but freaking Hulu. Yeah from what I gathered in the documentary and hearing interviews from the members after this album is when everyone drifted apart and wanted to do their own thing. The tour with Rage didn’t make anything better
@@michealmahmoud6391 yeah
@@valdivia8383 I had no idea.i admit I eamted the show to have 1 or 2 more seasons. But now I wish it had 6 more episodrs
99-100 only rae actor is spot on
“WRITE TO WHAT?!” Lmaoooo 😂
The dude who plays Rae is doing a great job.
Shameik Moore is a great actor man
💯
@@IsaiahBurleson He is! Look forward to seeing more of him. He's dope as the voice of Miles Morales in the spider verse movie.
@@thaddeusdaruszka4994
We know.
Gotta check The Get Down, he plays a young up and coming DJ apprentice to Grandmaster Flash. That was where I've seen him first
"Yo! Get to writing." 😅😂😂😅😅😂😅
He should have done all that by himself, created the beat, then had the crew there. Just makes more sense
I wonder if this actually even happened for real, I doubt it.
@@allanokeefe104 I agree! Rae needs to break down the scenes on whats factual and not
I think he wanted them to see the process of where they could go with the music. But yea, sometimes as the producer you gotta set the plate for the rappers
@@BroKhalidMuhammad he already did. Just search it on youtube.
@@drfunk1986 I only saw videos of him talking about him and Ghostface shooting at each other. He never expounds
Crazy thing is reunited is one of the best produced beats in the wu catalog and rza def got his money worth out of this approach
EXACTLY my favorite track on that album
That song was terrible
@@straightlead8 na its easily one their best
@@straightlead8 you tripping lol
@@straightlead8 you trippin man 😆
One thing I notice about Rza's character throughout the series is while he great ideas, but it isn't thought out well enough. And, unfortunately sometimes it leads to some form of repercussion.
For example, here he is envisioning taking the Wu Tang sound to the text next level, and as he conducts and listens to the violin sound, he is envisioning a masterpiece, but he fails to realize that his friends need to hear something concrete (drum beats with the hip hop boom bap,) to write to, lol. The repercussion being that this adds on to an already existing issue Rae has with Rza (decisions being made without discussing it with the group), which leads to major push back from Rae in the final episode.
True... he made the mistake of thinking his friends would see things the way he saw them.. part of being a true genius is being able to understand your environment and move accordingly... RZA is a different cat. He knows what he sees and what he wants, but he may have not known how to express it to them.
Leads to re’percussions’😄. Pun intended?
This shit don’t even got drums on it, son… Na-
Aye, yo- Turn this shi--
Stop playing-
Stop Playing-
Stop Playing-✋🏾😳
Yeah
😂😂😂
RAE WAS THROUGH
rae “Yo what the fuck is this shit” shit had me crying 😂😂😂 bro really be having me weak
Rakim?
@@sontwisted rae my bad og Lol
That part reminded me of the interview with Nardwuar when every time he asked Raekwon a questionRae clowned him on his outfit 🤣🤣🤣
@@xMister.Misterx Lmaoo yo that shit was funny asl i feel like this actor definitely got rae personality down a little at least
@@xMister.Misterx thats actually a shit move on Rae's part. Nardwuar is one of the greatest interviewers in modern culture and has been able to connect fans with their favorite artists even more by harping back to old stories about the artists life we would've never known.
They rushed this season. Wu Tang Forever and the Tour deserve a full season
Im telling you! This season felt outta place! If they didn’t do the imaginary episodes? And kept it half the season about the tour and second Wu album? It would’ve been fired, cause seriously I think everyone was outta place and it didn’t end like the season finale when they all took a thanksgiving picture
@91Definite I guess they wanted it 2 end n Triumph but Forever is where the stories r. Ghost goin off on Hot97 etc.
@@dominiquejones3805I wished RZA would’ve made more man…5 seasons of this show would’ve been perfect to me!
A visionary is someone who sees things other's can't, so sometimes it looks like he's seeing something that's not there, when really the rest of us are blind.
They got Rae’s belly right this season, but dropped the ball with his tarantula piece. 🤷🏾♂️
Eating good 😂
@@jump6098 had to shoot his way up out of Bennigan’s
Flex the white gold tarantula lol
@@bmorebread8993 track truck diesel play the weed god, substanchala
They got the dragon piece right though lol
Wu always used piano, violin etc..but yeah but hard to write rhymes without a beat .the production on Wu Forever is bananas and sounds ahead of it's time even now.
RZA was all the way n his bag on Wu Tang Forever. I'm come 2 like the production on The W now
all their production was whack glad U god came out n said it too..but ALL OF IT..except like 4 tracks
@@Da_Humble_LifeWhat?! So For Heavens Sake/Scary Hours/Visionz/MGM/Duck Seazon/Little Ghetto Boys/Severe Punishment/Older Gods/Itz Yourz/Bells of War/The City/Projects/Triumph were all “Wack”?! 💀
But you got Roc Marciano making a living nowadays out of rappin' to drum-less tracks... I've always thought he sounded like a lost Wu member.
Now I see why RZA kept different MCs around.. because human nature will tell you that everyone had different tastes..I know RAE was going to resist..but I bet GHOSTFACE will kill any track..
I ain’t gone lie. RZA was wylin but watching the show you understood Rza’s mind.
Only thing that made it hard to watch was the actor portraying rza, it was very terrible.
I’m with Rae on this one. Actually I was with Rae the whole season, Rza didn’t ask them what they wanted, and they majority rule in the Clan. Rza the only one that wanted that shit. If they compromised Wu-Tang Forever woulda been 10 times better
Which is crazy considering it's still a classic hip hop album without it being compromised.
Which is also crazy because… that shit got no play over here
Jay Z and Biggie would’ve been writing their verses off the dome 😂
Not without a finished beat. Biggie hated juicy when he first heard it.
@@metrowater2819 biggie hated juicy because it was an RnB sample that didn't have the same vibe as what he was originally doing. You see how changing it up worked for Big and Wu tho right?
Yeah, but not to that shit 😆
Nobody wants to hear those corny ass lies Gay Z be rappin.
@@propanesalesman660 but peep it tho. Ever since the whole “Notorious B1”, I can’t look at that Juicy track the same
Fans of Kendrick when they first heard TPAB 😂😂
Anything I hear from kendrick 🤷🏾♂️
If u were a fan of old school you automatically loved that album shit it started out with George Clinton on the intro just like doggystyle and all eyes on me
Shit, it’s crazy they wasn’t feeling the Shit cuz it’s some 🔥🔥🔥🔥 Ass beats on Wu Tang Foreva & people be saying they fell off cuz of Rza production, but as the show been telling they story! Everybody was going in they own way
@Kevin Kuza 💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥
😆😆😆😆😆 Rae: yo, turn this shit. Stop playing. A yo, Stop playing 😆😆😆😆😆😆
Shameek gets better as raekwon every episode
1:25 Stop playing stop playing stop playing yeah 😂😂😂😂
I’m with the Clan on this 😂
How?
Honestly RZA was right seeing how Wu Tang Forever ended up , and how many more producers ended up utilizing live sound and orchestra in their production adding that cinematic feel.
Fast foward: everybody doing this and yaw calling them geniuses….RZA was ahead
(Born U Truth) but in the end, Raekwon was right. Eventually RZA's Mozart shit fucked up the Clan's sound & that's why Rae had to come back with Shaolin vs. Wu-Tang after the 8 Diagrams Album cause that shit was wack and so was everything thing else as far as RZA's production. I'm a fan as since day one till the end, that's just how I see it.
@@garcel1251 fr. Kanye and Dre do it and it's fine but RZA does it and it's lame💀
"Write to what?"
Rza’s actor still sounds like he ate a frog in this season
Brian Wilson did the same thing with pet sounds, group questioned him.
To be fair, Rae had a point 😂
This sounds a part of triump
*Orchestra plays*
Rza: Yall niggas like that?
Rae: *Yo these niggas sound like they about to do a character reveal in smash brothers ultimate god!*
😂😂😂
Man Wu Tang my favorite group was extremely difficult 🤦🤣🤣🤣. Especially Raekwon and Ugod.
you mean especially Dirty and Ghost face lol
@@icfwu9774 definitely atleast Rae and UGod was present and available. Ghost and Dirty showed up when they wanted to
It is crazy that after everything RZA did for them they still cannot trust him. He needed them too, to an extent, but RZA could have given his beats to literally any rapper in New York in the 90's and anyone worth listening too would have killed it.
Gza and Masta Killas faces at the beginning was priceless asf yo😂😂I ain't finna cap suhn🤞🏾🤣💔
GZA was like “Nah, g. This ain’t it.” 😂
@@mokodo813 Fr suhn😂😂
@@Savagemonger Rae was also like “Nah son, what’s this? Queen of the England type shit?” 😂
@@mokodo813 eyo suhn like you gotta love the chef I mean this is jus some special to watch🤣🔥
@@Savagemonger 😂😂😂
...do yall not realize this live orchestra is how beats like Reunited and Triumph came about?...smh....yall jumpin the gun the same way Rea & 'em was...lol
Naaaaah... Even with the second album the production started to become questionable. By the third album, RZA was gone. There was no more gritty production. 4th Disciple and TruMaster should have took over from there like they were doing on Cappadonna "The Pillage" album.
You're not very bright, huh? That orchestrated song RZA wanted them to write to is in the time Signature of 3/4. It's basically like a waltz. 3 beats per measure as opposed to the usual 4 beats a measure most songs (especially rap songs) use. You try rapping yo 3 beats per measure and see how simple it is. RZA's power has gone a bit to his head here and he's kind of out of touch with his own group. Let's not insult a bunch of people who agree with Raekwon. Raekwon is right. RZA is buggin.
Both reunited and triumph are on 4/4, btw. Not 3/4. So, your point makes little sense.
@P-Jay Wade ...yea...we can all agree Rza production started declining after Forever....but im just speakin in context of THIS point in the show that this clip depicts....they hadn't heard the final results of what this orchestra and Rza sampling live instruments to make beats did for the beats on this album...like the few I mentioned that turned out to be some of his best ones...
@@lynsdaddy2249no. Just, no.
Rza is an artist. The clan is rappers. And ghetto ass rappers at that. He should've known not to mix the two. Still use the instruments, but don't present anything to the clan musically until it reflects something they have the sense of comfort to at least identify with
wtf is GHETTO ass rappers? Rza came from the same place , in Raes words Rza was more "in love" with creating music
Bro the clan was a headache. That’s all I got from this season
@@RedRanger_ All the more reason to halt on the idea of showing some hood dudes who rap a fucking white symphony. Then literally expect them to write music to it ??? What other reaction did he expect.
rza was also ghetto as fuck. he just had a vision. they didnt.
You said my comment much better than i did. But I didn’t see tour comment before i wrote mine 🤣
Well Raekwon was right; it didn’t even have drums on it 🤣 It would have been easier to sell if he had made the beat first. But whatever he did it all wprked out in the end. Wu Tang Forever was their BEST album!
In all the comments from all these clips we're all asking for more. I hope the RZA is listening, we'll see what he comes up with next 😊
"You write to that s*** then nigga!" 😂🤣
I’ve only seen clips of this show but that line made me laugh.
They in there playing Sleeping Beauty 😂
A few of Rza best..."Triumph"....and look up the scene when Meth records his verse for "Reunited"...
I think they just let RZA do his thing
0:14 when I see my psycho ex😂
They was playing "once upon a dream" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Even though he did great as Rae, he kinda sounds like Westside Gunn too 🤣🤣
Wu-Tang forever is my shit
Idk why Raekwon was tripping on rza finding a new sound the album literally went number one on the billboard people for what rza went through the man literally had a flood and could of lost everybody album but he went in that water and got everyone out and still sold came on top despite everything he believed in his boys
My thing is why show the group the orchestra then method man the actual beat 🤨
Imagine being a classical musician and having to work with these guys
Nice scenes!!!
It was too early in the process ask them to write to that.
"A Yo Turn this shit--- STOP PLAYING!"
Raekwon complains a lot
"This Shit Don't even got drums on it son."
🤣🤣🤣yoooo Shameik Moore did his Dougie on this show fr.
Enter the wu tang if my fav wu album
Buddy wearing a fat suit for Rea?
Sounds like a Tom and Jerry episode
Imagine Raekwon saying this 0:15 at a real opera house, like he expects Mozart to start rapping about swords and guns and stuff
Can't blame Rae or the others. That sound wasn't them so how thet just gonna start coming up with dope rhymes to it?
😆😆😆😆😆😆😆 @ The Gza in the beginning.
I remember watching a video of Rae and RZA feeling the finished Reunited beat. Rae punches the soundboard cause it’s so good. I need to find it again
Wait a minute what 😳!?
@@91Definite not a literal punch but like he pounds his fist in disbelief
Why don’t we come back when the Beats more progressed dog😂😂😂
00:10 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
I watched the entire series and I dont remember this at all, did a new season come out ?
Aii keep playing that shit 😂
What was gza chewing on this whole show 😂 i thought thst was a blunt
It’s called a chew stick.
A Hebrew flavor vanilla bark tree.
Yeah chew stick.
RZA was bugging that day. Lol
So did this actually ever turn into a song?
Yup, doubtin the f- outta you lol
Lets jus come back till the Beats more progressed dog😂
This how they ended up trusting him into a gravel pit
All RZA had to say is he had to put his own stank on it. 😒
RZA started smelling his own farts too much.
I just didn't like when he said "get to writing" 😅. How you expect them to flow on some violins?? At least finish the beat first.
He's literally asking them to write over a waltz from a Disney princess movie 😂
Wich song is it
RZA about to lay down the musical track to 4th chamber.
I see how they got tired of rza. That abbot shit went to his head.
Lol them niggas would be broke or dead if it weren't for Rza
@@tdup191exactly none of this happens without him
@@tdup191it’s the fact that they even got to that point w that many different personalities in one group. It takes a special king of person to pull that off
*kind
@@Jay62812 the beats are dope but they don’t make the full product rza wouldn’t have been shit without them either. Rza wouldn’t even let them rap on other people’s beat and once he did they all took off.
RZA was buggin out if you ask me.
How? 😂
Wu Forever has some of the best beats I remember Havoc asking to produce for it & qtip
You definitely are bugging, the orchestra thing was a good idea in the long run
I’m still waiting for him to explain how rza was buggin lmao
@@johnnycage435 Wu-Tang Forever was actually a step down production wise compared to the debut and the previous solo albums
Man Rza and Divine went through, put up with all these different personalities.
Was Rae really that big of a problem?
Dude playing raekwon🤣🤣 he makes the show for me they all do they thing....I get where rae was coming from tho wu forever was good not great....and the sound change had alot to do with it...
fr 😂
sleeping beauty 😅
Miles needs to relax 😂
Rae was 100% right Rza a cold weirdo
Dude playing RZA should really be playing UGOD, I don't see or hear RZA
Who tf wrote this show bruh
Rae complaining again
I hate the fact that the clan doubting Rza🤌🏿
Lol
Rza was bugging...am with rae on this one 😂😂😂😂😂😂 smh
Was buggin so much it became a number 1 album. this isnt real time its history
Ur dumb. Bro bugged out to being number one with that sound.🤦🏾♂️
@@Presice it became the number one album because it had a cleaner and more mainstream sound that was palatable to people who didn’t appreciate their best material
@@mistahmst Lol Wu Tang Forever Mainstream? What radio were you listening to in 1997? Bad Boy was Mainstream and that's who ruled Billboard at that time. If you wasn't there, maybe use Google before you get to typing. 9 dudes rhyming on a beat with no chorus is not Mainstream. It was never Mainstream. It wasn't mainstream with Protect Ya Neck and damn sure wasn't mainstream with Triumph. Yet that's exactly what Rza orchestrated AGAIN, the difference being he OWNED the sound this time around. Less sample clearances. But to you internet dudes that's "cleaner and more palatable". Lol
@@ahk7137 it wasn’t being played on the radio like that, but there ain’t no denying that it had a more mainstream sound than the albums before it. Not “shiny suit” mainstream, but the beats weren’t as hard as on the previous albums. Obviously less sample clearance was a better business move, but the sample based beats sounded better. The songs didn’t age as well.
Yo
These dudes could’ve all ended up in jail or worse had it not been for RZA I understand they were all young and headstrong. But not to trust him. After he just made u famous and now is trying to make u rich too. Cmon man. U must be kidding me. But we definitely now know who was right
Nah it was ass 😂 like there was maybe one little part but the violins was just too much to latch an idea too n flow
Wack show
The clan was right rza tried doing too much and released a album that was honestly half assed witha few bright spots rza aint been the same since he tried his "new sound" he had a formula and should have stuck with it FOH
That's lazy thinking lol, you should always try to expand your sound as a producer. Kanye West did it. He wanted to try and do something different
Yeah, it only went 5x platinum and was Wu Tangs most successful album, RZA really screwed up 😂
@C. Christopher here comes the white guy talking about album sales listen white guy that wu tang album was not a good album and was the beginning of their demise it sold a lot of records based upon 36 Chambers tical cuban linx Ironman liquid swords this is CULTURE I actually lived and you aren't qualified to give opinions on wu tang forever is NOT a good album it wasn't trash but it wasn't good
@Jarvase dundy who said the perfecting YOUR formula is "lazy" it's innapropriate to think you could change your sound completely and people will still like you he got corny no way around it lol
@@ehunt chnage his sound completely??? u joking right. he had been striving for something like this since day one. listen to cuban linx. he just didnt have the budget to go this far.
Not feeling shamiek as raekwon
I am, I love him as raekwon
How can u not.him and the guy who plays odb are spot on, unlike rza 💀
I'm not feeling this show at all lol
RZA is a genius period.