SMALLRIG vs. BEASTGRIP | Best Cage for iPhone Filmmaking?
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Which is the best custom filmmaking cage for the iPhone 13 Pro Max... SmallRig or Beastgrip? Watch and see what you think. Note that both cages have Pro Max and Pro versions, I just used the Pro Max in this video.
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I like the SmallRig cage for shooting inconspicuously, when I don't want to intimidate subjects with a big honking cage. For simple shoots I attach a small, cheap ball head under the cage as a handle (with a wrist strap through a 1/4 x 20 hole). For longer shots I put it on a monopod. Just generally really nicely made cage - nice that they made an inset for the iPhone silencer button on this year's cage - with the older model you had to turn it on and off with a ballpoint.
SmallRig, hands down! Quicker to market too…works well with the Crane M-3 too
does it work well with the ronin RS3? or would you take the crane over the ronin?
I use smallrig not only for filmmaking but as an everyday case, a turning head case…looks like a military phone 😂
Got my small rig last week and absolutely love it! Ok I’m looking for more things to add to it.
Got both and even the beast grip pro and I use the small rig as my camera case now it’s used daily and is perfect
I like the idea that smallrig cage can show all 3 lenses all the time and able to attach M mount lens or 17mm thread
I wonder if I should just get the half cage for more compatible choices with all my phones 📱
❤GREAT VIDEO 🤝🏻 SMALLRIG is my go-to cage
I’m waiting for the Beastcage for my 15 Pro Max. It’s interesting that neither of these is perfect. Both are lacking something that the other has. Since I have machine tools, I’m planning on modifying the Beastcage. There’s enough metal to do that. I would love a magnesium Beastcage. That would easily cut the weight in half and magnesium is strong and rigid.
One observation, I’m finding Cinematic mode responds very well to having an ND. If someone is using the Moondog filter mount and Cinematic mode, they’re better off with the Smallrig since all the lenses and Lidar are open with the lens mount in place.
I love the Smallrig and given it’s price and advantages, there is really a good case for having both. I have the Polar Pro system with their ND filter permanently in my pocket for every day carry. The case is very easy to remove and it’s quick to swap the phone into the Smallrig for tripod shots.
Great points! And yeah it’s tough using Cinematic mode with the Beastcage too.
@@iphoneographers it’s not everybody’s favourite but it is a useful tool.
That’s interesting using filters for cinematic mode, I’m waiting for my polar pro for my i13, had it on the 11…
Great video! Can you review the new Moment Cage with magnetic (MagSafe ) mounting
Yes indeed. Planning to soon. Thanks for watching!
Isn’t there a small rig cage with m mount for iphone 14?
Do you have a XS Max cage? I’m looking to get one…
The only thing stopping me from getting the smallrig over the beastcage is the lens option. I got the regular 13 & atm the 17mm option is only for the pro & pro max. If they can add it to the 13 & maybe 13 mini, it would be a solid buy for sure. And it would be really nice if later in the future they also add a 37mm mount lmao. Also rip the Beastgrip M series Mount 😔
Didn’t know that about the regular 13, thanks for the info. And yeah I thought about that too - no more M series lenses. It kind of makes sense though as there’s already several widely used standard mounts and another one just complicates things.
Do you know if the most recent Moondog labs filter adapter V3 works with the iPhone 14pro? Or have you heard if an iPhone 14pro/max compatible version is in the works?
If not, do you know of any other filter adapter mount on the market (compatible with iPhone14pro) that uses the Moment bayonet mounting system?
MoondogLabs website hasn't been updated with compatibility options with iPhone 14pro. Thank you for your cage comparison. I am invested in the Moment lenses and case but I'm not pleased with their filter-to-iPhone mounting system for the iPhone 14pro which is a flimsy "snap-on" plastic adapter that is tedious/awkward to mount and not as secure. I was looking at the Beastcage option but the increased weight is the biggest issue for me.
Since my present setup only includes Moment's 58mm lens and collection of quality filters, I'm leaning toward the much lighter SmallRig IF I had a fast/secure filter-to-cage mounting option.
Hi thanks for the great video, Is it possible to use the Comica Vimo S-Mi microphone, does it connect to the iphone socket with the cage? Thank you
Haven’t used that mic, but some cages do work better than others with accessories like that. It would really depend on which one, but just make sure there’s a wide enough opening to allow for accessories beyond the standard Lightning cable.
One big difference (imo) in the cages is found at the bottom of the cage. Beastcage allows for flush mounted devices such as the Shure MV88 Portable for iOS. The Small Rig doesn’t, it’s raised.
Yeah, that’s a good point, and all these have different variances that can hinder or help other accessories.
I have the small rig cage and the Zyhun smooth 5.. The combination with a Moment gold anamorphic works great together even though it is beyond the stated weight limit.
I haven’t tried that but I’ve heard some others had success as well, that’s great. 👍🏻
Did you have a Pro Max?
Smallrig for me. I have one for 13 pro and pro max with the 17mm adapter. I always keep the moondog filter mount on it.
@Rey Skywalker I ordered 2 of them from Amazon
On thé beastcage, you can put handles on the sides, with a special accessory.
Yes you definitely can with their proprietary bottom mount, but wish you could put them on the sides with any type handles.
One thing I would’ve liked to see covered is whether the Beastgrip cage can accommodate a MagSafe charging plate or battery. I film with my SmallRig and the port is used by a mic - so being able to slap on an Anker, or cable-in a magsafe charger for all day shoots is essential.
Hope to get a reply!
I have a small Anker MagSafe battery and while it works fine on the Smallrig it does not work on the Beastcage. The lens mount covers too wide of an area over the connection it seems.
@@iphoneographers had a fear it’d be this way. Appreciate the reply - saving some money here by sticking to smallrig. Thank you!
What external monitor did you use for the setup on your video? And would the Smallrig allow for such an add-on? I like that option for when I have the camera set up but would be on the other side of the camera.
Yes, you can add a monitor to the cage top by either using the cold shoe or adding your own shoe or a rail. I’ve used this monitor some amzn.to/3Q0OrHz on a similar setup.
I plan grab Smallrig cage (with M mount come with it at standard) and take the M mount to 37mm Smallrig plate to put Beast grip 1.7 tele ont It, bcz I prefer the handle system by Smallgrip and Pricing too think this combo is possible ?
I’ve seen some do that with this adapter… amzn.to/3w6FaYC But just remember those Besstgrip lenses are on the heavy side.
seems like these cages lock you into their own things like lenses etc. For example I have the lite chaser pro from Polar pro and their ND filters attache to the case so I cant see how you can use this with these cages
Yeah you can’t. I really wish the PolarPro filters were threaded so you could use them elsewhere because they are good. These cages actually offer a pretty wide selection of lens choices, but only the one phone model.
@@iphoneographers Thanks for the reply
Can I use the Apple Battery pack (for IPHONE 13 PRO MAX) when the Smallrig or the Beastgrip is mounted? Which one do you reccomend?
You can use a MagSafe battery with the SmallRig cage. There’s not enough room with the Beastcage though. Have to connect using Lightning on it.
english isn’t my first language but what is that black card/background on the table
aka, what is called ?
anyone ?
That’s a cutting mat… amzn.to/3zgCoyS
Do both of them work with a screen protector or dbrand skin installed?
Have not tried that, but the larger ones like the SmallRig should be fine.
Hello! Does someone know if i Can use the lens from Beastgrip on smallrig cage?
No, you need a strong 37mm mount for those lenses.
I think Unless you want to put an DSLR lens on your iPhone the Smallrig is better because it allows you to add grips to the sides of the case. I have the Smallrig case for the 12 pro max. I recorded at the 2021 Monterey race week events and having the side handles on my Smallrig case it is really needed.I bought lenses with the Moment mount. I wanted to use the 60mm lens on the iPhone 2.5x lens to get more zoom. well.... you can't you can only connect to the Wide angle or standard angle lens. so you don't get any more zoom than just using the iPhone 2.5x lens Bummer. I wanted to know is if you can use a lens on the 2.5x iPhone lens to get longer zoom on the Bestgip case? that was not explained in the video.
You can use telephoto on telephoto on both cases. I’m not sure what you’re referring to on the SmallRig. It has a spot for the standard wide or the telephoto, - you cannot add it to the Ultra Wide. So you might look at that again. But to answer your question, yes you can do that on the Beastcage. But you can also do that on the SmallRig (at least you can on the 13 series… I don’t have the 12 series cage).
can you attach the small rig to the ronin RS3?
Sure just use a quick release adapter like this amzn.to/3P3eRYC
I’m went with the Smallrig cage. I wanted to use moment lenses for my upcoming trip. Actually purchased Polar Pro’s Litechaser kit for my 13 pro max. HOWEVER Polar Pro’s lenses have been pushed back for a considerable amount of time. (They sent me a prototype and refunded my money though) so I still wanna use my litechaser kit for more everyday carry but I wanted to use a lens on my phone so I ended up buying a Used 18mm moment lenses but I didn’t wanna buy Moment’s thin case cause I figured if I’m gonna spend $50 on a case I might as well get something that’s more robust that I can add extra accessories on to it. so the Smallrig cage is perfect cause it’s light and robust.
Yeah I’ve been waiting on those PolarPro lenses as well. I do really like their kit especially for very easy travel and every day carry. But the Smallrig is a great option as well. Thanks for watching!
Hello! Thank you for the video! I have a question been following you since the first moondog anamorphic i actually have it, the one with the thread. I want to mount it on my iPhone 14 pro max i was thinking the small rig with the thread? Adapter, will it work?
No, that lens is 37mm so you would need to use a BeastCage or Beastgrip Pro or similar. And BTW, that’s still a great lens and works perfectly with the later sensors. Thanks for watching all these years!
@@iphoneographers yeah but i mean the rear thread the rear thread is 12.5 mm, the mounting part not the front, you know? Everything is bayonet now, so I don’t know how to mount it to my iphone, and yes! Is great!
I’m talking about the rear thread. The one I have is 37mm. They did create a 12.5mm for a little while, but they discontinued it if memory serves. Not sure which gear offers 12.5mm now. I know some Rhinoshield ones used to.
@@iphoneographers yes . Guess i’ll try the new moment one. Thank you!!
Small grip .. hands down on everything .. well, nearly
Do you know if the smallrig will work with the iPhone 13 mini?
Not sure! Haven’t used a Mini.
What add-on lenses are 17mm? I only have Moment and Beatgrip (37mm) lenses.
there are some random Chinese lenses and a few other companies. I forget the name but probably easily found on Amazon
Ulanzi has several 17mm and so do some other similar brands - some are marketed for “photography” versus video, but they obviously work for both.
Can u use them as an everyday cases - protection wise?
They’ll definitely protect the phone, better than any case really. But, they don’t fit in your pocket. :)
@@iphoneographers unless you are a kangaroo
Beastgrip cage always
How do you mount 37mm lenses on the smallrig cage?
I have a beastcage Iphone 11 ecosystem of 37mm lenses and filters, and would like to migrate to smallrig for the Iphone 13 pro, assuming I could use existing lenses.
Thanks!
You can’t, not natively anyway. One thing you could try though is buy the 17mm mount version of the cage and then get an adapter to 37mm, like this amzn.to/3Lm1zmO.
Note I have NOT tried this though and so have no idea if it will work, but it’s something I’ve considered trying as an experiment for this exact scenario. My fear is you could see some vignetting.
you might be able to get an 37-17 adapter ring. I would check to see if you would get any vignetting or lens flare around the edges.
@@iphoneographers I''ve also thought about getting a Smallrig setup with a 17 to 37mm adapter but it'd be interesting to know how that works before committing.
Can you use the small rig on a gimbal .. or too heavy
Sure on the right gimbal like the Crane M3.
@@iphoneographers thank you for answering my questions!
Hello , do the Beastgrip anamorphic lens mk2 work on Smallrig cage?(on iphone14 promax)
No. That lens is a 37mm mount. Although some people have used a 17mm mount on that cage and then adapt to 37mm, but that gets kinda clunky.
@@iphoneographers i see，thanks so much for your reply！
I know I’m late to the party but beast grip does offer side grips for the cage. It’s a 2 piece setup. You screw the mounting arm to the back and then the grip mounts to that NATO style.
Assume you’re talking about these? beastgrip.com/products/arm-mount
Definitely familiar with them, and they work ok, but they’re kinda clumsy tbh. I wish there was a way to screw mount true side handles.
@@iphoneographers yeah that was one thing that definitely bummed me out. Hopefully the newer designs will address this.
The lens system on beastcage is way better.
In the Amazon reviews people are saying the small rig cage has a problem mounting the anamorphic lenses for landscape shooting is that true?
I was able to mount the anamorphic just fine. People do have to pay attention to the instructions for orienting the anamorphic lens using the set screw
@@nicholashatch1190 that’s what I figured but I wanted to ask before buying the small rig cage. Thank you!
No problems here. As Nicholas says, follow the instructions and all is well.
No issues. Some anamorphic though like the Moondog you can spin independently once mounted, so you just have to make sure it’s lined up whichever way you’re shooting.
Thanks guys 😎👍🏼 I can’t wait to get the whole setup to take our vids to a new level
does anyone know of a cage that supports iphone 15? NOT the pro or the max, to be specific. I'd like find a cage or case that supports the standard Iphone 15 so I can use supported lenses and mount it to a gimbal. Anything helps!
Your best option is probably this from Beastgrip and it’s universal too amzn.to/3G6idq1
And SmallRig usually makes cages for non-pro series phones too. This is for Pro, but look for standard potentially coming… amzn.to/3umtgsD
@@iphoneographers thank you!
I have the beast cage for the IPhone 11 Pro Max. I have the small rig for the 13 pro. I’ll take the smallrig over the beast cage every time. By the way the beast cage has front mounted side handles
Yeah those arms used to mount the side handles aren’t a favorite of mine, but you can get quasi-side handle setup. I really like the third-party handles from SmallRig or Wooden Camera etc.
I got the smallrig case so I could shoot more stuff with it because I could fit it in my bag and bring it with me. next purchase: moondog filter mount 😈
SmallRig. I’ll get that one. It will still fit my belt holder.
I ordered one.
Beastgrip blocks lidar and microphone
For me, the winner is SmallRig
Original Review!
If they only made a small rig for a SE 2020
The inability to put handles on the sides and also the inability to have one Andy filter covering all lenses plus the three times the price has me the small rig the winner!
Actually there is a left and right Action Handel connected through a arm mount!!!
You’re referring to the Beastcage? If so, yeah, there is but it connects to the bottom and it’s clunky and proprietary. Wish you could do traditional side handles. But it’s still a great cage.
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Why are there so many phone filmmaking rigs designed for shooting landscape and so few for shooting in portrait (vertical)? The mediums are nearly all vertical when it comes to where most phone video content ultimately lives. People filming 16x9 and publishing it are by far the minority of the people capturing video with their phone. The phones are as awkward to handle vertically as the are horizontally yet every new "filmmaking" product that comes out for phones caters only to small group of people who publish phone videos to RUclips.
Most of these are very usable shooting vertical video, too. But I think the point is, especially in the more expensive ones, those are designed for people using their phone in more traditional ways for RUclips, corporate video, indie film, etc. Social media like TikTok or IG are typically people that are doing quick videos and often just hand holding the phone.
My experience is that I purchased the Smallrig cage and the Smallrig 1.55 anamorphic lens, then found out they were not compatible! The magnetic backplane goes round too far and the cage seems to be designed for certain Sirui and Moment lenses. A different backplane could have easily been made available. I also have 17mm threaded lenses and there is no accessory plate for my iPhone 12 Pro Max, though they are available for 13 and 14 pro maxes.
Yeah, that’s kind of funky for sure.
First!
Stopped watching when you said there was no way to mount handles on the sides. Review your product before reviewing the product.
That was a review. Lol.
You said in your “review” There is no way to mount handles on the sides of the Beastcage.
That’s 100% wrong
It’s 100% correct. I’ve used Beastcages since the iPhone 8.
You can get their custom “arms” that attach to the bottom front and then rig handles to those - but that’s not a side mount handle, it’s kinda clumsy too - and it’s a definite drawback to this otherwise excellent cage.
Beastgrip overpriced. Lacking in universal application
This extra nose, in the beginning, is very ugly.
I did not even watch further.
You know how sound is important...