Get the tamper here ▶58.35/58.5mm Force tamper set s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DFbuJe3 ▶All sizes Amazon (53, 53.5, 54, 58.35, 58.5mm) 🇺🇸 USA & int’l 🌎 amzn.to/3uPRn37 🇨🇦 CAN amzn.to/3TgMOcg
"Please don't release something else... I don't want to buy something else" - Ha! I understand that energy :) Really appreciate the deep dive into this pricey upgrade. Was curious about this from hearing you mention it in a previous video.
@@mannyr8795 400... And as it turns out manual tamping with a self leveling tamper is more consistent and you can just save 200 for the force tamper.
I have it and I love it. But you should not overestimate the idea of always having the same force. Each Tamping-stamp starts with the same energy, but the reached tamping force strongly depends on how "hard" the coffee bad is. That is because of the idea of a constant Impact. Pretty shure, the dose plays a mayor role. And I would also belief, that grind size does. I just don't think any of it matters a lot and the Force is just so very satisfiing to use!!
I think we're saying the same thing? lol the nuances of explaining this thing was a whole thing, I hope I explained it right and didn't make mistakes, I researched and spoke to Zubing Sun himself
What a great video this is, thank you… It would have definitely helped me to decide whether I want to order one or not. Anyway, I wanted to try it even though I was not able to find all the info I wanted to know. Now I have a personal experience and I can directly compare it with the Normcore V4 (with black titanium coating). Both are very good tampers, but I enjoy the precision and workflow of the Force tamper much more. I am very satisfied and although it is that expensive and not necessarily needed I would make that purchase again. 👍 👍 👍
Bomber tamper works as a torque wrench which you are the only one of the youtubers who seems to have understood, kudos. I would probably say that Bomber-like tampers work just as well as The force tampers with how accurate they are. I would have preferred Bomber to be 58.5 instead of 58.35, that's the only down side.
phiou thank god I understood, I went through all the documentation I could think of and also saw a video of how a NERF gun works that seemed similar in mechanics. Ya I would've gone for the BOMBER too but I need the 58.5
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Yeah like it’s a win! / I approve and use every day haha. I did have a phase using the normcore one and it’s fine too, but the force tamper I think is the one I’d keep if I had to pick.
@@Markinthemix if I were to get a bigger coffee bar and space and perhaps her the Pullman for fun for when I want to just be more present with the coffee routine and manual but otherwise force tamper is definitely my go to and probably will be for a while
The Force was on my short list. I love all the options. The deal breaker is all the grounds that accumulate above the tamping plate. I'm going to go with the Bravo if they ever come back in stock in the US.
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Now you've done it! Now I'm thinking the same thing. I currently use an Espro, which has a 30lb. spring. I want to upgrade for the leveling feature. I probably don't need it, but, like you, I want it.
@@williamrowe7648 if you're a skilled at tamping and/or love it, it's fine otherwise I'd say the self-leveling is actually the MUST HAVE feature on a tamper, for me anyway. Self leveling + tight fit are the must haves, the rest is nice to haves.
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Whole Latte Love just back in the 58.5mm Bravo tampers in case you want to get one 'for fun'. Just saying 🤪 I ordered the wood handle version.
sure do! s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DkDjUKp make sure to select "one way valve" option and I have a video about it too! ruclips.net/video/yk-crAu0sL8/видео.html
you just saw the Lance Hedrick video didn't you lol I was curious about if it would impact anything and it seems it does due to a wider range of extraction yield, the extraction yield is still very high so yes statistically you're looking at a wider range but in reality, I am fine with it, coffee tastes great, I'm not too worried on the exact TDS and all @@stephan3077
I needed a new tamper that was 58.5 to fit my Weber Unibasket as my older ECM puck style was leaving crumbs on the sides of the basket so I bought the Force tamper after much deliberation. Glad I did. Would you not be concerned about buying knock-offs from Ali Express?
I've purchased a lot of things off aliexpress and have had no issues so far. The same concern can be said about Amazon as it's a marketplace. It's all about making as informed decisions as you can. I have been using mine for several weeks and have no reason to believe it's a fake. If it's worth anything, I did reach out to the store before and they said they were a reseller of the force tamper and they have high rating as a store on their shop. They even reached out to me to ask if I wanted the newer silver logo version.
I haven't noticed that but it's possible it could be the case for some people. I haven't read anyone having that issue when I was researching to get mine
@@Bowser558 suction cup effect on the see through basket I used doesn't mimic IRL 1:1 due to higher basket height and suction cup effect. The see through basket has no holes on the bottom whatsoever. On an espresso basket there are so some air can escape from there whereas here it has nowhere to go. Just a theory though but I don't feel the invisible basket gives the exact representation a true basket would. Including it's slick plastic VS the metal etc
"I don't know why all these coffee accessories come with velvet baggies." It's cause coffee enthusiasts aren't basic bitches, and we deserve the feel of velvet on our accessories.
Hi there I currently have breville barista express with hopes to upgrade to dual boiler later on if I get the force tamper in 54mm can I swap the base for a 58mm one later on
I actually wrote the creator directly about this same question the other day and they just got back to me today: "The tamper bodies are the same. How even, you need to exchange the levelling plate if you jump from one size group to another. (e.g. 58s to 53/54 or vice versa."
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Thanks so much for the info really tempted me to buy it now as that has always been holding me back not being able to use it on a machine if I upgrade
Same thing in a different way.. I do think you are enamored by the gadget though by your verbiage and self admission of espresso enthusiasts snobbery of the equipment.. Immediate compaction by an abrupt punch does not necessarily mean better flavor as you admit, but the gadget did win an award for innovativeness, but not quality outcome.. I think it's like the wavy puck smoothing tools that have been shown to be not valuable and in fact deterimental due to surface effect, and compaction. In metaphor, think of a swift boxers punch like a jab, vs a comparitively slow right cross that knocks people back. Anyways, it was nice conversing with you, and may the blessings of the universe befall you. @@GadgetsGearCoffee
I'd agree until I got one and also, it's not the same tech so you're comparing apples to oranges that being said, like I said in the video you don't need it and I went with years just fine without one
Get the tamper here ▶58.35/58.5mm Force tamper set s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DFbuJe3
▶All sizes Amazon (53, 53.5, 54, 58.35, 58.5mm)
🇺🇸 USA & int’l 🌎 amzn.to/3uPRn37
🇨🇦 CAN amzn.to/3TgMOcg
None of the aliexpress links work, please fix?
@@TheEyesOfNicon try this one s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DDn8EZp
What a great video..Well done! I really liked how you said would this make your coffee better..No, probably not. NO bs so well done.
nothing replaces good technique and a good understanding overall, in the end a tool is just a tool, it can help but to a degree
Very good review! Thank you for sharing.
the only dealbreaker is the PRICE !
"Please don't release something else... I don't want to buy something else" - Ha! I understand that energy :) Really appreciate the deep dive into this pricey upgrade. Was curious about this from hearing you mention it in a previous video.
Got this early on in my espresso hobby and never found a reason to look further! This and the autocomb = ultimate consistency and speed.
That's the ultimate combo
$200 down the drain 😂
@@mannyr8795 400... And as it turns out manual tamping with a self leveling tamper is more consistent and you can just save 200 for the force tamper.
I have it and I love it. But you should not overestimate the idea of always having the same force. Each Tamping-stamp starts with the same energy, but the reached tamping force strongly depends on how "hard" the coffee bad is. That is because of the idea of a constant Impact. Pretty shure, the dose plays a mayor role. And I would also belief, that grind size does.
I just don't think any of it matters a lot and the Force is just so very satisfiing to use!!
I think we're saying the same thing? lol the nuances of explaining this thing was a whole thing, I hope I explained it right and didn't make mistakes, I researched and spoke to Zubing Sun himself
What a great video this is, thank you… It would have definitely helped me to decide whether I want to order one or not. Anyway, I wanted to try it even though I was not able to find all the info I wanted to know. Now I have a personal experience and I can directly compare it with the Normcore V4 (with black titanium coating). Both are very good tampers, but I enjoy the precision and workflow of the Force tamper much more. I am very satisfied and although it is that expensive and not necessarily needed I would make that purchase again. 👍 👍 👍
Great review Jess!
Bomber tamper works as a torque wrench which you are the only one of the youtubers who seems to have understood, kudos.
I would probably say that Bomber-like tampers work just as well as The force tampers with how accurate they are.
I would have preferred Bomber to be 58.5 instead of 58.35, that's the only down side.
phiou thank god I understood, I went through all the documentation I could think of and also saw a video of how a NERF gun works that seemed similar in mechanics. Ya I would've gone for the BOMBER too but I need the 58.5
The coffee that gets stuck in the force tamper is annoying for sure, but it is so easy to use and takes a variable out of the equation…W tamper.
W tamper? It's annoying but doesn't affect the ramping in any way that I can tell and is only 0.1g of retention after 6 Tamps so quite négligeable
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Yeah like it’s a win! / I approve and use every day haha. I did have a phase using the normcore one and it’s fine too, but the force tamper I think is the one I’d keep if I had to pick.
@@Markinthemix if I were to get a bigger coffee bar and space and perhaps her the Pullman for fun for when I want to just be more present with the coffee routine and manual but otherwise force tamper is definitely my go to and probably will be for a while
The Force was on my short list. I love all the options. The deal breaker is all the grounds that accumulate above the tamping plate. I'm going to go with the Bravo if they ever come back in stock in the US.
glad the review helped - I'm also thinking of getting a BRAVO tamper and swapping between it and the FORCE for fun
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Now you've done it! Now I'm thinking the same thing. I currently use an Espro, which has a 30lb. spring. I want to upgrade for the leveling feature. I probably don't need it, but, like you, I want it.
@@williamrowe7648 if you're a skilled at tamping and/or love it, it's fine otherwise I'd say the self-leveling is actually the MUST HAVE feature on a tamper, for me anyway. Self leveling + tight fit are the must haves, the rest is nice to haves.
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Whole Latte Love just back in the 58.5mm Bravo tampers in case you want to get one 'for fun'. Just saying 🤪 I ordered the wood handle version.
@@williamrowe7648 don't do this to me >
Originally followed/subscribed because she’s very attractive, stayed for the good coffee gear videos!
Quality content either way 👌
Good day do you have a link for the single dose coffee bean cellar? Great Video
sure do! s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DkDjUKp make sure to select "one way valve" option and I have a video about it too! ruclips.net/video/yk-crAu0sL8/видео.html
Idk why I'm watching till end since I'm always making 3in1 instant coffee
LOL coffee as a hobby is a fascinating world that's why! Also, you will probably join the dark side soon enough
later they will come with digital led on the knob that mention the presssure level that maybe controllable haha who knows
oh god no, I don't even think that'd be necessary anyway
I like this tamper. Sometimes I worry that the impact seperates the puck from the basket.
I think it's quite the opposite
@@GadgetsGearCoffeeunless there's evidence to the contrary, I would say that the risk that you introduce breaks and thus channels is not negligible.
you just saw the Lance Hedrick video didn't you lol I was curious about if it would impact anything and it seems it does due to a wider range of extraction yield, the extraction yield is still very high so yes statistically you're looking at a wider range but in reality, I am fine with it, coffee tastes great, I'm not too worried on the exact TDS and all @@stephan3077
Video idea/request/project for ya - how to make the BDB more quiet 😊
did you watch my latest BDB video? One of the things I do mswap the brew pump and OPV for brass parts, that helps to quiet it a little
ruclips.net/video/n2q0zFQa0Jo/видео.html
I needed a new tamper that was 58.5 to fit my Weber Unibasket as my older ECM puck style was leaving crumbs on the sides of the basket so I bought the Force tamper after much deliberation. Glad I did. Would you not be concerned about buying knock-offs from Ali Express?
I've purchased a lot of things off aliexpress and have had no issues so far. The same concern can be said about Amazon as it's a marketplace. It's all about making as informed decisions as you can. I have been using mine for several weeks and have no reason to believe it's a fake. If it's worth anything, I did reach out to the store before and they said they were a reseller of the force tamper and they have high rating as a store on their shop. They even reached out to me to ask if I wanted the newer silver logo version.
Does it not upset the puck? The force on the push impact seem to cause coffee powder to fly upwards.
I haven't noticed that but it's possible it could be the case for some people. I haven't read anyone having that issue when I was researching to get mine
@@GadgetsGearCoffee it’s visible in this video 🫣
@@Bowser558 suction cup effect on the see through basket I used doesn't mimic IRL 1:1 due to higher basket height and suction cup effect. The see through basket has no holes on the bottom whatsoever. On an espresso basket there are so some air can escape from there whereas here it has nowhere to go. Just a theory though but I don't feel the invisible basket gives the exact representation a true basket would. Including it's slick plastic VS the metal etc
"I don't know why all these coffee accessories come with velvet baggies."
It's cause coffee enthusiasts aren't basic bitches, and we deserve the feel of velvet on our accessories.
fant-see ☝
Hi there I currently have breville barista express with hopes to upgrade to dual boiler later on if I get the force tamper in 54mm can I swap the base for a 58mm one later on
for that size check with Force Tamper to be sure, I know you can swap bases on the same size but not sure on different bases and size
I actually wrote the creator directly about this same question the other day and they just got back to me today: "The tamper bodies are the same. How even, you need to exchange the levelling plate if you jump from one size group to another. (e.g. 58s to 53/54 or vice versa."
@@GadgetsGearCoffee Thanks so much for the info really tempted me to buy it now as that has always been holding me back not being able to use it on a machine if I upgrade
Does it have adjustable depth?
No, this works differently. The adjustable depth isn't really helpful anyway as you need enough coffee to compact and dose in the basket
Normcore is just as good for a LOT LESS.
Normcore is a great one but it is different so we are comparing apples to oranges. Both are good it comes down to preference
Same thing in a different way.. I do think you are enamored by the gadget though by your verbiage and self admission of espresso enthusiasts snobbery of the equipment.. Immediate compaction by an abrupt punch does not necessarily mean better flavor as you admit, but the gadget did win an award for innovativeness, but not quality outcome.. I think it's like the wavy puck smoothing tools that have been shown to be not valuable and in fact deterimental due to surface effect, and compaction. In metaphor, think of a swift boxers punch like a jab, vs a comparitively slow right cross that knocks people back. Anyways, it was nice conversing with you, and may the blessings of the universe befall you. @@GadgetsGearCoffee
Just buy a Normcore... the price of this Force Tamper is rediculous.
I'd agree until I got one and also, it's not the same tech so you're comparing apples to oranges that being said, like I said in the video you don't need it and I went with years just fine without one
I just watched a review of normcore v4. The tamper does not seem solid, it wobbles from side to side
@@FullThrottle2 there's also just something about having wood handles with tampers that are more enjoyable and likely affects pricing
Mhw3bomber now has the impact!!!!
Their company is really making a name for themselves in the coffee game!