You just reviewed my two favorite brands, in reverse! I own a Ride 1 Up LMT'D with cadence sensor, and am ready to order a Velotric Nomad 1 fat tire bike. The LMT'D's fork is an air shock, which is probably why you said it felt better. Pretty sure Velotric does not have an air shock although they are billed as being a "hydraulic shock". I have friends who love their torque-sensing ebikes, but they all agree that you must pedal hard to reach top speed. At 77, I don't want to work that hard although I must admit that my cadence-sensor LMT'D requires some serious legwork to get it up to 28 mph.
I have the same fear about needing to do too much work on a torque sensor. Cant you fix that on the LMT/d by tweaking the assist levels ?@@AntonioSanson
Both of these have fairly upright riding postures so getting to and sustaining 28mph is going to take some work. I can get my LMT’d to 25-26mph easily, but getting it to 28mph takes noticeably more effort and the wind is roaring in my ears. You can tuck to make it easier but then riding isn’t as enjoyable. To answer your question. Yes, you can adjust the number of PAS levels and modify the max % output of the motor for each level. If you don’t want to put in as much effort, choose 0/1-3 or 0/1-5 levels of assist and adjust the default %s of each level. One quirk is a level can’t be set to a value higher than any of the higher levels are set to, so you may have to make more than one pass through the advanced power level settings to achieve the settings you want. For example, if levels 1, 2 and 3 are factory set to 33%, 50% and 80%, and you want 1 to be 60%, you can’t set level 1 to any higher than 49% on your first pass. You’d set it to 49%, set 2 to something higher than 60%, then set 1 to 60% on the second pass through etc.
@@chow-chihuang4903I have a Ride1Up Portola. One of the absolutely greatest features is being able to customize each PAS level individually. The Portola factory default didn’t suit my riding, but a little experimentation and dialing it in, and that li’l Portola is now simply perfect for me and my rides.
Great comparison Antonio! I got the Ride1Up Cafe Cruiser a couple months ago... then the Lectric Xpedition... now I'm building one from scratch. These things are addictive!
I was actually comparison shopping between the Lectric XP 3.0 and the Ride1Up LMT'D and but ended up getting the LMT'D (but haven't assembled it yet). Can you tell me if your Xpedition produces a smoother ride with its fatter tires vs the Cafe Cruiser?
Comparing two kind of different bikes and setups here. One has a speed-targeting cadence sensor system (the type that offers the least amount of control over how much assistance the bike gives you) whereas the other has a torque sensor system that delivers assistance in proportion to the effort you put into pedaling, and the most amount of control. It would have been more appropriate to compare the step-thru Discover 1 against the step-thru Turris from Ride1Up. Both use a cadence sensor, hydraulic fork and a 60-65Nm peak torque geared hub motor. The key difference between those two is the Ride1Up’s cadence sensor system uses power-setting PAS, that gives you more control over the boost the bike gives you at each PAS level. I despise the arbitrary power delivery curves that speed-setting cadence sensor systems use. I was twice tossed off and kept making overly wide turns on an ebike up that way until I dialed its PAS 1 and 2 waaaay down so I wouldn’t get a surge of over 900W of power starting from a stop. As far as bars, the step-thru version of the LMT’d has cruiser bars, similar to what the step-thru Discover 1 has.
I actually like that the throttle on the D1 only goes as fast as the pedal assist gets you to. Because it does that, I can ride on a path that has a speed limit, and just hold the throttle all the way down instead of having to push down the throttle half way
The biggest difference is that Velotric has many dealers where you can get service and support vs having a brick in your garage when problems arise with Rideoneup!
Dude, Really!! Your comparing a upgraded version of one bike with a non upgraded version of another. Apples and oranges. Just stop. You should pull this review.
Lol chill. the new Barbie movie & Oppenheimer are two completely different movies that people are comparing. People also compare iPhone cameras to cinema cameras. And I think people even compare e-bikes to cars 😂. I think everything will be okay. I think people will find this review helpful (just not you of course)
Thanks for the review. I purchased the Ride1Up Lmt’d and it is a super ride!
I love the torque sensor in it!
You just reviewed my two favorite brands, in reverse! I own a Ride 1 Up LMT'D with cadence sensor, and am ready to order a Velotric Nomad 1 fat tire bike. The LMT'D's fork is an air shock, which is probably why you said it felt better. Pretty sure Velotric does not have an air shock although they are billed as being a "hydraulic shock". I have friends who love their torque-sensing ebikes, but they all agree that you must pedal hard to reach top speed. At 77, I don't want to work that hard although I must admit that my cadence-sensor LMT'D requires some serious legwork to get it up to 28 mph.
I like your input. Both of these brands are great!
I have the same fear about needing to do too much work on a torque sensor. Cant you fix that on the LMT/d by tweaking the assist levels ?@@AntonioSanson
Both of these have fairly upright riding postures so getting to and sustaining 28mph is going to take some work. I can get my LMT’d to 25-26mph easily, but getting it to 28mph takes noticeably more effort and the wind is roaring in my ears. You can tuck to make it easier but then riding isn’t as enjoyable.
To answer your question. Yes, you can adjust the number of PAS levels and modify the max % output of the motor for each level. If you don’t want to put in as much effort, choose 0/1-3 or 0/1-5 levels of assist and adjust the default %s of each level.
One quirk is a level can’t be set to a value higher than any of the higher levels are set to, so you may have to make more than one pass through the advanced power level settings to achieve the settings you want. For example, if levels 1, 2 and 3 are factory set to 33%, 50% and 80%, and you want 1 to be 60%, you can’t set level 1 to any higher than 49% on your first pass. You’d set it to 49%, set 2 to something higher than 60%, then set 1 to 60% on the second pass through etc.
@@chow-chihuang4903I have a Ride1Up Portola. One of the absolutely greatest features is being able to customize each PAS level individually. The Portola factory default didn’t suit my riding, but a little experimentation and dialing it in, and that li’l Portola is now simply perfect for me and my rides.
Nice review, Antonio! Always appreciate your candid information and friendly delivery.
I appreciate it 🤠🤘🏼
Great comparison Antonio! I got the Ride1Up Cafe Cruiser a couple months ago... then the Lectric Xpedition... now I'm building one from scratch. These things are addictive!
I was actually comparison shopping between the Lectric XP 3.0 and the Ride1Up LMT'D and but ended up getting the LMT'D (but haven't assembled it yet). Can you tell me if your Xpedition produces a smoother ride with its fatter tires vs the Cafe Cruiser?
@@mkygod Cafe Cruiser is smoother cuz of the front suspension, which the Xpedition lacks.
@samhaswell thanks! They are a blast!
@mkygod I really enjoy my LMT’D so I can’t wait for you to assemble it!
Nice review and agree the Ride1Up Lmt’d the best.
Comparing two kind of different bikes and setups here. One has a speed-targeting cadence sensor system (the type that offers the least amount of control over how much assistance the bike gives you) whereas the other has a torque sensor system that delivers assistance in proportion to the effort you put into pedaling, and the most amount of control. It would have been more appropriate to compare the step-thru Discover 1 against the step-thru Turris from Ride1Up. Both use a cadence sensor, hydraulic fork and a 60-65Nm peak torque geared hub motor.
The key difference between those two is the Ride1Up’s cadence sensor system uses power-setting PAS, that gives you more control over the boost the bike gives you at each PAS level. I despise the arbitrary power delivery curves that speed-setting cadence sensor systems use. I was twice tossed off and kept making overly wide turns on an ebike up that way until I dialed its PAS 1 and 2 waaaay down so I wouldn’t get a surge of over 900W of power starting from a stop.
As far as bars, the step-thru version of the LMT’d has cruiser bars, similar to what the step-thru Discover 1 has.
I actually like that the throttle on the D1 only goes as fast as the pedal assist gets you to. Because it does that, I can ride on a path that has a speed limit, and just hold the throttle all the way down instead of having to push down the throttle half way
The biggest difference is that Velotric has many dealers where you can get service and support vs having a brick in your garage when problems arise with Rideoneup!
The range on Pedal Assist and only electric are different for both bikes
Dude, Really!! Your comparing a upgraded version of one bike with a non upgraded version of another.
Apples and oranges. Just stop. You should pull this review.
Lol chill.
the new Barbie movie & Oppenheimer are two completely different movies that people are comparing. People also compare iPhone cameras to cinema cameras. And I think people even compare e-bikes to cars 😂. I think everything will be okay. I think people will find this review helpful (just not you of course)