Get Zinc, Carbon Electrodes and MnO2 from a Lantern Battery
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- We get Zinc, Carbon Electrodes and Manganese dioxide from a lantern battery.
We'll be using all of these components in upcoming videos.
Zinc is a good metal for battery experiments:
• Make a Copper sulfate ...
Carbon electrodes are good for electrolysis.
Manganese dioxide will be used to make potassium permanganate.
yeah, the carbon rod will be the same, but the zinc will be corroded and the magnese dioxide will have partially converted into manganese (III) oxides. But still usable for the most part,
If only lithium batteries were this easy to open...
Haha lol
I thought it was pretty easy to open lithium batteries, but not very easy to avoid having electrolyte spray everywhere.
@@VoidHalo do all under water, man. then should process the solution
@@panchisjaviergrocar134 Lithium reacts with water, so all this is gonna do is convert it into lithium hydroxide, which you can just buy at the store. Plus "processing" it requires electrolysis, which requires building an electrolytic cell and finding a way to deal with the lithium reacting with water both in the air and in the cell. Plus electrolysis is incredibly wasteful and expensive. It just doesn't make any sense.
Also, you're not talking about lithium ion cells. You're talking about just regular non-rechargable lithium batteries. There's no recoverable lithium in lithium ion cells. At least not easily recoverable.
Hey man, I am nowhere near being a nerd but this was pretty cool. I think im subscribing after I watch a few more of your vids. Keep it up it's interesting.
another source of carbon electrodes are air-arc rods - they are copper-coated carbon used for gouging metal.
pretty much any welding supply store will have these.
King of random showed me this channel and I'm now a subscriber
PART 3:
This is an awesome tip and worked like a charm for me, to get the most out in gathering the MnO2, forget the screw driver, use the handle of a table spoon that you will not be able to ruturn to the kitchen so once in the lab it will never go back, anywho JAM THE HANDLE of the Table Spoon straight into the MnO2 while hugging the the side of the cell, works best this way, if you go in the middle it dont work, once at the bottom, pry the spoons handle towards the other wall and slide...
This is the only thing I've been able to do at home it was easy
"There are no AA batteries like the fake viral video." - NurdRage
Kaviaari's last video was 4 months ago, while dbc616 was two months ago and a promise to start again in September. If kaviaari should produce another video I will return him to the channel box. If dbc616 should renege on their promise to restart in September then he shall be removed. But until either of those conditions are met, the channel box make up shall remain as it is.
Being passionate about science doesn't help if they don't produce videos on a regular basis.
Now I'm interested to see what Manganese Dioxide is used for...
@NurdRage: Update: erosion is considerable, but you can filter it through. I'm in the process of making the manganous sulfate from one of your more recent videos, as a proof-of-concept experiment such that I can make my own, more stable anodes (as you have in the other video).
But that being said, a carbon rod works well as an anode. At 5 V and 700 mA, the part submerged in the liquid will wear away after a few days, but not egregiously so. For 3.00 for a battery, that's 75 cents per anode. :)
yes, idk about the electrolysis, i didn't even think about it yet. You can use graphite as an electrode. they do breakdown btw, you'll need the right voltage. I just did this btw, its really easy to do.
@uut0 The lead is in the manganese dioxide and in the zinc. the zinc is naturally contaminated with lead. The manganese dioxide got it's lead from the manufacturing process that used lead electrodes, a tiny amount of lead shavings come off when the manganese dioxide is separated from the electrode. A small amount of lead may also be natural depending on the source of MnO2.
You are not screwed, but don't do it again.
Is it possible to "coat" the carbon rod in an electrochemical way with a layer of MnO2 to make it more stable? I've tried to do so using a MnSO4 solution and electrolysing it with the carbon rod as anode, but all I got from that was a "sludge" of MnO2 which was swimming in the electrolyte but it didn't cling to the electrode. Do you need a certain electrode current density/pH/Mn(2+) concentration/temperature to make it work? If yes does someone have the data?
If you want cheap zinc metal for chemistry experiments, you can also use U.S. pennies after 1982. You can obtain a surprising number of metals cheaply from coinage, including copper (pennies before 1982), silver (generic silver rounds, generally much cheaper than bars), and nickel (Canadian nickels before 1981, and most dimes/quarters).
PART 4: sorry not enough room.... after you rock and slide the handle out of the MnO2 and bring it out you will get the entire contents paper and all out, much faster and I find you get more out as the paper hangs on for all life and its beautiful. After doing this to two heavy batteries I was able to speed up the work, yeld more MnO2 about 810g total, and made paper removal super easy. I needed to share this as the vidoes are awesome thanks!!!!
I agree kipkay is great, i can't hope to beat him, but he doesn't do chemistry, so i gotta fill the gap.
As for the voice, i've put subtitles on most of the videos, you can turn those on and turn off the sound.
no, but the carbon rods in this video are used in a 1.5 volt battery. I'd start there. Also, i used 45 volts for electrolysis with graphite. It smoked in the air. I'd say you should start from around 1.5 volts to 12. 6v may also be good, as the rods came from a 6v battery. They shouldn't decompose tooo much btw. buy some salt and some mechanical pencil lead and try it out before you try it with whatever you want to use them for. It may vary depending on solution.
You can use those carbon rods to make an arc light or an electrical arc furnace. All sorts of trouble you can get into 8->
If you take apart alkaline you can get a steel casing, manganese, carbon rod, and zinc powder, (just be sure to wear gloves as alkaline batteries contain either KOH or NOH)
He explained it in one of his later videos about lithium batteries: For pure chemicals, you should use a fresh one. The chemicals get used up when you drain you batteries.
Is there a risk when opening a fully charged one? Try to avoid shorting the zinc can and the carbon rod when extracting the rod with a metal tool.
Taking one of these things apart was a slow art in itself, however while doing it I took slow time and examined what I was doing and in a collective time of 2 hours I have some tricks that make it a bit easier. 1: There's no need to cut all the way around the top with a knife, just score one side and a cornor and by using wire cutters make a hole in the side, then use needle nose plyers to POP the top off. (running out of room lol so I will make a second comment....
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Now bubble in some CO2 (or slowly add another weak acid) and it will disproportionate to MnO2 (+4) and KMnO4 (+7). Now filter again (through glass), evaporate some water (so that you have a conc solution) then cool it down and KMnO4 should ppt out.
If anyone is wondering what type of battery it is - it's an "4R25".
Yeah, but those are so small that it might not be worth it. the rods might break or it might be too hard to scoop out the MnO2, but all the chemicals are still the same :)
Carbon rod is unaffected, manganese dioxide will be purer, and zinc will be thicker in a new battery.
cool, i always dismantle them but didnt know what it was...and it actually works with a double A battery too.
that would be because the average stove top can only reach about 260 degrees c when zinc melts at 420 degrees c not hot enough to melt zinc. also when you preform the flame test on zinc it becomes a greenish blue so thats your green colour not MnO2 hope that helped
awesome, can't wait to see what you make out of it.
Man... if science was this cool in high school I probably would've ditched less often.
wow ive been storing the black soot these batteries had in them...didnt know i could make anything out of it!
O_o
DO NOT DO THAT!!
It's pretty clear you haven't actually done that reaction.
Mixing hydrochloric with manganese dioxide produces large amounts chlorine gas. You also get Mn(II) chloride that when mixed with sodium hydroxide give you MnO, not MnO2.
DO NOT try to dissolve manganese dioxide with hydrochloric acid!
if I want to do this?, i need Cl2(g)
i'm not certain if zinc can be ground, but if you can, go for it.
You can watch the video on making potassium permanganate from the magnesium dioxide...
@AZMALING Your welcome and I wasn't even taking it apart when i leaked i shorted it out in a battery holder.
@SmrtA55 An energizer lantern battery does not have 16-32 AA batteries.
Also there is a layer of ammonium chloride close to the mangnese(IV) oxide.
I suppose you could. but its very impure and highly contaminated, i don't suggest it to be a viable source of those chemicals.
Finally, a video that doesn't start with "Warning"! :P
Let's hope that the next videos will also be safe to do on home...
haha. I actually used the same method to get what I need for my science fair project. The rods worked wonderfully as electrodes
@threebuddies oh. thanks for the info. no wonder the plastic gloves i was using just corroded away .
Your voice sounds like you are telling some secret or something.
Is he not?
@DELGOTHA
Part 2, lol,,, 2: after seperating the large celled (4) batteries and you want to save the top and wiring on the carbon rod, forgot attempting to pull it out, instead use the needle nose plyers to roll back the zinc metal cells lip do this all around and you can access under the plastic top which this also makes cutting it no longer needed, use the needle nose players to grab the rod from under the plastic cap Final very helpful tip, running out of room, lol Part 3
As for that fake viral video reference @0:52: There are no unicorns or old school game boys, either.
Anywho, that video still cracks me up.
Fantastic, I just ripped one open and it means I don't have to buy zinc online.
Such batteries are usually based on Lead-Acid chemistry and thus contain very different components than Carbon zinc type. You won't obtain any of these particular materials from it.
Manganese oxide (IV) is Mn2O4 and Manganese dioxide is MnO2, the formulas are different but if you go to wikipedia it says they are the same. I think wikipedia is wrong!
You forgot one thing: There is carbon powder added to the MnO2 to increase its conductivity. I exploit this when I pyrolyze the MnO2 to Mn because the extra carbon helps reduce it.
yes, but you'd have to wash it. idk how you'd get it into a rod though, the rods are really hard. I'd compare it to aluminum, although not quite as hard and its not maleable at all.
Usually no. The zinc will of reacted to much and the manganese dioxide will be really hard. Much better to use a new new and fully charged super-heavy duty.
You can not get anywhere near pure maganese dioxide from a carbon zinc battery.
Apart from the electrolyte(ammonium chloride or zinc chloride).
There will also be a fraction of carbon black black mixed the maganese dioxide.
A typical zinc carbon battery would contain 70-80% of maganese dioxide by dry mass.
I have done this with alkaline batterys you get zinc powder instead of the solid case and you still get Mn02. The only problem is dealing with the KOH witch is not that bad. I have also heard that the quality of the Mn02 is better but could be wrong.
What is the problem with alkaline battery if the structure is similar
@NelsonR001
The powder is highly likely to be zinc oxide, as the metal oxidizes rapidly when heated;
2Zn + O2 --> 2ZnO
@ignilc
You can make permanganate from the MnO2 if you heat it together with KNO3/KOH in a crucible to some hundred degrees celsius (gas burner). Then dissolve it in a little water, pass it through a glass filter (paper would get attacked) then you should have a solution of dark green K2MnO4 which is manganate (ox state +6).
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The Saturn V moon rocket ran on kerosene and liquid oxygen in the first stage, and liquid hydrogen and liquid oxygen in the upper stages.
@pyropakman
I haven't tried them yet for that, i would assume the erosion would be pretty high. But if you want to give it a shot go for it and report to me the results. :)
MnO2 is used in parkerising (a type of gun blueing)
On Twitter, you said you weren't gonna make any new vids. Except safely taking apart batteries. Still cool, man!
Anyway, can these chemicals do something else harmful besides stain your hands?
@ImLostProducitons I always have this comedy/action scene in mind where a talking dog is defusing a bomb with the help of someone over a radio...
Tech on radio: "OK now, cut the red wire!"
Dog: "CRAP!"
The Dawn of Nations advert just gets hotter and hotter...
hey nurdrage! how do i clean the zinc from the manganese dioxide excess on its walls? please keep making videos its freaking amazing!
I did this with AAA battery just for try. I was need Zinc, and I found it. This is nice because on this way you can recicle your old batterys. Just if battery was used you have to clean the zinc verry good. But nice metod. Thanx NurdRage! Oh yea, if you need a website, I can help you! We are renting servers (hostings) so if you want it, I can give it to you for free, because I love your videos! Send me a message!
WoW... This helped a lot Nurd! Thanks for explaining!
@AZMALING Yes. They are what caused some spots on my desk.
Lithium is amazing. Iv been using them for my camcorders every day for like 5 years without losing one.
whoa,and i saw another video coming after this one,the title is ''Make Potassium Permanganate (sort of...)''
The ZnCl2 or NH4Cl could also be recovered from the MnO2 washes.
I took apart a Duracell Alkaline Battery, 6 volt Lantern Battery and found with in it 4 D cell alkaline batteries.
is this your normal voice or do you change ´the sound frequency, when recording your voice?
Well there is (MnO2)2 so technically it does exist but that's not the structural formula and it exists only under high pressure
the battery in that "viral video" was alkaline. this is a carbon/zinc battery
Should the battery be new or dead or does it matter? Thanks Great Vid.
I took apart the graphite rod and attempted to perform electrolysis to produce some iron oxide, so i put the carbon rod as cathode and iron piece as anode, salty water, a glass, and i used an ATX 12V 15A power supply, started current, rapidly carbon bar started to bubble a lot, water started to heat and than this mysterious cloud of blue-green tiny cristals that floated in the water than precipitated in a cloudy form. Is that chlorine? what happened?
@iliya1997 Time ago someone asked the same to him and he answered that that's his real voice not a make up.
Thanks for the idea. I bought a pack of 2 D cell from a dollar store. Yes, 1 $ for a pack of 2.
I suggest you all to use a new battery. I have opend a few depleated ones but it turnd out to be usless. All the zinc metal has reacted and became Zinc Oxide.
Even the manganese dioxide was like a stone. The only thing i coud get was the carbon electrod.
Hope i helped you.
Smart, very smart
i learned not to do that in grade 10.
manganese and hydrochloric should not be put together.
@dominiks2486 It's painfully obvious you've never actually opened one yourself.
Ah, the return of the "F" cells. Does the depolarizer contain carbon, or is it just MnO2 and soluble electrolyte? I have a recipe for black coating on Iron which utilizes MnO2 and KNO3, but it requires a reasonable amount of heating fir the process to be successful, and heating a colloidal carbon with an oxidizer is potentially hazardous. I can't help but wonder if this process might be more effective than the electrolytic process your other video illustrates on electrode coating. This strictly chemical/heat process does away with the undesired side effect of bubbles at the electrode surface that may be the root cause of the flaking of the deposited MnO2 coating. Also, since this process is directed toward Iron/steel, could this be utilized to utilize Iron for electrode media, instead of more exotic/expensive materials, since this is not intended to be a commercial/industrial synthesis? Just a few brain droppings.
Exactly! And, most AA batteries are 1.5 volts, and it's only a 6 volt battery! There could not be 32 of them in a single 6 volt!
@BogMonkey53 lemon juice reacts with the MnO2 to make interesting ligands so lemon juice will work it's because of the citric acid
Can i use the Carbon Electrodes to make kclo3 or kclo4 or will they break down quickly and contaminate it quickly and is there a way around contamination with out haveing to but the
Pt anode and the Ti cathode because they cost lots.
Please reply.
awesome video 5*
Hello,
There is a way to purify the MnO2 out of batteries.
MnO2 + 4HCl --> MnCl2 + Cl2 + 2H2O
MnCl2 + 2NaHCO3 --> MnCO3 + 2NaCl + H2O + CO2
MnCO3 + 2HNO3 --> Mn(NO3)2 + H2O + CO2
Mn(NO3)2 --> MnO2 + 2NO2
I know this would be an expensive alternative to purefy this,
But it would be a great expiriment.
Every time i see a battery cut open now, it reminds me of the awful egg smell the Lithium Batts give off! Should this battery also need to be new for best results? Thanks again!
-Mike
today i broke down my first ever ready "super heavy duty" battery.........(it fell apart pretty easily, was it so ready?) anyway; this wonderful device yielded 4 carbon rods; zinc metal and the manganese....however, it was expired (we have a battery recycling program where i work, free and easy supply of batteries, including lithium ones.) does the expiration of its usable life yield any more or less compromised materials? for example, a lot of adhesive buildup was noticed around the tops...
@NurdRage it does
@FortNikitaBullion If you want nickel, canadian 10 cents up to 1999 is a good source. 99.9%.
After that, it became steel plated with nickel. Oh yeah, same deal with 25 cents.
Let me guess, that manganese is going to be permanganate in a few weeks. Hopefully, ammonium permanganate.
Carbon rod is activated carbon?
I used this exact same thing for the rods to maky hydrogen gas.
İs it dead battery ?
OF COURSE THE SUBSTANCE IN CERTAIN TYPES OF COMMON HOUSEHOLD BATTERIES IS REMARKABLE SIMILAR TO CHLORAMINE, WHICH IS USED TO CHEMICALLY CONSTRUCT HYDRAZINE. Which as any true nerd knows is rocket fuel. Q: how much hydrazine did it take to get man to the moon.
Its not a fake viral it has to be the enegiser lanturn.. i really did it to find out. and durecell lanmturn had 4 d sizr baterys so you should correct that.
Would thses still be useful if the battery is almost dead? or used a bit?
Mine had paper around the black stuff and white salt like substance covering the paper, do i have the right kind of battery? what is the white salty stuff? the battery is a ray-o-vac heavy duty.. it was really ole and rusted,and the outside case is metal..
you'r welcome.
Mr. NurdRage, would you make a video on a semi-scalable water electrolysis process? Mine eat electrodes, and pollute my electrolyte. I don't know if I'm using the wrong electrode material, electrolyte, polarity, voltage, or current. There is a lot of elementary electrolysis on RUclips, but you know much more about it than typical posters. I'd like to be able to float a decent-sized balloon, without wasting helium. Or reply with whatever suggestions you have. Thanks!
correct me if i'm wrong, but manganese(iv) oxide is manganese dioxide
yes if you add soap
I tried doing this with a d battery from the dollar store and it worked well. The only problem was I couldn't really clean out the zinc casing too well. Would it still be ok to use the zinc to make gold pennies if it is all dirty? If not where else can you find zinc because I have been looking all over