Daggerboards or Keels - Over 40 000 miles on Balance Catamarans!
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- Опубликовано: 1 фев 2024
- Part two of my review of the boats we have sailed on and what I feel are the best choices in making these catamarans the most user friendly when it comes to short hand sailing and ease of maintenance. I share what we have learnt and what could make sailing more fun and safer...
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Great video Trevor, my only observation would be comparing the a 64’ boat with keels to a 52’ boat with daggerboards is a tad misleading. The waterline determines hull speed so it’s just physics that it is going to handle sea state and be quicker on passages. The complexity side I’m with you on, keep things as simple as possible, there’s enough stuff to go wrong out there already 👍🏻 keep up the good work!
The 52 s are quicker off the mark due to the weight difference. Lyra was full house and carrying way more fuel and water or she would have been quicker.. 👌
Yep, no doubt I’d expect Lyra to make crossings quicker and more comfortably with less stress on the crew & the boat.
Thanks Trevor for this informed well thought out talk. The performance and daggerboard hype has definitely gone beyond practical common sense for many situations. For us, having circumnavigated, safety and rest offshore are priority #1
Thanks yeah I think Catamaran design is losing sight of whats important out there and spending way to much of clients money on hyped up tech and luxuries that barely get used or end up making things too complicated... Good luck with the new build💪
Excellent. Hope you will also discuss the topic in boom furling vs. in mast furling vs. conventional rigging
I was privileged to see Lyra Noa up close in Florida. Everything appeared as you stated. Simple elegant, so well squared away. I'd give plenty to sail one of these newer Balance catamarans. Enjoying the technical content.
Best laid out Catamaran ever built by Nexus Catamarans... Easiest to sail and no unecessary extras.. Made for the open ocean...
I love watching your videos. Keep them coming. I am also hooked.
Great comparison: I have sailed on an HH55 for ~ 5 months on two occasions; it is carbon & fast, has dagger boards which I like but the hull noise in heavy weather is unnerving at times. Thanks for showing storage areas as folks often overlook this aspect...
Thanks, enjoyed this video….you nailed it with new cat owners…crazy here in the Bahama! Hope all is well, Andrew
Trevor, an excellent fisherman who has become a seasoned sailor. 👍🎣⛵️
Lol ya an accident that happened.. Need to get back to my roots🤣
Morning Trevor
Very good video again. The biggest thing is what ive seen I'm not a professional by a long shot to be honest, ive only sailed once. But ive watched this foiling cats and foiling , Mono hulls and the biggest thing i can see is that carbon foiling cats as in the Americas cup is speed as they top out at 40 + knots same as mono foiling hulls are only for racing as in the vondee globe. You couldn't live aboard as it's just not practical or possible. They sort of live on them but not in the same comfort that you have on lara the balance craft that your talking about. 👍🍻🏴
Trevor dankie vir deel van jou kennis ek wil nog saam seil mooi naweek.
Great video and informative. We are in the process of building an offshore sailing catamaran set up for Gamefishing and exploration. It’s great to see people that have spent many many miles and years on the ocean come back to the KISS theory. Keels are a no brainer for safety, storage and ease of use for a cruiser. Thanks for taking the time making this video. Cheers.
Good luck and good fishing.. A pleasure!!
Another solid episode Trev. Fully agree. Daggers are more hassle than they are worth. Better to whack a log with a keel than the dagger or rudder.
If going to Panama best have keels😁
Another great video Trevor I agree keep it simple
I'm always racing, whether anyone else knows it or not;😆but even with the polars in hand, I personally can't predict what the outcome of a particular scenario might be. It's very nice living on the edge...but not all the time. Give me those well designed keels on the Ballance every time. One thing I can predict; you will beat me and my Swan48 every time. Maybe. Plus, fishing from a mono hull really blows😆 Thanks for the great content Trevor.
😁Pleasure!!
Well said, as far as it’s about production big cats for cruising. But that’s from a hulldesign point of view not the whole story: there are also deep V hulls that have neither daggerboards nor keels and still point well. Moreover, daggerboards compare more to deep narrow keels when it comes to steering and coursestability. But catamaran-keels give a easier course stability like longkeelers in monohulls. Overall: like you said: cruisers should be wise and go for comfort and safety and strength of keels instead of daggerboards.
My Buddies 60' cat sounds like a bowling alley once we come down the waves at 14-18kts honking but it sounded like thunder in the aft bunks.
Aft bunks way better than mid or forward believe me at least you can get some sleep😁
@@oceanadventures365 I'll try it next crossing. Cheers!
Nice Trevor. I take it you smoked Parley properly too...😂
Definitely they weren't even in it by the end..
Interesting observation. You guys that are proponents for keels vs daggerboards never talk about true wind and vmg. I’ve yet to see a keel catamaran that can point as high as a daggerboard and maintain near wind speed and vmg. You’ve sailed on both the keeled and daggerboard 526 so I would appreciate your findings.
How many cruisers sail upwind.. Its crappy and uncomfortable. We all sail the trades..downwind. Rest my case.. And ps the difference is negligible.. Ask me.. All sales hype for a direction seldom taken.. Save the money and sail simple..stronger more buoyant and less hassle..
Dagger boards, you better have a BIG bottle brush to clean the crap out of the dagger-board slots... and dagger-boards are easy to break.... I think you know all this...
Lekker man lekker 🇿🇦
Has Balance considered a keel and hydraulic pivoting daggerboard from the bottom of the keel for better upwind performance? I believe the McConaghy 55 and 60 have this set up.
Not at this stage as fat as I know..
EXCELLENT! EXCELLENT!!! video. what's your opinion of retractable keel/centetrboard(pivots into a well in hull)? SailingBarefootr Doctors are building 52 foot aluminum Portofino catamaran, with retractablr centerboards. (they agree with you re: daggerboards, especially for small crew situations.........be Well!
Balance have made a few retractable in hull boats.. Nice ckear deck except lines.. Lotsa choices.. Like it simple!
Great video- makes sense! I saw at around 8-10 minutes when close hauling the boat had Furuno instruments. Rare to see them these days on sailboats even though commercial guys seem to think Furuno is most robust. What do you think of Furuno for a cruising sailboat? For example vs B&G? Thanks!
Furuno is nowhere near B&G. John being an ex commercial liked Furuno so had it installed. Worked well but we had some glitches with TZ touch MFDs. Super impressed with B&G.!!
Nice vid, do you jeep your boat in SA, or leave it closer to where you like to cruise from.
Boat been sold looking for new opportunities..
I don't know much about cat sailing but I have heard there may be some advantage to being able to lift the leeward daggerboard in a beam reach with seas on the beam. I realize it would take a hell of a lot of wind plus massive seas to flip a large cat over but do you think having a leeward keel make the boat a bit more likely to go over?
Nah these boats wont fly a hull easily..
Hi mate how many Sea nautical miles/KMs all up in your travels? 👍. Cheers
Been at sea most my life commercially and as a marlin charter captain plus yacht travels.. Over 50 000 miles on Catamarans and way more commercially..
@@oceanadventures365 you're really in your element👍 well done mate and look forward to more vids😆
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