People thinks that there are more PERFECT people in this world. Rather than judging a person, you should support them, because the more you criticize a person the more you make them loss everything they have. Better support a person's dream because your also not perfect you all have your own flaws in life. Don't judge others because the more you judge them, the more it will reflect on you. It will bounce back on you, mind you that, karma is real and it hurts. You did a good job Ms. Sakura, you improve so much even in your new song Perfect Night you can sing live now. We're so proud of you keep it up. Don't mind other people's words, they are just jealous of you. Just keep on improving let them taste their own medicine. Fighting!!...
@@melodyoungpark Wow Thank you so much. I am grateful to you for appreciating my words. I just find it hard to understand what every people's want and contentment? when in terms of this idol life, it is also the same us working, there are people who are more achievers that others but there are also people who are more dedicated and very responsible to their works even though they're lacking, in which they are more appreciated by others. Improvement is they key, but if others still doesn't appreciate you. It means they are just jealous of your will to improvement and dedication to achieve more. Humbleness is the perfect attitude to insult others.☺️
Criticism is different with insults! Do you know how many great singers including idols whose amazing performances with their vocals must endure hardship like Sakura? Just because they don't show their tears, it doesn't mean they are going through well. IU was rejected so fucking many times and started her career from zero with her small agency. Baekhyun still learns from vocal coach until today that made people mocking him. Rihanna was heavily criticized for lip sync in her own concert by her fans.
but i think her problem is not emotions, she is an actrees right?, i think she try to improving the wrong part, like maybe it should be the vocal technic that are wrong or something else, since in the video the prod said about pronounciation, but since this company have vocal teacher than the previous one so she more confident now even tho still lacking sometime, the important part is never stop moving forward
That's why Hybe should invest more on a good vocal teacher or acting teacher because they need it to boost their confident and point oit the necessary changes needed i swear she would get better.
"good" coaches are often mean....they dont encourage idols lol they treat them like they are the worst ever and make them feel so bad they want to sing for their lives...that is not what Sakura needs. The girl has such low confidence on her singing because of the mean comments. Like my girl turned from a Jpop idol (with not much requirement aside from having a relatable aura and having fun) to an amazing dancer like wtaf???? I had so much pride in her LOL Her singing can get better and I know she is doing her best everyday but she seeks too much validity from others (normal for idols)
They really need some good vocal coaches almost all their artist except for seventheen..but that group was acquired with pledis so cant even say they were hybe trainee artist
Honestly, there's only so much you can do to help someone develop their vocals. Sakura just doesn't have a singer's voice. Her speaking voice, alone, is already shaky and unstable. It's the same thing with her Korean skills. She's learned Korean for 5 years now, but Kazuha already speaks better than her in 1.5 years. Everything depends on the individual.
@@ClubPuguin She trained for an entire year before debut. She should have stable vocals, at the very least. She doesn't have to sing like Ailee or anything. But, there's no improvements in her vocal abilities at all. The only thing she improved on is her dance skills. One of the excuses that her solo stans say, is that the pitch they make her to sing in, isn't in her comfortable range. But, her lines in Unforgiven is low pitched and it's very a simple rap. So, I expected her to slay her part at the live encore stage, since it was easy. But, it only proved why she doesn't get many lines. Especially, for songs like the title track that requires a completely live stage when they win.
so true. i love how soyeon always find the best line and expression for her team mates to sing that all of them has their own iconic lines, especially in tomboy and nude
Except that all the gidle members CAN sing. Kkura is different. She really is not gifted with a singing voice. And I am a person who sings and does vocal coach to begin with so I know. The coach is not bringing her down. Pointing out what was wrong in her technique would help her to understand what is needed to get fixed. Unless you have coached someone, you wouldn't understand how important this is. Coach needs to point out the flaw in order to correct them. That is a vital part of voice coaching. Otherwise, she'd repeat the flaw again and again. Too many for me to say but this is all I gotta say to a stranger.
@@cocobean6281 she doesn’t need a miracle, she just need someone who can find her weaknesses and try to find her voice control, there are worse kpop singers out there, i bet you can’t even sing like her, come on.
The reason why people are more pressed on her was because she is an experienced idol compare to the rest of the members. I do understand her frustration because she's not a bad singer, she's vocally weak. Because her idol days in Japan is far different than Korea. She needs someone to properly teach her vocal wise. She can do it. She just hasn't been given the tools to get better
I think even if you have a vocal coach if your voice is not for singing it is not meant to be I have the same voice as sakura kinda shaking and trembling. That's why I can relate to her. That's why I commend Sakura for the hardwork and effort she's putting in.
@@Pj-mj7wi respectfully... there's no way we can't do something if we learn it with whole heartedly and properly. it's just a matter of time. it takes years to some people and some people can learn it quickly.
It's just crazy how there are so many trainees who are all rounders, even those who aren't trainees but don't meet the "standard" for an idol, yet there are so many idols like Sakura who lack vocals which is the MAIN thing a singer should have... It's unfair but it's just the industry. No hate to her, I guess its not necessarily her fault.
Confidence is really important in singing like the difference between singing with confidence and without it have a huge difference and I think in case of Sakura too people made her believe that she's a bad singer which drastically affected her. I think it's sad to think abt it. I think if she regains her confidence and believe in herself again and practice a little more she'll get better
I think she needs more vocal training. People are rude for no reason yes, her vocals are pretty average or below average but she doesn’t sound horrible! She just needs training
her voice is so good, and to be an idol you dont have to perfect, like why are they so mean to her when they be cheering for other idols who literally the same level of sakura voice. 🥺
I Don't understand those idols.. if they are not good in singing why they become kpop idol.. For being a musician good vocals r the most important thing.. Being pretty ang good in dancing Don't make u a musician. Production should get this.. They should debut just after improving their vocal.. Some people don’t like her vocal for a reason. The idols and production both should understand this.
@@iamworldwidehandsome She's a jpop idol first before she went to korea. Jpop idols are praised for their cuteness, hence they lack basic trainings and the like. She joined produce to challenge herself and improve, and now she's on her third and last group. In the first place, idols are neither musicians or dancers. They are an object of admiration (though saying they are an object is the wrong term). And please watch her journey or atleast do some research before you judge them.
@@iamworldwidehandsome she has typical Japanese singing voice (nasal, breathy) and it was pretty much ok in Japan but South Korea is a different market with a different style of singing added to that, she has to learn the language which has a different tone than her native language (thats why the producer warned her about the pronunciation). as for instance, to others who isn't an english native speaker/ english is their 2nd language, has the similar problem when singing English song. I followed her since her HKT journey. and just like any other human being, during adolescence/puberty, our voice changed. and i think this is where her voice changed. she used to be in musical theater before HKT so she has the basic but it seems like puberty has changed her voice. she has vocal coach though and she still training with her on every come back, in the latest album, her voice has gotten much better, less nasally but i think she's not confident enough as she still has the least lines. which is why in my opinion, she tried to compensate the short lines with her big improvement in her dancing skill and stage presence.
Even tho she can't sing or is tonedeaf she has that star power y'know? That's why she was a top member of HKT48, debuted as 2nd place in Produce48 and HYBE scouted her.. she also improved in dancing. Just because she can't sing doesn't mean being an idol is not for her. Sorry but the vocal standards are just so low for kpop idols now
Sakura is meant to be an idol (if this is what you were implying). She has the hard work, drive, and dedication regardless of how much singing talent she truly possesses. She's a fabulous entertainer and a wonderful asset to le sserafim and therefore deserves to continue living her dream as an idol.
@@therealgrimreaper68 There are plenty of idols that can't sing well, but we don't have to put people down if this is what they dreamed of doing and are willing to dedicate their lives for. And saying she doesn't have talent is a stretch just because her singing is lacking as she's a great dancer and she's massively famous in Japan and therefore bringing in her huge fanbase. At the end of the day, she brings in a lot of revenue to hybe and that's enough to be an idol. The producers can help her fit into a song and she can still sound great on an album. Let's just appreciate the work that these idols do. It's not easy being criticized by thousands of people a day.
I have mad respect for Sakura. I don’t follow the group that much but she seems mature and wise but also SO sincere. I feel like she’s the one to stick up to the company for a group member and to be honest.
You're so right! She actually did stick up for the group in their debut documentary. The staffs at the company were asking them all to be ready for weight management but Sakura disagreed saying they'll do that on their own and told them to focus on other stuff. She said since it's their body, if one member has to go on a diet, they'll do that themselves, so there's no reason to make whole group be on a diet all the time since they're doing their hardest right now and this is going to hinder that. I think the team agreed with her on this since all the members refused to follow it. I think she may have said this with regards that there are minors in the group who have so much growing up to do and these diets would affect their growth. She also told the maknae Eunchae that she admires her a lot for sacrificing so much at such a young age and that as the oldest, she'll take care of all the difficult things and to live her teenage years as she wants. Eunchae was so touched by this that she said that's her most favourite moment in her life.
Right? She literally didn't have good voice. It's just not a singer voice. She should quit and become a dancer instead of singer (idol is a singer too)
Nuh-uh sorry but most billionaires, if not all, get to reach where they're at significantly due to their privilege AND exploiting other people. Please don't bring them into this equation. Even though some are indeed comes from privileged position, artists and entertainer require consistently polished talent regardless of where they are in their career. Not to mention being an artist is far more vulnerable and transparent due to constant publicity, especially when most of the time their tools of trade are often underestimated compared to other career path that requires "higher skill sets"
@@giogremoryShe have the voice. But the problem is her vocal techniques is sadly terrible. That is why many people saying that the company should give them a proper vocal lessons.
She will not going to improve if people making excuses of her lack of singing skills. i hope she accepts critisms in a positive way. It is very helpful for one’s improvement.
Honestly, this is what I often think when I see idols not having enough lines. Fans says they're not getting enough lines but then again while that can be true, I can't deny the possibility that sometimes some idols chooses less line for certain reason.
I mean, it is not harsh if it is the truth. When you become an idol people expects you to know how to sing ofc, u are an idol for a reason. You don't just become an idol bcoz u know how to dance, an idol is both. A singer and a dancer. When people say she is a bad singer, she probably is.
It needs a special type of courage to admit one's own shortcomings and talking about it publicly. Since the haters will take it as proof for their hatred but i love her honesty. In a few years, she will definitely blossom into a confident idol.
How does she became an idol for so long if she can’t sing in the first place? Being an idol the least you can do is deliver your line in your best ability.. But how does she come this far.. One of the best gg in 5th generation. I dont have any idea what should be the criteria in becoming an idol. I know she work hard for it but talent is a gift.. She had been in the industry for so long how come her voice doesnt improved? Ofcourse judgement is all over the place because people who listen to you are your best and worst critics.
Self awareness is also important. Not everyone is talented in what they want to be talented in... I like Sakura personality. Having less lines is no bad thing if you want to be an idol. If you want more, maybe you need to spend your own time and money on vocal training and practice, if your company isn't supporting you. Many idols do this and have improved. Life isn't fair and yet normalising lack of ability in such a competitive field is so unfair for those outrageously talented but less popular trainees/idols.
She was given years to improve. There are people who barely even get the chance she was given & very very talented, It’s time for her to step up. It’s getting boring hearing this Drama. Your fans wants result not tears. It’s a tough competition out there
Go to Vocal lesson so that people will no longer "underestimate" you again Sakura!! and don't make them judge you with Rude words like "You Can't sing so don't force yourself to being debut in Lesserafim" and i see a lot of ex-member (Lesserafim) Stans saying that you deserved to leave the group more than the person who just left because you were CLAIMED "Talentless". Fighting Sakura ❤️❤️❤️ we love you show your talent to PUBLIC that you deserve to debut with Lesserafim
They should be thankful for sakura bruh what they even saying😭😭 sakura already have popularity, the most. She independent without lesserafim but choose to debut again! Wtf with other member, they didnt have to gain those popularity if she is not in there!
Oh please these people already hate GARAM and her fans you're adding fuel to that. Sakura deserves her spot in LE SSERAFIM. (Garam fans usually claim to add her back or they express how the group was good with 6 members OT6). I don't know where you see such kinda words. But Sakura must stay in the group her expressions, her dance, her tone makes the group feels complete with other members.
She's been an idol for 10 years and a kpop idol for 6 years, she's had so much time to improve. The rest of her group can perform better even though they started training much later. What excuse does she have for not being able to sing at this point? This is proof that beauty is valued over talent.
Maybe she just can't improve as much as ppl think. Not everyone is born a singer or able to improve to where they sound like a true singer. That part I feel bad for her. Because you can tell it affects her and that she's genuinely confused why she can't make herself sound a certain way. Sakura is hard working and anyone who has followed her journey knows this. So all in all, she just won't ever sound like a professional singer. Some ppl just can't sound well even with practice
@@nayeontofua good vocal coach might help, but Hybe is tooooooooo hesitant. Hybe focus too much on their performance, yet they forget that they are singers. Singer, should be able to sing.
If valid criticism hurts her feelings, she needs to work on both her skill and her mindset. Her feelings can't show because she lacks the technique to show them.
I think you have a point and she should definitely work on her mindset. With her feeling hurt, though, she’s valid for feeling that way. You have to take in the context. She’s been an idol since she was 13 so hearing from people that she’s not good at singing despite her previous j-pop idol status can be shocking. Besides that, I think this is more of a systemic issue with Hybe. They didn’t do much to help her transition vocally from j-pop to k-pop. Hybe seems to enjoy taking on idols who they don’t have to train vocally or who they have to pay minimum attention to vocally. This isn’t the first time an idol under Hybe has been left out to dry. Besides all this, knetizens are also extremely critical and can be hateful at times, like what we saw with Shuhua from (g)-idle when she struggled with pronunciation.
As an Idol she needs to do better cuz that's her job we can't pity her all the time. In case to debut as an Idol they need to be perfect & talented not just pretty
@@kikiwannabananawatermelonmangoWhy she's shock? Bcs everyone always praise her visual and dance. When she become and idol ofcourse it's different. She have to sing, not only dance (she can't even rapping) They said she already debut 3 times? debut 3 times as a dancer right? Bcs what we can hear right now her voice is not that kind of voice we want to hear from a person who debuted 3 times. Wtf she do since she was 13 until now? Knitting?
she runs from problems. all you have to do is practice vocals more often. face it. You've been in this industry for 10 years, that's not a short time, even mountains can change in 10 years.
@kkurakisseverybodythen why was the training for?? as an idol you either rap or sing!! if she can’t do both then why did she even choose this profession?
@@jayashreesharma9224her actually getting vocal lessons her years in Japan they never gave her vocal lessons she had to learn herself idols in Japan focus more on fan service than actual vocals
@@jayashreesharma9224 but it’s hard from transitioning from one thing to another especially since you’ve been doing it for years and she just got vocal training people don’t progress as fast as other remembers that
I understand everything. But are we normalising calling them idols who don't know singing but just dance just out of sympathy. This gen's idols are full of beauty and dancers only.
tbf it's not the entire 4th gen that can't sing. Almost all groups who debuted in 2018-19 are still slaying live singing with just as difficult choreo. It's only the late 4th and 5th gen who are slowly becoming more focused on visual than vocal.
Just hang in there, Sakura!!! Continue moving forward and use their negative comments to strengthen yourself! My baby, SHINee’s Taemin, was considered tone deaf when he first started and now he covers some of Jonghyun’s parts and found his own voice :) Ganbatte~
She's almost 10years in this industry, and many of her fan says she's not improving her vocal, yet some fans want her to have more lines. And with Taemin, it's different case. Taemin never been bad in singing. He's tone deaf in SM's vocal standard (even Shindong considered tone deaf when SJ debut), and back then, Taemin voice is "like a kids voice" cuz he debut in such young age. He improve his vocal even before Jjong left
@@carr4905 She's been in the entertainment industry for 12 years, 7 of which were in Jpop industry, 5 in the Korean. Jpop idols aren't trained like korean idols. They're debuted with little training, Sakura was 12 years old when she debuted. The idols in Jpop industry are expected to learn along the way therefore they cannot compete with Korean trainees. They're almost on the same level as a newbie trainee in some company in Korea. She's been working in Korean industry for 5 years. Due to her time in Jpop industry for the majority of her career and her young age, her vocals have been trained in a specific jpop idol way. But the Korean trainees do a lot more training than them so it does make sense on why she would be lacking. She has used this method of singing for 7 years so it's very hard to get rid of it. She has improved in LSF and she's hardworking so she'll continue to do so.
Taemin improved very quickly and very vastly - and he’s one of the best dancers in kpop ever and their main dancer so it wasn’t like he was just there. He was already immensely talented in one area and then added vocals on top of that.
@@jayennegiselle1836 japanese idol do get vocal training, i heard this from idol itself (tho its a virtual youtuber idol, who had real peopel behind the scene, they admit they got a lot of vocal trainer, and the idol who said it is noel shirogane, she also bad heck she's actually tone deaf in my opinion, but she improve a lot during her 3 year training) specially in akb48, its a big name, they definitely get vocal training
For people here cant even take some criticism on their biases, what i want her to do is, to improve her vocals. On her unforgiven era encore , her vocals are so bad sakura,eunchae and kazuha needs some vocal training, if you wanna hate me, hate me all you like idc
I agree, they should get training but i kinda saw some comments going too far.. not defending them but i wish the others wouldnt take it far and just criticize them, and ALSO they should move to another company bc wtf are they doing with le sserafim?!?
i feel bad for her and i know how much it can hurt her feelings, but she has been in the industry long enough. i believe all she needs is a skilled vocal trainer and some motivation to get through it. Even though she had a lot of time to improve which she couldn't really do, it is never to late. don't worry kkura us fearnots are always waiting for you to improve and will support you no matter what!❤️😊
But singing is her job, though. She probably needs vocal training if people say her voice isn't good. I find it dumb that fans are always trying to coddle these women and treat them like their own children. I'm not a hater, I'm allowed to have an opinion.
This was even before debuting im Le Ssearafim, and she's aware that people criticize her vocals, It's been 3yrs but instead of seeing her improvement, we got disappointed again and again.
because lsf concept doesn’t suit her natural vocal register. listen to her when she was in akb48 and tell me she doesn’t have a beautiful voice. hybe is corrupt, stop blaming the artist.
Instead of feeling discouraged and scared, you should attend vocal lessons and vocal training to improve your singing. You cannot control the people. They would always say negative things every chance they get. So to shut them up and let more people recognize your craft, you should show that you do really have it and can do it.
As Kkura's fan, I believe that comments like this is something that she needs. I agree that she's bad at singing, but like she improved dancing, she has room to improve singing. She should attend more vocal lessons and work on her singing and show people that she can sing. Kkura will surely be an all-rounder if she works on her singing.
I agree, i hate to see the hate train, i wish they could just go to a company that wont treat them like shit, at this point their agency is just sabotaging them because they didnt even improve.. (This is the first positive comment i saw and i was happy, even if i cant defend them i still worry about their younger member.. shes still in school right?? Its hard to see her getting laughed at because of the hate i dont wanna see it lead to death like before.)
Sakura you can improve ,you need to believe in your ability to sing , it'll take alot of practice . But you can do it . Stop cutting yourself short . Youre capable ,I understand its tough but the fact that you are so strong in this industry all this years means you can be better than you were . You just need better vocal trainers to see where youre going wrong and fix it from there . Maybe even maximize your current vocal tone to match a bridge etc. Rather than making you sing in a tone thats not for you . We love and support you sakura !! Keep going strong , dont give up!!
I truly respect Kpop idols, they go through a Lot, work so hard, & have a lot of pressure, but still try to give their best for the fans. I hope they stay more happy and healthy
@@billliealimremember when a bunch of kpop stans threw a hissy fit after EXO’s Xiumin factually said that idols should foremost be singers 😭 actually insane behavior
Before when i was new into kpop i watched produce 48 while skippibg most of it tge whole time and always thought that sakura was pretentious nd all and thought she didnt deserve the hype she was getting but later after watching the whole produce series again i can reslky see how much of a hard working person she iss even in the produce season i was so shocked by her words i thought she was a fragile girl but she understood her situation of not being as talented as msny girls there but instead of being sad and giving up she really worked hard even now i can see how much of a strong woman she is and is always ready to improve herself and change the mind of others who underestimate her she is really one of the strongest girl i have ever seen abd seeing her grow is really worth watching
My question is why did she want to become an idol in the first place or even debut if she can’t sing? Like there are just two main criteria for being an idol: singing and dancing. So if u can’t sing then…
Right on the money my thoughts too, its like any other professional like being a doctor , u cant qualify if your not smart enough , and kpop fans are as usual delusional
@@ObeyCatsOrelselol even if she was have an experienced 10 years being an idol doesnt make any excuse if can't sing and dont make any vocal practice like girl if u want improve yourself then u need a discipline to more learning and take some vocal lesson to improve lol
her lines maybe not alot but her efforts are alot and bigger than that, at least she's not giving up and always giving her best in everything ! ily kkura !
Well she improved so much today and her voice is there now! Her hard work and effort paid off. I'M PROUD OF YOU KKURA❤ . Please continue to surprise your fans about your improvement and your unmovable determination to do better because we know you're doing your best! We will protect you!😭
She needs to forget her past akb48 singing techniques and tried to learning fron zero all over again. Its hard but i think this is the only way for her to learn the good singing techniques. Maybe tried from vocal couch outside the agency...
I understand people can be extreme but she's getting paid millions to do what she's supposed to do... Sing. I mean, if after years of training she still doesn't know how to do the most basic requirement of her job maybe she should step down from her position and let actual talented people get the chance. If you are aware you can't sing and still go forward with your "singing" career and then get mad at the public for pointing that you can't sing ... That's your fault. You know you can't. If you know and still decide to become a celebrity at least get a tough skin and stop complaining. I'm sorry if it's tough but either you have the talent or you don't.
kkurakisseverybody please, stop being delusional. She has been in the industry for a whole decade and debuted in three different groups, lmfao. She didn't learn anything at all from all these years and hasn't been trying at all, it seems. If she did try and hired a vocal coach she would at least sound decent at this point. But she doesn't, she sounds awful for someone called a "singer" and still wants to be the victim and coddled by her fans when people tell her she can't sing
Don't pity her rather than saying ' I don't want many lines in the song ' after people told her that her singing is bad she should have said that ' i will practice more and more and make sure i will get the most lines just because of my singing ability ' but you guys are like stop criticising her . Her vocals are bad she should realise this and work on it .
Bc its true. Change starts by self awareness. If she keeps forcing it without actually acknowledging it, she will never know what she is doing wrong. Not all born stars are naturally talented. Sometimes its the hard work. Too bad she needs to do the hard work.
true . if they all watching produce 48 they'll know how hard and desperate she wants to improve. she knows she lacking. so she worked hard more part she's good
She is trying her best you can’t ask anyone to be better than her best when they are at their best they giving it they are giving everything at their best nobody can be better than their best they can only try their best
If this is her best then she should just dance and her fan and agency should stop trying to convince everyone She is a singer. She is a great dancer and a nice girl
exactly. some people are so pessimistic, saying she can’t improve even with years of practice, but that is not true at all. she improved tremendously in dance from i*zone and she was considered the group’s weakest dancer. but now she is around the same level as the rest of the fimmies, apart of one of fourth gen’s best girl groups in dance
@@alois0182 Literally, no one criticizes her dance improvement. There's only 2 things people criticize about her꞉ vocals and Korean pronunciation. She's been singing for over 10 years now. She took vocal lessons for an entire year before LSF debut and she still struggles even with simple rap lines. And, her stans wonder why she only gets few lines and call it "mistreatment." No one is expecting her to sing like Ailee. But, there's zero improvement in her vocal abilities. Only solo stans will support delusional praise that she's a "great singer" and has good "vocal color," when she clearly doesn't. That's not "hAtE" either. That's the truth.
This is why I stop pushing for my faves to have more lines even they deserve it cuz this may be the story why they have the least lines. Just support them, don't ask anything for them because maybe it's their choice to not have what we desired them to have.
Even for main vocalist, sometimes they have too much lines, so they're going to have some songs where they don't have to sing too much in order to rest their vocal cord, especially during concert. Ppl don't take this into account.
@@yoon9521 no fr, when i saw 2x in concert, all the songs were basically heavily focused on JH and her power-belting. by the end of each concert she was REALLY fatigued. a harsh lesson about favoritism in line distribution
I mean she got a platform among all the other hardworking trainees and idols and also she's been an idol for almost a decade now. Its literally the barest minimum to expect her sing decently ✋💀😭
Well it's not like they lied tho since she really can't sing well,I wish they train her vocal first insted of rushing to debut her when she can't even sing properly but I like her voice so I really hope she can sing well.I am honestly looking forward to her development.😊
idk. dua lipa was used to get dragged, mocked and memed by the whole internet for having stiff dance movements and boring stage presence. yet she proved that she can do so in her next album. her performance has massively gotten better. its a matter of improvement and believing in oneself. crying for synpathy from fans and focusing on hate comments isnt gonna make it all better as a singer. she should try to start over from scratch and find better vocal coaches from outside company.
@kkurakisseverybody I mean I would want to give her another try, she is a hard worker after all. but it's the fact that she's been in the korean industry for YEARS, but her vocal skills over those years do not prove worthy enough (I'm sorry). bang shi hyuk could claim that yes, she (and chaewon) has the most experience out of all members in lsfm, but heck even hybe rookies like newjeans are doing much better in comparison to her. kpop industry and coaches cannot coddle idols. criticisms are meant to be taken as improvement in becoming a better idol. she gotta work in rewiring her mindset, think of wanting to practice more to become a better singer on stage, instead of thinking of lessening the lines in songs to run away from further backlash.
The more you should work hard, train harder...talent may come naturally to others, but you can also get it through hardwork and practice and dedication if its really your passion
I don't hate kkura and i understand she has always been weak vocally since the beginning, However, she is in the industry for 5 years already . I am pretty sure hybe provided her vocal training pre and post le sserafim but i am sorry , i don't see the result.(if she truly is improving, we should have seen at least a bit improvements during unforgiven encore, but nothing... tbh she sounded a bit better in pd48 than now. ) I think zuha is also not vocally strong prior to le sserafim, but she is improving a lot. C'mon kkura let's prove me wrong next time cause i know, if you keep on training your vocal , u can do it.❤
I thought encore at music shows were supposed to be fun and celebratory . It seems to have become a breeding ground for hatred and cyber bullying. It’s seems unfair to the idols. Honestly perhaps it time the music shows get rid of the encore portion of the show if this is the result. This hatred is not specific to sakura and happens to many other idols. Also I would like to point out the best singer in the world would have trouble performing if he or she was filled with anxiety from constantly being insulted. It would be impossible for improvement to show under those circumstances. Just something to think about. Additionally I don’t think you were trying to be mean which I appreciate, unfortunately that can’t be said for other people’s comments. P.S I like Sakura’s voice now and I will like it in the future.
I feel bad for the people who trained for years, have better vocals more talented n deserving than her but didn't got to debut :( Eg-Daniel from i-land(I miss him😩)
This is actually a wise thing to do, though shes doing as a defense mechanism against hate. She will definitely improve with vocal teaining overtime and shine brighter
I mean she was Japanese idol since young , ioi and now lessrafim , not all idols know how to sing , to have nice voice you need to born with it , she is good performer .
No that false, you can learn how to sing its a muscle not everyone can be Beyoncé but you can develop your voice and be Your best. This is her best and thats okay
“People say I’m a bad singer” well.. you are. And guess what, crying won’t get a person anywhere, instead try to accept the truth and learn , practice , be aware of your mistakes. People used to criticise my art when I started drawing and I heard TON of them , but I was aware that my art should improve to satisfy myself and willing to improve and finding my own style , now all of them know how much I’m good , so , PRACTICE. PLZ.
@@My_world_of_art It’s a normal thing to get babe, you did good or not people will criticise but doesn’t mean that their criticising is for a bad thing , sometimes it’s a valid one we should take in consideration to make ourselves better. Criticism won’t hurt , yes hating her won’t make her better , but that doesn’t mean she should ignore the critique she gets.
@@حمودي11ظ yeah, but this criticism isn't gonna make her do better, it hurts her.. It's not "constructive criticism", if it was, they would've helped her by pointing out what's wrong and how to fix it, not just showing her the issue, that just lowers her confidence and self esteem
her normal register is a high pitched voice but they often make her sing in a lower register so it's not her fault they just don't let her use her real voice tho her lower register would get better with vocal training hybe gives very poor vocal training take illit and le sserifim for example trust me she has a beautiful voice and also has improved so much in her lower register so please give her time instead of harshly judging her cause there's much we don't know behind the scenes
aww sakura, she doesn't deserve to be scared of judgement everytime she sings :( she's got a lovely and unique voice if some of y'all hate sakura and her singing, you don't know all that she went through to reach her dream even prior to iz*one
I sympathize with her because singing well is not easy. But having less lines doesn't solve the problem. She will continue to face criticism until she improves
Try releasing your voice through your diagphram by breathing in before the line then think it put in the power of your emotions then as you sing breathe out to release the emotional energy...it reaches the audience and the energy bounces back and forth from the stage back to your audience...the audience is the magnifier and increase the energy quality
I want to support sakura bit listen if she is not good at singing even after being in the industry for so many years maybe she should not be a singer . She should put her hardwork into something else . *she is a talented person but not in singing* . No matter what people will criticise if a singer can't sing .
I’m crying rn SAKURA WILL ALWAYS BE A SUCH GOOD SINGER AND YOU GUYS CANT STOP HER AT ALL .THANKS TO HER IM TOLD MY SELF YOU CAN DO WHAT EVER YOU WANT AND PEOPLE CANT STOP YOU
There is something you can't change, vocal cord. The one you can change is how you sing with what you have. At least that was JYP said to his trainees in vocal training.
There is a valid reason why she is being criticize, she cant sing live. There are a lot of groups with talented members being overshadowed by groups who have a strong company behind them. But groups who came from the BIG 3, has proven that their idols are talented and worth the hype. How about HYBE’s GG- Le Sserafim and Illit- 2 groups who has good sound engineer behind their vocals and became famous cause they came from HYBE. They need a proper voice trainer
kkura honey, if you dont want to be called that way, then you should practice your vocal, ask soumu to give you a vocal training, its the least someone who called themselves singer can do ❤
thought you were talking about Moon Sua for a sec, but nope. bad singing is bad singing, which is mainly a result of bad technique. Vocal tone isn't even involved.
People thinks that there are more PERFECT people in this world. Rather than judging a person, you should support them, because the more you criticize a person the more you make them loss everything they have. Better support a person's dream because your also not perfect you all have your own flaws in life. Don't judge others because the more you judge them, the more it will reflect on you. It will bounce back on you, mind you that, karma is real and it hurts.
You did a good job Ms. Sakura, you improve so much even in your new song Perfect Night you can sing live now. We're so proud of you keep it up. Don't mind other people's words, they are just jealous of you. Just keep on improving let them taste their own medicine. Fighting!!...
YESS BECAUSE OF THIS WONDERFUL STATEMENT I PINNED UR COMMENT NOW
@@melodyoungpark Wow Thank you so much. I am grateful to you for appreciating my words. I just find it hard to understand what every people's want and contentment? when in terms of this idol life, it is also the same us working, there are people who are more achievers that others but there are also people who are more dedicated and very responsible to their works even though they're lacking, in which they are more appreciated by others.
Improvement is they key, but if others still doesn't appreciate you. It means they are just jealous of your will to improvement and dedication to achieve more. Humbleness is the perfect attitude to insult others.☺️
@@LunaSy-sw2mkyess!!
Criticism is different with insults! Do you know how many great singers including idols whose amazing performances with their vocals must endure hardship like Sakura? Just because they don't show their tears, it doesn't mean they are going through well. IU was rejected so fucking many times and started her career from zero with her small agency. Baekhyun still learns from vocal coach until today that made people mocking him. Rihanna was heavily criticized for lip sync in her own concert by her fans.
No
"It feels like no matter how much emotion I put in, it doesn't show through my voice."
I relate, Sakura.
😔🤚
Yeah I have this problem too
Me too
but i think her problem is not emotions, she is an actrees right?, i think she try to improving the wrong part, like maybe it should be the vocal technic that are wrong or something else, since in the video the prod said about pronounciation, but since this company have vocal teacher than the previous one so she more confident now even tho still lacking sometime, the important part is never stop moving forward
Me too, people misunderstand me sometimes
That's why Hybe should invest more on a good vocal teacher or acting teacher because they need it to boost their confident and point oit the necessary changes needed i swear she would get better.
"good" coaches are often mean....they dont encourage idols lol they treat them like they are the worst ever and make them feel so bad they want to sing for their lives...that is not what Sakura needs. The girl has such low confidence on her singing because of the mean comments. Like my girl turned from a Jpop idol (with not much requirement aside from having a relatable aura and having fun) to an amazing dancer like wtaf???? I had so much pride in her LOL
Her singing can get better and I know she is doing her best everyday but she seeks too much validity from others (normal for idols)
They really need some good vocal coaches almost all their artist except for seventheen..but that group was acquired with pledis so cant even say they were hybe trainee artist
Honestly, there's only so much you can do to help someone develop their vocals. Sakura just doesn't have a singer's voice. Her speaking voice, alone, is already shaky and unstable.
It's the same thing with her Korean skills. She's learned Korean for 5 years now, but Kazuha already speaks better than her in 1.5 years. Everything depends on the individual.
@@user-gp1bt4vm3r well she didn't have vocal training until lesserafim
@@ClubPuguin She trained for an entire year before debut. She should have stable vocals, at the very least. She doesn't have to sing like Ailee or anything. But, there's no improvements in her vocal abilities at all. The only thing she improved on is her dance skills.
One of the excuses that her solo stans say, is that the pitch they make her to sing in, isn't in her comfortable range. But, her lines in Unforgiven is low pitched and it's very a simple rap.
So, I expected her to slay her part at the live encore stage, since it was easy. But, it only proved why she doesn't get many lines. Especially, for songs like the title track that requires a completely live stage when they win.
Suddenly felt blessed having Soyeon as vocal director for Gidle. Encourage them instead of bringing them down.
Soyeon LOVES her groupmates.
Yessss
so true. i love how soyeon always find the best line and expression for her team mates to sing that all of them has their own iconic lines, especially in tomboy and nude
Except that all the gidle members CAN sing. Kkura is different. She really is not gifted with a singing voice. And I am a person who sings and does vocal coach to begin with so I know. The coach is not bringing her down. Pointing out what was wrong in her technique would help her to understand what is needed to get fixed. Unless you have coached someone, you wouldn't understand how important this is. Coach needs to point out the flaw in order to correct them. That is a vital part of voice coaching. Otherwise, she'd repeat the flaw again and again. Too many for me to say but this is all I gotta say to a stranger.
@@BehindTheSc3nes sorry but they have Shuhua 🥹
Honestly another proof that KPop industry prefer beauty over skills/talents
it's more like popularity than beauty.
that is a way to make money in the end.
Yes. Sakura has always been this way.
so it's 48G
That's why talent is a matter!
More like hybe prefers beauty over skills
what she needs is sm's vocal trainer
....or any musician that has a degree in vocals
She needs a miracle
@@cocobean6281 she doesn’t need a miracle, she just need someone who can find her weaknesses and try to find her voice control, there are worse kpop singers out there, i bet you can’t even sing like her, come on.
@@sayurii17 actually I can sing better and I know what Im saying
@@cocobean6281Of course you do.
The reason why people are more pressed on her was because she is an experienced idol compare to the rest of the members. I do understand her frustration because she's not a bad singer, she's vocally weak. Because her idol days in Japan is far different than Korea. She needs someone to properly teach her vocal wise. She can do it. She just hasn't been given the tools to get better
Sakura just keep on going don't let them stop you!! And if you really want a good voice you can go to vocal lessons...
she has a vocal coach
I think even if you have a vocal coach if your voice is not for singing it is not meant to be I have the same voice as sakura kinda shaking and trembling. That's why I can relate to her. That's why I commend Sakura for the hardwork and effort she's putting in.
@@Pj-mj7wi respectfully... there's no way we can't do something if we learn it with whole heartedly and properly. it's just a matter of time. it takes years to some people and some people can learn it quickly.
It's just crazy how there are so many trainees who are all rounders, even those who aren't trainees but don't meet the "standard" for an idol, yet there are so many idols like Sakura who lack vocals which is the MAIN thing a singer should have... It's unfair but it's just the industry. No hate to her, I guess its not necessarily her fault.
if you heard her singing in akb48 you would know she is a good singer but the techniques she uses just doesnt suit kpop
Confidence is really important in singing like the difference between singing with confidence and without it have a huge difference and I think in case of Sakura too people made her believe that she's a bad singer which drastically affected her. I think it's sad to think abt it. I think if she regains her confidence and believe in herself again and practice a little more she'll get better
Sakura is a good singer. If people check her singing skill way back akb48 and hkt48 they will be amazed on sakura
I think she needs more vocal training. People are rude for no reason yes, her vocals are pretty average or below average but she doesn’t sound horrible! She just needs training
she has a vocal coach
her voice is so good, and to be an idol you dont have to perfect, like why are they so mean to her when they be cheering for other idols who literally the same level of sakura voice. 🥺
I Don't understand those idols.. if they are not good in singing why they become kpop idol.. For being a musician good vocals r the most important thing.. Being pretty ang good in dancing Don't make u a musician. Production should get this.. They should debut just after improving their vocal.. Some people don’t like her vocal for a reason. The idols and production both should understand this.
@@iamworldwidehandsome She's a jpop idol first before she went to korea. Jpop idols are praised for their cuteness, hence they lack basic trainings and the like. She joined produce to challenge herself and improve, and now she's on her third and last group.
In the first place, idols are neither musicians or dancers. They are an object of admiration (though saying they are an object is the wrong term).
And please watch her journey or atleast do some research before you judge them.
@@iamworldwidehandsome she has typical Japanese singing voice (nasal, breathy) and it was pretty much ok in Japan but South Korea is a different market with a different style of singing added to that, she has to learn the language which has a different tone than her native language (thats why the producer warned her about the pronunciation). as for instance, to others who isn't an english native speaker/ english is their 2nd language, has the similar problem when singing English song. I followed her since her HKT journey. and just like any other human being, during adolescence/puberty, our voice changed. and i think this is where her voice changed. she used to be in musical theater before HKT so she has the basic but it seems like puberty has changed her voice. she has vocal coach though and she still training with her on every come back, in the latest album, her voice has gotten much better, less nasally but i think she's not confident enough as she still has the least lines. which is why in my opinion, she tried to compensate the short lines with her big improvement in her dancing skill and stage presence.
This is the perfect exmaple of being an idol is not meant for everyone
Even tho she can't sing or is tonedeaf she has that star power y'know? That's why she was a top member of HKT48, debuted as 2nd place in Produce48 and HYBE scouted her.. she also improved in dancing. Just because she can't sing doesn't mean being an idol is not for her. Sorry but the vocal standards are just so low for kpop idols now
Sakura is meant to be an idol (if this is what you were implying). She has the hard work, drive, and dedication regardless of how much singing talent she truly possesses. She's a fabulous entertainer and a wonderful asset to le sserafim and therefore deserves to continue living her dream as an idol.
She seems like a sweet person but Sakura doesn’t stand out, or add anything to the group. I see her discomfort and self-doubt.
@@AizenEnvy she might have the hard work, drive and dedication but doesn't have the talent or skill. She only became an idol because of looks
@@therealgrimreaper68 There are plenty of idols that can't sing well, but we don't have to put people down if this is what they dreamed of doing and are willing to dedicate their lives for. And saying she doesn't have talent is a stretch just because her singing is lacking as she's a great dancer and she's massively famous in Japan and therefore bringing in her huge fanbase. At the end of the day, she brings in a lot of revenue to hybe and that's enough to be an idol. The producers can help her fit into a song and she can still sound great on an album. Let's just appreciate the work that these idols do. It's not easy being criticized by thousands of people a day.
I have mad respect for Sakura. I don’t follow the group that much but she seems mature and wise but also SO sincere. I feel like she’s the one to stick up to the company for a group member and to be honest.
You're so right! She actually did stick up for the group in their debut documentary. The staffs at the company were asking them all to be ready for weight management but Sakura disagreed saying they'll do that on their own and told them to focus on other stuff. She said since it's their body, if one member has to go on a diet, they'll do that themselves, so there's no reason to make whole group be on a diet all the time since they're doing their hardest right now and this is going to hinder that. I think the team agreed with her on this since all the members refused to follow it. I think she may have said this with regards that there are minors in the group who have so much growing up to do and these diets would affect their growth. She also told the maknae Eunchae that she admires her a lot for sacrificing so much at such a young age and that as the oldest, she'll take care of all the difficult things and to live her teenage years as she wants. Eunchae was so touched by this that she said that's her most favourite moment in her life.
@@jayennegiselle1836 this is so beautiful, kkura is an amazing person🥹
Hard work alone doesn’t lead to results. Sadly, if it does, all of us will be billionaires or superstars
Right? She literally didn't have good voice. It's just not a singer voice. She should quit and become a dancer instead of singer (idol is a singer too)
Or a model. Just not singer @@giogremory
Nuh-uh sorry but most billionaires, if not all, get to reach where they're at significantly due to their privilege AND exploiting other people. Please don't bring them into this equation.
Even though some are indeed comes from privileged position, artists and entertainer require consistently polished talent regardless of where they are in their career. Not to mention being an artist is far more vulnerable and transparent due to constant publicity, especially when most of the time their tools of trade are often underestimated compared to other career path that requires "higher skill sets"
@@giogremoryShe have the voice. But the problem is her vocal techniques is sadly terrible. That is why many people saying that the company should give them a proper vocal lessons.
Sakura...you got this Love!
She will not going to improve if people making excuses of her lack of singing skills. i hope she accepts critisms in a positive way. It is very helpful for one’s improvement.
what the vocal trainer said was like constructive criticsm but she takes it too emotionally 🥹, kkura those critics are what makes u improve
Honestly, this is what I often think when I see idols not having enough lines. Fans says they're not getting enough lines but then again while that can be true, I can't deny the possibility that sometimes some idols chooses less line for certain reason.
I mean, it is not harsh if it is the truth. When you become an idol people expects you to know how to sing ofc, u are an idol for a reason. You don't just become an idol bcoz u know how to dance, an idol is both. A singer and a dancer. When people say she is a bad singer, she probably is.
It needs a special type of courage to admit one's own shortcomings and talking about it publicly. Since the haters will take it as proof for their hatred but i love her honesty. In a few years, she will definitely blossom into a confident idol.
She’s what, 13 years deep in the industry? And she needs a few more years wow
How does she became an idol for so long if she can’t sing in the first place? Being an idol the least you can do is deliver your line in your best ability.. But how does she come this far.. One of the best gg in 5th generation. I dont have any idea what should be the criteria in becoming an idol. I know she work hard for it but talent is a gift.. She had been in the industry for so long how come her voice doesnt improved? Ofcourse judgement is all over the place because people who listen to you are your best and worst critics.
Self awareness is also important. Not everyone is talented in what they want to be talented in... I like Sakura personality. Having less lines is no bad thing if you want to be an idol. If you want more, maybe you need to spend your own time and money on vocal training and practice, if your company isn't supporting you. Many idols do this and have improved.
Life isn't fair and yet normalising lack of ability in such a competitive field is so unfair for those outrageously talented but less popular trainees/idols.
She was given years to improve. There are people who barely even get the chance she was given & very very talented, It’s time for her to step up. It’s getting boring hearing this Drama. Your fans wants result not tears. It’s a tough competition out there
Go to Vocal lesson so that people will no longer "underestimate" you again Sakura!! and don't make them judge you with Rude words like "You Can't sing so don't force yourself to being debut in Lesserafim" and i see a lot of ex-member (Lesserafim) Stans saying that you deserved to leave the group more than the person who just left because you were CLAIMED "Talentless". Fighting Sakura ❤️❤️❤️ we love you show your talent to PUBLIC that you deserve to debut with Lesserafim
They should be thankful for sakura bruh what they even saying😭😭 sakura already have popularity, the most. She independent without lesserafim but choose to debut again! Wtf with other member, they didnt have to gain those popularity if she is not in there!
@@xiaociao3394 "They only gained popular because of Sakura" That's toxic. I love sakura but I love other members also.
she has a vocal coach
Oh please these people already hate GARAM and her fans you're adding fuel to that. Sakura deserves her spot in LE SSERAFIM. (Garam fans usually claim to add her back or they express how the group was good with 6 members OT6). I don't know where you see such kinda words. But Sakura must stay in the group her expressions, her dance, her tone makes the group feels complete with other members.
Vocal lessons take time. It's not an instant fix.
She's been an idol for 10 years and a kpop idol for 6 years, she's had so much time to improve. The rest of her group can perform better even though they started training much later.
What excuse does she have for not being able to sing at this point?
This is proof that beauty is valued over talent.
Exactly
Maybe she just can't improve as much as ppl think. Not everyone is born a singer or able to improve to where they sound like a true singer. That part I feel bad for her. Because you can tell it affects her and that she's genuinely confused why she can't make herself sound a certain way. Sakura is hard working and anyone who has followed her journey knows this. So all in all, she just won't ever sound like a professional singer. Some ppl just can't sound well even with practice
@@nayeontofua good vocal coach might help, but Hybe is tooooooooo hesitant. Hybe focus too much on their performance, yet they forget that they are singers. Singer, should be able to sing.
So true I dont know why every body in this comment section is defending her she is talented but she need to show her talent by improving
Ikr. What we can hear right now her voice is not that kind of voice we want to hear from a person who debuted 3 times
If valid criticism hurts her feelings, she needs to work on both her skill and her mindset. Her feelings can't show because she lacks the technique to show them.
I think you have a point and she should definitely work on her mindset.
With her feeling hurt, though, she’s valid for feeling that way. You have to take in the context. She’s been an idol since she was 13 so hearing from people that she’s not good at singing despite her previous j-pop idol status can be shocking. Besides that, I think this is more of a systemic issue with Hybe. They didn’t do much to help her transition vocally from j-pop to k-pop. Hybe seems to enjoy taking on idols who they don’t have to train vocally or who they have to pay minimum attention to vocally. This isn’t the first time an idol under Hybe has been left out to dry. Besides all this, knetizens are also extremely critical and can be hateful at times, like what we saw with Shuhua from (g)-idle when she struggled with pronunciation.
Exactly!!
As an Idol she needs to do better cuz that's her job we can't pity her all the time. In case to debut as an Idol they need to be perfect & talented not just pretty
@@kikiwannabananawatermelonmangoWhy she's shock? Bcs everyone always praise her visual and dance. When she become and idol ofcourse it's different. She have to sing, not only dance (she can't even rapping) They said she already debut 3 times? debut 3 times as a dancer right? Bcs what we can hear right now her voice is not that kind of voice we want to hear from a person who debuted 3 times. Wtf she do since she was 13 until now? Knitting?
don't act as if you were a dance or singing teacher, you don't know anything about it so you can't speak
I sympathize with her, but being so long in the industry makes it hard to justify her skill level. I hope she finds her voice...
she runs from problems. all you have to do is practice vocals more often. face it. You've been in this industry for 10 years, that's not a short time, even mountains can change in 10 years.
@kkurakisseverybodythen why was the training for?? as an idol you either rap or sing!! if she can’t do both then why did she even choose this profession?
@@jayashreesharma9224her actually getting vocal lessons her years in Japan they never gave her vocal lessons she had to learn herself idols in Japan focus more on fan service than actual vocals
@@Sweetbugflower yeah but it’s not a j-pop right? she should have worked harder!!! no excuse
@@jayashreesharma9224 but it’s hard from transitioning from one thing to another especially since you’ve been doing it for years and she just got vocal training people don’t progress as fast as other remembers that
@@Sweetbugflower but she has trained for more than 6 years right??!!
I understand everything. But are we normalising calling them idols who don't know singing but just dance just out of sympathy. This gen's idols are full of beauty and dancers only.
Singers that can't sing 😃? Are kpop fans that low? Fearnot?
IKR 😂 supposed to be singers who can dance
tbf it's not the entire 4th gen that can't sing. Almost all groups who debuted in 2018-19 are still slaying live singing with just as difficult choreo. It's only the late 4th and 5th gen who are slowly becoming more focused on visual than vocal.
Just hang in there, Sakura!!! Continue moving forward and use their negative comments to strengthen yourself! My baby, SHINee’s Taemin, was considered tone deaf when he first started and now he covers some of Jonghyun’s parts and found his own voice :) Ganbatte~
Awww you’re right about Taemin. I remember people in audience would laugh at his voice even. He proved everyone wrong and so will Sakura !
She's almost 10years in this industry, and many of her fan says she's not improving her vocal, yet some fans want her to have more lines. And with Taemin, it's different case. Taemin never been bad in singing. He's tone deaf in SM's vocal standard (even Shindong considered tone deaf when SJ debut), and back then, Taemin voice is "like a kids voice" cuz he debut in such young age. He improve his vocal even before Jjong left
@@carr4905 She's been in the entertainment industry for 12 years, 7 of which were in Jpop industry, 5 in the Korean. Jpop idols aren't trained like korean idols. They're debuted with little training, Sakura was 12 years old when she debuted. The idols in Jpop industry are expected to learn along the way therefore they cannot compete with Korean trainees. They're almost on the same level as a newbie trainee in some company in Korea. She's been working in Korean industry for 5 years. Due to her time in Jpop industry for the majority of her career and her young age, her vocals have been trained in a specific jpop idol way. But the Korean trainees do a lot more training than them so it does make sense on why she would be lacking. She has used this method of singing for 7 years so it's very hard to get rid of it. She has improved in LSF and she's hardworking so she'll continue to do so.
Taemin improved very quickly and very vastly - and he’s one of the best dancers in kpop ever and their main dancer so it wasn’t like he was just there. He was already immensely talented in one area and then added vocals on top of that.
@@jayennegiselle1836 japanese idol do get vocal training, i heard this from idol itself (tho its a virtual youtuber idol, who had real peopel behind the scene, they admit they got a lot of vocal trainer, and the idol who said it is noel shirogane, she also bad heck she's actually tone deaf in my opinion, but she improve a lot during her 3 year training) specially in akb48, its a big name, they definitely get vocal training
For people here cant even take some criticism on their biases, what i want her to do is, to improve her vocals. On her unforgiven era encore , her vocals are so bad sakura,eunchae and kazuha needs some vocal training, if you wanna hate me, hate me all you like idc
Nope broo who tf will hate you
You choose to speak facts...
@@prpa28 le sserafim nowadays are lip syncing always.. yunjin and chaewon are only ones protecting the groups image...
@@Daisydockey 💯
I agree, they should get training but i kinda saw some comments going too far.. not defending them but i wish the others wouldnt take it far and just criticize them, and ALSO they should move to another company bc wtf are they doing with le sserafim?!?
@@awitsyio HYBE- Fast début with success but no training
i feel bad for her and i know how much it can hurt her feelings, but she has been in the industry long enough. i believe all she needs is a skilled vocal trainer and some motivation to get through it. Even though she had a lot of time to improve which she couldn't really do, it is never to late. don't worry kkura us fearnots are always waiting for you to improve and will support you no matter what!❤️😊
But singing is her job, though. She probably needs vocal training if people say her voice isn't good. I find it dumb that fans are always trying to coddle these women and treat them like their own children. I'm not a hater, I'm allowed to have an opinion.
That’s why not all can be singer. 🥴
This was even before debuting im Le Ssearafim, and she's aware that people criticize her vocals, It's been 3yrs but instead of seeing her improvement, we got disappointed again and again.
because lsf concept doesn’t suit her natural vocal register. listen to her when she was in akb48 and tell me she doesn’t have a beautiful voice. hybe is corrupt, stop blaming the artist.
@@haleylynhudsThat's why companies should study all that before debuting a group bc the group harmony is very important.
@@ayanobadass949 this!! i’m tired of companies sloppily pushing out groups as a cash grab, it really hurts the artists
She’s improved a lot since pre-debut and if you can’t see that I don’t really think you’re a fan of this group tbh.
Just face it she has no talent in singing why isit so hard to accept tt?
She was literally going to cry her voice is so pretty and soft☹️
Instead of feeling discouraged and scared, you should attend vocal lessons and vocal training to improve your singing. You cannot control the people. They would always say negative things every chance they get. So to shut them up and let more people recognize your craft, you should show that you do really have it and can do it.
As Kkura's fan, I believe that comments like this is something that she needs. I agree that she's bad at singing, but like she improved dancing, she has room to improve singing. She should attend more vocal lessons and work on her singing and show people that she can sing. Kkura will surely be an all-rounder if she works on her singing.
Yes, agree!!
I agree, i hate to see the hate train, i wish they could just go to a company that wont treat them like shit, at this point their agency is just sabotaging them because they didnt even improve..
(This is the first positive comment i saw and i was happy, even if i cant defend them i still worry about their younger member.. shes still in school right?? Its hard to see her getting laughed at because of the hate i dont wanna see it lead to death like before.)
This woman needs to be protected. She’s truly a cherry blossom
This woman doesn’t need protection, this woman needs proper vocal training 🤷🏻♀️
@@billliealim Nobody said she doesn’t,you are just being toxic rn 🤷♀️.
@@Verowinday777And did I lie? It’s all about feelings cuz you don’t wanna hurt your fave. The truth hurts, hun
I'll support u no matter what..just keep working hard🤍
i swear she deserves everything. 💗 she is insanely nice and funny and so real to others. i want her to have more lines 💗🥺
Sakura you can improve ,you need to believe in your ability to sing , it'll take alot of practice . But you can do it . Stop cutting yourself short . Youre capable ,I understand its tough but the fact that you are so strong in this industry all this years means you can be better than you were .
You just need better vocal trainers to see where youre going wrong and fix it from there . Maybe even maximize your current vocal tone to match a bridge etc. Rather than making you sing in a tone thats not for you .
We love and support you sakura !! Keep going strong , dont give up!!
sakura you are the strong woman i love
I truly respect Kpop idols, they go through a Lot, work so hard, & have a lot of pressure, but still try to give their best for the fans. I hope they stay more happy and healthy
Apparently, their pressure is 95% on dancing not singing, which she 100% needs
@@billliealimremember when a bunch of kpop stans threw a hissy fit after EXO’s Xiumin factually said that idols should foremost be singers 😭
actually insane behavior
Before when i was new into kpop i watched produce 48 while skippibg most of it tge whole time and always thought that sakura was pretentious nd all and thought she didnt deserve the hype she was getting but later after watching the whole produce series again i can reslky see how much of a hard working person she iss even in the produce season i was so shocked by her words i thought she was a fragile girl but she understood her situation of not being as talented as msny girls there but instead of being sad and giving up she really worked hard even now i can see how much of a strong woman she is and is always ready to improve herself and change the mind of others who underestimate her she is really one of the strongest girl i have ever seen abd seeing her grow is really worth watching
My question is why did she want to become an idol in the first place or even debut if she can’t sing? Like there are just two main criteria for being an idol: singing and dancing. So if u can’t sing then…
Same question. Why are their fans mad when people ask them why they don't do their job? Maybe they are tone deaf too
Right on the money my thoughts too, its like any other professional like being a doctor , u cant qualify if your not smart enough , and kpop fans are as usual delusional
Ya fr
Bro Sakura used to be a Japanese idol and she just is used to singing high
@@ObeyCatsOrelselol even if she was have an experienced 10 years being an idol doesnt make any excuse if can't sing and dont make any vocal practice like girl if u want improve yourself then u need a discipline to more learning and take some vocal lesson to improve lol
her lines maybe not alot but her efforts are alot and bigger than that, at least she's not giving up and always giving her best in everything ! ily kkura !
Well she improved so much today and her voice is there now! Her hard work and effort paid off. I'M PROUD OF YOU KKURA❤ . Please continue to surprise your fans about your improvement and your unmovable determination to do better because we know you're doing your best! We will protect you!😭
아니 노래를 못하면 연습을해아지. 지금 요리사가 손님이 요리 맛없다고해서 상처받아서 손님이 안왔으면 좋겠다는거잖아
Interfan: Kfan only care about appearance!
Also interfan: Defending Sakura when Kfan criticizing her skills
It’s easier to judge her then to believe
She is working hard but haters will still judge her I love u sakura❤
She needs to forget her past akb48 singing techniques and tried to learning fron zero all over again. Its hard but i think this is the only way for her to learn the good singing techniques. Maybe tried from vocal couch outside the agency...
I understand people can be extreme but she's getting paid millions to do what she's supposed to do... Sing. I mean, if after years of training she still doesn't know how to do the most basic requirement of her job maybe she should step down from her position and let actual talented people get the chance. If you are aware you can't sing and still go forward with your "singing" career and then get mad at the public for pointing that you can't sing ... That's your fault. You know you can't. If you know and still decide to become a celebrity at least get a tough skin and stop complaining. I'm sorry if it's tough but either you have the talent or you don't.
kkurakisseverybody please, stop being delusional. She has been in the industry for a whole decade and debuted in three different groups, lmfao. She didn't learn anything at all from all these years and hasn't been trying at all, it seems. If she did try and hired a vocal coach she would at least sound decent at this point. But she doesn't, she sounds awful for someone called a "singer" and still wants to be the victim and coddled by her fans when people tell her she can't sing
@@user-yq7bg3ev9g people coddled up way to much
Don't pity her rather than saying ' I don't want many lines in the song ' after people told her that her singing is bad she should have said that ' i will practice more and more and make sure i will get the most lines just because of my singing ability ' but you guys are like stop criticising her .
Her vocals are bad she should realise this and work on it .
SHE WILL BE AMAZING IN FEW YEARS NO WORRIES WE KNOW SHE WORKS HARD DOES HER BEST! FIGHTING SAKURA ✨💜💜💜🤗🥺
Bc its true. Change starts by self awareness. If she keeps forcing it without actually acknowledging it, she will never know what she is doing wrong. Not all born stars are naturally talented. Sometimes its the hard work. Too bad she needs to do the hard work.
Yeah her vocals is little weak for me but I know she got this
true .
if they all watching produce 48 they'll know how hard and desperate she wants to improve.
she knows she lacking. so she worked hard more part she's good
She is trying her best you can’t ask anyone to be better than her best when they are at their best they giving it they are giving everything at their best nobody can be better than their best they can only try their best
If this is her best then she should just dance and her fan and agency should stop trying to convince everyone She is a singer. She is a great dancer and a nice girl
Well doing her best and still sounding like that ???
How can you hate on someone who works their ass off so hard? I just can't help but admire anyone who works so hard to be better.
exactly. some people are so pessimistic, saying she can’t improve even with years of practice, but that is not true at all. she improved tremendously in dance from i*zone and she was considered the group’s weakest dancer. but now she is around the same level as the rest of the fimmies, apart of one of fourth gen’s best girl groups in dance
@@alois0182 Literally, no one criticizes her dance improvement. There's only 2 things people criticize about her꞉ vocals and Korean pronunciation.
She's been singing for over 10 years now. She took vocal lessons for an entire year before LSF debut and she still struggles even with simple rap lines. And, her stans wonder why she only gets few lines and call it "mistreatment."
No one is expecting her to sing like Ailee. But, there's zero improvement in her vocal abilities. Only solo stans will support delusional praise that she's a "great singer" and has good "vocal color," when she clearly doesn't. That's not "hAtE" either. That's the truth.
She needs to show results, working your ass off doesn't matter if the results don't show
Experienced sakura still didn’t managed to get to sing. can’t believe why she still in the industry.
This is why I stop pushing for my faves to have more lines even they deserve it cuz this may be the story why they have the least lines. Just support them, don't ask anything for them because maybe it's their choice to not have what we desired them to have.
Ikr! I don’t get why this never crossed some fans head
Even for main vocalist, sometimes they have too much lines, so they're going to have some songs where they don't have to sing too much in order to rest their vocal cord, especially during concert. Ppl don't take this into account.
I stanned Tzuyu once upon a time and I can assure you that it's just a gaslighting excuse.
@@yoon9521wish the setlist masters understood that🙃
@@yoon9521 no fr, when i saw 2x in concert, all the songs were basically heavily focused on JH and her power-belting. by the end of each concert she was REALLY fatigued. a harsh lesson about favoritism in line distribution
I mean she got a platform among all the other hardworking trainees and idols and also she's been an idol for almost a decade now. Its literally the barest minimum to expect her sing decently ✋💀😭
Well it's not like they lied tho since she really can't sing well,I wish they train her vocal first insted of rushing to debut her when she can't even sing properly but I like her voice so I really hope she can sing well.I am honestly looking forward to her development.😊
idk. dua lipa was used to get dragged, mocked and memed by the whole internet for having stiff dance movements and boring stage presence. yet she proved that she can do so in her next album. her performance has massively gotten better. its a matter of improvement and believing in oneself. crying for synpathy from fans and focusing on hate comments isnt gonna make it all better as a singer. she should try to start over from scratch and find better vocal coaches from outside company.
@kkurakisseverybody I mean I would want to give her another try, she is a hard worker after all. but it's the fact that she's been in the korean industry for YEARS, but her vocal skills over those years do not prove worthy enough (I'm sorry). bang shi hyuk could claim that yes, she (and chaewon) has the most experience out of all members in lsfm, but heck even hybe rookies like newjeans are doing much better in comparison to her. kpop industry and coaches cannot coddle idols. criticisms are meant to be taken as improvement in becoming a better idol. she gotta work in rewiring her mindset, think of wanting to practice more to become a better singer on stage, instead of thinking of lessening the lines in songs to run away from further backlash.
keep practicing & keep growing. it'll be perfect one day !
The more you should work hard, train harder...talent may come naturally to others, but you can also get it through hardwork and practice and dedication if its really your passion
Do not pity people who do not pity themselves, it's up to her if she really want to improve
we love you kkura :(
Sakura really needs more vocal training. She already has a big fandom, she needs to get out of her comfort zone and aim higher.
I don't hate kkura and i understand she has always been weak vocally since the beginning, However, she is in the industry for 5 years already . I am pretty sure hybe provided her vocal training pre and post le sserafim but i am sorry , i don't see the result.(if she truly is improving, we should have seen at least a bit improvements during unforgiven encore, but nothing... tbh she sounded a bit better in pd48 than now. ) I think zuha is also not vocally strong prior to le sserafim, but she is improving a lot. C'mon kkura let's prove me wrong next time cause i know, if you keep on training your vocal , u can do it.❤
I thought encore at music shows were supposed to be fun and celebratory . It seems to have become a breeding ground for hatred and cyber bullying. It’s seems unfair to the idols. Honestly perhaps it time the music shows get rid of the encore portion of the show if this is the result. This hatred is not specific to sakura and happens to many other idols. Also I would like to point out the best singer in the world would have trouble performing if he or she was filled with anxiety from constantly being insulted. It would be impossible for improvement to show under those circumstances. Just something to think about. Additionally I don’t think you were trying to be mean which I appreciate, unfortunately that can’t be said for other people’s comments. P.S I like Sakura’s voice now and I will like it in the future.
I feel bad for the people who trained for years, have better vocals more talented n deserving than her but didn't got to debut :(
Eg-Daniel from i-land(I miss him😩)
This is actually a wise thing to do, though shes doing as a defense mechanism against hate. She will definitely improve with vocal teaining overtime and shine brighter
I mean she was Japanese idol since young , ioi and now lessrafim , not all idols know how to sing , to have nice voice you need to born with it , she is good performer .
No that false, you can learn how to sing its a muscle not everyone can be Beyoncé but you can develop your voice and be Your best. This is her best and thats okay
“People say I’m a bad singer” well.. you are. And guess what, crying won’t get a person anywhere, instead try to accept the truth and learn , practice , be aware of your mistakes.
People used to criticise my art when I started drawing and I heard TON of them , but I was aware that my art should improve to satisfy myself and willing to improve and finding my own style , now all of them know how much I’m good , so , PRACTICE. PLZ.
She's trying, and just because you get criticism doesn't mean she has to 😢
@@My_world_of_art It’s a normal thing to get babe, you did good or not people will criticise but doesn’t mean that their criticising is for a bad thing , sometimes it’s a valid one we should take in consideration to make ourselves better.
Criticism won’t hurt , yes hating her won’t make her better , but that doesn’t mean she should ignore the critique she gets.
Honestly I think she does understand that that is why she's practising and u can tell she knows but still ten years in the industry requires alot more
@@حمودي11ظ yeah, but this criticism isn't gonna make her do better, it hurts her..
It's not "constructive criticism", if it was, they would've helped her by pointing out what's wrong and how to fix it, not just showing her the issue, that just lowers her confidence and self esteem
her normal register is a high pitched voice but they often make her sing in a lower register so it's not her fault they just don't let her use her real voice tho her lower register would get better with vocal training hybe gives very poor vocal training take illit and le sserifim for example trust me she has a beautiful voice and also has improved so much in her lower register so please give her time instead of harshly judging her cause there's much we don't know behind the scenes
People blaming hybe trainers and defending sakura should know that jungkook is also a hybe artist 😂😂
That's what I'm saying. The problem here is her mindset.
at least she’s self aware
Let em talk! She’s great and I would love to hear more of her!
In particular her parts on their Japanese release, Choices, are fantastic!
aww sakura, she doesn't deserve to be scared of judgement everytime she sings :( she's got a lovely and unique voice
if some of y'all hate sakura and her singing, you don't know all that she went through to reach her dream even prior to iz*one
sakura luv u no one can stop u nobody ..... We fans r here to cheer for u 😊🎉🎉 Come on ........we all luv u 💖
I sympathize with her because singing well is not easy. But having less lines doesn't solve the problem. She will continue to face criticism until she improves
this fr Im willing to spend my entire life savings for Sakura. She's destined to be an idol, and her honesty with fans is unrivaled 😢
Not to judge, but you should self conscious that if u cannot sing don't be a singer. We have our own talent. Don't get greedy...
kkurakisseverybody just keep it to yourself then. You must can sing if u want to be a singer.
Or, at least take vocal train seriously. If u did but the outcome didn't go as expected then u must realize that u r not a singer. As simple as that.
@@annaliana4473Lol their company is the one providing their lessons not them.
i love kura’s singing shes done solo songs and sounds good she has her own distinct sound
I love sakura bcz she is strong
This video will hits different after coachella issues
Try releasing your voice through your diagphram by breathing in before the line then think it put in the power of your emotions then as you sing breathe out to release the emotional energy...it reaches the audience and the energy bounces back and forth from the stage back to your audience...the audience is the magnifier and increase the energy quality
I just want to give her a long and deep hug..
I want to support sakura bit listen if she is not good at singing even after being in the industry for so many years maybe she should not be a singer . She should put her hardwork into something else . *she is a talented person but not in singing* . No matter what people will criticise if a singer can't sing .
I’m crying rn SAKURA WILL ALWAYS BE A SUCH GOOD SINGER AND YOU GUYS CANT STOP HER AT ALL .THANKS TO HER IM TOLD MY SELF YOU CAN DO WHAT EVER YOU WANT AND PEOPLE CANT STOP YOU
There is something you can't change, vocal cord. The one you can change is how you sing with what you have. At least that was JYP said to his trainees in vocal training.
lmao and that's why his company's vox are so panned
I will love kkura for what she does for the group for me she's talented give her a chance to show her real talent
There is a valid reason why she is being criticize, she cant sing live. There are a lot of groups with talented members being overshadowed by groups who have a strong company behind them. But groups who came from the BIG 3, has proven that their idols are talented and worth the hype. How about HYBE’s GG- Le Sserafim and Illit- 2 groups who has good sound engineer behind their vocals and became famous cause they came from HYBE. They need a proper voice trainer
Awww i feel so bad about our Kura. You deserve more dear ❤
It's true tho, their encore is an evidence
kura:( I think she have a so sweet and pretty voice. We love U Sakura
Just keep going push through.
Don't be sad 😔
You deserve better 😊❤❤
kkura honey, if you dont want to be called that way, then you should practice your vocal, ask soumu to give you a vocal training, its the least someone who called themselves singer can do ❤
I hope that as she keeps improving she gets more confident
she has a vocal coach
sakura keep on shining ....even u don't have more lines but for me ur very talented
she's been an idol for 10 years and still can't sing as good as members of LE SSERAFIM...
Honestly speaking.......
Her voice makes my day ❤ like..how can somebody say that to such a beautiful voice ?
I love her voice ❤
To all who are taking her side:- If you are bad at something that then you try to improve in it and no hate to her but it is high time she improves😅❤
She so humble...I like people who acknowledge their weakness
She’s not a bad singer, her voice is just different than other idols. I wish we could do more to encourage idols with more unique voices.
thought you were talking about Moon Sua for a sec, but nope. bad singing is bad singing, which is mainly a result of bad technique. Vocal tone isn't even involved.