The giant theropod that Spinosaurus may have ACTUALLY fought...
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- We're finally back to dinosaurs! So, let's take a look at the giant African theropod that Spinosaurus might have actually fought, the Carcharodontosaurus...
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0:28 Discovery
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05:29 Would it win a fight against Spinosaurus?
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Spinosaurs are often compared to herons, which are effective predators, but herons also are known for using their long necks and beaks to steal prey caught by other animals. Makes me imagine a Spinosaurus trying to badger Carcharodontosaurus into dropping its kill, then swimming away with it.
I mean, dynamics change when you are as big as a giant theropod, plus evidencie point that Spinosaurus wasn't that good of a swimmer
I would compare spinosaurs more to crocodiles than herons in a more ecological sense
@@bobbyjankins3796 even though Spinosaurus is one of the most unique dinosaurs, i would say that he would be more like a gharial in the sense he would struggle when trying to fight most things that weren't fish
🤣😅😂🤣😅😂☝️☝️ you can't prove that but nice indoctrinated regurgitation
The two species of therapod, sitting around a campfire, singing:
Home, home on the Range.
What I thought when I read those first two parts:
Two species of Therapod, sittin' in a hot tub, 5ft apart cuz they nOt ghey xD
I'd imagine that these conflicts were likely disputes over large prey items- such as a dead sauropod, or clashes borne of scarce resources... unless spinos aggressively defended rivers or lakes where they hunted. Given the relatively similar size of these predators, it's would seem unlikely to me either would be attacking the other unless it were to drive the other away or defend a nest/territory, and that conflicts were not often fatal (as we see with Apex predators in modern ecosystems)
Spinosaurus: Nah I'd win
Spinosaurus: Stand proud Carcharadontosaurus you are strong.
you do know Carcharodontosaurus will win most of the time when encountering Spinosaurus? since you know, a better build for fighting other megatheropod
@@MiniTrialyou clearly never graduated from humour university
@@Distix-uz8qr to be a clown 🤡?
@@Distix-uz8qr to be a comedian 🤡?
@@MiniTrial you lack a common sense of humour are you drax fr 💀
Always remember carcharodontsaurus being 8 meters long and not very special and grouped with the Megalosaurus. That was about 40 years ago
I love this channel I just wish the videos were a little bit longer and more regular but certainly not complaining 👌🏽
Noted!
Distractingly cute !
Great channel, enjoyable content. Keep it up!
Thank you, glad you enjoy it!
@@dino-gen
Hello Dino gen,congrats on the fast growth of subscribers🎉 also this is very possible since ive found a rock that was for sale (it has a charc teeth and spinosaurus teeth on the same rock)
Thank you 😃 also that's awesome!
Outstanding video
Thank you so much 😀
I’ve been enjoying your content. Mike from Prehistoric Magazine
This is why dinosaurs look both ways before crossing the street. You wouldn't wanna be hit by a CARadontasaurus
(Yes this a joke)
CARCARadontosaurus*
Great vid, and I've always been fascinated by this particular dinosaur ever since I was introduced to it by Jurassic Park III - ha ha. BTW, highly intelligent and smoking hot - mmwahh! You're eyebrows are very expressive, like Adrienne Brody's
Haha well I'm glad you're enjoying the channel on multiple levels 😂 Thank you!
I know Spinosaurus & Carcharodontosaurus often get brought up as the two carnivorous mega theropods that actually fought each other, but what if Giganotosaurus & Mapusaurus fought with Oxalaia?
I dont think any spinosauridae was equipped to take down apex theropods like giganotosaurus, charcharodontosaurus and t-rex. They evolved to furfill a different niche.
Dinosaurs are soo cool 👍🏼
They could have had disputes, but they would have no reason to fight to the death, even though that it would be possible, but they have different niches and would not have had much competition with each other, but they would probably still fight for small carcasses
reminds me of some video of loins trying to attack crocs
Depends on how much Spino changes (yet again) in size and shape. But it’s obvious they occupied a different niche. When they did fight I imagine it would have been over scavenging or over young.
If spinoaurus had behavioral complexity on par with some hawks deliberate drowning might be a tactic.
スピノサウルスの背中の帆は、四足歩行で体高が低いため、上方からの攻撃から脊髄を守るために発達したんでしょう。仮に帆は噛み千切られたところで、致命傷にはなり得ません。
I'm curious about the 9 meter Dacentrurus
the statement of "I don't get the obsession with pitting dinosaurs against each other"... the answer is very very clear... Kaiju
Honestly though we are a species that can't help but wonder about violence in all things so... big hulking beasts that may or may not have clashed fuels the imagination of "what if" and here we are
Theres this moving philosophy that dinosaurs shouldn't be fighters claiming its unrealistic, granted fighting to the death outside predator-defensive prey relationship is exaggerated but animals even extinct ones fought pretty badly leaving injuries leaving tooth marks, infections that ate at the bone, and just looking at modern day animals even if their not related. As for what scenario could've took place with Spino/Cara mostly brief scuffle around lake beds, and harsh times causing conflicts, as for dramatic fighting like in movies no.
How did this dinosaur get along with the crocodiles?
For once my bizarre dinosaur daydreams were right 🦖
Whatever happened necks probably didn't get snapped in a weird anticlimactic way.
Both may threaten when there's a big carcass.
So you can say Carcharodontosaurus (a mouthful for just a single use), but cannot say Tyrannosaurus once. Okaayyyy. Seriously, what does this sound like: (names a list): Carcharodontosaurus, Spinosaurus, Tyrannotitan, Giganototsaurus and...T-Rex! I so get you having so many issues with the idiots calling it the "African T-rex"-whatever a T-Rex is! So, while I agree with all your issues being this Tyrannosaurus-obsessed that he's what all are measured by crap, I have an extra one, and it's right there!
I again agree with you on so many things, especially this lovely statement about 5:35-"I don't get the obsession of pitting dinosaurs against each other, I don't know why we can't appreciate them as animals." Here here, and the least pleasing parts of the Jurassic Lark franchise before it got really pointless from 2015 onwards are when dinosaurs are made to fight each other over killing people. I also love your justifiably defensiveness at 6:37 chiding those who call the 2 largest predators of Africa's mid-Cretaceous likelihood of mutual aggression pointless as both would have kept out of each other's way, an ironic reaction likely from many who LIKE putting dinosaurs against each other, even those that would have never met. Yet why would anyone think this pointless-we're discussing two once-living brilliant dinosaurs. And the "would have kept apart" slapping down of the bar is silly and actually naive. Look at the world, people, it changes. There will be times when their ranges would overlap or they just find themselves in each other's company. The "different niche" thing means nothing when times are tough, droughts are in force and animals struggle and find themselves facing off against each other when they normally may not. I can think of several episodes that would put these 2 against each other, but that doesn't mean it would get out of hand.
But is Carcharodontsaurus NOT gonna walk along the river just because a Spino egypticus may be already there naturally? Will he turn his nose up at the chance to kill and eat a croc, fish etc? Does he not ned to drink now? Likewise, when the rainy seasons leave, the rivers dry up. Spinosaurus is going to HAVE to walk overland. I'm surprised you didn't bring up Ouranosaurus as a big ornithopod living alongside them both, as this is now understood. I reckon they ignored or even respected each other, maybe the younger ones tried it on a bit. But what must Late Jurassic USA and Africa have been like with (1) Allosaurus, (2) Ceratosaurus, (3) Torbosaurus, (4) Marshosaurus and monster (5) Saurophaganax constantly round each other when events dictate? That is 5 sizeable predators together-no way niche-fragmentation are going to keep them apart, they would have to cross sometimes. Hell, look at Africa, lions steal from hyenas once they've made a kill (far more frequent than the other way round), leopards waylay cheetahs to get their prey, vultures and maribous storks are big and formidable enough to force the lightly built Cheetah away from its kill, painted dogs vie with lions and leopards etc. Predators do kill other predators, sometimes to eat, or just to remove them from 'their' territory. Bears and wolves and pumas in the US confront each other at times, doesn't matter about so-called 'niche separation'. that is NOT a sustainable notion with any permanence. All these creatures live where they live, they don't spend their whole life in one tiny place, so they WILL encounter each other, it's up to them whether it turns nasty or not.
This is also brought up by paleontologists over Daspletosaurus and Gorgosaurus living at the same time period, a silly thing to be bemused, as what makes people think that only one tyrannosaurid ever lived at once, and only the next would come along when that one died out! That is stupid beyond belief, especially considering Late Jurassic America and Africa (see above). Feeling they should explain this nonsense, they figure Gorgosaurus would hunt mainly duck bills (why? duck bills are huge, and always bigger than most tyrannosaurus when fully grown!) leaving the "more problematic ceratopsians and ankylosaurs to the bigger, more stolid Daspletosaurus, which may have been harder to hunt". Oh, so it's just 'may' now is it? It's finally dawning on some people now (and videos are beginning to be uploaded about it) that your average duckbill is so huge it bulks out and rises above any co-existing tyrannosaur by just walking on all fours! Therefore its weight would be impressive to, and the species they've listed as being prey for Gorgo/Daspleto actually OUTWEIGH them by at least a tonne. So full adults would likely be avoided and the half-grown ones those at risk. This assumption that a Daspletosaurus would let an Orodromeus, Bambiraptor or half-grown Propsaurolophus amble past and away just cos Styracosaurus and Chasmosaurus will likely hurt them more. D'oh! And fossilised stomach contents proof otherwise, just like with Baryonyx and the juvenile Iguanodon it ingested once. You don't turn up at something tasty and likely defenceless (at that young age) just cos your dentition demands you're a fishy fella! And I don't see Gorgosaurus passing up Euoplocephalus, Oohtokia and Centrosaurus, just cos he's more lightly built than the D! In both cases, you go for the easiest. The slowest ones tend to be better armoured, but the faster ones, and this includes all duck bills, will get way from you and wear you out. But the biggest ones may not move at all, simply outsizing the tyrannosaurids by some distance is enough to stop them in their tracks. "Crushed by an Anatotitan" ('Walking With Dinosaurs book), while a surprising phrase to explain one of the dangers to the Tyrannosaurus lifestyle back then, now makes far more sense these days, though the dino name is Edmontosaurus of course, an animal so successful it was living many millions of years before the final Cretaceous few million years genera, so he's seen several different Tyrannosaurs come and go, yet still not evolving to be as big as him. Go plant eaters, we knew you rocked!
I suppose you will use this essay as part of your Doctorate thesis it is quite a read. Have you been to the Tyrell Dinosaur Museum in Alberta Canada? You might want to take it in.
bestie. my brother in scientific learning. Algeria is a countRy, not a county. big emphasis on that missing R, just a heads up. i am certain it was a typo in the source material
Vividens video claims that both carchar and spino reached 8.2 tons.
Do I spy with my little eye. The monsters resurrected carcharodontosaurus in the thumbnail .
I actually feature these two titans in my novel. Acrocanthosaurus as well.
Is your novel about cloned dinosaurs brought back to life using futuristic cloning techniques, and did you call it “Billy and the cloneasaurus”?
@@vikutaa No. Although, I did take the futuristic science approach.
Wut is the novel
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@@OMNH1188 Can’t say, apparently. My comment was deleted.
yeh is not a Trex but it whoud of played the role of a Trex ?
The only large carnivorous dinosaurs that actually fought with each other were the famous Spinosaurus and Carcardosaurus. 6:52
Good job Henry Cavill.
Thanks! This is also an unintentional running joke that I have no intention of quashing 😂
Well if you have two different Apex predators in the same area even though they have different or sometimes similar prey you’re going to have problems! Both of them have the attitude “I’m hunting here, you go somewhere else!” “No I was here first!”, “You go somewhere else!” 🤨 Just like petulant teenagers! 🙄
Cartoon 👍
Saurophaganax was bigger was it not?
no
Probably based on current skeletal. Carchar was roughly 8.3 tonnes last I checked reliably while sauro was over 8.3-8.9+ tonnes based on leviathan
W.
Saurophaganax ( Leviathan) is 8.5 tons
Spinosaurus is 7.8 tons
Carcharodontosaurus is 8.3 tons
@@kingofprehistory7851 Saurophaganax can be 10-11 tonnes even 13 tonnes.
You can see it in Flourite posts
@@MonsterZero521 I alr did those are erroneous. He used an inflated 14 meter animal which was stated by the vividen himself to only be a possibility. Not reliable. And another who used a 2020s study which the author outright stated was an inflation. Sauro rn sits in the 8-9 ton range
While I dont think it looks like the movies depict it I feel like spinosaurus looks alot more like that and less the way its depicted by Palentoligst I'm sorry that creature wouldn't be able to walk swim stand crawl it is structurally unsound
Magaliabertionsion
Why t-rex never exit in Africa unlike giga and spino seeing in more countries
By the time Tyrannosaurs came about from either Asia or North America, Africa had already become disconnected from them, meaning they couldn't make it across. I'll be explaining more in a Tyrannosaur video in the next week or so 😃
Carcharodontosaurus is 8.2 tons now not just 6
Spinosaurus is 7.7-8.1 tons.
Carcharodontosaurus has size ,strength, powerful bite force & agility.
Carcharodontosaurus wins with size.
Carcha isn’t 9 tons but sure
I think it’s abt the same size of Spinosaurus
Derpi Stego & Epithelial tissue on server agreed on 9+ tons carchar
@@MonsterZero521 epith isn’t a paleontologist although he is very reliable same with derpy but then again they are just discord messages and we have yet to unearth a 9 ton carcha it is possible yet as of now speculative and the same and the possibility of a similar sized spino is just as possible
Spino couldnt swim, and it was slower than charchar . So it HAD to be stronger than charhcar otherwise it would have been FARMED to extinction. Also the vid mentions spino was "lanky" but spino acc had a much wider and broader ribcage than charchar, its ribs were barrel shaped like a t rex. And spino also outlasted charchar, with charchar going extinct before spino AND spino embedded its tooth into it charchars vertebrae.
I think spino is undoubtly stronger. With charchar having to use its better mobility to avoid spino on land, and just let it fish in peace. While charchar chased down land prey
I don't think that's how it works ngl. Carcharodontosaurs wouldn't be driven to predate upon another predator that's their size, and in their home turf. Intimidation ect also work here. Spino lasting longer really isn't an indicator of whose stronger given different environmental pressures for both would've played a role in how they went extinct given their different niches. Carchar simply wouldn't want the trouble or need the trouble of facing off against an 8+ ton spinosaur when it could go after smaller but filling prey. Imo ofc. As for the verterbrae we can't really use one situation to justify a generalised conclusion of whose stronger. It could've been scavenged on, it could be circumstantial ect ect.thp if they did fight I feel like it would be relatively even
@@kingofprehistory7851I feel they would have avoided each other except when Chara needed a drink.
@@gabrielcarrasco9078 ye. Even then they'd have no cause to fight
@@kingofprehistory7851 yes at the very LEAST it was equal. But if one was stronger it would have to be the spino, due to my reasons given. Similar to a modern day sun fish, if a large animal cant defend itself, it will still get preyed upon. Spino being slower, and unable to escape to water , would mean it had no choice but to fight back, and WIN. Which is why it lasted so long (spino had the longest reign of the big three , rex, spino, giga/charchar)
And with how rare fossils are, the fact we found a spino tooth in a charchar vertebrae , prob means it happened often.
@niallmoseley6760 I would say that they were flat equal in terms of who wins environmentally. The reason given I've already rebutted to and gave my opinions to them I think if you are going off a purely hypothetical death match standpoint. No not really. Considering that a spinosaurus likely COULD rear up in a tripod like stance while having nasty arms for slashing. And being over 8 tonnes, it's still not something that a carch would ideally face. Given that this isn't a prey item which it even specialises on anyways regardless of being an opportunist like most predators by likelihood. Having a long reign doesn't really justify on it being physically stronger but rather it's niche and enviornment having been sustained for a longer period of time. T rex had the asteroid collision to boast.
Not really. It once again could be entirely coincidental given that the logic of only a singular specimen being found could mean vice versa. The basis that uses this logic is a bit too speculative and flimsy to give a definitely objective or likelihood as an assumption or contention imo
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You made 1 enormous mistake and that is you should never ask for comments in a Spinosaurus related video. Spinosaurus fans lift Spinosaurus to a legendary height so you will never hear a solid comment.
If You’re going to speak with such a thick, heavy accent you need to slow down
Netflix witcher did Henry cavill dirty so he decided to cover paleontology now