For the past eight months, I've been using your tips for running further and longer. In the past, 3.5 miles was my longest run. Wanting to run further and longer has taken me on a journey and commitment to see this through; not knowing if I would succeed or fail. Well today, at 60 years old, I just completed my first Half Marathon at a pace of 8:26. Was wearing the Endorphin 2 Shield- which I love! Thanks for the motivation and knowledge that has helped me run further and longer; without injury.
QD: as an owner of the ultra glide‘s and the Speedgoats, I would half to stick with the Speedgoat 5’s for two main reasons. Grip and stability. As far as grip goes the ultra glide‘s do just fine and rocky terrain and even wet rocks. But they do not do well once you switch over to soft packed dirt and other loose material. Also as a runner who is 6’5”, I feel very unstable in the ultra glide‘s on technical terrain but have never felt that in the speedgoats. I currently use the ultra glides for hard packed dirt and gravel fire roads and the Speedgoats for when it gets more technical.
QD: I tried both the speedgoat 4 and UltraGlide the last time I bought trails shoes. For me it just plain came down to how each fit my foot with the UltraGlide being better. Don’t accept a bad personal fit for your foot just because the score is high. Any weird fit issue will come back to haunt you deep into a run
@@carsonwong4144 maybe, but really it came down to the ultra’s fitting like a glove and the speedgoats having one tiny tiny spot that didn’t feel quite right on my foot. They’re so similar you can’t go wrong, for me it just came down to the final fit!
@Carson Wong The toe box on my UG is much more rounded vs the SG4 was too pointed and smashed my toes. I wouldn't call the UG a wide shoe at all, just fit my toes much better. Too bad because I wanted the speed goat 4 because of its Vibram megagrip and more aggressive lugs. So far the ultra glides have offered me just as good of grip in real world use compared to my sense ride 4s, topo mtn racer2s, Salomon xultra3 low, altra lone peak 5s.
Yeah Hoka very straight in fit. Salomon more banana shaped. (Nike also fit like Salomon) I have to recommend the Norvan LD3s, they fit even nicer than the Ultraglides and are more fun to run in.
I just took my Ultra Glides over 500 miles. Probably the best shoe for all terrain that I've ever wore. Lugs are worn of course but I am still wearing them for easy training long runs. I wore them all winter on the ice and snow packed roads here. Just enough grip and lots of cushion. Just a great shoe all around.
I've had three pair of the hoka speed goats and loved them. My 2nd pair has hundreds of miles with just a slight bit of tread wear. The first pair retired from running but still them for softball games! I'll stick with the hokas!
Speedgoat 5 vs. Evo Speedgoat, of course. Though I suppose that's more of a comparison than a shoe battle. I don't believe it would change the outcome but the durability score was a bit off. Speedgoat 5 got 350-400mi for 7.5 while the UG got 400mi for 7. Is there something I'm missing?
Seth I wanted to do a shout out to you in regards to your shoe reviews and fantastic training tips I started running again 6 months ago after a very long break and tonight broke the 2hr mark for the half marathon distance 1hr52mins so bloody happy and it is thanks to your inspiration. I did it in my new Clifton8s which I just purchased to replace my first Clifton7s that started to tear at the material edge( I am still happy with them getting 400kms out of them and I was about 90kgs when I started) I also picked up a pair of Endorphin Pro 2s at the same time which I am added to my rotation for speed days currently but want to get comfortable in them and race in them come race day. Again Thankyou for all the tips and advice. Next shoe will be a train shoe to add to mix up my training Onwards and Upwards
I run in the Ultra Glide and Speedgoat 4. I love both but to me the Ultra Glide is a bit more special. Nice review. Now I feel no pressure to rush out and buy the SG 5. Thanks.
Absolutely perfect timing. I was looking at the hoka for a trail marathon. However now I need to check out Salomon. 230 lbs slower runner so cushion and time on feet matter. Thanks for a great review. 👍 I am going try both on at the store for a comparison
Great to see two amazing options. I currently have the UGs and have been so pleased. I just hope Salomon fixes the lace storage issue on the tongue in a future version, it's always temporarily annoying.
i found that the ultra glides were a perfect combination of the hoka speedgoats and the hoka torrent. which is why I chose the ultra glides and they haven't disappointed!
QD: I'm a real fan of the Speedgoat line. So for me the Seedgoat 5 would win. It's a concentrate between the Evo and the 4. The next trail shoe battle could be the Inov 8 Terra G 300 vs the Seedgoat 5
Hate to nitpick but the durability scores seemed off. They both got the same prediction but the UG got a lower dcore. Thanks for the video, it was a fun one!
QD: Of course I haven't tried the SG5 yet, but I did do a EVO vs UG battle in which I wore both shoes at the same time. They had quite similar feel but the EVO was just that little bit more comfortable. So I will go SG5 for sure. And my SG4's are at 600K right now and still going strong so I don't worry about the durability.
Ran in the EVO Speedgoat for a long time but did my last 100k in the Ultra Glide and will be wearing them at Black Canyon this weekend. I still think the Ultra Glide is more forgiving for slightly wider feet (crazy to say for Salomon) especially as your feet swell in the second half of a long race, but that rocker technology in the EVO Speedgoat was just incredible. I enjoyed both. Although, I'm hesitant to buy the Ultra Glide again as that lacing system is challenging to deal with and limits the security of the lockdown. Just my opinion. If an Ultra Glide 2 comes out for the summer racing season it would be interesting to re-test the Speedgoat 5 vs any improvements Salomon puts out.
My experience with the Ultraglide has been quite disappointing. While the fit and comfort are great, the amount of overlays make them a water puddle in humid conditions, any moist/water just stays inside which results in the insoles slipping around. I ran a 70km/3500m in them and had to remove the insoles after 2hrs… Also after 55/60k, the midsole caved. No more cushion whatsoever (seems to be an issue reported by others). So a move in the right direction and hopefully they’ll fix these things in the rev 2. In the meantime I’ll be looking forward for the Pulsar trail or SG5.
Didn't have the opportunity to run in the SG5, but havin' run in the 3, 4 and EVO, I was definitely looking for a shoe with the same cushioning for ultras and a better stability, and I have to say that the Ultra Glide is just that. The fact I could size down from 9.5 Hoka size to 9 in the UG helped even more with the locked in and stable feel. That being said, I know I will end up with a pair of Speedgoat 5 anyway, you know, just to try it 😅
I bought the Salomon Ultra Glides as needed some cushioned off road trainers. They are good, like full suspension bike plush ride vs speedy hardtail. I find they just absorb everything, whilst not being too heavy that they feel clumpy. I was able to run quickly offroad, or put in some nice long runs, generally, and ok on fairly technical trails. But, but , but, but !! The outsole has nearly worn out completely and I have only run about 250k in them! This is the very first time I have done this with a pair of any sort of running shoes, road or trail. I am a light weight runner (66kg), and am light on my feet. Also the cushion feels far less energetic, somewhat collapsed and the shoes are more sluggish as a result, I relegated them to slower runs already, but they will be retired very shortly to walking and street wear as the tread has almost worn smooth in large patches. After a great start indeed, I'm now looking for a replacement after only 250k. At the time I bought them I was considering the speedgoat or Evo Speedgoat. with a Vibram outsole, and Seth's great Midsole ride score, and high comfort score, after the Ultras wearing out so fast, I am seeing the contest between them going to the Speedgoats, just based on the great user reviews of them, Hokas rep is general and my Hoka Torrents Vibram outsole, which has no wear after many hundreds of k's offroad.
QD: I used to run Salomons, but the last two years I’ve been running in SG4 wides. They’re the first long run trail shoe that provide me with all-day comfort. Very excited the SG5 is getting great praise from the reviewers!
Love the Salomon SR4 and thought I’d love the Ultra Glide. BIG issue with the shoe was the toe overlay. If you feel on the inside of the toebox the rubber overlay where the BIG TOE sits is all rubber inside. Both of my big toes have taken major punishment to the point both toenails are gone. Design flaw!!
I have not owned a SG before, but I would buy the SpeedGoat 5 first. I like the more aggressive tread versus the UltraGlide's smoother lugs, which suits my type of trail running better. Also, Salomon shoes tend to fit narrow for my wide feet but Hoka seems to be doing better in that department as I can fit in a Mach 4 regular width with one size up. Thanks for the battle!
Hi Seth, thanks for all the review videos. What shoes would you recommend for a non-technical trail 100 miler? I'm considering Speedgoat 5 and Ultra Glide 2, would you consider any other shoes? Road shoes?
LOOOOOOVE this battle, thank you SO MUCH for doing it. VERY pertinent to me, as I tackle several 50k events this year. I already have the UG and ❤❤ it. I'm SUPER excited about the SG5 because you keep saying it's got a lot of EVO qualities, and I wanted that shoe so badly! I will DEFINITELY be buying (at least one pair of) the SG5 when it comes out... and really really look forward to pairing them together when training for my difficult trail 50k in August 🙌🏼
Hey, I had the comment of the day! This was a battle I was really looking forward to. I've kinda stepped away from the SG for a couple years still hanging onto a pair of SG2s that still have a lot of life left (my 3rd pair I think?). Both of these shoes are fantastic to take to 100 miles; but I was finding the energy return of the UG to be beneficial and less "sloggy" in those latter hours that the SG can feel. Still, looking forward to getting the SG5 someday.
@@UltraTrailSteven I agree with this completely , love my UG but would not consider anything gnarly after 200km as foam flattened waaaaaay to quickly and feel everything even small rocks , still love them but only for treadmill and super easy trails
Just taken my ultra glides through 50 miles and I’m delighted with them. Get buzz of excitement everytime I put them on and take to the trail. I’m sure the hokas are a great shoe but this video convinced that I’ve got the best shoe in the ultra glide. Great video Seth thanks. Ian 🇬🇧
I love my Ultra Glides, but last weekend I ran a very, very muddy trail in the south of the Netherlands. I must say, a different shoe is than a better option. It was very slippery and had problems with descends, while other people with other shoes didn’t seem to have an issue. How is the Speedgoat 5? Or any other option?
Hi Edwin, facing same issues in the south of Netherlands/Belgium. I own the UG, SG4 wide and SG EVO. Although Speedgoat (EVO) is little better then the UG's, I believe Salomon Speedcross is your goto shoe for Belgium Ardennes and Netherlands
Let's get ready to ruuummmbbbllleee!!! Well, I already have the Salomon Ultra Glide, so that is the bird in hand. I only do light trails. My 1st trail shoe was the Hoka Challenger ATR 6 which I like very much.
@@George-lz6ue Agreed. The ATR 6 was built as a trail/road hybrid. So many judge it for being a trail shoe that can't handle aggressive trails. That was not the purpose to begin with. Love my ATR 6's!
Thanks for this shoe battle Seth! Exciting times for ultra runners! I have my first ever ultra race this year in September (either 70k or 100k) and looks like I'll go with one of these shoes. Undecided yet. Waiting for them to pop up in the stores here so I can try them out.
Speedgoat 5. Based on my experiences with 3, 4 and people’s take on the 5, it sounds like it got better. To me the series has taken every season and accumulated so much mileage, while only slightly changing in feel throughout temperature changes from -25C to 40C and accumulated mileage.
soo thrilled to see the SG5! I'd love to get a pair of the Salomons but here in Eastern China Vibram still is the best outsole for trail running. So as much as I love the design of the Salomon UG I'd have to choose the SG5 for longer distances races here.
Hi, I have a pair of the Salomon S-Lab Ultra 3 which were amazing for the first 200 miles. After that the midsole lost all its cushioning and became unbearable to run in! I`m now a little hesitant to try another pair of Salomon shoes, almost $200 for a shoe that lasts 200 miles!?!?!?.....equates to almost 1$ per mile! Think this time I`ll give the Hoka a try.
I would try both on but trust the scoring system and buy the UG if both felt good. I’ve always wondered as a rural runner ( I run 60% rough gravel, 20% road, 20% dirt) if maybe I should try trail shoes to train in. My last 4 pairs of shoes have been mach 4s taken to about 400 miles. I think maybe I pay to much attention to foot placement to avoid bigger rocks.
Used two pairs of Speedgoat 3 and maybe it is just my feet, but they are my favorite shoes ever, also have a EVO Speedgoat for racing. I just bought Ultraglide and they are great. I believe most difference is in outsole and midsole - they might a bit better for commuting and harder surfaces, but they lack the softness for long long runs and they do not perform well in the muddy conditions.
@@gregprevite8548 I have UG and the stack height doesn't feel that high, feels so much closer to the ground in the forefoot, it has smooth ride but still haven't been able to feel or experience the "soft and bouncy" midsole that much for some reason, it has so much ground feel
I love the UGs and glad to hear it. I've also taken a couple pairs of SG2s over 500 miles and they hold up pretty well. Might be chewed up, but they don't fall apart like Challengers do.
Hmmm, mine were kind of flat and dead feeling after 100 miles, still lots of life and fresh looking apart from bruises in cushion, but boring run experience...
Maybe the stability is an item that you can add to the evaluation (more than just stability/neutral shoes). In this case the plateform of the Hoka seems to be a bit larger than the Ultra Glide so maybe a little bit more stable (and less precise). Sorry for my english, love from France!
I have about 100 miles on a pair of Ultra Glides, and am on my third pair of Speedgoats. If I had to choose one, I'd keep the Speedgoats. Which aren't perfect, and I hope the 5's fit me better. Because I love, love, love the fit of the Salomons, which is why I keep buying them (on my third pair of Sense Rides, too). But they're just not as cushioned, and the lugs are too small for steep, technical stuff. Plus, the Speedgoats are much more durable. I use them for backpacking, too, and they can handle anything I throw at them. The Ultra Glides couldn't handle all that as well.
Great battle. I´d buy UG, primarily for 2 reasons: 1) I´ve only run in Hoka roadies, but based on those shoes, I´d question Hoka durability over trails, and 2) I understand UG uses same midsole compound (pwrsurge?) as Pulsar, which is, in a word, amazing. I also have to give partial credit to UG for coming out as a new shoe, versus the Speedgoat, which is in its 5th iteration.
though i love salomon i'm eagerly wating for the SG5s. i've heard to many voices about the lackluster durabilty of the UGs midsole, also that the don't drain properly. and my next race is gonna be end of march which is typically bad weather and muddy trails over here in the easertn alps. if the SG5s don't hit the market before that ultra i'll go for the UGs anyways.
Was so close to buying the ultra glide but then heard it does the same thing as my speedcross 5's the inside sole slips forward like a wrinkled up sock in the wet if your running in mountains as boggy and wet as Ireland and england it's a big thing to think about so uncomfortable and in races don't have time to keep taking off your shoe fixing your sole
A tough battle no doubt, I would hesitate to choose but I think the Salomon would be the one to go first but also intrigued for the SG5 (I enjoyed very much the SG3). Hope the SG5 goes on schedule to be released to the public as the Ultraglide is being for a while more. Great fight!
Seth, I really wanted to love the Solomon Ultra Glide, but it was too narrow for my foot. Is the Hoka Speedgoat 5 wider? Is it comparable to the 4 in width?
i have the SG4 and 5, the SG5 is good comfort especially going downhill teh grip is good, however on the middle lower down part of the sole there is a little hollow spot and i always get poked with roots right there, i just wish they made that area even, i want to try the Salomon but am a die hard of the Saucony Peregrine and Exodus Ultra, those are so good, thanks for this review
I just miss the comment on the toe box. If the SG5 comes in a wide version just like the SG4, then there’s only one choice to make: SG5 for sure. For muddy trails I use the Salomon Widecross. I think it’s the only Salomon shoe that has a slightly wider toe box. Love the tight fit on the foot and the extra room for my toes.
For durability you had 350-400 for speed goat with a 7.5/10 and 400 for ultraglide with a 7/10. Idk if you calculated the scores with those numbers, if so maybe it’s a tad more by a 👃🏼
Overall like the ultra glide but huge disappointment in the outsole durability. I have less than 100 miles on them and the lugs have practically warm completely off. I have seen lots of reports of this online as well. That said, can’t wait for the Speedgoat 5.
SG5 for the win: Breathability of upper and available in wide. UG is nice but the toe box is not wide enough and the upper is hot down here in the south. Can't get the UG anyways until at least October 2022.
Bought the Ultra glide because of the good reviews, but I actually prefer the ride of the Kiger 7s due to the airbag. Ultra glides are quite firm, until they break in.
@@Dogwalkerdave On dry trails totally great and better than the 5/6. It struggles in wet conditions on smooth rock especially limestone. Although on granite I found no problems. Btw, can now also recommend the Arc'teryx Norvan LD 3. It's even nicer than the Ultra glide and Kiger.
I have thrown my Salomon Ultra Glide to the trash after 216km because the outsole was completely worn out. On the other hand, the Speedgoat's outsole is still OK after 400-500km on the same trails. So, comparing these shoes after just 54km is not correct.
Your advice about fast hiking and trail running simultameously through wet stones, canyons? From salomon which one? also I have not noticed any review of xa rogg gtx..
I have already the UG and I really like these shoes anf I am not a fan of Hokas ("too much shoe") I had a pair of SG3 and I did not becomme comfortable with. Okay I´m a Salomon fan, the fit is perfect for me. Having several different shoes the wearout of the outsole is not a problem for me, the most kilometres I do still with the Sense ride 4
I couldn't wait to use my speedgoat 5, did a short quick 5km run with them 2 days ago and i got blisters on the arch of both my feet. Im a neutral runner so I'm quite disappointed.
I’m so thrilled when I see shoe battles and having the shoe that won, Salomon UG’s. I’m not giving up on the SG5, surely looks like a shoe I will add to my rotation to use on my trail runs/hikes. Surely looks like a good Commuter Shoe as well.
Yoooo Seth I’ve never worn Salomon shoes. But I can say the speed goat 4’s have done every single thing I’ve ever asked it to do! From extremely rocky terrain in Santa Barbara, to a 6000 elevation 50k, and even a fast trail half marathon it just shows up no questions asked. I want the speed goat 5’s because those look like they will be able to race well. I have completely flat feet and my feet feel the difference of speed goats and no speed goats. Maybe I should buy another pair while I’m here talking 😂 If we buy on running warehouse does it help you?all these reviews makes it easy picking shoes.
Everyone keeps comparing speedgoat 5 to the EVO speedgoat. Let's see that battle. Have to reach deep in the archives for that EVO. Will be very interesting to see the similarities between the two with several years in between the two models.
I've been a big fan of Salomon shoes for years, but for some reason, ultra glide gave me a worth ever experience! I know it's such great shoes but they disappointed me! I'm going to sell it for 80 dollars and I only used it once for about 45 minutes. If you live in the Us and are interested in that shoe size 10 please let me know.
I’m really liking the feel of my Ultra Glide but still need to put them to a good test on trails. Also looking forward to hopefully trying the Speedgoat 5 once they’re out
:QOD: I'd prefer the Hoka Speedgoat due to the arthritis on the top of my right foot. I can barely tie my lases sometimes needing the extra room for my foot to not have the pressure on top of my foot
Got 1000km in my SG4 GTX and know i feel the midsole is some kind of done. So I dont think, that the SG5 is just around 600km. Main problem is...where can I buy a SG5 in march^^ :D
I would love to see you try out the Under Armour Hovr Machina Off Road trail running shoe. I've run 1.050km in my shoes now since mid september 2021 and have to say I just love them. Now it's time to replace them but don't know if there are better one's out there or if I'm going to buy a new pair 🤗 Thanks for fantastic reviews and videos.
I wish Salomon was more consistent with the sizing of their shoes. The UG ran long and narrow for me. Went true to size and had 1.5thumbs from toe-to-tip. Went down a full size and have half a thumb, but now they're too narrow! I want to wear them because everything feels great aside from the narrow toebox that causes my legs to become sore quickly. It's a shame..
QD: WAY more excited to try the SG5. I threw away my Ultra Glides after about 60 miles due to the insane drainage/quality control issues, which are essentially a dealbreaker to anyone that lives on the east coast of the United States, not to mention the laughable lace storage. Honestly kind of astounded that shoe made it through QA considering it's almost impossible to push past 12-15 miles in heat/humidity/water crossings. I'm glad some other reviewers are finally speaking out about it, I've been shocked by all the accolades that have been showered on it and I wonder if there was simply a lot of groupthink pressure being imparted to give it a good review. I'm 100% confident Salomon will get it figured out, but it's essential a proof-of-concept shoe so I didn't have super high hopes for it anyway.
Well spoken, the UG has a completely overbuilt upper for the intended use: more or less rolling terrain in average weather conditions...Not to speak about the flattening by 150km (I'm under 70kg), cushion still there, but shoe feels dead
UG great for to the first 200km then foam flats out shockingly and becomes only good for gentle trails. hoping the SP5 will last well like previous SG gens
It's interesting that you gave the midsole durability win to the Ultra Glide. Ginger Runner was disappointed in the Ultra Glide, saying that the midsole lost its cushion and bounce before 100 miles. I wanted to buy it, but not if he's right. Anyone take the Ultra Glide to 200+ miles and find it dead?
Both great trail running shoes. I would buy the one that's available. When both are, I would buy the Hoka, just because I'm in love with the hoka heel counter(flare).
I use to think that you should only have 1 pair of shoes and wear them out but I now see the need for different shoes for different runs and needs. Thanks for the great shoe battle! Love my UG’s and look forward t having a pair of the SG5’s. I know both shoes are gonna be great so I’m going to have them both. Great review!
H0ka 5 with the extra wiggle room tips it for me but both are Fine. I still have pairs of red and black SG1. They got my Goat and are very practical and efficient minus the hot stiff 4's.
QD: I would buy the Speedgoat 5, as this is the only one offering "wide" option. But I will wait for you to test the Altra Timp 4, who seems very interesting, even if I'm scared of the price of the shoe!
Love the UG shoe, but can't wear it for longer than a few miles as it blisters my toes instantly (pinkie and big toe) because of the tapered toebox. SAD. Looking forward to the SG5...hopefully that stretch-vamp works (I like the EVO Mafate 2 and it fits).
For the past eight months, I've been using your tips for running further and longer. In the past, 3.5 miles was my longest run. Wanting to run further and longer has taken me on a journey and commitment to see this through; not knowing if I would succeed or fail. Well today, at 60 years old, I just completed my first Half Marathon at a pace of 8:26. Was wearing the Endorphin 2 Shield- which I love! Thanks for the motivation and knowledge that has helped me run further and longer; without injury.
QD: as an owner of the ultra glide‘s and the Speedgoats, I would half to stick with the Speedgoat 5’s for two main reasons. Grip and stability. As far as grip goes the ultra glide‘s do just fine and rocky terrain and even wet rocks. But they do not do well once you switch over to soft packed dirt and other loose material. Also as a runner who is 6’5”, I feel very unstable in the ultra glide‘s on technical terrain but have never felt that in the speedgoats. I currently use the ultra glides for hard packed dirt and gravel fire roads and the Speedgoats for when it gets more technical.
QD: I tried both the speedgoat 4 and UltraGlide the last time I bought trails shoes. For me it just plain came down to how each fit my foot with the UltraGlide being better. Don’t accept a bad personal fit for your foot just because the score is high. Any weird fit issue will come back to haunt you deep into a run
Ultras are wider I assume?
@@carsonwong4144 maybe, but really it came down to the ultra’s fitting like a glove and the speedgoats having one tiny tiny spot that didn’t feel quite right on my foot. They’re so similar you can’t go wrong, for me it just came down to the final fit!
@Carson Wong The toe box on my UG is much more rounded vs the SG4 was too pointed and smashed my toes. I wouldn't call the UG a wide shoe at all, just fit my toes much better. Too bad because I wanted the speed goat 4 because of its Vibram megagrip and more aggressive lugs.
So far the ultra glides have offered me just as good of grip in real world use compared to my sense ride 4s, topo mtn racer2s, Salomon xultra3 low, altra lone peak 5s.
Yeah Hoka very straight in fit. Salomon more banana shaped. (Nike also fit like Salomon)
I have to recommend the Norvan LD3s, they fit even nicer than the Ultraglides and are more fun to run in.
I just took my Ultra Glides over 500 miles. Probably the best shoe for all terrain that I've ever wore. Lugs are worn of course but I am still wearing them for easy training long runs. I wore them all winter on the ice and snow packed roads here. Just enough grip and lots of cushion. Just a great shoe all around.
QD: I'm more excited to try the Speedgoat 5 over the Ultra glide, loved my Speedgoat 3's & this is the year for me to try the latest version 🏃👍
I've had three pair of the hoka speed goats and loved them. My 2nd pair has hundreds of miles with just a slight bit of tread wear. The first pair retired from running but still them for softball games! I'll stick with the hokas!
Speedgoat 5 vs. Evo Speedgoat, of course. Though I suppose that's more of a comparison than a shoe battle.
I don't believe it would change the outcome but the durability score was a bit off. Speedgoat 5 got 350-400mi for 7.5 while the UG got 400mi for 7. Is there something I'm missing?
Seth I wanted to do a shout out to you in regards to your shoe reviews and fantastic training tips
I started running again 6 months ago after a very long break and tonight broke the 2hr mark for the half marathon distance 1hr52mins so bloody happy and it is thanks to your inspiration.
I did it in my new Clifton8s which I just purchased to replace my first Clifton7s that started to tear at the material edge( I am still happy with them getting 400kms out of them and I was about 90kgs when I started)
I also picked up a pair of Endorphin Pro 2s at the same time which I am added to my rotation for speed days currently but want to get comfortable in them and race in them come race day.
Again Thankyou for all the tips and advice.
Next shoe will be a train shoe to add to mix up my training
Onwards and Upwards
I run in the Ultra Glide and Speedgoat 4. I love both but to me the Ultra Glide is a bit more special. Nice review. Now I feel no pressure to rush out and buy the SG 5. Thanks.
Absolutely perfect timing. I was looking at the hoka for a trail marathon. However now I need to check out Salomon. 230 lbs slower runner so cushion and time on feet matter. Thanks for a great review. 👍 I am going try both on at the store for a comparison
Great to see two amazing options. I currently have the UGs and have been so pleased. I just hope Salomon fixes the lace storage issue on the tongue in a future version, it's always temporarily annoying.
i found that the ultra glides were a perfect combination of the hoka speedgoats and the hoka torrent.
which is why I chose the ultra glides and they haven't disappointed!
i used my ultras to run the pikes peak marathon
QD: I'm a real fan of the Speedgoat line. So for me the Seedgoat 5 would win. It's a concentrate between the Evo and the 4. The next trail shoe battle could be the Inov 8 Terra G 300 vs the Seedgoat 5
Hate to nitpick but the durability scores seemed off. They both got the same prediction but the UG got a lower dcore.
Thanks for the video, it was a fun one!
QD: Of course I haven't tried the SG5 yet, but I did do a EVO vs UG battle in which I wore both shoes at the same time. They had quite similar feel but the EVO was just that little bit more comfortable. So I will go SG5 for sure. And my SG4's are at 600K right now and still going strong so I don't worry about the durability.
600K?
@@jeffhallman676 yes 600km and still going great
@@patrickvanderwal6324 That’s awesome!!
Ran in the EVO Speedgoat for a long time but did my last 100k in the Ultra Glide and will be wearing them at Black Canyon this weekend. I still think the Ultra Glide is more forgiving for slightly wider feet (crazy to say for Salomon) especially as your feet swell in the second half of a long race, but that rocker technology in the EVO Speedgoat was just incredible. I enjoyed both. Although, I'm hesitant to buy the Ultra Glide again as that lacing system is challenging to deal with and limits the security of the lockdown. Just my opinion. If an Ultra Glide 2 comes out for the summer racing season it would be interesting to re-test the Speedgoat 5 vs any improvements Salomon puts out.
My experience with the Ultraglide has been quite disappointing. While the fit and comfort are great, the amount of overlays make them a water puddle in humid conditions, any moist/water just stays inside which results in the insoles slipping around. I ran a 70km/3500m in them and had to remove the insoles after 2hrs… Also after 55/60k, the midsole caved. No more cushion whatsoever (seems to be an issue reported by others). So a move in the right direction and hopefully they’ll fix these things in the rev 2. In the meantime I’ll be looking forward for the Pulsar trail or SG5.
Didn't have the opportunity to run in the SG5, but havin' run in the 3, 4 and EVO, I was definitely looking for a shoe with the same cushioning for ultras and a better stability, and I have to say that the Ultra Glide is just that. The fact I could size down from 9.5 Hoka size to 9 in the UG helped even more with the locked in and stable feel. That being said, I know I will end up with a pair of Speedgoat 5 anyway, you know, just to try it 😅
The ultra glide is on sale for 97 right now...after seeing this review I'm gonna go down and try on a pair..thanks for sharing
This is really helpful. I got the Ultra glides for my first trail race and I was impressed with them.
I bought the Salomon Ultra Glides as needed some cushioned off road trainers. They are good, like full suspension bike plush ride vs speedy hardtail. I find they just absorb everything, whilst not being too heavy that they feel clumpy. I was able to run quickly offroad, or put in some nice long runs, generally, and ok on fairly technical trails. But, but , but, but !! The outsole has nearly worn out completely and I have only run about 250k in them! This is the very first time I have done this with a pair of any sort of running shoes, road or trail. I am a light weight runner (66kg), and am light on my feet. Also the cushion feels far less energetic, somewhat collapsed and the shoes are more sluggish as a result, I relegated them to slower runs already, but they will be retired very shortly to walking and street wear as the tread has almost worn smooth in large patches. After a great start indeed, I'm now looking for a replacement after only 250k. At the time I bought them I was considering the speedgoat or Evo Speedgoat. with a Vibram outsole, and Seth's great Midsole ride score, and high comfort score, after the Ultras wearing out so fast, I am seeing the contest between them going to the Speedgoats, just based on the great user reviews of them, Hokas rep is general and my Hoka Torrents Vibram outsole, which has no wear after many hundreds of k's offroad.
QD: I used to run Salomons, but the last two years I’ve been running in SG4 wides. They’re the first long run trail shoe that provide me with all-day comfort. Very excited the SG5 is getting great praise from the reviewers!
Love the Salomon SR4 and thought I’d love the Ultra Glide. BIG issue with the shoe was the toe overlay. If you feel on the inside of the toebox the rubber overlay where the BIG TOE sits is all rubber inside. Both of my big toes have taken major punishment to the point both toenails are gone.
Design flaw!!
Loving the SR4 at the moment, looking for more cushion with these two, looks like it'll be SG5 next...
Just got the Ultra Glide on a flash sale! They have been good on the snow so far.
I have not owned a SG before, but I would buy the SpeedGoat 5 first. I like the more aggressive tread versus the UltraGlide's smoother lugs, which suits my type of trail running better. Also, Salomon shoes tend to fit narrow for my wide feet but Hoka seems to be doing better in that department as I can fit in a Mach 4 regular width with one size up. Thanks for the battle!
This is what I’ve been hoping for 👍 thanks Seth
Hi Seth, thanks for all the review videos. What shoes would you recommend for a non-technical trail 100 miler? I'm considering Speedgoat 5 and Ultra Glide 2, would you consider any other shoes? Road shoes?
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LOOOOOOVE this battle, thank you SO MUCH for doing it. VERY pertinent to me, as I tackle several 50k events this year. I already have the UG and ❤❤ it. I'm SUPER excited about the SG5 because you keep saying it's got a lot of EVO qualities, and I wanted that shoe so badly! I will DEFINITELY be buying (at least one pair of) the SG5 when it comes out... and really really look forward to pairing them together when training for my difficult trail 50k in August 🙌🏼
Hey, I had the comment of the day! This was a battle I was really looking forward to. I've kinda stepped away from the SG for a couple years still hanging onto a pair of SG2s that still have a lot of life left (my 3rd pair I think?). Both of these shoes are fantastic to take to 100 miles; but I was finding the energy return of the UG to be beneficial and less "sloggy" in those latter hours that the SG can feel. Still, looking forward to getting the SG5 someday.
I’ve tested both the SG5 and UG and I agree the UG feels more stable underfoot. Both are great shoes, but I think the SG5 midsole will outlast the UG
How many more miles are you guessing the SG5 will go than the UG? Do hard things.
@@keithc1264 The UG midsole seems to “die” after about 140-150. Speedgoats have notoriously gone 400ish miles. I think the SG5 will go 400+
@@UltraTrailSteven I agree with this completely , love my UG but would not consider anything gnarly after 200km as foam flattened waaaaaay to quickly and feel everything even small rocks , still love them but only for treadmill and super easy trails
Just taken my ultra glides through 50 miles and I’m delighted with them. Get buzz of excitement everytime I put them on and take to the trail. I’m sure the hokas are a great shoe but this video convinced that I’ve got the best shoe in the ultra glide. Great video Seth thanks. Ian 🇬🇧
I wonder which one performs better on uneven rocky terrains? Which one is more stable?
I love my Ultra Glides, but last weekend I ran a very, very muddy trail in the south of the Netherlands. I must say, a different shoe is than a better option. It was very slippery and had problems with descends, while other people with other shoes didn’t seem to have an issue. How is the Speedgoat 5? Or any other option?
Hi Edwin, facing same issues in the south of Netherlands/Belgium. I own the UG, SG4 wide and SG EVO. Although Speedgoat (EVO) is little better then the UG's, I believe Salomon Speedcross is your goto shoe for Belgium Ardennes and Netherlands
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Let's get ready to ruuummmbbbllleee!!! Well, I already have the Salomon Ultra Glide, so that is the bird in hand. I only do light trails. My 1st trail shoe was the Hoka Challenger ATR 6 which I like very much.
Still running the Challenger ATR 6 which I think is an underrated awesome road to trail shoe. Keeping my Ultra Glides for winter in a few months.
@@George-lz6ue Agreed. The ATR 6 was built as a trail/road hybrid. So many judge it for being a trail shoe that can't handle aggressive trails. That was not the purpose to begin with. Love my ATR 6's!
Thanks for this shoe battle Seth! Exciting times for ultra runners! I have my first ever ultra race this year in September (either 70k or 100k) and looks like I'll go with one of these shoes. Undecided yet. Waiting for them to pop up in the stores here so I can try them out.
Very interesting. I just got the Ultra Glide. Happy days!
Speedgoat 5. Based on my experiences with 3, 4 and people’s take on the 5, it sounds like it got better. To me the series has taken every season and accumulated so much mileage, while only slightly changing in feel throughout temperature changes from -25C to 40C and accumulated mileage.
soo thrilled to see the SG5! I'd love to get a pair of the Salomons but here in Eastern China Vibram still is the best outsole for trail running. So as much as I love the design of the Salomon UG I'd have to choose the SG5 for longer distances races here.
Hi, I have a pair of the Salomon S-Lab Ultra 3 which were amazing for the first 200 miles. After that the midsole lost all its cushioning and became unbearable to run in! I`m now a little hesitant to try another pair of Salomon shoes, almost $200 for a shoe that lasts 200 miles!?!?!?.....equates to almost 1$ per mile! Think this time I`ll give the Hoka a try.
I would try both on but trust the scoring system and buy the UG if both felt good. I’ve always wondered as a rural runner ( I run 60% rough gravel, 20% road, 20% dirt) if maybe I should try trail shoes to train in. My last 4 pairs of shoes have been mach 4s taken to about 400 miles. I think maybe I pay to much attention to foot placement to avoid bigger rocks.
Used two pairs of Speedgoat 3 and maybe it is just my feet, but they are my favorite shoes ever, also have a EVO Speedgoat for racing. I just bought Ultraglide and they are great. I believe most difference is in outsole and midsole - they might a bit better for commuting and harder surfaces, but they lack the softness for long long runs and they do not perform well in the muddy conditions.
En tu opinión y la de tus suscriptores… cuál de estas dos zapatillas recomiendas para un CCC by UTMB?
My Ultra glides are way over 500 miles…and still feel great. I can heartily recommend them.
Awesome to hear them holding up at that mileage. Love the ug. I remember how surprised I was by the ground feel.
@@gregprevite8548 I have UG and the stack height doesn't feel that high, feels so much closer to the ground in the forefoot, it has smooth ride but still haven't been able to feel or experience the "soft and bouncy" midsole that much for some reason, it has so much ground feel
@@phagami61219 I agree. I get more of a ground feel sensation more so than bouncy.
I love the UGs and glad to hear it. I've also taken a couple pairs of SG2s over 500 miles and they hold up pretty well. Might be chewed up, but they don't fall apart like Challengers do.
Hmmm, mine were kind of flat and dead feeling after 100 miles, still lots of life and fresh looking apart from bruises in cushion, but boring run experience...
Maybe the stability is an item that you can add to the evaluation (more than just stability/neutral shoes).
In this case the plateform of the Hoka seems to be a bit larger than the Ultra Glide so maybe a little bit more stable (and less precise).
Sorry for my english, love from France!
I have both..for technical trails the vibram outsole on the SG 5 beats the Salomon hands down.
I have about 100 miles on a pair of Ultra Glides, and am on my third pair of Speedgoats. If I had to choose one, I'd keep the Speedgoats. Which aren't perfect, and I hope the 5's fit me better. Because I love, love, love the fit of the Salomons, which is why I keep buying them (on my third pair of Sense Rides, too). But they're just not as cushioned, and the lugs are too small for steep, technical stuff. Plus, the Speedgoats are much more durable. I use them for backpacking, too, and they can handle anything I throw at them. The Ultra Glides couldn't handle all that as well.
Great battle. I´d buy UG, primarily for 2 reasons: 1) I´ve only run in Hoka roadies, but based on those shoes, I´d question Hoka durability over trails, and 2) I understand UG uses same midsole compound (pwrsurge?) as Pulsar, which is, in a word, amazing. I also have to give partial credit to UG for coming out as a new shoe, versus the Speedgoat, which is in its 5th iteration.
though i love salomon i'm eagerly wating for the SG5s. i've heard to many voices about the lackluster durabilty of the UGs midsole, also that the don't drain properly. and my next race is gonna be end of march which is typically bad weather and muddy trails over here in the easertn alps. if the SG5s don't hit the market before that ultra i'll go for the UGs anyways.
Was so close to buying the ultra glide but then heard it does the same thing as my speedcross 5's the inside sole slips forward like a wrinkled up sock in the wet if your running in mountains as boggy and wet as Ireland and england it's a big thing to think about so uncomfortable and in races don't have time to keep taking off your shoe fixing your sole
A tough battle no doubt, I would hesitate to choose but I think the Salomon would be the one to go first but also intrigued for the SG5 (I enjoyed very much the SG3). Hope the SG5 goes on schedule to be released to the public as the Ultraglide is being for a while more. Great fight!
Seth, I really wanted to love the Solomon Ultra Glide, but it was too narrow for my foot. Is the Hoka Speedgoat 5 wider? Is it comparable to the 4 in width?
i have the SG4 and 5, the SG5 is good comfort especially going downhill teh grip is good, however on the middle lower down part of the sole there is a little hollow spot and i always get poked with roots right there, i just wish they made that area even, i want to try the Salomon but am a die hard of the Saucony Peregrine and Exodus Ultra, those are so good, thanks for this review
I just miss the comment on the toe box. If the SG5 comes in a wide version just like the SG4, then there’s only one choice to make: SG5 for sure. For muddy trails I use the Salomon Widecross. I think it’s the only Salomon shoe that has a slightly wider toe box. Love the tight fit on the foot and the extra room for my toes.
I almost tried an Ultraglide but was put off by the longevity reports. Seems like most feel it flattens out after 200 miles?
Thoughts on the Speedgoat’s heel flare? Wouldn’t that let rocks in?
For durability you had 350-400 for speed goat with a 7.5/10 and 400 for ultraglide with a 7/10. Idk if you calculated the scores with those numbers, if so maybe it’s a tad more by a 👃🏼
Overall like the ultra glide but huge disappointment in the outsole durability. I have less than 100 miles on them and the lugs have practically warm completely off. I have seen lots of reports of this online as well. That said, can’t wait for the Speedgoat 5.
Would the UG have been higher or the SG been lower given you gave them both the same max durability but the UG a lower score?
SG5 for the win: Breathability of upper and available in wide. UG is nice but the toe box is not wide enough and the upper is hot down here in the south. Can't get the UG anyways until at least October 2022.
I love my Ultra Glide. So a probably will buy another pair or two for my future runs.
Why durability 7.5 for Hoka for less miles than Salomon?
Bought the Ultra glide because of the good reviews, but I actually prefer the ride of the Kiger 7s due to the airbag.
Ultra glides are quite firm, until they break in.
How do you find the traction of the Terra Kiger’s? In my experience and with many on RUclips etc, the traction of Nike’s trail lineup is not the best.
@@Dogwalkerdave On dry trails totally great and better than the 5/6. It struggles in wet conditions on smooth rock especially limestone. Although on granite I found no problems.
Btw, can now also recommend the Arc'teryx Norvan LD 3. It's even nicer than the Ultra glide and Kiger.
I have thrown my Salomon Ultra Glide to the trash after 216km because the outsole was completely worn out. On the other hand, the Speedgoat's outsole is still OK after 400-500km on the same trails. So, comparing these shoes after just 54km is not correct.
Your advice about fast hiking and trail running simultameously through wet stones, canyons? From salomon which one? also I have not noticed any review of xa rogg gtx..
I see other outlets stating the sg5 will retail at 155. Which makes sense because all hokas prices went up
I have already the UG and I really like these shoes anf I am not a fan of Hokas ("too much shoe") I had a pair of SG3 and I did not becomme comfortable with. Okay I´m a Salomon fan, the fit is perfect for me. Having several different shoes the wearout of the outsole is not a problem for me, the most kilometres I do still with the Sense ride 4
I couldn't wait to use my speedgoat 5, did a short quick 5km run with them 2 days ago and i got blisters on the arch of both my feet. Im a neutral runner so I'm quite disappointed.
Speedgoat Durability: 350-400 miles, score 7.5
Ultra Glide Durability: 400 miles, yet score is only 7? Can someone explain?
Been waiting for this matchup...
Why not testing SG5 and the SLab ultra3. Both are high end shoes and same price range
I’m so thrilled when I see shoe battles and having the shoe that won, Salomon UG’s. I’m not giving up on the SG5, surely looks like a shoe I will add to my rotation to use on my trail runs/hikes. Surely looks like a good Commuter Shoe as well.
COMMENT OF THE DAY!!!
Yoooo Seth I’ve never worn Salomon shoes. But I can say the speed goat 4’s have done every single thing I’ve ever asked it to do! From extremely rocky terrain in Santa Barbara, to a 6000 elevation 50k, and even a fast trail half marathon it just shows up no questions asked. I want the speed goat 5’s because those look like they will be able to race well. I have completely flat feet and my feet feel the difference of speed goats and no speed goats. Maybe I should buy another pair while I’m here talking 😂
If we buy on running warehouse does it help you?all these reviews makes it easy picking shoes.
Everyone keeps comparing speedgoat 5 to the EVO speedgoat. Let's see that battle. Have to reach deep in the archives for that EVO. Will be very interesting to see the similarities between the two with several years in between the two models.
I've been a big fan of Salomon shoes for years, but for some reason, ultra glide gave me a worth ever experience! I know it's such great shoes but they disappointed me! I'm going to sell it for 80 dollars and I only used it once for about 45 minutes. If you live in the Us and are interested in that shoe size 10 please let me know.
I’m really liking the feel of my Ultra Glide but still need to put them to a good test on trails. Also looking forward to hopefully trying the Speedgoat 5 once they’re out
:QOD: I'd prefer the Hoka Speedgoat due to the arthritis on the top of my right foot. I can barely tie my lases sometimes needing the extra room for my foot to not have the pressure on top of my foot
Got 1000km in my SG4 GTX and know i feel the midsole is some kind of done. So I dont think, that the SG5 is just around 600km. Main problem is...where can I buy a SG5 in march^^ :D
I would love to see you try out the Under Armour Hovr Machina Off Road trail running shoe. I've run 1.050km in my shoes now since mid september 2021 and have to say I just love them. Now it's time to replace them but don't know if there are better one's out there or if I'm going to buy a new pair 🤗 Thanks for fantastic reviews and videos.
I wish Salomon was more consistent with the sizing of their shoes. The UG ran long and narrow for me. Went true to size and had 1.5thumbs from toe-to-tip. Went down a full size and have half a thumb, but now they're too narrow! I want to wear them because everything feels great aside from the narrow toebox that causes my legs to become sore quickly. It's a shame..
Hi. I do survival running, obstacle course racing. Can you do a advice video on that topic pleaasse? 🙏
I went for Speedgoat Evo :) just got my hands on a pair in my size...
QD: WAY more excited to try the SG5. I threw away my Ultra Glides after about 60 miles due to the insane drainage/quality control issues, which are essentially a dealbreaker to anyone that lives on the east coast of the United States, not to mention the laughable lace storage. Honestly kind of astounded that shoe made it through QA considering it's almost impossible to push past 12-15 miles in heat/humidity/water crossings. I'm glad some other reviewers are finally speaking out about it, I've been shocked by all the accolades that have been showered on it and I wonder if there was simply a lot of groupthink pressure being imparted to give it a good review. I'm 100% confident Salomon will get it figured out, but it's essential a proof-of-concept shoe so I didn't have super high hopes for it anyway.
Well spoken, the UG has a completely overbuilt upper for the intended use: more or less rolling terrain in average weather conditions...Not to speak about the flattening by 150km (I'm under 70kg), cushion still there, but shoe feels dead
Salomon will keep water in it due to the rubber rand plus I’ve had friends complaining that the Salomon midsole squashes down way to quickly.
UG great for to the first 200km then foam flats out shockingly and becomes only good for gentle trails. hoping the SP5 will last well like previous SG gens
It's interesting that you gave the midsole durability win to the Ultra Glide. Ginger Runner was disappointed in the Ultra Glide, saying that the midsole lost its cushion and bounce before 100 miles. I wanted to buy it, but not if he's right. Anyone take the Ultra Glide to 200+ miles and find it dead?
Yes, cushion looses it's pop, boring/dead ride by 150km for me, First 50km to break in, disappointment, at least for me (under 70kg)
@@Thefifaplayeryant Good to have that confirmed. It's a big no for me.
QD: I haven't tried any Salomon or Hoka trail shoes but from your review, I'm excited about the Salomon Ultra
Hoka tecton vs North face vective would be a nice trail carbon shoe battle.🔥🔥🔥
I’d like to know what how well water drains from them both? As I heard the ultra stays pretty wet!
Both great trail running shoes. I would buy the one that's available. When both are, I would buy the Hoka, just because I'm in love with the hoka heel counter(flare).
I use to think that you should only have 1 pair of shoes and wear them out but I now see the need for different shoes for different runs and needs. Thanks for the great shoe battle! Love my UG’s and look forward t having a pair of the SG5’s. I know both shoes are gonna be great so I’m going to have them both. Great review!
H0ka 5 with the extra wiggle room tips it for me but both are Fine. I still have pairs of red and black SG1. They got my Goat and are very practical and efficient minus the hot stiff 4's.
Brother did u have any used old shoe plz give my shoe got damaged I am unable to buy new one
Can't wait for EVO vs 5 battle? I almost dont want to run in my EVOs because they are so special
I use Salomon sense pro 4 for all trail running up to 50km and find it perfect for narrow feet
Great battle!! You may have to try the MNT Racer 2 from TOPO
Seth have you tried the ultra glide in rain and wet conditions? It`s like a sponge:-(
QD: I would buy the Speedgoat 5, as this is the only one offering "wide" option. But I will wait for you to test the Altra Timp 4, who seems very interesting, even if I'm scared of the price of the shoe!
What about grip or tread? I might have missed it.
Love the UG shoe, but can't wear it for longer than a few miles as it blisters my toes instantly (pinkie and big toe) because of the tapered toebox. SAD. Looking forward to the SG5...hopefully that stretch-vamp works (I like the EVO Mafate 2 and it fits).