Denmark’s Plans for a $2.4BN Island off Copenhagen
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Denmark is planning to construct a $2.4 billion island off the coast of Copenhagen, called Lynetteholm, which will protect the city from rising sea levels while also providing new land for developments. Copenhagen, the largest city and capital of Denmark, has a very low elevation. Because of this, it is at risk from rising sea levels. In the future, it is feared that storm surges could flood the capital’s city streets. To solve this problem, Denmark is building Lynetteholm, a reclaimed island that will have housing for 35,000 people and new infrastructure developments. Despite its benefits, the island has gained opposition from protesters who fear its environmental repercussions and its impact on the residents of Copenhagen. Nevertheless, the project is advancing. On June 4th 2021, the Danish parliament approved the project. In the coming years, it is expected to rise from the harbor, serving as a grand new expansion of Copenhagen.
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Let's be honest. this will not solve the housing market in Copenhagen whatsoever
On the contrary it might make it quite a bit worse. Imagine if the money was put into the S-train system instead. How many more people could work comfortably in Copenhagen while living in more affordable areas??
@@nicholaswoollhead6830 well the government has also just now decided to expand the s-train system to Roskilde in a new infrastructure plan. And yes that seems like a plan. Making it more attractive to stay outside the capital would calm down the market quite a bit. But interest rates are still just way too low and thats the worst problem. It is way too easy to lend money in Denmark which explains our huge household debt which lies in the housing market:)
i then hope they will improve the regularity of the trains , but i wont find out since i skipped to bike and dont have to be stranded on a station since they just altered something !
I think all the housing on Lynetteholm will be expensive AF, and will just make the housing market worse off
@@mikkelhansen3714 I wonder when this house prices growth is going to stop
It’s absolutely greenwashed, but I wouldn’t say it’s a bad idea either. The city is desperate for land
Really? I am suprised. I thought Denmark was a low population density country. It’s super green right.
It is not, it will only prevent floods in 1 part of the city, will be expensive, will harm the enviroment, will harm the make citizins life worse because of trafic, will destroy the landscape and vew of the citizins, no one wants it
@@Churros1616 High density country, And 23% live in the capital
@@Churros1616 Almost 50% live in the Greater Copenhagen metropolitan area
@@Churros1616 im not a civil engineer so I can't comment on the technical issues, but Denmark has a lot of free land apart of capital region, it's like miles and miles with no people and constructions
I love how you try to pronounce the Danish words or companies :p
@jaep struiksma Haha xD
I am Danish so yes
I was just thinking! Refshaleøen isn't an easy one, but well pronounced here.
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@@DiamondDog12 Danish words may be hard to be pronounce but they're beautiful
Yeah he did a genuinely good job. "Nordhavn" really struck me as surprisingly on point
Ill be honest, they could of just called in the dutch government to sort out this rising water crisis
LOL
A lot of countries have rising water problems today
@@AlxzAlecis this a joke reply. I refuse to believe that someone can give such a stupid reply.
I know right
why?
Unnecessary to expand into the sea. Just annex Skåne. Skåne tillhör Danmark.
yeah.. dont be an idiot on purpose. Only in neoSoviet sphere is there ANY chance of border changes (see the evil nefarious aggression on Ukraine and the theft of Crimea). Skane situation is permanent now.. so quit whining about it.
@@ZakhadWOW
How come you avoided or "comfortable" forgott China ?
@@ZakhadWOW While the annexation of Crimea is controversial and possibly illegal, it was the will of the people there to unite with Russia. Crimea has been majority Russian for at least a hundred years, and it was the will of the people in Crimea to join Russia, as proven by the referendum that was held. While the 96% result is questionable, a fully democratic referendum would still have had the same outcome, albeit with a more realistic result, also reflecting the opinions of the Crimean Tatars.
@@ZakhadWOW Also, the Crimea situation is permanent now, so quit whining about it.
@@ZakhadWOW I hate to break it to you Shawn but the person who made the comment was probably Swedish, making a quite typical Swedish geographic/cultural joke that the Skåne region is actually Danish. "Skåne tillhör Danmark" means "Skåne belongs to Denmark" in Swedish. A dane would've used "tilhører".
The source of the joke is the often continental habits in Skåne and the funny-sounding dialect. It's the only place in Sweden where i've ever seen a waiter at a café, they have half-timbered houses, they have throaty Rs like in Denmark instead of tongue-tip Rs like the rest of Sweden. Skåne is where Scandinavia begins and Europe truly ends.
These videos (along with your voice) are satisfying to me for an unknown reason
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@@oceso are you heterosexual?
@@letheas6175 are you apegender
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I was with it until you mentioned an eastern ring road. It makes sense that it would increase car usage in that case. Scrap the ring road, improve the architecture, make it an almost car free neighbourhood and the base concept seems sound.
Sound? No, it is not healthy. Whatever wealth it make create locally is stolen as destruction of the rest of the city. And if you compare the local gains and the overall losses, there is a huge net loss and increased slum creation. It is the speculation buildings of 1870-1900 all over again, only worse.
yes, keep out working class
As a Dane, I say we ask the Dutch if this is a good idea. If we get the green light from those marsh dwellers, I say go for it :D
I think it's good for indre by but I would never live on that island, it's going to be another cheap abuse like ørestad.
@@LucaBersano Nah, it's gonna be the opposite, it's gonna be super expensive luxury apartments and solve basically nothing when it comes to housing since all it will do is make the rich people move to a place with a nicer view of the ocean.
@@six2make4 it's not an ocean, plus I don't like the cold wind so enjoy guys.
@@LucaBersano did we ask?
@@LucaBersano it’s a straight apart of a larger ocean. So it is a Ocean
Solve the housing problem? It's gonna be high cost housing, like Nord and Sydhavn
No the house is cheap
yeah
As a dane, I firmly believe, that even with great planning and resources, our government will still somehow fuck this up.
By voting the project trough, during the height of the pandemic, they already did
I get how the island would protect Copenhagen from surges of water during storms... But how is an island (or peninsula) going to in any way mitigate a general rise in sea level?
They can close off the sea entirely much easier in the future when it is needed
It's not, it's just the Danish government that is corrupt and only out for money...
Is maket so the warter can’t do destroying on the iland
@@vanishawayDenmark is the 1 on the list of minimum corruption
Rising water will find its way around anything. They are not raising Copenhagen. This project is only a money grab to sale more land
If this was meant to protect the city from rising water then why there is no canal or lock to hold back the water. The sole purpose of this project is to make money. They spent more effort on planning new metro lines and highway connections then actually plan for the environment.
Why is that bad?
@@LarsRyeJeppesen The project is not bad if you only consider the economic reasons. Protect from storm surges yes, but not from rising sea water. Around 2% of the population of Copenhagen lives below an elevation of 1 m. Sea levels have already been raised by 21-24 centimeters since 1880. I am tired of rich greedy company's greenwashing projects to get them funded.
You have understood it 😊
It will bring prices up. Building away from big metropolitan areas is the solution , work from home and build in smaller cities. Pressure on demand needs to be spread out.
I don't believe the rise of Lynetteholm will decrease pricing of current homes in CPH. As we see with newer construction during the past 10 years, pricing is sky high compared to the majority of the country with freshly build homes. Eg. a 900-1100 sq ft, 3 room apartment which is build within 5 years costs 800K-1,2 mil USD. Compared that to a price of 500-700K USD just 20-30 miles away from Nyhavn or alike, brand spanking new, same sizing, good location and everything.
If we look further away on the Isle of Sealand, you can find homes at twice the size easily puchased for 500K USD or less.
Expand the view even further and a 1000 sq ft, 3 room+, 3 year old home is available for 250K USD or less.
Its about reducing the speed of rising house prices - not reducing them from current levels. Even with this Island built Government expects housing prices to continue going up 4-5% per year in the long term. Also, it does not matter what the price of new buildings are - the spread of home ownership is far too low in Copenhagen with 80% rentals and semi rentals. So every new owned apartment added gets sucked up at once by the huge demand for ownership. This however also means if someone buys an expensive apartment there is space for someone else to buy another apartment cheaper elsewhere, because competition for owning that apartment will be less and will also involve people with relatively less money. Finally the price difference is due to the difference in land prices in Copenhagen and outside of the city - not extra building costs.
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"Finished til 2070" LOL!
2.4 billion USD? That is dirt cheap - sorry for the pun. That must be a low ball price meant to get it approved. I bet over the coming years that price triples or more.
As per tradition
That is usually how it goes :)
@Donsk Heritage Dept isn't the only story. You need to take a look at Japan's dept. Also Denmark is one of the top 10 of the most developed nations on earth.
It's not correct as stated in the video that By&Havn have dismissed all parts of the projects - and this is because By&Havn have said that they CAN'T do the estimates because it's not yet known what will be build on Lynetteholm!
And this is the very problem, because according to EU law it's not legal to cut a project up into tiny pieces and evaluate them individually, the project HAS to be evaluated as whole....
No doubt this will go to court....
Pardon my ignorance but how does this safeguard against rising seas or storm surges if there is still a huge channel to the sea?
As a Dane living in Copenhagen, I'm also baffled by the flooding narrative of this video. Maybe best just to conclude, that you should not trust everything on RUclips...
Climate change and rising sea level is just garbage. Besides, politicians never think logic. It costs 28.000.000.000 USD, so everyone understands how "important" the politicians, who decided this stupidity, supposedly are.
@@raahauge jeg tror, som københavnere, at vi kun skal bekymre os om langsomt stigende vande (ligesom i Holland). Store bølger har aldrig været et problem😅
@@svennielsen633 Climate change and rising sea level is not garbage😂 just look at the Netherlands and tell me we're not going to end up under water if we do nothing about those 7 meters above sea
@@sylkjr1287 Ja, der er allerede diger ude på Amager, og de skal vel bare gøres ca 1 meter højere, så er vi klar til de næste ca 100 år. Bølger i Øresund? wtf
I don't think it's a good idea. It should come as no surprise that glass luxury condos won't solve anything.
Agree, like if housing for 38.000 people built during the next 50 years was going to solve the housing problem in Copenhagen.
@@txumbergas mosty likely its just a matter of making money off real estate
It can save the cite from flod
IS FUCINK NOMAL HOUSES
@@jonasfelkster2220 Calm down. Housing is super expensive in Copenhagen by default. So the new houses will be even more expensive because they will be built with modern standards. And this project will not stop in any way the flooding situation
I love these reclaimed land building projects and what it means to the changing 🌎
This really does sound like a catastrophic waste of money.
why?
Because it will be submerged by 2100.
lmao you havent seen how in québec they want to build only a highway for 22k ppl that will cost more than twice this
Well, it's better than to spend it on the other pointless sh*t the government like to do.
Yeah your’e totally right this is tackling housing, climate change and land rarity in one city all at once and at a fourth of what most cities would spend for a bridge!@@FrederikWLC
This is surely greenwashed, but that shouldn't discourage the building of the peninsula. They are actively investing into their future, even when it is 50 years from now, that's good!
It is not, it will only prevent floods in 1 part of the city, will be expensive, will harm the enviroment, will harm the make citizins life worse because of trafic, will destroy the landscape and vew of the citizins, no one wants it
@@joaquimbarbosa896 didn’t you paste that in another comment-
@@joaquimbarbosa896 my point wasn't talking about floods, but purely about the expansion itself. Floods may still be an issue, but narrowing the canal is of course a good thing to fight them off.
Its expensive: sure, thats the point, the city is spending money on local companies, I don't know how that is bad
Harm the environment: yes, it will destroy some local fauna in the sea and during construction, but have you worked with danish regulations before? They are really strict and will make sure everything goes according to plan.
More traffic: yes, but not more traffic that there is currently already. If you look at Nordhavn there are disposal sites since years to reclaim land, these trucks bring soil from different places, but also just from constructions inside the city (eg the soil from the metro expansion to sydhavn is brought to Nordhavn)
And lastly, a city is never finished, the same applies to Copenhagen. Investing and building is changing a city, of course but standing still will destroy the economy even more over the years
@@starminecraft1 more traffic will come from the project. Both by pinning the 350 trucks (out and back again, 700 total) to a single destination, only reachable by going through the city. It will last for at least 30 years! Many neighbors will not see the truck caravan end before they die.
Then when the project is completed and residents are moving in, the city will house 150.000 people and workplaces on the "wrong" side of Copenhagen, far away from main infrastructure. This will put and unprecedented pressure on the roads.
It is expensive yes. Because the project has been sliced up - this is against EU environmental laws - the total cannot be evaluated. The company By&Havn, already have debt of 17 billion DKK (2.3 billion Euros). The state do not want to support Copenhagen, and the debt will have to be handle by the city alone. Estimates shows the budget is missing 30-40 billion DKK before it's balanced. The housing will be super expansive because of high land costs to cover the missing income.
The price tag and the environmental damages marks Lynetteholm as a failed idea. Regular flood protection is a lot cheaper and can be made much less damaging to the environment.
@@starminecraft1 The extension is planned to precejt floods. If it won't prevent floods than whats the point
I didn't say it had any problem to let private companies. The problem is, they want more space to make Houses cheaper, but with expensive space the Houses built there will only be more expensive.
As I said before it will cause a LOT more trafic. You replied to this saying it already has trafic. Yes, does that change anything? To worse! If they already have a lot of trafic, causing even more certainly is not a solution
It will destroy the landscape. Imagine you paid a lot to have an apartment where you can see the sea. Now you won't be able to have the same vew, thanks to this
Also the project doesn't have people's aproval
Love your vids. Greetings from Serbia :)
I like that you are talking about denmark, but u used norwegian currency in 3:12
hahahaha was thinking the same
Did u people ask what Sweden thinks of this ? They provide the wisdom and moral compass your country doesn’t have. So stop being stubborn and ask them for advise and direction! Those are my American thoughts.
@@Mynipplesmychoice What are you talking about?
@@Mynipplesmychoice What in the world are you talking about? Im literally Norwegian....
@@MarcusAlexanderBS swedesish people will advise u on the right thing to do. Just leave the decision of the project up to them. Stop over thinking it.
I hope someone in Denmark's government sees this: If you build buildings use classic Danish architecture NOT modern architecture to make it more attractive. Otherwise it will look like bland Berlin.
yes exactly, all this 'MoRdErN' architecture is already ruining Copenhagen. Since I was born till now, it's just been ruined more and more
F that. You need skyscrapers like hong kong. Cant be building these tiny homes in a modern civilization.
@@TheBooban eww no. It is exactly in a modern country we don’t build those
@@TheBooban London is the financial capital of the world, yet has only ~30 skyscrapers over 150m, they aren't needed
@@sweeky1 I remember the pissing lanes and the all forgotten shitty buildings in copenhagen. I cannot say i miss them.
"but lunette is in French, how do you say 'moonlight' in Danish?"
Eurovision fans: 😎
Måneskin 😀
@@0801johann moonshine sounds better :-)
@@0801johann eller månelys
@@2665naruto månelys? No
Måneskin
Why are the building designs for these new projects always the exact same. Architects are very narrow-minded
becasue there's not a lot of wiggle room for trying to get these done without ridiculous frippery and extraneous additions/features?
Because brutalism was about building something that hasn’t been built before and this modernist architecture that we have now isn’t about building something that one hasn’t seen but it’s about building cheaply but it looks expensive thus everything looks the same.
Because it's alot cheaper to build everything from prefabricated pieces and making everything a square. There's only so many types of facades and materials you can really use when you're also trying to make everything modular and cheap.
It is easier to present an old idea as new than to get an original idea based on creativity or enhancements of the past.
@@Fractal227 What would you do?
In Sweden this would take 300 years to build
It'll be the same here, and its gonna cost 5x as much as the government claims it will.
I found your channel few days ago , and i watched so many videos they're so cool and i dont know why but its satisfying
Very good editing! Well done on this video. Keep up the great work.
The Danish government has a habbit of proclaiming they want to solve housing issues, and then building luxury housing areas for only the upper class. I have absolutely no faith this will be any different.
By the way, have you considered making a video on the proposed Danish Energy Island?
More info on it here: ens.dk/en/our-responsibilities/wind-power/energy-islands/denmarks-energy-islands
So true and most people don't want Island, we are alot of people here is denmark that is against it big time
They are solving the housing issue, by telling poor people to get lost.
Won't housing prices in the old areas of the city fall if all the rich folk were to move to the new peninsula?
@@Maxime_K-G nope ,they have build new homes in new areas before where there in the past was no homes , the prices did not fall ,they kept going up and they still do
@@somebonehead yep
so I'm from Denmark and I did not actually know that, so good job
Yep det gjorde jeg heller ikke
Hvad er det Der er problemet det alle dem der ikke er frå damnark syndes det er en dum ide men dansker syndes det er godt
@@jonasfelkster2220 Det er nu ikke den opfattelse jeg får fra kommentarerne.
They cant find money for railways in the rest of Denmark, but they can build peninsula in Copenhagen. This is how centralism is presented in Denmark. Is the worst idea. There are many better ways to use this money.
We built artificial islands AND railways. Centraal Station of Amsterdam (our capital) is build on such an artificial island in front of the old harbor. Some 150 years ago... Simply to get the railways to the city without destroying the city itself.
All, island, railway, and station, have brought hundreds times the investment back in efficiency and tourism.
I am not in the position to judge about Denmark, but good investments do not cost money, they bring in money.
All our investments in the river dikes were paid back in 1993 and 1995 because the rivers flooded hardly any area, if they had, the damage would be many billions of euro's.
Since than we voluntary gave up some land to the rivers to make sure they flow better and if they flood, they flood agricultural areas that are prepared for those floods, nor people nor animals will suffer.
@@dutchman7623 I agree. Denmark got a lot of farm land in flood risk zones, and a huge problem with soil erosion, in these areas we could do some real good, and get the money back on produce. This peninsular wont stop the problem of storm floods, for that we need a barrier like the Dutch north sea wall.
Of course there are. But what this is about is providing everyone who can with an opportunity to live on a new piece of land which you then produce.
Yeah but because 85% of infrastruckture budget is spend in the capital they get a Nice metro All the things thats Nice to have but not needed while the rest of country has Lost train stops bus stops All over the country wich has Meant there been elderly People that couldnt go do grossery shopping because they removed the bus routes All of Denmark doesnt look like copenhagen its small cities wich cant do without the train and bus they removed
the issue is that the project combines a lot of functions, therefor is a capture for a wide variety of interests
Interesting video ! But found it quite funny at 3:10 when talking about the estimated construction costs in danish kroner that the images are of Norwegian kroner bills
I find it more interesting that estimated construction cost is 2.5 billion USD 😂😂
3:11 That's the Norwegian krone, you can even see it says "Norges Bank" on them
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That's a little disappointing :(
Bitte, scnell thats even the old norwegian banknotes
FIFTY YEARS to finish this???? 😳😳😳😳 I mean it's a big project but not THAT big.
There is also an ongoing project aiming to create an Öresund Metro - linking Copenhagen and Malmö. Off-loading some of the increasing traffic from the Öresund Bridge,
Would be interesting to hear about that.
It would be important to note the economy of the metro. Including all benefits to society the benefit/cost is about 0,83.
It is not worth it. Sweden can not even guarantee safe passage over the bridge to the ferry to Bornholm
Danes do not want to go to Sweden. It is considered a ghetto. Öresund train is almost entirely Swedes going to Denmark and immigrants going to Sweden.
@@TheBooban
The Oresund bridge was built, but building bridges between people was neglected. We have to build bridges and connect with the Swedes, because for now it is more the cultural link that is missing than the physical.
@@Jakob_DK sorry, ive been on that train regularly and what I said is true. Cultural link? Half the country isn’t Swedish anymore. Go on a bus. You just hear somali and arabic.
@@TheBooban
I was trying to be polite :-)
Well done on the Danish pronunciation.
As a copenhagener i really hope they wont make the buildings tall and futuristic. Would ruin the city’s beautiful view
You just know they'll be some modernist glass monstrocities. "International architecture"
@@ThorsteinnMemeson Our politicians from both the right and left dont have any respect for our opinion about the futuristic glass monstrosities they are building everywhere.
@@ThorsteinnMemeson A vulcano ?
Just declare war on UK and hope for another Copenhagen bombing 1807. Problem solved.
But it would help with the housing problem, and the city would look modern and futuristic. Sometimes we must let go of the old and embrace the new.
Complaints about the added truck traffic are simply ludicrous. Not one - not a single - extra lorry will go through Copenhagen due to the project as all the dirt for the island is coming from already planned building projects inside the city that needs to be moved away. So either it has to go the long way out to the suburbs- where people probably will resent having the trucks go by and also needing longer transportation- or it gets dumped inside the city itself. Also just as much earth is currently being driven around Copenhagen every day. Just ending up in Nordhavnen as land fill. So no extra trucks, no extra dirt, just another route through the city.
No one talks about the short term consequences, we talk about the long term consequences when the artificial island is finished and filled up with buildings that no one really needs. But we can always import another 200.000 refugees to fill up the empty room - and watch new slum being created in Copenhagen.
Short sighted building speculation created Vesterbro, Nørrebro and Sorte Firkant. It has not changed in the 21st Century.
I like the usage of the norwegian krone on the cost estimation animation instead of the Danish kr
danish are going to make the norwegian to pay for the wa... island. apparently they were watching foreign tv and got the idea from some show or something
Wow this was really informative and nicely made, thank you. I subscribed
The "Øresund" Sound? The English name for that is just "The Sound". :D Which is a pretty awesome name.
"Øresund sound" = "ear sound sound"
@Morfidus Mor No, but english speakers have a tendency to append foreign words making doubles in the names, like saying "øresund sound" is saying "ear sound sound", similarly the often will say things like "The Righshospitalet" which is literally saying "The the rigshospital", you can find this in many wikipedia articles as well.
@@vrenak In this context ør means gravel and not ear.
@@lejlej You're focusing on the totally wrong part here.
Island? Looks more like a peninsula. Island must have water all around it.
Can you do a video for Spanish project "Madrid nuevo norte".
Great idea, thanks!
Sound good plan for a development and good country
Wait I don't get it. Who exactly is it finishing for By 2070?
Great video btw
our kids and their kids. It's good to invest in the future. And there will still be houses on it before 2070, it's just the date when everything will be finished
@muhahaha that video is about the 2008 crisis😂
@@noxiteprova8878 In other countries projects multiple size of this are finished within less than a decade.
Awesome video
This reminds me of the Kansai airport, but in bigger scale
They aren't evicting farmers for this.
"Making living cost cheaper"
Bruh, the way to decrease living cost for Danes is to maybe try to lower the 25+% tax that's on everything, with extra taxes on meat, sugar, and even vegetables and cigarettes, of course.
Actually the 25% tax is a very good thing for us, it benefits our day to day life, which gives us free healthcare and free education, many countries cant have that.
@@mathiasp7233 Then why do we need the 39-56+8% income tax?
I dont really understand how this is supposed to solve rising sealevels
The iland is maket so water cant destroyed the iland
Yeah same, it's just more land to lose to the sea, a seawall is a 1000x better soloution, because it you know, keeps out the sea
by building houses above sea level
not a word about the fact Stevns Klint, a UNESCO world heritage site, will be affected by this with the 2.5 million cubic meters of seabed, of which 200,000 are stated to be slightly polluted. that will be dumped in the water right of the Klint
As a danish citizen I think it is a great idea
I don’t understand that people are against it, will provide cover for the rising sea levels and it will help for the housing problem
It will not on it's own protect from rising sea levels. There is still need for A LOT more protection to be build. Now we are using all of the resources like soil, sand, etc on Lynetteholm for the next 30+ years, we have to hope the sea levels to not rise, as the water will be flowing around the pretty little island.
The housing problem is mostly because of the wrong property is being built. The latest area being developed Nordhavn, also constructed by By&Havn, is charging record high prices, to pay off infrastructure projects. The same will be true for Lynetteholm. Nordhavn is reasonably close to existing infrastructure, but Lynetteholm is not, and will require huge investments by the city to make it work. Not only directly for Lynetteholm, but also in other parts of the city when the traffic flow will shift, because of the 150.000 new people and workplaces being build on the "wrong" side of the city.
The projects environmental assessment is being done only on the landfill and not the entire project with required infrastructure. Also the rest of the required flood protection has not been planned, and also not assessed in it's whole. Therefore Copenhagen will be very likely to harm the environment much more that could have been needed. The clean water in the inner harbor is also at risk because of this. Before the harbor area can be completed, a dokport in the North has to be installed, and protections in the south as well. No one knows the impact on water conditions in the harbor from these projects, resulting in great risk for the harbor to become too polluted for a nice swim, as can be enjoyed today.
You have a Danish name, so please check out the Danish group STOP Lynetteholm on Facebook for more info: facebook.com/groups/stoplynetteholm
Everytime something new is being built in Denmark there are always people that protest against it.
@@noxiteprova8878 probably not only in Denmark tho
@@sebbeselvig3931 This video claims land reclamation in 13 years. Not 30+ or 35 years as you claim here and in other comments on this video. If you misstate that point, why should we listen to your verbose objections?
@@TK0_23_ who says the video have the facts right? ;)
Anyway, By & Havn hope to have come far enough to sell the first land in 2035, but that does not mean the island has been completed. If enough soil is excavated as during the historic development boom of 2013-2018 which is used as the basis for their estimations, it will take approx 30 years to get 80 million tons of dirt to put into the ocean. If the development boom does not continue, it will of course last longer to fill the island.
I am danish, and I think its a good idea.
Sounds like a great project! The government isn't paying for it and the city will get a beautiful new district with lots of seaside parks and beaches. I'm jealous my city doesn't do things like this. All of the drawbacks seemed pretty negligible to me.
- Archaeology is not a good reason to not do something, we wouldn't be able to do anything anymore. Unless Atlantis is located there I don't think it could be worth more than a project like this. Otherwise, everybody would be scuba-diving and collecting lost treasures there right?
- The same goes for building it, that's just the world we live in, as long as they pay their fair share through road taxes and such you can't really blame them. The environmental stuff isn't even worth addressing in my opinion. One relatively small project isn't going to push an entire ecosystem overboard. Half of the Netherlands consists of reclaimed land, shouldn't they be in serious trouble by now if that were the case?
- Wealthy people will indeed be the initial buyers, but isn't it a good thing that rich people foot the bill instead of taxpayers? As long as investing into luxury housing is discouraged, prices will just be like any other part of the city over a few decades (or maybe a bit more because it's located close to the beach). More housing will just mean more places for people to live and more competition on the housing market which should be a good thing if you're in favour of lower prices
I'll try and give a response to your points
1) Archaeology is incredibly important especially to a nations cultural identity, there is so much to be learnt from primary sources that you just can't learn any other way. The problem is that quite often with submerged sites is it's infeasible to move the artefacts out of their location, particularly the larger ones like boats. Another problem is that removing them from the sediment is damaging, not just from the movement but also the atmosphere is toxic to something so old. Oxygen starts degrading them rapidly once they are removed from the oxygen poor sediment.
2) the Dutch actually do have a problem with their local ecosystem particularly within the Markermeer and IJsselmeer where the largest land reclaimations have occurred. Water quality decreased, fish stocks decreased and bird nesting grounds and feeding grounds were disrupted if not destroyed to make way for farms and houses. The Dutch are now trying to undo some of that damage with a new set of islands designed specially for wildlife on a small scale. So land reclamation is not without its damage.
3) finally the problem with wealthier residents and investors getting first choice on housing isn't just about housing affordability it's also about equity, the wealthy tend not to be in dire need of housing. But the poorest and most vulnerable unsurprisingly are in the greatest need. To announce a new project set to provide a huge amount of housing and for it to be largely designated for the wealthy isn't just and must feel like an utter betrayal to those who rely most of the government to provide assistance for them.
@@kieranmorris7315 Here's my rebuttal:
1) I agree that archaeology, history museums and preservation make for great leisure and are important cornerstones of our modern society, however, we shouldn't let remnants from the past dictate everything in our lives today. I find this a little hard to explain but we are an "ancient civilisation" of our own, in a way. We shouldn't be afraid to also make new things and explore the unknown. (side note: Caring so much for a little patch of sea is taking NIMBYism a little too far. There are way more sunken ships and other archaeological artefacts in the sea than you probably realise.)
2) I am pretty sure the Dutch don't have large ecological problems, even with the seemingly unreal land reclamation that has gone on there. The Markermeer and IJsselmeer don't have a lot of similarities to the project in Copenhagen as they were the result of two huge dykes separating a body of water, not a small reclamation project. Even then you seem to admit that through a little bit of innovation and extra work, problems can be addressed.
3) Halting the expansion of a city is probably the weirdest and most backward idea to create an ample supply of low-cost housing that I've heard of in recent times. If food were scarce, you wouldn't strangle the supply either right? Shaping the housing market through clever policies, such as increased taxes on second homes or giving first-time buyers tax breaks is a way more sustainable way of addressing price increases. The people should vote for a government that makes it less lucrative to invest in properties in the city.
*Facepalm* you clearly have no idea how the environment works. Surely, mister Maxime K-G on youtube knows it better than environmental scientists???
You should reach 1M subs for your explanation very soon👏👏👏
Yeah and if they build inwards people will also complain and moan about animal life and freaking birds.
I love animals, but humans is the dominant form of life on the planet and our needs come first.
I think the project looks amazing and a worthwhile addition to CHP city
What kinda idiotic argument is that? The climate of the planet doesn't give a shit which species you think is dominant, if we destroy it the entire basis for our own existence will disappear and humans will go extinct. I doubt your descendants living on a ruined planet would care about your excuse that humans are dominant.
I am from denmark, god video du har lavet/nice video you have made
But the water can still get to the city, so what is this island protecting?
It's like the Netherlands. YES we are protected against the sea./
But our actual problem now is the inland rivers that flow into the sea.
Yes exactly! This project wont actually protect Copenhagen from rising sea levels because there is still a strip where the water can come in.
Experts tell that the water also comes from the South coast. Big surprice. This is only one of the problems with the Lynnetteholm. The plan is not waterproff
@@stephanrichard7006 you don’t think they thought about that? Do you think the small strip will be equipped with or without a gate?
@@Kvadraten376 You know honestly I assume they must have thought of it but the video doesn't mention any barrier in that strip. So Im just left thinking.....is this a gigantic oversight??
Long term plans for the project include the ability to close off during storm surges. The new island will be part of the protection.
using this for my essay on drinking water. Thank you for making this informative video.
All construction completed by 2070? What the hell, so slow. We have a housing problem today so we solve it by 2070. 😂 I hope this is just a communication error.
Beyond that, prime area new constructions don’t solve housing problems but actually foster it.
That's if they finish on time, which is not something the Copenhagen municipality has a good track record of. My bet is that it'll be done by around 2120
No housing built out there will be filled by normal people.
2070 is a joke. What the actual f*ck? Other nations manage to do projects on that scale in maybe 7-10 years.
The difference is that they are just using the leftover dirt from other projects in the city. the island will fill up at the same speed as leftover dirt is generated. part of the reason why it is sold as a cheap solution. the dirt is "free". I agree it wont solve the housing crisis though, that can only be solved politically
Not the heart. More like a pain in the ass to danish taxpayers.
As always left wings trying to prevent development. Go Denmark! U can do it.
KB is governed by the Social Democrats (left wing)
@@Sofus. We are liberals! There's no freer economy in the world. We love the free-market! If u're looking for left wing communists, try South America, Africa and/or Asia.
@@titus_philemon Read a little about politics, so you can better talk about this topics.
@@Sofus. Classic American that thinks that every country with "affordable Healthcare" is left wing hahaha
3:08 I am not sure what conversion rate you are using, but I think you acidentally converted the USD into Norwegian kroner, and not Danish kroner, as 20 billion dkk is roughly 3.2 billion usd, but minor detail. Great video regardless
Im from Denmark and in kroner is 2.4 bil
fun thing, if I was in the Danish parliament, I would have voting no for this
Nice video.
I have lived in Copenhagen. This is good idea.
I live in Copenhagen. This is NOT a good idea.
@@sebbeselvig3931 I live in Copenhagen. This is a good idea if they make it completely car-free and residing required housing (bopælspligt).
@@konskift but that is not realistic. The land prices go down if it's car-free, that will place even more debt on the citizens, it's that fair?
Look at Nordhavn, originally it was designed to be a green and sustainable city, now it's a super compacted concrete area. The more squaremeters the developers can push in, the better, to reduce their cost of buying the land.
I am a Dane and I didn't even know that this island was planned.
Lol me too
It's kind of funny how some of the Danish words are pronounced surprisingly well and others weren't even attempted to be pronounced as anything but english
Love your videos man
2070????
I mean, what choice do they have? You’re not looking for a good solution here, you’re looking for the least-bad solution.
These govts. Always f things up. The least bad solution is if they did nothing.
Good job on pronounciations, can tell you tried real hard to get it right.
Think we can all hear it,, :D
Nice video. The "funny" thing I notived, was your use of Norways money bills and not the ones of Denmark. At 3:09
But nice job
As an architect living in Copenhagen, I find this project a complete and utter monstrosity. It is obvious the only interest pushing this disgrace is a bunch of elite real state developers, completely out of touch with reality and actual problem solving. They want to offset the cost of the construction by selling the real state, yeah I can see a multi billion 50 year endeavor as a feasible solution to an existing housing crisis. Oh and the 25B kroner figure? Yeah that would be only de cost of the island, add the motorway, the metro line and infrastructure work and you are well over 100 Billion kroner. Give me a break.
Did u people ask what Sweden thinks of this ? They provide the wisdom and moral compass your country doesn’t have. So stop being stubborn and ask them for advise and direction! Those are my American thoughts.
@@Mynipplesmychoice Sweden have send a complaint to Denmark about this crazy projekt
Btw, the video they showing 20 billion Danish kroner, is actually not the Danish kroner, but is the Norwegian kroner of Norway
Danish pronunciation: Abysmal
Communication and video quality: Great!
Factual and informative content: OK
The metro shot in the video is actually line A in Prague :-)
Sounds hellish. The politicians are seeing big profits, the ppl will play the price as usual. Critics you quote make a lot of sense.
3:10 - nice try. Those notes are Norwegian, not Danish.
Even if it was profit motivated, it's still a good idea. If there's a need for that land, why not fulfil it?
Problem is that the landfill will have a great impact on marine life and environment. The environmental report has been challenged by some of the top ranking experts in Denmark and Sweden and the Baltic countries agrees to that, calling the report "superficial and incomplete". The government and constructors (By&Havn) has done no changes to the project.
Also, remember that Copenhagen is just the center of the capital area called "Greater Copenhagen". There is no critical need for land. Therefore, it's very problematic to infer the environmental damages.
@@sebbeselvig3931 I disagree on the point that there is no need for it. Clearly, there are many people who would like to build close to the city center, thus people want more land. Also, the video brought up the point that it may be just funding city projects, but who said that would be a bad thing? For example, some of the profit generated by the land reclamation project would go to paying off city debt, that very same debt that was created to improve livability in Copenhagen. I do agree that there could be adverse effects on the environment, so I guess it boils down to the entire population of Copenhagen vs. some fish.
@@paxtoncargill4661 the "some fish" you refer to is all the Baltic Sea. It's fair that you don't see the environment as a basis for human life, and therefore does not need protection. It is not like the capital area is out of places to build new houses - we are in no way in an emergency.
The problem about a project like this should fund other city projects, is that it then drives up the land prices to get as much money to the city as possible (still won't cover the last 20-30 billions). This goes against the political promise of creating affordable housing. A similar area, Nordhavn, is also being developed by By&Havn and they hold the record of being the most expensive area.
@@paxtoncargill4661 No that is a completely reductionist view of how the environment works. As of right now the larger environmental impact of the project remains unassessed as only a local impact analysis has been made meaning their is no way a proper cost benefit analysis of this island has been made.
Definitely a great idea. Purple haired will always find something to complain about. If it were to them, nothing would ever get done.
* laughs in Dutch *
Yes
Haha
I'm from Copenhagen, did not know this 🙏
kinda weird to believe 35k homes would help to drop those prices as isn't there like over million people already and that project is finished in 2050? :D
/Edit first i wrote half million, but it's more close to 2 million than half million :D
35 k on half a million is a very big ratio
@@liasmettler2996 its some, but if the population grows same speed there's gonna be +100k more people and if there's already problem of housing in that area.
true, but there are also construction projects going on in other parts of the city. This is just one of many.
Did you see the video? 1.4 million People
@@liasmettler2996 Did you see the video? 1.4 million people
Great video
Don't think what people think or say about you ,you were not born on this earth to please everyone .
well if we don't by that logic child predators,murderers or any criminals in general should not feel bad about themselves they're not born to please everyone (in this case the government)
Great video! 👏
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I appreciated the clip from Prague metro
Agreed, I visited Prague when I was a kid, and when I saw that clip I thought "hey, wait a minute, haven't I been there as a kid?" I can remember being impressed by how clean and well-kept the train stations were.
3:22 that's odd. holm is also an english word which means a small island.
why odd? danish and english are germanic languages, so it makes perfectly sense that they have similar words
@@enigmapocstar3324 this is sarcasm.
Lest we forget the brief visit we had from the Vikings
For a Dane living in Jylland it is not a big deal. What happens on Sjælland ( the island of Devils ) is of little interest to us. Anyway we have a secret plan to chance the Capital to Silkeborg. The absolute last city to be flooded in Denmark.
Aarhus would be a better capital
@jaep struiksma You have never been to Copenhagen?
@jaep struiksma You should visit Thy if you love the sea, woods and hills.
just declare Stockholm as your capital city and try to save that shit
I like watching english people butcher our words, like how you said Tredje Natur sounds to funny to me lol.
Me to
Copenhagen : we are submerjing because we extend our land to sea. Help us
Dubai : 😳😳😳
3:09 "20 billion danish kroner"
*Shows picture of norwegian kroner...
danish are going to make the norwegian to pay for the wa... island. apparently they were watching foreign tv and got the idea from some show or something
@@jh5kl wtf, what show?
@@Christian_TH some trumpf guy building a wall, had a show where he would also dance for tv, he also taught everyone how to rake the forest. although the characters in the show were clearly exageratedly written
I think it's a horrible idea. The negatives outweigh the positives by far. The way they have moved away from "the finger plan" is just bad city planning. I am so confused and frustrated by this.
The pronunciation is perfect lol
when he said 20 billion danish kroner and has picture of norwegian bills lmao
and had a $ in front of the 20 billion kroner? xD
@@tobiasdencker537 galaxybrain editor
Fantastic video. Even though you pronunciations are a bit funny, you are 100% excused, because danish is a dumb and funny sound in language. And that's coming from a danish person.
An environmental catastrophy in the making. Yust this summer the municipality of Copenhagen has been found to be wreck less with its environmental obligations. Millions have been spent on cleaning the harbour so that the water quality was suitable for recreational activities and improving the ecology, but now all that has been ruined by giving permission for raw sewage to be dumped directly into the harbour. In Amager the municipality has started a building project on protected land housing endangered wildlife. And these are only two of many examples. This Lynette project has also seen rising concerns in Sweden as Øresund, one of the few straits in Danish territorial waters that has seen an increase in marine life, will suffer if not risk becoming uninhabitable.
Conclusion is that the Danish government, is sort of in a way corrupt.