Thank you all for the feedback. I clearly have a lot to learn, but that comes from time in the seat. I haven't gotten the hip snap yet, and I lift my head too soon. And I have no edge control at all. Pool practice is nothing at all like being in swift current. I had been a raft guide 30 yrs ago, so I thought I knew something. A kayak is a very different experience. I very much enjoy learning new things, and this one comes with some scrapes and bruises. Thanks for watching. I put these up mostly for myself (I tend to over analyze myself, and it helps to see the err in my ways). Your comments and feedback is very welcome!
The best thing you can do for yourself at this point is get a good roll, it’ll keep you safer and it’ll also be much appreciated by your paddle friends, swimming is for fish 🐟
Good for you letting out and having a go. From watching that it looks like you just need to practice your edging more and know when and where to put the boat on edge. Combine that with more positive forwards paddling and you'll be fine. A decent roll will come with practice, but learn to read the water a bit better and you'll have fewer issues that require a roll.
Great Job, make sure you laugh at your mistakes, find some friends to laugh at you, and enjoy the water therapy. Not too many people are sponsored and we all started out as Noobs. Respect my man!
Keep at it, everyone swims. As people have already mentioned. Getting the roll right will build the confidence, but also practice your High and Low braces they'll help so you don't have to roll so much. :)
You got a lot of useful tips, here is mine. Either cross the eddy line to make it to the eddy, or paddle the main stream. Following the eddy line makes you unstable.
I just got back from the NWWC. I've called myself a solid class 3 boater with a decent roll. I never swan more than I did in the two days I was there. I could power down the channel, but if I flipped, I swam almost every time. It really crushed my confidence. In the end I discovered that my roll fails in the boiling turbulent water. Something to note, the smooth channels have no features to slow the water so the eddy's and runouts are brutal in comparison to a typical class 3 river. I got tired of swimming and ended up just doing roll practice in the eddy's of the instructional channel and I still swam a lot! I did put myself in the eddy lines, so it was my own doing. I read something about leaning to roll without being in the typical setup position because turbulent water will sometimes prevent you from being where you want to be. Time for a lesson on my combat roll...good luck!
Focus on learning to roll, edge control will be much easier to learn when you don't have to swim after every mistake. Watch some videos and learn progressively. You can practice the hip snap on dry land and once you get a pool roll you can start practicing river rolls by flipping on eddy fences. Kayak paddles are a lot more effective in water than they are in air. Don't be scared of waves, lean into them, plant your paddle in the base, and pull yourself through. Your first two swims happened because you leaned away from the wave, sank your upstream edge, and tried to brace into boily aerated water.
I know this video is 2 months old right now. But dude, if you haven’t yet, go take a basic stroke class. Because you clearly don’t know how to and what to use when to use the appropriate paddle strokes. Good on ya to be out there trying to. Stay in the water park until you get a little better dialed. But seriously, go take a basic stroke class or hook up with someone who can mentor you. Keep on keeping on. And remember, it’s all about having fun.
This was a rough day, but the fact that you kept getting back into your boat and finished the lap is admirable. Have you had any instruction? If not, I would highly recommend it. I took 5 consecutive days of instruction a few months into my first year of kayaking, and it made a world of difference. Professional instructors can spot what the student is doing wrong very quickly and work with you to correct it. Whitewater kayaking is an awesome sport, but unless someone is lucky enough to possess super-human natural ability, they are gonna need some help along the way. Hang in there. It'll get better.
@cthomassimpson it really does make a huge difference. We have Tvcc here in Chattanooga, it's 20$ a year to join. Idk how close you are, but you might still be able to sign up for paddle school, it's next weekend. It's like 80$ for the weekend.
@@cthomassimpson I was also told its good to do it sooner than later because without being told the proper way you will start to develop bad habits and bad muscle memory.
Looks like you took a tough swim, it looks difficult staying upright at times, thanks for posting video I enjoyed a true look at this. I still want to try the hard shell Kayak. I have been doing Inflatable Kayaking for several years and it's alot of fun!
It is fun. You should definitely give it a try, but ensure you are safe. I may not entirely know how to control my boat, but I do have whitewater experience and know how to self resuce. And this park provides a controlled environment to learn. Have fun and ge safe
Hang in there bud we were all beaters at one point! Take advantage of the pools and get that roll dialed-in 😊 watch EJ's strokes and concepts videos and practice proper technique.
Hang in there. I’ve only been to the ww center once, but I thought it was a bit difficult because of the swirly eddies and current different than what I’m used to in central NC. I think if you get your roll and keep practicing there you’ll be in good shape. Fun place to learn, but definitely more challenging than some videos make it look.
Try getting some low and high brace coaching. The high brace will make your roll stronger when it comes. It will also prevent a lot of capsizes. Great video, we are all in-between swims 😀🏆
If you don’t turn over you don’t need to roll. You need to learn how and when and most importantly which direction you should be leaning. Also practice your brace will help too. Besides that the line you take down the rapids are important. If you hit the feature straight on you are much less likely to flip.
I just googled white water centers in North Carolina and several were located. Exactly which center is this one in the video? I did the Ocoee rafting last year. I'd love to take white water kayaking lessons. Where I live there area no rapids - flat as a board here. TIA! ✌️
I'm at the center all the time. If you see me out there (blue supernova, black gear, purple/black helmet) say hi. I wouldn't mind boating with you. My crew and I are also on RUclips. We are Jer kayaks and the portage posse.
Он боится . Не уверен. Поэтому и переворачивается. Надо вставать . Учить эскимосские перевороты. 10 эскимосских переворотов на время. Без этого нельзя в порог.
Solid practice run 🤙 keep it up. If it’s in budget I’ve found taking a course or clinic for a day or two really helps me get a technique I’m having trouble with.
The advice I would give. Get in the hole. choose the smallest hole on the course, get in a side surf and learn to escape. You'll learn how to high brace and hold your edges. those skills are transferable everywhere. its not always about just successfully getting down the course. have a play around.
As others said, keep trying and work on your roll. You will get more comfortable as you go. Try to lean forward and keep paddling when going through rapids, it will increase your stability. A couple of USNWC specific tips. 1) next time i suggest just spend some time running the instructional channel on the left of wilderness for a bit until your boat control feels better 2) on M wave, aim for the crease on the left side of the big curler, you will lose less speed and it will make it easier.
For years I worked with my problem my panic treshold was too low. I allowed myself to take white water lessons, only after learning a reliable roll in flat water. When I made that a success, it was a major boost to relying on my skills. Also my experience of what panic does, helped to learn a lot, quickly.
Whoa! I’m only started kayaking 3 years ago only lakes and some class 1-2 rapids. Wanting to get into more whitewater. Never knew there was a man made place like this for kayakers! This is awesome! Can someone please give me more info on this??
Nice work sticking with it. I can tell by your forward stroke that you've not taken a lesson before. Take a lesson (or a few) and learn the rudiments before trying to increase rapid difficulty. There is a lot of nuance to paddling whitewater that you will not learn from trial and error or youtube videos.
You need to edge your boat more when turning in or out of an eddie. Also start to leave the eddie always at the highest point (upstream) and stop leaving the eddie on the lower end. You might have to overcome a rock that's sitting right next to the eddie in upcoming kajaking trips and therefore you need to know how to ferry a river. Also: leave your paddle in the water and paddle through a rough spot, that way you always have pressure on the paddle and you can "lean" on the paddle or stabilize yourself. Also practice to keep your boat straight, by also using your legs to push your boat around while the paddle is in the water.
At least you tried, and that is key. My wife was an instructor and she would really push people to make real attempts at rolling before giving up. People still thank her for that.
what a beautiful park to go kayaking in, its great to se you are pushing your self and even trying to roll! a tip to improve your rolling is to take it slow and look at the paddle blades then it will come natural, once u hit your first combat roll you will be alot more confident in your paddling and a new world of paddling will open up, have a great one!
I take it you dont river paddle on your own you seemed to rely on other paddlers to help you that i take werent in a group with you. Paddlers will always help each other but till your experience is better you should be alone even on a course like that
Thank you all for the feedback. I clearly have a lot to learn, but that comes from time in the seat. I haven't gotten the hip snap yet, and I lift my head too soon. And I have no edge control at all. Pool practice is nothing at all like being in swift current.
I had been a raft guide 30 yrs ago, so I thought I knew something. A kayak is a very different experience.
I very much enjoy learning new things, and this one comes with some scrapes and bruises.
Thanks for watching. I put these up mostly for myself (I tend to over analyze myself, and it helps to see the err in my ways). Your comments and feedback is very welcome!
The best thing you can do for yourself at this point is get a good roll, it’ll keep you safer and it’ll also be much appreciated by your paddle friends, swimming is for fish 🐟
Good for you letting out and having a go. From watching that it looks like you just need to practice your edging more and know when and where to put the boat on edge. Combine that with more positive forwards paddling and you'll be fine. A decent roll will come with practice, but learn to read the water a bit better and you'll have fewer issues that require a roll.
Great Job, make sure you laugh at your mistakes, find some friends to laugh at you, and enjoy the water therapy. Not too many people are sponsored and we all started out as Noobs. Respect my man!
Keep at it, everyone swims.
As people have already mentioned. Getting the roll right will build the confidence, but also practice your High and Low braces they'll help so you don't have to roll so much. :)
You got a lot of useful tips, here is mine.
Either cross the eddy line to make it to the eddy, or paddle the main stream.
Following the eddy line makes you unstable.
I just got back from the NWWC. I've called myself a solid class 3 boater with a decent roll. I never swan more than I did in the two days I was there. I could power down the channel, but if I flipped, I swam almost every time. It really crushed my confidence. In the end I discovered that my roll fails in the boiling turbulent water. Something to note, the smooth channels have no features to slow the water so the eddy's and runouts are brutal in comparison to a typical class 3 river. I got tired of swimming and ended up just doing roll practice in the eddy's of the instructional channel and I still swam a lot! I did put myself in the eddy lines, so it was my own doing. I read something about leaning to roll without being in the typical setup position because turbulent water will sometimes prevent you from being where you want to be. Time for a lesson on my combat roll...good luck!
Focus on learning to roll, edge control will be much easier to learn when you don't have to swim after every mistake. Watch some videos and learn progressively. You can practice the hip snap on dry land and once you get a pool roll you can start practicing river rolls by flipping on eddy fences.
Kayak paddles are a lot more effective in water than they are in air. Don't be scared of waves, lean into them, plant your paddle in the base, and pull yourself through. Your first two swims happened because you leaned away from the wave, sank your upstream edge, and tried to brace into boily aerated water.
I know this video is 2 months old right now. But dude, if you haven’t yet, go take a basic stroke class. Because you clearly don’t know how to and what to use when to use the appropriate paddle strokes. Good on ya to be out there trying to. Stay in the water park until you get a little better dialed. But seriously, go take a basic stroke class or hook up with someone who can mentor you. Keep on keeping on. And remember, it’s all about having fun.
Learn the basics .... dont give up.😉
He is trying to turn that Kayak into a submarine.
Natural selection at work here
This was a rough day, but the fact that you kept getting back into your boat and finished the lap is admirable. Have you had any instruction? If not, I would highly recommend it. I took 5 consecutive days of instruction a few months into my first year of kayaking, and it made a world of difference. Professional instructors can spot what the student is doing wrong very quickly and work with you to correct it. Whitewater kayaking is an awesome sport, but unless someone is lucky enough to possess super-human natural ability, they are gonna need some help along the way. Hang in there. It'll get better.
No lessons yet. It's becoming clear that I need professional guidance.
@cthomassimpson it really does make a huge difference. We have Tvcc here in Chattanooga, it's 20$ a year to join. Idk how close you are, but you might still be able to sign up for paddle school, it's next weekend. It's like 80$ for the weekend.
@@cthomassimpson I was also told its good to do it sooner than later because without being told the proper way you will start to develop bad habits and bad muscle memory.
Looks like you took a tough swim, it looks difficult staying upright at times, thanks for posting video I enjoyed a true look at this. I still want to try the hard shell Kayak. I have been doing Inflatable Kayaking for several years and it's alot of fun!
It is fun. You should definitely give it a try, but ensure you are safe.
I may not entirely know how to control my boat, but I do have whitewater experience and know how to self resuce. And this park provides a controlled environment to learn.
Have fun and ge safe
Hang in there bud we were all beaters at one point! Take advantage of the pools and get that roll dialed-in 😊 watch EJ's strokes and concepts videos and practice proper technique.
Thanks for the encouragement!! I spent today in the pool. Need to learn to slow down, keep my head down, and snap the hip. I'll keep at it!
Hey I admire the fact you kept going! I feel like I would have been super pissed off and given up! 🤘 well done
Hang in there. I’ve only been to the ww center once, but I thought it was a bit difficult because of the swirly eddies and current different than what I’m used to in central NC. I think if you get your roll and keep practicing there you’ll be in good shape. Fun place to learn, but definitely more challenging than some videos make it look.
Try getting some low and high brace coaching. The high brace will make your roll stronger when it comes. It will also prevent a lot of capsizes. Great video, we are all in-between swims 😀🏆
If you don’t turn over you don’t need to roll. You need to learn how and when and most importantly which direction you should be leaning. Also practice your brace will help too. Besides that the line you take down the rapids are important. If you hit the feature straight on you are much less likely to flip.
Удачи. Я не поняла ,что ты начинающий. Думала балуешься. 😂
I just googled white water centers in North Carolina and several were located. Exactly which center is this one in the video? I did the Ocoee rafting last year. I'd love to take white water kayaking lessons. Where I live there area no rapids - flat as a board here. TIA! ✌️
Hallo zusammen
Wo ist der wildwasser Park???
North Carolina, USA
I wish we had one where I live😅
I'm at the center all the time. If you see me out there (blue supernova, black gear, purple/black helmet) say hi. I wouldn't mind boating with you. My crew and I are also on RUclips. We are Jer kayaks and the portage posse.
Thank you!! I've been watching the portage posse. I'll certainly look for you.
Он боится . Не уверен. Поэтому и переворачивается. Надо вставать . Учить эскимосские перевороты.
10 эскимосских переворотов на время.
Без этого нельзя в порог.
Solid practice run 🤙 keep it up. If it’s in budget I’ve found taking a course or clinic for a day or two really helps me get a technique I’m having trouble with.
I’ve done up to class 2 in plastic. Anything bigger I’d like to try a Aire
The advice I would give.
Get in the hole.
choose the smallest hole on the course, get in a side surf and learn to escape. You'll learn how to high brace and hold your edges. those skills are transferable everywhere. its not always about just successfully getting down the course. have a play around.
As others said, keep trying and work on your roll. You will get more comfortable as you go. Try to lean forward and keep paddling when going through rapids, it will increase your stability.
A couple of USNWC specific tips.
1) next time i suggest just spend some time running the instructional channel on the left of wilderness for a bit until your boat control feels better
2) on M wave, aim for the crease on the left side of the big curler, you will lose less speed and it will make it easier.
For years I worked with my problem my panic treshold was too low.
I allowed myself to take white water lessons, only after learning a reliable roll in flat water.
When I made that a success, it was a major boost to relying on my skills.
Also my experience of what panic does, helped to learn a lot, quickly.
On ur second flip you hesitated on ur last left stroke. Dont stop paddling in the middle of the whitewater.
Any ww kayak is much more stable when moving forward relative to the water
Good job getting back in your boat till you finished the run! If you keep doing that it will eventually click
Some basics of Whitewater are missing.
Добыпендривался 😂
Starting out is frustrating. Have u taken a lesson?
The WWC is tough. Keep going. It gets better.
Whoa! I’m only started kayaking 3 years ago only lakes and some class 1-2 rapids. Wanting to get into more whitewater.
Never knew there was a man made place like this for kayakers! This is awesome! Can someone please give me more info on this??
This is the US National Whitewater Center in Charlotte NC.
@@cthomassimpsonthanks! I’m checking it out I’m only 10 hours away!
Nice work sticking with it. I can tell by your forward stroke that you've not taken a lesson before. Take a lesson (or a few) and learn the rudiments before trying to increase rapid difficulty. There is a lot of nuance to paddling whitewater that you will not learn from trial and error or youtube videos.
What are these little shorty kayaks called like the red one at 1:05
Playboat. For doing flips, tricks, and playing in waves.
I am far from skilled enough for one of those
You need to edge your boat more when turning in or out of an eddie. Also start to leave the eddie always at the highest point (upstream) and stop leaving the eddie on the lower end. You might have to overcome a rock that's sitting right next to the eddie in upcoming kajaking trips and therefore you need to know how to ferry a river. Also: leave your paddle in the water and paddle through a rough spot, that way you always have pressure on the paddle and you can "lean" on the paddle or stabilize yourself. Also practice to keep your boat straight, by also using your legs to push your boat around while the paddle is in the water.
What kind of place is this, what is it called?
US National Whitewater Center in Charlotte North Carolina
At least you tried, and that is key. My wife was an instructor and she would really push people to make real attempts at rolling before giving up. People still thank her for that.
stick with it. Keep working on that roll. Best to hit Mwave left or right of center.
Where is this place?
US National Whitewater Center in Charlotte North Carolina
Yo where is this WW park at?
@@ImDarkJuJu Charlotte NC US National Whitewater Center
My man needs boat😂😂
@@fishwhisper4388 I was trying to catch up to it 😁
That’s awesome! Keep putting in the work!
what a beautiful park to go kayaking in, its great to se you are pushing your self and even trying to roll! a tip to improve your rolling is to take it slow and look at the paddle blades then it will come natural, once u hit your first combat roll you will be alot more confident in your paddling and a new world of paddling will open up, have a great one!
Thanks for the advice!! I am feeling hurried, but Ill keep at it.
Where is this?
US National whitewater center in Charlotte NC
Good for you for keeping at it, kayaking is a very mental sport. You'll get there! Hang in there!
Yes. I am seriously struggling in my own head, but Im also stubborn and wont quit till I learn it!
Where is this. Looks awesome.
US National Whitewater Center in Charlotte North Carolina
I take it you dont river paddle on your own you seemed to rely on other paddlers to help you that i take werent in a group with you. Paddlers will always help each other but till your experience is better you should be alone even on a course like that