Deadly Deception! Unraveling the Mystery of Atlas Air Flight 3591.
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2024
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Atlas Air flight 3591 was scheduled as a domestic cargo flight going from Miami international airport to George Bush airport in Houston, United States. This incident sequence I am about to explain to you took only 31 seconds, about the same time it takes to drink a tall glass of water. During those 31 seconds, years of delayed legislation, a deceitful resume, personal shortcomings and an incredible chain of events came together in a truly frightening way. Let’s investigate
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Final Report:
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Aircraft Used:
Boeing 767 Professional Extended Upgrade:
Produced by VMAX
Designed by team members from Flight Factor and StepToSky
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PRIA: NTSB
www.faa.gov/pilots/lic_cert/pria
Soutwest Video: @soutwest Via RUclips
• Southwest Airlines: 73...
American Airlines Video: American Airlines Via RUclips
• More New Planes Than A...
JetBlue Video: JetBlue Via RUclips
• JetBlue Gateways - The...
NTSB video: NTSB Via RUclips
• NTSB - Our Mission
Congress video: C-SPAN Via RUclips
• U.S. Senate CONFIRMS J...
Prime Air Video: Amazon News Via RUclips
• Packing a Prime Plane ...
Crash 2: NTSB
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CHAPTERS
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00:00 - Intro
00:25 - Keeping track
02:54- The First Officer
04:41 - Further study is needed
07:53 - The Captain
08:54 - Flight preparations
10:58 - Takeoff and cruise
13:06 - Descent clearance
15:06 - Descent planning
17:03 - Weather issues
21:20 - A stretch too far
24:57 - Our position in space
27:08 - Inversion illusion
29:17 - No one noticed the change
33:48 - A tragic end
36:52 - A wake up call
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will you ever do a video about fedex 705?
yeah, well we are ripping the shit out of their content right now, so dont worry i told you how to fix your honour also, start by supporting airbus and demoizing boeing because seriously their board of directors are financeers accountants, and put money above safety. i dont want to see you die in a MCAS tragedy
many boeing engineers work for airbus now or even spaceX
Mentour pilot can you do the 2002 Uberlingen mid air collision;
Hey can I make a suggestion. Have you thought about interviewing people? For example, it would be extremely interesting to hear from pilots themselves who had an accident. Also interview people from the business part of aviation, how fuel prices affect them, people from Engineering from either Airbus or Boeing, or air traffic control, or even aviation research people, say from Cranfield University.
thank you for all the nice comments about my Dad. He was the captain and didn’t deserve any of this.
I feel sooo bad for you, I know what it is like to experience the death of a parent.....
I feel bad for your dad. That first officer should never have been hired.
Based on online memorials, today (May 31st) is your father’s birthday. May you feel comfort, light, and warmth in the radiance of your dad’s memory and in your eternal love for him, and may you feel his everlasting spirit soaring above you at cruising altitude in the bluest & loveliest of skies. ❤️✈️♾️
I'm very sorry for your loss.
Hello everyone hopefully you are doing well, I'm from East Africa TANZANIA and I'm Very interested About flight, since I was a little boy but due to AFRICA poor situation I couldn't fly or go to school, but I'm still love it, big up man tour for giving me and others the Education of flying , but how could I contact with you personally?
The guy would start pressing buttons randomly to make it appear that he was doing something, on a plane? That's crazy behavior.
Yeah and was flying a 767. Absolutely insane.
Yep. He must have been a natural born politician.
That's all it takes, some dude gets panicked and does random BS. They're in charge of our lives.
I mean, when "general judgement" is noted as a weakness in pilot training, shouldn't that be a immediate rejection?
@@morganghetti why is the fact it was a 767 remarcable?
I feel like we really need to build more of a cultural attitude of accepting that there's nothing _wrong_ with simply not having the right kind of personality traits for a particular job. Some people just shouldn't be doing certain things for their own safety and the safety of everyone around them.
I love your comment because it’s so true! People just refuse to be honest with themselves about themselves. I used to work with a girl who was the b*tchiest person I’ve ever met and she had the nerve to be in school to be a kindergarten teacher. She had no patience at all….
I don’t work in the medical field because I move too slowly and when I feel like I’m failing I shut down. I pride myself in knowing myself and where I belong. No shame in my game lol it does indeed save lives.
❤
We're not even allowed to tell a bloke what gender he is.... The era of "my truths"..
I dont give a damn about someones gender. Can you do the damn job or not? We have the same issues with cops in America. There are just jobs certain people should not be doing, thats it, and due to lax standards you wont see the problem until a crisis situation arises and people die.
Facts ,
how hard can that be attitude . Then go attempt it with no training or very limited training indangers everyone
However flip it don't get break trews in every field with everyone thinking alike
I agree. This idea of telling children " you can do anything you want" just isn't true. Some harsh realities are required.
I work for this company and fly the same aircraft. It was a tragic day when we all found out about this. I knew Sean, the jump seater, from my days at Mesa. He was a super great guy. Always loved flying with him. Thank you for the thoughtful and informative video. You always present these with respect and thoroughness.
Thank you. These words mean a lot to me as you never know how people, closer to the tragedy, will react.
Even though he was a friend and not a family member, I'm very sorry for your loss.
Hi man how is it like flying? I am always scared to go on planes after seeing videos of planes crashing
@@Avery_PVP Mentour has alluded to this in the past, though I can't recall whether it was in a stand-alone video or as part of another tragedy. But it was very much in line with @rashkavar's response below. The only thing I'd add is that Mentour acknowledged the possibility that his videos of accidents might paradoxically lead nervous flyers to conclude that flying is riskier than it is.
@@rashkavar Awesome post. Thanks. 🙂 I used to travel a lot for work and people thought it was glamorous. I said I'd rather spend the same length of time on a bus as you got to see more. 🙂
I love how there’s always a Columbo moment at the start of each video. The first few minutes ending with a “remember this” moment.
Right? Those moments are terrifying but also the best
'In a crisis, he had a tendency to press any button to appear busy' 😱...
That sent chills down my spine!
That's what a child playing a pilot would do! 🫣
Don't put innercity ppl in these positions. Morgoth - The Competency Crisis go watch it.
He had the brain of a child. It’s genetic. Only the woke commies think intelligence isn’t genetic and determined by racial background and ethnic makeup
And yet, that's all he needed to do to still end up getting this job.
Yeah because he was a monkey.
This should be a no-brainer to cancel any license. But everyone is probably afraid to criticize the man because of his race.
The first officer made such bizarre inputs that made the system disregard the information it was getting. Goes to show how incompetent that man truly was.
He was touching any button just to look busy really? That got me
Computer: Whaaat noo that's ridiculous. No one could be that dumb
Narrator: This guy was, in fact, that dumb
He was very stupid
That is not quite correct. The EGPWS and many other aircraft systems are designed to ignore data that "appears" to be unrealistic. It was not "bizarre inputs" that caused this, it was simply the descent rate, pitch and speed of the aircraft in that particular stage of the flight that were considered by the system as unrealistic. A subtle but important difference.
Unless you’ve experienced somotographic illusions, you have no idea how powerful they can be. The FO shouldn’t have been there, but the 767 is crew aircraft. The CA is ultimately responsible. He needed to take control much earlier, fly the airplane, and let the FO do the administrative PM duties. The situation was exacerbated by the weather, and laissez-faire attitude of ATC. The holes in the Swiss cheese model lined-up that day and the last line of defence was insufficient. This could have been a passenger airplane with 300 pax on board…
I knew the Captain and flew his last flight with his previous carrier. He was a great guy and did not deserve this. Neither did the jumpseater. The FO had zero business being there. Following the crash is very difficult for me. Wish I never read the CVR transcript. RIP Ricky
My condolences. It´s indeed a very sad story.
But wait, the ADL and their controlled media tell us diversity is our greatest strength. Should global racial equality be sacrificed because of occasional plane crashes?
Peace be with you
Sorry for your loss
@@M_SCyour words "I wish I never read the CVR transcript" ... 😢.
I worked in the past with a guy that reminds me of the first officer. Fortunately, we weren’t pilots so I survived. Many corporate wide computer systems were crashed repeatedly, but no aircraft were harmed. The behavior of pushing a lot of buttons without knowing what u are doing in order to appear to be taking action is something that I witnessed on a daily basis. It often led to a crash.
I used to work with one of these characters as well, and I'm very thankful that we weren't in an industry where mistakes could impact anyone's safety. As painful as it was to work with him at times, I see now that it was good that he was working with us and not somewhere with lives at stake.
@@Suicune-oz4ou There are always people like that around us, easily freaked out and more concerned about looking busy than actually doing the right thing, and it's apparently very unkind to point out such issue and ask for improvement. Everyday I go to work I can't help thinking "Thank goodness you people aren't flying planes!" Then I'd realise "Holy crap, there ARE people like that flying actual planes!!!"
@@juliannechan7282i can admit i'm slow, struggled with a lot of things but i got patience so i just decided it's best to work in caretaking. it's not "improvement" that they need, sometimes they've already tried for ages like this pilot and just can't. that's when plans for their careers should change.
I'm working in the security business.
It seems to be a human trait amongst some individuals. They don't want to appear lost, so they do something and hope it will solve the problem. Many maaaaaany times, it simply creates new problems.
Little shoutout for my republicans and democrats friends out there. Stop pushing buttons at random.
A human trait among some individuals is not a human trait; it is a characteristic found among some humans.@@boboutelama5748
Some people are simply not cut out to be pilots and this "first officer" was definitely one of those people. Based on his history, he clearly had no business controlling a real aircraft and Atlas allowed this man to take out two completely innocent and capable pilots with his extremely obvious incompetence. Absolutely tragic. My sincere condolences to their family and loved ones.
Here here, another voice of reason. Thank you
Completely agree. He had no business being in that cockpit.
Piloting an aircraft means having the ability to make quick decisions , and having a level of mind clearly needed to handle all the instrumentations going on. The first pilot was clearly lacking in this area
I'm only a lowly rotor wing guy, but having gotten an IR in a Robbie which wasn't easy...I just don't understand how someone can be THAT bad at this stuff and not get sent back to Pilot 101 (or washed out of the biz completely). Basic judgment and stick and rudder skills need to be mastered at the very, very bottom of the ladder long before you're allowed near the pointy end of a 300K lbs machine.
Absolutely! I learned I couldn't handle the information load on a two-seater Cessna much less anything more complex.
The thing that makes me most angry about this is that the FO obviously knew he sucked at flying planes and yet he persisted in doing so, even going so far as to lie on his resume to hide it from others. His deliberate disregard for his known inability to safely fly planes makes his actions basically murder in my eyes.
I would imagine that once you've invested a large part of your life into becoming a pilot and everyone knows that you are a pilot and successful that it would😢be massively hard to just quit unexpectedly and start over. Friends and family would not understand and what could you say??? " I suck at it".
Also when he failed tests at other airlines I'm sure that just like the rest of us he was thinking that he would study and do better not that he was so awful that he would eventually crash a plane.
@@TheMariemarie16 That mentality is fine when you're still in High School. He's flying huge commercial aircraft so no excuses, no passes. He should have been kicked out early on.
@@TheMariemarie16that was his problem to fix before endangering and ultimately getting others killed
Dunning Kruger at its finest
@@TheMariemarie16
Too bad, so sad. It isn't like sucking as a garbage man or mailman - People's lives are at stake, FFS!
I worked on this plane in Jacksonville Fl in 2018. It is extremely stressful to hear a plane you've actually performed repairs on crashed. Very sad loss for the crews family.
Oh I can see the stress there for sure! You probably at least start to wonder if it's something you worked on caused it to crash. While It's good to know it's not tied to maintenance, you obviously got to feel for the family.
I think the word "not" was supposed to be in there :)
@@MainSequence1 Lol. Yea it was NOT related to maintenance..
Out of all your videos, this one made me the most uncomfortable. You could see the accident happening from a mile away, and the FO's actions were quite frankly terrifying. However, good job on describing the accident with a lot of respect to the pilots that unfortunately lost their lives.
@@Mentour_pilot3
@mimi_hopie Spot on comment. Not only does Mentour Pilot display great technical grasp, but he describes these sad events with great humanity and compassion, and he never condemns the pilots. I think this is because he has the humility to understand that everyone including himself is capable of failing in the heat of the moment.
I guess you didn't watch the one where the aircraft just finished a repair job and the wings was wired up wrong,went straight out into service, they didn't check the flaps on the preflight check and when it lift off the left and the right wing was doing the opposite. Apparently it was like being on a roller coaster for 1 hour. It was doing 360 turns and all sorts.
@@stinga_ what's the title?
I hate to hear when we waste good pilots and peoples lives for stupidity. When somethings could have been prevented.
This is what happens when people are hired because of money, nepotism, gender, race (and anything else political) instead of for skill, ability, experience, training. Especially in jobs/professions like this when people literally have others lives in their hands.
It’s crazy how every airplane crash makes national news with all the speculation that they can gather, but you rarely hear the final report from the NTSB. Thanks for doing all the proper research to bring closure to this tragic incident.
That's because the reports come out long after nearly everybody has already forgotten the incident. Can be several years.
@@Fastvoice This is True, and usually if it makes the news at all it only shows up locally. It’s very frustrating to me because I know that a lot of people have an irrational fear of flying. So the national news is quick to jump on a tragic plane crash story which feeds those fears but they rarely cover the full story and show what caused it and more importantly how it changed the industry for the better.
That’s because the media is more about hype and emotion, than facts.
Early-on, there are few facts.
It's public records, and u can also request mechanical and pilot records for airlines u may want to travel with upon request in advance of your trip.
You mean a RATIONAL fear of flying surely?
I mean, you're watching a fking video about a plane crash ffs
I cant believe this guy was able to be anywhere near a cockpit with all these issues. Wow.
Diversity hires. You should expect much worse in the coming years.
I remember an airline lately started priding itself in an all black crew.
As a 767 instructor and captain of 28 years , 14000 hours on type, this accident is really hard to get my head around.I didn't realize how this happened and want to commend your video, very well explained. While I was in Asia, I had to train hundreds of local pilots, many of them with just 250 hours total! It was hard enough doing type rating training, however in order to get typed, they had to demonstrate a PC in an actual 767! It was both exhilarating and scary in a real 767, then out to the line with passengers it got harder, but I never ever took my eyes off them below Cruise, NEVER! Landings were stressful, so were departures, I can't understand how this situation could happen with Atlas, this F/O should never have been passed to line. Well done with your videos, very informative
Thank you for your dedication and effort❤
Your videos should be mandatory for every pilot to watch, at least one a week. You provide such a valuable breakdown of each event. I believe in learning from the mistakes of others, especially with flying where such mistakes can have grave consequences.
just to let you know, studying accidents like this in detail is part of recurrent training at every US major carrier.
I just flew on a A321 next to a deadheading pilot who moved to the cockpit due to a fidgety vet with a pet service dog. It was turbulent due to strong winds. The pilots handled it well. After watching these videos i was more aware of the movements & I bet that deadhead pilot helped some. As he moved during mid flight. Not the beginning with 300 pax aboard. I appreciated the good landing and thanked the pilots afterwards.
Its mandatory training for military pilots
At my flight school we have analyzed and written multiple short essays regarding many of these accidents
I’m a 767 captain for a large US major airline. I just wanted to commend you on a really nice job with this accident analysis. I certainly paid a lot of attention to this accident when it happened, and your analysis is one of the best I’ve seen. Really nice job with being objective while doing a deep dive into the background!
pun intended there>? lol. I also have a wrx, still own it after building it for 16 years since brand new! currently trying to pursue my lifelong dream of being a pilot, and working on getting my PPL rn. Do you still have your wrx? Are you happy with your life and career? congrats on living the dream flying heavies for the majors!
@@KuostA Oh! Yikes, yeah pun not intended! I picked this screen name a long time ago (15+ years) when I wanted a WRX. Couldn’t afford one at the time! Now I have a 911 though, which I enjoy very much.
Yes, very happy with the career and the life I’ve been able to enjoy because of it! I was an engineer for a few years after college, and then pursued flight training. I definitely don’t regret it, and I hope you enjoy the training along the way as much as I did!
@@wrxpilot oooof yikes indeed at that unintentional pun haha. wow, so glad to hear you ended up in a 911 instead, still a boxer, but def in another league ;) I still have my WRX and an E46 M3 now, Porsche is def the next frontier!
glad to hear you don't regret it! What did you do on your pathway to 1500 hours to build those hours?
@@KuostA Almost all flight instruction, followed by some 135 SIC time. I would love to drive an E46 M3 someday!
Agreed Cap!
"He'd randomly push buttons in order to appear to be doing something, that's worth remembering."
Yes, yes, I think I'll remember that. For life.
A good friend of mine used to fly the 767 for this airline and he once told me that the inadvertent activation of the TOGA switch/button was not an infrequent occurrence, due to its location. I feel so much for that poor jumpseater pilot, he quite literally just chose the wrong flight with the wrong crew. I believe he had a new wife with a young child/baby as well which just makes this unbelievably heartbreaking.
P.S. I suppose I should add that accidentally activating the TOGA button would not normally cause this outcome of a crash. The chain of events starting with a completely (criminally in my humble opinion) incompetent FO was a disaster waiting to happen with this pilot.
Trust me: Pushing the TOGA switch inadvertently is a very rare occurence on the 757/767!
The last time I was this early, the TSA didn't exist yet.
lol
Welcome! I’m so happy to have you here early!
@@MentourPilot Thanks a bunch!
😂
Lmaooo
I knew and have flown with the captain numerous times at a previous airline. He was a great person. RIP Ricky.
He should’ve kicked Jules out of the cockpit.
Great person but horrible pilot
@@Tony_417 th real horrible pilot here was the FO not the captain. This just unfolded way too quickly
@@Tony_417 It wasn't the pilot, it was the FO
@@Tony_417 tell us you didn't watch the full video or can't comprehend what happened without telling us 😂
So the FO was so inept, he didn't even know to override his internal senses to look at the instruments while flying in ifr conditions. Unreal.
It is not unreal when you know what race he is.
@@dariovukojevic926 race has nothing to do with one's incompetence.
@@vero_lubi It has. That's why majority of the pilots are white men. Those other men and women are less competent and dumber.
Honestly, it's hard to say that the lack of a data base had much to do with this. The pilot in question showed plenty of warning signs within the Atlas training program.
It clearly did because his employer WASN'T notified of his previous training failures that showed a prolonged pattern of incompetence and incredibly bad instincts when put under pressure!
@@MundaneThingsBackwards Right. But he also showed all those traits within his current companies program. It was there to see if they wanted to see it.
@@MundaneThingsBackwards They would have hired him anyway.
It's completely insane that a people would falsify their own competence in a situation which would clearly cause their own life to be not just in mortal danger, but almost CERTAIN death level danger!
This is absolute proof that some pathological liars are literally incapable of actually evaluating reality at all.
All of the Captains that flew with him did a debrief after every flight, his pattern would have been common knowledge at the company, if he was viewed as unsafe to a level where he had to to go the only thing stopping his departure was HR and the threat of a lawsuit.
@Michael Allen given it was 2019 you could add the activists and media as additional reasons for no one being prepared to fire him.
@@Wintermute909 "the activists"😵💫wtf dude
@@Wintermute909what? Was it a black guy that’s the only way your comment makes a little sense
You're right
I'm a student pilot always looking to improve, and you by far have the best content on the internet that breaks down these accidents in full detail.
That’s what we are trying to do. Glad you think so!
@@MentourPilot accident analysation is a good thing to do as a student pilot so you don't make the mistakes other pilots did or so you know what to do so you can react earlier in case of emergency even if you are in shock from the emergency you at least know what to do before something bad happens a good example for this is us airlines flight1549 if the pilots would've not done done the emergency for the first time in a real aircraft they would've been able to react quicker this is still different to doing it in the sim and reaction time will not be as fast as in the sim as you know what's gonna happen but its still gonna be helpful to know for example the first thing sully did was turn on the apu even though he hadn't opened up his checklist yet if he wouldn't have done that things may have been worse. (he did that out of instinct cos if engine power is lost you need to restore that so you start the apu and/or bring the ram air turbine out ) idk if this made any sense
Love your forever a student attitude Dylan.
I used to be a nervous flier. Weirdly enough, seeing Petter's explanations of why accidents have happened has basically stopped. my fear. While accidents are always terrible, they're rare, and I feel that the industries involved are generally getting better and better as time goes on, in part because there's so much emphasis on learning from past mistakes.
Petter's explanations of what happens in each incident, as well as how pilots train for such situations and how they know how to avoid them, tells me just how much training and knowledge the people in the cockpit have, and that's immensely comforting.
I also find the methods described here to be general good rules for creating a positive and supportive work environment, and would encourage Petter to consider writing a paper or book for management students. It would be far more entertaining than some of what I had to read for my masters. 😁😁😁
I write software and have used insights from these videos to improve general fault tolerance and test all of my assumptions for functional inputs, outputs and overall state.
I reckon I could even get a plane stabilised and, with ATC/radio pilot help, landed after watching these videos 😋
EASILY the best aviation content online 👍
p.s. I will always believe the imminent stall warning over the overspeed one and go nose down more thrust 🤷♂️
What’s really crazy is the family of the FO Conrad Aska is suing Atlas and Amazon claiming negligence of failing to ensure the pilots were properly trained. If anything it should be the families of the other two pilots that should sue.
Delusional parents breed delusional kids
They should sue America in general for pushing the idea that we are all equal and there is only “1 race the human race”. There’s an extremely real cognitive differences between sub Saharans and other people. To deny this is to deny science. The Bell Curve explains this, their baseline is far lower than ours. It’s genetic. It can’t be fixed with better upbringing. We’ve been saying that for 50 years. Genetics take thousands of years to evolve/adapt.
I get atlas air, but prime air?!? All prime air did was lend the aircraft to atlas air
to be fair they are right in that he SHOULD have been properly trained.... but it's rich coming from them. still, very sad to lose a son like that..
@@Zombiesfromjupiter their son should have stayed in his lane and done something more in line with his brainpower
“…he would sometimes react by just randomly starting to push buttons…” This sent a chill down my spine!
I can't help but feel angry about the root cause of this crash. That FO should never have been in the cockpit. He had no awareness of his own limitations, and if he did he choose to ignore it. Why do we always have to put systems in place to protect us from ourselves??
He's just like Biden, too bad our systems couldn't protect us against him.
Self-protection is our responsibility as long as we live, but woe to thise who by lazy negligence failed their parts in a collective effort to keep utter fools like that first officer from destroying the lives of others, and woe a hundred times over on the first officer himself.
Tbh the captain was also acting pretty foolish having next to no situational awareness while typing coordinates in and even after he tries moving the aircraft. I mean, imagine suddenly seeing the plane plummeting to the ground and you pull on the stick for a solid 10 seconds without ever looking up at the co pilot to see if he’s doing anything.
From ourselves? No. From them.
His kind was brought over from a place that didn’t even have 2nd story buildings when other cultures had vast castles and were traveling the globe.
They never engineered the modern world, they have no business thinking they can keep up with us or do the difficult jobs that we literally invented
He was a racial quota affirmative action hire. We need to allow things like this in order to correct previous discrimination.
I swear, 9/10 of these crashes could have been avoided if people would just look at their primary flight displays. And yes, I wrote this comment before this was the apparent problem. It's every time.
Exactly. There's got to be a way to prevent those people from ever getting access to a cockpit.
Totally agree. I failed to understand why dont pilots look at the instruments especially when they have so much training and flying hours.
@Ash Khan Maybe there is too much focus during simulator training on dealing with complex system malfunctions instead of checking up on basic fundamental flying skills, like checking your attitude indicator.
@@VNAV_PTH the trouble is WHAT? Something akin to MCAS.🙀. All this stuff has it’s place but it really doesn’t replace being capable of FLYING THE AIRPLANE. In the end it still revolves around basic capabilities. If you aren’t proficient enough you simply don’t belong there.
@@drizler Yes
Something about there being a jump seat pilot makes this feel so much more heartbreaking. Those other two pilots took the time and care to make sure they had all the skills, training and experience necessary , yet the pure incompetence of that FO and those who put him there still killed them. If the jump seat pilot had been flying with the captain instead, they’d still be here today.
So sorry for the passengers, pilots and their families. This was unacceptable and I hope people learn from this. Tests and rules are there for a reason. Pushing people through gets others killed.
The extra frustrating thing, is that this kinda database isn't exactly hard. There are free, open-source databases that can already handle this sort of task just fine (and I have to assume, are already in routine government use elsewhere). The fact that it took so long for PRD to be implemented is beyond negligence - it's an outright dereliction of duty on the part of the FAA.
It's because the FAA is regulatory captured, and I wouldn't be surprised to find out one of the biggest critics would be Amazon/Atlas even though this kind of thing is within their core competency. It's simply a cost cutting measure which they are even better at than making DBs.
A lot of people say "You can do anything you put your mind to." That's simply not true. This story should be a lesson in accepting your limitations and recognizing when you just aren't up to a particular aspiration.
AMEN
One of the greatest aviation youtube channels on the platform. We all appreciate the effort put into the videos, keep it up!
Thanks a ton! 💕💕
@@MentourPilot hope to see you at the airport sometime
Yes, absolutely outstanding. I'm a frustrated pilot due to health reasons, but it's amazing how much we can engage in the complexities of commercial aviation - not only from MP's unparalleled analysis, but the ability to learn through very accurate simulations, like those from PMDG for Boeing.
Been watching your detailed and well thought out analysis for several months now. As a former member of the armed forces and cross country trucker I can tell you many times you talk about how the human body works in stressful situations. No one is born how to drive a semi no more than how to fly a plane, these are learned skills just as handling stressful situations with a clear mind. Unfortunately the only way to adjust and perform exceptionally in stressful situations is to be in them and almost constantly be in a minor state of uncomfortableness so it’s second nature and one less factor to influence one’s decisions. Almost a learned skill to have a clear mind in the face of potential disasters.
i can only feel sadness for the captain and jumpseat pilot. looking up and thinking that somehow FO decided to pitch the aircraft straight down into the ground is INSANITY. so hard to grasp what's going on...
Especially since he didn't bother to check if his inputs were having the desired effect through his instruments. Literally going off "feel" alone while literally flying blind. Insanity.
It is CRAZY to me that with the instruments in front of them, some pilots don't immediately look to them to get their actual bearings.
Trust. They don't trust because they don't understand the basic concepts of how and why they work. Pilots who don't trust instruments are Lazy. Bottom line. Too lazy to study up on them, learn what makes them tick and why they need to trust them. Experienced pilots trust their instruments. Skippy boy F.O.'s still rely on Visual Flight Clues from outside of the cockpit to fly. Bottom line, the F.O. either didn't trust the Attitude display or was inept and couldn't understand what it was telling him.
@@murdockdacoon2055 I would guess he's inept based on what happened here and his tendency to try and hide his past failures.
I always wonder why they don't look down at their instruments as well because that seems like the first thing you'd want to look at in the Aviate, Navigate, Communicate pipeline.
Agree entirely, these instruments are the bible in a loss of orientation emergency situation. The behaviour of the Captain is inexplicable. Total incompetence.
@@torrokasparov2210 Good analogy, And good points to everyone.
Specially since they cannot see shit from outside
I’ve been waiting on this one! This plane crashed about a mile away from my camp house (you can only access it by water) in the trinity bay marsh. This is a weekend getaway so it was by chance we were even out there! The sound it made when it plunged into the marsh was unbelievable! We immediately jumped in the boats and headed to the wreckage. When we arrived there wasn’t anything left except some twisted sheet metal and lost of packages! Many of these packages were clothing, so upon first arrival, we initially thought the clothing were passengers! RIP the crew!
I can only imagine your relief when you found out that it wasn't scores of dead people! Three deaths is indeed a tragedy but it beats the hell out of an entire loaded passenger jet.
@@thesisypheanjournal1271 Indeed it was a relief, it was quite the experience!
So... did the parts scatter throw a kilometre or so?
I mean.. Potter said so.. so they must have.
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But was it apparent at that time? given the marshy terrain.
@@sailaab there was small shrapnel everywhere. Parts and pieces washed up on the banks for months after. They actually had about a mile radius of the marsh secured off while they were doing their investigation, luckily my camp was just outside of the radius. The majority of the plane was buried in the marsh though on first arrival, I wish I had a way to post pictures in the comments.
Do you by any chance have my Amazon package?
I'm not a pilot but if I were, the last thing I would take my eyes off in an emergency is the attitude indicator. That FO was not suitable for flying at all.
A couple of weeks ago I was day dreaming at a long red light, out of the corner of my eye the car next to me rolled up a few feet. It startled me into jamming down hard on the brakes, which were on, thinking my car was rolling backwards. Armchair pilot. Thank you for the way you break down how things breakdown. Helps me on those days at work when the question is How did it get this far and nobody noticed it.
Bifocal contact lenses will do that to you as well. Dark night no peripheral lighting coming up a stop light out in unlit area. You can feel you’re coasting to a stop at 5 mph and actually be going 25. That’s why I refer to them as a beer goggles . It’s a very odd sensation made worse by the fact it happens so very rarely as does Spatial Disorientation flying.
Yes Bill . Same thing happened to me. Amazing how quick you can react when you think something
really bad has happened..!
Whenever I watch one of these accident breakdowns, it’s mind-blowing how quickly the state of the flight can go from fine to out-of-control. Most people can’t respond to this much input at once and in just a few seconds, and that pilots can-at least in most cases-is amazing.
Put a different way, it's kind of incredible how training can hone someone's mental processing and help them sift out which inputs are more or less important and recall how to react (and also, which inputs/reflexes not to trust).
Also illustrates how important good training (and regular retraining) is in flying, given how many incidents have been linked to gaps in curricula or practice. The mind can be engineered into an extremely efficient processor of complex information, but it needs checks and maintenance just like any other part of the aircraft.
This case is comparable to installing a counterfeit part in the aircraft because of supply chain deficiencies - may not be noticeable in normal operation, but fails when you rely on it most.
or the more reason to get rid of pilots all together and flying over to the computers
@clive kibbler which are also designed by imperfect humans.
@@Noordledoordle Agreed. There have been a few instances where sensors failed and the computers gave control back to the pilots because with sensors, automation doesn't work. The pilots were able to save those aircraft in most cases.
Should have read withOUT sensors, automation doesn't work
I work on one of the military TAWS/GPWS systems. It is a point of pride for us that there are pilots alive today as a direct result of systems like ours. Not patting ourselves on the back - it can always be made better, but knowing that there are spouses, children, parents, etc.,who did not lose their loved one that day is a powerful motivator.
I know the feeling - I played a (very) small role in the development/implementation of TCAS II.
I figure given the number of lives likely saved by TCAS, I must be credited with saving at least one life due to my work. It’s the thing in life I am most proud of.
@@unlocated7448 As you have every right to be.
work for Northrop Grumman?
Congratulations to you. When I watched the aerial collision of the DHL aeroplane I had major respect for the TCAS system. Its unbelievable how a system like this works.
@@unlocated7448 According to my FO at the time, TCAS saved my life. I never saw the plane we were about to collide with at our 3 o'clock position. We got a TRAFFIC TA and RA almost simultaneously at a relatively low altitude (2 or 3000 feet as I recall). It was my leg and he grabbed the yoke and yanked it back, hard. He then looked at me with an ashen face and said, "you got it". He was convinced we would have collided without that warning.
I'm 64 years old. Without a doubt, you are the most talented story teller on the planet! You make us a part of the story. I just don't have the words. You Rock!
Love your way of breaking down these accidents. You do a very thorough job. Keep up the great work. It’s really good for airline pilots to hear your analysis…. Learning never stops.
Really sad accident. Beyond the loss of life of the pilot in the jump seat and the captain, I also of course feel really bad for the FO. I know this is going to be an initially less critical view compared to most other comments (and I agree with everyone else btw) but he essentially lost his life because the FAA and his employer failed to stop him from living his dream of flying. I see reddit posts on r/flying every now and then of pilots who are having a hard time with advanced training and wonder if flying is for them and talk about how much they want to succeed and keep going despite stage/check/type failures. I imagine this pilot sort of like them, knowing he's had some challenges but convincing himself he can learn from them so that he can continue to fly. He probably had people around him telling him to not give up.
With that said, It's unacceptable for him to have omitted such key information in his application and I cannot imagine pilots not using the attitude indicator during IMC conditions.
I'm only a student pilot close to going on my checkride, so I haven't even started instrument training. I'm not going to pretend I know what its like to know what disorientation in IMC feels like but its so hard for me to not be extremely confused at how the instruments were ignored in IMC despite the fact that this all happened very quickly. Sad, sad, sad all around.
Totally agree.
Very humanistic and humble comment. You have the right attitude to be a great pilot.
I understand and agree with your comment about possibly his wanting to succeed and thinking he will learn and improve along with others maybe encouraging him to keep trying. But there is a time when you have to accept that your best may not be enough and even if you want it very badly, or convince yourself that you have to achieve it, does not mean that you should. I was in a situation that my weaknesses were ill suited to the job I was doing and it was dangerous even though I thought I could learn to do better. I also had some one telling me not to give up just because it became difficult. I was fired after some repeat accidents (that were minor) but could have easily been more serious and either way caused damage to company property. I am glad I was fired because it was best for all. But I won’t say that I wasn’t ashamed or upset with myself and the situation. If I wasn’t trying so hard to make it work I should have seen that I needed to walk away. I really wished it would have worked out, but I try to be open and honest to myself and others that it wasn’t a good fit. Now I will not pursue any certain types of jobs that that my weaknesses could conflict with (now that I know my weaknesses and how they may conflict in regards to safety), It is safer that way. But hard for me to admit.
This is why joining the Airforce or the Navy to become a pilot is practically a litmus test for who's got the right stuff. However, if you check out CW Lemoine on RUclips. He has a series called Make Them Tell You NO. He explains the process on how those that don't pass all the tests on the first pass what they can possibly do to succeed. But, something tells me that no matter how badly this FO wanted to fly. He probably would have washed out anyway. The Airforce makes you do something called Stand-up. They make you recite scenarios ver batum. They are pretty strict with getting the compliance right. It definitely takes more than just having the aviation bug to do this job. There is an old axiom in aviation. NEVER LET A PLANE TAKE YOU TO WHERE YOUR HEAD HASN'T BEEN BEFORE. Expect the unexpected and always be diligent and prepared for anything.
He lost his life because people are afraid to tell blacks they aren’t qualified. We’re afraid of being racist. Or being sued for being racist. If a black person is too dumb to keep up, we can’t say it anymore. We can’t fire them for it. That’s why society is in the crapper and that’s why this black guy thought he could be a pilot when he didn’t have the IQ
I've always loved flying, never been a nervous flyer, but it really is terrifying just how quickly things can go so disastrously wrong when you're in the air. Fantastic job of explaining things as usual!
Watching this while my husband is in the air on business, a little bit nervous
@@ginkat1318 Freud: 🧐 Tell me more
Always focus on what's probable rather than what's possible. Flying is the safest way to travel.
Can go just as wrong just as quickly on the road. Sure one car accident is unlikely to have the same implications for so many people at once, but the sheer number of accidents makes driving many orders of magnitude more risky than flying commercially. More people have likely died driving to and from the airport than flying (I could be wrong on that stat, as I am just guesstimating.. but you get what I mean).
Things usually go pear shaped much more quickly on the road than in the air. Fractions of a second vs a minute or more.
I am not a pilot, but this is my new RUclips obsession... You are so good at this work, and the subject is very interesting. I do wish they were more like 20 minutes, but I can see why you take the time you do.
There are other channels that show the same incidents in a more abbreviated version. Mayday ,just planes...
@@sharoncassell5273 Bruh Mayday is garbage lmao.
He talks to much, lots of unnecessary parts.
No way I love the long videos, there isn't enough long form content on RUclips nowadays. Perhaps there's some TikTok videos that summarize these incidents if you're interested?
You do such a great job on these videos. Thanks for the hard work that goes into them !!!
This illusion happened to me while on an L-1011 a long time ago. We went into a cloud and I was looking out of the window suddenly I lost since of direction and felt that we were pitching backward and was losing control. I started to get scared, but saw that everything was fine when we were out of the cloud and flying straight and level. That was a real strange feeling.
This doesn't surprise me if your flying is anything like your spelling. What airline do you work for so I can avoid it hahaha.
@@goodbyemr.anderson5065 Nice comment bro, but I was half asleep when I type my previous comment in lol
@@TQGraham11 I'm not a pilot, but I have had many post-coffee regrets about my pre-coffee comments over the years.
@@warrensteel9954 lol nice
@@anjou6497 Somatogravic illusion
I´m extremely terrified of flying, have been most of my life. I have had troubles getting into airplanes just because i was shaking so much. I thought binging on a channel that explains Aircraft Disasters would surely not make it better but i just couldn´t stop my interest. Starting to understand how these machines work, how people deal with them and what can go wrong (and why it goes wrong) actually helped me a lot. Not understanding something just brings so much fear. Long story short, i stepped into a short distance flight 2 weeks ago, arrived safely, and made the trip back. I probably was still as white as a ghost, but i managed to get in, and even relaxed some when we were just cruising. I love this channel and how well he explains everything.
If it makes you feel better, it's become my understanding that the things that seem to be the most dangerous, like airplanes or roller coasters, are the ones that are the most meticulously checked. Because people understand their ability to be dangerous, they do everything they can to prevent deadly situations from happening.
Unfortunately, the US airline industry suffered a lot of senior pilot retirements and it is in a rush to hire anybody who barely meet the requirements. I am afraid there will be more pilots falling through the crack. Just look at the many recent near collisions at various major US airports. Many of them involved low cost airline and feeder airlines. These small airlines tend to hire the least experience pilots because as the pilots gain more experience, they move up to the big airlines such as United. I hope we don't see a major airline accident but I am not confident in the current state of airline safety.
That’s awesome, congrats for overcoming that fear of flying
Most people in your shores would drive, perhaps never leave the country
Now that you made the short flight
You should get sone Xanax and take a flight to Europe, go exploring
My brother and I have the philosophy that every time we get in a plane we are already doomed, and going to die. We relinquish all control over our situation and accept our fate. It makes the flight easier. Then we land and we take back control of our fate.
People generally have a fear of what they don't understand, so understanding it often makes them less fearful.
This channel has opened my eyes giving me a glimpse, more than that, an insider view of commercial aviation and how every can go wrong in just a few seconds.
Pilots really must love doing what they do to accept that every day at work their lives will depend on their coworkers on things that they have absolute no control over, their personality, response to stressful situations, even thing like their perception of movement by their inner ears and the decision from the company they work for that decide to hire someone or not.
I was terrified of flying before I found your videos. I would do my best to hide my tears on takeoff and landing but it never worked if the there was anyone in the seat next to me. Today I was on a 737-800 landing in MSP with a wind advisory and I felt the adrenaline rush but I had confidence in the plane and the pilots. I just wanted to thank you for all you've done to calm my fears.
I feel the same way.
@NHL 2K10 While it is true plane crashes do still happen, it is much more likely to die in a car crash on the way to watch the Maple Leafs get destroyed by the Islanders.
@NHL 2K10According to the IATA a person would have to fly every day for 10K years to be involved in a fatal airplane incident. Its just math.
If you're afraid of flying I say definitely drive if it makes you feel better. But don't try and fight facts with feelings lol. You are in control until someone going 120 mph runs a redlight and tbones you.
@NHL 2K10 That is what you literally just said.
As a student Pilot, it really saddens me to see how many of these accidents could have been avoided if the pilot had focused on flying the plane, looking at their instruments, and taking a pause to evaluate the situation. Every time I put my headset on I repeat to myself "Aviate, Navigate, Communicate"
The first officer was essentially trying to hide his inability to do just that.
Hell yes. That is the focus that is needed! Good on you.
I don't understand why the captain did not take over?
You'd think some of these things would be obvious and/or second nature but, based on this guy's abhorrent history, he clearly didn't have a clue what he was doing. He had no business being in control of a real airplane. Feel terrible for those two poor souls who were unlucky enough to get stuck in the cockpit with him.
That's a strange conclusion you got from this accident... focussing on flying the plane was exactly what the pilot was doing. Except he did it with his gut feeling, instead of relying on his instruments.
Seems he didn't have enough instrument flying training and relied too much on visual flying. He messed up in the clouds and only recovered getting out of the clouds. Except then it was too late.
New subscriber bingeing your back catalogue, and I have already been trained to be nervous when I hear; '... this will soon become important.'
Tragic situation but once again I truly appreciate your videos and how in depth they are.
Captain Ricky was from the small town that my older sister lives here in Indiana, by all accounts he was a good dude and a proficient captain. Atlas has suffered some really bad accidents in the past several years. My heart goes out to all the families and the company. With hindsight and the safety of being on the ground, I was squirming in my seat knowing what was coming next given their attitude, altitude and rates and the final outcome. Got to not only trust those instruments, but bother to look at them in the first place. I know people hate automation and think it’s producing bad pilots, but better ground warning and even machine overriding people may be where we are headed, and that honestly may not be so bad in the long run…
not good enough i guess.
Affirmative action crash, here your title
Lol clearly you are not a pilot
I mean to be fair this was caused by a stupid feature whose purpose I literally cannot fathom beyond pilots being so stupid and lazy these days they need to push a button to... advance the throttle and pull back on the stick? That's what the Go-Around feature is for? What is asking them to fly the plane just too inconvenient, are they filming TikTok videos up there?
Man, I'm sure it hurts and is absolutely crushing to be told you're not suitable to be a pilot, but dude, they're not trying to hurt your feelings or crush your dreams, they're trying to prevent you from getting yourself and others killed. 😞 I am probably similarly reactive; I am very easily startled -- does that make me unsuitable? Yes!! It does!! I could never be a pilot!! And that's fine!
I believe that fear can be trained out of you. The first thing it require is self awareness and honesty. After that, copious amounts of training followed by drills by a professional and stern instructor. Unfortunately in aviation that means tens of thousands of dollars out of your own pocket. It’s not impossible, but the desire to be a safe pilot has to be much stronger than primal fear.
I’m not lecturing you specifically btw, I’m just commenting to encourage anyone reading this that they can do it if they understand and accept for some people it’s natural, for others calmness under stress is a skill earned only with tears and dedication
Great video. I'm a new subscriber and I really appreciate a lot of things about your videos - including the separate yellow "sponsor message timeline" that appears during your sponsor messages. Keep up the great work!
The FO had some scathing check reviews that you tastefully left out. The reality is he was not cut out for professional aviation and needed to be in a different career. Companies were afraid to wash him out and get sued for discrimination is my guess.
The people who celebrate Chanukah made this world the kind where an unqualified non-white person is allowed to kill people through incompetence rather than rightfully get fired with cause.
You can take the n***** out of the jungle but you can't take the jungle out of the n*****.
Do you have anything to back that up that they were afraid of getting sued?
Or do you just assume that because it fits in your worldview?
Unfortunately it's very common. Experienced this recently with a nice guy. He was at friendly and fun, but unfortunately 100% incompetent. We had to fight for 3 years to get him fired because of his ethnicity. Also dealing with this with another incompetent employee, but she's a woman, older, and prefers other women. We've been fighting for years for that one too. We gave both of these people inordinate amounts of training and 2nd chances. Not everyone cut out for some jobs. Unfortunately these companies are so afraid of getting sued, they instead choose to risk people's lives.
Would you ever want your nurse to be the least competent employee, because someone was unwilling to fire them?? It's insane.
@@Jehty21 Not a worldview. It's reality.
It’s one thing to lie about your skills and experience on your CV for an office job, but it’s a truly terrifying concept when it’s a pilot of an airliner. Such a horrific chain of events to occur for lessons to be learned. Brilliant video as always Petter x
I totally agree! Thank you
And yet we're being told - REPEATEDLY - that flying is the "safest" mode of transportation because of all the restrictions and regulations being imposed.
Nvm the fact that it couldn't defeat *simple human nature* to cover up deficiencies and prop up their resumes to land a "dream" job or your fate is sealed because the pilots wore a ginormous Fossil watch or couldn't tell up from down!!! 😭😭😭
@@aaron6806surely you understand that humans do fly an unmanned aircraft? In addition, if you know how to program the autopilot it can fly the whole flight? If anything humans are not as involved as they should be considering that there are times when automation fails and the pilot actually has to fly.
Cheers
The FAA didn’t implement the pilot database even after the date mandated by the law passed. The year was 2019, Trump was president, so it’s not surprising. Who was the head of FAA and what else FAA did NOT do in the same period? Hint: “Max”.
@@odeiraoloapWe aren't just told flying is safest - it's a fact - we have the numbers to show it. And yes it's largely due to the regulations and industry culture.
"He just would randomly start pushing buttons", oh my god.
Right that’s when I came to the comment section immediately like wtf how stupid does someone have to be to not know that’s a horrible idea? Like genuinely how did this man make it past the age of 8 without forgetting how to breathe I’m sure someone that dumb has to actually think about doing it. Such a sad story and a scary one if they’re letting pilots this stupid fly planes.
As always. Awesome work stig. Keep not apologizing in the videos. I’m glad company allows you to do this.
I flew with the Captain at my regional several times. He was a wonderful personality and a great Captain. So sad. Pilots, be aware of how fast things can go South. 31 seconds is all it took. :(
Sally, you have an awesome job. ..!!!
Was just watching some of your old breakdowns Mentour and the progression of these videos in just a few short years is nothing short of astounding. From a pilot sitting on his couch retelling these crazy stories, to a full scale feature production with an incredible depth of research, real scans of all the relevant paper records and documents, beautiful transitions and textual information, all the right stock footage to add context, and downright INCREDIBLE simulator animations with an unbelievable commitment to detail. The work you and your team put into these videos do not go unnoticed.
Great comment Rick.....totally agree with you! !
Thanks for the comment that I didn't have to make. Good job Sir.
Amazing channel that I came across recently and can't stop watching all the videos. Just brilliantly explained. Even a non pilot like me can understand and appreciate how amazing the content is.! I'm just at loss of words! Thanks a lot captain. You're amazing!
P.s. I'm suprised this channel doesn't have some 100M followers!! You deserve all the success!
I have been binging your videos. I love how detailed you are and how you explain how these crashes happen. I'm also learning so much about airplanes while I'm at it.
17:42 This kind of links back to what he said about personality earlier. It is very common for people with certain personality types to blame “their tools” instead of recognising what they’re doing wrong, and that makes it very hard to teach them anything. Effectively they think they know best so if anything deviates from their own beliefs it is that that is incorrect and not them. The most common place you’ll see this in everyday life is the person you know (who is very often wrong in general about things and make lots of assumptions) using phones of computers. It always seems they have problems with “gremlins” as if someone writes the software they’re using wrong or what happens on everyone else’s is different from theirs.
Put simply they never think “I must be doing something wrong” they instead think the equipment they’re using is unreliable and act based on that assumption. And when you do that you create even more problems that didn’t exist before your intervention.
True. And when you don’t acknowledge that you did something wrong, you don’t correct your approach, and you make the same mistake again and again. I always tell junior colleagues - you’re human and you’re going to make mistakes; the key is to learn from them.
The other problem is when a program or method is released flawed and someone experiences it failing either first or more often than not within the first handful of uses. It results in people not trusting systems when their justifiable experience says they shouldn't, even when these problems have been solved
True. I've been in my profession nearly 30 years with endless continuing training and development but still have to keep reminding myself that I'm an ape largely operating subconsciously based on habits which could very well be wrong.
Accidents like this seem to make the case for there to be three-person cockpits - two pilots and a navigator/flight engineer. There have been several accident videos where the pilot monitoring was so busy managing the systems that it was impossible to maintain situational awareness. Of course, the airlines are pushing for one-man cockpits, which strikes me as insane. Thank you for these incredibly well-researched and put-together videos.
There were 3 in the cockpit
Normal approach made deadly by 1) thunder storms on approach 2) ATC changing things 3) an accidental TOGA activation 4) sudden loss of forward vision.
They soon will be for no crew in cockpit. With some ai autopilot who needs human captain anyway? Yeah... Everything for economy...
@@reboot5598 I understand that there was someone in the jump seat. I am not a pilot and may be completely wrong, but my sense from the video was that he had no role or responsibility as to the flight.
@@mrmorris01 Exactly, and you make a good point. The third pilot was merely a passenger on this flight, but still managed to make the right call. Had he had a formally assigned role the accident probably wouldn't have happened. If airlines move to single pilot flying I'd be tempted to stop flying altogether.
You know i really love to see the difference between your first video about this topic and this one. Love seeing the growth of your channel and the increase in production quality. Keep up the amazing work!
Imagine dying because someone else's massive stupidity. I hope I go out under better circumstances.
Petter you do such a phenomenal job researching these unfortunate accidents and breaking them down in a way that everyone can understand and aviation fans like myself really appreciate! You must be a fantastic instructor in the sim and the classroom! Thank you so much for all that you do!
Thank YOU for your support!
Petter even inspires me to learn how to fly! ( a grandmother)!
As sad as this accident is, I'm so glad it was a cargo plane and not a passenger plane.
My thought exactly--I somehow didn't catch that at the beginning but then realized when you made no mention of it. So sad for the jumpseat traveler. What kind of arrogant, uncaring person repeatedly fails evaluations& then lies about it to get a job, as the 1st officer did, when that job is so critical? He wasn't selling used cars, he had lives in his hands & had to know he was incompetent. Even worse, Atlas Air is still in business and does passenger charters! Why were they not denied whatever certification needed after this?
@@vintagelady1 Atlas way had no way of checking his records because he didn't tell them.
@@ketchup901 They did know that he'd failed an upgrade and some other black mark. There is a wonderful invention called the telephone that a company can use to call previous employers if there is any question about someone's performance on a job as important as this one. Should have been done, esp. as Atlas does charter passenger flights.
@@vintagelady1 That they could have used to ring up his previous employer that he left out of his resumé to instead claim that he had been studying at a university?
@@vintagelady1 Many, probably majority of the people are cheaters. This pilot is no worse, just has more severe consequences. There's nothing but a mere thin line between dishonestly selling cars and flying a plane.
I just wanted to say that I love the two channels that you have going (Mentour Pilot and Mentour Now) even while I'm not a pilot but love travel. I think it's great that people can be educated on why flying is so much safer than even riding in a car. I also have to hand it to you pilots out there I don't think I could handle the stress as I just can't do stress well. All of you doing your best to follow the rules out there are doing great jobs. Thank you for doing your best to keep the skies safe as well as friendly.
Goes to show hiring should be based only on who is the best candidate, not for affirmative action reasons or other considerations.
One has to wonder due to all of his prior shenanigans whether a pilot trainee who did not meet any dei check boxes would have fared. Would that person have been ferreted out much sooner and with no 5th or 12th chance at re-entering a vocation that he was clearly unqualified for?
Sometimes people suck at their job. Every mf who isn't white isn't an AA hire lol what a dumb ass ideology lol he sucked. So every white pilot who sucks I can blame on...what three letter acronym do I get to use as a crutch for my bigotry? 😂
"when faced with a situation he wasn't expecting, he would sometimes respond by just randomly pushing buttons"
😳
well it's what happened in this video
How Homer Simpson would stop nuclear meltdowns
I think he took it to literally as how to save the day🤣🤣🤣
That one sentence sort of says it all doesn’t it. A pilot who panics like that just doesn’t belong there period!
Ive seen it happen firsthand
Thank God he didn't run a nuclear plant
U don't play by wack a mole
He was just kidding
Was flying with a former Atlas pilot on the day of this accident. We were headed to the hotel when he got a call from someone asking if he was OK… Next thing you know we’re all on google trying to find out info about what happened. Later found out he & Blakely knew each other.
We study these accidents for every ounce of information we can learn from them, but nothing ever prepares you for the emotional toll that comes when one actually happens.
RIP Ricky, Conrad, and Sean.
Blakey shouldn't have trusted his life on Blackey
I can imagine this.
@@cold_jay Elaborate!
@@gavinsingh4450he’s saying that because the first officer was black… poor taste imo
@@cold_jayWhile this comment is definitely in poor taste there is in fact an issue with diversity hiring practices in US aviation. This issue has only gotten worse since the pilot shortages following the pandemic. There is corporate pressure in US airlines to foster and support African American pilots which is not a bad thing in and of itself except that the pool of candidates is so small. This means that in situations where a candidate would otherwise be encouraged to leave the industry, below standard pilots that are African American are simply put through more training. I fear this practice won't change until we see an accident similar to the one in this video with a passenger plane.
Thanks for the details. You are very good at making complicated information understandable.
Your accident reports are not only very interesting to watch, but also very helpful for aspiring airline pilots. It really helps for me and others to know about these types of issues and problems that are unavoidable just due to us being humans. Thank you so much Mentor!
FO couldn't pass any exams yet was trying to upgrade to captain status. People are sick in this world.
We all know the reason he was passed up the line, but we are not allowed to talk about it
@@Dagustind You are alluding to affirmative action. AA was put in place to provide a leveled playing field, how it became an excuse for promoting total incompetent bastards I will never tell. However, with or without AA nearly every field have people in it who cause more harm than good.
I could never be an Airline Pilot, I was so distracted thinking about why Petter mentioned the "nice large wrist watch" of the first officer, speculating wether Petter is a fan of classy wrist watches, trying to remember his clothing style at the Pilot Expo ... then I woke up hearing you talk about a cold front 🤣
I also was like “could he hear his watch on the CVR or like huh?” Then it all made sense 🤣
Yep.. and that wrist watch played a role later on… 😉
@@MentourPilot But wearing wrist watches must be a normal thing for pilots, even considered mandatory equipment as they are so useful?
I thought the sponsor was going to be a watch maker! :D
@@MentourPilot did they change Watch policy at all? Can you still wear them?
So if the activation of TO/GA would have came with an audio warning of "TO/GA activated!" this all could have been avoided. There should be an audio warning anytime an important system that impacts the flight of the airplane is activated, so accidental activations can be easily noticed. There should also be an "autopilot emergency" button which would allow the autopilot to take complete control of the plane and allow it to figure out the best course of action and implement it, just to get the aircraft flying normally again.
You explain things so well. It takes great skill to be a pilot. Some accidents I’ve listened has me asking who is flying the plane.
This accident is just incredible really , so avoidable on every level . They took a very serviceable jet and flew it into the bay and I know it was a cargo carrier but there will be agonising grief for many years to come .
Yes exactly. ⚘️
This is proof that wokeness is a terminal disease. But hey, at least the DEI officers at Atlas can pat themselves on the back for scoring some Blackrock ESG points.
@@hamsteramaThey need punishment- it’s _their_ fault and whoever passed him after seeing him (or any student) randomly stabbing at buttons in an EXAM situation (so not day one).
@@hamsteramaget a life bro what are you even talking about
@@junyaiwase I'm very sorry to hear that you're on your period, and you've run out of tampons. If you're too embarrassed to go to the store to get more, you can ask a friend to go to the store and buy tampons for you.
I was always a somewhat nervous passenger but I still flew relatively often because the world is big and I wanted to see as much of it as possible. Almost exactly 8 years ago there was an event which pushed my nervousness into a full on phobia and I haven't flown since then.
I've been home sick with a lung infection and by chance RUclips suggested me a Mentour Pilot video. I watched, got hooked, and have been binging. Not only have I learned more about aircraft than I ever thought I would, I can actually imagine myself boarding an aircraft again in the future.
Thank you Petter, I'm a big fan ♥️
Same happened with me. We were flying a connection in a small jet from JFK or Laguardia to Pittsburgh and we were sent too soon behind a big jet, and nearly fell out of the sky. Felt like we hit something when we caught lift again. People were crying, it was horrifying.
Flight attendant deadheading was on our bus in the lot and said it scared the hell out of her and that she never experienced anything like it. So, it was definitely a close call. Wasn't all of us just being overly dramatic. When I got home I searched some and similar happened before there and that plane crashed. Flight 587 I believe was the one that crashed. I haven't flown since.
I always see these comments and think the opposite. Seeing how a perfect aircraft can crash thanks to a bad judgement/stupidity/arrogance of a person/people makes me more nervous to fly.
Seriously I don't understand how watching a video like this makes you less nervous.
Edit: by ''you'' I don't mean OP who made the comment, I hope the person overcomes her fears and is able to fly again as it's super safe etc, I mean people in general who make these comments. Not trying to be rude.
One of the recommended ways to overcome fear of flying is to become a pilot. Once you understand what's going on it's a lot less terrifying. That's what talk show host/standup comic Craig Ferguson did -- though whether my emailed suggestion prompted him or he got the idea someplace else I'll never know.
OP my experience is exactly like yours. Always an uneasy flyer, then had a terrifying experience in 2013, and since then I hardly ever flew. I actually went 5 years not seeing my parents because of this. I actually found that Mentour's videos helped me greatly - I think I've been watching them for about a year now. They've helped calm me because now instead of thinking "I don't know wtf is going on in the cockpit, we're probably dying", I can think of the pilots going through checklists, procedures, CRM etc. I managed to take 2 flights for the first time in over 5 years in November to be home for my father's 80th birthday. I hope you also find some reassurance with these videos.
@@DoesThisWork888 I used to think the same - I am more than a nervous flyer, I am actually a terrified, panic attack all the way (heart rate nearly 200) sort of flyer.
Other channels' air crash videos make me even more anxious because they make me realise that pilots are fallible like everyone else and small mistakes can crash a whole airplane and the passengers are helpless in there.
I've found Mentour's videos to have a very different effect. Because he focuses on how pilots are trained, what procedures they are meant to use, how CRM is meant to work, what regulations and protocols are in place, and learning outcomes from each accident, I find that my mind focuses on these things instead of just blindly panicking and thinking "that's it we're crashing!!" every second. For example I managed to take a flight for the first time in 5 years recently. Normally during take off the panic attack starts and I can't breathe, and all I can think of is "I'm going to die". But this time I was thinking "V1, VR, rotate, flaps up, gear up" etc and didn't even panic.
Also, planes are not perfect. Often a technical fault is part of the cascade of events leading to a fatal crash. I follow a few aviation blogs and there are serious malfunctions (e.g. engine failures, landing gear failure etc) being reported all the time.
It’s interesting to watch this series as I’ve never heard of many of these accidents before.
Back in 1970’s and 80’s whenever an air accident occurred it was really big news.
In the ten years after the war; Britain developed commercial airliners from scratch.
The Russians tried just glueing some garden furniture to the inside of their old war planes, but that never really ‘took off’!
You never got to hear about the crashes in the 50’s and early 60’s while they were trying to iron out the flaws.
The planes we have now are so incredibly well made and designed, with proper maintenance they’ll last indefinitely.
I grew up in the back of a Cessna as both parents were enthusiasts, but I’m not sorry my travelling days are now over.
Since lockdowns and financial desperation and the shockingly large amount of pilots who succumbed . I think it’d be worth sticking with airlines like KLM that take maintenance and standards really seriously- I’d avoid budget flight atm.
Thank you for another very informative video. My condolences to all involved. All the best from Sydney Australia 🇦🇺
I’m not a pilot and I’ve never sat in a cockpit. As a frequent flyer my wife keeps asking me why I watch these videos. I find that while I’m flying I can visualize the pilots and the controls with each movement of the aircraft and it gives me reassurance that all is well during flight thanks to all of your videos. However, even though your video’s are 30+ minutes long, an accident only lasts seconds. You should know that at least my suffering will be brief thanks to your channel.
That’s interesting. Generally, people fall into two camps- A. Face and understand danger B. Out of sight out of mind
I’m with you in A. I downloaded Mentour & Mayday videos for my last flight without thought. Then it dawned on me as we took off “I’m watching plane disaster videos on a plane” 😬.
When my stunned friend looked over, I said, “Oops! But, if you watch…you’d vote for a deadly plane crash over terminal cancer any day. Plus, most people survive.” That didn’t comfort him. 😂
I started watching this videos after trying playing microsoft flight simulator on my home pc. I learned a lot from this videos on how to handle the plane in the game. Even if you never seen cockpit in real life but this interested in piloting, I recommend flight sim. Works pretty well with a simple xbox controller that i been playing with. It is pretty fun, and even more fun after watching this videos. Requires a decent gaming pc thou, but maybe it is even on xbox console it self too? not sure
My wife and I have the same dynamic. I'm an engineer, and I find the systems and procedures to avoid incidents and accidents worth learning about. I fly around the world on a frequent basis for work, and my wife flies far less only for leisure. She's a nervous flyer, and I'm pretty much never worried.
@@jeffrey.a.hanson I find examining and analyzing danger...soothing.
@@jeffrey.a.hanson HA, been there in the airport antsy for a new air crash investigation video to drop and then realizing I was in an extremely inappropriate place to watch it in case I scared someone. I’m an Air Force brat, my dad is a retired pilot, and has taught me about flying since I was little. I’m not at all a nervous flyer because I understand things are a lot safer flying than they are when dealing with idiots on the road.
One of the many issues with this accident - how can a pilot go from a damning fail, to passing with just one day's extra training. I've never understood how Conrad Jules Aska was allowed to pass the type rating so quickly after a 5 point failure. This needs to stop.
page 6 of the accident report: "The examiner said the FO’s performance was so poor that he worried that the FO would be unable to “mentally recover” enough to complete the course"
It seems likely that individuals and the groups were unwilling to stick their necks out and disqualify the pilot because,eager to increase diversity in the workplace, they set this goal higher than competence and safety.
@@friendlyfire7861 ...they are prone to not having self awareness.
Diversity is our greatest strength😐😐😐
@@sheldoniusRex 🙄
Diversity hire gone wrong.
having watched a bunch of your videos by now i would love you being my teacher on a flight sim! youre so good at telling these stories and also telling people how planes work! love your vids! and greetings from Denmark
Fantastic work. A tough subject covered professionally. Very valuable. Keep it up.
I absolutely love your accident investigation videos Petter! They are so well compiled. Very professional and informative. Please keep them coming 💙
Thank you Nicholas! I will
Failing to do background checks or ignoring giant red flags, isn't a bug with Amazon Logistics contracted carriers it's a feature. During covid lockdowns for instance AMZL told carriers to stop drug testing or checking MVRs for drivers both CDL and non-cdl, and the criminal background check hasn't been real for years. They'll check everything after an incident and use it for firing but prevention is actively discouraged. So the Amazon van driver next to you on a city street could very well be driving impaired on the regular, The Amazon Tractor Trailer driver could have an otherwise unemployable accident history, and the delivery associate you let into your home while your away to make your delivery just got parole for burglary.
Exactly!! This!! People screaming DEI are completely missing the root cause that you’ve described!
@@CT5thousandlmao I love how you turned this into an opportunity to be racist and ableist, that is quite a talent
@@joyshreve1621 I think they’re saying that the people being racist are in the wrong, and that the culprit is Amazon’s profit-seeking BS.
The *delivery* people never come into homes. They just put your order at the front door, occasionally have you sign something, and leave. All the other examples make sense, but not really that one.
@@alexlents4689there was a point in time where Amazon allowed employees into your home to drop packages and food off
I've been binge watching these for a few days and I have to say, this one hurts the most to watch. I truly feel this is worse than colgan air and pinnacle air. Every pilot should feel compelled to ensure their own proficiency...not just able to pass a checkride or lie to get the job. I remember barely passing the written test for my instrument checkride and my instructor was really hard on me. He said it's not time to celebrate, it's time to get back in the books. I think this FO needed the same hard sober look at his proficiency level and he needed additional work to truly be prepared for the right seat of this airplane. My sincere condolences to their family and loved ones though. What a terrible situation.
You are such a talented and proficient presenter. Thank you for your hard work and dedication to accuracy
I previously watched another video on this very crash just a few months ago but the level of detail and your in depth explanation on why it happened just blew me away!!
A totally avoidable accident which is incredibly sad. RIP to the pilots involved 😪😪
I don't mean to speak ill of those who have passed on, but i really hope the pilot shortage does not result in more folks like this slipping through the cracks
Expect lots more of the same.
See the little kerfluffle at Austin.
Mentour pilot, your knowledge is amazing. You must be very highly respected. It's amazing at your age to be so knowledgeable and talented, that normally takes longer
I have flown into that airport all the time, I always wondered why I ended up seeing speedbreaks used there, but now I understand. The pilots on my flights likely didn't know which runway they'd be landing on and couldn't set-up as early as they like. I am also used to flying into El Paso, a very, very windy airport, somehow I haven't experience turbulence nor have I seen anything but reverse-thrust used. Interesting!
Edit: I also figured I would mention to the people talking about the third pilot not responding at all, that's likely due to him trusting the other pilots, maybe resting, or trying not to be a back-seat driver, there likely wasn't anything he could've done, other than maybe call out his observations which likely could have put the other pilots into sensory-overload, which, it sounds like they were already experiencing. The moment the TOGA button was pressed would have been the only moment he could say anything at all.
Completely agree with your comment. He would absolutely have known what a high workload situation they were in and would not have wanted to distract them. And an awful lot happened in that 31 seconds between the accidental activation of the TOGA switch and the plane hitting the ground. Frightening just how quickly things can go wrong, especially with an incompetent pilot at the controls.
Having watched the original video you did on tour accident in the early days of your accident analysis, I can really appreciate this deep dive into the nitty gritty details. Thank you for the great work you & your team do!