I really like how Tom connects all of the pieces together, the skiers form, the correction, followed by the reasoning and an exercise to try it out to develop the movement in a static and safe environment. Thanks so much!
Awesome points, I guess for me, I struggle with in keeping that outside leg from collapsing from the forces as I try and develop higher edge angles while progressing through the turn.. if that makes sense?
Thank you very much for the very specific problem solving. As a very strong skier, it's so hard to understand the small things that we do that are holding us back. The dry land break down was very helpful
Another excellent Technique Teardown. To the non-expert eye (mine) Renzo is a very good skier. The changes you suggest for him are quite subtle, but you can see in the side by side videos just what a difference they would make. I hope I can start putting this advice into practice. You end by suggesting something that was probably the best single piece of advice I have ever received from an instructor: "Switch off the over-critical part of your brain and feel what's happening. Above all smile and have fun."
Great analysis Tom! Highlighting something that I think many really advanced skiers needs to work on. My feeling is that for many years, even experienced ski instructors, got this wrong. “Getting the hip in” have gotten to much attention - and in the process of trying to flex and get the hip low the fundamentals of outside ski pressure and balance have been overlooked. The “low hip” becomes a false focus and actually hinders further progression. WELL DONE 👍
This is both excellent and timely. I have been in the mountain today using the early edging monitor. After watching this video, I wrongly assumed that early edging equates to high edge angle and this is wrong. Thank you for posting, you are helping a poor skier become slightly less poor.
Thank you very much with the advise! This is actually a multisport relevant as the over flexion of the knees ruins lower and upper body connection. It really helped me to understand why sometimes i am doing well and sometimes underperform with no particular visible reason. Additionally, it helped with my golf swing as i had my over flexion of the knees though it was only few extra degrees that affected my game.
„Switch of the overcritical part of your brain and start skiing by feel“ 👍 The more I learn about skiing, the more I understand the „how“ and „why“ of skiing, the bigger is the risk to concentrate too much on special technical stuff - at least and block myself until frustration. Good advice! Thanks! 🙏🏻
Been watching you for awhile. Just received my carv footbeds and can’t wait to try them. Your comparison and comments are right on my opinion. If I freeze the comparison of yourself and Renzo at the apex phase of the turn, stand you both up vertical and start piling weight on you both at the shoulders, it’s pretty obvious from an engineering point of view that Renzo as a structure would be quite weak. Your structure on the other hand appears to have much less tendency to buckle. Regarding a previous comment about dissimilar skiing conditions, in my clinics I always say good skiers look good in most conditions but great skiers look good in all conditions. Well done Tom!
Thanks Tom! I've been watching your videos for a long time now and your tips have helped me progress considerably. That said, I'm currently skiing at around a 127 Ski IQ with Carv. This topic has been on my mind for too long, so thanks!!! My outside leg always "wobbles" under high pressure, more than likely as a results of doing what we saw in the video. My platform doesn't feel as solid as I would like in the turns. Looking forward to trying your technique. I'll practice indoors to get the "feel" before going to the hill to try it!
Thank you Tom! Love your explanations. From a person who didn’t flex enough, now understanding that you can over flex, as well. Thank you for pointing this out. It will help me greatly!
Hi Tom, Early edge angle is what I am working on this season. What a difference it makes carving in icy conditions. Also in steep terrain it prevents you picking up spee. I can understand your teaching and approach unlike some of the others out there.
Clear explanation again. My ski holiday is already over but I can take this for next year. What I discover this year a lot: I was focusing on outside ski pressure and I push my outside ski to much away from me instead to push it " in the ground". So I think I make the same mistake as you show here. thx
Thanks a lot; that was just the right kind of explanation I needed. I got frustrated lately with not getting better with my front/back pressure and now just realized that I have overdone it. Will try it out tomorrow and see how it goes. Peter (SIQ 154)
So you're saying: less is more. Brilliant. Honest comment (I'm not being a smart ass). I think I've been forcing this aspect of my skiing and overdoing the knee and ankle roll. Thank you.
Good stuff, Tom. I just recently learned how effective the early edging is, and had raised my scores accordingly, but my end of turn scores were very low, and tails were washing out. Also seemed to tire my legs more, and you’ve made it clear as to why. Looking forward to using this
Great Video Tom. The analysis was spot on and the off snow explanation and feelings go a long way to develop understanding . I will be stealing this from you :) Thanks
Your skiing is very good here Tom. These are giant turns in free skiing :). If you had gates here, I would say you unfortunely keep pushing pressure too long after the gate. You should be more unaligned (angulation , torsion etc.) at the gate and realease more quicly just after the gate and letting your skis bucling with less pressure (dissociation).
Hmm, the over critical part of my brain - have you been listening to my brain - how did you know? 😏Thanks for the video, I'm going to work on those inside exercises - they look great to help with the feel.
this is the first time i watch a video and someone say that learning through feel is a legit way to learn. ive heard ppl say "if it looks good, ur doing it right" and im thinkin thats kind of dumb.the other day when chatting with a friend i said something like "if it looks good, its better than doing it wrong and how it feels is better than looking good" dno how true that is but i guess how it feels>how it looks is truer?
My guess is his ski iq is in the 140’s . This is because, while the technique looks a little ungainly (upright throughout the turn with little toppling) his edge angles look relatively high and this has the most influence on the CARV score. You can still get a great IQ with a relatively low balance score. Another great video.
thanks so much. as recreative skier who doesnt have chance to ski too often, i am questioning what is the 'standard' in every minute and in every part of the body and posture.
Great video. One question I have when have when using Carv and building edge angles are the muscles that should be engaged. I find myself pretty beat up after a day of using the app and working on technique.
I spent my day on a hill with my trainer learning my body positioning. I would come down he would watch and he would correct what I'm doing to say again I would go up and do it again and again and again for the whole day. Just on body position and weight and angle
I have just noticed the same thi gs happening in my daughters skiing and never quiet understood what was going on with the forward aft separation. I noticed the tell tale misalignment between lower shin and leg above knee.. The only thing I thought may have been explained would be how to increase the angle when this lower leg rolling is taken out from the turn? Would it be moving hip down to the inside as
Steeper the slope more speed and more force is needed to resist and therefore you need stronger legs. If you have weak legs you cant carv on steep hills and you start skidding. So carving is not for everyone, this is high level of sport and lots of strenght training is needed before even dreaming of carving. I wish this could be pointed out more often, that Carving is sport in high level.
THINK - when in transition that freefall feeling of unweighting and body going downslope can feel unsecure so people compensate in other ways but still carve \ best GS turns seen at fallscreek STEVE LEE ripping early morning many years ago
To, when you refer to rolling ankles and knees over to create edge angles generally how much edge angle can you generate with the ankle roll and also the knee roll? I have tried to come up with values but no luck.
IMO, "knee roll" is a mis-nomer. What's hsppening is thigh bones(femurs) rolling in the hip socket. Knee and ankle "rolling" are minimal: ankle roll for foot & snow feel, knee "roll" for lower leg angles, but really generated from the hip sockets.
To my very untrained eyes, his edge similarity was super low. I am surprised Tom didn't pick up on that. Based on CARV 's "train with an Olympian" edge similarity is one of the first things that they want you to focus on.
Edge similarity is low. And I do address it but not by directly saying those words. In the recent edge similarity video I mention one issue effecting this metric is overdoing the outside. Most people always focus on the inside leg which in this case I don’t think is the cause
End of turn was something we remodelled this year as ‘centered balance’ as ‘staying centered over your bindings during the middle of the turn’ creates a better behaviour and was easier to understand - it’s a similar concept. Hope that helps!
I can’t get my carve insoles to stick inside my boot. absolutely hopeless have bought more tape but I woke just pops up - make it even worse it’s now impossible to get my liners back in the boot and will need to travel 50 miles to nearest ski shop for assistance. Absolute crap
Thx for the video. @9:00 your picture of a "good alignment" is not so good to my eyes, see : 1/ your right ankle is not flexed enough, 2/ your right quadriceps should be at least vertical instead of being in the back seat, 3/ and as a result your upper body should be more forward. Alignment is that line of force (some core muscles are invoved here) from outside foot to inside shoulder when you enter the turn.
Your video looks really nice and clean, but it's a totally unfair comparison. You are skiing in absolutely perfect conditions in 100% freshly groomed soft snow on a gentle blue slope in perfect visibility conditions, while he is doing it on pretty beaten up relatively steep red slope in subpar visibility conditions.
you dont counter upper body lateral hlps lower legs inclained insaide of turn none you dont recenter to flat skis in transition to accelerate out of turn you domping upper body downhill first to start turn and upp hill fallows hip down.
Affectation, A Frame abstem. Carv is not good for bad skiers. No stance awareness= no score. Learning to stand up takes physics, geometry and we don't have time for that nonsense. Fun is at stake so we mus streamline the progression to find our ultimate compaction satisfaction lies in laying parallel arcing lines..
Snake oil alert! End of turn and edge smoothness are no longer in Carv....You spend all that effort to improve them, they just delete it cos they're not important?!
I really like how Tom connects all of the pieces together, the skiers form, the correction, followed by the reasoning and an exercise to try it out to develop the movement in a static and safe environment. Thanks so much!
Great to hear the way it’s explained is clear and actionable
Was told to watch your channel from Jim, who has carv,very helpful, thanks!!😊
Awesome points, I guess for me, I struggle with in keeping that outside leg from collapsing from the forces as I try and develop higher edge angles while progressing through the turn.. if that makes sense?
Thank you very much for the very specific problem solving. As a very strong skier, it's so hard to understand the small things that we do that are holding us back. The dry land break down was very helpful
Another excellent Technique Teardown. To the non-expert eye (mine) Renzo is a very good skier. The changes you suggest for him are quite subtle, but you can see in the side by side videos just what a difference they would make. I hope I can start putting this advice into practice. You end by suggesting something that was probably the best single piece of advice I have ever received from an instructor: "Switch off the over-critical part of your brain and feel what's happening. Above all smile and have fun."
Thanks Peter. Glad that last comment resonated
Great analysis Tom! Highlighting something that I think many really advanced skiers needs to work on. My feeling is that for many years, even experienced ski instructors, got this wrong. “Getting the hip in” have gotten to much attention - and in the process of trying to flex and get the hip low the fundamentals of outside ski pressure and balance have been overlooked. The “low hip” becomes a false focus and actually hinders further progression. WELL DONE 👍
This is both excellent and timely. I have been in the mountain today using the early edging monitor. After watching this video, I wrongly assumed that early edging equates to high edge angle and this is wrong.
Thank you for posting, you are helping a poor skier become slightly less poor.
My favorite ski instructor on the net
Thank you very much with the advise! This is actually a multisport relevant as the over flexion of the knees ruins lower and upper body connection. It really helped me to understand why sometimes i am doing well and sometimes underperform with no particular visible reason. Additionally, it helped with my golf swing as i had my over flexion of the knees though it was only few extra degrees that affected my game.
Yes, yes, yes! Feeling the effect of your movements and balance through your feet is the secret😊
Love it. Trying to learn movement analysis for level ii psia. This was great
Excellent video, as always!
Your skiing is simply a masterpiece of art!
Pleasure. Tom was, as always, an incredible coach
„Switch of the overcritical part of your brain and start skiing by feel“ 👍 The more I learn about skiing, the more I understand the „how“ and „why“ of skiing, the bigger is the risk to concentrate too much on special technical stuff - at least and block myself until frustration. Good advice! Thanks! 🙏🏻
Been watching you for awhile. Just received my carv footbeds and can’t wait to try them. Your comparison and comments are right on my opinion. If I freeze the comparison of yourself and Renzo at the apex phase of the turn, stand you both up vertical and start piling weight on you both at the shoulders, it’s pretty obvious from an engineering point of view that Renzo as a structure would be quite weak. Your structure on the other hand appears to have much less tendency to buckle. Regarding a previous comment about dissimilar skiing conditions, in my clinics I always say good skiers look good in most conditions but great skiers look good in all conditions. Well done Tom!
Have a great season with Carv, and thanks for the great observation about Tom!
Thanks Tom! I've been watching your videos for a long time now and your tips have helped me progress considerably. That said, I'm currently skiing at around a 127 Ski IQ with Carv. This topic has been on my mind for too long, so thanks!!! My outside leg always "wobbles" under high pressure, more than likely as a results of doing what we saw in the video. My platform doesn't feel as solid as I would like in the turns. Looking forward to trying your technique. I'll practice indoors to get the "feel" before going to the hill to try it!
Again a fantastic video Tom. Nobody can explain difficult things as simple and as good as you ! I got the (big) picture 🙂
Tom, as always, you explained it in precise and easy language. I may be the one who over-does the flex. , Thank you so much.
Same here
Thank you Tom! Love your explanations. From a person who didn’t flex enough, now understanding that you can over flex, as well. Thank you for pointing this out. It will help me greatly!
Hi Tom,
Early edge angle is what I am working on this season. What a difference it makes carving in icy conditions. Also in steep terrain it prevents you picking up spee. I can understand your teaching and approach unlike some of the others out there.
Clear explanation again. My ski holiday is already over but I can take this for next year. What I discover this year a lot: I was focusing on outside ski pressure and I push my outside ski to much away from me instead to push it " in the ground". So I think I make the same mistake as you show here. thx
Thanks a lot; that was just the right kind of explanation I needed. I got frustrated lately with not getting better with my front/back pressure and now just realized that I have overdone it. Will try it out tomorrow and see how it goes. Peter (SIQ 154)
excellent, loved this video, thanks Tom
Cheers
Super cool lesson to advance to the next level
So precise. Love it.
So you're saying: less is more. Brilliant. Honest comment (I'm not being a smart ass). I think I've been forcing this aspect of my skiing and overdoing the knee and ankle roll. Thank you.
Good stuff, Tom. I just recently learned how effective the early edging is, and had raised my scores accordingly, but my end of turn scores were very low, and tails were washing out. Also seemed to tire my legs more, and you’ve made it clear as to why.
Looking forward to using this
Great Video Tom. The analysis was spot on and the off snow explanation and feelings go a long way to develop understanding . I will be stealing this from you :) Thanks
Thanks Richard. Maybe you could reference the information and where you learnt it 😉
Your skiing is very good here Tom. These are giant turns in free skiing :).
If you had gates here, I would say you unfortunely keep pushing pressure too long after the gate.
You should be more unaligned (angulation , torsion etc.) at the gate and realease more quicly just after the gate and letting your skis bucling with less pressure (dissociation).
Hmm, the over critical part of my brain - have you been listening to my brain - how did you know? 😏Thanks for the video, I'm going to work on those inside exercises - they look great to help with the feel.
Nice clear analysis with good practice tips. I’ll try implementing your suggestions next time I ski.
truly excellent content!
Many thanks, Tom! Very helpful and insightful.
你好，非常感谢您的视频。我是一名来自中国的滑雪爱好者。2023年在日本度过了人生第一个雪季，一共滑了14次，现在滑的就是你视频里的错误示范的样子。现在已经明确知道自己的错误点了、准备今年按照你的教学方式再去试一下！
Fantastic. Thank you
this is the first time i watch a video and someone say that learning through feel is a legit way to learn. ive heard ppl say "if it looks good, ur doing it right" and im thinkin thats kind of dumb.the other day when chatting with a friend i said something like "if it looks good, its better than doing it wrong and how it feels is better than looking good" dno how true that is but i guess how it feels>how it looks is truer?
My guess is his ski iq is in the 140’s . This is because, while the technique looks a little ungainly (upright throughout the turn with little toppling) his edge angles look relatively high and this has the most influence on the CARV score. You can still get a great IQ with a relatively low balance score. Another great video.
I would agree
Great analysis of body alignment. Any suggestions what the inside ski should be doing?
thanks so much. as recreative skier who doesnt have chance to ski too often, i am questioning what is the 'standard' in every minute and in every part of the body and posture.
Thanks Tom! Would you call this A-Framing?
that was my first thought as well
Yeah I would. But a frame causes can come from multiple things. This is just one of them
Great video. One question I have when have when using Carv and building edge angles are the muscles that should be engaged. I find myself pretty beat up after a day of using the app and working on technique.
Great video. Will try to be aware of that possible issue while skiing. As a reference point, what was the SkiIQ of Renzo’s run ?
I spent my day on a hill with my trainer learning my body positioning. I would come down he would watch and he would correct what I'm doing to say again I would go up and do it again and again and again for the whole day. Just on body position and weight and angle
grazie... video molto interessante!!!👌
Stacked outside alignment - Yep.
I have just noticed the same thi gs happening in my daughters skiing and never quiet understood what was going on with the forward aft separation. I noticed the tell tale misalignment between lower shin and leg above knee.. The only thing I thought may have been explained would be how to increase the angle when this lower leg rolling is taken out from the turn? Would it be moving hip down to the inside as
Steeper the slope more speed and more force is needed to resist and therefore you need stronger legs. If you have weak legs you cant carv on steep hills and you start skidding. So carving is not for everyone, this is high level of sport and lots of strenght training is needed before even dreaming of carving. I wish this could be pointed out more often, that Carving is sport in high level.
THINK - when in transition
that freefall feeling of unweighting and body going downslope
can feel unsecure
so people compensate in other ways but still carve
\
best GS turns seen at fallscreek STEVE LEE ripping early morning many years ago
Nice Tom. When did you start skiing on Atomic skis?
Just for that day. My bags were lost coming back from Quebec to Utah. Had to borrow a friends
谢谢您的视频！
To, when you refer to rolling ankles and knees over to create edge angles generally how much edge angle can you generate with the ankle roll and also the knee roll? I have tried to come up with values but no luck.
IMO, "knee roll" is a mis-nomer.
What's hsppening is thigh bones(femurs) rolling in the hip socket.
Knee and ankle "rolling" are minimal: ankle roll for foot & snow feel, knee "roll" for lower leg angles, but really generated from the hip sockets.
To my very untrained eyes, his edge similarity was super low. I am surprised Tom didn't pick up on that. Based on CARV 's "train with an Olympian" edge similarity is one of the first things that they want you to focus on.
Edge similarity is low. And I do address it but not by directly saying those words. In the recent edge similarity video I mention one issue effecting this metric is overdoing the outside. Most people always focus on the inside leg which in this case I don’t think is the cause
are you at any point in the turn trying to push the outside ski hard into the snow to tighthen the turn (if you want to loose speed on step slope?)
Pushing the outside leg will straighten the turn. To tighten the arc, flex the outside knee instead.
I am thinking about my spine. I know I am a little too forward.
I don't have "End of Turn" as a metric under "Balance"....
End of turn was something we remodelled this year as ‘centered balance’ as ‘staying centered over your bindings during the middle of the turn’ creates a better behaviour and was easier to understand - it’s a similar concept. Hope that helps!
I can’t get my carve insoles to stick inside my boot. absolutely hopeless have bought more tape but I woke just pops up - make it even worse it’s now impossible to get my liners back in the boot and will need to travel 50 miles to nearest ski shop for assistance. Absolute crap
Tom would this apply to short steered turns as well?
Looks like he has a boot issue his canting is to weak and he is rotated in the early part of the turn.
I feel the guy just got X shape legs, not the over twisting. 😮
Thx for the video.
@9:00 your picture of a "good alignment" is not so good to my eyes, see :
1/ your right ankle is not flexed enough,
2/ your right quadriceps should be at least vertical instead of being in the back seat,
3/ and as a result your upper body should be more forward.
Alignment is that line of force (some core muscles are invoved here) from outside foot to inside shoulder when you enter the turn.
Your video looks really nice and clean, but it's a totally unfair comparison. You are skiing in absolutely perfect conditions in 100% freshly groomed soft snow on a gentle blue slope in perfect visibility conditions, while he is doing it on pretty beaten up relatively steep red slope in subpar visibility conditions.
Watch any of my other videos of my skiing. I don’t think it looks different nor do the biomechanics change
you dont counter upper body lateral hlps lower legs inclained insaide of turn none you dont recenter to flat skis in transition to accelerate out of turn you domping upper body downhill first to start turn and upp hill fallows hip down.
Affectation, A Frame abstem. Carv is not good for bad skiers. No stance awareness= no score. Learning to stand up takes physics, geometry and we don't have time for that nonsense. Fun is at stake so we mus streamline the progression to find our ultimate compaction satisfaction lies in laying parallel arcing lines..
Snake oil alert! End of turn and edge smoothness are no longer in Carv....You spend all that effort to improve them, they just delete it cos they're not important?!
Horrible yearly fee to use it
Deal breaker!
The more you have to talk about a subject, the less you understand about it.
Great analysis.. isn’t he leaning inside without enough angulation??
looks like he’s weighting his heel too
Yep and these issues can stem from what I discuss