Thanks for covering this topic.. I was looking for something like this.. I own both headsets.. but like the visuals better with the Quest 3 with the FOV.. etc... Good job covering this!!!
Not sure where this Doom a Gloom came from but your G2 isnt going to just die because MS stopped WMR support. If you like your G2 you will find one of the many ways to keep using it. It still isnt official to what MS is going to do. We do know the WMR division no longer exists but thats about it and that it still works of course.
I used the G2 for 2 years, when I first put the Quest3 on I thought "wow it's as sharp as the G2 but with and a huge FOV and sweetspot." A bit of compression means nothing when you weigh up all the advantages, especially if you use AV1 on VD with a 40xx card. I'd never recommend the G2 now that we have the Q3, the G2 lenses are atrocious.
Been testing since day 1, and IMO, high bitrate H.264+ > AV1 -- the only reason to use AV1 is if your network is dogshit and you absolutely need to go wireless. AV1 at best is like a 30% better per bitrate, but with 264+ you can go as high as 400-500, hell even 300 @ H.264 has its advantages. H.264 just has far better latency and consistency if you have the network for it (or just go with Link cable). Link cable I'm running 900 (though, its not *really* that high in actual use, but it comes close)
@@Munky332 I'm on a 2080ti so I haven't used AV1, I usually use HEVC, I didn't notice much improvement with 264+ but I'll give it another go. I didn't realise 264 had better latency.
@@Verociity AV1 is a meme honestly, its barely better than HEVC (like 5% better at same bitrate). You're limited by the decode processing capability of the Q3, which means you're limited to 200mbit on both of them, before inducing fucktons of latency. H.264 will saturate your network/connection before it induces enough latency to matter. I've run virtual desktop with 400-500mbit and seen between like 8-12ms, and even less with link cable. DCS's render engine is shit though, so anything above like 100mbit is basically unnoticable. essentially the *only* reason IMO to run AV1/HEVC is potentially in dark scenes where color banding is a problem (ie some very dark scenes in HL Alyx) or where your network is just shit and can't handle high bitrate H264
@@wolveslands6701 I use the cable strictly for charging (edit: when using Airlink or VD -- I still occasionally use straight "Link" via the cable). USB-C becomes nothing but a charging cable when using Airlink or VirtualDesktop, as both of those methods use your wireless network to communicate with your PC.
@@Destarn nah, I'll just stick with 23h2 and save $200 for the next year or two. I'll likely be able to sell it for close to what I bought it for used and pick up a quest 3 then. All I use the computer for is streaming/ gaming and I don't download anything from anywhere but licensed developers. Plus security updates are separate so I'm golden baby XD. I really appreciate it though brother and keep up the good reviews. You've sold me on my next two headsets so your doing stuff right brother.
I'm using the Quest 3 only for PCVR via USB cable. Bought a Kiwi Headstrap for 40 bucks which is very nice. It's lightweight and I don't have to mess around with batteries and I can play as long as I want.
I've just got mine, 512 GB. I am in love with it. I enjoy specially the mixed reality features. As a PC VR I'd say the reverb has better graphics but considering the wireless function, passthrough and controllers at the end of the day the quest 3 is a much better device.
No the Reverb G2 don't have better graphics. Why should it? I had one some years ago, immediately returned it after 2 days. The small FOV and the drastical sharpness loss beyond the center were just awful. This headset didn't make any sense for me, terrible. Now I have a Quest 3 and it's perfect. Good FOV, very small sharpness loss in the edges, good resolution, good frequency. Night and day difference to the Reverb G2. I don't see the USB-C cable connection as a noticeable disadvantage.
I have both, the G2 and the Quest 3. I find the visuals much better in the G2. I can barely read the instruments in the cockpit with the Quest 3, somehow. I also found no way to operate both headsets without uninstall the software for the other headset. So how do you manage a side-by-side comparison?
I had no issues running both headsets one after another. As for readability I do see the difference but it’s by no means unreadable, just slightly more blurry. How do you connect your headset and what are your settings?
@@Destarn Yeah, slightly more blurry is correct. Maybe the Quest uses compression or something? I connected both headsets via cable. I also find the G2 more comfy, somehow, although the G2 tends to heat up more often and then the lenses get foggy. I think they play in the same class. But since Microsoft drops support for MR headsets, the days of the G2 are more or less over, anyway...
@@BenjaminJannedy it does use compression but with a good cable you basically can’t see it. And yes out of the box it is less comfortable but with the BoboVR M3 strap I find it more comfy than the G2
@@LaurenceGough For the moment, I use the G2 for DCS and the Quest for everything else. Thats completely okay for me. Maybe next weekend, I'll retry the Q3 for DCS. But thats a little work for me, since I have to uninstall all the G2 stuff and Install the Quest Link software and configure everything.
Someone earlier asked about using the usb-c link rather than dvi. You explained artifacts weren't an issue but i wonder about impact on fps. When the Pico came out, people said you really needed a Nvidia 4 series to stream to it via usb-c at decent fps. So I assume the same applies here. So, what GPU are you using and did you notice any fps hit switching from g2 to q3? Thanks again for the video.
So I can’t compare directly how much of a performance impact you get but any mid to high end GPU from the last few years (2070 and above) shouldn’t have much of a problem encoding the video. I have a 3090 and during my experiments I tried running extremely high resolutions and I never came into issues where the encoder was slower than rendering. I think I found my sweetspot with settings and I plan on making a video about that soon:tm:. I normally play with separate encoding running with OBS replays on H265 codec so it’s running on the GPU side too.
I would say it’s basically the same, maybe with better color consistency on the Q3, you also get adjustable brightness and higher peak brightness on the Quest
It is highly dependent on the USB cable but a with a decent 2.5 Gbit capable one I can’t tell there’s compression going on. And only artifacts are present with ASW which can be turned off but it’s actually pretty darn good for DCS
@@Destarn alright, that’s relieving to know. I wanted to have backup VR headset in mind, as our Hp reverb g2 is coming end of life. Was considering quest 3 as a substitute, but it not using displayport and I was wondering how noticable is the compression. Is that even an issue. Thanks for clarifying that.
One thing that bugged me about the G2 was the haptics on the controllers, it seemed like they just had a buzz, but didn't feel like a rumble, while the Rift and the Q3 touch controllers give a convincing rumble that adds to immersion.
My G2 cable just died after 3 years, so it seems like the Q3 is probably my best replacement option. Doesn't seem worth it to spend >$100 on a new cable that might die again.
Yeah, that’s assuming you can even get one. G2 is likely EOL and they’re never in stock on HP’s website when I was checking for V2 cables (just to get the power button lol)
Thanks for the comparison. Good work. No one talks about the hardware requirements vs the g2, unfortunately. I have a g2 now, and running dcs at 90 fps (to match the refresh rate of the lenses) is basically impossible without lowering pixel density. 60hz creates really bad strobing which gives me a headache. I am a hater of motion reprojection due to the artifacts and cannot stand it. Now, if i were to have my current system which already runs the g2, will the q3 run WORSE due to the wider range of clarity of the lenses, or same/better due to WMR bloatware being absent?
And i mean will it run better/same/worse if both headsets ran at 90hz refresh rate. I would definitely get the q3 if at 72hz would allow me to play with slightly higher graphics and wothout reprojection..
It will run roughly the same. In my experience initially I had a slightly better performance and better consistency. The lenses don’t affect performance since they just point the light at your eyes and they’re the main contributor to the Q3s superior visual quality, it’s the resolution that mainly determines the performance impact. The total pixel count is slightly lower on the Q3 but because of WMR shenanigans if you were to equal the resolution demanded you’d run marginally better. With the Q3 you have the choice of 72 and 80 hz as well, I personally settled on 80 but as I mentioned in the video 72hz has no significant strobing. Another thing is Q3s reprojection is far better to WMR’s option so definitely do give it a try. There’s still artifacts here and there but nowhere near as bad as on the G2.
Yeah for sure, double tap on the side of the headset and you have your pass through enabled, works with Oculus Link, Steam Link and VD. Though you will not have audio from your PC whilst doing that so if you’re on discord for example you’ll go deaf as long as you have pass through enabled
@@Destarn ahhh … my main use was using discord while playing DCS … hehe. Any idea on how the Quest 3 LCD compares to an OLeD from the likes of Bigscreen Beyond’s VR? Im just sad that I’m having to think about replacing my HP reverb G2, when it works perfectly fine. Really stupid of microsoft to stop its support for Mixed Reality Headsets.
@@muzzman1030 definitely not OLED levels but better than the G2, there’s also less glare with bright objects in dark scenes so that helps the contrast a bit too. I believe there’s a way to keep audio from the app running in pass through but I haven’t looked into it yet.
I replaced my G2 with Quest 3. Amazing clarity however I had a dead pixel so I returned it and got another one. The new one has terrible glare and fan noise and also stutters a lot. Briefly having a solid Quest 3 is like winning a lottery.
That’s unfortunate, can’t say I have heard of such issues from my friends who have the Q3 so maybe you got super unlucky both times and received a faulty unit twice?
Glad it works for you. I went from a Rift S to the G2 and I will not leave the G2 till a Non Zuckerberg Company makes a G2 replacement with inside out tracking and No Battery when hooked to PC. That's not $4000.00 lol Good Video.
That's such a thing! I don't understand why there are no new PCVR headsets with inside out tracking. I was very interested in a Big Screen Beyond. Like, "Ok yeah I can stretch to that no problem. Oh wait, I've got to spend close to $500 extra on weird little cubes to clutter up my space and take up outlets? Yeah nah"
well, WMR is basically dead, so that leaves what? Pimax (shit QC/CS, and horrible marketing practices), and the BSB (though both are not inside-out, both require base stations), or you can wait for valves new headset which will likely be $1000+, plus you'll need controllers & probably base stations bringing the cost closer to 1.5k if not more. Last option would be Pico 4, but that's not readily available in the US, without going grey market, and they just cancelled the Pico 5 so future is unknown. IMO, the zuck-suck headset is *still* the best option on the market for VR. Little known fact, but Oculus headsets account for like 60-70% of SteamVR users... Hate to say it, but Oculus is the main driver for PCVR for now.
If you're adamant you don't want a Zucculus just get a Pico4, it's the next best thing to the Quest3 for a reasonable price. But the Q3 really is the best value hmd.
I returned the Quest 3... The Reverb G2 had nowhere near the level of aliasing the Quest 3 had... Yes the pancake lenses are good but it isnt enough for me to enjoy it! I will enjoy the G2 as long as i can and instead upgrade to to the Crystal!
i am using quest 3 with virtual desktop an play on an 4070 card in av1 encoder what give the quest a4k resolution an really clear pictures. makes the dcs beautiffull.
also when u play in virtual desktop you're battery wont drain out cause u can keep the cable in the headset play in av1 wireless an keep charging with link cable.
@@Destarn u can use av1 with virtual. Desktop that's a real nice program u won't regret getting it it cost something about 20 dollar but it is a real game changer absolutely in dcs!!
Be aware...the Oculus quest app V63 and DCS are not compatible anymore...crashing on startup in VR. Read in DCS forum. I'm one of the affected. No solution yet. Is going to take some time.
Is the Quest 3 honeymoon over? I came from a G2 also .. was an original pre-order (August 2020; arrived Jan 2021) and my cable just died. I am a few days now into my Q3 and the AR is very very cool (watching movies I would have never done before sitting in my sim rig). My overall main dislike is the latency -- I am on a year old Wifi6 (not E) in a saturated environment (apartment building) . Many of these reviewers have houses away from other people with less wifi signals. I have yet to tweak mine better with Virtual Desktop. My 4090/7800x3d was only recognizing the stock cable as a USB 2 and was horrid with quality until VDesktop. Ordered both a Bobo S3 and a powered link cable. I totally agree on the lenses, though the SDE is much much worse; tradeoffs are still a point after 3 years of VR 2+. I really want(ed) a Pimax Crystal Super, but they do not ship here unfortunately so for me it was a no brainer on the Quest 3 to prevent my rig from dusting up
I use a WiFi 5 router with VD now, and I live in a multi floor apartament with plenty of wifi in the area. I get sub 60ms latency on godlike resolution and 80hz with AV1 10bit. I ditched the cable because of audio crackles which seem to stem from Oculus drivers, though I wish I could use VD wired too, wireless is lovely but not necessary for DCS at all imo. I'm still waiting for Valve to make an Index 2/Deckard a reality though.
@@Destarn I had horrible audio latency and crackles that reminded me of my G2 that had improper contact with the speakers... this was on a USB C cable and I've only used the headset wireless. I'll add a link cable in the next few days and report back my findings. Might be USB drivers fault with AMD mobo (x670)
@@andreas9119 I tried with other cables and with my dedicated PCIE card that I used for the G2 (also on X570 here), it was also present over airlink. As for latency it was fine on cable, non issue
@@dabneyoffermein595 My G2's already sold and off to be enjoyed by someone else. Q3 just better and I had money to toss at the microphone and speakers to make that a non issue.
Just ordered this. I don't care about the quality of the speakers as I use gaming ones anyway. I've heard from other guys that the pancake lenses are really good for DCS. Vids like this are useful cheers!
@@dabneyoffermein595 It works for one. I know of so many problems with the G2. I had to get rid of mine it drove me nuts and a friend of mine's just broken too. I'm an oculus fanboy to be fair lol but Very few problems with it and the lenses are vastly superior.
I find the Quest 3 to be a great device for standalone apps and mixed reality (MR). However, for PC VR, the HP Reverb G2 provides more immersion with stereoscopic, lifelike, a realistic graphics. Metal parts look like real metal, the lighting, reflections, and sky appear brighter and closer to real life. The image quality feels more natural and raw, thanks to the DisplayPort connection (unlike the Quest 3, which uses compressed video). I’ll keep the Quest 3 as a VR toy and plan to buy the Pimax Crystal Lite for serious PC VR gaming.( as HP reverb g2 replacement upgrade)
Thanks for the video. Today my G2's left screen started flickerin (like it works only half of the right screens Hz, lowered the hz to 60 and the problem was just bigger. Then left screen worked like 30hz). Anyone else had this kind of issue? But anyways, I also own Pico 4 but I was disapointed with its streaming quality. I am considering to buy Quest 3 but I have my doubts for these streaming headsets instead. So is the image as clear as in G2 and is there much latency?
As shown and said in the video clarity is basically the same, except it’s across the whole screen. As for latency depends on how you want to do it and your networking if you go wireless. Wired you can go with a very high bitrate giving what is basically a compression artefact free image with no considerable latency. Wireless (with virtual desktop) you can get pretty good quality compression wise with under 60ms latency - not an issue for me but it varies from person to person.
I swapped G2 to Q3 and it's infinitely better. My G2 is gathering dust with another cable going down faulty. So glad I don't have to deal with this bs anymore playing wireless. Also dumb tiny sweet spot that won't even go to 70mm ipd is gone, bye bye. Q3 visuals are way way better due to pancakes and bigger IPD
Yeah it’s a shame, it’s still a solid headset and you can get them really cheap now. I can only hope someone comes up with a non ms dependent way to use it but that’s about it
I think that want everyone needs to factor in is not just specs, but WMR. It’s not supported, the next Windows 11 update is apparently bricking the G2. You also have to factor in that I’ve had to turn off SteamVR Room, motion vector, reduce quality to 50%, and do all sorts of other tweaks just to get it to work. Most times opening SteamVR I’d just freeze or lag out. The visuals itself are blurry and text have god rays and are basically unreadable without straining your eyes. Pass through is abysmal, and having to hold up controllers to see circles of a 240 p grey reality is horrid. There is not world where I’d recommend the G2 in the current day. The resolution difference is so minor. Thinks like comfort or battery can be fixed with a good strap, and more 3rd parties support Quest products. Don’t buy a G2 in 2024, you’ve been warned.
@@Destarn I think that when a company and a platform/program no longer supports a headset that needs both, it's not worth it. If you have your headset break, need a replacement part, or need an upgrade, a bug fix, or anything really, having no support is terrible. I mean WMR is not even in a good state atm, and it bugs out all the time in conjunction with SteamVR. WMR also has issues with finding games to launch from your PC. I mean I'm lucky that I don't have automatic updates turned on, but if I ever run into an issue that requires a Windows update, I'm screwed tbh. If you already have a G2, do your best to keep it and deal with it (which is what I'm doing), but if don't, It's not worth "upgrading" to one over a Quest 3 imo. The pancake lenses by themselves are insane for visual clarity, which is sorely needed on any old VR headset.
@@readifdumb I don’t think anyone would see changing to the G2 from a Quest 3 an upgrade. My video was mean merely as a comparison of both to see if it’s worth to change from G2 to Q3. When I was writing the video I wasn’t even aware of WMR being discontinued so right now I’m even more biased towards the Quest lol
@@Destarn Ah okay. I guess mine was more so a warning. Because some people hate Meta/Facebook, don't want to have an account, don't want compression, want good audio, and care a lot about flight sims/racing sims, and resolution. On paper all these things could lead someone to buy a G2, so my comment was more as an extra warning alongside your video to fully cover it. I have managed to get my G2 working through trial and error, but I haven't fixed the blurry visuals, and still have issues with controllers, passthrough, weight, cord, etc. Quest 2 and 3 on the other hand seem like plug and play for the most part.
@@readifdumb there’s some setup involved but much less than with the G2 for sure. It’s tricky to get it working properly. Q2 I don’t know but from people who owned both the G2 and Q2 it was better to get the Reverb for DCS. With the Q3 it’s basically out of the question
G2 was useless for me, my IPD is 68.2 so it should be just about ok but it was blurry enough to be annoying... Guess I can try the Q3, what's another $600 🤷♂
"DCS World - Reverb G2 vs Quest 3" - yo there is like 1/5 of the film that covers these headsets in terms of playing dcs with it. Half of the video is about audio and *ROOMSCALE GAMING*, I repeat, the name of the video is "DCS World - Reverb G2 vs Quest 3"...
There’s only one section with DCS in the name but the content within is still relevant to DCS. It uses the screens and my biggest issues regarding the Q3 was about audio so there was a bit more rambling about that, sure. Sounding like you’re flying a WW2 plane without a canopy on SRS because of the issues described within the video isn’t that great. And considering that it’s a decent improvement for DCS over the G2 but a massive for roomscale gaming I found it important to mention since it’s a massive strength of this headset even if it goes a bit off topic of our beloved flight sim. Thanks for the input though!
HP hasn't been "Quality" anything since the mid Nineties when they went full Woke. I used to work at HP on Stevens Creek in 53U NSD and saw it firsthand. Black chicks that knew nothing about Computers were being put in management positions because of skin color and nothing else.
Indeed I am. It is still a very good headset it’s just starting to show it’s age. We can definitely guess what could’ve been but WMR is dead and HP haven’t made any new VR hardware since 2021 when they stopped at the G2 Omnicept.
Older tech can often be superior too. In this case, I like the G2 way more because it's native PCVR - a nearly abandoned concept nowadays. Besides, 3 years is not really a lot for today's electronics.
Thanks for covering this topic.. I was looking for something like this.. I own both headsets.. but like the visuals better with the Quest 3 with the FOV.. etc... Good job covering this!!!
Excellent review - thank you for the video. WELL DONE!!! I have a G2 and looking to upgrade to the Quest 3
what about bigscreen vr?
Have been using G2 for 3 years, just recieved my Quest 3 today =)
Enjoy!
How do you like it?
How do you like the Q3 compared to the G2 mate? Was it worth the step to the Q3?
I love my G2 and if it was not being discontinued, I would not be considering a change. Thank you for this Video
Not sure where this Doom a Gloom came from but your G2 isnt going to just die because MS stopped WMR support. If you like your G2 you will find one of the many ways to keep using it. It still isnt official to what MS is going to do. We do know the WMR division no longer exists but thats about it and that it still works of course.
Many ways of keeping your G2 working e.g. Group Policy entry to stop Windows 11 upgrading to 24H2. Google is your friend ;)
I used the G2 for 2 years, when I first put the Quest3 on I thought "wow it's as sharp as the G2 but with and a huge FOV and sweetspot." A bit of compression means nothing when you weigh up all the advantages, especially if you use AV1 on VD with a 40xx card. I'd never recommend the G2 now that we have the Q3, the G2 lenses are atrocious.
Been testing since day 1, and IMO, high bitrate H.264+ > AV1 -- the only reason to use AV1 is if your network is dogshit and you absolutely need to go wireless. AV1 at best is like a 30% better per bitrate, but with 264+ you can go as high as 400-500, hell even 300 @ H.264 has its advantages. H.264 just has far better latency and consistency if you have the network for it (or just go with Link cable).
Link cable I'm running 900 (though, its not *really* that high in actual use, but it comes close)
@@Munky332 I'm on a 2080ti so I haven't used AV1, I usually use HEVC, I didn't notice much improvement with 264+ but I'll give it another go. I didn't realise 264 had better latency.
@@Verociity AV1 is a meme honestly, its barely better than HEVC (like 5% better at same bitrate). You're limited by the decode processing capability of the Q3, which means you're limited to 200mbit on both of them, before inducing fucktons of latency.
H.264 will saturate your network/connection before it induces enough latency to matter. I've run virtual desktop with 400-500mbit and seen between like 8-12ms, and even less with link cable.
DCS's render engine is shit though, so anything above like 100mbit is basically unnoticable.
essentially the *only* reason IMO to run AV1/HEVC is potentially in dark scenes where color banding is a problem (ie some very dark scenes in HL Alyx) or where your network is just shit and can't handle high bitrate H264
@@Munky332are you using the USB-C Data cable with the virtual desktop application or with the air link software?
@@wolveslands6701 I use the cable strictly for charging (edit: when using Airlink or VD -- I still occasionally use straight "Link" via the cable). USB-C becomes nothing but a charging cable when using Airlink or VirtualDesktop, as both of those methods use your wireless network to communicate with your PC.
Great comparison! I'll need to send this to my buddy looking to replace his G2
excellent video. just what I was looking for!
I'mma get the g2. Thanks for the review and settling it for me amigo!
G2 is likely going to be a brick within 2 years. Microsoft announced discontinuation of WMR so I’d reconsider it
@@Destarn nah, I'll just stick with 23h2 and save $200 for the next year or two. I'll likely be able to sell it for close to what I bought it for used and pick up a quest 3 then. All I use the computer for is streaming/ gaming and I don't download anything from anywhere but licensed developers. Plus security updates are separate so I'm golden baby XD. I really appreciate it though brother and keep up the good reviews. You've sold me on my next two headsets so your doing stuff right brother.
@@sirwhippamus yeah fair enough then, by then Q4 will probably be a thing so be on the lookout for that too haha, thanks man
@@Destarn oh you already know bro! But..... I'm a cheap bastard so Ill get that 3 on discount 🥸. We frugal round here 😂
@@sirwhippamus hahah rightfully so
I'm using the Quest 3 only for PCVR via USB cable. Bought a Kiwi Headstrap for 40 bucks which is very nice. It's lightweight and I don't have to mess around with batteries and I can play as long as I want.
the G2 is amazing, just absolutely amazing
I've just got mine, 512 GB. I am in love with it. I enjoy specially the mixed reality features. As a PC VR I'd say the reverb has better graphics but considering the wireless function, passthrough and controllers at the end of the day the quest 3 is a much better device.
No the Reverb G2 don't have better graphics. Why should it? I had one some years ago, immediately returned it after 2 days. The small FOV and the drastical sharpness loss beyond the center were just awful. This headset didn't make any sense for me, terrible. Now I have a Quest 3 and it's perfect. Good FOV, very small sharpness loss in the edges, good resolution, good frequency. Night and day difference to the Reverb G2. I don't see the USB-C cable connection as a noticeable disadvantage.
I have both, the G2 and the Quest 3. I find the visuals much better in the G2. I can barely read the instruments in the cockpit with the Quest 3, somehow. I also found no way to operate both headsets without uninstall the software for the other headset. So how do you manage a side-by-side comparison?
I had no issues running both headsets one after another. As for readability I do see the difference but it’s by no means unreadable, just slightly more blurry. How do you connect your headset and what are your settings?
@@Destarn Yeah, slightly more blurry is correct. Maybe the Quest uses compression or something? I connected both headsets via cable. I also find the G2 more comfy, somehow, although the G2 tends to heat up more often and then the lenses get foggy. I think they play in the same class. But since Microsoft drops support for MR headsets, the days of the G2 are more or less over, anyway...
@@BenjaminJannedy it does use compression but with a good cable you basically can’t see it. And yes out of the box it is less comfortable but with the BoboVR M3 strap I find it more comfy than the G2
Did you get this sorted in the end? I guess you have tried adjusting the IPD etc?
@@LaurenceGough For the moment, I use the G2 for DCS and the Quest for everything else. Thats completely okay for me. Maybe next weekend, I'll retry the Q3 for DCS. But thats a little work for me, since I have to uninstall all the G2 stuff and Install the Quest Link software and configure everything.
the perfect video that i was looking for haha Im in g2, time to switch to Quest3 ty4 the video
Someone earlier asked about using the usb-c link rather than dvi. You explained artifacts weren't an issue but i wonder about impact on fps.
When the Pico came out, people said you really needed a Nvidia 4 series to stream to it via usb-c at decent fps. So I assume the same applies here.
So, what GPU are you using and did you notice any fps hit switching from g2 to q3?
Thanks again for the video.
So I can’t compare directly how much of a performance impact you get but any mid to high end GPU from the last few years (2070 and above) shouldn’t have much of a problem encoding the video.
I have a 3090 and during my experiments I tried running extremely high resolutions and I never came into issues where the encoder was slower than rendering. I think I found my sweetspot with settings and I plan on making a video about that soon:tm:. I normally play with separate encoding running with OBS replays on H265 codec so it’s running on the GPU side too.
Thank you. Well done.
Recently bought a reverb g2 for 100 bucks practically brand new and Im quite exited to use it for sim racing.
Amazing deal! Have fun!
How did you find the color difference between the two headsets? Was one of my favourite things about the g2 was the amazing colors
I would say it’s basically the same, maybe with better color consistency on the Q3, you also get adjustable brightness and higher peak brightness on the Quest
Great review.
Is the video compression through the Usb-c cable okay for DCS? Does it add any artifacts?
It is highly dependent on the USB cable but a with a decent 2.5 Gbit capable one I can’t tell there’s compression going on. And only artifacts are present with ASW which can be turned off but it’s actually pretty darn good for DCS
DCS's render engine is dogshit, I can't tell artifacts until below like 100mbps or lower.
@@Destarn alright, that’s relieving to know. I wanted to have backup VR headset in mind, as our Hp reverb g2 is coming end of life. Was considering quest 3 as a substitute, but it not using displayport and I was wondering how noticable is the compression. Is that even an issue.
Thanks for clarifying that.
One thing that bugged me about the G2 was the haptics on the controllers, it seemed like they just had a buzz, but didn't feel like a rumble, while the Rift and the Q3 touch controllers give a convincing rumble that adds to immersion.
Yeah overall G2 controllers were meh, though I can’t say the haptics were my biggest problem with them
THe G2 as far as audio and just an all around comparison, is a no-contest. It's G2 ahead in so many categories. The Audio is horrendous on the Quest 3
My G2 cable just died after 3 years, so it seems like the Q3 is probably my best replacement option. Doesn't seem worth it to spend >$100 on a new cable that might die again.
Yeah, that’s assuming you can even get one. G2 is likely EOL and they’re never in stock on HP’s website when I was checking for V2 cables (just to get the power button lol)
Thanks for the comparison. Good work. No one talks about the hardware requirements vs the g2, unfortunately. I have a g2 now, and running dcs at 90 fps (to match the refresh rate of the lenses) is basically impossible without lowering pixel density. 60hz creates really bad strobing which gives me a headache. I am a hater of motion reprojection due to the artifacts and cannot stand it. Now, if i were to have my current system which already runs the g2, will the q3 run WORSE due to the wider range of clarity of the lenses, or same/better due to WMR bloatware being absent?
And i mean will it run better/same/worse if both headsets ran at 90hz refresh rate. I would definitely get the q3 if at 72hz would allow me to play with slightly higher graphics and wothout reprojection..
It will run roughly the same. In my experience initially I had a slightly better performance and better consistency. The lenses don’t affect performance since they just point the light at your eyes and they’re the main contributor to the Q3s superior visual quality, it’s the resolution that mainly determines the performance impact.
The total pixel count is slightly lower on the Q3 but because of WMR shenanigans if you were to equal the resolution demanded you’d run marginally better. With the Q3
you have the choice of 72 and 80 hz as well, I personally settled on 80 but as I mentioned in the video 72hz has no significant strobing. Another thing is Q3s reprojection is far better to WMR’s option so definitely do give it a try. There’s still artifacts here and there but nowhere near as bad as on the G2.
quick question, while playing DCS (or any PC VR game) can you for a quick second use the pass through, let's say to check a message or so?
Yeah for sure, double tap on the side of the headset and you have your pass through enabled, works with Oculus Link, Steam Link and VD. Though you will not have audio from your PC whilst doing that so if you’re on discord for example you’ll go deaf as long as you have pass through enabled
@@Destarn ahhh … my main use was using discord while playing DCS … hehe.
Any idea on how the Quest 3 LCD compares to an OLeD from the likes of Bigscreen Beyond’s VR?
Im just sad that I’m having to think about replacing my HP reverb G2, when it works perfectly fine. Really stupid of microsoft to stop its support for Mixed Reality Headsets.
@@muzzman1030 definitely not OLED levels but better than the G2, there’s also less glare with bright objects in dark scenes so that helps the contrast a bit too. I believe there’s a way to keep audio from the app running in pass through but I haven’t looked into it yet.
Thanks for update @@Destarn
I replaced my G2 with Quest 3. Amazing clarity however I had a dead pixel so I returned it and got another one. The new one has terrible glare and fan noise and also stutters a lot. Briefly having a solid Quest 3 is like winning a lottery.
That’s unfortunate, can’t say I have heard of such issues from my friends who have the Q3 so maybe you got super unlucky both times and received a faulty unit twice?
Fan Nosie from what?
Quest 3 is horrible.....all kinds of issues
Which model offers greater performance ?
If you mean 128v512gb versions, there is no difference.
love both
Glad it works for you. I went from a Rift S to the G2 and I will not leave the G2 till a Non Zuckerberg Company makes a G2 replacement with inside out tracking and No Battery when hooked to PC. That's not $4000.00 lol Good Video.
That's such a thing! I don't understand why there are no new PCVR headsets with inside out tracking. I was very interested in a Big Screen Beyond. Like, "Ok yeah I can stretch to that no problem. Oh wait, I've got to spend close to $500 extra on weird little cubes to clutter up my space and take up outlets? Yeah nah"
well, WMR is basically dead, so that leaves what? Pimax (shit QC/CS, and horrible marketing practices), and the BSB (though both are not inside-out, both require base stations), or you can wait for valves new headset which will likely be $1000+, plus you'll need controllers & probably base stations bringing the cost closer to 1.5k if not more.
Last option would be Pico 4, but that's not readily available in the US, without going grey market, and they just cancelled the Pico 5 so future is unknown.
IMO, the zuck-suck headset is *still* the best option on the market for VR.
Little known fact, but Oculus headsets account for like 60-70% of SteamVR users... Hate to say it, but Oculus is the main driver for PCVR for now.
Hopefully Valve makes their rumored headset true soon…
If you're adamant you don't want a Zucculus just get a Pico4, it's the next best thing to the Quest3 for a reasonable price. But the Q3 really is the best value hmd.
@@Verociity the problem with the Pico4, is that its ByteDance vs Meta. and tbh, I'd take the zucc succ over fucko the CCP feeder any day.
I returned the Quest 3... The Reverb G2 had nowhere near the level of aliasing the Quest 3 had... Yes the pancake lenses are good but it isnt enough for me to enjoy it! I will enjoy the G2 as long as i can and instead upgrade to to the Crystal!
Weird, maybe it was misconfigured? To me aliasing isn’t any different to the G2 at the same resolutions.
i am using quest 3 with virtual desktop an play on an 4070 card in av1 encoder what give the quest a4k resolution an really clear pictures. makes the dcs beautiffull.
also when u play in virtual desktop you're battery wont drain out cause u can keep the cable in the headset play in av1 wireless an keep charging with link cable.
Yeah sadly I’m on a 4090 so no AV1 for me, though I heard it’s very good
@@Destarn u can use av1 with virtual. Desktop that's a real nice program u won't regret getting it it cost something about 20 dollar but it is a real game changer absolutely in dcs!!
Meta is working on the mic from what I've learned possibly through a firmware update
I hope they manage to make it less bad. Imo it’s just bad placement, right in front of the mouth
they never fixed it
Be aware...the Oculus quest app V63 and DCS are not compatible anymore...crashing on startup in VR. Read in DCS forum. I'm one of the affected. No solution yet. Is going to take some time.
There are workarounds but it seems it doesn’t affect me for some reason
The workarounds got me back up. Downloaded two files and copied over to my oculus directory. No more problems.
Ordering: Surely a 4080 can handle it?
Oh yeah easily.
Is the Quest 3 honeymoon over? I came from a G2 also .. was an original pre-order (August 2020; arrived Jan 2021) and my cable just died. I am a few days now into my Q3 and the AR is very very cool (watching movies I would have never done before sitting in my sim rig). My overall main dislike is the latency -- I am on a year old Wifi6 (not E) in a saturated environment (apartment building) . Many of these reviewers have houses away from other people with less wifi signals. I have yet to tweak mine better with Virtual Desktop. My 4090/7800x3d was only recognizing the stock cable as a USB 2 and was horrid with quality until VDesktop. Ordered both a Bobo S3 and a powered link cable. I totally agree on the lenses, though the SDE is much much worse; tradeoffs are still a point after 3 years of VR 2+. I really want(ed) a Pimax Crystal Super, but they do not ship here unfortunately so for me it was a no brainer on the Quest 3 to prevent my rig from dusting up
I use a WiFi 5 router with VD now, and I live in a multi floor apartament with plenty of wifi in the area. I get sub 60ms latency on godlike resolution and 80hz with AV1 10bit. I ditched the cable because of audio crackles which seem to stem from Oculus drivers, though I wish I could use VD wired too, wireless is lovely but not necessary for DCS at all imo. I'm still waiting for Valve to make an Index 2/Deckard a reality though.
@@Destarn I had horrible audio latency and crackles that reminded me of my G2 that had improper contact with the speakers... this was on a USB C cable and I've only used the headset wireless. I'll add a link cable in the next few days and report back my findings. Might be USB drivers fault with AMD mobo (x670)
@@andreas9119 I tried with other cables and with my dedicated PCIE card that I used for the G2 (also on X570 here), it was also present over airlink. As for latency it was fine on cable, non issue
back to the G2....it's amazing, when going back to the G2, I wonder how I ever left it?
@@dabneyoffermein595 My G2's already sold and off to be enjoyed by someone else. Q3 just better and I had money to toss at the microphone and speakers to make that a non issue.
time to get a BoboVR A2
Only for the Quest 2 for now, it won’t fit on the Q3 as far as I can tell.
@@Destarn I believe there are conversion kits but the battery isn't powerful enough to power the Q3
BoboVR sucks damn hard with Quest 3. The Batteries aren´t strong enough
@@Felix-pm1fg how come? They keep my headset charged at 100% for 1.5H roughly, I have two and they perform the same
Only the G2, just nothing compares
Just ordered this. I don't care about the quality of the speakers as I use gaming ones anyway. I've heard from other guys that the pancake lenses are really good for DCS. Vids like this are useful cheers!
in what way does the Q3 outweigh the G2 in DCS, I'm not seeing it at all.
@@dabneyoffermein595 It works for one. I know of so many problems with the G2. I had to get rid of mine it drove me nuts and a friend of mine's just broken too. I'm an oculus fanboy to be fair lol but Very few problems with it and the lenses are vastly superior.
I find the Quest 3 to be a great device for standalone apps and mixed reality (MR). However, for PC VR, the HP Reverb G2 provides more immersion with stereoscopic, lifelike, a realistic graphics. Metal parts look like real metal, the lighting, reflections, and sky appear brighter and closer to real life. The image quality feels more natural and raw, thanks to the DisplayPort connection (unlike the Quest 3, which uses compressed video). I’ll keep the Quest 3 as a VR toy and plan to buy the Pimax Crystal Lite for serious PC VR gaming.( as HP reverb g2 replacement upgrade)
Thanks for the video. Today my G2's left screen started flickerin (like it works only half of the right screens Hz, lowered the hz to 60 and the problem was just bigger. Then left screen worked like 30hz). Anyone else had this kind of issue? But anyways, I also own Pico 4 but I was disapointed with its streaming quality. I am considering to buy Quest 3 but I have my doubts for these streaming headsets instead. So is the image as clear as in G2 and is there much latency?
As shown and said in the video clarity is basically the same, except it’s across the whole screen. As for latency depends on how you want to do it and your networking if you go wireless.
Wired you can go with a very high bitrate giving what is basically a compression artefact free image with no considerable latency. Wireless (with virtual desktop) you can get pretty good quality compression wise with under 60ms latency - not an issue for me but it varies from person to person.
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I swapped G2 to Q3 and it's infinitely better. My G2 is gathering dust with another cable going down faulty. So glad I don't have to deal with this bs anymore playing wireless. Also dumb tiny sweet spot that won't even go to 70mm ipd is gone, bye bye. Q3 visuals are way way better due to pancakes and bigger IPD
i will wait for the pimax 12k to change the g2!
great video. what do you have on the quest 3 controllers? some kind of rubber grips?
Yes, I got them from
vortex VR
I am so disappointed that Microsoft is deprecating WMR (making my G2 completely useless.)
Yeah it’s a shame, it’s still a solid headset and you can get them really cheap now. I can only hope someone comes up with a non ms dependent way to use it but that’s about it
I think that want everyone needs to factor in is not just specs, but WMR. It’s not supported, the next Windows 11 update is apparently bricking the G2. You also have to factor in that I’ve had to turn off SteamVR Room, motion vector, reduce quality to 50%, and do all sorts of other tweaks just to get it to work. Most times opening SteamVR I’d just freeze or lag out. The visuals itself are blurry and text have god rays and are basically unreadable without straining your eyes. Pass through is abysmal, and having to hold up controllers to see circles of a 240 p grey reality is horrid. There is not world where I’d recommend the G2 in the current day. The resolution difference is so minor.
Thinks like comfort or battery can be fixed with a good strap, and more 3rd parties support Quest products.
Don’t buy a G2 in 2024, you’ve been warned.
For sure, though WMR can remain enabled as long as you disable feature updates, both in W10 and 11.
@@Destarn I think that when a company and a platform/program no longer supports a headset that needs both, it's not worth it. If you have your headset break, need a replacement part, or need an upgrade, a bug fix, or anything really, having no support is terrible. I mean WMR is not even in a good state atm, and it bugs out all the time in conjunction with SteamVR. WMR also has issues with finding games to launch from your PC.
I mean I'm lucky that I don't have automatic updates turned on, but if I ever run into an issue that requires a Windows update, I'm screwed tbh.
If you already have a G2, do your best to keep it and deal with it (which is what I'm doing), but if don't, It's not worth "upgrading" to one over a Quest 3 imo. The pancake lenses by themselves are insane for visual clarity, which is sorely needed on any old VR headset.
@@readifdumb I don’t think anyone would see changing to the G2 from a Quest 3 an upgrade. My video was mean merely as a comparison of both to see if it’s worth to change from G2 to Q3. When I was writing the video I wasn’t even aware of WMR being discontinued so right now I’m even more biased towards the Quest lol
@@Destarn Ah okay. I guess mine was more so a warning. Because some people hate Meta/Facebook, don't want to have an account, don't want compression, want good audio, and care a lot about flight sims/racing sims, and resolution. On paper all these things could lead someone to buy a G2, so my comment was more as an extra warning alongside your video to fully cover it.
I have managed to get my G2 working through trial and error, but I haven't fixed the blurry visuals, and still have issues with controllers, passthrough, weight, cord, etc.
Quest 2 and 3 on the other hand seem like plug and play for the most part.
@@readifdumb there’s some setup involved but much less than with the G2 for sure. It’s tricky to get it working properly. Q2 I don’t know but from people who owned both the G2 and Q2 it was better to get the Reverb for DCS. With the Q3 it’s basically out of the question
G2 was useless for me, my IPD is 68.2 so it should be just about ok but it was blurry enough to be annoying... Guess I can try the Q3, what's another $600 🤷♂
Q3 with godlike settings is better than G2. Confirmed
"..is it possible to learn this power?"
@@Verociity The virtual desktop side of the force is a screen resolution some consider to be....
I'm confused, there's a lot to be desired, can you list all the advantages, I see none
"DCS World - Reverb G2 vs Quest 3" - yo there is like 1/5 of the film that covers these headsets in terms of playing dcs with it. Half of the video is about audio and *ROOMSCALE GAMING*, I repeat, the name of the video is "DCS World - Reverb G2 vs Quest 3"...
There’s only one section with DCS in the name but the content within is still relevant to DCS. It uses the screens and my biggest issues regarding the Q3 was about audio so there was a bit more rambling about that, sure. Sounding like you’re flying a WW2 plane without a canopy on SRS because of the issues described within the video isn’t that great. And considering that it’s a decent improvement for DCS over the G2 but a massive for roomscale gaming I found it important to mention since it’s a massive strength of this headset even if it goes a bit off topic of our beloved flight sim. Thanks for the input though!
Hp is quality
Quest is china.....
Funny, both are made there and in my experience the G2 had more QC issues than the quest…
HP hasn't been "Quality" anything since the mid Nineties when they went full Woke. I used to work at HP on Stevens Creek in 53U NSD and saw it firsthand. Black chicks that knew nothing about Computers were being put in management positions because of skin color and nothing else.
G2 is total quality, feels like something with amazing quality, the Quest feels like it was made in a hurry
@@dabneyoffermein595 The G2 is total crap. It wont be supported by WMR for much longer and then it will be pure worthless junk.
Your Comparing 2020 To 2023 Tech. IMO, If HP Stayed In The Game, Their Newer Product Would Have Been Better.
Indeed I am. It is still a very good headset it’s just starting to show it’s age. We can definitely guess what could’ve been but WMR is dead and HP haven’t made any new VR hardware since 2021 when they stopped at the G2 Omnicept.
Older tech can often be superior too. In this case, I like the G2 way more because it's native PCVR - a nearly abandoned concept nowadays. Besides, 3 years is not really a lot for today's electronics.
@@Destarn do you REALLY think that WIN11 would brick the G2? Gates is not going to let that happen.
@@yeruschmift8422 PCVR is amazing
G2 has the worst controller tracking
It’s not amazing but personally I didn’t really have many issues with G2s tracking in my 3 years of use