A random and tragic thought occurs to me; in the psychic awakenings story Ragnar did behead Ghazkull, so it's entirely possible that the Imperium genuinely thought they had killed him for good. The idea that Yarrick thought it was finally over and, through fatigue and age catching up with him, passing in his sleep as that weight is finally lifted from his shoulders, does gain a tragic spin when Ghaz returns, stronger than ever with his new body.
Yarrick was old to start with, he was due to retire the day that the 2nd Invasion of Armageddon began. Without his driving need to put an end to the threat to the Imperium that is Ghazghkull leading huge Waaaghs, I can easily see Yarrick finally accepting retirement and ending up passing in his sleep.
@@danielmclellan1522 I would also like to add that a Cryptman sympathizer deliberately working to misinform the orks that it was Angron would be icing on the cake.
Personally, I still believe that it should be the forces of Khorne that kill Yarrick in some way, that way Thraka will declare war on all of Khorne's realm. Bring in Gork and Mork to face Khorne.
I’d be down for that ONLY if it’s a legit stalemate beat down for both sides in endless war. Neither one should truly lose, they’ve been worfed enough already.
@@RIVALBLACKWELL tell that to the Octavios war I personally whould of liked that Orks and Tyranids whould never be able to take down the other cause there both evenly matched and that both side would get so big cause collateral damage around the respective solar system that a third party had to come in and break the fight up. Like necrons or imperial exterminatus.
@@RIVALBLACKWELL No, Khorne/Angron deserve to lose. Ork players just had to suffer the insulting outcome of losing to the damn swarmlord aka 40k's most prolific jobber.
I remember once reading a fanfiction where Yarrick and Gazgull have their final battle, but after impaling one another, the pair fall into a ravine The orcs believe the pair are still fighting, down there, the sheer scale of the battle causing massive earthquakes and tectonic activity for centuries to come.
I think they killed him off offscreen because they couldn't figure out a way to kill him that would live up to his reputation. As much as I HATE the fact that they killed him off, there is a part of me that hopes he was killed by Angron, specifically as a way to motivate Thraka to declare a WAAAAGH against Angron for 'robbing him' of his rival. I mean, you have to admit this IS going to piss off Thraka if GW has any semblance of understanding of character growth. Edit: GW not GM thanks for pointing that out lol
They killed him off screen because the 'animation' is a lazy joke of a slideshow. If they had hired decent artists and given them time to work it would have been great instead it looks like a bad hybrid of cheap anime a Nickelodeon cartoon. GW art used to be amazing.
I honestly want it to be Thrakka that killed him. Thrakka had mad respect for Yarrick in my eyes. No one better to die to then a respected enemy or one who respects you.
I imagine they could do something very cool with that, Thrakka running around beating up Chaos Forces and the like. They also might have done it off screen to be like "The rumors were wrong tee hee he is back"
A reverse-saint, he's not brought about by the hope of the Imperium or the will of the Emperor; he's a manifestation of the waagh that materialises as a oddly-brutish commissar to give the orks a good fight when a battle with humies gets too borin'.
@@nasteypenguin "He's an ork saint now. When the orks are winning too easily a giant commisar with one laser eye apears on the humie side and starts screaming "oi, ya gits! Back to figtin or i'll krump ya myself"(in orkish)." comment on this video that i feel belongs here ruclips.net/video/On2fy_aFncI/видео.html
Angron: You can't defeat me, mortal. Titus: I know. But, I believe *HE* can. Ghazskull, on his ship bow coming into the planet's atmosphere with rage in his face: *A N G R O N ! I'M GONNA KHRUMP YA'R ARSH! WAAAAAAAAARRGGGHH!!!!*
Yeah for many reasons, just imagine the face of the staff that enters the bathroom to fetch him because he was taking an awful lot of time in the shower and realize that a wet floor did what one the biggest hellholes in the galaxy could not, that's some comedy there.
@@Sealdeam Personally, I'm imagining a scenario like _The Death of Stalin_ , whereby his command staff do all they can to try and cover up the ignoble death of one of the Imperium's greatest heroes. "Okay, if anyone says anything...He died fighting Angron." "He doesn't look like he died fighting Angron, he looks like he died in the bloody shower!" "Watch your mouth, and show some respect! He was a hero who died in battle with the forces of the Ruinous Powers! Now, grab the shower curtain and wrap him up in it while we carry him out, and then we'll figure out what to do later." " _This_ shower curtain? The pink one with the pastel blue aquila?" "Yes, for fuck's sake! It was a gift from the Governor of--forget it, just start wrapping! Think of it as...wrapping a present for Sanguinala." "Emperor above..."
I am fairly certain GW had plans for several more "Warzone" Books meant to flesh out the conflicts of 9th Edition, using the same format as Octarius and Nachmund. White Dwarf released two Armies of Renown for the Necrons with two for the World Eaters coming in the following volumes. From that, I think they meant to release a Warzone: Nephilim (Pariah Nexus) and a Warzone: Armageddon book(s), to give some narrative behind Szarekh and Angron's return. Yarrick's fate would have probably been explained there. But with the bad rep, these Books got and the fanbase growing tired of Campaign books bringing more Matched Play modification, they back-pedalled on those and worked on Arks of Omen instead. And yes, I know Yarrick wasn't supposed to be on Armageddon at the time, but again, that wouldn't be the most non-sensical retcon ever made for the sake of plot (Hello again Decimus, how's that attack on Ulthwe coming along ?) It's the one explanation that makes sense because...well, Yarrick isn't the only character whose model and rules were shafted out of Codex: Astra Militarum, yet he's the only one getting lore about it. Pask is no longer available, but the Codex confirms he's around and kicking, for example. So they had to want to do something with Yarrick, given that artwork of commission for the "De Gloria Yarrick" page. With that in mind, the current situation is probably GW being vague so they can reintroduce that plotline later, or bring back Yarrick in a good old "death twist".
I always try to do the "Wait and See" approach before I pass judgement on something. So I'm willing to wait a while to see if they're gonna do anything with his death. But if we don't know how he died by the end of the year then they fucked up his death
They could've at least made Yarrick into a limited edition servo skull model. I haven't got to that year of the setting yet as I'm perpetually stuck in horus heresy and how a massive event it is. Looking forward to learning about this rivalry and disappointing end that it might have. Anyhow, love your videos! Keep up the great work!
Yarrick and Ghaz was great, because they we the only characters mentioned in opposing codices. They way they admired the tactics and brilliance of the other was great to see.
I have faith in the “no resolution” part. I think that’s the point. You as the reader are supposed to feel the frustration. And when they have gazgkhul in the next book you’re going to identify with that frustration and understand whatever motivations drive his decisions. It’s real life. Sometimes stories end abruptly and with no closure. But great story can be built from that.
I'd have to disagree. Warhammer's not real life. Closing off an epic tale that's been running for, what, 30-40 years IRL, with 'yeah, this big-name character died. We're not gonna tell you how, because fuck you' is considered among most fanbases as a dick move. It'd be like closing off Return of the Jedi halfway through with a cut to black, and a scrolling message that Luke Skywalker fell into the sarlacc, and that both Palpatine and Vader just died of simultaneous heart attacks. People would be walking out of theatres feeling scammed, and for good fucking reason.
I don't like warhammer for boring generic psychological studies about loss, that would be absolute garbage and completely disrespecting the character for the sake of something done endlessly and an overall addition to the litany of nihilistic "expectation subverting" garbage made by modern media members.
@@Nikotheleepic I think the middle ground would be better here. Yarrick dying of old age leaving the audience initially frustrated by the anticlimactic end but then turning out that Tarrick had of course planned for his very likely death and had formulated a contingency plan based on the event of his death that ultimately saved Armageddon in a more effective manner than an old man yelling orders could have possibly done.
@@cakeboss4194 this comment just made me imagine Luke standing in front of Vader and Palpatine. Then in the middle of his speech he just keels over dead clutching at his heart. Lol
If the fans are frustrated by this, imagine how frustrated Ghazkull must be. Nobody would have wanted that grandiose final confrontation more than him, so I see no other alternative than him being completely enraged. Whoever killed him off, angron or not, has made an enemy for life. So maybe it won't be lazy after all. Maybe now the orks have a new priority.
Personally I am hoping that Angron did kill off Yarrick. I do hope it gets it's own story to it soon in all honesty. Yarrick deserves to have his final chapter told. The reasons I want it to be Angron who does him in is it is a true enemy of the imperium and definitely someone who Yarrick's superiors would send their best, so Yarrick, to fight. I also like it because this shifts the grudge that Ghazghkull had with Yarrick to Angron. It is the only way I could imagine Ghazghkull accepting he defeated Yarrick now is by defeating Angron. Let's all be honest with ourselves here, it would feel very empty if Yarrick won the fight with Ghazghkull by launching mass artillery down on his location until the hole is deep enough that it would make for a great place to begin the construction of a hive city. There was never going to be a situation where Yarrick 1v1's Ghazghkull and wins. Now Ghazghkull vs Angron I could see that being a much closer fight and a much more exciting read. These are just my thoughts and I would love to hear what others think of them.
It would be ironically more poetic if Angron downright ignored Yarrick for being a decrepit old man "with no fight left in him" and Yarrick did die of a heart attack due to old age during the campaign (but not without making a contingency plan that ultimately fucked over Angron's objective).
Though it wouldn't be unreasonable by ork logic for Ghaz to have some cold "feh not so great after all" reaction to the news It would also be very veeery boreing, and this is an entertainment product so it needs to entertain. As such either Yarrick was apparently killed by Ghaz, or Ghaz is gonna start a new rivalry with the git who did Yarrick in. Peaceful deaths and dismissive attitudes are not options for resolving 30 year long plot threads.
Sadly, those are definately service studs so its a random marine. I say sadly cause Thrakka getting an itsy bitsy annoyed and going to have a "stern word" with Angron would be one of the greatest story arcs in GW history. Can you imagine Angron, chilling in the hot tub on his demon world when he gets word there is an angry orc who wants to talk to him. (Cue to Saruman stood on the battlements and several thousand slavering orcs chanting Yarricks name).
I can’t decide I like the idea of it being Angron making Thraka decalare a WAAAAGH on Chaos, but the thought of Yarrick and Thraka fighting one final time and it almost being a mark of respect knowing Yarrick wants to die in battle before the Empire take him off the front lines is just too perfect
It wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't in fact dead, but was believed to be and at some point in the future he comes back into the fray, with perhaps a small force gathered with him. It's a classic trope.
I would have been more confused if Yarrick was still alive in the 40K “present” myself. He was already an old man ready to retire at the time of the Second War of Armageddon, and that was a few centuries before the “present” time now. Even with juvenat treatments he was just a “normal” human and wasn’t just taking it easy somewhere. I would not be surprised if GW brings out some kind of relic in the future based around Yarrick though, probably something that works best against Orks.
The smart thing to do at this point would be to tell a story in which Yarrick is officially declared dead after having been framed for some kind of heresy and the Imperium is actively trying to kill him to maintain this story (because it would be a huge moral loss if people found out Yarrick turned traitor) while Yarrick himself is on the run and trying to clear his name and more importantly stop the Chaos plot that framed him from achieving whatever dastardly goal he discovered, hence why they framed him, to discredit him and ideally get him killed. In the end Yarrick succeeds and is officially resurrected as a saint (in name only, because he never actually died) which not only elevates his status in the Imperium it also causes the Orks to get really excited because they get to fight the new and improved Yarrick version 2.0, a perception which may or may not be empowering Yarrick in some way.
NGL I still want to see if Angron does kill Yarrick this will cause Thraka to go super saiyan rage at the loss of his frienemy and transform into a krork. All just to kill angron for killing his bestest enemy.
One way to get around the rejuvanant treatment option would be just for him and the templars to keep the pursuit up, only stopping to resupply at the sort of forge world that wouldn't have these. It could actually be cool to do a "picard" style thing with Yarrick where he just gets older and crazier as he can't keep up the pursuit and eventually just his body fails
I agree, I like the idea of guard character, even ones as influential as Yarrick, dieing regularly and being succeeded by characters, be they good or bad. Sells the grimdank that to serve in the Guard is to serve in a meatgrinder. However, I'd hope we get written lore. At the very least.
I'm hoping he becones an imperial saint. Even if he wasn't the most pious of the emperor's servants, he was revered enough that his death would cause a disturbance in the warp.
Question, unrelated to the video: MANY years ago, I read a book that involved a Space Marine Chapter, who's name I have forgotten. They supposedly happened upon either a shard of the Emperor, or the physical body itself. It was not long after the Horus heresy where they found him: dark hair, chiseled features wearing a necklace with the imperial eagles. Mumbling phrases like, "do I live, do I dream?". He was covered in wounds that were similar to the Emperors wounds after he fought Horus. The Chapter returned all of their forces back to their Fortress Monastery and haven't left since. I remember reading it in absolute fascination. Unfortunately I was vacationing when I read it and left the book in my Hotel room years ago. I know it sounds insane... does the story ring a bell? I wish to continue it.
That would be an Angels Resplendent/Angels Penitent short story by Peter Fehevari. I've forgotten the name of it off the top of my head, but I hope that info helps you find it ^^
I almost feel like by having Yarrick's death happen off screen they're setting us up for some sort of inevitable return. Like, I could see Trazyn having taken Yarrick for his collection, only to later drop him off somewhere convenient before Ghaz gets a little too "The Beast" like or something. It definitely feels like a shame to never see the Yarrick/Ghaz arc come to a conclusion though.
Perfect place for GW to begin with a trickling storyline about the circumstances of Yarrick's death. One with false leads, conflicting testimonies, intercepted cables contradicting official messaging, decrypted insider leaks, etc. that taken together not only reveal the true nature of Yarrick's end but actually foment a larger and more noteworthy turn of the plot wheel.
...This is a valid point. And if Angron _did_ take his skull, the Imperium would find a replacement just like they did with his iconic missing arm in order to preserve his honor (and because the Mechanicus would throw a fit if they kept the Ork powerclaw around.
Huge missed opportunity. If BL had released a book 6 months ago and in the final act, Yarrick had died, that would have been a twist no one saw coming. The Siege of Terra series can't have a twist as we know the ending, the final showdown of Yarrick could have been fantastic for the setting, showing no one is safe. It will likely be revisited in the Angron Ark of Omens book, I say that because they're really going to need to pad out the series
I personally think that Yarrick’s death is being written and GW for whatever reason thought it was a good idea/ had to drop the fact that he was dead before whatever medium the scene takes place in was released. Personally I’d like if they split the difference between having him die to Ghaz or Angron. Let the two meet one final time in a battle they know will be their last, maybe Yarrick admits he respects Ghazkull’s tenacity or something, only for Angron to come in and kil Yarrick. It resolves the rivalry, it gives Yarrick a proper goodbye and it give Ghazkull a motivation that could carry him into becoming a Krorc.
I think how they are handling it is actually pretty great. As the author mentioned the Yarrick/Ghazgull story line is pretty much played out, and having them duel to the death finally would be, I don't know, meh. But having Yarrick die and his Ork nemesis declaring vengeance on his behalf against Angron is pretty awesome. And since it happened offscreen, there is even the possibility that Yarrick faked his death, somehow intuiting that Ghaz would want vengeance against anyone who took his favorite toy away other than him. Only for Ghaz and Angron to beat each other's armies to pieces, with maybe Yarrick swooping in to mop of the pieces and have a good laugh. Pretty sure even Ghaz would find that funny.
I don’t think his death being “announced” off screen is bad. They just need to do something with it eventually. I like it being that Angron did it, and using that to kick start a Gaskhul v Angron rivalry. Alternatively. Yarrick faking his death at the hands of Angron to trick the Orks into going after the primarch could be a fantastic twist. Even would explain why it’s so hushed, because it’s a trick.
Part of Gazgul will miss Yarrik. I just see him after the battle. Him elated at having FINALLY had that big throwdown fight he'd been itching for, forever, and right as one of his war bosses starts to approach Yarrik's corpse t odo orky things to it. 'OI! he gave a good proppah fight! Let 'em alone sozda hummies can find 'em! Let dem do humie things wit da body.'
I felt they tossed Yarrick aside when they had a campaign of Ragnar going after Ghaz. As a fan of Yarrick and getting into the guard during the big Armageddon event all those years ago, I think Ghaz killing Yarrick would have been a dramatic way to end the rivalry, and give the bump to Ghaz to explain why Ragnar needed to go after him.
1:33 Taking a look at that picture closely, that skull does look like it has service-studs on it. So even if the jury's out on whether or not Angron killed Yarrick, we can safely say that isn't his skull at least. I'll admit that it is disappointing to see him killed off-screen, especially since this means that now Ghaz's and Yarrick's rivalry will never see resolution; and damn if that wasn't a fun story in of itself. That a single, otherwise ordinary human could earn the respect/admiration/fear of the Orks to such an extent in the WH40K is beyond badass. For m part, I can't rightfully say how I would have ended Yarrick's story... Though it would likely involve one last show-down between Old Bale Eye and Ghaz.
Alright here's how I would've handled it if I got to write the lore. Yarrik doesn't die in glorious combat with Gazgul. No, instead he's found atop his baneblade, still holding his last vigil. Still as stone and not breathing anymore. This causes the Imperial advance to suddenly halt as they start gathering around the fortress tank. The Orkz pause, witnessing something bizzare coming from their beloved foes and move in to investigate, hoping for a trap. A trap that is never sprung. Gazgul sees his old nemesis atop the Baneblade, a Medicae slowly shaking their head to a nearby officer who removes his hat in respect. This causes EVERYONE, Human and Ork alike to doff headgear in a breif moment of silence for Gazgul's "Favorite Humie". This will of course spawn several short stories of various humans and orkz relating their stories about Yarrik (not in the same scene of course, but let it be ambiguous as to when it occurs, and the humans and orks are NOT sharing a camp). Gazgul withdraws his forces for one full day to allow "Da Humies ta do da propa fing" and afterwards they return to fighting, with Gazgul loudly proclaiming that the glory of this battle, is Yarrik's, "Da Only Humie ta be a proper Ork Fight". Which of course nets us a very savage fight scene where both sides go all out. No soppy feelings, just pure rage and firepower spectacle of the IG and Orkz of Gazgul's WAAAAAAAGH duking it out WWI style.
Love the memes of Gaz hating Angron because of Yarricks death. I feel there could be a great story telling component with an Ork blood rival against Angron & chaos.
Commissar Yarrick died in the most macho way possible: riding a Space Shark, strapped with 250 pounds worth of Krak grenades, into the mouth of Mount Deathfire! It was glorious.
Thraka declaring war on Angron would be fascinating from a story perspective and quite a natural reaction. Nothing like this has ever happened - it would be really good to watch unfold. I can imagine Thraka seeking out Angron, coming into contact with chaos, disrupting rituals, even gaining the attention of Khorne at one point. I don't know how it would end, the idea of Gork and Mork being pulled in as some have mentioned might make the setting suddenly to elaborate. I guess that would be harder to write or to bring to a satisfactory ending.
Killing Yarrick of-screen is probably the 2nd most offensive thing GW has ever done, 1st being threatening lawsuits against any/all fan made content on 40k.
My head canon is Guilliman gave the same talk to Yarrick that he gave to Marshall Helbrecht about being obsessed with Orks. Now he is leading armies against Chaos and other Xenos.
4:07 not wasteful at all if used properly. In fact, it's the perfect setup for an epic story in it's own right. Not lazy, not wasteful, not stupid, but immaculate story telling and leads to interesting things for Thrakka
If Yarrick was killed by Chaos Ghazgul should make a giant Waagh for the Eye of Terror (or wherever Angron is) Sort of a vendetta for killing the one good humie. Also if thats Yarricks skull than Ghazgul would want to retrieve it.
They are prepared to bullshit their way through just to shove more lore onto the shelves at this point Ramleiz. Saga of the Beast comes to mind, some hokey warp raid by the Young Wolf, over the Cicatrix Maledictim, THAT NO ONE ELSE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO CROSS, and drops right on Thraka's head, decapitates him and is wounded in return, just to justify Blackmane getting the Primaris geneseed. Oh and yeah Thraka somehow survives getting his head reattached. Wut, GW, just fucking WUT
Orks getting their heads loped off and reattached have been a thing before, so Thraka losing his and getting reattached isn't too out there. But yes, having the Young Wolf instead of Yarrick being the guy to do it was insulting.
@@internetzenmaster8952 please direct me to one. Legs, arms, getting cut in half, stomped on or dropped from orbit ive heard of. Never heard of one getting decapitated, and surviving. Even Thraka's brain plate was a long shot even by ork standards.
And then they kill Yarrick. Thrakas main antagonist. The most important human to orks…….. isn’t even the one to decapitate him. Some random character not even a black Templar, Salamander or blood Angel who have deep Ties to Armageddon campaigns.
Last separate comment, but when you mentioned that how they wrote him out was lazy. That got me thinking. If it truly was that they wrote him out because GW said we're not going to sell the model for whatever reason, it might have been that they rode him out that way in an attempt to rile up the fan base.
I really like the idea that the Orcs go to war with Angron "for" Yarrick - but not based on that skull from that picture, this box-bionic looks nothing like Yarricks red eye! Oc it could be an artist choice, but it would be a poor one!
My first introduction to 40k was a war for Armageddon video. I remember listening to it from beginning to end. Yarrik has been one of the first characters I came to respect in the setting. His duty is done.
I like the mystery. It leaves so much open for the fans to make their own canon. Maybe he isn't dead? Maybe he became one of the few male sants? So many options for new lore.
The fan fiction of Angron killing off Yarrick is actually good. It makes sense. It lets a very old man finally get his rest, while opening the next chapter for Gaz. Told well, it could be a great story arch
I think it's due to a mismatched or rearrangement of material that's led to the current situation. If Yarrick was killed by Angron, then it's probably the World Eaters book or an Arks of Omen book that tells the story and maybe were originally supposed to come out before the Astra Militarum book, but due to demand or issues or whatever, the news of his death precedes the story that led to it. I think it's been established that the flow of lore, rules, and models starts with art design for the models, then lore, then rules. GW emphasized in a business meeting that they're a miniatures company first. It's likely that when they came to the Imperial Guard range refresh, they decided to discontinue Yarrick instead of redesign him. But we'll see. I'm fairly confident that Angron did kill him or. something else happened and that it's all one big mystery for a reveal later. Hell, for all we know he'll come back as a skeleton commander kept alive only by waaagh magic or some nonsense.
The WarCom article on Yarrick hints at the possibility that he isn’t actually dead, so it would be interesting if the eulogy was a red herring and we might see him re-emerging sometime in the future, badder than ever
True, but WarCom also gets info wrong on an unsettlingly frequent basis (like calling Remus Ventanus a Night Lord when he was an Ultramarine, or by calling the Death Guard the 7th Legion when they were the 14th).
@@40KTheories This is true. If it isn't a red herring, and he's actually dead, options are either it was lazy writing (Lord knows they're not above that, see Fantasy's End Times), or we'll get a proper rewind story in the future. It's really weird they went this route, considering they did a whole Hammer and Bolter animation for Yarrick. Poor old bastard deserves better.
I think Yarrick dying off screen works great if 1) he died of old age, and 2) Ghazghkull (I fucking hate spelling his name) goes through a crisis when he learns of his great nemesis dying off without having a last fight with him.
I would actually be ok if Angron came out of nowhere and killed Yarrick. It would set up a feud between Angron and Ghaz of all things which would be incredibly interesting. I believe this would be the first try Ork vs Chaos since Demon Killa made his mad dash into the eye of Terror. Hell, maybe Khorne unleashes his pet Demon Killa to battle Ghaz along side Angron...
I managed to find a less blurry image of angron's model than yours and yes i can confirm those are service studs that's a space marine skull not to mention that even if angron killed yarrick chaos has a thing for desecrating corpses especially of imperial ESPECIALLY of notorious imperials such as yarrick they wouldn't have been able to retrieve his body
I reckon he's still alive, Missing in action but there's been some "evidence" to his little expedition (or whatever you wanna call what he's up to at the time) getting destroyed, but he's out there being the grizzled old bastard mopping up the enemy and slowly gathering strength to him. Cue the novel "Death of Yarrick : Bus pass to hell" being announced and it being a fooking blinder, in which he does finally die but not before giving Ghazghul the true meaning of Imperial christmas, a massive and permanent scar. Also fondness and respect.
I would want to see Yarrick vs Gazgul one last time. But Yarrick could be dying of uncurable illness. And both of them knowing that Yarrick would die, he would be like: ''I do not have much of time left... let's have fight to the end... one... last time. What do you say, Gazgul?'' It would be surely emotional. Even for readers.
Commander Yarrick is still alive. All GW lore changes since 2005 are simply opinions ignore them, I do. The Old World still exists I am proud to say I have never played a single game of Age of Stinkmar.
It's a placeholder skeleton, for Yarrick being away in secret? Maybe a secret mission, allowing him to return in the next edition? I wouldn't put it passed GW to do that.
Ghazghkull and Yarrick fighting each other isn't what's special about their story - arch nemesises are fairly common across the setting. What's special about these two is the moment when Ghazghkull lets Yarrick go, and that would be ruined by one of them finishing off the other. Yarrick dying off screen is pretty much the least expected development, and it creates real anticipation for the writers to make it good. I am not saying they won't mess it up, but I am a lot more interested to see how it actually plays out, than in some final duel or whatever. Who knows - maybe the theories that Yarrick is a perpetual are true and he comes back.
Either he needs to have died in a final showdown with Ghazkull, or Angron killed hin and thus Ghazkull is now pissed and gunning fot Angron as he was denied said final showdown with his rival. Both options allow for different ways to advance Ghazkull's story, thus they really need to do one of those.
If Yarrick was killed by Angron (or one of his minions) Ghazghkull could get so mad that he would probably take all the orcs in the galaxy and then fly to the Eye of Terror, beat Angron to death and possibly even Khorne himself.
I think your points are all incredibly valid. I think you're right about all of the issues you take. But I have to think they wouldn't be so lazy as to just trash a character like yarrick. I mean they had to go out of there way to make it known that he died. Wouldn't doing that be for a reason? Like don't you think they have a plan that is bigger than just a basic off screen death? Like maybe this is just part 1 of a multi step story that begins with yarricks "supposed" death or even his actual death. Not knowing the story does leave this open to a plot mystery or the possibility of using yarricks death to push the reader in a specific direction. Idk and I have no theories, I just can't imagine they would do it that way
Gotta admit, watching the Orks make a beeline straight to Angron to the eye of terror is a hilarious idea
It was at this moment that he knew he fucked up.
@@cpaul562 Read that in Morgan Freeman's voice
@@cpaul562 not just he whose fucked, every one in chaos is fucked... so Angrons got some explaining to do
You dont take a good enemy from the orks... Especially if since Thrakka let him go
@@historytank5673 somehow I doubt slaanesh and its followers mind being fucked.
A random and tragic thought occurs to me; in the psychic awakenings story Ragnar did behead Ghazkull, so it's entirely possible that the Imperium genuinely thought they had killed him for good. The idea that Yarrick thought it was finally over and, through fatigue and age catching up with him, passing in his sleep as that weight is finally lifted from his shoulders, does gain a tragic spin when Ghaz returns, stronger than ever with his new body.
This, or the WAAAGH! energy was severed long enough for the orks belief in Yarrick's Orkiness to stop sustaining him.
Yarrick was old to start with, he was due to retire the day that the 2nd Invasion of Armageddon began. Without his driving need to put an end to the threat to the Imperium that is Ghazghkull leading huge Waaaghs, I can easily see Yarrick finally accepting retirement and ending up passing in his sleep.
I love it. It's perfect. Which is why I'm afraid they're not going to do it.
Kind of like the end of Romeo and Juliet....spoiler alert.
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I would also like to add that a Cryptman sympathizer deliberately working to misinform the orks that it was Angron would be icing on the cake.
Personally, I still believe that it should be the forces of Khorne that kill Yarrick in some way, that way Thraka will declare war on all of Khorne's realm. Bring in Gork and Mork to face Khorne.
I’d be down for that ONLY if it’s a legit stalemate beat down for both sides in endless war. Neither one should truly lose, they’ve been worfed enough already.
@@RIVALBLACKWELL tell that to the Octavios war I personally whould of liked that Orks and Tyranids whould never be able to take down the other cause there both evenly matched and that both side would get so big cause collateral damage around the respective solar system that a third party had to come in and break the fight up. Like necrons or imperial exterminatus.
@@RIVALBLACKWELL No, Khorne/Angron deserve to lose. Ork players just had to suffer the insulting outcome of losing to the damn swarmlord aka 40k's most prolific jobber.
This isnt your idea though, every warhammer youtuber ive seen has said this and many many many people on forums and social media have said this
Having a legitimate Chaos Incursion threat completely wrecked by Ghazkul and his boys would be a pretty fitting twist
"Without Yarrick, WAAAGGGGHHH haz no punchline." - Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka probably
I remember once reading a fanfiction where Yarrick and Gazgull have their final battle, but after impaling one another, the pair fall into a ravine The orcs believe the pair are still fighting, down there, the sheer scale of the battle causing massive earthquakes and tectonic activity for centuries to come.
What's it called?
I read "fanfiction with yarrick and Thraka" and i started panicking! XD
I think they killed him off offscreen because they couldn't figure out a way to kill him that would live up to his reputation. As much as I HATE the fact that they killed him off, there is a part of me that hopes he was killed by Angron, specifically as a way to motivate Thraka to declare a WAAAAGH against Angron for 'robbing him' of his rival. I mean, you have to admit this IS going to piss off Thraka if GW has any semblance of understanding of character growth.
Edit: GW not GM thanks for pointing that out lol
I doubt they do.
They killed him off screen because the 'animation' is a lazy joke of a slideshow. If they had hired decent artists and given them time to work it would have been great instead it looks like a bad hybrid of cheap anime a Nickelodeon cartoon. GW art used to be amazing.
I honestly want it to be Thrakka that killed him. Thrakka had mad respect for Yarrick in my eyes. No one better to die to then a respected enemy or one who respects you.
I imagine they could do something very cool with that, Thrakka running around beating up Chaos Forces and the like.
They also might have done it off screen to be like "The rumors were wrong tee hee he is back"
GM is a car manufacturer, isn't it?
Hot take: this is in fact a plot to turn Yarrick into some sort of Imperial Saint that gets back up and goes back to killing things.
A reverse-saint, he's not brought about by the hope of the Imperium or the will of the Emperor; he's a manifestation of the waagh that materialises as a oddly-brutish commissar to give the orks a good fight when a battle with humies gets too borin'.
@@nasteypenguin The Stormboyz would love it.
Sly Marbo: Yarrick, the Emperor needs you to continue wrecking the enemies of humanity. Get up and fight as a Saint.
@@nasteypenguin "He's an ork saint now. When the orks are winning too easily a giant commisar with one laser eye apears on the humie side and starts screaming "oi, ya gits! Back to figtin or i'll krump ya myself"(in orkish)."
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Ugghhh, why is this entirely believable?
Theory: Yarrick wanted to retire so he faked his own death so the Orks would stop hounding him.
I like this theory, I'm sure Yarrick would get bored after a while, dust off his chain sword and come out of retirment... !
Counterpoint: The Orks aren't hounding him. He's hounding the Orks.
"I'm gettin' too old for this shit."
Killing orcs IS Yarrick’s retirement
This is more like Cains move. Yarrick is way too fighty, being killed by Angron is believable
Angron: You can't defeat me, mortal.
Titus: I know. But, I believe *HE* can.
Ghazskull, on his ship bow coming into the planet's atmosphere with rage in his face: *A N G R O N ! I'M GONNA KHRUMP YA'R ARSH! WAAAAAAAAARRGGGHH!!!!*
AAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
YEEEESSS
YEEEEESSSSS.
It's All Ork Now.
“WAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHH!!”
Angron: what the f-
*Worlds most biggest boom*
The idea of yarrik just slipping in the shower is fucking hilarious
Orks: Ya see ya gitz, dis is why we don't washen up!
Yeah for many reasons, just imagine the face of the staff that enters the bathroom to fetch him because he was taking an awful lot of time in the shower and realize that a wet floor did what one the biggest hellholes in the galaxy could not, that's some comedy there.
This is canon. CANON.
@@Malvictis who says simpleton nowadays unironically
@@Sealdeam Personally, I'm imagining a scenario like _The Death of Stalin_ , whereby his command staff do all they can to try and cover up the ignoble death of one of the Imperium's greatest heroes.
"Okay, if anyone says anything...He died fighting Angron."
"He doesn't look like he died fighting Angron, he looks like he died in the bloody shower!"
"Watch your mouth, and show some respect! He was a hero who died in battle with the forces of the Ruinous Powers! Now, grab the shower curtain and wrap him up in it while we carry him out, and then we'll figure out what to do later."
" _This_ shower curtain? The pink one with the pastel blue aquila?"
"Yes, for fuck's sake! It was a gift from the Governor of--forget it, just start wrapping! Think of it as...wrapping a present for Sanguinala."
"Emperor above..."
His offscreen death is to hype up the upcoming book: "Yarrick has 2 weeks to retirement." By David Annandale
Yarrick was always 2 weeks past his planned retirement for the last two decades.
I am fairly certain GW had plans for several more "Warzone" Books meant to flesh out the conflicts of 9th Edition, using the same format as Octarius and Nachmund. White Dwarf released two Armies of Renown for the Necrons with two for the World Eaters coming in the following volumes.
From that, I think they meant to release a Warzone: Nephilim (Pariah Nexus) and a Warzone: Armageddon book(s), to give some narrative behind Szarekh and Angron's return. Yarrick's fate would have probably been explained there. But with the bad rep, these Books got and the fanbase growing tired of Campaign books bringing more Matched Play modification, they back-pedalled on those and worked on Arks of Omen instead. And yes, I know Yarrick wasn't supposed to be on Armageddon at the time, but again, that wouldn't be the most non-sensical retcon ever made for the sake of plot (Hello again Decimus, how's that attack on Ulthwe coming along ?)
It's the one explanation that makes sense because...well, Yarrick isn't the only character whose model and rules were shafted out of Codex: Astra Militarum, yet he's the only one getting lore about it. Pask is no longer available, but the Codex confirms he's around and kicking, for example.
So they had to want to do something with Yarrick, given that artwork of commission for the "De Gloria Yarrick" page.
With that in mind, the current situation is probably GW being vague so they can reintroduce that plotline later, or bring back Yarrick in a good old "death twist".
Having Yarrick be killed by Chaos gives a reason for a huge WAAAUUGHHHH to form and puts some Orks VS Chaos in the current setting.
I just want a silly ork revenge story out of this.
Ghazkul personally wrecking a Chaos Incursion and saving The Imperium would be a pretty great and fitting twist. Yarrick Imperial Saint model when?
I always try to do the "Wait and See" approach before I pass judgement on something. So I'm willing to wait a while to see if they're gonna do anything with his death. But if we don't know how he died by the end of the year then they fucked up his death
They could've at least made Yarrick into a limited edition servo skull model. I haven't got to that year of the setting yet as I'm perpetually stuck in horus heresy and how a massive event it is.
Looking forward to learning about this rivalry and disappointing end that it might have.
Anyhow, love your videos! Keep up the great work!
NO SERVO SKULL FOR YARRICK!!!! He deserves better!
Yarrick and Ghaz was great, because they we the only characters mentioned in opposing codices. They way they admired the tactics and brilliance of the other was great to see.
I have faith in the “no resolution” part. I think that’s the point. You as the reader are supposed to feel the frustration. And when they have gazgkhul in the next book you’re going to identify with that frustration and understand whatever motivations drive his decisions. It’s real life. Sometimes stories end abruptly and with no closure. But great story can be built from that.
I'd have to disagree. Warhammer's not real life. Closing off an epic tale that's been running for, what, 30-40 years IRL, with 'yeah, this big-name character died. We're not gonna tell you how, because fuck you' is considered among most fanbases as a dick move. It'd be like closing off Return of the Jedi halfway through with a cut to black, and a scrolling message that Luke Skywalker fell into the sarlacc, and that both Palpatine and Vader just died of simultaneous heart attacks. People would be walking out of theatres feeling scammed, and for good fucking reason.
I don't like warhammer for boring generic psychological studies about loss, that would be absolute garbage and completely disrespecting the character for the sake of something done endlessly and an overall addition to the litany of nihilistic "expectation subverting" garbage made by modern media members.
@@Nikotheleepic I think the middle ground would be better here. Yarrick dying of old age leaving the audience initially frustrated by the anticlimactic end but then turning out that Tarrick had of course planned for his very likely death and had formulated a contingency plan based on the event of his death that ultimately saved Armageddon in a more effective manner than an old man yelling orders could have possibly done.
@@cakeboss4194 this comment just made me imagine Luke standing in front of Vader and Palpatine. Then in the middle of his speech he just keels over dead clutching at his heart. Lol
If the fans are frustrated by this, imagine how frustrated Ghazkull must be. Nobody would have wanted that grandiose final confrontation more than him, so I see no other alternative than him being completely enraged. Whoever killed him off, angron or not, has made an enemy for life. So maybe it won't be lazy after all. Maybe now the orks have a new priority.
Personally I am hoping that Angron did kill off Yarrick. I do hope it gets it's own story to it soon in all honesty. Yarrick deserves to have his final chapter told. The reasons I want it to be Angron who does him in is it is a true enemy of the imperium and definitely someone who Yarrick's superiors would send their best, so Yarrick, to fight. I also like it because this shifts the grudge that Ghazghkull had with Yarrick to Angron. It is the only way I could imagine Ghazghkull accepting he defeated Yarrick now is by defeating Angron. Let's all be honest with ourselves here, it would feel very empty if Yarrick won the fight with Ghazghkull by launching mass artillery down on his location until the hole is deep enough that it would make for a great place to begin the construction of a hive city. There was never going to be a situation where Yarrick 1v1's Ghazghkull and wins. Now Ghazghkull vs Angron I could see that being a much closer fight and a much more exciting read. These are just my thoughts and I would love to hear what others think of them.
It would be ironically more poetic if Angron downright ignored Yarrick for being a decrepit old man "with no fight left in him" and Yarrick did die of a heart attack due to old age during the campaign (but not without making a contingency plan that ultimately fucked over Angron's objective).
If the Orks believe he will return then he will but if not.... May he rest in peace!
I would love to see the irony of a Imperial Perpetual fueled by the WAAAAAARGGHHHHH!
My the orks do what Big E can not... Yarrick and Gaunt are my 2 fav reg army guys.
An imperial Waaaagh!!! saint
In all fairness about Cawl if I remember correctly it has been hinted that he transfers his consciousness into someone else’s body from time to time.
And has lost a lot of his memories. Some on purpose, to prevent him from overloading himself with knowledge, others due to malicious actors.
Who would’ve thought Ghaz was gonna go and avenge him?
basically everyone.
Ghaz just lost the best fight he's ever had to some nobody. He's gonna be mega pissed.
Though it wouldn't be unreasonable by ork logic for Ghaz to have some cold "feh not so great after all" reaction to the news It would also be very veeery boreing, and this is an entertainment product so it needs to entertain. As such either Yarrick was apparently killed by Ghaz, or Ghaz is gonna start a new rivalry with the git who did Yarrick in. Peaceful deaths and dismissive attitudes are not options for resolving 30 year long plot threads.
Almost to 200k subs bro. I have to admit I haven't been up on 40k lore lately as much as I used to, but I always enjoy your content. Thanks.
1:40 no those are definitly service studs. Plus, a human skull would be much smaller on him anyway.
Sadly, those are definately service studs so its a random marine. I say sadly cause Thrakka getting an itsy bitsy annoyed and going to have a "stern word" with Angron would be one of the greatest story arcs in GW history.
Can you imagine Angron, chilling in the hot tub on his demon world when he gets word there is an angry orc who wants to talk to him. (Cue to Saruman stood on the battlements and several thousand slavering orcs chanting Yarricks name).
I can’t decide I like the idea of it being Angron making Thraka decalare a WAAAAGH on Chaos, but the thought of Yarrick and Thraka fighting one final time and it almost being a mark of respect knowing Yarrick wants to die in battle before the Empire take him off the front lines is just too perfect
Thraka, because I'm fucking tired of space marines being the only plot important characters by this pont
@@aaronbasham6554 fair but just imagine if they were saved by ‘Xenos scum’ 😂
It wouldn't surprise me if he wasn't in fact dead, but was believed to be and at some point in the future he comes back into the fray, with perhaps a small force gathered with him. It's a classic trope.
I would have been more confused if Yarrick was still alive in the 40K “present” myself. He was already an old man ready to retire at the time of the Second War of Armageddon, and that was a few centuries before the “present” time now. Even with juvenat treatments he was just a “normal” human and wasn’t just taking it easy somewhere. I would not be surprised if GW brings out some kind of relic in the future based around Yarrick though, probably something that works best against Orks.
The smart thing to do at this point would be to tell a story in which Yarrick is officially declared dead after having been framed for some kind of heresy and the Imperium is actively trying to kill him to maintain this story (because it would be a huge moral loss if people found out Yarrick turned traitor) while Yarrick himself is on the run and trying to clear his name and more importantly stop the Chaos plot that framed him from achieving whatever dastardly goal he discovered, hence why they framed him, to discredit him and ideally get him killed. In the end Yarrick succeeds and is officially resurrected as a saint (in name only, because he never actually died) which not only elevates his status in the Imperium it also causes the Orks to get really excited because they get to fight the new and improved Yarrick version 2.0, a perception which may or may not be empowering Yarrick in some way.
I love the ramble videos. Hope your proper video isn't cursed moving forwards!
NGL I still want to see if Angron does kill Yarrick this will cause Thraka to go super saiyan rage at the loss of his frienemy and transform into a krork.
All just to kill angron for killing his bestest enemy.
He got Macharius'd/Celestial Lions'd
Wrong, as the Celestial Lions are technically still around.
One way to get around the rejuvanant treatment option would be just for him and the templars to keep the pursuit up, only stopping to resupply at the sort of forge world that wouldn't have these. It could actually be cool to do a "picard" style thing with Yarrick where he just gets older and crazier as he can't keep up the pursuit and eventually just his body fails
I agree, I like the idea of guard character, even ones as influential as Yarrick, dieing regularly and being succeeded by characters, be they good or bad. Sells the grimdank that to serve in the Guard is to serve in a meatgrinder. However, I'd hope we get written lore. At the very least.
I loved this video and I am pumped for the Catachan video in the pipeline. You and Balders are the best lore out there!
Thank you ^^
I'm hoping he becones an imperial saint. Even if he wasn't the most pious of the emperor's servants, he was revered enough that his death would cause a disturbance in the warp.
Question, unrelated to the video: MANY years ago, I read a book that involved a Space Marine Chapter, who's name I have forgotten. They supposedly happened upon either a shard of the Emperor, or the physical body itself. It was not long after the Horus heresy where they found him: dark hair, chiseled features wearing a necklace with the imperial eagles. Mumbling phrases like, "do I live, do I dream?". He was covered in wounds that were similar to the Emperors wounds after he fought Horus. The Chapter returned all of their forces back to their Fortress Monastery and haven't left since.
I remember reading it in absolute fascination. Unfortunately I was vacationing when I read it and left the book in my Hotel room years ago. I know it sounds insane... does the story ring a bell? I wish to continue it.
That would be an Angels Resplendent/Angels Penitent short story by Peter Fehevari. I've forgotten the name of it off the top of my head, but I hope that info helps you find it ^^
@@40KTheories THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!
Imperial Guard Heroes die,
While Space Marine Primarchs come back to life.
and that sums up current 40k lore.
I almost feel like by having Yarrick's death happen off screen they're setting us up for some sort of inevitable return. Like, I could see Trazyn having taken Yarrick for his collection, only to later drop him off somewhere convenient before Ghaz gets a little too "The Beast" like or something.
It definitely feels like a shame to never see the Yarrick/Ghaz arc come to a conclusion though.
If Khornates killed Yarrick then it could be a way to bring Tuska back, then Thraka and Tuska could fight over the rule of the waagh.
Perfect place for GW to begin with a trickling storyline about the circumstances of Yarrick's death. One with false leads, conflicting testimonies, intercepted cables contradicting official messaging, decrypted insider leaks, etc. that taken together not only reveal the true nature of Yarrick's end but actually foment a larger and more noteworthy turn of the plot wheel.
I don't know if, commissar yarek is alive or dead but I do believe that is not his skeleton that skeleton appears to have 2 hands.
...This is a valid point. And if Angron _did_ take his skull, the Imperium would find a replacement just like they did with his iconic missing arm in order to preserve his honor (and because the Mechanicus would throw a fit if they kept the Ork powerclaw around.
Huge missed opportunity. If BL had released a book 6 months ago and in the final act, Yarrick had died, that would have been a twist no one saw coming. The Siege of Terra series can't have a twist as we know the ending, the final showdown of Yarrick could have been fantastic for the setting, showing no one is safe. It will likely be revisited in the Angron Ark of Omens book, I say that because they're really going to need to pad out the series
Good to hear u back! What could be interesting is angron killing yarrick taking his skull and Gaz taking it personally and wanting it for himself
I personally think that Yarrick’s death is being written and GW for whatever reason thought it was a good idea/ had to drop the fact that he was dead before whatever medium the scene takes place in was released.
Personally I’d like if they split the difference between having him die to Ghaz or Angron. Let the two meet one final time in a battle they know will be their last, maybe Yarrick admits he respects Ghazkull’s tenacity or something, only for Angron to come in and kil Yarrick. It resolves the rivalry, it gives Yarrick a proper goodbye and it give Ghazkull a motivation that could carry him into becoming a Krorc.
I think how they are handling it is actually pretty great. As the author mentioned the Yarrick/Ghazgull story line is pretty much played out, and having them duel to the death finally would be, I don't know, meh. But having Yarrick die and his Ork nemesis declaring vengeance on his behalf against Angron is pretty awesome. And since it happened offscreen, there is even the possibility that Yarrick faked his death, somehow intuiting that Ghaz would want vengeance against anyone who took his favorite toy away other than him. Only for Ghaz and Angron to beat each other's armies to pieces, with maybe Yarrick swooping in to mop of the pieces and have a good laugh. Pretty sure even Ghaz would find that funny.
I don’t think his death being “announced” off screen is bad.
They just need to do something with it eventually.
I like it being that Angron did it, and using that to kick start a Gaskhul v Angron rivalry.
Alternatively.
Yarrick faking his death at the hands of Angron to trick the Orks into going after the primarch could be a fantastic twist. Even would explain why it’s so hushed, because it’s a trick.
Part of Gazgul will miss Yarrik.
I just see him after the battle. Him elated at having FINALLY had that big throwdown fight he'd been itching for, forever, and right as one of his war bosses starts to approach Yarrik's corpse t odo orky things to it.
'OI! he gave a good proppah fight! Let 'em alone sozda hummies can find 'em! Let dem do humie things wit da body.'
On the "head on Angrons belt" subject...what if the head belongs to Calgar?
I felt they tossed Yarrick aside when they had a campaign of Ragnar going after Ghaz.
As a fan of Yarrick and getting into the guard during the big Armageddon event all those years ago, I think Ghaz killing Yarrick would have been a dramatic way to end the rivalry, and give the bump to Ghaz to explain why Ragnar needed to go after him.
1:33 Taking a look at that picture closely, that skull does look like it has service-studs on it. So even if the jury's out on whether or not Angron killed Yarrick, we can safely say that isn't his skull at least.
I'll admit that it is disappointing to see him killed off-screen, especially since this means that now Ghaz's and Yarrick's rivalry will never see resolution; and damn if that wasn't a fun story in of itself. That a single, otherwise ordinary human could earn the respect/admiration/fear of the Orks to such an extent in the WH40K is beyond badass. For m part, I can't rightfully say how I would have ended Yarrick's story... Though it would likely involve one last show-down between Old Bale Eye and Ghaz.
Alright here's how I would've handled it if I got to write the lore. Yarrik doesn't die in glorious combat with Gazgul. No, instead he's found atop his baneblade, still holding his last vigil. Still as stone and not breathing anymore. This causes the Imperial advance to suddenly halt as they start gathering around the fortress tank. The Orkz pause, witnessing something bizzare coming from their beloved foes and move in to investigate, hoping for a trap. A trap that is never sprung. Gazgul sees his old nemesis atop the Baneblade, a Medicae slowly shaking their head to a nearby officer who removes his hat in respect. This causes EVERYONE, Human and Ork alike to doff headgear in a breif moment of silence for Gazgul's "Favorite Humie".
This will of course spawn several short stories of various humans and orkz relating their stories about Yarrik (not in the same scene of course, but let it be ambiguous as to when it occurs, and the humans and orks are NOT sharing a camp). Gazgul withdraws his forces for one full day to allow "Da Humies ta do da propa fing" and afterwards they return to fighting, with Gazgul loudly proclaiming that the glory of this battle, is Yarrik's, "Da Only Humie ta be a proper Ork Fight". Which of course nets us a very savage fight scene where both sides go all out. No soppy feelings, just pure rage and firepower spectacle of the IG and Orkz of Gazgul's WAAAAAAAGH duking it out WWI style.
It's good to hear you sounding better.
Love the memes of Gaz hating Angron because of Yarricks death. I feel there could be a great story telling component with an Ork blood rival against Angron & chaos.
Love your channel always keep it up
Commissar Yarrick died in the most macho way possible: riding a Space Shark, strapped with 250 pounds worth of Krak grenades, into the mouth of Mount Deathfire!
It was glorious.
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*happy nom nom noises*
Thraka declaring war on Angron would be fascinating from a story perspective and quite a natural reaction. Nothing like this has ever happened - it would be really good to watch unfold. I can imagine Thraka seeking out Angron, coming into contact with chaos, disrupting rituals, even gaining the attention of Khorne at one point. I don't know how it would end, the idea of Gork and Mork being pulled in as some have mentioned might make the setting suddenly to elaborate. I guess that would be harder to write or to bring to a satisfactory ending.
I just hope gazzruckmadthracka gets a much bigger nemesis out of this
Killing Yarrick of-screen is probably the 2nd most offensive thing GW has ever done, 1st being threatening lawsuits against any/all fan made content on 40k.
My head canon is Guilliman gave the same talk to Yarrick that he gave to Marshall Helbrecht about being obsessed with Orks. Now he is leading armies against Chaos and other Xenos.
4:07 not wasteful at all if used properly. In fact, it's the perfect setup for an epic story in it's own right. Not lazy, not wasteful, not stupid, but immaculate story telling and leads to interesting things for Thrakka
If Yarrick was killed by Chaos Ghazgul should make a giant Waagh for the Eye of Terror (or wherever Angron is) Sort of a vendetta for killing the one good humie. Also if thats Yarricks skull than Ghazgul would want to retrieve it.
He's not dead. He's chilling with the Lion in a cushy bathrobe and sipping on the best recaff
They are prepared to bullshit their way through just to shove more lore onto the shelves at this point Ramleiz. Saga of the Beast comes to mind, some hokey warp raid by the Young Wolf, over the Cicatrix Maledictim, THAT NO ONE ELSE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO CROSS, and drops right on Thraka's head, decapitates him and is wounded in return, just to justify Blackmane getting the Primaris geneseed. Oh and yeah Thraka somehow survives getting his head reattached.
Wut, GW, just fucking WUT
Orks getting their heads loped off and reattached have been a thing before, so Thraka losing his and getting reattached isn't too out there. But yes, having the Young Wolf instead of Yarrick being the guy to do it was insulting.
@@internetzenmaster8952 please direct me to one. Legs, arms, getting cut in half, stomped on or dropped from orbit ive heard of. Never heard of one getting decapitated, and surviving. Even Thraka's brain plate was a long shot even by ork standards.
And then they kill Yarrick. Thrakas main antagonist. The most important human to orks…….. isn’t even the one to decapitate him. Some random character not even a black Templar, Salamander or blood Angel who have deep Ties to Armageddon campaigns.
Last separate comment, but when you mentioned that how they wrote him out was lazy. That got me thinking. If it truly was that they wrote him out because GW said we're not going to sell the model for whatever reason, it might have been that they rode him out that way in an attempt to rile up the fan base.
I really like the idea that the Orcs go to war with Angron "for" Yarrick - but not based on that skull from that picture, this box-bionic looks nothing like Yarricks red eye! Oc it could be an artist choice, but it would be a poor one!
I've always wondered how Yarrik's skinny frame could stand upright with that power claw weighing down one side
My first introduction to 40k was a war for Armageddon video. I remember listening to it from beginning to end. Yarrik has been one of the first characters I came to respect in the setting. His duty is done.
I like the mystery. It leaves so much open for the fans to make their own canon.
Maybe he isn't dead?
Maybe he became one of the few male sants?
So many options for new lore.
Well, the Legion of the Damned requested a commissar, so the Emperor figured he'd send them his best
If he was hanging out with the Black Templars, he may have been killed by the Necrons. Maybe even The Storm Lord
The fan fiction of Angron killing off Yarrick is actually good. It makes sense. It lets a very old man finally get his rest, while opening the next chapter for Gaz. Told well, it could be a great story arch
I think it's due to a mismatched or rearrangement of material that's led to the current situation. If Yarrick was killed by Angron, then it's probably the World Eaters book or an Arks of Omen book that tells the story and maybe were originally supposed to come out before the Astra Militarum book, but due to demand or issues or whatever, the news of his death precedes the story that led to it.
I think it's been established that the flow of lore, rules, and models starts with art design for the models, then lore, then rules. GW emphasized in a business meeting that they're a miniatures company first.
It's likely that when they came to the Imperial Guard range refresh, they decided to discontinue Yarrick instead of redesign him.
But we'll see. I'm fairly confident that Angron did kill him or. something else happened and that it's all one big mystery for a reveal later. Hell, for all we know he'll come back as a skeleton commander kept alive only by waaagh magic or some nonsense.
He will never be forgotten. At least he is fighting alongside with the emperor now.
The WarCom article on Yarrick hints at the possibility that he isn’t actually dead, so it would be interesting if the eulogy was a red herring and we might see him re-emerging sometime in the future, badder than ever
True, but WarCom also gets info wrong on an unsettlingly frequent basis (like calling Remus Ventanus a Night Lord when he was an Ultramarine, or by calling the Death Guard the 7th Legion when they were the 14th).
@@40KTheories This is true. If it isn't a red herring, and he's actually dead, options are either it was lazy writing (Lord knows they're not above that, see Fantasy's End Times), or we'll get a proper rewind story in the future.
It's really weird they went this route, considering they did a whole Hammer and Bolter animation for Yarrick. Poor old bastard deserves better.
I think Yarrick dying off screen works great if 1) he died of old age, and 2) Ghazghkull (I fucking hate spelling his name) goes through a crisis when he learns of his great nemesis dying off without having a last fight with him.
I would actually be ok if Angron came out of nowhere and killed Yarrick. It would set up a feud between Angron and Ghaz of all things which would be incredibly interesting. I believe this would be the first try Ork vs Chaos since Demon Killa made his mad dash into the eye of Terror.
Hell, maybe Khorne unleashes his pet Demon Killa to battle Ghaz along side Angron...
I managed to find a less blurry image of angron's model than yours and yes i can confirm those are service studs that's a space marine skull not to mention that even if angron killed yarrick chaos has a thing for desecrating corpses especially of imperial ESPECIALLY of notorious imperials such as yarrick they wouldn't have been able to retrieve his body
‘Sir you have something on your face?” Oh erm here? On my nose? Just use my power claw to get that off.
I have heard a therori that someone killed Yarrick, and now Gazkull sets of to avenge Yarraick, since it was HIS hummy to figth!
I always preferred the thought of him just retiring and surviving to become a governor
It could be the imperium lying and saying that he died when instead he really felt a chaos or something like that.
I reckon he's still alive, Missing in action but there's been some "evidence" to his little expedition (or whatever you wanna call what he's up to at the time) getting destroyed, but he's out there being the grizzled old bastard mopping up the enemy and slowly gathering strength to him. Cue the novel "Death of Yarrick : Bus pass to hell" being announced and it being a fooking blinder, in which he does finally die but not before giving Ghazghul the true meaning of Imperial christmas, a massive and permanent scar. Also fondness and respect.
I would want to see Yarrick vs Gazgul one last time. But Yarrick could be dying of uncurable illness. And both of them knowing that Yarrick would die, he would be like: ''I do not have much of time left... let's have fight to the end... one... last time. What do you say, Gazgul?'' It would be surely emotional. Even for readers.
Commander Yarrick is still alive. All GW lore changes since 2005 are simply opinions ignore them, I do. The Old World still exists I am proud to say I have never played a single game of Age of Stinkmar.
There has to be a story about his death in the works. He was a way to impact full character to have his death Told to us like a passing thought
I think they probably put in the info that he is dead in order to drum up excitement for an upcoming book which will show off Yarrick's final fight.
It's a placeholder skeleton, for Yarrick being away in secret? Maybe a secret mission, allowing him to return in the next edition? I wouldn't put it passed GW to do that.
Dead ? DEAD !! Old Bale eye ? NO !!!!
remember though he wasn't the only one removed, creed was removed from codex but tbh he is in trayzn's collection now.
Yeah but in fairness Creed's disappearance was explained at the end of 7th edition in Gathering Storm.
Ghazghkull and Yarrick fighting each other isn't what's special about their story - arch nemesises are fairly common across the setting. What's special about these two is the moment when Ghazghkull lets Yarrick go, and that would be ruined by one of them finishing off the other.
Yarrick dying off screen is pretty much the least expected development, and it creates real anticipation for the writers to make it good. I am not saying they won't mess it up, but I am a lot more interested to see how it actually plays out, than in some final duel or whatever. Who knows - maybe the theories that Yarrick is a perpetual are true and he comes back.
Either he needs to have died in a final showdown with Ghazkull, or Angron killed hin and thus Ghazkull is now pissed and gunning fot Angron as he was denied said final showdown with his rival. Both options allow for different ways to advance Ghazkull's story, thus they really need to do one of those.
This sets up a Ork,Chaos,Imperial fight on Armageddon. If the Orks believe Yarrick is their he will be there.
There's already one happening, legions of Khorne and Tzeencht are already on Armageddon
Iam waiting for him to say "The news of my demise, was greatly exaggerated"....
Honestly I'd like to think he died of old age. It would be sad but also think that at the end of the day he was only human.
I like the Idea that Yarrik being killed by Angron to set up Ghaz vs Angron fight to avenge Yarrik and maybe take his Skull back from Dat Red Git.
If Yarrick was killed by Angron (or one of his minions) Ghazghkull could get so mad that he would probably take all the orcs in the galaxy and then fly to the Eye of Terror, beat Angron to death and possibly even Khorne himself.
I think your points are all incredibly valid. I think you're right about all of the issues you take. But I have to think they wouldn't be so lazy as to just trash a character like yarrick. I mean they had to go out of there way to make it known that he died. Wouldn't doing that be for a reason? Like don't you think they have a plan that is bigger than just a basic off screen death? Like maybe this is just part 1 of a multi step story that begins with yarricks "supposed" death or even his actual death. Not knowing the story does leave this open to a plot mystery or the possibility of using yarricks death to push the reader in a specific direction. Idk and I have no theories, I just can't imagine they would do it that way