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Excellent review! I think it might become popular as high end camper. More comfortable to drive than diesel, no range limitations that pure EVs have, battery could probably be used for kitchen equipment and heating.
Thomas says he prefers Tourneo Custom shape - nice van, personally I think I prefer T6 shape! I like this test vehicle's bright contrasting interior. Shame no ACC. Worse: PHEV 20K extra cost. Thanks for the sandwich! Personally, I'd want to avoid horrid charging stations, and I love electric mode, so a PHEV - with a decent electric range of course - appeals! Not sure if I prefer "VW/BMW/Merc type PHEV system" or this 'range extender' system! But all very expensive. Very good commentary, and driving Thomas. Many thanks.
I have always wanted one of these, with the long wheelbase and double rear tyres and a camper van interior :-D Man, I mean, I am actually excited about this! If it could do a few days of my commute on full electric, I could literally have my home at my back and be economic about it too!
the problem with commercial EVs is that, with current regulations, the heavy batteries eat away load capacity pretty quickly. Legislators should increase the limit from 3500kg (that was set decades ago anyway) to 4000kg
that's how all PHEV drivetrains should be implemented. With the engine acting just as a generator, and indeed a 20-30kWh battery to cover most daily driving. This kind of design would, in theory, allow to transition to a full BEV in a few years, should new battery technology increase energy density significantly.
I'm in Australia and I want this yesterday!!! Nice Vid. P.S. Wish they would include sliding floor rails like in the VW multivan, that's on very top of my priorities followed by front captain seat, table and bed/seat. Now that's perfection.
I've seen somewhere the top speed is 120 km/h. Also, I'm not sure how long can it keep that speed (without overloading the electric motor). Do you have any information about that? It would be nice to be able to use this on the highway as well, even if it's just occasional.
Love your review. Best out there. Got a question got a mix info on on mpg is it 40mpg or 91mpg? When in ev mode 35miles is there a speed limit for this? Lastly are these quick to move off at junctions? Many thanks who ever can help
It definitely needs at least 40kWh battery to make it a realistic people carrier. A taxi company cannot use this in fully electric mode for long in London!
We have a Transit Custom exactly as the one of the video but in grey and with the 2.0 130hp diesel engine, but we don't regret not having waited for this PHEV version, it's increase of price it's not justified. We love it's interior and exterior, the best value for money of this segment, however it's consumption it's too high: the six speed auto it's too short, running at around 2500 rpm when going at 120km/h. To put it on context, the 2.8 diesel 2002 old Citroen Jumper we used to drive had a similar consumption. Maybe the price increment of the Mercedes Vito is justified as I heard it goes around 6l/100 on highway (thank's to it's 9 speed transmition).
I'm currently driving a Ford Custom Diesel for my business and am due for an upgrade next year. I was excited when I heard about the PHEV being released but then saw the price tag. Seems way too high for what it is.
Hmm looking at this interestingly...If I can find a 8 (+ 1 driver) passenger vehicule that's fully Electric then I'll consider buying it if range at least 350 km Great work as always Season's Greetings from Normandy, France
The 20K extra cost is just crazy, and for me not worth it. I think it is a poor attempt from Ford to electrify a combustion designed platform; an experiment? To its creditability, the ride experience may impress, but that is not enough to appeal. Hopefully Ford is able to produce a capable full electric transit, newly build up from scratch, without the premium price tag in the future. Very good review!
Is there some GPS-Geofencing type thing to keep it in EV mode, especially in environmental zones (and especially EV-only zones), such as older areas of towns and cities with narrow streets? If there isn't, that's something Ford should add
Autogefühl Shame. It’d be a good feature to have, especially when more cities are putting in LEZ, ULEZ and possibly even ZEZ policies in place to deal with air pollution
Man sieht am Konzept, dass das Fahrzeug primär für den Stadtverkehr gedacht ist. Bei höheren ansatzweise konstanten Geschwindigkeiten überwiegen die Nachteile der doppelten Stromwandlung den Betrieb bei konstanten Drehzahlen, wo dann auch der Mildhybrid entsprechend interessanter wird. Umgekehrt bietet der REx gerade bei niedrigen und wechselnden Geschwindigkeiten den größten Vorteil gegenüber konventionellen Verbrennern. Für ein Nutzfahrzeug ist die Auslegung sinnvoll, da die Nutzlast nicht so sehr unter der Reichweite leidet und der ineffiziente Betrieb im Stadtverkehr dadurch verbessert wird. Ich sehe sowas vorzugsweise in der lokalen, innerstädtischen Lieferkette, wo es nicht primär um maximale Reichweite und hohe Geschwindigkeiten geht. EV+REx dürfte für den lokalen Verkehr auch die günstigste Option sein, ohne auf ausreichend hohe Reichweiten verzichten zu müssen. Man spart sich die hohen Kosten und das hohe Gewicht eines größeren Akkus und hat trotzdem ausreichende hohe Reichweiten und die Option auf elektrisches Fahren. Zumal die Reichweite bei Bedarf auch in 5 Minuten vergrößert werden kann, was speziell dann interessant wird, wenn gerade keine Ladesäule zur Hand ist. Als Beispiel nehme man z.B. Handwerker, welche mehrere Ortschaften abdecken. Man fährt vollgeladen los, lässt außerorts den REx den Akku nachladen und fährt in der Stadt dann rein elektrisch. Fährt man dann in die nächste Stadt, lässt man den REx den Akku wieder nachladen, um in der nächsten Stadt wieder rein elektrisch fahren zu können. In dem Fall kann man die vergleichsweise hohe Leistung des REx auch sinnvoll nutzen, da dieser bei den Fahrten zwischen den Städten nicht nur die aktuell geforderte Leistung liefern muss, sondern den Akku dabei sogar noch aufladen soll. Entsprechend uninteressant ist der einzeln betrachtete Verbrauch des REx bei leerer Batterie, da der REx zusätzlich zum Vortrieb Strom zum Laden des Akkus produziert. Sinnigerweise fährt man voll geladen los und fährt dann so lange, bis der Tank und der Akku leer sind. Erst dann schaut man sich den Verbrauch an. Die 12 l/ 100 km beinhalten den Verbrauch für das Fahren und das Laden des Akkus, sprich immer wenn der REx arbeitet, erhöht er die elektrische Reichweite, was bei der Verbrauchsermittlung berücksichtigt werden sollte.
Replace Ford US management, why can't they make PHEV vans available inside the United States...as if the only intelligent people on earth are in Europe. US Auto companies' management needs to be replaced in general, along with Trump and they should be punished for all the air quality damage their environmental protection rollbacks they have caused.
So if the Engine does not power the Wheels then this is not really a PHEV more like a REEV. :D But 50km electric range is a bit disappointing, also only 1-Phase charger. :(
Not sure what the problem is here. This is the most efficient way to configure a PHEV since the ICE is operating at it's most efficient most of the time whilst charging the batteries. Also the electric motor produces 100% torque from standstill and it is most efficient in low to medium speed driving which this vehicle is designed for thus maximising total drive efficiency.
Have a 2019 plate ford tourneo custom taxi .had nothing but trouble with adblue problems. Can't get fixed for weeks and very expensive 😫 ask any garage and they all seam to say the same adblue problems. Do your homework on owners forum you'll see what I mean . Pig sick of mine .Be warned .
they still insist on having that heavy, lung cancer engine in the vehicle, instead of more batteries... PS: if you don't have a good battery contract for large quantities, you can get batteries for 150USD/kWh ... so that 15kWh battery cost Ford like 2500USD ... plus another 1000USD for the electric motor (+800USD for the generator), and maybe another 1000USD for the electrical system. Long story short, they (Ford + suppliers) want to make 15K USD profit on this van.
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Pro trick: you can watch series at Flixzone. I've been using it for watching lots of of movies these days.
@Eli Benedict yea, I've been watching on Flixzone for since november myself :D
@Eli Benedict yup, I have been using flixzone for since december myself :)
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Excellent review! I think it might become popular as high end camper. More comfortable to drive than diesel, no range limitations that pure EVs have, battery could probably be used for kitchen equipment and heating.
Congrats! Nice, accurate, easy, and at the same time deep description of this PHEV Ford Tourneo Custom 2019 model.
Thomas says he prefers Tourneo Custom shape - nice van, personally I think I prefer T6 shape! I like this test vehicle's bright contrasting interior. Shame no ACC. Worse: PHEV 20K extra cost. Thanks for the sandwich! Personally, I'd want to avoid horrid charging stations, and I love electric mode, so a PHEV - with a decent electric range of course - appeals! Not sure if I prefer "VW/BMW/Merc type PHEV system" or this 'range extender' system! But all very expensive. Very good commentary, and driving Thomas. Many thanks.
cheers John, enjoy your sunday!
I have always wanted one of these, with the long wheelbase and double rear tyres and a camper van interior :-D Man, I mean, I am actually excited about this! If it could do a few days of my commute on full electric, I could literally have my home at my back and be economic about it too!
Great review as always. The most luxurious Transit in the market!
the problem with commercial EVs is that, with current regulations, the heavy batteries eat away load capacity pretty quickly. Legislators should increase the limit from 3500kg (that was set decades ago anyway) to 4000kg
This was a great review. I’m going to be trying a wheelchair accessible conversion and can’t wait. Many thanks.
that's how all PHEV drivetrains should be implemented. With the engine acting just as a generator, and indeed a 20-30kWh battery to cover most daily driving. This kind of design would, in theory, allow to transition to a full BEV in a few years, should new battery technology increase energy density significantly.
Thomas blue!!! can't wait for your review of BEV van (from PSA)
I'm in Australia and I want this yesterday!!!
Nice Vid.
P.S.
Wish they would include sliding floor rails like in the VW multivan, that's on very top of my priorities followed by front captain seat, table and bed/seat.
Now that's perfection.
Cheers!
I've seen somewhere the top speed is 120 km/h. Also, I'm not sure how long can it keep that speed (without overloading the electric motor). Do you have any information about that? It would be nice to be able to use this on the highway as well, even if it's just occasional.
Strange..First press the thumbs up button, then watch the video. I never do that otherwise. Thanx for a great review! As usual.
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Love your review. Best out there.
Got a question got a mix info on on mpg is it 40mpg or 91mpg? When in ev mode 35miles is there a speed limit for this? Lastly are these quick to move off at junctions?
Many thanks who ever can help
It definitely needs at least 40kWh battery to make it a realistic people carrier. A taxi company cannot use this in fully electric mode for long in London!
t Lim it needs a 60 to do 40kwh car working range.
We have a Transit Custom exactly as the one of the video but in grey and with the 2.0 130hp diesel engine, but we don't regret not having waited for this PHEV version, it's increase of price it's not justified. We love it's interior and exterior, the best value for money of this segment, however it's consumption it's too high: the six speed auto it's too short, running at around 2500 rpm when going at 120km/h. To put it on context, the 2.8 diesel 2002 old Citroen Jumper we used to drive had a similar consumption. Maybe the price increment of the Mercedes Vito is justified as I heard it goes around 6l/100 on highway (thank's to it's 9 speed transmition).
Thanks for the feedback!
I'm currently driving a Ford Custom Diesel for my business and am due for an upgrade next year. I was excited when I heard about the PHEV being released but then saw the price tag. Seems way too high for what it is.
Hmm looking at this interestingly...If I can find a 8 (+ 1 driver) passenger vehicule that's fully Electric then I'll consider buying it if range at least 350 km Great work as always Season's Greetings from Normandy, France
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The 20K extra cost is just crazy, and for me not worth it. I think it is a poor attempt from Ford to electrify a combustion designed platform; an experiment? To its creditability, the ride experience may impress, but that is not enough to appeal. Hopefully Ford is able to produce a capable full electric transit, newly build up from scratch, without the premium price tag in the future.
Very good review!
Thanks 🙏
Is there some GPS-Geofencing type thing to keep it in EV mode, especially in environmental zones (and especially EV-only zones), such as older areas of towns and cities with narrow streets? If there isn't, that's something Ford should add
nope
Autogefühl Shame. It’d be a good feature to have, especially when more cities are putting in LEZ, ULEZ and possibly even ZEZ policies in place to deal with air pollution
►Compare the Mercedes eVito: ruclips.net/video/BPnSE3Og9Ck/видео.html
Man sieht am Konzept, dass das Fahrzeug primär für den Stadtverkehr gedacht ist.
Bei höheren ansatzweise konstanten Geschwindigkeiten überwiegen die Nachteile der doppelten Stromwandlung den Betrieb bei konstanten Drehzahlen, wo dann auch der Mildhybrid entsprechend interessanter wird.
Umgekehrt bietet der REx gerade bei niedrigen und wechselnden Geschwindigkeiten den größten Vorteil gegenüber konventionellen Verbrennern.
Für ein Nutzfahrzeug ist die Auslegung sinnvoll, da die Nutzlast nicht so sehr unter der Reichweite leidet und der ineffiziente Betrieb im Stadtverkehr dadurch verbessert wird.
Ich sehe sowas vorzugsweise in der lokalen, innerstädtischen Lieferkette, wo es nicht primär um maximale Reichweite und hohe Geschwindigkeiten geht.
EV+REx dürfte für den lokalen Verkehr auch die günstigste Option sein, ohne auf ausreichend hohe Reichweiten verzichten zu müssen. Man spart sich die hohen Kosten und das hohe Gewicht eines größeren Akkus und hat trotzdem ausreichende hohe Reichweiten und die Option auf elektrisches Fahren. Zumal die Reichweite bei Bedarf auch in 5 Minuten vergrößert werden kann, was speziell dann interessant wird, wenn gerade keine Ladesäule zur Hand ist.
Als Beispiel nehme man z.B. Handwerker, welche mehrere Ortschaften abdecken.
Man fährt vollgeladen los, lässt außerorts den REx den Akku nachladen und fährt in der Stadt dann rein elektrisch. Fährt man dann in die nächste Stadt, lässt man den REx den Akku wieder nachladen, um in der nächsten Stadt wieder rein elektrisch fahren zu können.
In dem Fall kann man die vergleichsweise hohe Leistung des REx auch sinnvoll nutzen, da dieser bei den Fahrten zwischen den Städten nicht nur die aktuell geforderte Leistung liefern muss, sondern den Akku dabei sogar noch aufladen soll.
Entsprechend uninteressant ist der einzeln betrachtete Verbrauch des REx bei leerer Batterie, da der REx zusätzlich zum Vortrieb Strom zum Laden des Akkus produziert.
Sinnigerweise fährt man voll geladen los und fährt dann so lange, bis der Tank und der Akku leer sind. Erst dann schaut man sich den Verbrauch an.
Die 12 l/ 100 km beinhalten den Verbrauch für das Fahren und das Laden des Akkus, sprich immer wenn der REx arbeitet, erhöht er die elektrische Reichweite, was bei der Verbrauchsermittlung berücksichtigt werden sollte.
danke fürs schöne Feedback!
drinking game: drink every time he says 'also' :)
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Guten tag. 60 thousand kilometers or 100000 thousand mile? I did not get it will it 60 thousands miles ?
39:25 Turning left there? Look at the sign! ;)
Thanks for the driving lesson 😁
Durchgezogene Linie auch noch! 39:06 👮🏻♂️
Noch mehr Fahrschullehrer unterwegs 😂
Great, sound is great
Hello, Is it proposed with integral transmission? Does it have trailer assist like the multivan? Can we replace teh rear seats by 2 motorbikes?
Replace Ford US management, why can't they make PHEV vans available inside the United States...as if the only intelligent people on earth are in Europe. US Auto companies' management needs to be replaced in general, along with Trump and they should be punished for all the air quality damage their environmental protection rollbacks they have caused.
Hi is the electric motor the primary source of propulsion with the petrol engine as a generator? Sorry the ford website confused me
yes generator solution
Wie kann man einstellen dass die automatischen Spiegel einfahren sobald man die Verriegelungstaste am Schlüssel betätigt Ford Tourneo custom 2019
Great review as always.
That is a summer haircut.
Or is it the hat keeping it down?
Hat 😎
So if the Engine does not power the Wheels then this is not really a PHEV more like a REEV. :D
But 50km electric range is a bit disappointing, also only 1-Phase charger. :(
Not sure what the problem is here. This is the most efficient way to configure a PHEV since the ICE is operating at it's most efficient most of the time whilst charging the batteries. Also the electric motor produces 100% torque from standstill and it is most efficient in low to medium speed driving which this vehicle is designed for thus maximising total drive efficiency.
05:49 Too bad we don't get the V6, only turbo-diesel.
Thomas looks very, very cold.
In Ireland we can this a fev. As ph is F. Can you use Ffev. In stead. Like fyisical
100 kwh , long wheel base please and no more than € 60K I'll buy just now . thank you
My eyes were so drawn onto the duct tape on Thomas left arm , trying to figure out what brand he was trying to cover ??
Secret agent
21:29 the gearbox fell out. Boom
Come in 16, your time is up 😆
WTF. We robbing a bank now.
Where’s Lenny the Geeza?
Surely nothing you say is valid without a realistic load. Driving an empty van while babbling on about range is crazy.
We didnt have a soccer team available for the test drive
Have a 2019 plate ford tourneo custom taxi .had nothing but trouble with adblue problems. Can't get fixed for weeks and very expensive 😫 ask any garage and they all seam to say the same adblue problems. Do your homework on owners forum you'll see what I mean . Pig sick of mine .Be warned .
lol that random scania truck.
Thanks. Not for me.
Skipped closing door sound. -1
+1 for the sandwishes
we did show the door closing sound - side doors :)
It still has that weird big nose :P
they still insist on having that heavy, lung cancer engine in the vehicle, instead of more batteries...
PS: if you don't have a good battery contract for large quantities, you can get batteries for 150USD/kWh ... so that 15kWh battery cost Ford like 2500USD ... plus another 1000USD for the electric motor (+800USD for the generator), and maybe another 1000USD for the electrical system. Long story short, they (Ford + suppliers) want to make 15K USD profit on this van.
At least they have a PHEV van, unlike VW Group :)
@@TL-xw6fh VW have the e-Crafter, pure electric.
@@Poxenium Limited range and totally pointless
@@TL-xw6fh Excellent for last mile delivery in cities. The routes are usually shorter than 65km per day.
@@Poxenium Unfortunately, not in London where the delivery drivers do over 200km per day! London as you know is ULEV zoned.
Review a 2018 bmw m3 or a 2019 Mercedes c63 amg not a trebble ford van called the transit yuck