we purchased 8 panels from Mirrorstone in Leicester just before Christmas, bought from suryaheating. We like the system much better than our gas boiler. We like that the air isn't stuffy and dry anymore. We can control each room separately. We can ask Alexa to turn the heating up and down. We like that we can arrange our furniture better because we've mounted them on the ceiling and we love that they heat the furniture they point at, we have them above our settee, dining table, kitchen sink, front door and our beds. our energy bills have come down slightly but there are to many variables at the moment to know how it will play out in the long term although I am optimistic. we are now looking to have a heat battery installed for our hot water so we can have our gas cut later this year.
I had oil heat for most of my life, then later gas. I don't remember a winter when my hands were not cold. Every day I'd sit on my hands until I had to type something so my hands didn't hurt with the cold. I made cups of tea just to warm my hands on the cup. Last year, I got a little (400 watt) IR heater. I turn it on when I sit at my computer and my hands warm up almost immediately. Here's the shocking bit: then I turn it off. Not down, off! It warms my hands and then they stay that way. I just don't need it for very long. It's lovely to be able to work and not have my hands be uncomfortable all the time.
That's a great example! I really want to get an IR heater as my partner is always turning on the large radiator and warming a room for an hour to just keep her warm. So a small IR pointed at her would be much much more efficient. So I might just send her this :D
Going for a single-fuel domestic solution (electric) has a HUGE benefit that I'm not hearing anyone talking about - you lose the standing charge for gas. Energy suppliers are 'capped', but the standing charge is not controlled, so guess what - it's going up. Thanks so much for such an intelligent discussion. I think I'm seeing a way forward for home heating at last. Keep it coming!
That being said, the standing charges (gas+electricity) only account for roughly 15%-20% of the total annual energy bill and they are 2x higher for electricity. And the unit rate is 3x higher for electricity.
@@Nikoo033 I'd also be nervous about putting all my eggs in one basket when it comes to keeping my home warm. Its not so bad if you live somewhere that it doesnt get very cold but if you live somewhere cold that could turn ugly in a hurry. If you lose power when its hot out maybe you have food go bad. If you lose power when its extremely cold out you risk dying and major damage to piping in your home. Even when you get a power outage its pretty rare for the gas to go out as well. If I was going to go this route I would at minimum want a large amount of propane on the property with an instant water heater that can run on gas to provide some heat. I actually think where I live it might even be illegal not to have some sort of backup system. Insurance wont cover you if you are going all electric.
Infrared Heating Far & Medium Infrared, is one of the most attractive, comfortable forms of heating available. I'm currently sat in front of a 50 Year old Belling Electric Infrared radiant heater. I also have one of the Herschel Medium Infrared heaters, a marvel of modern UK manufacturing...
We are slowly moving away from gas central heating to infra red and have recently installed a couple of Herschel panels - they work really well and you do feel the heat rather than hot air - it's akin to bing in the sun. Lovely! And so far, no more expensive than the Gas!
This is a really interesting episode and I thought that point made about well insulated homes not needing super-efficient systems opened up a valuable perspective on options. The church angle was particularly useful as we are currently looking for alternative systems in our village. Thank you!
I've installed a few of these heaters professionally. I'm really surprised how good they are. The heat you get from them compared to the kws used. I'm planning a refurbishment at home and will definitely consider these guys.
This was really useful Robert. I'm planning on changing from gas to infrared soon and had discounted Herschel because I believed it wasnt made in this country. Therefore would be difficult yo deal with any problems in the future as things wear out or fail. I will revisit them now I know they are making and developing their panels here. Last time I looked they were considerably more expensive than Jigsaw or Mirrorstone but if they are designing them to be modular, with replacable parts and fixable that means a lot and makes them worth considering again. It's a difficult call for me as I'm disabled and on a low income but its great to know I've got another brand to consider. 👍
@@buddywheels that's good to know. I know I'm a cynical old hector but can I ask you to elaborate a bit? I mean if your company is nearer to me so much the better...
I also just got mine installed throughout most of my flat a few weeks ago and so far so good! I got the XLS panels and corresponding mains thermostats. The heat is lovely. My electrician had never installed IR panels before, but he said it was pretty straightforward. I live in NI and the Herschel person over here was fantastic and took the time to answer all my questions and came to my flat to help me figure out the best place to put them and wattage recommendations. He even left me some sample 300w panels just so I could try it and see if I liked the kind of heat IR gave off since it's such a different feeling of heat compared to normal radiators. I personally recommend Herschel, though have not tried any other brand, so I can't give a comparison.
@@buddywheelsthank you, that's great to know. I must be disciplined and talk to at least two or three different companies. It's the fact that it's an old concept reinvented that I think is great, I remember those round lights with heaters in the middle in our bathroom as a kid. For me it is the customer service that is important, from advice on correct sizing, ideally installing but then being available to answer any ongoing questions, problem solving etc. That and the running costs make me slightly anxious, looking for details on that too to compare with gas ch.
@@tasia2174thank you, yes the ease of installation is what I find attractive. Can't decide if I should let whichever company I choose install or or go with a local electrician. Did you change from storage heaters, gas or oil? Have you had them long enough to compare running costs yet?
Alkmaar's St Nikolaas church is now an event/concert venue using 'IR chandeliers'. It's amazing how comfortable it is in this large hall in the winter with these switched on and how cold it feels the second they're switched off.
We have 3 x 700kw panels one in each bedroom on the ceiling, and one in the front room over the fire place. We have another 2 in our outbuilding, and we use them on sunny days were we have excess solar, just as the guys discribed, which help to suplement our ASHP on very cold days -8c or more. Easy to install and we have ours wired to thier own circuit. Highly recommend them!!
The timing of this podcast is fun since I've just received delivery of two Herschel panels and thermostats for my new conservatory roof. Conservatories with glass roofs. Too bloody cold in the winter and hot in the summer.
I’d love to lose our gas combi boiler, but we can’t fit an ASHP as there’s nowhere to fit it! Herschel panels seem to be the way to go, but how do we heat our water? Existing combi, so no hot water tank or immersion heater. Is there an efficient electric water heating system we could fit in place of the combi? Not researched yet so suggestions welcomed!
We’re in a similar position, looking to get rid of our Combi boiler, in a flat with limited space and no immersion/hot water tank anymore and the space one used to be in reclaimed as a desk/storage/office area. I’m currently exploring the idea of thermal batteries as they can make use of low cost variable tariff electricity and time shift it to give instant hot water and don’t take up much more space than a combi. I haven’t yet seen a model that fits in the same wall mounted position and space though, most seem to be floor standing but I need to do another round of research as I last looked a year or two back. Air source heat pumps and communal heat systems for the block of flats are other things I might have to investigate. Perhaps a good widely knowledgeable heating engineer can advise but I’m not sure exactly where to find one…
We are seriously considering these for our place. But a 50s house with no insulation and massive windows is painful. Also do we remove the small gas system in our undercroft? Then, hot water mixergy?
I am very happy with my ASHP and it is working very well for me. I agree we need different technologies that are clean to satisfy different types of housing. It really shows the need for the grants to be worded appropriately. Wishing them luck to get this updated. Thanks for another interesting subject.
My thanks to Robert and the team for providing such excellent information. I would suggest any future programs explain advantages to using certain heating systems over others. For example when does infrared work better than in floor radiator heat? Please continue the good information you provide. Thanks again.
I have a small 200w heater in my small (well insluated) small garden office. I am now just leaving it on all the time as it seems to be able to maintain a reasonable temperature without using much energy, whereas if the inside gets cold it struggles to warm it up again.
Infrared heating panels are fine in many situations, also have situations it can't cover. In a cold room with an office desk for example, everything above the desktop can be warm, but below the desk can still be cold - for example your feet!
All electric (resistive) heaters other than heat pumps are 100% efficient. Although I guess if it visibly glows then then there will be some energy 'lost' as visible light. They are all 'resisters' and the heat is basically produced from the 'losses' in the resistor. Since the heat is a loss, effectively the energy input to the heating element is 100% utilised.
The same as electric heaters. They talk about it in the beginning. The trick is that heat is directed where it is needed not up into the ceiling. You can be in a cold house, but put on a jacket and keep yourself warm. Your body produces the same amount of energy, but you are warmer then without the jacket.
As With electric heating 100% but still managing the losses from the envelope is key. The UK mostly heats for comfort, not building integrity. Baseload heating isn't IR. Heat pumps are more expensive to install the gains come later, much later. (Heated floors are harder to retrofit)
@silverleapers Yeah, shame on them for promoting their zero emmission heaters. 🙄😆😆 I'm sat with one of their 220w under desk heaters keeping me warm right now and it is amazing. Wife loves it too. Great products and easy to install. Potential to be run from renewables, no new skills to learn to install them. They should take every opportunity to spread the word 👍👍
In my small one bedroom place I stopped using an almost 3kw oil filled radiator and replaced it with an 800W electric panel heater and a small 600W oil filled heater. The two work well together for 99% of the year. The panel heater produces about 50% radiant heat and 50% convected heat. Most electric heaters in the past were radiant 'bar' heaters, from the 1930s until gas started to dominate in the 1980s.
I was hoping this would be a podcast about different heating types. As it is essentially a platform for Herschel, I will look elsewhere for BALANCED information, without all the corporate misinformation and sales pitches.
I am beholden to the SAP software to generate an EPC everyday.. there are dozens of anomalies and flaws in the system software, they are right about installing a gas boilers because of cost. Eg: sometimes when adding an extra shower it improves the EPC score 😆
I super want an IR panel on the bathroom ceiling, but it SO hard to find one to mount there thats suitable for bathrooms IP rating wise, especially if you always want to manage it via a home smart system like hubitat or home assistant. They all seem to require specific manufacturer controls and their own remote. Yuck. I want a proper wifi or zigbee enabled device, that can go on the ceiling in a bathroom. Why is that so hard to find? Also can anyone tell me why ir panels are not built to modulate their power draw? Theyre either off or on full blast - sure they turn off when target temp is reached, but its the sudden massive draw that concerns me in this age of home batteries and such.
Full on heat or completely off is crude and not a particularly comfortable form of people heating, especially as these units actually warm your skin, so you instantly notice when they cycle off. Make one which cuts to half power when up to temperature, and maybe I'll give the next hour long free advert more attention.
It worries me when people like the Herschel guys say things like "The grid would not cope" there is too much misinformation as it is, maybe wise to validate such statements . PS ive had Herschel IR for 4 years s8nce I retro fitted my house to be fully insulated with Solar and house battery. With on demand hot water solution. My bills are tiny now compared to my gas fueled neighbours 😊. There's of the cast was great, so much that was discussed seeing my home, cheep to run, highly flexible schedule to heat the rooms I use, free to heat my office when the sun is out. Love this tech ❤
They make a comment implying that heat pumps need to be on 24x7 and heat the whole house. This is misinformation. Heat pumps don't rapidly heat a house, but don't need to be on 24x7 and it's entirely possible to turn off your radiators in unused rooms.
All my best wishes to Paul & Matt to be the first to convert an old church (gas heated) to a carbon neutral church with your IR electric radiators, PV solar panels (including neighbours area), batteries and software. ❤
They have their place, but just remember a well installed heat pump is going to give you 400% output on a mild day and 300% on a cold day and provide your hot water also. I don’t find resistive heating without a time shifting component partially green, if we take this route we are going to need to build a lot of nuclear plants - like France did.
😂😂😂😂😂 I see you keep up to date ... HMG are planning to do just that utilising the "new" family of modular fission reactors. You might find the info on MSM ...
@@Paul-yh8km Hmm ... unfortunately there's a considerable capital cost and lengthy payback to consider despite any subsidies. FAR IR heaters might be a better bet despite the claimed 300% efficiency of heat pumps.
@@t1n4444 The issue is about matching generation capacity to use, that is closing the gap and squeezing out fossil fuels. The amount of generation capacity will need to be a lot higher if we don't use heat pumps for the bulk of heating requirements. That in turn means delays in decarbonisation, more resources and land used for generation etc. It's the same with land transport.
Ah, you're referring to hydrogen. Well done ... very, very few on this platform share my enthusiasm for hydrogen as a fuel. Fortunately others do and are busy building a world in which hydrogen will be the ultimate answer to the decarbonising of the atmosphere. Unfortunately it will be too late to prevent all the ice melting so our progeny will be living on a lot less real estate and rather a lot of quite large rafts learning to eat fish, seaweed and liking it. Still, they'll just have to make the best of it. I blame it on batteries.
You are right about EPC I was told not to review it because it would be worse than when it has a gas boiler, even though we have solar, battery storage, and heat pump, and better insulation so daft. My bills are lower so EPC is just wrong and unfair. Our heat pump is not on all time btw, on timer and is effective. Great video ❤
If I've got 3kW (solar) spare... What, from my 4kW array on a cloudy day in the middle of January? 😂 Seriously, with the climate and grid issues we're facing today resistive electic heating at "only" 100% efficiency is not a serious option for primary heating a retrofit. We don't all live in Passive Houses. 🤦♂️
I use portable heat pumps. I only run them when I get solar. Get it warm during the day and on most days no heating at night. It is an old house in Oakland ca.
I've now gone a year without using gas and would like to ask my supplier to terminate the supply. I installed ceiling-mounted IRs in the Autumn and also use some portable convection heaters. However, I'm concerned that if I want a heat pump in future (so I can have a bath/shower), not actually switching from gas will make me ineligible for the government £7.5k subsidy. What to do?
This looks ideal for my use and needs. i have used a 330w infrared in my loft bedroom for 2 winters and its been fine. Now i need to look into all rooms
District heating involves massive infrastructure and very hard to finance and retrofit. Where they have it, cool, not gonna happen in the UK. Not even sue where you'd get the heat from in the UK tbh. Not a lot of industry / waste heat here to tap into. Evacuated Solar is no good in most cases. The weight, leaks risk, cost etc. Best to pt PV and runit through a HP to get SCOP of 4 or so. It's more efficient, economical, safer and felxable coz youu get electricity.
I would love to change from gas to electric but I live in a big old house with both gable ends are single brick and all outside walls are solid walls, it’s a very cold house. We’ve got the loft insulated and have tried to close all drafts. I’d have electric ceramic heaters but electric is far too expensive unfortunately for my situation.
Apologies if this sounds insensitive, "I'd like to save on heating in a poorly insulated house => insulate your house". Is there a reason why you can't put e.g. a layer of insulation + second layer of brick all around? Have you talked to any builders/architects already re permits/pricing?
@@SrdjanRosic I’d love to do that but unfortunately I can’t afford. At the end of the month I have no money left so doing external wall insulation would be brilliant but I don’t have the money.
@@andrewsaint6581 there's the initial capital expense of figuring out what works would be needed and estimating pricing e.g. with an architect + quantity surveyor; past that it should be a "basic math + paperwork problem" of how much cash + how much bank loan and what exact terms, also where/when/how much do various government grants fit in... I'd put the upper bound on the spend to somewhere between 3 and 10 years worth of heating bills, which for a "big", "old", "single brick solid wall" construction as described, sounds like a decent enough amount of money to be worth the overall hassle, and the cost of labour / builder / architect time.
I watched an episode of Grand Designs yesterday, in which an IR foil was installed above the plasterboard ceiling. More attractive than panels screwed to the ceiling, IMO, and I could imagine that it would be (financially) attractive to builders for new build and restoration projects.
There is a different model in play between heating open industrial spaces, which have poor insulation and air tightness. Compared to most domestic properties. Radiant heating vs air heating argument doesn't hold in the same way. In a house, if you heat the air, then heat isn't lost in the same way. It goes on to heat the building and you. If it migrates up to the ceiling, it will the ceiling, that heat will the radiate back and heat you. In a house, the heat isn't lost in the same way, it is trapped within the building envelope. So it really doesn't matter how you get that heat in. What matter is how you are generating that heat in the first place. This is just selling resistive heating. No different from your 1970's storeage heaters.
Power stations used to have yards full of heaters that would take the excess electricity and 'heat the sky' to stabilise the generator as they ramped up it capacity to match the predicted demands.
@@stephenbrickwood1602 I've tried googling it and I must be buried really far down the rabbit hole. I saw a pic decades ago literally like a giant electric fire bar.
They do that in Ontario with their nuclear power plants because someone thought it would be a good idea to install a bunch of wind turbines. The wind turbines produce most of their power in the spring which is also when they produce the most hydro power. They cant exactly hold back the water and they cant shut down the nuclear since if the wind isnt producing then they need the nuclear power plants to take over so they just heat water with the nuclear to keep them running.
This tech makes perfect sense for warehouses and churches which are usually made of one unique large room. However, I disagree with the guests regarding its practicality for regular houses when they say that it’s great as you don’t need to heat all the room(s) but just yourself where you are sat etc. This is forgetting that in the UK the air very humid, and by only heating parts of your rooms/house, you risk boosting the growth of mould. In the UK you need circulating warmed air to counter this.
I do actually remember them mentioning it near the beginning of the episode that you need to maintain a base temperature to prevent mould growth and damp issues. But it was a very quick comment, so very easy to miss.
Really? I thought this technology was particularly good in such circumstances. I regularly eat in a cafe with a very high ceiling (about 25 feet, at a guess) where they have IR panels. Seems to work there.
Not sure I quite agree with the level of heat pump bashing here. Noise issues? That's archaic. A 500% efficient heat pump in a relatively modern building is vastly superior to individually heated rooms with IR panels. The heat pump will do how water at 400% efficiency as well, obvs.
It worries me that the Herschel guys references stuff that Robert and team have disproved as part of the #stopburningstuff campaign, but were not once challenged on their factual inaccuracies. The reality is decarbonisation requires many different solutions, but it is disappointing they feel mis-information is a tool they want to use to help get their solution ahead.
Robert, if they're holding you hostage, blink twice and we'll send the SAS round to rescue you. (Sorry, couldn't resist the gag. But the video quality at the start does look a bit "hostage video" in places. Though it seems alright in the interview itself, so maybe it's just magnifying the image full-screen makes it seem worse at the beginning.)
🤔 are heat pumps your main competition or gas boilers? or both? Sometimes rubbishing the competition detracts from your products. Customer personal experiences of your products in the comments section speaks louder than the interview. Guys I wanted to know more about the company, your products and the benefits your products provide.
We need to do much more with battery storage and stop wasting the excess energy that is currently being wasted and make sure that those buildings that can be better insulated are. We're currently poor at both.
Not a bad episode at all Robert. Well done. Definitely agree with FAR IR panels as one way to go. I installed a 350W wall mounted unit (off Amazon, about £80) as a test/experiment three years and it works perfectly. However suggest you don't neglect the heating/cooking with hydrogen gas. You certainly won't need me to remind yourself that the Euros are designing the European Hydrogen Backbone (grid for short) using a lot the existing gas pipes. 170k miles in UK alone. Looking forward to your epiphany podcast on that topic.
Addendum to my last. I thought this was a European company....which I have nothing against btw, I just want to know any problems can be ironed out swiftly.... According to Herschel website only some of the ceiling panels are made here, most seem to be made in Germany. So if anything went wrong withing the fairly suspicious *up to* ten year guarantee, how long would it take to receive a replacement. Too many dodgy tactics at play here, I'm going back to Jigsaw, I think.
IR heating is a good solution in many applications, however I was disappointed to hear some misinformed digs at heat pumps. These can be complementary solutions.
Robert some... brain person on a recent radio show said memory is supposed to be lost... not age relative. Can't remember what show. Sooo yeah brain remembers small parts.
Something completely different , just been published in a Well known broad sheet , the T--mes a review of all electric cars there efficiency etc ,I’d sit down and read the rubbish the comments column is hilarious 🤪🤣🤣
Most daily drives are 10% of battery capacity. 10% rapid charger top-up is minutes. Home top-up overnight or 8 hours at the office or place of work is ezi pezi. Selfplug-in V2G EVs and a cheap wall plug at knee level in the parking space in every building too easy. Millions and millions of home robotic vacuum cleaners can do it. A big EV can do it. A life and death task for the EV. If the EV computer can safely assist on the roads, then it can easily plugin. If there are people, there are electrical power supply wall plugs.
Er......I've never met anyone who owns a home robotic vacuum cleaner.... ....ever!!! ...maybe you could use a less weird and obscure example..... .....if there is one.....!?!?
@@andymccabe6712 many people don't talk about them in their home. I have been surprised when friends spoke up. Not much of a topic. We will see what happens, I have not patented the idea.
wheres the part where the home materials are better suited and hold the heat. !? because the current materials layerd u are useless and fashion shiite like marble are just wrong in this country its always cold.
Why would anyone put this and not a heat pump?? It makes no sense. You usually dont need the heat when the sun is up or after midnight. Heat pumps don't need to be on 24/7 this technology needs them to be on when the energy is expensive...
Robert - I wonder if you dislike heat pumps for some reason? They are by far the most efficient form of electric home heating, and yet there is very little information about them from you and your team. And in this podcast you let the guys from Herschel get away with implying that heat pumps have ‘a noise issue’ or that it’s somehow makes no sense to heat the whole house. No mention of the fact that heat pumps are at least 3 or 4 times more efficient than infrared heaters. Please please do more features exploding the myths around heat pumps.
Id love to see a like for like instal cost and energy use comparison vs a wet system heat pump, air to air and infrared. Mould possible to build up as less rooms are warm. Say for a 3/4 bed house usual 9 to 5 working parent maybe kids and one parent at home a lot. What would be best solution long term
So the physics of radiant heat means that the half of your body facing the IR source will be heated, and the other half will be cold, whilst inhaling air which could be well below zero. Hmmm, I think I'll stick with heating the room rather than just half of me.
I don't think these work tbh. The running costs can't match ASHP or Gas Biolers. Instal cost atm is higher too if you figure you need to add a whole DHW system too. You'd still go Gas for that or some type electric resistance, so expensive. You need to run these for hours or days to get any re radiation from thermal masses they'd heat. Even then, heat flows from hot to cold, always, so zoned heating doesn't really work. Churches? Sure, makes sense. Any high-ceilinged building, sure, makes sense. Anything else as primary heating? hmm, not really. No BUS, no DHW, SCOP of 1 . If you don't maind yout tenents footing the running cost bill, might also be a good idea. New build high Insulation low heat loss, might work too. that's about it.
I say to the nuclear promoters Get real. Talk about costs, the massive grid capacity expansion construction costs. Nuclear electric world needs massive upscaling, get real. Needs massive financing and decades and decades. And decades and decades and decades to be profitable. The EV world is upscaling. People are paying for the EV evolution and getting a vehicle. I am going off gas as soon as I can aswell. Connection fees daily and consumption fees.
my family and friends will never buy electric car because they going to road tax it £175 and will only buy ev for 3k because out of warranty ev are huge expense to repair when battery fails
@@andymccabe6712 Well, I see you're keeping yourself up to date and no mistake. Tell you what, why not do a bit of research prior to posting. Here's a hint for you ... hydrogen powered vehicles coming into the market and the European Hydrogen Backbone. This includes UK if you were wondering. You could always research the hydrogen pipeline in south Wales. I'm quite looking forward to Imogen doing an episode on the subject in the near future. Might even see Imogen introducing her own channel with an anti-battery theme. Being an intelligent young woman it's very likely she has been researching hydrogen powered vehicles and suchlike for her own edification. It's not as if she doesn't know about hydrogen is it. And, now we all know that lithium ion batteries do self ignite a lot more often than Robert would like to admit, Imogen may not be that enamoured that this channel "insists" lithium battery fires are a myth. And, while I'm addressing your comments, suggest you further ignore this nonsense of sodium ion tech. Google to learn why. Hope that helps.
Selfplug-in V2G EVs' with self driving computer and big battery will be the most valuable home plug-in on the planet. Fly-by-wire computers can not fail, as people would die.. Home batteries are 10kwh, and EV battery is 100kwh. People are paying for the EV evolution. 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 They have a new vehicle. EVs can drive building wall plug to building wall plug, a $60 wall outlet. 500mm above the floor. Self parking is the beginning 😮 Trickle Trickle little car. How I wonder what charge you are. Up above the empty so high. Like a diamond in the sky. Trickle Trickle little car. The home robotic vacuum cleaner lullaby song. 😊😊😊😊😊
Ive had several delivery drivers ask about mine (air2air multisplit), one of the things they tend to ask "is it noisy" until I tell them its running, they just couldn't hear it. It can be a bit noisier when first switched on, you can hear a bit but when the set temperature is reached its silent.
we purchased 8 panels from Mirrorstone in Leicester just before Christmas, bought from suryaheating. We like the system much better than our gas boiler. We like that the air isn't stuffy and dry anymore. We can control each room separately. We can ask Alexa to turn the heating up and down. We like that we can arrange our furniture better because we've mounted them on the ceiling and we love that they heat the furniture they point at, we have them above our settee, dining table, kitchen sink, front door and our beds. our energy bills have come down slightly but there are to many variables at the moment to know how it will play out in the long term although I am optimistic. we are now looking to have a heat battery installed for our hot water so we can have our gas cut later this year.
I had oil heat for most of my life, then later gas. I don't remember a winter when my hands were not cold. Every day I'd sit on my hands until I had to type something so my hands didn't hurt with the cold. I made cups of tea just to warm my hands on the cup. Last year, I got a little (400 watt) IR heater. I turn it on when I sit at my computer and my hands warm up almost immediately. Here's the shocking bit: then I turn it off. Not down, off! It warms my hands and then they stay that way. I just don't need it for very long. It's lovely to be able to work and not have my hands be uncomfortable all the time.
That's a great example! I really want to get an IR heater as my partner is always turning on the large radiator and warming a room for an hour to just keep her warm. So a small IR pointed at her would be much much more efficient. So I might just send her this :D
Sounds to me, you have poor blood circulation like me, haven't tried it heater yet. Might invest in one but not sure as of yet
I wear a woolly hat and fingerless gloves when using my computer.
Going for a single-fuel domestic solution (electric) has a HUGE benefit that I'm not hearing anyone talking about - you lose the standing charge for gas. Energy suppliers are 'capped', but the standing charge is not controlled, so guess what - it's going up.
Thanks so much for such an intelligent discussion. I think I'm seeing a way forward for home heating at last.
Keep it coming!
That being said, the standing charges (gas+electricity) only account for roughly 15%-20% of the total annual energy bill and they are 2x higher for electricity. And the unit rate is 3x higher for electricity.
@@Nikoo033 I'd also be nervous about putting all my eggs in one basket when it comes to keeping my home warm. Its not so bad if you live somewhere that it doesnt get very cold but if you live somewhere cold that could turn ugly in a hurry. If you lose power when its hot out maybe you have food go bad. If you lose power when its extremely cold out you risk dying and major damage to piping in your home. Even when you get a power outage its pretty rare for the gas to go out as well. If I was going to go this route I would at minimum want a large amount of propane on the property with an instant water heater that can run on gas to provide some heat. I actually think where I live it might even be illegal not to have some sort of backup system. Insurance wont cover you if you are going all electric.
@@pin65371 or simply PV and battery. Some living off-grid do it.
@@Nikoo033
All depends on the space available for panels, depth of your wallet and load.
As you might suppose.
@dpen653 if you have a power cut your gass boiler won't work either!
Just to say. Converted my whole home and my old listed office to IR heating. I agree with all you say. And Herschel are legends!
Infrared Heating Far & Medium Infrared, is one of the most attractive, comfortable forms of heating available. I'm currently sat in front of a 50 Year old Belling Electric Infrared radiant heater. I also have one of the Herschel Medium Infrared heaters, a marvel of modern UK manufacturing...
We are slowly moving away from gas central heating to infra red and have recently installed a couple of Herschel panels - they work really well and you do feel the heat rather than hot air - it's akin to bing in the sun. Lovely! And so far, no more expensive than the Gas!
This is a really interesting episode and I thought that point made about well insulated homes not needing super-efficient systems opened up a valuable perspective on options. The church angle was particularly useful as we are currently looking for alternative systems in our village. Thank you!
I've installed a few of these heaters professionally. I'm really surprised how good they are. The heat you get from them compared to the kws used. I'm planning a refurbishment at home and will definitely consider these guys.
This was really useful Robert. I'm planning on changing from gas to infrared soon and had discounted Herschel because I believed it wasnt made in this country. Therefore would be difficult yo deal with any problems in the future as things wear out or fail. I will revisit them now I know they are making and developing their panels here. Last time I looked they were considerably more expensive than Jigsaw or Mirrorstone but if they are designing them to be modular, with replacable parts and fixable that means a lot and makes them worth considering again. It's a difficult call for me as I'm disabled and on a low income but its great to know I've got another brand to consider. 👍
@@buddywheels that's good to know. I know I'm a cynical old hector but can I ask you to elaborate a bit? I mean if your company is nearer to me so much the better...
I also just got mine installed throughout most of my flat a few weeks ago and so far so good! I got the XLS panels and corresponding mains thermostats. The heat is lovely. My electrician had never installed IR panels before, but he said it was pretty straightforward. I live in NI and the Herschel person over here was fantastic and took the time to answer all my questions and came to my flat to help me figure out the best place to put them and wattage recommendations. He even left me some sample 300w panels just so I could try it and see if I liked the kind of heat IR gave off since it's such a different feeling of heat compared to normal radiators. I personally recommend Herschel, though have not tried any other brand, so I can't give a comparison.
@@buddywheelsthank you, that's great to know. I must be disciplined and talk to at least two or three different companies. It's the fact that it's an old concept reinvented that I think is great, I remember those round lights with heaters in the middle in our bathroom as a kid.
For me it is the customer service that is important, from advice on correct sizing, ideally installing but then being available to answer any ongoing questions, problem solving etc. That and the running costs make me slightly anxious, looking for details on that too to compare with gas ch.
@@tasia2174thank you, yes the ease of installation is what I find attractive. Can't decide if I should let whichever company I choose install or or go with a local electrician. Did you change from storage heaters, gas or oil? Have you had them long enough to compare running costs yet?
@@judebrown4103 Old storage heaters. Unfortunately I've only had them about 2 weeks, so I'm not sure of the cost.
Alkmaar's St Nikolaas church is now an event/concert venue using 'IR chandeliers'. It's amazing how comfortable it is in this large hall in the winter with these switched on and how cold it feels the second they're switched off.
We have 3 x 700kw panels one in each bedroom on the ceiling, and one in the front room over the fire place. We have another 2 in our outbuilding, and we use them on sunny days were we have excess solar, just as the guys discribed, which help to suplement our ASHP on very cold days -8c or more. Easy to install and we have ours wired to thier own circuit. Highly recommend them!!
700 kW seems like a factor of 1000 too much. Lol.
The timing of this podcast is fun since I've just received delivery of two Herschel panels and thermostats for my new conservatory roof. Conservatories with glass roofs. Too bloody cold in the winter and hot in the summer.
Is it not possible to insulate or cover, seems the glass is the mistake - in both seasons (conservatory, or wastory?? All in the naming it seems. ) Jk
I’d love to lose our gas combi boiler, but we can’t fit an ASHP as there’s nowhere to fit it! Herschel panels seem to be the way to go, but how do we heat our water? Existing combi, so no hot water tank or immersion heater. Is there an efficient electric water heating system we could fit in place of the combi? Not researched yet so suggestions welcomed!
We’re in a similar position, looking to get rid of our Combi boiler, in a flat with limited space and no immersion/hot water tank anymore and the space one used to be in reclaimed as a desk/storage/office area.
I’m currently exploring the idea of thermal batteries as they can make use of low cost variable tariff electricity and time shift it to give instant hot water and don’t take up much more space than a combi. I haven’t yet seen a model that fits in the same wall mounted position and space though, most seem to be floor standing but I need to do another round of research as I last looked a year or two back.
Air source heat pumps and communal heat systems for the block of flats are other things I might have to investigate.
Perhaps a good widely knowledgeable heating engineer can advise but I’m not sure exactly where to find one…
We are seriously considering these for our place. But a 50s house with no insulation and massive windows is painful.
Also do we remove the small gas system in our undercroft? Then, hot water mixergy?
I want to thank fully charged podcast for spreading the global word. On behalf of the Clan Buchanan. The Highlander PS kindness is always free.😊😊
I am very happy with my ASHP and it is working very well for me. I agree we need different technologies that are clean to satisfy different types of housing. It really shows the need for the grants to be worded appropriately. Wishing them luck to get this updated. Thanks for another interesting subject.
What a fantastic show this was, informative, innovative ideas.....more, more, more please.
My thanks to Robert and the team for providing such excellent information. I would suggest any future programs explain advantages to using certain heating systems over others. For example when does infrared work better than in floor radiator heat?
Please continue the good information you provide. Thanks again.
I realised the EPC is useless when imogen did the passive house episode a couple of weeks ago.
I have a small 200w heater in my small (well insluated) small garden office. I am now just leaving it on all the time as it seems to be able to maintain a reasonable temperature without using much energy, whereas if the inside gets cold it struggles to warm it up again.
Infrared heating panels are fine in many situations, also have situations it can't cover. In a cold room with an office desk for example, everything above the desktop can be warm, but below the desk can still be cold - for example your feet!
I wonder how Robert copes with the situation you described. We often see him at his desk in his radiant heated office.
Underfloor heating or a small panel on the wall near the floor.
What is the energy-efficiency in comparison to heat-pump? Usually a heat pump is 300% to 400%. What are the numbers for IR pannels?
Me thinks they (company promoting their product) paid a LOT for this advert. lol Shameful.
All electric (resistive) heaters other than heat pumps are 100% efficient. Although I guess if it visibly glows then then there will be some energy 'lost' as visible light.
They are all 'resisters' and the heat is basically produced from the 'losses' in the resistor. Since the heat is a loss, effectively the energy input to the heating element is 100% utilised.
The same as electric heaters. They talk about it in the beginning. The trick is that heat is directed where it is needed not up into the ceiling.
You can be in a cold house, but put on a jacket and keep yourself warm. Your body produces the same amount of energy, but you are warmer then without the jacket.
As With electric heating 100% but still managing the losses from the envelope is key. The UK mostly heats for comfort, not building integrity. Baseload heating isn't IR. Heat pumps are more expensive to install the gains come later, much later. (Heated floors are harder to retrofit)
@silverleapers Yeah, shame on them for promoting their zero emmission heaters. 🙄😆😆
I'm sat with one of their 220w under desk heaters keeping me warm right now and it is amazing. Wife loves it too.
Great products and easy to install. Potential to be run from renewables, no new skills to learn to install them.
They should take every opportunity to spread the word 👍👍
In my small one bedroom place I stopped using an almost 3kw oil filled radiator and replaced it with an 800W electric panel heater and a small 600W oil filled heater.
The two work well together for 99% of the year. The panel heater produces about 50% radiant heat and 50% convected heat.
Most electric heaters in the past were radiant 'bar' heaters, from the 1930s until gas started to dominate in the 1980s.
- the old becomes new again (quartz tubes this time around). Heated jackets will be next. Nb. - the UK Isn't generally frost heaving cold.
Got my tickets and travel card for Good Friday looking forward to being there.
I was hoping this would be a podcast about different heating types. As it is essentially a platform for Herschel, I will look elsewhere for BALANCED information, without all the corporate misinformation and sales pitches.
I am beholden to the SAP software to generate an EPC everyday.. there are dozens of anomalies and flaws in the system software, they are right about installing a gas boilers because of cost. Eg: sometimes when adding an extra shower it improves the EPC score 😆
Just wondering what happens in "shadows"? Like with feet under table. Or sitting close to window with only one side irradiated?
I super want an IR panel on the bathroom ceiling, but it SO hard to find one to mount there thats suitable for bathrooms IP rating wise, especially if you always want to manage it via a home smart system like hubitat or home assistant. They all seem to require specific manufacturer controls and their own remote. Yuck.
I want a proper wifi or zigbee enabled device, that can go on the ceiling in a bathroom. Why is that so hard to find?
Also can anyone tell me why ir panels are not built to modulate their power draw? Theyre either off or on full blast - sure they turn off when target temp is reached, but its the sudden massive draw that concerns me in this age of home batteries and such.
I need something like that, I am considering a small panel heater which will produce some radiated and convected heat.
Full on heat or completely off is crude and not a particularly comfortable form of people heating, especially as these units actually warm your skin, so you instantly notice when they cycle off. Make one which cuts to half power when up to temperature, and maybe I'll give the next hour long free advert more attention.
It worries me when people like the Herschel guys say things like "The grid would not cope" there is too much misinformation as it is, maybe wise to validate such statements . PS ive had Herschel IR for 4 years s8nce I retro fitted my house to be fully insulated with Solar and house battery. With on demand hot water solution. My bills are tiny now compared to my gas fueled neighbours 😊.
There's of the cast was great, so much that was discussed seeing my home, cheep to run, highly flexible schedule to heat the rooms I use, free to heat my office when the sun is out. Love this tech ❤
They make a comment implying that heat pumps need to be on 24x7 and heat the whole house. This is misinformation. Heat pumps don't rapidly heat a house, but don't need to be on 24x7 and it's entirely possible to turn off your radiators in unused rooms.
Something for the stop burning stuff misinformation channel to look into
All my best wishes to Paul & Matt to be the first to convert an old church (gas heated) to a carbon neutral church with your IR electric radiators, PV solar panels (including neighbours area), batteries and software. ❤
Thanks for highlighting the benefit of a different electrical heating technology.
They have their place, but just remember a well installed heat pump is going to give you 400% output on a mild day and 300% on a cold day and provide your hot water also. I don’t find resistive heating without a time shifting component partially green, if we take this route we are going to need to build a lot of nuclear plants - like France did.
Totally agree!
This tech has it's place but heat pumps will need to be the bulk solution.
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I see you keep up to date ... HMG are planning to do just that utilising the "new" family of modular fission reactors.
You might find the info on MSM ...
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Hmm ... unfortunately there's a considerable capital cost and lengthy payback to consider despite any subsidies.
FAR IR heaters might be a better bet despite the claimed 300% efficiency of heat pumps.
@@t1n4444
The issue is about matching generation capacity to use, that is closing the gap and squeezing out fossil fuels.
The amount of generation capacity will need to be a lot higher if we don't use heat pumps for the bulk of heating requirements.
That in turn means delays in decarbonisation, more resources and land used for generation etc.
It's the same with land transport.
Ah, you're referring to hydrogen.
Well done ... very, very few on this platform share my enthusiasm for hydrogen as a fuel.
Fortunately others do and are busy building a world in which hydrogen will be the ultimate answer to the decarbonising of the atmosphere.
Unfortunately it will be too late to prevent all the ice melting so our progeny will be living on a lot less real estate and rather a lot of quite large rafts learning to eat fish, seaweed and liking it.
Still, they'll just have to make the best of it.
I blame it on batteries.
You are right about EPC I was told not to review it because it would be worse than when it has a gas boiler, even though we have solar, battery storage, and heat pump, and better insulation so daft. My bills are lower so EPC is just wrong and unfair. Our heat pump is not on all time btw, on timer and is effective. Great video ❤
Amazing to admire there are smart UK engineers out there changing the World for better.
If I've got 3kW (solar) spare... What, from my 4kW array on a cloudy day in the middle of January? 😂 Seriously, with the climate and grid issues we're facing today resistive electic heating at "only" 100% efficiency is not a serious option for primary heating a retrofit. We don't all live in Passive Houses. 🤦♂️
Ok So who is this Hershel Guy?? Sorry but I couldn't resist.
Great episode. A lot of food for thought there.
Thanks Robert, I am really interested in getting some Hershel gear for my home in the US.
Sounds terrific.
I use portable heat pumps. I only run them when I get solar. Get it warm during the day and on most days no heating at night. It is an old house in Oakland ca.
I've now gone a year without using gas and would like to ask my supplier to terminate the supply. I installed ceiling-mounted IRs in the Autumn and also use some portable convection heaters. However, I'm concerned that if I want a heat pump in future (so I can have a bath/shower), not actually switching from gas will make me ineligible for the government £7.5k subsidy. What to do?
This looks ideal for my use and needs. i have used a 330w infrared in my loft bedroom for 2 winters and its been fine. Now i need to look into all rooms
What about district beating and distributing via mains water pipes? Also evacuated tube solar for low temperature hearing?
District heating involves massive infrastructure and very hard to finance and retrofit. Where they have it, cool, not gonna happen in the UK. Not even sue where you'd get the heat from in the UK tbh. Not a lot of industry / waste heat here to tap into.
Evacuated Solar is no good in most cases. The weight, leaks risk, cost etc. Best to pt PV and runit through a HP to get SCOP of 4 or so. It's more efficient, economical, safer and felxable coz youu get electricity.
I would love to change from gas to electric but I live in a big old house with both gable ends are single brick and all outside walls are solid walls, it’s a very cold house. We’ve got the loft insulated and have tried to close all drafts. I’d have electric ceramic heaters but electric is far too expensive unfortunately for my situation.
U haven't been paying attention.
You may not be able to cheaply heat your whole house, but heat where you will mostly be.
Apologies if this sounds insensitive, "I'd like to save on heating in a poorly insulated house => insulate your house". Is there a reason why you can't put e.g. a layer of insulation + second layer of brick all around? Have you talked to any builders/architects already re permits/pricing?
@@SrdjanRosic I’d love to do that but unfortunately I can’t afford. At the end of the month I have no money left so doing external wall insulation would be brilliant but I don’t have the money.
@@SrdjanRosicinitial capital expense?
@@andrewsaint6581 there's the initial capital expense of figuring out what works would be needed and estimating pricing e.g. with an architect + quantity surveyor; past that it should be a "basic math + paperwork problem" of how much cash + how much bank loan and what exact terms, also where/when/how much do various government grants fit in... I'd put the upper bound on the spend to somewhere between 3 and 10 years worth of heating bills, which for a "big", "old", "single brick solid wall" construction as described, sounds like a decent enough amount of money to be worth the overall hassle, and the cost of labour / builder / architect time.
Use heated seat pads, hot carpets, and heated chairs, as well. Japan even has heat elements embedded in floors.
I watched an episode of Grand Designs yesterday, in which an IR foil was installed above the plasterboard ceiling. More attractive than panels screwed to the ceiling, IMO, and I could imagine that it would be (financially) attractive to builders for new build and restoration projects.
There is a different model in play between heating open industrial spaces, which have poor insulation and air tightness. Compared to most domestic properties. Radiant heating vs air heating argument doesn't hold in the same way.
In a house, if you heat the air, then heat isn't lost in the same way. It goes on to heat the building and you. If it migrates up to the ceiling, it will the ceiling, that heat will the radiate back and heat you. In a house, the heat isn't lost in the same way, it is trapped within the building envelope. So it really doesn't matter how you get that heat in. What matter is how you are generating that heat in the first place.
This is just selling resistive heating. No different from your 1970's storeage heaters.
I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.
Ceiling mounted IR heaters? Explains why Rob’s so hot headed for his age 😂
Power stations used to have yards full of heaters that would take the excess electricity and 'heat the sky' to stabilise the generator as they ramped up it capacity to match the predicted demands.
EV cars can help with this.
I thought I didn't know about this but an ancient inkling thinks I do.
@@andrewsaint6581 for me it was one comment a long time ago.
A power engineer referring to noal wasteage and preparation time.
@@andrewsaint6581 EVs and community batteries and aluminium refineries and big grid batteries
@@stephenbrickwood1602 I've tried googling it and I must be buried really far down the rabbit hole.
I saw a pic decades ago literally like a giant electric fire bar.
They do that in Ontario with their nuclear power plants because someone thought it would be a good idea to install a bunch of wind turbines. The wind turbines produce most of their power in the spring which is also when they produce the most hydro power. They cant exactly hold back the water and they cant shut down the nuclear since if the wind isnt producing then they need the nuclear power plants to take over so they just heat water with the nuclear to keep them running.
Did they say you can run it off the lighting circuit? If that's safe, I could put one on the ceiling of the room I work from home in.
- best get expert advice, not acting on shilling. Adding 500W to a light circuit is not trivial. (Dead easy, to cook your ceiling cavity.)
I stood in front of some of these ir panels at fully charged north last year. It is just like having the sun shining on your face.
This tech makes perfect sense for warehouses and churches which are usually made of one unique large room. However, I disagree with the guests regarding its practicality for regular houses when they say that it’s great as you don’t need to heat all the room(s) but just yourself where you are sat etc.
This is forgetting that in the UK the air very humid, and by only heating parts of your rooms/house, you risk boosting the growth of mould.
In the UK you need circulating warmed air to counter this.
I do actually remember them mentioning it near the beginning of the episode that you need to maintain a base temperature to prevent mould growth and damp issues. But it was a very quick comment, so very easy to miss.
I was interested in this product but the panels won’t work on my 3.5m ceilings. Too high. Love the tech though.
Really? I thought this technology was particularly good in such circumstances. I regularly eat in a cafe with a very high ceiling (about 25 feet, at a guess) where they have IR panels. Seems to work there.
How far above you are they located. Suspended or on the actual ceiling?
When I got a quote they mentioned max height from floor of 2.7m.
Why is the company called Herschel ?
Keep up the good work.
Brilliant video - Wonder do to trade in Ireland among their, was it 54 countries they mentioned?
Not sure I quite agree with the level of heat pump bashing here. Noise issues? That's archaic. A 500% efficient heat pump in a relatively modern building is vastly superior to individually heated rooms with IR panels. The heat pump will do how water at 400% efficiency as well, obvs.
Herschel don't sell heat pumps so they have to criticise their main competition.
It worries me that the Herschel guys references stuff that Robert and team have disproved as part of the #stopburningstuff campaign, but were not once challenged on their factual inaccuracies. The reality is decarbonisation requires many different solutions, but it is disappointing they feel mis-information is a tool they want to use to help get their solution ahead.
Robert, if they're holding you hostage, blink twice and we'll send the SAS round to rescue you.
(Sorry, couldn't resist the gag. But the video quality at the start does look a bit "hostage video" in places. Though it seems alright in the interview itself, so maybe it's just magnifying the image full-screen makes it seem worse at the beginning.)
🤔 are heat pumps your main competition or gas boilers? or both?
Sometimes rubbishing the competition detracts from your products.
Customer personal experiences of your products in the comments section speaks louder than the interview.
Guys I wanted to know more about the company, your products and the benefits your products provide.
Or you could have a heat pump, A2W or A2A and use 1/4 the electricity
Another Fully Charged / Everything Electric sponsor advert
We need to do much more with battery storage and stop wasting the excess energy that is currently being wasted and make sure that those buildings that can be better insulated are. We're currently poor at both.
interesting linguistic point, though trivial, is the pronunciation of in SH ulation. In the states, the first s is just s.
Let's face it, you americans pronounce quite a few things wrong, like aluminium and vitamin!😁
Not a bad episode at all Robert. Well done.
Definitely agree with FAR IR panels as one way to go.
I installed a 350W wall mounted unit (off Amazon, about £80) as a test/experiment three years and it works perfectly.
However suggest you don't neglect the heating/cooking with hydrogen gas.
You certainly won't need me to remind yourself that the Euros are designing the European Hydrogen Backbone (grid for short) using a lot the existing gas pipes.
170k miles in UK alone.
Looking forward to your epiphany podcast on that topic.
You should mute Robert's microphone when guests are talking becouse his "yeas", "rights" and "oks" are very distracting.
Beautiful ❤
I use a Far Infrared Sauna and value its benefits!!!
A hot tub sleeping pod is super efficient too, no need to heat the whole house... lol
Addendum to my last. I thought this was a European company....which I have nothing against btw, I just want to know any problems can be ironed out swiftly.... According to Herschel website only some of the ceiling panels are made here, most seem to be made in Germany. So if anything went wrong withing the fairly suspicious *up to* ten year guarantee, how long would it take to receive a replacement. Too many dodgy tactics at play here, I'm going back to Jigsaw, I think.
IR heating is a good solution in many applications, however I was disappointed to hear some misinformed digs at heat pumps. These can be complementary solutions.
Robert some... brain person on a recent radio show said memory is supposed to be lost... not age relative. Can't remember what show. Sooo yeah brain remembers small parts.
Something completely different , just been published in a Well known broad sheet , the T--mes a review of all electric cars there efficiency etc ,I’d sit down and read the rubbish the comments column is hilarious 🤪🤣🤣
Most daily drives are 10% of battery capacity.
10% rapid charger top-up is minutes.
Home top-up overnight or 8 hours at the office or place of work is ezi pezi.
Selfplug-in V2G EVs and a cheap wall plug at knee level in the parking space in every building too easy.
Millions and millions of home robotic vacuum cleaners can do it.
A big EV can do it.
A life and death task for the EV.
If the EV computer can safely assist on the roads, then it can easily plugin.
If there are people, there are electrical power supply wall plugs.
Er......I've never met anyone who owns a home robotic vacuum cleaner....
....ever!!!
...maybe you could use a less weird and obscure example.....
.....if there is one.....!?!?
@@andymccabe6712 many people don't talk about them in their home.
I have been surprised when friends spoke up.
Not much of a topic.
We will see what happens, I have not patented the idea.
wheres the part where the home materials are better suited and hold the heat. !? because the current materials layerd u are useless and fashion shiite like marble are just wrong in this country its always cold.
Why would anyone put this and not a heat pump?? It makes no sense. You usually dont need the heat when the sun is up or after midnight. Heat pumps don't need to be on 24/7 this technology needs them to be on when the energy is expensive...
Well, for me I just switched to IR because I'm in a flat. I don't have the option for a heat pump unfortunately.
Robert - I wonder if you dislike heat pumps for some reason? They are by far the most efficient form of electric home heating, and yet there is very little information about them from you and your team. And in this podcast you let the guys from Herschel get away with implying that heat pumps have ‘a noise issue’ or that it’s somehow makes no sense to heat the whole house. No mention of the fact that heat pumps are at least 3 or 4 times more efficient than infrared heaters. Please please do more features exploding the myths around heat pumps.
Robbert don't have to pay council tax on his farmhouse mansion but we working people do, how is this fair?
Id love to see a like for like instal cost and energy use comparison vs a wet system heat pump, air to air and infrared.
Mould possible to build up as less rooms are warm.
Say for a 3/4 bed house usual 9 to 5 working parent maybe kids and one parent at home a lot.
What would be best solution long term
Horse meat was cheap when the Ford model T production line started. Hahaha Hahaha 😊
Maybe carburetors, pistons and injection pumps will be going cheap soon, although they aren't as tasty as horse meat.
@@robinhood4640 Hahaha Hahaha Hahaha 😆
So the physics of radiant heat means that the half of your body facing the IR source will be heated, and the other half will be cold, whilst inhaling air which could be well below zero. Hmmm, I think I'll stick with heating the room rather than just half of me.
The guests’ bad sound makes good video look bad.
It doesn’t sound that bad. This js just something that these online meetings aren’t good at.
It is not always viable to do in person discussions
I don't think these work tbh. The running costs can't match ASHP or Gas Biolers. Instal cost atm is higher too if you figure you need to add a whole DHW system too. You'd still go Gas for that or some type electric resistance, so expensive. You need to run these for hours or days to get any re radiation from thermal masses they'd heat. Even then, heat flows from hot to cold, always, so zoned heating doesn't really work. Churches? Sure, makes sense. Any high-ceilinged building, sure, makes sense. Anything else as primary heating? hmm, not really. No BUS, no DHW, SCOP of 1 . If you don't maind yout tenents footing the running cost bill, might also be a good idea. New build high Insulation low heat loss, might work too. that's about it.
i let my diesel car fumes go over my burger for extra flavor, dinasour flavor
Why do these people talk about 'elecetric' when they mean electricity? E.g. their electric heaters run on electricity not electric.
With old houses infrared heating will encourage mold unfortunately.
Air movement will prevent mold. A small fan should work.
Robert, could you please alter the camera angle on future podcasts? All I can concentrate on is your nasal hair! 😉
I say to the nuclear promoters
Get real. Talk about costs, the massive grid capacity expansion construction costs.
Nuclear electric world needs massive upscaling, get real. Needs massive financing and decades and decades.
And decades and decades and decades to be profitable.
The EV world is upscaling. People are paying for the EV evolution and getting a vehicle.
I am going off gas as soon as I can aswell.
Connection fees daily and consumption fees.
my family and friends will never buy electric car because they going to road tax it £175 and will only buy ev for 3k because out of warranty ev are huge expense to repair when battery fails
😂😂😂😂
Phew!!!
Just as well hydrogen powered vehicles are soon to be introduced.
@@t1n4444 well.....in you unrealistic dreamer fantasies...maybe.
... but, not in real life...on planet Earth.....!!!
@@andymccabe6712
Well, I see you're keeping yourself up to date and no mistake.
Tell you what, why not do a bit of research prior to posting.
Here's a hint for you ... hydrogen powered vehicles coming into the market and the European Hydrogen Backbone. This includes UK if you were wondering.
You could always research the hydrogen pipeline in south Wales.
I'm quite looking forward to Imogen doing an episode on the subject in the near future.
Might even see Imogen introducing her own channel with an anti-battery theme.
Being an intelligent young woman it's very likely she has been researching hydrogen powered vehicles and suchlike for her own edification.
It's not as if she doesn't know about hydrogen is it.
And, now we all know that lithium ion batteries do self ignite a lot more often than Robert would like to admit, Imogen may not be that enamoured that this channel "insists" lithium battery fires are a myth.
And, while I'm addressing your comments, suggest you further ignore this nonsense of sodium ion tech. Google to learn why.
Hope that helps.
Selfplug-in V2G EVs' with self driving computer and big battery will be the most valuable home plug-in on the planet.
Fly-by-wire computers can not fail, as people would die..
Home batteries are 10kwh, and EV battery is 100kwh.
People are paying for the EV evolution. 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
They have a new vehicle.
EVs can drive building wall plug to building wall plug, a $60 wall outlet. 500mm above the floor.
Self parking is the beginning 😮
Trickle Trickle little car.
How I wonder what charge you are.
Up above the empty so high.
Like a diamond in the sky.
Trickle Trickle little car.
The home robotic vacuum cleaner lullaby song. 😊😊😊😊😊
Ha!....takes all sorts, eh .. Stephen.....!?!?
@@andymccabe6712 we will see.
Thers nothing in Robberts youtube chanel for the poor
Can we please hurry and get the toxic combustion vehicles off the street. Obsolete fart cars.
when will you businesses start paying us poor working people £30 an hour?
heat pump is very loud and ugly, collects dust and blows dust at you
Put it somewhere you don’t have to look at it then, though I think the newer ones are less offensive
Ive had several delivery drivers ask about mine (air2air multisplit), one of the things they tend to ask "is it noisy" until I tell them its running, they just couldn't hear it.
It can be a bit noisier when first switched on, you can hear a bit but when the set temperature is reached its silent.
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😂😂😂
But surely it all depends on the type of property?
Heats pumps can impact on the neighbours with the unwanted noise aspect.
Heat pump can be used with ducted system. You don't have to have a mini split.
@@hoffinger
What, outside?