Ah, yes, I was warned by a member of the "hammock community" that this topic of hammocks is VERY controversial and those in the community are VERY SENSITIVE to any criticism. Well, fortunately for me, I am not apologetic for my criticisms and compliments. Why? Because it's MY OPINION, just like your opinion is YOUR OPINION. Ain't it great we can all have our own???
I made my own bridge hammock, double layer also and with special webbing "pockets" and loops to insert my trekking poles as spreader bars. Just the hammock is 414 grams; currently working on lighter dyneema suspension and I will get inspiration from this setup for my tarp😁
I have two. I bit heavy for backpacking but still justifiable. Super quick and easy set-up. Warm, stable, comfortable and storm worthy. Give the fly a good spray with silicone every other year or so. I mostly use this hammock for motorcycle camping.
Right on. I likely wouldn't use it for hiking or bicycling, but THAT'S IT! For motorbike, car, canoe, kayak and anything else I can think of, it's perfect for sure!
Thanks Diva! You are correct, but laying diagonally does not eliminate the "banana" shape to which your body will naturally want to mold, though it may minimize it a bit when you're on your back. In addition, I would challenge you to lay flat on your stomach! I'm not trying to diss regular hammocks, I'm just looking for the best option on the market! Thanks for commenting!
@@ruggedoutdoorsguide9904 As a full time hammock sleeper I can tell you the right length hammock makes all the difference in the world. I sleep full time at home in a home made 11.5 foot x 71.5 inch hammock and every so often do lay in it on my stomach without issue.
Thanks DJ. You might be right, however, here's what I can tell you (and unfortunately, it directly cancels out your statement): I am a light sleeper and cannot sleep on my back. I have tried dozens of hammocks and even laying diagonally, it's impossible to lay on my stomach. The hammock is a sling! The suspension-bridge style hammock is the only style that allows me to sleep on my stomach (and even then it's a bit uncomfortable), so I'm not sure what style of magic hammock you're using, but I'll guarantee you that if it's not a bridged hammock or a hammock with a flat board in it, I would not be able to sleep on my stomach in it - but I can with the Helsdon! Thanks for watching!
Love this hammock! Have slept in one for a weekend, and had the best sleep ever on a kayaking trip. Great that you have "your own space" even in a large group and it was so comfortable, and I could keep things together in my space.
Thanks for sharing! I've had some negative feedback from "hammock people" who say virtually everything is BAD about this hammock - can't see the sky, too heavy, it's a knock-off, all other saggy hammocks are just as supportive if you sleep on an angle, etc. All of their arguments are bogus - I appreciate your actual honesty. Thanks for watching.
Excellent review of this hammock tent. I have one, in fact I loved it so much I became the Australian Distributor! I started hammocking in a superbly made Tier Gear Goshawk gathered end asymmetric (banana) hammock but the sleep in the Helsdon is far superior. It is the quickest and simplest hammock to set up and I've set up a few! I also have the Haven XL which is a great unit but the Helsdon beats it for better sleep, ease of setup and take down and is fractionally lighter with more options for the mat (I use a closed cell foam mat, $10 from K-Mart). I also set it up with a tarp overhead to give me a porch to sit and cook under. It isn't as light as many tents but it keeps me off the ground and is much better to get in and out of at my age and health.
Well said. Only after I did this review did I realize that the world of hammocking can be very mean, unforgiving and controversial with lots of banana-style hammock "experts" spitting vitriol at me for not realizing that sleeping diagonally somehow makes banana hammocks "lay flat" (which is not true at all and if it was, who wants to always lay diagonally and still be smothered on the sides by the edges of the material?). The Helsdon is virtually a one-of-a-kind hammock that is criticized by those who don't have one. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@ruggedoutdoorsguide9904 I also liked and subbed! Yes I lie diagonally in the Goshawk but it is nothing compared to the Helsdon. I should say I laid... past tense. Wanna buy a Goshawk hammock?
I have used this hammock, as Eureka Chrysalis Hammock and have talked with Dave over the years a few times. FYI his home number was listed on Eureka contact information 😂. Few things to note: this hammock isn't light, like other bridge or standard hammocks with diagonal lay, a bit heavier than the rest. Canadian weather can be tricky from dry to humid in a day and the "fly" on this hammock while it provides protection from rain it also keeps moisture in, there will be plenty of condensation on the inside. One way to mitigate this problem is to stretch a tarp, silpoly or nylonpoly over the hammock and leave the windows open. I slept in this hammock near water on fishing trips in various conditions, including freezing weather and a tarp is a necessity. Also, the weight rating is a little conservative : I've had myself and contents of my backpack inside of this hammock no problem, some 300lb put together. There is however one thing this hammock lacks: underquilt. Even with good thermarest insulated pad tucked under isn't going to protect you from winter temps. A down filled underquilt is necessary and those unfortunately are hard to find for bridge hammocks, simply because of the shape of them. Otherwise I'd recommend this hammock for a weekend warrior in mild, warm weather.
Do you use a version with the large rectangular windows on the sides and a double layer tent fabric? Earlier versions with a single layer tent and a smaller hole for ventilation could cause some condensation, but our own experience, as well as feedback from customers, is that condensation is minimal with the latest model. You are absolutely right that the weight limit is a little conservative. We are evaluating this as we speak and are working with our manufacturer to specify the strength of all components (webbing, fabric, buckles, carabiners) to come up with a weight limit that is grounded in reality rather than fear of US law suits. I use the Helsdon Hammock in -20 C (-4 F) without an under quilt. I don't even own an under quilt. I use double sleeping pads in the winter, with a total R value of 4.5. That keeps me warm and comfortable during really cold winter nights here in Sweden.
I have a -5C down under quilt by Alton that cost me $370 and I am selling it as it doesn't fit my Helsdon... plus I don;t need it. I've used a $10 closed cell foam mat down to 0C and below that I would throw in my R4 Trekology. I might even just slip the underquilt into the sleeve and see if that works. But that's months away. Our summer gets hot, often over 40C so I plan to use a tarp and separate bug net, leaving the inner and outer flys off for better insulation.
Well, idk how this comment section became a hate center but it's certainly not called for... Diagonal lay hammock come about and suddenly everyone's a fucking expert 😂 Diagonal is good but mostly for summer or at-home setups, in colder weather more lightweight setups it's pretty much necessary to lay 'straight'. There's a ton of different hammocks out there: bridge, there's double layer, diagonal-lay, tent hybrids etc. You can even get them with integrated or separate mosquito nets, with/out Ridgeline, with/out underquilts... Oof that's a mouthful! Anyway there's pros and cons of all of them, no point in arguing over that. All I know is this one is rather innovative, there's a bunch of features that were mentioned here and load more that Helsdon explains in his channel, and then there's secret design features that you wouldn't normally hear, like the fact that this is NOT a bridge hammock, it's an improvement upon that idea, which I won't explain for the sake of confidentiality. This is also the first one I've seen where you've a good way to store your things both in and outside the hammock. 2 minutes to set up camp is almost unheard of in the camping world, so quit blabbering and appreciate the awesomeness of this hammock! Great video! I like your content and how it's organized. Very well thought out. Your energy is a joy to watch, don't let the critics pull you down. (thought some timestamps might be worth it?) And you jawline... Dude it's emasculating just looking at someone some much more manly looking 😂
I appreciate your insight and feedback. I think if anyone takes the time to review it, you can actually help viewers of my channel. Thanks again for your participation and comments!
Great review Pete! This looks to be the perfect camping solution for my forthcoming canoe adventures. I hopefully have a Wenonah Solo Plus in Innegra Black Ultralight finally arriving down-under very soon after a 9 month wait. I have just sent an email to the team at Helsdon asking if they can ship their hammocks to Australia… so hope you are on commission! Love your work. Please keep sharing as I have picked up some great insights from The Rugged Outdoors Guide videos and blogs.
Hey Spike! Great to hear! Unfortunately, Helsdon does not have a Canadian commission sharing program. Just tell 'em you heard of them from Pete's Rugged Outdoors RUclips channel and that should put a fire under their butts! Thanks my friend!
Aside from some weight savings I don't see why anyone would get this monstrosity over the Haven Hammock Tent. Haven obviously didn't invent the bridge hammock but they improved the original bridge design idea so that it becomes applicable for ordinary people. Great video btw
Hey Roman; Thanks for the comment. A couple of observations: The price of the Haven is similar to the Helsdon so no big difference on that front. Aside from that, the Helsdon has more storage space and has a 360 degree bug net that automatically deploys when you zip yourself in for the night. Also, because of the Helsdon's design, it sets up in under 60 seconds (and that's not trying to do it in a hurry - it's just that easy working at a normal pace). No need for rain fly setup - it's built in. No need for storage outside or under the canoe - it's built right in. No need for a bug net - it's built right in. That's why this tent (IMO) beats the Haven easily. However, we all have our own takes on things so I live and let live!
@@ruggedoutdoorsguide9904The Haven has an integrated bugnet and the rainfly can stay permanently attached. I'm currently testing it in heavy rain with 90% humidity yet no condensation issues so far. On the Helsdon it looks like as if you're basically laying in a straight rift whereas the Haven gives me a nearly perfectly even sleeping surface due to the semi integrated sleeping pad.
Hi from the uk. You noted that it has 360 degree bug protection but what stops bugs from getting in the massive ventilation hole on the top of the inner fly? Surely bugs can get between the fly sheets and through that hole?
Thanks for the question! In the video, you'll see the inner rain fly with those vent holes you mention along the ridgeline. Without the final layer (which is already attached by default, so no need to attach like I did for the review) it's not bug-proof. But if you don't mess with it and peel back layers, then the top layer keeps all bugs out. It also keeps rain out except for the vent holes you see beside my head in the thumbnail. The only reason the inner rain fly exists is to protect from rain coming through the large, square vent hole in the outer layer. Cheers,
Hi Pete.That is certainly a hammock that has been thought about.and the weight is not a problem for me because I only do canoe camping.keep on making these kind of videos.
Interesting. It may have all these features, but it likely doesn't suit my usage. I would love to try one out, but I just bought my 9th hammock werks ago. Perhaps when I get my next contract or J.O.B. Waves from Atlantic Canada.
Anybody else that has bought the hammock that has issues with smell? Mine really has this very strong chemical smell. I have had it outside to air out, but it still smells very strong, like it itches in my throat. I have just been inside it for 10 min, and the food I ate after, all day, had a chemical taste to it. Like from paint. The hammock is made in China, not in Canada. Invented and manufactured in Canada it says, but it is made in China.
Hey! I have been around dozens of Helsdon Hammocks (new ones at a tradeshow and on display) and if I include those and the one I own, I have never had any odours at all - even when brand new. If you really have a chemical smell that is overwhelming, I'd contact Helsdon with that issue and explain as best you can. That's a problem I've never experienced.
No worries! That's why we have choice. Have you tried the Helsdon Hammock? Ridgerunner is $130, while Helsdon is closer to $400. The difference is quite substantial. The Helsdon is incredibly tough, and it's a tent in the air. It's also a mosquito-protective environment and it's a huge storage unit so that none of your gear (other than maybe your big dry bag) has to be on the ground. It's all suspended in the hammock. Plus, you can pack 2 large backpacks inside the hammock near your head and your feet. I don't think it's a fair comparison between the two, but admittedly, they both are hammocks! :) As far as Opeongo, they look nice, that's for sure. However, I doubt they can be set up in 45 seconds from fully packed, to sleepable condition. Thanks for the feedback! Cheers,
There's a "sleeve" for your pad built in. It sits under the main part of the hammock and if you put any pad in that sleeve, you're pretty much insulated from the outside breezes from underneath.
I just got one and I am looking forward to be camping with it! Thanks for the great review and sharing all the information! I am definitely subscribing to your channel! Cheers!
What is the difference between the latest one that Eureka offered and the latest one from Helsdon? I just purchased one from Eureka before seeing this video.
EXCELLENT QUESTION! I know Dave Helsdon has lots to say on this matter, and I know he's tweaking and upgrading every single year to make it one step better than it was last year. For the best answer, I would go to www.helsdonoutdoors.com/ and then contact Dave via the email link. One of his team should be able to give you a complete answer. If you don't get an answer within a few days, let me know and I'll give you the breakdown as best I can.
Yes, it's a bridge hammock but it's a hammock with a 100% bug and rain coverage from 360 degrees from side wind/rain/bugs, etc. You're 100 encircled with a tent unless you choose to take the tent off. Most other bridge hammocks have only a bug net for the top (so it's possible to get mosquito bites on your back if you lay directly on the hammock bed. Also, most bridge hammocks have only a separate fly hung on its own above you to keep you dry from rain, and it better not be windy and rainy or you'll get wet. The Helsdon will keep you dry even if the rain is falling sideways and you only need two anchor points (trees) for the whole setup - no separate fly. In fact, I've set up the entire hammock with mosquito net, rain fly, etc. in less than 30 seconds. No other bridge hammock is quite like this one on many points, but otherwise, yes, the bed itself is engineered like a bridge hammock. Thanks for watching and commenting.
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Ordered! Shipping tomorrow! Can't wait! :) Do you think I could use the bag to hang my food in a tree?
You probably could, but it won't hold too much and it offers no protection or deterrence. It may be an added cost, but I would suggest getting a basic plastic food barrel (so no worries of wet food or odours). For what it's worth, I'm a fan of not hanging food. Cliff Jacobson has written about this often and I agree with him. Here's another article that might help: andrewskurka.com/argument-against-hanging-bear-bag/. Thanks for commenting and I know you'll love the Helsdon.
Hey Greg; I'm not sure what you mean exactly. The unit does not include a tarp - only a tent with an "interior" fly. The whole hammock (in this video) was too high when I tightened the main strap so I had to lower it in order to actually get into it for the review. At any rate, I appreciate your watching and your engagement.
Yeah i get what you mean. I am worried this might not be the best hammock to setup when it's raining. It's super fast to deploy, Helsdon himself does it in 2 minutes, but a normal tarp setup is generally in that case because you can set up the tarp and be sheltered from the incoming rain while you set up the rest of the stuff like the hammock and such.
@@pedroclaro7822 So set up your tarp then set up the hammock under the shelter the tarp offers and it never gets wet. When you break camp you roll up the hammock while still one end attached (see my video) and then with everything in your pack, still dry and covered, you can quickly stash the wet tarp in a bag or outer pocket of the pack and away you go. The hammock tent should be just high enough so you can sit on the edge and your feet touch the floor; the tarp can be up as high as you can reach for more venitlation and headroom. Done the smart way the hammock never touches the ground, never gets wet and your pack can be stored inside and kept dry, too. The wet rain cover of the pack can be stored under the hammock in the bug net (I leave the hammock bag there).
Please have a look at the Warbonnet Ridgerunner. You'll. Find that amingstvthe hammock community it's generally viewed as the bestvbridge hammock ever. Having had a Eureka Chrysalis ( this hammocks original. Name) I can assure you the Ridgerunner is better in every way. Lighter, bigger, stronger etc. I have tried just about every bridge hammock out there. The Ridgerunner, combined with the spindrift sock ( tent) over it,, is by a very long way the best. Second is the Amok Draumr. Another superb bridge hammock. Great review, but I think you will. Loooooove the Warbonnet Ridgerunner. All the best from Wales.
The website for the Ridgerunner did not impress me. I couldn't get a look at the fly (is it integrated?) or storage space (is it integrated?) or bug net (is it integrated?) or how it's attached to the trees, or a look on the inside with videos, etc. It looks inferior and less beefy and substantial than Helsdon, but admittedly, I have not tried the Warbonnet product so I can't really comment too much. I'll let the community comment ! Thanks for taking the time to write and perhaps it'll get someone thinking! Cheers,
sweet vid man, wasnt aware about the weight and the size of the package when packed up. but im willing to carry that, im a side sleeper. cheers for the great vid!
Right on. Always great to hear encouragement. Unfortunately on this video, lots of haters love to leave messages telling me how much better regular, saggy hammocks are and how sleeping on an angle can make them lay flat. HOGWASH! But hey, any comments are better than no comments. Thanks for watching!
Hello Good People (and others)! There seems to be a small but vocal group of "Haters" in the hammock community with very little tact, and no grace (who take hammocks WAY too seriously). Fortunately, for my valued viewers and supporters, I will not display your vitriol or give validation to your self-righteous assertion that you apparently know everything about hammocks, and that I know nothing. If we can all learn to apply a little bit of diplomacy and grace in our comment-writing style, maybe the comments can be useful to others and they may show publically on my RUclips channel. Until then, I won't suffer my subscribers to read hateful and unhelpful comments. Thanks for understanding!
I am a full time hammock'r. I have multiple types and a bridge version from a well known cottage vendor. The Helsdon looks like a neat system and has some nice features. I would probably add it to the collection at some point. Thanks for the review. That said and I have to agree with a few others, to classify anything but this as a "Banana" hammock is not a good description or way to engage with the "hammock community". I would wager if you met some people on a group hang and tried out a high end diagonal lay hammock, you might find that they are very comfortable and do have a flat lay. My top end GE hammocks are all 12' long and wide. Set up is a breeze too. Don't get into the ford vs Chevy debate and enjoy the outdoors !
Hey Tom; Unfortunately I have not tried the Big Guy Bridge, but here are a few thoughts that might be helpful. From what I understand, the design of the hammock part itself is similar to the Helsdon, and it will more-or-less allow you to sleep flat. The big difference is in all the other stuff that comes with the Helsdon. The Helsdon offers a full 360-degree bug net, a removable rain fly that covers the ENTIRE hammock so rain can't come at you sideways in the wind, storage outside of your sleeping area underneath you body and all those features are in ONE UNIT that gets set up in under 60 seconds. Everything is integrated. It's my understanding there are literally NO other hammocks in the world currently that have a full integrated fly (removable), full integrated bug net, integrated exterior storage and designed as a bridge hammock.
Glad it was helpful! I just came back from the Outdoors Show in Toronto, ON this past weekend where I met about 100 people who I helped try the hammock and they almost all wanted to buy it. I don't work for Helsdon nor did I get any payment, but I believe the product!
What fabric Is it ? Looks cheap , also the idea behind hammocking is you can see the world around you especially in a bridge hammock , and that bug net gear storage isn’t going to last long it’s a delicate material , few changes it might be a winner
Nylon waterproof fabric - not cheap. the entire green roof-sides area can be pulled back (with only the 360º bug net around you) if you find it's important for you to observe the world around you during the late evening and night time. I usually put my shoes in the gear storage underneath, and if you're reasonably careful, there's no reason it won't last the life of the entire hammock. I've used it for 2 seasons and it's totally waterproof, bugproof, stores everything off the ground and doesn't show signs of falling apart. My criticism is the size. It's about twice the size of a Eureka Solitaire tent when packed! Thanks for watching!
Sorry about that - thought I did! It's not really an issue. It's as easy as when it's not put together. Just pull up the canopy a bit, put your butt on the edge and lay back! Cheers,
I love many features of this hammock except for the fact that there is no bug net that you can sleep under the stars when the weather is dry! You are forced to sleep with the fly covering you to protect you from bugs. That’s a huge issue for people who like to sleep without a rain fly if it’s dry weather. Secondly many of your statements about traditional hammocks are blatantly false! All the sleeping positions that you showed in this hammock are easily achievable in a traditional hammock when you lie at a 45° angle in the Hammock. You would notice if you actually did proper research. This hammock does have many great features but it’s not that different from a traditional hammock except for the spreader bars, and by the way there are a number of very similar design spreader bar hammocks on the market that pretty much do the same thing. Inside one of them you can even set up on the ground black or traditional tent so you’re getting the best of both worlds if there are no trees around.
Hey Larry; Thanks for the comment. The "blatantly false" statements are a result of my own experience which is no different than someone who consumes coconut oil (like I did) and feels nauseated - will tell people that coconut oil can make people feel sick and it's gross! That statement is true for me, but not for the coconut oil manufacturer who will blame me for "disinformation". Secondly, regarding the only difference being the spreader bars, I could say "that statement is blatantly false!" Because it is! If you take spreader bars and apply them to a traditional hammock, you will get a VERY different animal than the Helsdon design. People assume this is a bridge hammock and it is NOT. It is a Suspension-bridge hammock which is designed very differently - with less material under your torso and more at your head and feet. The way the edges are sown makes it tighter in the middle, which is what holds your body in a flat position - not the spreader bars. The inspiration came from the Millennium Bridge in London. If you look at it carefully, it narrows inward between the "spreader bars". The issue of the bug net is also "blatantly false". REALLY you say? Yes. :) In fact, you can push the interior rain fly down towards your feet, and you are left with 360-degree bug-free zone in the form of a "tent" which is no longer rainproof because 2 large screen panels on each side of your head allow you to look at the Milky Way, North Star and the crescent moon! It was designed to give you a view of the stars. I've had several other people from a hammock forum that ripped into me telling me how little I knew, etc. only to show by their statements that they know nothing of the Helsdon Hammock while telling me all my statements were wrong. I'm publishing your comment because you have a bit of diplomatic decorum which I appreciate, and I believe your critique and my response can be helpful for some of my subscribers. Thanks again for taking the time to write.
This was actually one of my questions/thoughts as well. I've bought an open wooden boat with an engine which I will use to discover the archipelago from Stockholm down to Nyköping (Sweden) during summertime. It doesn't rain much during summer/vacation so what I've been looking at is a hammock with a mosquito bug net and an additional rain tarp. I don't want to sleep in a condom so to speak. Nevertheless I find this design interesting and will for sure evaluate the pros and cons.
Hi! Remember the Larry guy in this thread is basically an activist in the hammock world and doesn't like any new inventions that might be better than what he uses :) Some elderly hammock users are VERY sensitive about hammocks (not sure why) and make rash statements meant to provoke anger from inventors and promotors of newer and better hammock designs. Regarding the bug net situation, the Helsdon DOES have a bug net built into the fly and the panels of mesh are near your head and they are large enough to allow you to see big sections of night sky (or day). True, they are not as big as having no fly at all and using a full bug mesh, but this option is far easier (never have to set up a bug net) and will have fewer problems. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I’d pay more than twice as much, to cut the weight in half. He will eventually make an UL version. They always do. What about water entry from the straps?
Thanks for the interesting review. Where is this hammock manufactured? The overall weight of this system makes it marginal at best for backpacking. The lack of living space under the fly doesn't justify the perceived weight savings. I think it's a product that may be worth a look, but your overall bias due to your lack of backpacking hammocking, overshadows the review unnecessarily. A good hammock tarp is lighter, provides more coverage and living space, and better weather protection than the tarp system presented. While protected, it would be no fun to get out for nature's call during freezing rain. I have a 54 in chest and have no issues with shoulder squeeze in a properly made gathered end hammock, especially an asymmetrical one. I have multiple cottage vendor-made gathered-end hammocks of proper length and get a flat or nearly flat lay in each of them. The "banana" effect generally only happens when not laying transverse properly or when utilizing a hammock that is too short (such as those available in most retail stores). I know of no hammock systems in this price range that don't come with a zip-on or hanging bug net system. Again, the straw-man comparison just doesn't do the rest of this quality presentation of a quality product any real justice. I have three bridge hammocks that I enjoy, including a Townsend that this design remarkably resembles. Each type of hammock has its own merit.
The Helsdon Hammock is made in China (like all other products) but quality controls are strictly governed by Helsdon head office (just like Apple products are made in China, but the quality is superior because the manufacturing process is customized rather than just being standard Chinese factory default quality). The Helsdon is absolutely awful for backpacking! It was never designed for that purpose. It's way too bulky and heavy. It was designed for camping either via car (at an established park) or for canoe wilderness trips or any other decent-sized boat. The hammock has a built-in rainfly, full bug net protection, storage bays at the head section, foot section and outside underneath the bed in the bug net. In fact, it stores my entire week's worth of gear other than my canoe! (no other hammock can make that claim). While other bridge hammocks offer similar features, none has all the Helsdon features. I own several banana hammocks and no matter what angle I use, they simply don't compare with the comfort and "lay-flat" feature of Helsdon. If that were not the case, there would be no need or market for bridge hammocks. I know hammockers are very sensitive to this issue of what hammocks are best and I get enough critical feedback to keep me busy most days. I stand by my assessment of Hammock as being a one-of-a-kind product, but I also acknowledge many decent non-bridge hammocks that suit the needs of outdoors enthusiasts just as well or even better (if they are hikers).
Hi Jason! I'm guessing you mean to insult me and that's okay. You're right in many ways. I've only been using a hammock for just under 10 years and I've only owned 3 different styles (Hennessey, Eno and my Helsdon). That's clearly not as many as some, but I'd say it's more than others. I'm also guessing you don't agree with me and thus, the comment. No worries. I can take it, but I do stand by everything I said in the video, and I've made several more. By the way, no hammock in the world has a built in tarp, bug net, lots of storage inside and outside and can be set up in less than 45 seconds! Cheers,
Absolutely! I'm very familiar with Haven (that's actually my daughter's name!). The Haven is more of a lay-flat hammock with a separate fly over the top. It's not really an actual tent that's suspended and fully protected from both bugs and wind and rain from 360 degrees top to bottom and side to side. There are several lay-flat hammocks on the market, and some of them are quite decent - but none are a fully-enclosed (from all angles) tent. With the Haven, you always have to have a fly set up over top of you for rain/snow/heavy dew protection - not so with the Helsdon. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment!
@@ruggedoutdoorsguide9904 well, I don't wanna argue but the fly is integrated in the setup and fully possible to have closed for a 360 protection. The name even have "tent" in it, so I don't really see the difference anyway 😅 Good video tho 👍
It's engineered structurally different than the Haven. The Haven is a rectangular box with detached, separate fly. The Helsdon is a suspension bridge-style hammock with fundamentally different sides and bottoms with varying widths and varying fabric tightness in key areas for support - with a built-in rain fly, storage and bug net. Loosely, they attempt to accomplish the same thing, but they are so different, that Helsdon officially received a patent for design. Thanks for the comment! cheers,
Hey Don; I appreciate the comment, but when you say I haven't been doing it right, I'm guessing you mean I don't sleep "diagonally"? right. It seems all my haters are using the same, tired criticism ("critique") :) Full disclosure - I own a banana hammock, and I can tell you two things from my experience. Sleeping diagonally does not help very much. That is for sure. Secondly, every photo I see (even on hammock websites) shows people sleeping or laying in the banana position, and only a few actually show the diagonal position. Thanks for watching!
@@ruggedoutdoorsguide9904, What is the "banana hammock" that you own? ENO? How long is it? I've got a strong feeling that you are using a hammock that isn't sized properly, and thus having issues...like someone saying that shoes are actually designed to crush a humans foot, only to find out that they are trying to use a size 8 shoe on a size 11 foot. A simple "rule of thumb" for sizing a hammock...multiply your height by 2, that is a ballpark "ideal" length of hammock for your body. And wider hammocks are not actually for holding more people, it's for accommodating wider people and generally making it even easier to get a comfortable lay. And fyi...a tarp/fly does not change the tree spacing unless you are using an excessively large tarp/fly. Centering it is super-simple & quick with a CRL (continuous ridgeline) on the tarp. Major advantages of a separate tarp/fly...can be set up before ANYTHING else, can be the very LAST thing you take down (think about setting up and breaking camp in a downpour), provides a protected area OUTSIDE of the hammock, provides shade while allowing massive amount of airflow.
It's a brand I bought a few years ago from Costco that's nearly identical to this one - www.costco.ca/hidden-wild-double-travel-hammock.product.100796155.html. It's true that I don't have the experience with hammocks as you likely do, so I won't claim to be more knowledgeable. I can say that my first time setting up the Helsdon Hammock took me 90 seconds b/c I really couldn't figure out the buckle system right away, but I can do it now in just under 45 seconds (including the assembly of 2 support posts). Not that speed is everything, but I'm guessing there are very few other hammocks that can boast that speed (especially when you have to include a separate tarp, bug net and underquilt. It's the perfect hammock in a downpour since setup takes less time than it would take to get wet enough to matter! Cheers,
@@ruggedoutdoorsguide9904 That costco hammock is junk and less than 10 feet. no wonder you slept bad. I do appreciate your review and it looks like an excellent car camping hammock. I personally wouldn't want to backpack with it , because of the weight, volume and I don't believe it would keep you warm in cold weather. However it does have some nice features also as you mentioned
Ah, yes, I was warned by a member of the "hammock community" that this topic of hammocks is VERY controversial and those in the community are VERY SENSITIVE to any criticism. Well, fortunately for me, I am not apologetic for my criticisms and compliments. Why? Because it's MY OPINION, just like your opinion is YOUR OPINION. Ain't it great we can all have our own???
I made my own bridge hammock, double layer also and with special webbing "pockets" and loops to insert my trekking poles as spreader bars. Just the hammock is 414 grams; currently working on lighter dyneema suspension and I will get inspiration from this setup for my tarp😁
Pretty cool! Thanks for the feedback!
I have two.
I bit heavy for backpacking but still justifiable.
Super quick and easy set-up.
Warm, stable, comfortable and storm worthy.
Give the fly a good spray with silicone every other year or so.
I mostly use this hammock for motorcycle camping.
Right on. I likely wouldn't use it for hiking or bicycling, but THAT'S IT! For motorbike, car, canoe, kayak and anything else I can think of, it's perfect for sure!
All of us hammockers know you lay diagnol, and not like a banana 😂😂
Thanks Diva! You are correct, but laying diagonally does not eliminate the "banana" shape to which your body will naturally want to mold, though it may minimize it a bit when you're on your back. In addition, I would challenge you to lay flat on your stomach! I'm not trying to diss regular hammocks, I'm just looking for the best option on the market! Thanks for commenting!
@@ruggedoutdoorsguide9904 As a full time hammock sleeper I can tell you the right length hammock makes all the difference in the world. I sleep full time at home in a home made 11.5 foot x 71.5 inch hammock and every so often do lay in it on my stomach without issue.
Thanks DJ. You might be right, however, here's what I can tell you (and unfortunately, it directly cancels out your statement): I am a light sleeper and cannot sleep on my back. I have tried dozens of hammocks and even laying diagonally, it's impossible to lay on my stomach. The hammock is a sling! The suspension-bridge style hammock is the only style that allows me to sleep on my stomach (and even then it's a bit uncomfortable), so I'm not sure what style of magic hammock you're using, but I'll guarantee you that if it's not a bridged hammock or a hammock with a flat board in it, I would not be able to sleep on my stomach in it - but I can with the Helsdon! Thanks for watching!
"diagnol" 😂😂
Some of the straight cut hammocks I tried don't really let you lay on a diagonal. Others are cut asymmetrical so that you *can* lay diagonally.
Love this hammock! Have slept in one for a weekend, and had the best sleep ever on a kayaking trip. Great that you have "your own space" even in a large group and it was so comfortable, and I could keep things together in my space.
Totally agree! It offers several features that no other hammocks can!
Love this hammock, I took it three times to Guyana SA and it kept the bugs and rain out very well and very comfortable to sleep in .I LOVE IT
Thanks for sharing! I've had some negative feedback from "hammock people" who say virtually everything is BAD about this hammock - can't see the sky, too heavy, it's a knock-off, all other saggy hammocks are just as supportive if you sleep on an angle, etc. All of their arguments are bogus - I appreciate your actual honesty. Thanks for watching.
Excellent review of this hammock tent. I have one, in fact I loved it so much I became the Australian Distributor! I started hammocking in a superbly made Tier Gear Goshawk gathered end asymmetric (banana) hammock but the sleep in the Helsdon is far superior. It is the quickest and simplest hammock to set up and I've set up a few! I also have the Haven XL which is a great unit but the Helsdon beats it for better sleep, ease of setup and take down and is fractionally lighter with more options for the mat (I use a closed cell foam mat, $10 from K-Mart). I also set it up with a tarp overhead to give me a porch to sit and cook under. It isn't as light as many tents but it keeps me off the ground and is much better to get in and out of at my age and health.
Well said. Only after I did this review did I realize that the world of hammocking can be very mean, unforgiving and controversial with lots of banana-style hammock "experts" spitting vitriol at me for not realizing that sleeping diagonally somehow makes banana hammocks "lay flat" (which is not true at all and if it was, who wants to always lay diagonally and still be smothered on the sides by the edges of the material?). The Helsdon is virtually a one-of-a-kind hammock that is criticized by those who don't have one. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@ruggedoutdoorsguide9904 I also liked and subbed! Yes I lie diagonally in the Goshawk but it is nothing compared to the Helsdon. I should say I laid... past tense. Wanna buy a Goshawk hammock?
I have used this hammock, as Eureka Chrysalis Hammock and have talked with Dave over the years a few times. FYI his home number was listed on Eureka contact information 😂. Few things to note: this hammock isn't light, like other bridge or standard hammocks with diagonal lay, a bit heavier than the rest. Canadian weather can be tricky from dry to humid in a day and the "fly" on this hammock while it provides protection from rain it also keeps moisture in, there will be plenty of condensation on the inside. One way to mitigate this problem is to stretch a tarp, silpoly or nylonpoly over the hammock and leave the windows open. I slept in this hammock near water on fishing trips in various conditions, including freezing weather and a tarp is a necessity. Also, the weight rating is a little conservative : I've had myself and contents of my backpack inside of this hammock no problem, some 300lb put together. There is however one thing this hammock lacks: underquilt. Even with good thermarest insulated pad tucked under isn't going to protect you from winter temps. A down filled underquilt is necessary and those unfortunately are hard to find for bridge hammocks, simply because of the shape of them. Otherwise I'd recommend this hammock for a weekend warrior in mild, warm weather.
I appreciate the insight of one who has used this more than I have. Thanks for sharing!
Do you use a version with the large rectangular windows on the sides and a double layer tent fabric? Earlier versions with a single layer tent and a smaller hole for ventilation could cause some condensation, but our own experience, as well as feedback from customers, is that condensation is minimal with the latest model.
You are absolutely right that the weight limit is a little conservative. We are evaluating this as we speak and are working with our manufacturer to specify the strength of all components (webbing, fabric, buckles, carabiners) to come up with a weight limit that is grounded in reality rather than fear of US law suits.
I use the Helsdon Hammock in -20 C (-4 F) without an under quilt. I don't even own an under quilt. I use double sleeping pads in the winter, with a total R value of 4.5. That keeps me warm and comfortable during really cold winter nights here in Sweden.
I have a -5C down under quilt by Alton that cost me $370 and I am selling it as it doesn't fit my Helsdon... plus I don;t need it. I've used a $10 closed cell foam mat down to 0C and below that I would throw in my R4 Trekology. I might even just slip the underquilt into the sleeve and see if that works. But that's months away. Our summer gets hot, often over 40C so I plan to use a tarp and separate bug net, leaving the inner and outer flys off for better insulation.
Well, idk how this comment section became a hate center but it's certainly not called for... Diagonal lay hammock come about and suddenly everyone's a fucking expert 😂
Diagonal is good but mostly for summer or at-home setups, in colder weather more lightweight setups it's pretty much necessary to lay 'straight'.
There's a ton of different hammocks out there: bridge, there's double layer, diagonal-lay, tent hybrids etc. You can even get them with integrated or separate mosquito nets, with/out Ridgeline, with/out underquilts... Oof that's a mouthful! Anyway there's pros and cons of all of them, no point in arguing over that.
All I know is this one is rather innovative, there's a bunch of features that were mentioned here and load more that Helsdon explains in his channel, and then there's secret design features that you wouldn't normally hear, like the fact that this is NOT a bridge hammock, it's an improvement upon that idea, which I won't explain for the sake of confidentiality.
This is also the first one I've seen where you've a good way to store your things both in and outside the hammock.
2 minutes to set up camp is almost unheard of in the camping world, so quit blabbering and appreciate the awesomeness of this hammock!
Great video! I like your content and how it's organized. Very well thought out. Your energy is a joy to watch, don't let the critics pull you down. (thought some timestamps might be worth it?)
And you jawline... Dude it's emasculating just looking at someone some much more manly looking 😂
I appreciate your insight and feedback. I think if anyone takes the time to review it, you can actually help viewers of my channel. Thanks again for your participation and comments!
Great review Pete! This looks to be the perfect camping solution for my forthcoming canoe adventures. I hopefully have a Wenonah Solo Plus in Innegra Black Ultralight finally arriving down-under very soon after a 9 month wait. I have just sent an email to the team at Helsdon asking if they can ship their hammocks to Australia… so hope you are on commission! Love your work. Please keep sharing as I have picked up some great insights from The Rugged Outdoors Guide videos and blogs.
Hey Spike! Great to hear! Unfortunately, Helsdon does not have a Canadian commission sharing program. Just tell 'em you heard of them from Pete's Rugged Outdoors RUclips channel and that should put a fire under their butts! Thanks my friend!
Aside from some weight savings I don't see why anyone would get this monstrosity over the Haven Hammock Tent. Haven obviously didn't invent the bridge hammock but they improved the original bridge design idea so that it becomes applicable for ordinary people. Great video btw
Hey Roman; Thanks for the comment. A couple of observations: The price of the Haven is similar to the Helsdon so no big difference on that front. Aside from that, the Helsdon has more storage space and has a 360 degree bug net that automatically deploys when you zip yourself in for the night. Also, because of the Helsdon's design, it sets up in under 60 seconds (and that's not trying to do it in a hurry - it's just that easy working at a normal pace). No need for rain fly setup - it's built in. No need for storage outside or under the canoe - it's built right in. No need for a bug net - it's built right in. That's why this tent (IMO) beats the Haven easily. However, we all have our own takes on things so I live and let live!
@@ruggedoutdoorsguide9904The Haven has an integrated bugnet and the rainfly can stay permanently attached. I'm currently testing it in heavy rain with 90% humidity yet no condensation issues so far.
On the Helsdon it looks like as if you're basically laying in a straight rift whereas the Haven gives me a nearly perfectly even sleeping surface due to the semi integrated sleeping pad.
Hi from the uk. You noted that it has 360 degree bug protection but what stops bugs from getting in the massive ventilation hole on the top of the inner fly? Surely bugs can get between the fly sheets and through that hole?
Thanks for the question! In the video, you'll see the inner rain fly with those vent holes you mention along the ridgeline. Without the final layer (which is already attached by default, so no need to attach like I did for the review) it's not bug-proof. But if you don't mess with it and peel back layers, then the top layer keeps all bugs out. It also keeps rain out except for the vent holes you see beside my head in the thumbnail. The only reason the inner rain fly exists is to protect from rain coming through the large, square vent hole in the outer layer. Cheers,
Hi Pete.That is certainly a hammock that has been thought about.and the weight is not a problem for me because I only do canoe camping.keep on making these kind of videos.
Right on! Great to hear from you friend!
Excellent review
Thank you kindly
Interesting. It may have all these features, but it likely doesn't suit my usage. I would love to try one out, but I just bought my 9th hammock werks ago. Perhaps when I get my next contract or J.O.B.
Waves from Atlantic Canada.
Fair enough! Thanks for watching and for the feedback! Cheers,
Anybody else that has bought the hammock that has issues with smell? Mine really has this very strong chemical smell. I have had it outside to air out, but it still smells very strong, like it itches in my throat. I have just been inside it for 10 min, and the food I ate after, all day, had a chemical taste to it. Like from paint. The hammock is made in China, not in Canada. Invented and manufactured in Canada it says, but it is made in China.
Hey! I have been around dozens of Helsdon Hammocks (new ones at a tradeshow and on display) and if I include those and the one I own, I have never had any odours at all - even when brand new. If you really have a chemical smell that is overwhelming, I'd contact Helsdon with that issue and explain as best you can. That's a problem I've never experienced.
What about the warbonnet ridgerunner? I slept on my side and stomach in that one , and my opeango tree tent hammock, and they are way nicer 😂
No worries! That's why we have choice. Have you tried the Helsdon Hammock? Ridgerunner is $130, while Helsdon is closer to $400. The difference is quite substantial. The Helsdon is incredibly tough, and it's a tent in the air. It's also a mosquito-protective environment and it's a huge storage unit so that none of your gear (other than maybe your big dry bag) has to be on the ground. It's all suspended in the hammock. Plus, you can pack 2 large backpacks inside the hammock near your head and your feet. I don't think it's a fair comparison between the two, but admittedly, they both are hammocks! :) As far as Opeongo, they look nice, that's for sure. However, I doubt they can be set up in 45 seconds from fully packed, to sleepable condition. Thanks for the feedback! Cheers,
Wondering if your pad would slip around if you laid it inside. Just converted to top quilts and I need to clip onto the pad.
There's a "sleeve" for your pad built in. It sits under the main part of the hammock and if you put any pad in that sleeve, you're pretty much insulated from the outside breezes from underneath.
I just got one and I am looking forward to be camping with it! Thanks for the great review and sharing all the information! I am definitely subscribing to your channel!
Cheers!
Glad it was helpful! Your comments are always appreciated Roberto!
What is the difference between the latest one that Eureka offered and the latest one from Helsdon? I just purchased one from Eureka before seeing this video.
EXCELLENT QUESTION! I know Dave Helsdon has lots to say on this matter, and I know he's tweaking and upgrading every single year to make it one step better than it was last year. For the best answer, I would go to www.helsdonoutdoors.com/ and then contact Dave via the email link. One of his team should be able to give you a complete answer. If you don't get an answer within a few days, let me know and I'll give you the breakdown as best I can.
The rain fly are different. Helsdon has two, and the eureka one doesn't, so Helsdon's design is way better with condensation.
Well, Amok Draumr and Haven tent would be other options for flat sleep. for me it looks just like a bridge hammock.
Yes, it's a bridge hammock but it's a hammock with a 100% bug and rain coverage from 360 degrees from side wind/rain/bugs, etc. You're 100 encircled with a tent unless you choose to take the tent off. Most other bridge hammocks have only a bug net for the top (so it's possible to get mosquito bites on your back if you lay directly on the hammock bed. Also, most bridge hammocks have only a separate fly hung on its own above you to keep you dry from rain, and it better not be windy and rainy or you'll get wet. The Helsdon will keep you dry even if the rain is falling sideways and you only need two anchor points (trees) for the whole setup - no separate fly. In fact, I've set up the entire hammock with mosquito net, rain fly, etc. in less than 30 seconds. No other bridge hammock is quite like this one on many points, but otherwise, yes, the bed itself is engineered like a bridge hammock. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Ordered! Shipping tomorrow! Can't wait! :)
Do you think I could use the bag to hang my food in a tree?
You probably could, but it won't hold too much and it offers no protection or deterrence. It may be an added cost, but I would suggest getting a basic plastic food barrel (so no worries of wet food or odours). For what it's worth, I'm a fan of not hanging food. Cliff Jacobson has written about this often and I agree with him. Here's another article that might help: andrewskurka.com/argument-against-hanging-bear-bag/.
Thanks for commenting and I know you'll love the Helsdon.
Canadian made ...love it! I have the American made Haven 🤣 🇨🇦🇺🇲💕🌲🏕️
Yup - love the Canadian angle!
I like the warbonnet ridgerunner better
One problem I see with the tarp set up is that it is so low that you will have squat on the ground to try and stay dry if it is raining.
Hey Greg; I'm not sure what you mean exactly. The unit does not include a tarp - only a tent with an "interior" fly. The whole hammock (in this video) was too high when I tightened the main strap so I had to lower it in order to actually get into it for the review. At any rate, I appreciate your watching and your engagement.
Yeah i get what you mean. I am worried this might not be the best hammock to setup when it's raining. It's super fast to deploy, Helsdon himself does it in 2 minutes, but a normal tarp setup is generally in that case because you can set up the tarp and be sheltered from the incoming rain while you set up the rest of the stuff like the hammock and such.
@@pedroclaro7822 So set up your tarp then set up the hammock under the shelter the tarp offers and it never gets wet. When you break camp you roll up the hammock while still one end attached (see my video) and then with everything in your pack, still dry and covered, you can quickly stash the wet tarp in a bag or outer pocket of the pack and away you go. The hammock tent should be just high enough so you can sit on the edge and your feet touch the floor; the tarp can be up as high as you can reach for more venitlation and headroom. Done the smart way the hammock never touches the ground, never gets wet and your pack can be stored inside and kept dry, too. The wet rain cover of the pack can be stored under the hammock in the bug net (I leave the hammock bag there).
Please have a look at the Warbonnet Ridgerunner. You'll. Find that amingstvthe hammock community it's generally viewed as the bestvbridge hammock ever. Having had a Eureka Chrysalis ( this hammocks original. Name) I can assure you the Ridgerunner is better in every way. Lighter, bigger, stronger etc. I have tried just about every bridge hammock out there. The Ridgerunner, combined with the spindrift sock ( tent) over it,, is by a very long way the best. Second is the Amok Draumr. Another superb bridge hammock.
Great review, but I think you will. Loooooove the Warbonnet Ridgerunner.
All the best from Wales.
The website for the Ridgerunner did not impress me. I couldn't get a look at the fly (is it integrated?) or storage space (is it integrated?) or bug net (is it integrated?) or how it's attached to the trees, or a look on the inside with videos, etc. It looks inferior and less beefy and substantial than Helsdon, but admittedly, I have not tried the Warbonnet product so I can't really comment too much. I'll let the community comment ! Thanks for taking the time to write and perhaps it'll get someone thinking! Cheers,
sweet vid man, wasnt aware about the weight and the size of the package when packed up. but im willing to carry that, im a side sleeper. cheers for the great vid!
Right on. Always great to hear encouragement. Unfortunately on this video, lots of haters love to leave messages telling me how much better regular, saggy hammocks are and how sleeping on an angle can make them lay flat. HOGWASH! But hey, any comments are better than no comments. Thanks for watching!
Hello Good People (and others)! There seems to be a small but vocal group of "Haters" in the hammock community with very little tact, and no grace (who take hammocks WAY too seriously). Fortunately, for my valued viewers and supporters, I will not display your vitriol or give validation to your self-righteous assertion that you apparently know everything about hammocks, and that I know nothing. If we can all learn to apply a little bit of diplomacy and grace in our comment-writing style, maybe the comments can be useful to others and they may show publically on my RUclips channel. Until then, I won't suffer my subscribers to read hateful and unhelpful comments. Thanks for understanding!
I am a full time hammock'r. I have multiple types and a bridge version from a well known cottage vendor. The Helsdon looks like a neat system and has some nice features. I would probably add it to the collection at some point. Thanks for the review. That said and I have to agree with a few others, to classify anything but this as a "Banana" hammock is not a good description or way to engage with the "hammock community". I would wager if you met some people on a group hang and tried out a high end diagonal lay hammock, you might find that they are very comfortable and do have a flat lay. My top end GE hammocks are all 12' long and wide. Set up is a breeze too. Don't get into the ford vs Chevy debate and enjoy the outdoors !
How does it compare to a Townsend Big Guy Bridge hammock?
Hey Tom; Unfortunately I have not tried the Big Guy Bridge, but here are a few thoughts that might be helpful. From what I understand, the design of the hammock part itself is similar to the Helsdon, and it will more-or-less allow you to sleep flat. The big difference is in all the other stuff that comes with the Helsdon. The Helsdon offers a full 360-degree bug net, a removable rain fly that covers the ENTIRE hammock so rain can't come at you sideways in the wind, storage outside of your sleeping area underneath you body and all those features are in ONE UNIT that gets set up in under 60 seconds. Everything is integrated. It's my understanding there are literally NO other hammocks in the world currently that have a full integrated fly (removable), full integrated bug net, integrated exterior storage and designed as a bridge hammock.
Love mine. Great design
Right on!
Thank you for this review! Super interested in checking these out.
Glad it was helpful! I just came back from the Outdoors Show in Toronto, ON this past weekend where I met about 100 people who I helped try the hammock and they almost all wanted to buy it. I don't work for Helsdon nor did I get any payment, but I believe the product!
Immo buy dat. Well worth the money.
Agreed!
What fabric Is it ? Looks cheap , also the idea behind hammocking is you can see the world around you especially in a bridge hammock , and that bug net gear storage isn’t going to last long it’s a delicate material , few changes it might be a winner
Nylon waterproof fabric - not cheap. the entire green roof-sides area can be pulled back (with only the 360º bug net around you) if you find it's important for you to observe the world around you during the late evening and night time. I usually put my shoes in the gear storage underneath, and if you're reasonably careful, there's no reason it won't last the life of the entire hammock. I've used it for 2 seasons and it's totally waterproof, bugproof, stores everything off the ground and doesn't show signs of falling apart. My criticism is the size. It's about twice the size of a Eureka Solitaire tent when packed! Thanks for watching!
Show us how easy it is to get in and out off
When it’s all put together that is
Sorry about that - thought I did! It's not really an issue. It's as easy as when it's not put together. Just pull up the canopy a bit, put your butt on the edge and lay back! Cheers,
I love many features of this hammock except for the fact that there is no bug net that you can sleep under the stars when the weather is dry! You are forced to sleep with the fly covering you to protect you from bugs. That’s a huge issue for people who like to sleep without a rain fly if it’s dry weather. Secondly many of your statements about traditional hammocks are blatantly false! All the sleeping positions that you showed in this hammock are easily achievable in a traditional hammock when you lie at a 45° angle in the Hammock. You would notice if you actually did proper research. This hammock does have many great features but it’s not that different from a traditional hammock except for the spreader bars, and by the way there are a number of very similar design spreader bar hammocks on the market that pretty much do the same thing. Inside one of them you can even set up on the ground black or traditional tent so you’re getting the best of both worlds if there are no trees around.
Hey Larry; Thanks for the comment. The "blatantly false" statements are a result of my own experience which is no different than someone who consumes coconut oil (like I did) and feels nauseated - will tell people that coconut oil can make people feel sick and it's gross! That statement is true for me, but not for the coconut oil manufacturer who will blame me for "disinformation". Secondly, regarding the only difference being the spreader bars, I could say "that statement is blatantly false!" Because it is! If you take spreader bars and apply them to a traditional hammock, you will get a VERY different animal than the Helsdon design. People assume this is a bridge hammock and it is NOT. It is a Suspension-bridge hammock which is designed very differently - with less material under your torso and more at your head and feet. The way the edges are sown makes it tighter in the middle, which is what holds your body in a flat position - not the spreader bars. The inspiration came from the Millennium Bridge in London. If you look at it carefully, it narrows inward between the "spreader bars". The issue of the bug net is also "blatantly false". REALLY you say? Yes. :) In fact, you can push the interior rain fly down towards your feet, and you are left with 360-degree bug-free zone in the form of a "tent" which is no longer rainproof because 2 large screen panels on each side of your head allow you to look at the Milky Way, North Star and the crescent moon! It was designed to give you a view of the stars. I've had several other people from a hammock forum that ripped into me telling me how little I knew, etc. only to show by their statements that they know nothing of the Helsdon Hammock while telling me all my statements were wrong. I'm publishing your comment because you have a bit of diplomatic decorum which I appreciate, and I believe your critique and my response can be helpful for some of my subscribers. Thanks again for taking the time to write.
This was actually one of my questions/thoughts as well. I've bought an open wooden boat with an engine which I will use to discover the archipelago from Stockholm down to Nyköping (Sweden) during summertime. It doesn't rain much during summer/vacation so what I've been looking at is a hammock with a mosquito bug net and an additional rain tarp. I don't want to sleep in a condom so to speak. Nevertheless I find this design interesting and will for sure evaluate the pros and cons.
Hi! Remember the Larry guy in this thread is basically an activist in the hammock world and doesn't like any new inventions that might be better than what he uses :) Some elderly hammock users are VERY sensitive about hammocks (not sure why) and make rash statements meant to provoke anger from inventors and promotors of newer and better hammock designs. Regarding the bug net situation, the Helsdon DOES have a bug net built into the fly and the panels of mesh are near your head and they are large enough to allow you to see big sections of night sky (or day). True, they are not as big as having no fly at all and using a full bug mesh, but this option is far easier (never have to set up a bug net) and will have fewer problems. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I’d pay more than twice as much, to cut the weight in half. He will eventually make an UL version. They always do.
What about water entry from the straps?
Maybe!
Thanks for the interesting review. Where is this hammock manufactured? The overall weight of this system makes it marginal at best for backpacking. The lack of living space under the fly doesn't justify the perceived weight savings. I think it's a product that may be worth a look, but your overall bias due to your lack of backpacking hammocking, overshadows the review unnecessarily. A good hammock tarp is lighter, provides more coverage and living space, and better weather protection than the tarp system presented. While protected, it would be no fun to get out for nature's call during freezing rain. I have a 54 in chest and have no issues with shoulder squeeze in a properly made gathered end hammock, especially an asymmetrical one. I have multiple cottage vendor-made gathered-end hammocks of proper length and get a flat or nearly flat lay in each of them. The "banana" effect generally only happens when not laying transverse properly or when utilizing a hammock that is too short (such as those available in most retail stores). I know of no hammock systems in this price range that don't come with a zip-on or hanging bug net system. Again, the straw-man comparison just doesn't do the rest of this quality presentation of a quality product any real justice. I have three bridge hammocks that I enjoy, including a Townsend that this design remarkably resembles. Each type of hammock has its own merit.
The Helsdon Hammock is made in China (like all other products) but quality controls are strictly governed by Helsdon head office (just like Apple products are made in China, but the quality is superior because the manufacturing process is customized rather than just being standard Chinese factory default quality). The Helsdon is absolutely awful for backpacking! It was never designed for that purpose. It's way too bulky and heavy. It was designed for camping either via car (at an established park) or for canoe wilderness trips or any other decent-sized boat. The hammock has a built-in rainfly, full bug net protection, storage bays at the head section, foot section and outside underneath the bed in the bug net. In fact, it stores my entire week's worth of gear other than my canoe! (no other hammock can make that claim). While other bridge hammocks offer similar features, none has all the Helsdon features. I own several banana hammocks and no matter what angle I use, they simply don't compare with the comfort and "lay-flat" feature of Helsdon. If that were not the case, there would be no need or market for bridge hammocks. I know hammockers are very sensitive to this issue of what hammocks are best and I get enough critical feedback to keep me busy most days. I stand by my assessment of Hammock as being a one-of-a-kind product, but I also acknowledge many decent non-bridge hammocks that suit the needs of outdoors enthusiasts just as well or even better (if they are hikers).
It would be nice if you had real hammock experience.
Hi Jason! I'm guessing you mean to insult me and that's okay. You're right in many ways. I've only been using a hammock for just under 10 years and I've only owned 3 different styles (Hennessey, Eno and my Helsdon). That's clearly not as many as some, but I'd say it's more than others. I'm also guessing you don't agree with me and thus, the comment. No worries. I can take it, but I do stand by everything I said in the video, and I've made several more. By the way, no hammock in the world has a built in tarp, bug net, lots of storage inside and outside and can be set up in less than 45 seconds! Cheers,
Not the only. Never heard of haven tent?
Absolutely! I'm very familiar with Haven (that's actually my daughter's name!). The Haven is more of a lay-flat hammock with a separate fly over the top. It's not really an actual tent that's suspended and fully protected from both bugs and wind and rain from 360 degrees top to bottom and side to side. There are several lay-flat hammocks on the market, and some of them are quite decent - but none are a fully-enclosed (from all angles) tent. With the Haven, you always have to have a fly set up over top of you for rain/snow/heavy dew protection - not so with the Helsdon. Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment!
@@ruggedoutdoorsguide9904 well, I don't wanna argue but the fly is integrated in the setup and fully possible to have closed for a 360 protection. The name even have "tent" in it, so I don't really see the difference anyway 😅
Good video tho 👍
It seems like it more or less is a copy of the original Haven hammock without an air mattress
It's engineered structurally different than the Haven. The Haven is a rectangular box with detached, separate fly. The Helsdon is a suspension bridge-style hammock with fundamentally different sides and bottoms with varying widths and varying fabric tightness in key areas for support - with a built-in rain fly, storage and bug net. Loosely, they attempt to accomplish the same thing, but they are so different, that Helsdon officially received a patent for design. Thanks for the comment! cheers,
You keep saying banana hammock as proof you haven’t been doing it right.
Hey Don; I appreciate the comment, but when you say I haven't been doing it right, I'm guessing you mean I don't sleep "diagonally"? right. It seems all my haters are using the same, tired criticism ("critique") :) Full disclosure - I own a banana hammock, and I can tell you two things from my experience. Sleeping diagonally does not help very much. That is for sure. Secondly, every photo I see (even on hammock websites) shows people sleeping or laying in the banana position, and only a few actually show the diagonal position. Thanks for watching!
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What is the "banana hammock" that you own? ENO? How long is it? I've got a strong feeling that you are using a hammock that isn't sized properly, and thus having issues...like someone saying that shoes are actually designed to crush a humans foot, only to find out that they are trying to use a size 8 shoe on a size 11 foot. A simple "rule of thumb" for sizing a hammock...multiply your height by 2, that is a ballpark "ideal" length of hammock for your body. And wider hammocks are not actually for holding more people, it's for accommodating wider people and generally making it even easier to get a comfortable lay. And fyi...a tarp/fly does not change the tree spacing unless you are using an excessively large tarp/fly. Centering it is super-simple & quick with a CRL (continuous ridgeline) on the tarp. Major advantages of a separate tarp/fly...can be set up before ANYTHING else, can be the very LAST thing you take down (think about setting up and breaking camp in a downpour), provides a protected area OUTSIDE of the hammock, provides shade while allowing massive amount of airflow.
It's a brand I bought a few years ago from Costco that's nearly identical to this one - www.costco.ca/hidden-wild-double-travel-hammock.product.100796155.html.
It's true that I don't have the experience with hammocks as you likely do, so I won't claim to be more knowledgeable. I can say that my first time setting up the Helsdon Hammock took me 90 seconds b/c I really couldn't figure out the buckle system right away, but I can do it now in just under 45 seconds (including the assembly of 2 support posts). Not that speed is everything, but I'm guessing there are very few other hammocks that can boast that speed (especially when you have to include a separate tarp, bug net and underquilt. It's the perfect hammock in a downpour since setup takes less time than it would take to get wet enough to matter! Cheers,
@@ruggedoutdoorsguide9904 That costco hammock is junk and less than 10 feet. no wonder you slept bad. I do appreciate your review and it looks like an excellent car camping hammock. I personally wouldn't want to backpack with it , because of the weight, volume and I don't believe it would keep you warm in cold weather. However it does have some nice features also as you mentioned