Should You Buy HD Retrovision RGB Component Video Cables for the Model 1 & Model 2 Sega Genesis
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- In this video, we're going to test out the HD Retrovision component video cables for the Sega Genesis Model 1, Model 2 and more.
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I admit that I really enjoy playing retro games on clone hardware. They are often less expensive than the original systems, plus feature HDMI outputs for easier connections to your television. This makes it really convenient to bring your past gaming experiences into the present and, if you get the right system, they look darn good. However anytime I post videos on clone consoles there's always the wave of people who poo-poo clones for various reasons. Some feel that unless you're playing on original hardware you're wasting your time. I've not listened to this because the original hardware didn't provide sharp enough pictures. However, thanks to HD Retrovision you can now connect your classic Genesis system to your modern TV via RGB Component Cables. Business is about to pick up!
Before connecting to my TV I performed the test HD Retrovision recommends on their site for compatibility. Unfortunately, my capture card and Element TV failed the test, however, my Samsung 4K Ultra HD TV passed with flying colors. With this knowledge I knew there was one solution I needed, I needed an OSSC to upscale for capturing. Well poop.
I got everything connected and powered on my Model 1 Genesis and man, I was floored. From the first test of Sonic the Hedgehog, the graphics quality was stunning. The sharpness and vibrancy of the colors were stunning, better than I ever expected out of original hardware. I've played games on the Genesis model 1 and 2, Sega CD and even the 32X and everything is just amazingly sharp. I did notice a significant improvement in audio quality when using the headphone jack on the Model 1, and the audio on the Model 1 was higher quality, deeper bass and cleaner overall than the Model 2. Best of all using original hardware means no compatibility issues!
Why it RoX:
- $60 price makes a low barrier to entry
- Amazing audio and video output
- Zero Lag or Latency
- Heavy-duty cables
- Gold plated RCA jacks
- In-line brightness switch
- Makes original hardware worth dusting off
What could be improved:
- No upscaling limits some TV's compatibility
- While $60 is a great price you can get an HDMI SNES Clone for less
- Some newer TVs do not support component video any longer
Should you buy them?
This is pretty much a no-brainer to me if you have a Sega Genesis, Sega CD or 32X you really need to invest in these cables. I was really impressed from the get-go how sharp everything looked and shocked to hear the audio differences between the Model 1 and 2 Genesis systems. It really drove home how much better the Model 1 is than the successor. As long as your TV passes the 240P test I would say there's little reason not to buy these. They're amazing!
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Just the demonstration of testing your TV's compatibility really eased my worries. Thank you!
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Regarding the blue borders on the Megadrive/Genesis you can get rid of them just fine using the settings of the OSSC. Simply go to the “Post-proc.” settings and adjust the “Vertical” and/or “Horizontal mask”. If the mask isn’t black then simply adjust “Mask bightness” to 0/zero.
The number of lines of mask that you need to input might depend on whether you’re using general or optimal settings (under "Output opt.") as well as how many line multiplications you’re running (2x, 3x etc.) on your specific TV.
Don’t forget to save the profile after changing anything or you’ll need to perform these steps every time you change profile.
Thank you, someone else had posted some Genesis ossc settings earlier, I just need to implement it.
Cables cost more than the console? 😥
I know right?? That's fucking insane.
2 corrections, for the 240p test do NOT USE the red and white plugs on the av cables to plug into the blue and red component jacks. Use a seperate cable from the one you plug the yellow plug into. Second, you CAN use sonic the hedgehog for the test. You just can't use Sonic2.
Thoughts that's what I said/implied. Thought I described it the same way as in the SNES Cables video. The video shows 2 separate cables for the test.
Thought it was Sonic, thanks for the clarification.
These cables look amazing on a mid 2000’s 4:3 LCD tv
i hope HD Retrovision is still making these, I just got a Genesis and I'd like a better way too hook it up to my CRT (which has a component input)
They are! Keep an eye on CastlemaniaGames.com for restocks!
They are in stock right now, mine came in on Saturday and they're fantastic.
I love mine, these guys do amazing work!
Find a crt with component I have one n used snes looked great even tho I didn’t have a 1chip model
You're not wrong, but I'm not A CRT fan and frankly never want to own one again
@@RoXolid really? huh thats not very common to hear in the retro game community. i suppose they do have there fair share of problems but i really dont like the pixelated look on a hdtv. id be interested in knowing what it is in particular that you dont like about them.
So one of my biggest issues with CRTs is I just don't have the room for them. They are so massive, throw off a ton of heat, and getting component input on a consumer grade TV can be very challenging. I also don't care for the scan line look, I want clean Sharp pixels. CRTs are one of those things where I am very happy if I will never own another one.
@@RoXolid my crt is small with component n s video
I don't want to play on a small TV.
I still don't understand this cable in comparison with the scart rgb cable...I would like to see a picture comparison
I'd like to add. There is the new RetroTink 2x scaler that will take 240p component in and put out a 480p signal via HDMI.
correct, I actually have one of those on pre-order right now through CastleMania games.com and will be reviewing it once they come out.
It really looks sweet
It plays amazingly
Love the bloopers!!! BEWBS!!!!!
This channel is great! Now let me know something, If you have to choose between the OSSC in a Led, or rca (or rgb) cables in a CRT, which one would you choose? And why?
Thanks for this video. I thought these cables were over $100. At $60 I might look into these some time in the future. I clicked your link and unfortunately they're out of stock.
They are right now. I'd suggest following @HDRetrovision on Twitter for updates regarding stock status.
$60 for a cable they have maybe $4-$5 in? No thank you.
How do you know how much it costs to make?
It's more than a $4-$5 cable going on here. It's ok, they're not for everyone.
SWAG based on the 1,000 cables I've bought over the last 40+ years :-)
Thank you, your video was quite helpful.
Great solution
Really is, I love mine.
Yes if you got any one of those RetroTinks...
Which I do
Hi! Thanks for the awesome video. I know that the official website says: MK-4121 Sega CDX [NTSC - North America];
But, would they work with a Multi-Mega MK-4121-07 [Asia]?
What VCR has competent in? My Phillips DVD/DVR which has HDMI out only has Composite in, but no component in, it has component out but no in.
This means the answer to your question is No since I have no component in on any of my devices and don't want to buy a expensive scan line converter like the Framemeister or af OSSC that are still way above my budget, I'll just stick with a Sega Genesis to HDMI converter device like the HDMI Cable for Sega Genesis Model 1 / 2 / 3, Sega CD, Sega CDX, Sega 32X, Sega Nomad, Original Sega Master System Console by Levelhike, the image quality is far superior to composite and I doubt the Framemeister difference is worth the much higher price
Or even the Mcbazel OSSC SCART Component VGA to HDMI Open Source Scan Converter v1.6, yes the colors are not quite accurate and it looks a bit washed out but for 30 bucks it not that bad at all and way better than composite, no risk of image retention or burn in problem you get with composite and the image is at least sharp and accurate enough colors that you won't notice it during game play.
Hi, had a dumb noobie question: this product is a direct plug and play solution for any early to mid 2000s CRT with component RCA input ports, right? It should look proper without having to do anything else??
For the most part. There are a few minor compatibility issues but you can check the HD Retrovision website for the 240P test
Currently out of stock, EVERYWHERE. Unless you count the scalpers on eBay. $300, give me a break.
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Would you recommend me to get this component cables for my Sega Model 2 on my Sony Trinitron Wega tv?
First I'd say head over to HD Retrovision's website and perform the 240P compatibility test. If your TV passes, yes, these provide exceptional visuals.
@@RoXolid Damn I didn't know you can do that on the website?? I will do that for sure man thanks😊
@@erickmonroy5363 you don't do it through the website as much as the instructor how to perform the tests are on the website. You basically plug your composite video cable into one of the three component video ports and depending on what you see will help determine your compatibility.
side by side comparison is what people want to see...
Comparing what to what?
was this cable compatible for neo geo aes also? since the cable similar
Did you add a 3.5mm jack?
I did not
If Sonic won't work for the test, won't it also mean you can't play Sonic when using the Component hook up the regular way because it will have a compatibility problem? ?
Hi. If you do the test with composite cable to component and you get a steady black and white picture but with vertical scanlines, what does this mean? Does the TV supports these cable?
Correction. Games are software, not hardware.
Correct, did I misspeak?
@@RoXolid at the beginning
Honestly I would try a Composite to HDMI converter before spending 60 bux on that cable. That is way overpriced. You can get Composite to HDMI converter for about 15-20 bux on Amazon. They also have composite to Component cables for cheaper. Just use your original vid cable for your system and connect to the converters. I just can't support a cable for 60 bux.
I've tested or many of those AV2HDMI adapters and they ALL pale in comparison. Even the one I use most, the CoolDigital unit, doesn't come anywhere close to the quality of these cables. It can't, composite is by it's very nature an inferior video method compared to component.
RoXolid Productions to be fair that 60 dollar cable is just converting composite to component. I know you have some bias since you are friends of the store you mentioned and want viewers to buy from them, which would be great but I think there is a cheaper converter out there that will do just as good as that 60 dollar cable. If I still had my Gen I would find one.
So I am going to give you a look behind the curtain here because most of what you said is pretty factually inaccurate. If I come across as harsh or rude I apologize now as that is not my intention.
You stated: to be fair that 60 dollar cable is just converting composite to component.
Absolutely not accurate. The Model 1 and 2 Genesis, along with the original SNES and Super Famicom, all ALL capable of producing RGB video directly from the systems, no modifications required. The cables don't do anything beyond tap into the existing capabilities of the system and give you RGB Output via Component cables. In Europe they have had cables, called SCART, for decades that could do this, we just never got a similar solution in the West. If you'd like to learn more I'd highly recommend the My Life in Gaming Channel as both Courey and Try do an amazing job with their RGB Masterclass series that I myself have learned so much from. Check them out here - ruclips.net/video/VtTM7nU9SMA/видео.html
You Stated: I know you have some bias since you are friends of the store you mentioned and want viewers to buy from them, which would be great but I think there is a cheaper converter out there that will do just as good as that 60 dollar cable.
So I've seen this pop up on other channels recently and I'm just going to be totally transparent here. I get nothing if someone buys anything from Castlemania Games, no Spiff, no Kickback, nothing. Now, if someone buys something through one of my Amazon Affiliate links, such as the CoolDigital AV2HDMI Adapter that will convert a Composite video connection to HDMI, I actually DO get a bounty on those sales from Amazon! That's why you will hear me in videos mention if there's something that can be ordered via an affiliate link in the more info section that it helps support the channel. Conversely, the Viewers of the channel get a 10% off coupon code if they order from Castlemania Games, that's 100% Ryan helping the community. If anything it would directly benefit me and my income to direct people towards my Amazon storefront and discourage people buying from other sources, but that would truly be biased.
I would suggest checking out both of the AV2HDMI videos I have produced, one early on in the life of the channel and one recently, where you can see the quality or lack thereof for yourself.
Older - ruclips.net/video/QYWst8BsOEQ/видео.html
Newer- ruclips.net/video/HhRLWCiLSwQ/видео.html
I will also tell you that my disappointment in the quality of these AV2HDMI Adapters is what started me down the path of trying to find good HDMI-equipped clone consoles. Again I didn't intend any ill will in any of these comments, however, I did feel it necessary to correct some pretty incorrect statements you were making. I hope you understand!
RoXolid Productions thanks for the detailed reply. I meant no disrespect btw, so sorry if it translated that way. I still feel there is a cheaper alternative somewhere. I am no stranger to converters and crazy cable runs. I think we can still agree the company is way over charging for their cable. Even that adapter is over priced imo.
Off topic have you heard anything further about any firmware updates to the Super Retrocade? Personally I have a feeling they won't do anything further with it if there is no news at this point.
OSSC + Genesis HD Retrovision cable + SNES HD Retrovision cable = $300 or more. OR. $40 SCART to HDMI Upscaler/converter + $25 Genesis and SNES SCART Cables each from retro-access. Both look basically identical to most peoples eyes. I just don't get the hype.
I ONLY used the OSSC because my capture device would not handle the 240P signal. If I wasn't capturing and only doing game play for fun then I wouldn't be using an OSSC. At your $65 you're $5 more than just using the cables. And I'll tell you going into my Samsung 4K TV with component video cables looks identical to my eyes as going through 3x line tripling on my OSSC.
I'm not saying the OSSC isn't nice or isn't useful in certain specific use cases. I'm saying that while some TV's today do still have component inputs, many do not and most likely less will going forward. Which puts a potential buyer in the exact same position as using RGB SCART cables; needing a SCART/Component to HDMI converter. In which case going the SCART route provides a basically identical experience for less money.
We appreciate this, and are working on our own component to HDMI upscaling box to help with the problem in the future.
I have a Vizio tv and i did the test and got a color screen... Is that good?
One question. Recently I got a Genesis model but not the high definition graphics because my doesn't have that. But big question it will work. Because my LG lcd actually support 240p and 480p component so it makes the picture much cleaner and sharper than the muddy composite.
Follow the test that I outlined here to make sure that your TV will be compatible. Plug the yellow composite into one of the component inputs and plug two other RCA jacks into the other two component inputs. If you have a black and white picture it should work for you. If you get a jumbled picture or other issues then they will not work for you.
But also, these cables will work with either the model 1 or model to Genesis so the model to is not labeled as high definition Graphics like some of the model ones are. My model 1 does not say high definition graphics and it still works just fine.
Not worth it unless you have one system. Much cheaper to get a Scart splitter.
Unfortunately most tvs that they sell now days don't have component jacks
I would say some, not most. My Samsung and Vizio TVs, which are pretty new, both have component video inputs.
How old are your tvs? I a had tv I bought 2 years ago that did component. My 4k 50 inch Samsung I bought this year has no component jacks and my neighbors 4k 55 inch Samsung does not have component either.
@@attilathehun0 My Vizio I bought about 9 months ago, my Samsung about 18.
Does a sega cable cord work on a playstation 1 a n64 and a super nintendo
There's an adapter for the PS1 & PS2. The Super Nintendo has it's own cable that's only compatible with the N64 if you modify it for RGB
Is this better than scart to component?
I would say so because scart to component doesn't do any line multiplication where this does. Plus you can also work on filters and other things that make it just better overall
Will these work on an older sony crt without testing it?
No idea, I would recommend going through the 240p testing process that HD retrovision has outlined on their website
@@RoXolid what if I don't have composite cables for my sega, where should I get them
Model 2/3 Cables - amzn.to/2V98Ekt
Model 1 Cables - amzn.to/2GuYL8q
Can I get an awesome quality with RGB in a Led if I have the Sega Genesis 3?
From my understanding the model 3 Genesis can output RGB, however, it can only output mono sound which will drive the left speaker. If it is something you already own, use it, but you'll get better video and audio out of a Model 1.
@@RoXolid Okay, I see. Thanks for your reply.. ;-)
Anytime!!!
@@RoXolid No, the Genesis 3 CANNOT output RGB without modding the console, it's composite video only
Good to know, I thought I had read somewhere that it could but I've never messed with it myself
Will it work for all crt TVs?
Yes
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I can’t believe for me to get a great picture I have to buy the OSSC BOX.I can’t afford it,so that’s why I’m sending my cables back.If I would of none I had to buy both the cables and OSSC,I never would of bought the cables😞😞😞😞
All depends on your TV honestly. My Samsung 4k handles it without an issue.
RoXolid Productions Gary my tv handles it perfectly,that’s not the problem,the problem is you need both the cables and the OSSC,to get that beautiful picture,and I can’t afford that OSSC,so I’m screwed.
Not necessarily. The line tripping on the OSSC is essentially just duplicating what my TV does internally.
RoXolid Productions So why am I getting the Artifacting.My tv passed the test,and Ryan told me I have to get a OSSC.Gary I can’t afford that,so what’s wrong,why can’t I get a perfect picture?? That’s why I’m sending my cables back.Im just totally frustrated with the whole thing.
Weird, I don't know man. It's gotta be a TV thing.
Niiiiiiice😮
They're pretty amazing!
RoXolid Productions so affordable because I had a custom made NES with the Kevtris mod and it was pricey but worth it.
Sor2 > FF
Pong > RPGs
These are $120 cables now
Only thru scalpers. They are STILL $65 at castlemaniagames.com/collections/hd-retrovision/products/hd-retrovision-genesis/?ref=RoXolid
I don't think any "purist" wants to connect a Sega Genesis to an HDTV.
This HD cale is awesome for Genesis model 2 and CDX, but no form Sega Genesis Model 1, because DON´T exist LEFT RIGHT SOUND OUTPUT in that conector, the only way of get STEREO SOUND (YAMAHA 2612) is in the front 3.5mm conector...
They have an adapter just for that
@@RoXolid What kind of adapter ?
@@El_Brujo_Rey_de_Angmar 3.5mm to 2 RCA jacks