"There's nothing more upsetting than an aesthetically pleasing looking TCG archetype being horrendous". Boy, that opening quote nails it so well. There have been so many of those, I dread that the recently revealed Ashened will follow the same path as Vendread.
Seriously there’s one change that can fix vendreads and make them at least decent. Have it so the Pringles give the inherent effects from anywhere. Easy
I doubt they would change the existing monsters to accommodate that but I could see future support removing the field restriction, or a continuous card that makes it apply from anywhere.
Don’t know why they even gave them that restriction, the monsters are still better used as link material but you won’t be able to get the ritual effects
That's a wonderful idea! Basically Djinns but specifically for Vendreads. All they would have to say is "if this card is used as material for the Ritual summon of a Vendread monster", it would be perfect
listening to this "failed cards" series, almost every archetype goes into it at some point. Wait a few months and we'll eventually see Naturia in there. "Failed" is too strong of a word imho
I'm convinced that Vendreads can be good, but they really need some better Ritual monsters and more ways to boost attack. If I may quote Rata, "for a battle focused archetype, their damage output is embarrassing"
@@stevenceja4706after. So we KNOW for a fact Konami could make it good. They just decided to smoke a mountain of meth before designing the card's effects
@fxlja they probably overbalanced these cards because of how powerful Nekroz was, which is kinda fair but there's absolutely no reason why they can't have better support now. I imagine Impcantations help this deck as much as they do any other ritual archetype but its just not enough
@@GeneralAdvance they tried that and succeeded in varying degrees. Cyber Dragon just keeps ramming into you until you're dead. Cubics kill you with burn damage if they fail to OTK. Chaos MAX doesn't care about 80% of the card pool that tries to stop it.
I'm convinced that that one time like a decade ago when zombies were meta scarred Konami ao badly that they refuse to give zombies cards that aren't mediocre. The amount of nonsensical drawbacks and middling effects printed across all zombie cards lets me know there's some sort of grudge
Vendread is the biggest case of konami shotting the deck on the head, cuz they are still cool and have great ritual spells and now with scavenger some traps and the field spell are decent, but god the rituals really need an improvement
They're currently part of meta in ocg that ppl side lancea mainly bc of it,it's likely either the same case with ocg or high rogue at worst in tcg @@stevenceja4706
I played this archetype in Master Duel during the event that ended on the 29th of January and it was a fun deck to play with plus I managed to win some games. Could you cover the Cloudian archetype next?
Hmm. Maybe I lost to you. My Subterrors lost to a Vendread deck after a very long but exciting back and forth. I vote for plunder patrol as a failed archetype. Most people want them to be godd and they almost are, but not against Spright and later.
If cloudians had more special summon monsters and were slightly more consistent and reliable with their cloud counter mechanic they’d be decent at least.
This deck needs an on-theme Burial from a Different Dimensions that returns up to 5 Vendreads instead, and a ritual spell similar to Scavenger's Ritual Spell
I play Vendreads. They're pretty good as a Link and Synchro deck and their Ritual spells are honestly one of the best, as all of them can Ritual summon from the graveyard. One under-appreciated feature that both Slayer and Battlelord have effects in which they can search *any* Ritual monster and *any* Ritual spell card; you can build creative decks that way. Their main issue is you have to special summon their main deck monsters onto the field, which often costs resources from the gy. One card that I don't see played with Vendreads is Lich Lord, King of the Underworld, whose effect is not limited to a once per turn, which provides Vendreads tribute fodder. Zombie World also helps a lot (you can banish Diviner and Herald of the Arc Light). I think the biggest issue with Vendreads is the Rituals have lackluster effects when on the field. Sure, Revendread prevents targeting and Chimera (often considered the worst of the Rituals) offers protection, but if you didn't use the Vendread main deck monsters as field tributes, you are often left without the ability to interact during your opponent's turn. One solution is to have either a Vendread Ritual Monster *or* Vendread Continuous Spell that allows you to banish your opponent's zombie monsters from their graveyard instead of your own. This will allow Vendreads to be a pseudo Bystials, and be balanced out by the fact you have to run Zombie World, which is vulnerable to removal.
I love this sort of thinking, having an eye for cracks in the text for archetype effect that open them up support non-archetype plays. Unfortunately, you don't see much of this in duel links.
Vendreads is one of my main decks that i play in master duel and i always admire it although it lacks alot of things considering that the current meta decks are Tough to deal with ,yet i play it for fun and i hope it gets some future support , and Ritual support in general since it's being avoided for quite some time
I dared to use the Ritual Djinn and Hand Destruction/Dark World Dealings with Vendread There was this may he were the opponent was MILLING MY DECK! needless to say I won with all that cooperative effort! XD
Main thing is Vendreads need more recovery cards. Spells or the like that allow you to quickly recover your banished cards so you can use them again along with adding Vendread Monsters than can grant effects regardless of where they are sacrificed from.
Yeah, needs cards like the ritual Djinns that just give effect regardless of location. would also be good if the was a ritual spell that let you just used the banished monsters
13:10 Every time an archetype has a powerful card that ends up unlimited, it really shows how weak the archetype is. Ursarctic Radiation is another example.
I actually play these guys on a pretty religious basis, both in TCG and in MD, and honestly I think they are one of the best non-competitive deck since they don’t run out of gas easily at all unless you just get a bad start. But if you wanted to make these guys a competitive there I think all that would be needed is a MD monster that gives the effect to make the monster ritual summoned with it immune to card destruction. They already have very consistent ways to get 10k+ dmg on the field, great ritual spells, a board wipe trap, Vendread Reorigin, and a great link monster. Now they just need that little push that’ll make them at least tier 3
This is not like suship where its one card away from being broken, and let me tell you all they need is just continuous trap that detach, zone lock and destroy things like actual warship bombarment, i caj guaranteed that suship will get these shelling-like effect, vendead being ritual and battle themed limit the card design.
The fact of the matter is that vendread half-assess being a control deck not letting you use the rituals in it's full potential with the complementary effects that the main deck monsters give them, and they also half-ass being one of the best Zombie and Ritual Engines to any generic zombie and/or ritual deck.
I always knew this deck was woefully in conflict with itself and never even rogue-tier. What I didn't know was that it started in VRAINS-era. I doubt this would've been meta in Zexal ffs
N/R FORMAT MENTIONED! Thanks for mentioning the greatest alt format and how we are constantly wondering if we have to ban Scar or what we dub "Branded Fusion" (the ritual that sends materials from deck)
I would say that the last support helped vendreads a lot, being able to make an untargetable, banish 1 monster and 1 s/t executor is much easier now. The problem is still that this deck lacks swarming, which is weird for a zombie deck, and that its kinda slow. This is a deck that can see some really good amount of play in duel links, even without skills specific for the deck, if only konami adds the bew support. Heck, they could even make a skill that allows the rituals to gain the monster effects from anywhere, not just the field. Its kinda like how triamids has a deck that flows well, but then theres the trap that banishes the cards instead of shuffling them into the deck for whatever reason.
Just give them a ritual spell that also uses banished and gets the monsters effects. Shuffle them back in the deck. And make it preprep-able by associating it with one of the vendread rather than the Reve dreads
That one trap card is also could be sleeper op because of it's ability to do special summon the materials and ritual summon all in one card. Again the problem with it is getting the card either in the gy or field easily and consistently
This is definitely a case of Konami being too afraid to give Vendread strong support because of the zombie toolbox. Being forced to have the material on the field to give otherwise mediocre Ritual monsters halfway decent effects really forces this archetype to jump through so many hurdles when a normal deck can do better off of 1-2 card combos. Vendread is a really cool theme, but is definitely lacking compared to other archetypes
You should cover Dark Magician. It really only sees use as a side deck option (as a meme), has over 15 cards to support it but a pure deck doesn't necessarily place or place consistently in really any format. Targeted banish doesn't do much when most cards have protection from targeting and a number of archetypes use banish as a means of floating/ banish doesn't do anything against them and just about the same number of archetypes/ cards make use of nontargeting banish (ex. Metaphys Daedelus & Evenly Matched). Eternal Soul literally kills your Dark magician monsters. The archetype could be rogue but let's be honest, people playing it is playing it to meme. This should be covered
Not even a minute into the video: the fuck was konami thinking? a link era ritual with the effect to banish something from your grave to gain 300 attack. bruh.
I’ve had some success with Vendread in MD getting to Platinum rank. The deck just needs some decent support and I hope Konami doesn’t forget about this archetype
The deck needs archetype specific djinns, a means to recycle materials better, and even a card that allows rituals to gain the effects of the materials from anywhere. The deck isn’t so broken that it needed this level of restriction 😢
Imagine a world where their field spell could tribute a monster and special summon "Vendread" monsters from the grave face down up to the combined level of the tributed monster, thus turning on their ritual effects. And if you control a "Vendread" ritual monster could shuffle "Vendread" monsters from banished into the deck up to the combined level of "Vendread" ritual monsters you control. It wouldn't suddenly make the deck beyond op, but it could make the deck so much more useable
There's a ton of ritual support released around the beginning of the link era with megalith, vendread and the impcantations all being released within a few packs of eachother. The reason for this is probably that rituals are the only alternate summoning mechanic that wasn't affected by master rule 4.
Still using Vendread in Master Duel, and it's still good enough even before Ravenous and Scar was released. Revendread Evolution was great, even if it pop your ritual at the end phase, the point is just to put your Slayer or Battlelord on the field, so you can link them into Savior and triggered their grave effect. Or even better, if you open with Diviner of Herald, you can Synchro Slayer and Diviner into Ultimaya. Though the deck release time was terrible. Their initial release is during the era where things like Gouki U-Link, Summon Sorceress, and Firewall Loop exist, and three years later when it released the last support, the deck can only be 'Decently playable' because the game already evolved so far.
It’s funny that you posted this a couple days after MangaKamen made a video about the “women in refrigerators” trope, as that is arguably what kickstarts the protagonist’s journey.
Vendread is also one of the first Archetypes to use Pre-Preparation of Rituals outside of it's intended purpose. Pre-Preparation's intended effect is to search both a Ritual Monster and it's specific Ritual Spell, meaning it would support old Rituals (as these had Ritual Spells that only worked on 1 monster) while newer Rituals with their more generic Spells would need something else. But Vendread was designed to ignore this, since all their ritual spells are generic for Vendreads, but 2 of them also have an extra effect that specifically lists a Vendread Monster. Origin with an effect that only protects Revendread Slayer, and Ravenous with an effect that _Excludes_ Vendread Scavenger! It's a very creative way to go about it, and I've found it amusing for years.
Why do i now want this deck. I like the story and the designs. I think i have ideas on trying to make a minor fix for them but id need time to make a plan on it.
My main Deck in Master Duel is a zombie - deck that also contains some Vendread cards to support it. I really like giving Houndhorde's effect to slayer - being able to banish one of your opponent's spell or trap cards per turn while also being protected by Revendread Origin is kinda nice. Avendread Saviour is also quite nice. Makes it easier to get Zombie World on your Side of the field (by sending "Nekroworld Banshee" to the GY).You can also send Doom King Balerdroch to the GY for an even bigger debuff (-1600 ATK enables Saviour to beat over anything with 3000 ATK or less) and to get it on the field during the next Standby Phase (as long as there is a field spell on the field). It might not be a good archetype on its own but some of the cards can be quite decent in generic zombie decks.. (Plus I really like the lore around them ^^).
Ritual spell cards need to be beefed up with lingering effects or more graveyard effects. It eats up a spell card slot and its usually dead weight if its just sitting in your hand. We have pendulums so it wouldnt surprise me if we get Spell/Trap hybrid cards in the future. Vandread Contamination Ritual Spell/Trap Its gonna get ugly as sin because Pendulums are pretty ugly imo.
In my head cannon, at the end of his story, the now Avendread Savior and his actions of saving the city had caught the attention of the HEROES and are actively trying to recruit him to their team. Perhaps we'll see a HERO version of Avendread Savior?
I'm curious as to if Vendreads would have been good or even a decent rogue option if it had come out a format or two earlier. A lot of these failed archetypes probably would have been strong if they had come out earlier than they had been. For all we know, this one could have been great if it came out with the first wave of Link Monsters. The banish effect could stop early Link Climbing, and popping spells and traps would have probably been a good call to hinder the enemy if they were playing something like Mirror Force to deal with Links. It's just a shame that Vendreads have such an uphill battle going for them. It's appropriate, given the story of the archetype, but just making the main deck monsters restricted to only passing on those effects to Vendread Ritual Monsters probably would have been more than enough of a restriction to allow their effects to be passed on. Maybe this deck could be fixed with a new field spell that recurs the banished Vendreads for constant recycling, and maybe adding in some level manipulation so that they can be more effective in actually ritual summoning the cards. But hey. At least the Vendreads are powerful in Master Duel's N/R format. That's gotta account for something.
I honestly think it has huge potential, the struggle not so much the setup as much as it is just straight up bricking or only going into beat down because you drew no ritual spells or monster cards.
Honestly, the one change that would fix the deck and make it competitive is just make main decks that are starters (similar to diviner or aluber). I've played the deck religiously in MD and it combos fine, but no summonable starters to add consistency is why the deck suffers, it's just basic deck design. Vendread practically just copied what some xyz decks do (hence the on the field restriction), but fails because no starters. TLDR: Vendread has no starters, just give it starters and the deck is fixed.
I am really hopeful that one day we will get another awesome ritual deck as it is my favorite form of summoning but with how much the design of rituals busts I'm not keeping my hopes up. Also I am really hopeful that the Ashened archetype turns out good, I'd love to see another "reference" archetype that is actually really viable.
....It may not be much but Vendreads managed to stand-in for eldlich's absence in the event. Funny how battlelord stomps Avramax spams when vampire tribute is out of question.
The main issue with this archetype is that the materials need to be on the field to give the extra effects. Sure Mezuki, Book of Life, etc facilitate that a bit but it’s still super clunky. They need to either errata the cards or make retrains that grant the effects when they’re used as material regardless of where they are. They should also make a card similar to Nouvelles “At Table” so they can recycle monsters and ritual spells from banishment (ha ha! New keyword!)
@@xelius2683Piercing and excavate are 2 of the few keywords/official terms we have. Prior to PSCT, prercing was used once with the Duelist Pack: Zane reprint of Cyberdark Horn. Excavate debuted as a keyword when the Sylvans debuted. With more and more cards interacting with banished cards, out of play cards kinda needed a collective term. For example Pokemon calls where their banished cards go The Lost Zone
YEAAAAAAAAAH!!! VENDREAD WAS ADDRESS AS A POWERFUL DECK IN NR FORMAT! DuelLogs is not lying, Vendreads is a very good deck. As it is rn, the deck has suffer major hits in the banlist, but the council members are open to bring some key carda back to see if vendreads comes back to the meta
I bought only one pack of Circuit Break and pulled a Vendread Chimera. A secret rare. A beyond horrible secret rare. Could have been a Borreload but guess luck wasn't on my side that day.
It's so frustrating that Vendread have so many unnecessary restrictions, that only exist to bloat the cards and make them worse than their contemporary decks. But with Vendread should have come a ruling change. Ritual spells say Equal or Exceed the level of a monster but that's NOT WHAT IT DOES it actually means: Equal but can exceed unless the extra levels are not needed. To this day you can't 7 lv1 monsters to summon a lv6 even though logically you should be allowed to. Also also every Vendread monster should have been lv3 it would have solved so many issues as long as they had nothing to do with exact levels since you would gain access to a certain rank 3 that recycles banished cards.
Correction at 12:00 Scar of the Vendread is the ONLY Vendread to not banish themselves after they revive which went to show that none of the other vendreads needed tgat restriction.
they made it bad on purpose to sell the meta changing deck in the same pack., Its standard Komoney shit that they are still doing. did you never realised how every deck that does not cost you an arm an leg to play is never meta. We will never have the back in days thing of 3 structures win VCs thing.
@@nsreturn1365 Scar is a good card I was talking more about how it was proof that Vendreads didn't need to Banish themselves if they used the revive effect. In an imaginary world where Houndhorde and Revnants both had a discard cost to summon themselves from GY but didn't banish themselves when leaving the field they'd be _okay_ if they gave their inheritance of used for the summon of a Vendread anywhere and the inheritance wasn't OPT they'd have been amazing for their time since you make a ritual using them on field(or linking them off) then make a ritual by banishing them from GY and then the Vendread endboard would have upwards of 2-3 rituals that each banish a monster and a backrow for free at Quick Effect speed which honestly would have been fine for their time.
an easy way to fix all the problems would be to make the pringle monsters count as the whole tribute for the ritual summon of a Vendread Ritual Monster. That's it.
messed around with the vendread loaner during the theme chronicles event and it felt clunky. considering you need the monsters on the field to grant their effects to the ritual while the ritual spells let you use the graveyard and the monsters would banish themselves or others for meh at best effects. you want to play a ritual deck that messes with the graveyard just go drytron. Scar and ravenous felt like the only that were actually doing something.
Charge is the key. It is all the gas needed to make the deck work. I played against some of those Vendread players and I saw lines they didn't where them summoning Slayer with both banish effects would have put me in a hole wouldn't have recovered from. It is a hard deck to figure out though, so I get it. Once you realize Slayers gy effect is not once per turn, it becomes easier to see the lines and grab the right ritual spells.
I find it weird the concept for this archetype wasn’t done earlier since spawn was as major an inspiration for yugioh as hellboy(which also needs an archetype).
I think if they add a ritual monster that has a quick effect like return, banish or destroy a card orginal effect not from the tributed monsters. its gonna make the deck decent
Finally my favorite arc type gets a video 🎉🎉 i love these guys on duel links 😂 and the new box gave us some zombie support not the best but ill take it
Can't wait for the failed cards of Ashened. Looks like a literal dumpster fire of a deck, but hey, they're Pyro type. Hope you have your set of Bonfires!
Fully expecting the Noble Knights to show up on this series at some point. One amazing card, plus a ton of others that have amazing art and nothing else.
you’re trippin’ noble/Infernoble one of best decks in game. Beats lab, kashtira, despia/albaz.. and that’s without Max C or Ash in deck. Most ppl who play this game are bad and only know certain plays cause of the”auto play” the game has.
Maybe if they had a card that returned monsters to the GY from the banished zone, then once per turn drew a card from it, maybe even searched on activation. A Continuous Spell, to make it balanced
it really seems like vendread is good in a vacuum, like discarding cards isn't a steep cost because the deck has so much access to the GY. but then once it leaves it's vacuum and we compare it to other cards that do the same thing without hardly any cost it doesn't stack up
Certainly feel like the biggest problem with Vandread is the banish aspect of the archetype. Like you said it took away resources without giving you enough of a benefit. Without a card that can seriously utilize the banished cards the entire archetype just feels like it revolves around shooting yourself in the foot to get what amounts to, imo, a wiffle ball bat.
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The Master Duel story rundown of this archetype is pretty cool.
Yeah, that's been one my favorite Gates in the Solo mode.
It's a shame the archetype isn't better, it's art and lore are just so cool.
Resident evil zombies with spawn? Yeah they're pretty cool. They definitely deserves better
"There's nothing more upsetting than an aesthetically pleasing looking TCG archetype being horrendous". Boy, that opening quote nails it so well.
There have been so many of those, I dread that the recently revealed Ashened will follow the same path as Vendread.
Me with Digi Bugs
They did. Ghoti too
@@ThatOneWeirdFlex Yeah, that was definitely sad to see.
Seriously there’s one change that can fix vendreads and make them at least decent. Have it so the Pringles give the inherent effects from anywhere. Easy
Exactly
They wouldn't even have to change that much text!
I doubt they would change the existing monsters to accommodate that but I could see future support removing the field restriction, or a continuous card that makes it apply from anywhere.
Don’t know why they even gave them that restriction, the monsters are still better used as link material but you won’t be able to get the ritual effects
That's a wonderful idea! Basically Djinns but specifically for Vendreads. All they would have to say is "if this card is used as material for the Ritual summon of a Vendread monster", it would be perfect
I'm gonna depress myself listening to this. Always loved the aesthetics. Thank you.
As someone who stopped playing before Vendreads came out, I Love them, both visually, and for the implied story.
listening to this "failed cards" series, almost every archetype goes into it at some point. Wait a few months and we'll eventually see Naturia in there. "Failed" is too strong of a word imho
@@neyrhuit's just like that Rata series
I'm convinced that Vendreads can be good, but they really need some better Ritual monsters and more ways to boost attack. If I may quote Rata, "for a battle focused archetype, their damage output is embarrassing"
Did Vendreds come out before or after Nekroz?
@@stevenceja4706after. So we KNOW for a fact Konami could make it good. They just decided to smoke a mountain of meth before designing the card's effects
@fxlja they probably overbalanced these cards because of how powerful Nekroz was, which is kinda fair but there's absolutely no reason why they can't have better support now. I imagine Impcantations help this deck as much as they do any other ritual archetype but its just not enough
I swear that half the battle focused archetypes that fail cos of be fixed by just double or tripling their damage bonuses
@@GeneralAdvance they tried that and succeeded in varying degrees. Cyber Dragon just keeps ramming into you until you're dead. Cubics kill you with burn damage if they fail to OTK. Chaos MAX doesn't care about 80% of the card pool that tries to stop it.
I'm convinced that that one time like a decade ago when zombies were meta scarred Konami ao badly that they refuse to give zombies cards that aren't mediocre. The amount of nonsensical drawbacks and middling effects printed across all zombie cards lets me know there's some sort of grudge
As a fan of both Resident Evil and Spawn this archetype hits a sweet spot. I hope it gets more support
*I hope it gets good support
Vendread is the biggest case of konami shotting the deck on the head, cuz they are still cool and have great ritual spells and now with scavenger some traps and the field spell are decent, but god the rituals really need an improvement
New Voiceless Voice archetype seems interesting
They're currently part of meta in ocg that ppl side lancea mainly bc of it,it's likely either the same case with ocg or high rogue at worst in tcg
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@@stevenceja4706hope it does not get the " pack filler treatment"
I played this archetype in Master Duel during the event that ended on the 29th of January and it was a fun deck to play with plus I managed to win some games. Could you cover the Cloudian archetype next?
I played against this archetype also in the last event and I won with stunt deck
@@mohammednorth2660 Cool
Hmm. Maybe I lost to you. My Subterrors lost to a Vendread deck after a very long but exciting back and forth.
I vote for plunder patrol as a failed archetype. Most people want them to be godd and they almost are, but not against Spright and later.
If cloudians had more special summon monsters and were slightly more consistent and reliable with their cloud counter mechanic they’d be decent at least.
@@larshoffmann2594 I did face a Subterror deck but I defeated the person in six turns
This deck needs an on-theme Burial from a Different Dimensions that returns up to 5 Vendreads instead, and a ritual spell similar to Scavenger's Ritual Spell
Why not just use burial itself its at 3 copies and we have the vendread revolution trap that shuffles 5 banished vendreads to draw 1.
@@dwaynemcfadden731 1. burial isn't searchable
2. the traps are slow
I play Vendreads. They're pretty good as a Link and Synchro deck and their Ritual spells are honestly one of the best, as all of them can Ritual summon from the graveyard.
One under-appreciated feature that both Slayer and Battlelord have effects in which they can search *any* Ritual monster and *any* Ritual spell card; you can build creative decks that way.
Their main issue is you have to special summon their main deck monsters onto the field, which often costs resources from the gy. One card that I don't see played with Vendreads is Lich Lord, King of the Underworld, whose effect is not limited to a once per turn, which provides Vendreads tribute fodder. Zombie World also helps a lot (you can banish Diviner and Herald of the Arc Light).
I think the biggest issue with Vendreads is the Rituals have lackluster effects when on the field. Sure, Revendread prevents targeting and Chimera (often considered the worst of the Rituals) offers protection, but if you didn't use the Vendread main deck monsters as field tributes, you are often left without the ability to interact during your opponent's turn.
One solution is to have either a Vendread Ritual Monster *or* Vendread Continuous Spell that allows you to banish your opponent's zombie monsters from their graveyard instead of your own. This will allow Vendreads to be a pseudo Bystials, and be balanced out by the fact you have to run Zombie World, which is vulnerable to removal.
I love this sort of thinking, having an eye for cracks in the text for archetype effect that open them up support non-archetype plays. Unfortunately, you don't see much of this in duel links.
Its biggest weaknesses are definitely the needing to be on the field for buffs and the amount of costs for effects.
Vendreads is one of my main decks that i play in master duel and i always admire it although it lacks alot of things considering that the current meta decks are Tough to deal with ,yet i play it for fun and i hope it gets some future support , and Ritual support in general since it's being avoided for quite some time
I dared to use the Ritual Djinn and Hand Destruction/Dark World Dealings with Vendread
There was this may he were the opponent was MILLING MY DECK! needless to say I won with all that cooperative effort!
XD
We need a Ritual Spell that can summon ANY Ritual Monster, period, ignoring summoning conditions even.
This
Main thing is Vendreads need more recovery cards. Spells or the like that allow you to quickly recover your banished cards so you can use them again along with adding Vendread Monsters than can grant effects regardless of where they are sacrificed from.
Yeah, needs cards like the ritual Djinns that just give effect regardless of location. would also be good if the was a ritual spell that let you just used the banished monsters
13:10 Every time an archetype has a powerful card that ends up unlimited, it really shows how weak the archetype is.
Ursarctic Radiation is another example.
I actually play these guys on a pretty religious basis, both in TCG and in MD, and honestly I think they are one of the best non-competitive deck since they don’t run out of gas easily at all unless you just get a bad start. But if you wanted to make these guys a competitive there I think all that would be needed is a MD monster that gives the effect to make the monster ritual summoned with it immune to card destruction. They already have very consistent ways to get 10k+ dmg on the field, great ritual spells, a board wipe trap, Vendread Reorigin, and a great link monster. Now they just need that little push that’ll make them at least tier 3
The Djinn's exist, there's probably one that stops card distruction
The Archetype needs more support as it could legit work.
You have to let go
This is not like suship where its one card away from being broken, and let me tell you all they need is just continuous trap that detach, zone lock and destroy things like actual warship bombarment, i caj guaranteed that suship will get these shelling-like effect,
vendead being ritual and battle themed limit the card design.
@@r3zafulit doesn’t need to be battle themed, change it so it’s banished themed
they need like a nekroz of clausolas, that way you can use ravenous to use scar from deck to ritual summon it.
The fact of the matter is that vendread half-assess being a control deck not letting you use the rituals in it's full potential with the complementary effects that the main deck monsters give them, and they also half-ass being one of the best Zombie and Ritual Engines to any generic zombie and/or ritual deck.
I always knew this deck was woefully in conflict with itself and never even rogue-tier. What I didn't know was that it started in VRAINS-era. I doubt this would've been meta in Zexal ffs
N/R FORMAT MENTIONED! Thanks for mentioning the greatest alt format and how we are constantly wondering if we have to ban Scar or what we dub "Branded Fusion" (the ritual that sends materials from deck)
NR FORMAT HAS A BAN LIST?! (Not counting SR/UR cards being banned by definition)
This video kind of broke my heart. Vendreads was the first deck that helped me get to KoG rank in Duel Links. Oh well...Great video!
I'm looking forward to seeing the Falied Cards focused on my boy BLS and Demise.
I would say that the last support helped vendreads a lot, being able to make an untargetable, banish 1 monster and 1 s/t executor is much easier now.
The problem is still that this deck lacks swarming, which is weird for a zombie deck, and that its kinda slow.
This is a deck that can see some really good amount of play in duel links, even without skills specific for the deck, if only konami adds the bew support.
Heck, they could even make a skill that allows the rituals to gain the monster effects from anywhere, not just the field.
Its kinda like how triamids has a deck that flows well, but then theres the trap that banishes the cards instead of shuffling them into the deck for whatever reason.
Just give them a ritual spell that also uses banished and gets the monsters effects. Shuffle them back in the deck. And make it preprep-able by associating it with one of the vendread rather than the Reve dreads
That one trap card is also could be sleeper op because of it's ability to do special summon the materials and ritual summon all in one card. Again the problem with it is getting the card either in the gy or field easily and consistently
This is definitely a case of Konami being too afraid to give Vendread strong support because of the zombie toolbox. Being forced to have the material on the field to give otherwise mediocre Ritual monsters halfway decent effects really forces this archetype to jump through so many hurdles when a normal deck can do better off of 1-2 card combos.
Vendread is a really cool theme, but is definitely lacking compared to other archetypes
Kinda sucks that Ritual monsters tend to suck unless they win you the game on summon
You should cover Dark Magician. It really only sees use as a side deck option (as a meme), has over 15 cards to support it but a pure deck doesn't necessarily place or place consistently in really any format. Targeted banish doesn't do much when most cards have protection from targeting and a number of archetypes use banish as a means of floating/ banish doesn't do anything against them and just about the same number of archetypes/ cards make use of nontargeting banish (ex. Metaphys Daedelus & Evenly Matched). Eternal Soul literally kills your Dark magician monsters. The archetype could be rogue but let's be honest, people playing it is playing it to meme. This should be covered
Vandread feels like it needed a tower monster that couldn't be targeted by effects and had high attack like Avramax and Borrelend.
That and if their extra effects for their ritual materials could be triggered from anywhere
Not even a minute into the video: the fuck was konami thinking? a link era ritual with the effect to banish something from your grave to gain 300 attack. bruh.
Having one monster with like 3+ monster effects based on it's material is a really cool tbh
At least they're good to splash, Zombies are so versatile that popping a few of the Pringles in men's you can cover a base a bit more
Konami was really bold for designing an archetype that only deals emotional damage
I’ve had some success with Vendread in MD getting to Platinum rank. The deck just needs some decent support and I hope Konami doesn’t forget about this archetype
The deck needs archetype specific djinns, a means to recycle materials better, and even a card that allows rituals to gain the effects of the materials from anywhere. The deck isn’t so broken that it needed this level of restriction 😢
You know someone screwed up, when a card comes out that needs to clarify itself as another card. Especially when it's the boss monster.
Imagine a world where their field spell could tribute a monster and special summon "Vendread" monsters from the grave face down up to the combined level of the tributed monster, thus turning on their ritual effects. And if you control a "Vendread" ritual monster could shuffle "Vendread" monsters from banished into the deck up to the combined level of "Vendread" ritual monsters you control. It wouldn't suddenly make the deck beyond op, but it could make the deck so much more useable
I always feel awesome after setting up vendread reunion with a little from dyna mondo.
The first time i saw their most recent support, i felt hope. Then i read the ritual monster and internally screamed
There's a ton of ritual support released around the beginning of the link era with megalith, vendread and the impcantations all being released within a few packs of eachother. The reason for this is probably that rituals are the only alternate summoning mechanic that wasn't affected by master rule 4.
Still using Vendread in Master Duel, and it's still good enough even before Ravenous and Scar was released.
Revendread Evolution was great, even if it pop your ritual at the end phase, the point is just to put your Slayer or Battlelord on the field, so you can link them into Savior and triggered their grave effect. Or even better, if you open with Diviner of Herald, you can Synchro Slayer and Diviner into Ultimaya.
Though the deck release time was terrible. Their initial release is during the era where things like Gouki U-Link, Summon Sorceress, and Firewall Loop exist, and three years later when it released the last support, the deck can only be 'Decently playable' because the game already evolved so far.
Would love to see you tackle Icejade in this series!
It’s funny that you posted this a couple days after MangaKamen made a video about the “women in refrigerators” trope, as that is arguably what kickstarts the protagonist’s journey.
Vendread is also one of the first Archetypes to use Pre-Preparation of Rituals outside of it's intended purpose.
Pre-Preparation's intended effect is to search both a Ritual Monster and it's specific Ritual Spell, meaning it would support old Rituals (as these had Ritual Spells that only worked on 1 monster) while newer Rituals with their more generic Spells would need something else.
But Vendread was designed to ignore this, since all their ritual spells are generic for Vendreads, but 2 of them also have an extra effect that specifically lists a Vendread Monster.
Origin with an effect that only protects Revendread Slayer, and Ravenous with an effect that _Excludes_ Vendread Scavenger!
It's a very creative way to go about it, and I've found it amusing for years.
Out of all the “failed” cards these are the most useable. And they’re kinda fun to play
Why do i now want this deck. I like the story and the designs. I think i have ideas on trying to make a minor fix for them but id need time to make a plan on it.
Pls do a video on the seal of orichalcos arc-related cards! Ik there’s not a lot but it’d be a cool topic
It's a shame too, because Vendreads looked really interesting when they first released. They sadly never rose above their initial power level though.
My main Deck in Master Duel is a zombie - deck that also contains some Vendread cards to support it.
I really like giving Houndhorde's effect to slayer - being able to banish one of your opponent's spell or trap cards per turn while also being protected by Revendread Origin is kinda nice.
Avendread Saviour is also quite nice. Makes it easier to get Zombie World on your Side of the field (by sending "Nekroworld Banshee" to the GY).You can also send Doom King Balerdroch to the GY for an even bigger debuff (-1600 ATK enables Saviour to beat over anything with 3000 ATK or less) and to get it on the field during the next Standby Phase (as long as there is a field spell on the field).
It might not be a good archetype on its own but some of the cards can be quite decent in generic zombie decks..
(Plus I really like the lore around them ^^).
Ritual spell cards need to be beefed up with lingering effects or more graveyard effects. It eats up a spell card slot and its usually dead weight if its just sitting in your hand. We have pendulums so it wouldnt surprise me if we get Spell/Trap hybrid cards in the future.
Vandread Contamination
Ritual Spell/Trap
Its gonna get ugly as sin because Pendulums are pretty ugly imo.
In my head cannon, at the end of his story, the now Avendread Savior and his actions of saving the city had caught the attention of the HEROES and are actively trying to recruit him to their team. Perhaps we'll see a HERO version of Avendread Savior?
In a game with so many broken cards and OP combos, an archetype that can't reach that level is considered a Failure...
Q_Q
I'm curious as to if Vendreads would have been good or even a decent rogue option if it had come out a format or two earlier. A lot of these failed archetypes probably would have been strong if they had come out earlier than they had been. For all we know, this one could have been great if it came out with the first wave of Link Monsters. The banish effect could stop early Link Climbing, and popping spells and traps would have probably been a good call to hinder the enemy if they were playing something like Mirror Force to deal with Links.
It's just a shame that Vendreads have such an uphill battle going for them. It's appropriate, given the story of the archetype, but just making the main deck monsters restricted to only passing on those effects to Vendread Ritual Monsters probably would have been more than enough of a restriction to allow their effects to be passed on. Maybe this deck could be fixed with a new field spell that recurs the banished Vendreads for constant recycling, and maybe adding in some level manipulation so that they can be more effective in actually ritual summoning the cards.
But hey. At least the Vendreads are powerful in Master Duel's N/R format. That's gotta account for something.
You should do top 10 performing decks and top 10 weird tech options from 2023. Those were amazing vids when you did them for 2022
Avendread slayer is still pretty crazy. Even if he gets impermed he can still foolish a zombie for cost.
I honestly think it has huge potential, the struggle not so much the setup as much as it is just straight up bricking or only going into beat down because you drew no ritual spells or monster cards.
Its really the non ritual main deck monsters holding vendread back.
Honestly, the one change that would fix the deck and make it competitive is just make main decks that are starters (similar to diviner or aluber). I've played the deck religiously in MD and it combos fine, but no summonable starters to add consistency is why the deck suffers, it's just basic deck design. Vendread practically just copied what some xyz decks do (hence the on the field restriction), but fails because no starters.
TLDR: Vendread has no starters, just give it starters and the deck is fixed.
I am really hopeful that one day we will get another awesome ritual deck as it is my favorite form of summoning but with how much the design of rituals busts I'm not keeping my hopes up. Also I am really hopeful that the Ashened archetype turns out good, I'd love to see another "reference" archetype that is actually really viable.
A Ritual Deck that can benefit from Needlebug Nest (with Ritual Djinn)
Had fun on Switch with that one!
Top 10 DuelLogs favorite cards when?
Tenyi, tenyi and some floodgates
Please do THE WEATHER PAINTER and EVIL EYE next, mate. Im looking forward to it. Thanks.
....It may not be much but Vendreads managed to stand-in for eldlich's absence in the event. Funny how battlelord stomps Avramax spams when vampire tribute is out of question.
The main issue with this archetype is that the materials need to be on the field to give the extra effects. Sure Mezuki, Book of Life, etc facilitate that a bit but it’s still super clunky. They need to either errata the cards or make retrains that grant the effects when they’re used as material regardless of where they are. They should also make a card similar to Nouvelles “At Table” so they can recycle monsters and ritual spells from banishment (ha ha! New keyword!)
New keywords? in Yugioh? we don't do that here
@@xelius2683Piercing and excavate are 2 of the few keywords/official terms we have. Prior to PSCT, prercing was used once with the Duelist Pack: Zane reprint of Cyberdark Horn. Excavate debuted as a keyword when the Sylvans debuted. With more and more cards interacting with banished cards, out of play cards kinda needed a collective term. For example Pokemon calls where their banished cards go The Lost Zone
@@xelius2683must be a rush duels player
Its a crime we havent gotten a ritual archetype that can ritual summon using monsters from the deck
YEAAAAAAAAAH!!!
VENDREAD WAS ADDRESS AS A POWERFUL DECK IN NR FORMAT!
DuelLogs is not lying, Vendreads is a very good deck. As it is rn, the deck has suffer major hits in the banlist, but the council members are open to bring some key carda back to see if vendreads comes back to the meta
If Vendreads were frustrating to use at the start, "Duel Links" made them even more frustrating.
What surprises me is that there are fans of these cards.
I bought only one pack of Circuit Break and pulled a Vendread Chimera. A secret rare. A beyond horrible secret rare. Could have been a Borreload but guess luck wasn't on my side that day.
I had tons of fun playing the vendreads on solo mode master duel, and am building a deck
You know what would be funny is there was deck whose entire gimmick was putting and summoning rituals monsters from the extra deck.
It's so frustrating that Vendread have so many unnecessary restrictions, that only exist to bloat the cards and make them worse than their contemporary decks.
But with Vendread should have come a ruling change. Ritual spells say Equal or Exceed the level of a monster but that's NOT WHAT IT DOES it actually means:
Equal but can exceed unless the extra levels are not needed.
To this day you can't 7 lv1 monsters to summon a lv6 even though logically you should be allowed to.
Also also every Vendread monster should have been lv3 it would have solved so many issues as long as they had nothing to do with exact levels since you would gain access to a certain rank 3 that recycles banished cards.
as heavy vendread player, I think they need either better rituals, better material buffs or easier ways to get multiple materials on field
Think you can do a video about Dragunity? Either on their lore or on their archetype?
Correction at 12:00 Scar of the Vendread is the ONLY Vendread to not banish themselves after they revive which went to show that none of the other vendreads needed tgat restriction.
they made it bad on purpose to sell the meta changing deck in the same pack., Its standard Komoney shit that they are still doing. did you never realised how every deck that does not cost you an arm an leg to play is never meta. We will never have the back in days thing of 3 structures win VCs thing.
@@nsreturn1365 Scar is a good card I was talking more about how it was proof that Vendreads didn't need to Banish themselves if they used the revive effect.
In an imaginary world where Houndhorde and Revnants both had a discard cost to summon themselves from GY but didn't banish themselves when leaving the field they'd be _okay_ if they gave their inheritance of used for the summon of a Vendread anywhere and the inheritance wasn't OPT they'd have been amazing for their time since you make a ritual using them on field(or linking them off) then make a ritual by banishing them from GY and then the Vendread endboard would have upwards of 2-3 rituals that each banish a monster and a backrow for free at Quick Effect speed which honestly would have been fine for their time.
an easy way to fix all the problems would be to make the pringle monsters count as the whole tribute for the ritual summon of a Vendread Ritual Monster. That's it.
top ten ritual monsters that would be great if they weren't ritual monsters list?
Freaking heck, I got inspired by the comments section here!
XD
Might try to complete my Master Duel collection on this archetype!
messed around with the vendread loaner during the theme chronicles event and it felt clunky. considering you need the monsters on the field to grant their effects to the ritual while the ritual spells let you use the graveyard and the monsters would banish themselves or others for meh at best effects. you want to play a ritual deck that messes with the graveyard just go drytron. Scar and ravenous felt like the only that were actually doing something.
Charge is the key. It is all the gas needed to make the deck work. I played against some of those Vendread players and I saw lines they didn't where them summoning Slayer with both banish effects would have put me in a hole wouldn't have recovered from. It is a hard deck to figure out though, so I get it. Once you realize Slayers gy effect is not once per turn, it becomes easier to see the lines and grab the right ritual spells.
One thing of note was slayer makes a great climb card since it tutors a ritual spell when sent to grave
If we keep using duel log standard and count a rouge deck as a failed archetype, this series probably are going to have like 300+ ep 😂
I find it weird the concept for this archetype wasn’t done earlier since spawn was as major an inspiration for yugioh as hellboy(which also needs an archetype).
I think if they add a ritual monster that has a quick effect like return, banish or destroy a card orginal effect not from the tributed monsters. its gonna make the deck decent
Vendread Link always seemed like a sick fucking deck, I wish they leaned into that some more
Finally my favorite arc type gets a video 🎉🎉 i love these guys on duel links 😂 and the new box gave us some zombie support not the best but ill take it
Can't wait for the failed cards of Ashened. Looks like a literal dumpster fire of a deck, but hey, they're Pyro type. Hope you have your set of Bonfires!
Vendreads may not have the best stats or effects, but they definitely have some of the coolest lore and card art. Can't change my mind on that one.
Such a shame too, I liked the archetype. I’m a huge fan of spawn and when I saw vendead, I really liked it. Especially in duel links.
Fully expecting the Noble Knights to show up on this series at some point. One amazing card, plus a ton of others that have amazing art and nothing else.
you’re trippin’ noble/Infernoble one of best decks in game. Beats lab, kashtira, despia/albaz.. and that’s without Max C or Ash in deck. Most ppl who play this game are bad and only know certain plays cause of the”auto play” the game has.
@@HonestHeartsClubOG noble knights suck ass bro.
I don’t even play Yugioh no mo, but idk your videos are really interesting.
We need a vendread card to use opponents monsters as ritual material, like Despia is for fusions
Man… they looks so cool!! Wish “spawns” are still spawn lol
Maybe if they had a card that returned monsters to the GY from the banished zone, then once per turn drew a card from it, maybe even searched on activation. A Continuous Spell, to make it balanced
One of the biggest cases of "Massive waste of amazing artwork".
Crystron Rion can help returning vendreads to the GY
Video idea: top/ranking forms of protection. (Ex, non-targetable, cannot be destroyed by battle, etc..)
it really seems like vendread is good in a vacuum, like discarding cards isn't a steep cost because the deck has so much access to the GY. but then once it leaves it's vacuum and we compare it to other cards that do the same thing without hardly any cost it doesn't stack up
Certainly feel like the biggest problem with Vandread is the banish aspect of the archetype. Like you said it took away resources without giving you enough of a benefit. Without a card that can seriously utilize the banished cards the entire archetype just feels like it revolves around shooting yourself in the foot to get what amounts to, imo, a wiffle ball bat.
vendreads made a comeback recently
My favorite ritual monster yet all that was said is true. Konami needs to give ritual better boss monsters.