Full podcast episode: ruclips.net/video/J1lN9zkK_k0/видео.html Lex Fridman podcast channel: ruclips.net/user/lexfridman Guest bio: Aaron Smith-Levin is a former Scientologist, Vice President of the Aftermath Foundation, and host of the Growing Up In Scientology RUclips channel.
Paused at 4:10 or so: Attorneys, accountants and lobbyists are to a business what a military is to a nation. If you control those elements of a business, in this case that of a cult, I can definitely see how easy it would be to seize power.
That’s a really compelling way of framing the issue. The comparison has never crossed my mind but now that you’ve made it, i don’t think I’ll be forgetting it anytime soon.
Anyone that has ever been even a shift leader at subway understands this. People are falling over themselves to brown nose, flatter, cajole and manipulate their way into your good graces. To the novice it all looks like friendly relations until you read between the lines. Then people start giving you "information" masked by their own personal whims and dislikes. I always respect the person who avoids me and just does their job. That person will get far with me
It makes me wonder how Scientology would look today if Miscavige didn't take control, and Pat and Annie did. Because it really feels like After Hubbard Died, the Organization was shaped into DMs image, and is far from what Hubbard has originally envisioned
It might have been a semi-acceptable thing. Maybe it’d even have a higher number of members. It seems like Miscavige drove the damn thing into the ground.
I think he's misremembering how Hitler came to power... Did he really come to power after a "president" died, or did Hindenburg, was it, eventually come to be convinced to give power to Hitler?
Most people who demonize Scientology haven't even checked it out to know . They just take people 's word for it. Especially those who have a lot to lose if Scientology really did help people.
Miscaviage's rise is actually more like Stalin and the Communist Party, than the German equivalent. Stalin used his role as general secretary to control who could speak to Lenin and who could not. He used his position to further his own bid for power so effectively that the leader of the CCCP was furthermore known as "the general secretary", and not "president" or presidential equivelant), post-Stalin. Also, like Stalin's grasp for power, it was Trotsky who had control of the military and could have taken the reigns by force. Stalin had to resort to more Machiavellian tactics and utilised them brilliantly. Brilliantly evil, of course, but still brilliant.
FYI to the ones who don’t know- L Ron Hubbard never set out to start a religion. He was a sci fi writer struggling and tricked people… it’s a story but yeah
I went to an estate sale about a year ago and the guy was BIGTIME into Scientology and had handwritten letters from L Ron Hubbard - and he had about 6 or 7 old e-meters. He was in the Sea Org.
Scientology attorney Ken Moxon had a daughter. In 1979, Moxon and Carla Smith had a daughter, Stacy Grove Meyer.[8] Meyer died on June 25, 2000, after she fell off a ladder and was electrocuted after touching a 7,200-volt wire while working at Golden Era Productions. Inspector Colombo would say "that's a lot of coincidences, Sir". Moxon, could you get your e-meter out and ask Stacy"who were you PTS to?" Then " who postulated her death?" You wanna ask senior Scientology executives first, because the fish smells from the head. Call police. And yes, it was Savage Miscavige. Savage Miscavige held Stacy in a very low position, maintenance person. Why did Savage Miscavige do this? Ken, can you ask Miscavige if he thinks you're a wise ass, because you're an attorney? That's a motive.
I just say, lex? The man in the suit, i am blown away by your attitude, i have never seen an interviewer treat the practice of scientology independent of the church treated with such respect, its refreshing.
No I think your 100% correct they both run 5k's together backwards through corn fields, I've seen the pics on the deep web it's a scientology thing I'm pretty sure.
You know the bs I have been dealing with at work feels they were thinking they could audit me and also everywhere i go to try and cause me to look crazy to cover the cult behavior
I love the hydrogen bomb part 19xx.... It really tells you the year it was made up... The new scientology will tell you drones are actually what you need to watch out for 20xx...
You solo audit them by speaking with them internally. Holding the cans in one hand with a special attachment that acts as an insulator to prevent the Wheatstone bridge from shorting…you then run them through down the whole track using NED (New Era Dianetics) blowing off charge from various incidents on their track until the BT itself “blows”. Which is indicated by a specific meter read. One BT down, 9,999 to go lol. Oh and don’t forget about the clusters! Yeah, lol.😂
Imagine the look on someone's face after spending all this time in this cult only to hear this Xenu story if that person has any brains at all there face most drop like a rock & instantly realize that they just lived the longest episode of Punked, wow that must sting.
@@kevinkingmaker7395 every Scientologist I talk to keeps telling me that the whole Xenu and Shelly Miscavige disappearance thing is a complete distortion of the truth and because they won’t give me any evidence how that is true I don’t know what to believe
Right, the nazis used the word socialist because socialism was popular at the time. If you look at the historical facts: crushing unions, privatizing large portions of the economy, the night of the long knives etc. it's undeniable that they weren't socialists, whether you agree with socialism or not. Like is the DPRK democratic? Is the patriot act patriotic? Gotta look past just a name sometimes and dig deeper.
Hey lex do you still talk to Kaleigh she told me you 2 were buddies, she acted so strange and actions were weird while we were friends. Did she act like that with you
Damn, there are some similarities here to Falun Gong... Auditing sounds so much like the "Law Bodies" that Chinese "LRH" promises in the workbook I read from Falun Gong
brain is for sure scrambled from so much trauma and brainwashing. of course we can't humiliate these people because it truly can happen to anyone, but i always feel there is something odd about leaving a cult and then devoting your entire life to continue talking about it. on rogans interview with Adam eget who was in cedu a synanon offshoot, he says some people just can't let go.
@@fanda6122 In fairness, he hasn't simply devoted his life to talking about it. He puts his efforts in large part to getting existing members out (through the Aftermath Foundation) and, as he says, uses opportunities like this (and his channel) to bring attention to the AF. Alongside using his channel to inform why Scientology is built on a foundation of BS, he uses it to promote merch to support the foundation, and quietly assists getting Scientologists who want to leave out safely in the background. He makes particular effort to present factually accurate media content that Scientologists "on the edge" who stumble on to him through google might find difficult to discount. If he can assist in bringing the Church down while he's at it, that helps the cause. He's talked about topics in this interview I've never seen him cover on his channel, because Lex asked - likely he doesn't normally choose to indulge in those because he doesn't see them as particularly interesting or useful to his aim. So, yeah, he's still spending a lot of time talking on the subject of the "cult" he left, but when it comes from people who first-hand witnessed (and, due to disconnection policy, continue to witness) the destruction the CoS creates, I actually don't see anything negative about choosing a path that does that in the aid of helping people escape and taking the horrid thing down. I think it beats turning up to a 9-5 job you don't care about for a paycheck! A lot of these people were invested in CoS because they thought they were making the world a better place. It doesn't seem odd to me at all that once they realized that the CoS is making the world a worse place and doing harm, they turn to doing what they can to combat the church and its effect on society.
Because he can't claim they were written by L Ron because there'd be a drastic difference in writing structure and quality. Again, I left another comment. He's in so deep but he has to be otherwise he jeopardises his own power. If he wrote the "missing" levels he's just proving that right; blatant justification of holding onto his power and control of the church. He can say small additions he found in a drawer or in a vault somewhere, he can't say "Oh here we go the remainder of all the OT levels, what a shock!"
What is he going to write? Scientologists at that level are looking for profound answers to the universe, how to reach spiritual clarity, how to have peace on earth, how to never get sick, Aaron said the promise of upper OT levels is a godlike state, how the hell is David M going to write that, he can’t even tell us where his wife is?
@@ladidaohoh3168 if he was smart he would take inspiration of Buddhism and even Hinduism what with all the spiritual enlightenment, or he could watch one of those episodes of midnight gospel on how you can maintain spiritual awareness when you pass away or something I forget how that episode went but it was pretty fucking trippy and awesome
I feel like L Ron Hubbard started writing a new sci fi book. But he seen some people beleiving it. And was just like holy shit, lets see how far I can go with this. Good God people are dumb!!!
10:00 Hubbard is more a distorter than a liar. He took out of context certain Gnostic masters (as Valentinus) and their teaching to the point where everybody is just full of individual parasitic entities with their own minds, awaiting to be dealt with. That was not the original teaching at all. Just like with the Divine innate status of Man (existing in a wide array of philosophies), Hubbard took themes he could not understand completely yet and wrote about them. He used to promise what he could not comprehend himself yet. Sometimes with not so good intentions. On the other hand, I'm not a member of that church, and althought I know that the character is tricky at least, I have cured myself of a 11 months chronic back pain using his Dianetic methods by myself. Not all is good. Not all is trash.
lex, re: beliefs of cult leaders, they may all believe in a mythology that incorporates more "base thinking" things like inspiring belief but that has been presented to them in a more esoteric form.
Good to know and good stuff to look into but Holly crap this is wild. In a crazy way. Xanu or xenu or whatever his name is, sounds like Rick from Rick and morty
Is Xenu supposedly at the level of “clear” or the equivalent of OT 15 or 16 or whatever, or does he have “body thetans” attached to him too? Where is Xenu said to be now, at this very moment, all these millions and millions of years later?
I kid you not, I think Mike Rinder (ex-Scientologist who was the head of OSA) once said that, according to Hubbard, Xenu is supposed to be trapped in a high-tech prison in some remote place here on Earth.
Sometimes I feel as if we are “trapped in our bodies” and living on a “prison planet”. Of course that doesn’t mean Hubbard is right, but that part at least does seem to resonate from time to time.
I mean, Hubbard took the concept of reincarnation and bastardised that, so it makes sense he'd take a pretty base concept such as a prison existence and actually incorporate that into orthodoxy. Side note: you ever had a dream where you were in some cube that floated up and connected with other people in their own cubes? And then you woke up all scared and disorientated and freaked out? There were hundreds of us. I say dream because it wasn't scary in the moment. Sometimes I can tell a nightmare is a nightmare. But this was only a nightmare after I processed it all.
LR Hubbard (before he founded scientology) was a sci-fi writer. I'm pretty sure he based the foundations of scientology from one of the plots of his novels.
Full podcast episode: ruclips.net/video/J1lN9zkK_k0/видео.html
Lex Fridman podcast channel: ruclips.net/user/lexfridman
Guest bio: Aaron Smith-Levin is a former Scientologist, Vice President of the Aftermath Foundation, and host of the Growing Up In Scientology RUclips channel.
Stalin is to Lex as grizzly bears are to Rogan
Htlr is to lex what elk is to rogan
Mossad is to lex what the cia is to bush.
The exact same thing?
Chimps...jits...elk...weed
He's talking cults and mentioned 2 cult leaders
I guess I agree with L Ron Hubbard on one thing, I hate the IRS as well.
😂
You’ll feel much better if you go down to your local DMV and confess
Yea...they suck..Hey, I got an idea. We should get rid of thoes guys or just stop paying so they will go away.
But why? US taxes are pretty low compared to the rest of the world. Who's going to fund your army delivering freedom around the globe?
Amen to that!!
This Cult should be paying taxes.
Aaron knows what he's talking about. All of us that have been in KNOW that. I was there late 60's to late 70's. IT IS MOST DEFINITELY A CULT.
This guy has the best take on Scientology. I have seen him on several other channels, including his own, and is very insightful.
Paused at 4:10 or so: Attorneys, accountants and lobbyists are to a business what a military is to a nation. If you control those elements of a business, in this case that of a cult, I can definitely see how easy it would be to seize power.
That’s a really compelling way of framing the issue. The comparison has never crossed my mind but now that you’ve made it, i don’t think I’ll be forgetting it anytime soon.
This is such a great way to explain it
Well said, tankered1847!
What a goofy cult
Goofy. Dangerous. Soul-sucking, wealth extorting, tax evading, life destroying bad-ass cult.
Run, don’t walk away from this one. Run!
Couldn’t Scientology utilize ChatGPT to put together course material?
Not going to lie. This is going to make one sick game
I was thinking the same! Like this story plot would make a great sci-fi video game or sci-fi series haha.
@@danieljr974I think the founder was a science fiction writer or something lol
@@justyc3he wrote pulp science fiction
Maybe Blizzard will make it an expansion.
World of Warcraft: The Cult of Scientology
@@justyc3yeah he wrote battlefield earth
This was a great interview. You should definitely speak with Mike Rinder.
Anyone that has ever been even a shift leader at subway understands this. People are falling over themselves to brown nose, flatter, cajole and manipulate their way into your good graces. To the novice it all looks like friendly relations until you read between the lines. Then people start giving you "information" masked by their own personal whims and dislikes. I always respect the person who avoids me and just does their job. That person will get far with me
i wish my managers were as sane as you
People care more for others approval than their own pride.
Is this a copypasta
Always a pleasure to watch. Great job.
So this is why Tom Cruise didn't want to be in the MCU because Thanos was basically Xenu
Nah not really. Thanos didn't have h-bombs
Kids don’t like Tom cruise that’s why he wasn’t in it
A religion created by a science fiction writer? Red flag! Hello! Is there anyone home?
A Aron is a legend !
This is why i love your podcast Lex! Maaaaaaaaan i allways wanted to hear about this
lol Jack Parsons of jet propulsion laboratories fame had 10k and his girlfriend stolen from him by Hubbard.
LRH stole his sailboat too.
Thanks Aaron, I remember watching you years ago. Great teacher of this topic.
It makes me wonder how Scientology would look today if Miscavige didn't take control, and Pat and Annie did.
Because it really feels like After Hubbard Died, the Organization was shaped into DMs image, and is far from what Hubbard has originally envisioned
It might have been a semi-acceptable thing. Maybe it’d even have a higher number of members. It seems like Miscavige drove the damn thing into the ground.
So Xenu is less impressive Thanos 🤔.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thanos needed bulshit magical gems, while Xenu just needed a threat everyone with a tax audit.
Xenu >>>>> simp boy thanos
Bro 1hr in a church on Sunday morning is to much for me who the hell would put themselves through this nonsense. Wow
it doesn't matter what Lex discusses, he always goes back to talking about Hitler lol
I think he's misremembering how Hitler came to power... Did he really come to power after a "president" died, or did Hindenburg, was it, eventually come to be convinced to give power to Hitler?
Lex and those like him are obsessed with Hitler and the Nazis! It is not a healthy way of thinking!
Great interview, you must invite him back, Mike Rinder too. DM needs to be exposed 👀
At 9:52 - Lex’s reaction is priceless 😂😂
Absolute insanity to the highest level of psychopathy!!!
Like most religion's?
Yes David miscavige has those ted bundy vibes
Bull shit it has helped more people than all the other religions and psychology put together.
Most people who demonize Scientology haven't even checked it out to know . They just take people 's word for it. Especially those who have a lot to lose if Scientology really did help people.
@@stuartmccoll4749lmfao
Miscaviage's rise is actually more like Stalin and the Communist Party, than the German equivalent. Stalin used his role as general secretary to control who could speak to Lenin and who could not. He used his position to further his own bid for power so effectively that the leader of the CCCP was furthermore known as "the general secretary", and not "president" or presidential equivelant), post-Stalin.
Also, like Stalin's grasp for power, it was Trotsky who had control of the military and could have taken the reigns by force. Stalin had to resort to more Machiavellian tactics and utilised them brilliantly. Brilliantly evil, of course, but still brilliant.
Scientology sounds like what it was first intended to be. A sci-fi novel with a garbage plot.
Next your going to tell me that starwars is sci-fi.😝
There probably is something in the vault which amounts to an unfinished poor quality science fiction book.
FYI to the ones who don’t know- L Ron Hubbard never set out to start a religion. He was a sci fi writer struggling and tricked people… it’s a story but yeah
I went to an estate sale about a year ago and the guy was BIGTIME into Scientology and had handwritten letters from L Ron Hubbard - and he had about 6 or 7 old e-meters. He was in the Sea Org.
We’re the letters for sale??
Coo coo
Scientology attorney Ken Moxon had a daughter. In 1979, Moxon and Carla Smith had a daughter, Stacy Grove Meyer.[8] Meyer died on June 25, 2000, after she fell off a ladder and was electrocuted after touching a 7,200-volt wire while working at Golden Era Productions.
Inspector Colombo would say "that's a lot of coincidences, Sir".
Moxon, could you get your e-meter out and ask Stacy"who were you PTS to?" Then " who postulated her death?" You wanna ask senior Scientology executives first, because the fish smells from the head. Call police. And yes, it was Savage Miscavige. Savage Miscavige held Stacy in a very low position, maintenance person.
Why did Savage Miscavige do this?
Ken, can you ask Miscavige if he thinks you're a wise ass, because you're an attorney? That's a motive.
I just say, lex? The man in the suit, i am blown away by your attitude, i have never seen an interviewer treat the practice of scientology independent of the church treated with such respect, its refreshing.
why does need to be respectful to something so wicked that aims to use people
I say David miscavige is gay for Tom Cruise. Prove me wrong!
By all accounts, he is asexual
I don’t think David is gay but 20 bucks is 20 bucks.
No I think your 100% correct they both run 5k's together backwards through corn fields, I've seen the pics on the deep web it's a scientology thing I'm pretty sure.
Thanks
Stalin started out as the party secretary
"psyke"!!! That reminds me so much of the 90s!🙂
I seen lex in the lobby of a Scientology building a week after this episode
You know the bs I have been dealing with at work feels they were thinking they could audit me and also everywhere i go to try and cause me to look crazy to cover the cult behavior
Listening to this makes me feel really sane
I love the hydrogen bomb part 19xx....
It really tells you the year it was made up...
The new scientology will tell you drones are actually what you need to watch out for 20xx...
No… It will be that AI has been taken over by BT’s,thetans and more bad betas to activate Skynet
It’s insulting that an organization of lunatics doesn’t have to pay taxes, but I do.
GUYS GUYS HE SLIPPED 19:12
Insanity!
I bet Maverick knows where Shelley Miscavige is!
Good one
So what do you have to do to get rid of the BT’s?
shake it baby!
OT 3 has it's own "tech" of "setting them free" or "clearing" them and OT 5 and 7 is a different "tech" for doing the same.
You solo audit them by speaking with them internally. Holding the cans in one hand with a special attachment that acts as an insulator to prevent the Wheatstone bridge from shorting…you then run them through down the whole track using NED (New Era Dianetics) blowing off charge from various incidents on their track until the BT itself “blows”. Which is indicated by a specific meter read. One BT down, 9,999 to go lol. Oh and don’t forget about the clusters!
Yeah, lol.😂
😂😂
@@marykahn6803😂
Did anybody else think of Clash of Clans when he mentioned OT levels 1 through 15?
How many times have I listened to this podcast… yes hahah 😅
Where is lex from? I can't place the accent.
Imagine the look on someone's face after spending all this time in this cult only to hear this Xenu story if that person has any brains at all there face most drop like a rock & instantly realize that they just lived the longest episode of Punked, wow that must sting.
How does doing good and being corrupt work together.
It doesn’t
Serious question: Is Lex consuming large quantities of cough syrup?
Isn’t the main problem, they are ripping off thousands or millions for their ideas?
So basically Scientology is a fake wild goose chase 😂😂😂
Very expensive wild goose chase.
@@kevinkingmaker7395 every Scientologist I talk to keeps telling me that the whole Xenu and Shelly Miscavige disappearance thing is a complete distortion of the truth and because they won’t give me any evidence how that is true I don’t know what to believe
Duh
@@jasongorman5757umm not Scientologists
The night of the long knives purged the socialist Nazis.
Right, the nazis used the word socialist because socialism was popular at the time. If you look at the historical facts: crushing unions, privatizing large portions of the economy, the night of the long knives etc. it's undeniable that they weren't socialists, whether you agree with socialism or not. Like is the DPRK democratic? Is the patriot act patriotic? Gotta look past just a name sometimes and dig deeper.
Try telling a lie to yourself over and over again for 30 years and end up remembering it’s bullshit. Not gonna happen.
Didn't David Miscavige eat Lron, that's what I've always assumed.
Hey lex do you still talk to Kaleigh she told me you 2 were buddies, she acted so strange and actions were weird while we were friends. Did she act like that with you
Lex, you’re podcast is the ISH
that adults actually believe in this horshit is amazing
Damn, there are some similarities here to Falun Gong...
Auditing sounds so much like the "Law Bodies" that Chinese "LRH" promises in the workbook I read from Falun Gong
I feel like anytime lex talks all I think is "yeah that's what he was saying..."
10:31 I'm with you Lex! Let's explore this deeply!
This guy talks so fast I have to check my RUclips playback speed every time I watch clips from the convo. Surprised he’s still articulate haha.
brain is for sure scrambled from so much trauma and brainwashing. of course we can't humiliate these people because it truly can happen to anyone, but i always feel there is something odd about leaving a cult and then devoting your entire life to continue talking about it. on rogans interview with Adam eget who was in cedu a synanon offshoot, he says some people just can't let go.
@@fanda6122 In fairness, he hasn't simply devoted his life to talking about it. He puts his efforts in large part to getting existing members out (through the Aftermath Foundation) and, as he says, uses opportunities like this (and his channel) to bring attention to the AF.
Alongside using his channel to inform why Scientology is built on a foundation of BS, he uses it to promote merch to support the foundation, and quietly assists getting Scientologists who want to leave out safely in the background. He makes particular effort to present factually accurate media content that Scientologists "on the edge" who stumble on to him through google might find difficult to discount. If he can assist in bringing the Church down while he's at it, that helps the cause.
He's talked about topics in this interview I've never seen him cover on his channel, because Lex asked - likely he doesn't normally choose to indulge in those because he doesn't see them as particularly interesting or useful to his aim.
So, yeah, he's still spending a lot of time talking on the subject of the "cult" he left, but when it comes from people who first-hand witnessed (and, due to disconnection policy, continue to witness) the destruction the CoS creates, I actually don't see anything negative about choosing a path that does that in the aid of helping people escape and taking the horrid thing down. I think it beats turning up to a 9-5 job you don't care about for a paycheck!
A lot of these people were invested in CoS because they thought they were making the world a better place. It doesn't seem odd to me at all that once they realized that the CoS is making the world a worse place and doing harm, they turn to doing what they can to combat the church and its effect on society.
Hubbard just made it up as he went along. Surprise!!!
Why doesn't David Miscavige leave his legacy by creating/writing OT9, OT10, etc?
Because he can't claim they were written by L Ron because there'd be a drastic difference in writing structure and quality. Again, I left another comment. He's in so deep but he has to be otherwise he jeopardises his own power. If he wrote the "missing" levels he's just proving that right; blatant justification of holding onto his power and control of the church. He can say small additions he found in a drawer or in a vault somewhere, he can't say "Oh here we go the remainder of all the OT levels, what a shock!"
What is he going to write? Scientologists at that level are looking for profound answers to the universe, how to reach spiritual clarity, how to have peace on earth, how to never get sick, Aaron said the promise of upper OT levels is a godlike state, how the hell is David M going to write that, he can’t even tell us where his wife is?
@@ladidaohoh3168 if he was smart he would take inspiration of Buddhism and even Hinduism what with all the spiritual enlightenment, or he could watch one of those episodes of midnight gospel on how you can maintain spiritual awareness when you pass away or something I forget how that episode went but it was pretty fucking trippy and awesome
Dude is cooked up...
Fun fact did you kno LRH was actually a crip gang member
Scientology sounds awesome! Where do I sign up? 🤣
You don't, you 'sign off.'
LRH=Lenin
DM= Stalin
Pat Broeker= Trotsky
Sounds like a miscavige of justice 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That quote came from Jock Ewing
Xenu's homies
Kyro needs to hear this lmao what the?? He did his people dirty.
This sounds like a southpark episode…
BT's are in the game Death Stranding. They are soul like entities :)
Wow. This all sounds so extremely similar to Islam and Roman Catholicism. Mechanized religion.
All religion is stupid. This is the stupidest
I feel like L Ron Hubbard started writing a new sci fi book. But he seen some people beleiving it. And was just like holy shit, lets see how far I can go with this. Good God people are dumb!!!
The zenu story kinda reminds me of the Genesis song get um out by Friday lol
10:00 Hubbard is more a distorter than a liar. He took out of context certain Gnostic masters (as Valentinus) and their teaching to the point where everybody is just full of individual parasitic entities with their own minds, awaiting to be dealt with. That was not the original teaching at all. Just like with the Divine innate status of Man (existing in a wide array of philosophies), Hubbard took themes he could not understand completely yet and wrote about them. He used to promise what he could not comprehend himself yet. Sometimes with not so good intentions.
On the other hand, I'm not a member of that church, and althought I know that the character is tricky at least, I have cured myself of a 11 months chronic back pain using his Dianetic methods by myself.
Not all is good. Not all is trash.
It’s all trash
Young people in UK as right wing as people in their 40's, now we know why the BBC and UK lamestream media have been going after Andrew Tate .
Lol are theatens the reason people are grounding their beds now?
Lex was definitely high
Have a chat gpt 4 finish Hubbard's writing.
lex, re: beliefs of cult leaders, they may all believe in a mythology that incorporates more "base thinking" things like inspiring belief but that has been presented to them in a more esoteric form.
But still it is very appealing to Hollywood stars
4:49 who is still alive? I can understand the name
can't*
Now were All SP's
Seems logical....
makes sense
Saddam Hussein did the same thing…publicly on full display…
Good to know and good stuff to look into but Holly crap this is wild. In a crazy way. Xanu or xenu or whatever his name is, sounds like Rick from Rick and morty
Sounds very plausible and not all like the imagination of a science fiction writer 😀
'' PSYCH'' gets very annoying.
A ron
I bet all my excess thetans that Tom Cruise will lead all to the promised land.
Is Xenu supposedly at the level of “clear” or the equivalent of OT 15 or 16 or whatever, or does he have “body thetans” attached to him too? Where is Xenu said to be now, at this very moment, all these millions and millions of years later?
Send me 500$, I'll tell you all about it 🤪
I got body thetans once. Made me itch. Had to go to the doctor to get rid of them.
I kid you not, I think Mike Rinder (ex-Scientologist who was the head of OSA) once said that, according to Hubbard, Xenu is supposed to be trapped in a high-tech prison in some remote place here on Earth.
@@merchantofchaos088so you mean Magneto is in Colorado?
Sometimes I feel as if we are “trapped in our bodies” and living on a “prison planet”. Of course that doesn’t mean Hubbard is right, but that part at least does seem to resonate from time to time.
I mean, Hubbard took the concept of reincarnation and bastardised that, so it makes sense he'd take a pretty base concept such as a prison existence and actually incorporate that into orthodoxy.
Side note: you ever had a dream where you were in some cube that floated up and connected with other people in their own cubes? And then you woke up all scared and disorientated and freaked out? There were hundreds of us. I say dream because it wasn't scary in the moment. Sometimes I can tell a nightmare is a nightmare. But this was only a nightmare after I processed it all.
It's a Hermetic concept
And educated people buy into this?
I'm a zone plane 8 😏
This guy explaining Scientology sounds like a bad script for a sci-fi movie
Because it essentially was.
LR Hubbard (before he founded scientology) was a sci-fi writer. I'm pretty sure he based the foundations of scientology from one of the plots of his novels.
@@BRLambert4 ya learn something new everyday, makes sense.
@@BRLambert4All he did is borrow concepts from the three existing monotheistic religions. I mean BT’s = Demons… Thetans=Nephilim… Xenu= Satan…