This video nails the early history of the crew battles, and I can't tell you how much it means to see the video dedicated to KishCubed. Great watch with amazing attention to detail. Thank you!
@@luke5896 To think I could have been a Smash Pro! But I guess networking is pretty fun too 😉 Thanks for this comment, it made my day 😂 All the best on your ENCOR!
To give more context about this time period: This is actually similar gameplay to how I played a lot of that year, the only difference being which matches were and weren't recorded, and/or which were uploaded to the internet or not, so I have less credibility than I should have had for that year due to pure bad luck in that aspect (I've said this many times, but it gets memed on because I can't prove it, or have less data to prove it than I should have had). IMO my best performance this year was the 9-0 vs ChuDat/PC Chris in LF/GFs of FC:Diamond the week before this, where I had crowd cheering and strong mental state, and managed to get multiple 2 and 3 stocks on them (low % with both of the 3 stocks on each player actually), making that tournament my best lifetime performance against both Chu Dat and PC Chris. I was really excited at how I played during that tournament, and couldn't wait for the matches to be uploaded online so I could show the world how great I can be at my best, only to find out that the videos were not properly saved, and would never be uploaded. I became extremely devastated and depressed after learning about that (but I didn't learn about it until a few weeks or months after it happened), since 90% of the reason I played was to show the world how great I was or could be. I'm not lying when I say that I played better at the end of that tournament than half the sets I played a decade later, and I'm not speaking only relatively either. I believe it's because I was solely focused on Melee then, without Brawl (which game out 7 months later) or other games (or life goals like college or anything else etc) to distract me from my goal of being as good as I could be at Melee at that time. Will elaborate more when my book comes out (yes it is still happening eventually 100%, I've just been focused on so many other things lately, so it's significantly more delayed than expected).
Don't let this big comment distract you from the fact that m2k didnt even win this tournament where the crew battle took place, losing to PC Chris in grands.
@@kingarthur3236 okay and? That doesn’t take away from how good he was back then, even the best of the best don’t win every single tournament. You don’t see MkLeo three stocking all of his opponents and winning every super major tourney
Another thing to note is that oldschool Melee was on "vanilla" Melee, so things like consistent dash back, pivots, shield drops etc were all not possible (this is why things like spotdodge were a bigger part of the game because you could risk missing dashback randomly and get shield grabbed just from bad luck. Doing what Zain does for example (the best of both worlds with dashback and pivots) is 100% not possible in most of Melee's lifespan[2002-2016/18] basically because of vanilla Melee restrictions (UCF/Slippi recodes the game to make dashback work on any controller with no luck involved). Since we're all spoiled nowadays by things such as UCF, Slippi, controller modders, and free access to information and various resources (can simply look up the "correct answer" by watching another pro do something), it's likely hard for most to imagine the limitations/restrictions of the past, in both what can be done consistently and free access to information.
Oh wow, a Melee mini-doc focusing on crew battles? This format has a TON of interesting history that a lot of people nowadays just don't know about, so it's super cool to see you giving it some spotlight!
Imagine if they all heard this voiceover mid match. “And this would be the last stock he would take in this crew battle.” “I’m sorry what?” *M2K noises*
16:23 honestly, if the quality was higher and the names weren't displayed up top, I would've believed this interaction were from two noob marths on slippi unranked.
Walt usually does like changing one or two things in the background of stuff he has showing while he does a voice over, I'm guessing it's just that since the cutout of hbox is done more poorly than in all the other people there. Would be funny if that's the case though lol
The big bob No, that was actually in the real event. At Smash Rivalries, Hungrybox wasn't available for photos in time so they had to Photoshop him in. ruclips.net/video/duamK_hDskc/видео.html
@@MeesterTweester Oh okay! I didn't actually know that. I stand corrected, thanks for even giving a link too. (Shit now I gotta watch this video again to see where the funny addition Walt put in was)
2007 m2ks marth just brang smart and in modern melee age "normal play" to the table. Standart situations like a optimized chaingrab on fd, a down throw gimp or good ledge options were all more or less invented by him
More so how at that point he was solely dedicated to being the best at melee and ever since 2007 he’s been having to juggle multiple games while his competitors in each respective game didn’t.
Yeah mentality, ambition, but also execution. He mentions that what he means by 2007 m2k is that that was the peak of his techskill/execution - everything he wanted to do, he did correctly.
It’s less that he was better then and more so better relative to the others around him. Pretty much everything has an upward trajectory in terms of achievement, so you have to judge it based on the time period.
15:00 walt: (In reference to the crew battle performance) “im at a complete loss for words” also walt: *curates a 20 minute documentary on said subject* 😭
gosh as someone who has participated in melee crew battles before, i can say u feel so hype n connected to ur team :) luv to hear da awesome history of crew battles! turndownforwalt never disappoints :')
High quality production and storytelling as always. Love seeing old melee relived for modern times For those who also want to see another amazing crew battle performance, watch mang0 at the west coast vs east coast mlg anaheim 2015 crew battle where he took 8 stocks off 3 gods
How did i not know of this!? Great video, these are the legendary things in video game history we should remember and enjoy as gamers. Stuff never before seen and possibly never again to occur. Respect to everyone who participated in the event, as the skill of opponents is what sets the stage for an epic showdown in the first place.
Can confirm - this is the only part of the tourny people were talking about afterwards. It was most certainly a meta-changing moment and helped usher in the modern era of Melee.
Loving the content man! Also loving your commentary work you have done recently, keep it up mang, I can see a big eSports org picking you up for content creation, would be so dope if you could get sponsored
Awesome video! The only thing I'm not a huge fan of is how the narrative of the video suggests that this crews performance was seen as more important than PC Chris winning the tourney or m2k winning FCD the week before. Everyone on Ken's crew was pretty washed at this point, so this wasn't all that surprising at the time.
I like how mew2king can take 16 fucking stocks, then just not quite be able to clench blasting through the top players in the world twice. Then everyone tries to hold that against him. Whaaat he couldn't 2 stock all 4 of them again?? He must suck
It's said that when Mew2king was born, his hands were seen making quick, erratic movements. It's been later revealed that these movements mere manifestations of melee tech Mew2king religiously practiced....Years before Smash was even conceived as a concept
He won 2-1 in Winners Finals to make it to Grand Finals. PC Chris made it back to Grands through the Losers Bracket and ultimately won the singles bracket
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This video nails the early history of the crew battles, and I can't tell you how much it means to see the video dedicated to KishCubed. Great watch with amazing attention to detail. Thank you!
So happy to see this from you. I’m very glad you enjoyed!
@@luke5896 To think I could have been a Smash Pro! But I guess networking is pretty fun too 😉
Thanks for this comment, it made my day 😂 All the best on your ENCOR!
To give more context about this time period: This is actually similar gameplay to how I played a lot of that year, the only difference being which matches were and weren't recorded, and/or which were uploaded to the internet or not, so I have less credibility than I should have had for that year due to pure bad luck in that aspect (I've said this many times, but it gets memed on because I can't prove it, or have less data to prove it than I should have had). IMO my best performance this year was the 9-0 vs ChuDat/PC Chris in LF/GFs of FC:Diamond the week before this, where I had crowd cheering and strong mental state, and managed to get multiple 2 and 3 stocks on them (low % with both of the 3 stocks on each player actually), making that tournament my best lifetime performance against both Chu Dat and PC Chris. I was really excited at how I played during that tournament, and couldn't wait for the matches to be uploaded online so I could show the world how great I can be at my best, only to find out that the videos were not properly saved, and would never be uploaded. I became extremely devastated and depressed after learning about that (but I didn't learn about it until a few weeks or months after it happened), since 90% of the reason I played was to show the world how great I was or could be. I'm not lying when I say that I played better at the end of that tournament than half the sets I played a decade later, and I'm not speaking only relatively either. I believe it's because I was solely focused on Melee then, without Brawl (which game out 7 months later) or other games (or life goals like college or anything else etc) to distract me from my goal of being as good as I could be at Melee at that time. Will elaborate more when my book comes out (yes it is still happening eventually 100%, I've just been focused on so many other things lately, so it's significantly more delayed than expected).
LoL m2k. I love you man, bless you
THATS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT
THATS WHY HE'S THE MVP
THATS WHY HE'S THE GOAT
THE GOAAAAAAT
Don't let this big comment distract you from the fact that m2k didnt even win this tournament where the crew battle took place, losing to PC Chris in grands.
@@kingarthur3236 okay and? That doesn’t take away from how good he was back then, even the best of the best don’t win every single tournament. You don’t see MkLeo three stocking all of his opponents and winning every super major tourney
Another thing to note is that oldschool Melee was on "vanilla" Melee, so things like consistent dash back, pivots, shield drops etc were all not possible (this is why things like spotdodge were a bigger part of the game because you could risk missing dashback randomly and get shield grabbed just from bad luck. Doing what Zain does for example (the best of both worlds with dashback and pivots) is 100% not possible in most of Melee's lifespan[2002-2016/18] basically because of vanilla Melee restrictions (UCF/Slippi recodes the game to make dashback work on any controller with no luck involved). Since we're all spoiled nowadays by things such as UCF, Slippi, controller modders, and free access to information and various resources (can simply look up the "correct answer" by watching another pro do something), it's likely hard for most to imagine the limitations/restrictions of the past, in both what can be done consistently and free access to information.
Oh wow, a Melee mini-doc focusing on crew battles? This format has a TON of interesting history that a lot of people nowadays just don't know about, so it's super cool to see you giving it some spotlight!
What are some must watch crew battles I should watch as a pretty new melee fan
@@Michael-hc2hp Thanks man
@@Matthew.Morcos No problem! Always happy to help someone get more invested into Melee
Look up Allston Melee's to 10 videos. That have a bunch, and (at least) one of them is focused on crews and the players in them!
*top 10
Imagine if they all heard this voiceover mid match.
“And this would be the last stock he would take in this crew battle.”
“I’m sorry what?”
*M2K noises*
"The birth of modern melee" gave me goosebumps for some reason. Is M2K our Prometheus?
The real reason we all have arthritis now
I mean, he did steal grame data and character weight from the silent developers of the game
@@TocloseamI omg
When M2K sweeps one of the best crew is honestly the sickest and funniest thing in hyped up melee
Me when this would be the last stock I would take in this crew battle
Holy shit, you're such a legendary creator man.
another reason to like igp hell yeah
The chad himself
IGP watching (incredibly good and super interesting) melee content? Let's go
I like the idea that Ken does this and then thinks, "I'mma go on Survivor".
LOL I know right?
Borp's run at the crew battle in fight pitt iv is a close second.
Borp Pog
Was gonna say
Actual facts
The hidden sixth god
Hugs86 had a pretty impressive showing at the Smash Summit 11 commentator crew battle
I mean, Hugs is a tourney player...
16:23
honestly, if the quality was higher and the names weren't displayed up top, I would've believed this interaction were from two noob marths on slippi unranked.
Lmao.
4:17 I like how everyone's serious then there's just hbox
You just got got.
Walt usually does like changing one or two things in the background of stuff he has showing while he does a voice over, I'm guessing it's just that since the cutout of hbox is done more poorly than in all the other people there. Would be funny if that's the case though lol
The big bob No, that was actually in the real event. At Smash Rivalries, Hungrybox wasn't available for photos in time so they had to Photoshop him in. ruclips.net/video/duamK_hDskc/видео.html
@@MeesterTweester Oh okay! I didn't actually know that. I stand corrected, thanks for even giving a link too. (Shit now I gotta watch this video again to see where the funny addition Walt put in was)
The big bob You're welcome, I heard about it when it happened then
and here I thought the Summit 11 Crews was one sided
2007 m2ks marth just brang smart and in modern melee age "normal play" to the table. Standart situations like a optimized chaingrab on fd, a down throw gimp or good ledge options were all more or less invented by him
I feel like when m2k talks about 2007 m2k he's talking about his mentality and ambition. Probably not but if he is it would actually make sense
More so how at that point he was solely dedicated to being the best at melee and ever since 2007 he’s been having to juggle multiple games while his competitors in each respective game didn’t.
@@colinmurphy2214 I mean hbox and wizzy kinda do that now, and it's not like he has to focus melee and the newest one, it's a choice (same with hbox)
Yeah mentality, ambition, but also execution. He mentions that what he means by 2007 m2k is that that was the peak of his techskill/execution - everything he wanted to do, he did correctly.
It’s less that he was better then and more so better relative to the others around him. Pretty much everything has an upward trajectory in terms of achievement, so you have to judge it based on the time period.
i will be an m2k fan forever. this man has so many highlights it's ridiculous.
Your growth as a creator over the past year or so has been really inspiring.
ngl this might actually be the most impressive thing m2k has ever done, like this is absurd even for him.
"This would be the last stock _ would take in the crew battle" is SUCH a cool line
I thought it was pretty cringe. It's the only match with that opponent of the crew battle anyway
@@evanpowers1537Okay, I'm sorry you're too jaded to enjoy cool lines? That's literally the point
@@NZsaltz it's not a cool line. it sucked. you are easy 2 pleez hun
@@evanpowers1537 Well now you're just being rude.
@@evanpowers1537 You don't please anybody.
15:00
walt: (In reference to the crew battle performance) “im at a complete loss for words”
also walt: *curates a 20 minute documentary on said subject* 😭
gosh as someone who has participated in melee crew battles before, i can say u feel so hype n connected to ur team :) luv to hear da awesome history of crew battles! turndownforwalt never disappoints :')
Hell yeah
Hadn’t heard this story, great video dude!
Haven't watched it yet but I know it will be worth my time
This is incredibly thorough and impressive, and you didn't even lump me in as a Kish. Great content.
Champion of the frozen wastes right here
My first time hearing of gahtzu was during the us vs the world crew battle that was one of the best crew performances i seen…
i come back to this video every now and then and just admire the brilliance of the editing and also mew2kings pure skill
Damn, M2K really said what is a king to a god
Crews needs a lot more love these days. Such a fun and interesting format
Scar would love this he's a huge M2K fan especially for this time period.
I love your writing style. The "this is the last stock so and so took" pattern gave me chills and made me laugh.
One of the first crew battles had a similar interesting occurrence with Isai becoming motivated and taking 15 stocks.
This doc is amazingg omfg the "This would be the last stock (player name) would take in this crew battle" gave chills lol. Good shit walt lol
everyone gangsta till the camera zooms in and says "this will be the last stock they would take" 💀
it is actually insane how he manages to keep you interested throughout the whole vid, this man is what this community deserves!
yet another amazing video from one of my favorite creators. The content you make is constantly high quality and I love what you do.
legendary video about legendary performance from legendary creator :B
Wooo another TDFW video!!! Thank you for making melee content for the whole scene to enjoy!
High quality production and storytelling as always. Love seeing old melee relived for modern times
For those who also want to see another amazing crew battle performance, watch mang0 at the west coast vs east coast mlg anaheim 2015 crew battle where he took 8 stocks off 3 gods
How did i not know of this!? Great video, these are the legendary things in video game history we should remember and enjoy as gamers. Stuff never before seen and possibly never again to occur. Respect to everyone who participated in the event, as the skill of opponents is what sets the stage for an epic showdown in the first place.
hit the hbox pop-off when i saw walt uploaded, sick as usual
This was amazing content! Learning about these great, yet, little talked about moments in the history of the game is so interesting, keep it up
14:04
Ancient bair side b regrab technology that stango brought back to practice a few years back
Holy shit, I knew M2K was good, but I didn’t know he was THIS good
He's the first of the Five Gods of Melee, after all
god i love this channel. most polished melee content on youtube 1000%
The Kishes are legends here in the SB smash community. They’re awesome guys.
Can confirm - this is the only part of the tourny people were talking about afterwards. It was most certainly a meta-changing moment and helped usher in the modern era of Melee.
I love you. Like really love you. Your voice makes me feel things I thought I never could.
This feels like a Secret Base / Jon Bois video ;) Love it.
Why the fuck is this vid such high quality? Good shit man.
Disappointed that it’s not Bloke Cinco’s comeback in the 2015 The Melee Games match between University of Houston and University of Texas at Austin
15:14 you had 2 sneak that in🤣🤣🤣, love it
Walt commentating my life: "This would be the last stock he would take in his career."
Wow! I just watched a master at his craft. I think I like crews infinitely more now, thanks TDFW.
Melee seems to have an infinite number of epic storylines
Amazing as usual, more crews content for sure!
Wow I never heard of this incredible little tidbit of melee history. Great production value as always Walt!
Its crazy to think 3 out of the 5 gods are retired
intro gave me shivers gj, very well done
Loving the content man!
Also loving your commentary work you have done recently, keep it up mang, I can see a big eSports org picking you up for content creation, would be so dope if you could get sponsored
Thank you!
@@turndownforwalt I knew it would happen, seeing PG picking you up is you hype!
Congratulations my dude, so happy for you
the scripts and voiceover in your videos is always amazing walt
Holy shit, the motion graphic explaining how crew battles work was SO clean
I love the way you edit these videos
9:50 yoo reversing the clip and going for a zoom-in would've been dope there
goddamn dude this is such a legendary documentary. can't believe i'd never heard about this before
Crews are hype! I wish more tournaments featured them.
clip of isai at 12:16 is hella wholesome lol
Great video as always
Lets goooo been looking forward to this video for a while
Only melee channel busting out melee facts I didn't know about. Your frame perfect 100/100 times like 2007 m2k.
Lol, I’m in that 0c2 pic!! Ahhh.. thank you NEAL DT. I defeated isai in singles, or should I say, he beat himself. He didn’t try at all
"The birth of modern Melee"
Thats just perfect.
I think this video is so Interesting and well made I love your vids so much.
16:22 thats the marth thing ive ever fuckin seen holy shit that actually made me giggle out loud
My favorite crew battle win was a falcon player named Equal who literally won an entire crew battle solo I wish I could find the vod.
Awesome video! The only thing I'm not a huge fan of is how the narrative of the video suggests that this crews performance was seen as more important than PC Chris winning the tourney or m2k winning FCD the week before. Everyone on Ken's crew was pretty washed at this point, so this wasn't all that surprising at the time.
I like how mew2king can take 16 fucking stocks, then just not quite be able to clench blasting through the top players in the world twice. Then everyone tries to hold that against him. Whaaat he couldn't 2 stock all 4 of them again?? He must suck
still so well made even with 2007 clips/vods
This also kind of reminds me at thevstart of crew battles when Isai steamrolled through a whole crew almost lol
It's said that when Mew2king was born, his hands were seen making quick, erratic movements. It's been later revealed that these movements mere manifestations of melee tech Mew2king religiously practiced....Years before Smash was even conceived as a concept
We need to bring back crew battles it’s honestly the sickest thing in melee
Excellent now I can finally feed myself
These are some of the longest dramatic pauses in the history of media.
YOUVE GOT TO REVIEW MANG0s run in the East Coast vs West Coast crew battle at MLG!
I love how I knew what this video was about before I even clicked it. Don't sleep on the first God
Awesome video !
Wow this is amazing
“This will be the last stock…” needs to be a shirt. 😂😂
Bro this performance is unbelivable. I didn't know that and M2K is my favorite player
5:11 the picture I almost wasnt in.
16:03 this part confuses me. M2k went 2-1 victory but got second? Also a runback? How?
He won 2-1 in Winners Finals to make it to Grand Finals. PC Chris made it back to Grands through the Losers Bracket and ultimately won the singles bracket
Dude, this intro’s got me so hyped.
that pic of mew :40 seconds is priceless
Very few people know exactly how good M2K is. M2k is not one of them. PC Chris is.
Lmao
crazy high video quality
16:22 LMAOOOO WHAT ARE THOSE GRABS
The dk vs ganon Crew battle was amazing!
Ah yes, the Robot. Jason “Mew2King” Zimmerman, Smash god and meme master.
holy shit, what a great history lesson! FANTASIC VIDEO!!!!!!
This would be the last Behemoth Typhoon Goldlewis Dickinson would use in this set.