For another possibility, which would only be obvious to Japanese readers, the "Kinkaku Unit" might only be called that because of the meaning of the name/word "Kinkaku". Kinkaku can be translated as "gold pavilion", and Ginkaku can be translated as "silver pavilion", hence their nickname of "the gold and silver brothers". With this in mind, the "Kinkaku unit" might possibly just be referring to them as the Cloud's "golden unit", aka the strongest ninja/strongest unit in the cloud village. After all, you'd probably wanna send your strongest unit on the mission to assassinate the Second Hokage lol, especially if these are the same guys who restrained the nine tails temporarily in the past. They might even be the same crew that restrained the 8 tails whenever it went on a rampage too. That's not to say that Tobirama is just calling them the "golden unit", that might be their official name in the Cloud Village, but they might have come up with the name in reference to the word "golden/kinkaku", rather than the name of the infamous criminal known as "Kinkaku". In which case, Kinkaku doesn't actually need to currently be in the unit or have ever been in the unit before (though I wouldn't be surprised if he once was before he became a rogue ninja), and the same goes for Ginkaku. The bigger problem is the fact that Tobirama honestly believed his team couldn't just body these ninja lol, ESPECIALLY if Kinkaku and Ginkaku weren't there. I can understand if all 20 can defeat Tobirama solo, but cmon, add Hiruzen, Danzo, Kagami Uchiha, and all the others to the mix, and there's no way they aren't defeating these nameless Cloud ninja lmaoooo. Also, unless I'm completely mistaken, the Leaf Village and Cloud Village were at war when Tobirama died (during the First Great Ninja War), so I don't think this was some rogue ninja plot from some Kinkaku followers, this was probably just a mission from the Cloud Village during the war.
it is possible that the group was called Kinkaku as in "Golden", but it'd just be quite the coincidence that the second Hokage was ambushed & driven to the brink of death by Kinkaku (& his brother) and then he was actually killed by a completely separate group that happened to share that name. The Cloud & Leaf were at war, but both the 2nd Hokage & 2nd Raikage attempted to have foster a peace pact, until Ginkaku & Kinkaku crashed the summit & attacked the both of them. So I guess if the 2nd Raikage was killed in the encounter & the 3rd didnt share his predecessors sentiment & wanted war instead, then maybe he would've sent the Ginkaku force to ambush Tobirama. Though at that point you could argue that Kinkaku (&probably Ginkaku too) could've still been part of the cloud, since their "crimes" would've been no different from what the 3rd Raikage is ordering rn, and even Gin&Kin recognized Darui's 3rd Raikage tattoo & seemed to low-key respect the 3rd.
They being called criminals doesn't mean they abandoned the village (being a rogue ninja), they're stated to be in the history books by Samui, no one mentioned having them in the bingo books. The Kumogakure villagers refer to them as lords and they are confirmed to have lived to see parts of the thirds reign, nowhere was it ever stated that they abandoned Kumogakure. Samui not wanting to be called their comrade is the same as that random leaf ninja disrespecting Sasuke in Boruto after the Isshiki fight, some people respect them some don't.
There's been a recent development on this topic, which is the official Naruto website claiming the Kinkaku Unit repped the Cloud Village. So Kinkaku and Ginkaku likely weren't affiliated with the Unit. Unless the website statement is wrong.
Imo it was 2 encounters but only one fight. So, first things first, they already had nine tails chakra, the statement about them being inside Kurama says "long before Madara tamed nine tails" Madara tamed Kurama right before his fight with Hashirama, Hashirama was already long dead by the time Tobirama died. They ambushed both kages, and the second Raikage apparently dies right there because they recognized the Third's mark on Darui but they died before the third adopted Bee as they didn't recognize the name when Darui mentioned it. Tobirama apparently escapes without engaging in conflict, why do i say this? Because of the comments made by Kinkaku and Ginkaku. But before that, lets clear something up. Now, for some reason people think that Kinkaku and Ginkaku each had a unit, which contradicts each statement about them that talks about them as a team, the databook even highlights their chemistry. As we can see with the Raikage and Bee, tag teams in Kumogakure are quite normal. Ginkaku calls Kinkaku "great senpai" so he sees him as his superior, making him just a member of the "Kinkaku force". So, when Tobirama said that it was the Kinkaku unit, it included both of them. Now, the comments. They believe at first that Tobirama brought them back and remark that they beat him before, if they had beat him twice considering how prideful they were, they would've mentioned "multiple encounters" or "multiple times". Also, they only say that they beat him, if they had killed him they would've boasted on that. Tsunade also mentioned that they managed to almost kill Tobirama, again, if they fought more than once she would've mentioned that. One major thing that is often ignored is that not even Darui knew that they had nine tails chakra, Konoha only learned about it right there so Tobirama wasn't aware either. Why wasn't he able to sense their nine tails chakra despite being the best sensory ninja? Cause it can only be sensed once they power up. Not even Naruto could sense them before they powered up and he had half of Kurama inside of him so cut Tobirama some slack lol. Now, this might be a reach here but it's more than likely that Tobirama didn't know about the tools either as it is stated by Samui that they are described in the history books. Maybe he knew about them but not how the worked as they're held in Kumogakure and not even Samui who knew the most about them, was aware of the silence trick. Now, it's also implied by them that ignorance by his opponents was a huge asset. So, Tobirama was basically fighting while blind. Imo, Tobirama killed the 18 fodder members and injured Ginkaku. Why? Well, for starters, Madara already said how Tobirama used to fight. He tricked them into believing he was defeated and then slashed them with his hiraishingiri. According to the databook you can't dodge hiraishingiri unless you know the intent, they didn't know Tobirama so why would they know his fighting style? Ginkaku is implied to be weaker than Kinkaku, hence why i mentioned him. Why didn't he die from hiraishingiri? nine tails chakra cloak also has healing properties. Now the interesting thing here is the "almost killed the second hokage" part. Shikaku is the one telling Shikamaru the info, you can't argue he is just repeating what he heard from Tsunade because she said "they", Shikaku told Shikamaru it was Kinkaku, so that's how the story goes. This statement came after Kakuzu said that Kinkaku only powers up to V2 once Ginkaku is down. So Kinkaku at his strongest was needed to almost kill Tobirama, since it's stated that they only beat Tobirama, it's fair to say that Tobirama died from untreated injuries, just like Izuna, pretty poetic if you ask me. I'm not saying he killed Ginkaku tho, just that he beat him bad enough that Kinkaku transformed, beat him up and left to treat for his brother, that's why they only say "beat" and not "kill", they left before they could confirm he had died. Considering the fact that they apparently killed the second raikage, beat the second hokage, Ay was more worked up about them showing up to the battlefield than he was when he heard his father was also brought back, Ay saying "if Kinkaku already transformed we won't be able to stop him, we will need to use their last weapon against him" and how Darui is now a Kage, they're solid Kage level characters, the databook also confirms they had colossal chakra and were descendants of Hagoromo somehow. If you throw in there the fact that FTG is a chakra taxing jutsu and Tobirama is shown with "battle dust" in the flashback and he didn't just teleport his squad to Konoha, he more than likely was almost out of chakra when it happened. This defeat is not anti feat for Tobirama, specially considering how little info he had compared to Darui and Darui could only defeat one of them with all the info in the world.
This happen during the second great war evening if the Brothers was a part of the squad it was wartimes most likely the squad was made to hunt down the Brothers
No reason whatsoever to even think about the possibility of Kumogakure creating a squad to hunt down the brothers as per the interactions with their edo versions.
There's a lot of plotholes in Naruto. I wish I could rewrite the entire series. Well, Tobirama has this jutsu called "Eternal Darkness" . It's a Genjutsu and the surroundings of the enemy becomes black seeing nothing while Tobirama can freely attack them while the enemies are still under that illusion or Genjutsu. Tobirama could have used that jutsu to kill the Kinkaku unit.
It's stated in Chapter 481 that Tobirama died while stalling/fighting the "Kinkaku Unit" while he himself and his Team where being pursued in an unknown location. In the War arc it's then stated mutliple times that Kinkaku and Ginkakau staged a coup d etat, while the leaf and the cloud were entertaining alliance negotiations. This "coup d'état' resultated in the death of the 2nd Raikage and Hokage. The Gold and Silver Brothers themselves stated that they indeed beat/ killed Tobirama while they were being reanimated. Sry... but what exactly was the retcon here? From all the information we received it's pretty clear that Kinkaku and Ginkaku were among the forces who pursued/ killed the 2nd Hokage, why wouldn't they be to begin with when Tobiramma explicity states the Name of the Unit they are the leaders of?
the retcon aspect is whether the encounter with the Kinkaku Unit was retconned to become Kinkaku & Ginkaku, since 20 high skilled Cloud ninja doesn't sound the same as 2 infamous pseudojinchuriki
@@JuubiTaz So you're wondering if the "Kinkaku Unit" mentioned in Chapter 481 became the "Kinkaku and Ginkaku" ensemble introduced in Chapter 525, based on the fact that Tobirama didn't name these two by name? I'm gonna be honest, that assumption doesn't really base itself on much. Not only considering that the "Kinkaku Unit" itself is obviously named after Kinkaku himself, making their connection more than obvious. If the "Kinkaku" Unit is synonymous with Kinkaku himself, well would there be a need even specifically mention that Kinkaku is a part of that force? Let's say Madara builds his own Unit, with which he always go on his missions and that after a certain time, him and his own Unit would be called the "Madara Unit". If someone find himself being pursued by said Unit would they say "Madara is pursuing us" or, "The Madara Unit is pursuing us"? It's not to say that Kishimoto couldn't have retconned the "Kinkaku Unit" into "Kinkaku and Ginkaku" (even if I find it improbable), it's more that definitely stating it as a retcon, because Tobirama didn't specify that the the Kinkaku force had Kinkaku in it, is a bit...
I think people are overthinking when it comes to this. The answer is simple imo, a group of s rank ninja and the gold and silver brothers killed the 2nd hokage. People ask say he’s weak for dying to them but are ignoring this is during the 2nd great ninja war where the average shinobi was WAY stronger than ninja currently and the fact that the 20 ninja could all be S rank ninja
the kyubi chakra cant really be used unless one of them dies as it's stated by kakuzu that they only get like that referring to v2 cloak when one of them kicks the bucket
this is my understanding some point in time. the kingaku unit fought the kyubi under the employ of the hidden cloud and ate it's chakra then some time after went after the raikage and tobirama at a peace summit heavily injuring tobirama and stealing the six path tools then later, kingaku unit went after tobirama and his team when they finished a mission. tobirama stayed behind fighting the group so his team could escape holding off the group even managing to kill kingaku which caused gingaku to go into his v2 form killing tobirama something kakuzu witnessed kingaku and ginkaku note likely never used their six path tools as had they did, tobirama would be sealed away ie not in the afterlife meaning he could not be edo tensei revived like how Minato could be revived in part 1 cause he was sealed in the shingami belly. yes I'm to think kingaku bros beat tobirama twice as the raikage event and the tobirama protecting his squad one don't fit together whatsoever, one had a squad of 20 involved where the other was just kin&gin also v2 was never used and there was no noted deaths in that instance where the kingaku squad one had both one of the kin brothers die as well as tobirama
I think that's a fair interpretation of how things went down, tho it's really hard to tell whether Tobirama managed to kill either of the brothers & the statements that they make when they're revived make it seem unlikely that Tobirama killed either of them "Snared by the Second's jutsu, although we've defeated him before". Maybe he just gravely injured Kinkaku & then Ginkaku snapped & went to V2 cloak.
From how kakuzu's phrases it it seems like tobirama killed one brother causing the other to go v2 which allowed him to kill the second hokage technically the defeated thing could refer to the first fight at the summit or just both since tobirama technically lost both times what makes tobirama defeat worse was that they killed him meaning they didt even use their sealing jutsu as if they did then tobirama's soul wouldt be the afterlife to be revived by edo tensei
@@nagatouzumaki4047I say it's more that they're there fighting in the Fourth Ninja War, hence the comment "The Second's Technique brought us back even though we killed him" because they thought that he somehow survived and was the one who summoned them to fight, without thinking that in reality someone else had mastered the Edo Tensei.
Its very simple. When the brothers were revived, ginkaku wasnt happy that the 2nd hokage revived them after they "beat him before". Meaning, they thought tobirama was the one that revived him. Meaning they werent there when tobirama died. They were probably already dead. In conclu, tobirama lost to a bunch of no names.
According to the Timeline the Gold and Silver Brothers die a year after Tobirama, so they are upset that they are revived by Tobirama when they are supposed to have killed him.
the death is bad anyway with how powerful we see the secound hokage i just cant see him losing to 20 goons + kink & one in the stink the fight they had in the war arc was so bad im like these two are idiots they couldnt of beat a man that made the foundation of the new ninja world, plus minato beating 1000 faceless goons its like he can beat so many but 20 guys beat the 2nd its really just bad writing in the end, like these men kill the 2nd the leaf is pretty much open you beat there big dog take the villiage then they just go missing from the story
@@Imoha-fz5nmit doesnt matter its still a 1000 v 1 its stupid numbers he wasnt a undead monster like madara and like i said the unit was written just to kill him and do nothing else
For another possibility, which would only be obvious to Japanese readers, the "Kinkaku Unit" might only be called that because of the meaning of the name/word "Kinkaku". Kinkaku can be translated as "gold pavilion", and Ginkaku can be translated as "silver pavilion", hence their nickname of "the gold and silver brothers". With this in mind, the "Kinkaku unit" might possibly just be referring to them as the Cloud's "golden unit", aka the strongest ninja/strongest unit in the cloud village. After all, you'd probably wanna send your strongest unit on the mission to assassinate the Second Hokage lol, especially if these are the same guys who restrained the nine tails temporarily in the past. They might even be the same crew that restrained the 8 tails whenever it went on a rampage too. That's not to say that Tobirama is just calling them the "golden unit", that might be their official name in the Cloud Village, but they might have come up with the name in reference to the word "golden/kinkaku", rather than the name of the infamous criminal known as "Kinkaku". In which case, Kinkaku doesn't actually need to currently be in the unit or have ever been in the unit before (though I wouldn't be surprised if he once was before he became a rogue ninja), and the same goes for Ginkaku. The bigger problem is the fact that Tobirama honestly believed his team couldn't just body these ninja lol, ESPECIALLY if Kinkaku and Ginkaku weren't there. I can understand if all 20 can defeat Tobirama solo, but cmon, add Hiruzen, Danzo, Kagami Uchiha, and all the others to the mix, and there's no way they aren't defeating these nameless Cloud ninja lmaoooo. Also, unless I'm completely mistaken, the Leaf Village and Cloud Village were at war when Tobirama died (during the First Great Ninja War), so I don't think this was some rogue ninja plot from some Kinkaku followers, this was probably just a mission from the Cloud Village during the war.
it is possible that the group was called Kinkaku as in "Golden", but it'd just be quite the coincidence that the second Hokage was ambushed & driven to the brink of death by Kinkaku (& his brother) and then he was actually killed by a completely separate group that happened to share that name. The Cloud & Leaf were at war, but both the 2nd Hokage & 2nd Raikage attempted to have foster a peace pact, until Ginkaku & Kinkaku crashed the summit & attacked the both of them. So I guess if the 2nd Raikage was killed in the encounter & the 3rd didnt share his predecessors sentiment & wanted war instead, then maybe he would've sent the Ginkaku force to ambush Tobirama. Though at that point you could argue that Kinkaku (&probably Ginkaku too) could've still been part of the cloud, since their "crimes" would've been no different from what the 3rd Raikage is ordering rn, and even Gin&Kin recognized Darui's 3rd Raikage tattoo & seemed to low-key respect the 3rd.
They being called criminals doesn't mean they abandoned the village (being a rogue ninja), they're stated to be in the history books by Samui, no one mentioned having them in the bingo books. The Kumogakure villagers refer to them as lords and they are confirmed to have lived to see parts of the thirds reign, nowhere was it ever stated that they abandoned Kumogakure. Samui not wanting to be called their comrade is the same as that random leaf ninja disrespecting Sasuke in Boruto after the Isshiki fight, some people respect them some don't.
There's been a recent development on this topic, which is the official Naruto website claiming the Kinkaku Unit repped the Cloud Village. So Kinkaku and Ginkaku likely weren't affiliated with the Unit. Unless the website statement is wrong.
hmm, can you link the website?
@@JuubiTaz
Links don't work. Look up naruto official site.
@@JuubiTaz
It's in the article about Tobirama's birthday
@@JuubiTazthe article claims the unit killed Tobirama
@@ActuallyAlask I mean, maybe they were former cloud ninja, like gin&kin
Imo it was 2 encounters but only one fight.
So, first things first, they already had nine tails chakra, the statement about them being inside Kurama says "long before Madara tamed nine tails" Madara tamed Kurama right before his fight with Hashirama, Hashirama was already long dead by the time Tobirama died.
They ambushed both kages, and the second Raikage apparently dies right there because they recognized the Third's mark on Darui but they died before the third adopted Bee as they didn't recognize the name when Darui mentioned it. Tobirama apparently escapes without engaging in conflict, why do i say this? Because of the comments made by Kinkaku and Ginkaku. But before that, lets clear something up.
Now, for some reason people think that Kinkaku and Ginkaku each had a unit, which contradicts each statement about them that talks about them as a team, the databook even highlights their chemistry. As we can see with the Raikage and Bee, tag teams in Kumogakure are quite normal. Ginkaku calls Kinkaku "great senpai" so he sees him as his superior, making him just a member of the "Kinkaku force". So, when Tobirama said that it was the Kinkaku unit, it included both of them.
Now, the comments. They believe at first that Tobirama brought them back and remark that they beat him before, if they had beat him twice considering how prideful they were, they would've mentioned "multiple encounters" or "multiple times". Also, they only say that they beat him, if they had killed him they would've boasted on that.
Tsunade also mentioned that they managed to almost kill Tobirama, again, if they fought more than once she would've mentioned that.
One major thing that is often ignored is that not even Darui knew that they had nine tails chakra, Konoha only learned about it right there so Tobirama wasn't aware either. Why wasn't he able to sense their nine tails chakra despite being the best sensory ninja? Cause it can only be sensed once they power up. Not even Naruto could sense them before they powered up and he had half of Kurama inside of him so cut Tobirama some slack lol.
Now, this might be a reach here but it's more than likely that Tobirama didn't know about the tools either as it is stated by Samui that they are described in the history books. Maybe he knew about them but not how the worked as they're held in Kumogakure and not even Samui who knew the most about them, was aware of the silence trick.
Now, it's also implied by them that ignorance by his opponents was a huge asset.
So, Tobirama was basically fighting while blind. Imo, Tobirama killed the 18 fodder members and injured Ginkaku. Why? Well, for starters, Madara already said how Tobirama used to fight.
He tricked them into believing he was defeated and then slashed them with his hiraishingiri.
According to the databook you can't dodge hiraishingiri unless you know the intent, they didn't know Tobirama so why would they know his fighting style?
Ginkaku is implied to be weaker than Kinkaku, hence why i mentioned him. Why didn't he die from hiraishingiri? nine tails chakra cloak also has healing properties.
Now the interesting thing here is the "almost killed the second hokage" part.
Shikaku is the one telling Shikamaru the info, you can't argue he is just repeating what he heard from Tsunade because she said "they", Shikaku told Shikamaru it was Kinkaku, so that's how the story goes. This statement came after Kakuzu said that Kinkaku only powers up to V2 once Ginkaku is down.
So Kinkaku at his strongest was needed to almost kill Tobirama, since it's stated that they only beat Tobirama, it's fair to say that Tobirama died from untreated injuries, just like Izuna, pretty poetic if you ask me.
I'm not saying he killed Ginkaku tho, just that he beat him bad enough that Kinkaku transformed, beat him up and left to treat for his brother, that's why they only say "beat" and not "kill", they left before they could confirm he had died.
Considering the fact that they apparently killed the second raikage, beat the second hokage, Ay was more worked up about them showing up to the battlefield than he was when he heard his father was also brought back, Ay saying "if Kinkaku already transformed we won't be able to stop him, we will need to use their last weapon against him" and how Darui is now a Kage, they're solid Kage level characters, the databook also confirms they had colossal chakra and were descendants of Hagoromo somehow.
If you throw in there the fact that FTG is a chakra taxing jutsu and Tobirama is shown with "battle dust" in the flashback and he didn't just teleport his squad to Konoha, he more than likely was almost out of chakra when it happened.
This defeat is not anti feat for Tobirama, specially considering how little info he had compared to Darui and Darui could only defeat one of them with all the info in the world.
This happen during the second great war evening if the Brothers was a part of the squad it was wartimes most likely the squad was made to hunt down the Brothers
but if thats the case, why would they track down the hokage
@@JuubiTaz I don't think they was necessarily targeting the second hokage just at the wrong place at wrong times that's just my opinion
No reason whatsoever to even think about the possibility of Kumogakure creating a squad to hunt down the brothers as per the interactions with their edo versions.
There's a lot of plotholes in Naruto. I wish I could rewrite the entire series. Well, Tobirama has this jutsu called "Eternal Darkness" . It's a Genjutsu and the surroundings of the enemy becomes black seeing nothing while Tobirama can freely attack them while the enemies are still under that illusion or Genjutsu. Tobirama could have used that jutsu to kill the Kinkaku unit.
Well used that jutsu WHEN killing the Kinkaku unit, the jutsu itself obviously didn't kill them lol
In the manga that's a Hashirama jutsu.
It's stated in Chapter 481 that Tobirama died while stalling/fighting the "Kinkaku Unit" while he himself and his Team where being pursued in an unknown location.
In the War arc it's then stated mutliple times that Kinkaku and Ginkakau staged a coup d etat, while the leaf and the cloud were entertaining alliance negotiations. This "coup d'état' resultated in the death of the 2nd Raikage and Hokage.
The Gold and Silver Brothers themselves stated that they indeed beat/ killed Tobirama while they were being reanimated.
Sry... but what exactly was the retcon here? From all the information we received it's pretty clear that Kinkaku and Ginkaku were among the forces who pursued/ killed the 2nd Hokage, why wouldn't they be to begin with when Tobiramma explicity states the Name of the Unit they are the leaders of?
the retcon aspect is whether the encounter with the Kinkaku Unit was retconned to become Kinkaku & Ginkaku, since 20 high skilled Cloud ninja doesn't sound the same as 2 infamous pseudojinchuriki
@@JuubiTaz
So you're wondering if the "Kinkaku Unit" mentioned in Chapter 481 became the "Kinkaku and Ginkaku" ensemble introduced in Chapter 525, based on the fact that Tobirama didn't name these two by name? I'm gonna be honest, that assumption doesn't really base itself on much.
Not only considering that the "Kinkaku Unit" itself is obviously named after Kinkaku himself, making their connection more than obvious. If the "Kinkaku" Unit is synonymous with Kinkaku himself, well would there be a need even specifically mention that Kinkaku is a part of that force?
Let's say Madara builds his own Unit, with which he always go on his missions and that after a certain time, him and his own Unit would be called the "Madara Unit". If someone find himself being pursued by said Unit would they say "Madara is pursuing us" or, "The Madara Unit is pursuing us"?
It's not to say that Kishimoto couldn't have retconned the "Kinkaku Unit" into "Kinkaku and Ginkaku" (even if I find it improbable), it's more that definitely stating it as a retcon, because Tobirama didn't specify that the the Kinkaku force had Kinkaku in it, is a bit...
it's stated kingaku and gingaku beat tobirama by shikamaru
That can be interpreted to mean the Summit attack since they left him near death
Well there was too encounters mentioned so could of been talking about ether or
The third raikage definitely killed them
thats a definite possibility
@@JuubiTazis that the raikage that fought the 8 tailed beast?
Then it would be highly probable and not just possible
@@youtubeuser5524 what Im saying is that many ppl wanted gin&kin dead so who know who did it, 3rd raikage I can see him taking them
@@JuubiTaz unlikely considering their status in the village.
They also were rouge ninja
No, as they are referred to as "lords" by the Kumogakure villagers upon their arrival, only Samui and A disliked them.
I think people are overthinking when it comes to this. The answer is simple imo, a group of s rank ninja and the gold and silver brothers killed the 2nd hokage. People ask say he’s weak for dying to them but are ignoring this is during the 2nd great ninja war where the average shinobi was WAY stronger than ninja currently and the fact that the 20 ninja could all be S rank ninja
the kyubi chakra cant really be used unless one of them dies as it's stated by kakuzu
that they only get like that referring to v2 cloak when one of them kicks the bucket
What about what kakazu say about the brothers.
he says that hes witnessed Kinkaku go into the V2 cloak once his brother "kicked the bucket"
The cloud and the leaf were at war at the time
this is my understanding
some point in time.
the kingaku unit fought the kyubi under the employ of the hidden cloud and ate it's chakra
then some time after went after the raikage and tobirama at a peace summit heavily injuring tobirama and stealing the six path tools
then later, kingaku unit went after tobirama and his team when they finished a mission. tobirama stayed behind fighting the group so his team could escape holding off the group even managing to kill kingaku which caused gingaku to go into his v2 form killing tobirama something kakuzu witnessed
kingaku and ginkaku note likely never used their six path tools as had they did, tobirama would be sealed away ie not in the afterlife meaning he could not be edo tensei revived like how Minato could be revived in part 1 cause he was sealed in the shingami belly.
yes I'm to think kingaku bros beat tobirama twice as the raikage event and the tobirama protecting his squad one don't fit together whatsoever, one had a squad of 20 involved where the other was just kin&gin also v2 was never used and there was no noted deaths in that instance where the kingaku squad one had both one of the kin brothers die as well as tobirama
I think that's a fair interpretation of how things went down, tho it's really hard to tell whether Tobirama managed to kill either of the brothers & the statements that they make when they're revived make it seem unlikely that Tobirama killed either of them
"Snared by the Second's jutsu, although we've defeated him before". Maybe he just gravely injured Kinkaku & then Ginkaku snapped & went to V2 cloak.
From how kakuzu's phrases it
it seems like tobirama killed one brother causing the other to go v2 which allowed him to kill the second hokage
technically the defeated thing could refer to the first fight at the summit or just both since tobirama technically lost both times
what makes tobirama defeat worse was that they killed him meaning they didt even use their sealing jutsu as if they did then tobirama's soul wouldt be the afterlife to be revived by edo tensei
@@nagatouzumaki4047I say it's more that they're there fighting in the Fourth Ninja War, hence the comment "The Second's Technique brought us back even though we killed him" because they thought that he somehow survived and was the one who summoned them to fight, without thinking that in reality someone else had mastered the Edo Tensei.
Its very simple. When the brothers were revived, ginkaku wasnt happy that the 2nd hokage revived them after they "beat him before".
Meaning, they thought tobirama was the one that revived him. Meaning they werent there when tobirama died. They were probably already dead.
In conclu, tobirama lost to a bunch of no names.
According to the Timeline the Gold and Silver Brothers die a year after Tobirama, so they are upset that they are revived by Tobirama when they are supposed to have killed him.
I always say Pad and Filler Brothers and chuckle to myself.
Goofy characters.
I mean, they're quite the letdown when compared to other villains in Naruto
It’s KINKAKU* unit pal.
whoops I hoped no one would notice 😅
the death is bad anyway with how powerful we see the secound hokage i just cant see him losing to 20 goons + kink & one in the stink the fight they had in the war arc was so bad im like these two are idiots they couldnt of beat a man that made the foundation of the new ninja world, plus minato beating 1000 faceless goons its like he can beat so many but 20 guys beat the 2nd its really just bad writing in the end, like these men kill the 2nd the leaf is pretty much open you beat there big dog take the villiage then they just go missing from the story
I mean, Minato is above Tobirama’s pay grade 🤐
@@moatazabdelraouf4059no
I think you shouldn't compare some foot soldiers with a Unit made up of powerful jounin + Kinkaku and Ginkaku. That would be dumb.
@@Imoha-fz5nmit doesnt matter its still a 1000 v 1 its stupid numbers he wasnt a undead monster like madara and like i said the unit was written just to kill him and do nothing else
@@troytheboy1985actually 1000 was an exaggeration, he took out like 50 lol