Time stamps: 0:00 Team Yang VS Grimm 1:07 Team Yang VS The Hound 2:35 Penny VS The Ace Ops 6:48 Team Yang VS Grimm and The Hound 9:51 Penny and Maria VS Cinder Neo And Emerald 15:35 Smoll Cinder VS A guy I cant rememeber the name of 17:01 Atlas VS Grimm & Ruby's team VS The Hound 20:50 Atlas & Team Funky VS Grimm 21:16 Yang's Team and Emerald VS Salem 22:26 Hazel VS Salem 25:05 Good Guys VS Hacked Penny 26:03 Winter Emerald And JNPR VS Ironwood 27:30 RWBY And Penny VS Neo And Cinder 31:17 Qrow VS Harriet 32:12 Winter VS Ironwood 34:12 Penny Weiss Blake And Ruby VS Cinder And Neo 35:11 Qrow VS Harriet Part 2 35:17 Ruby VS Neo 37:34 Penny Weiss And Jaune VS Cinder 39:35 Winter VS Ironwood Part 2 40:12 Winter VS Cinder I need likes so I spent 15 minutes doing this please for the love of god please pin me Strange Man
@Firelord You have my deepest respect hero, thank you for guiding us these past volumes oh great Firelord (Putting this together took my 20 minutes so I just spared you of this, well still great to speak with the real hero of the RWBY community would love to speak more)
I disagree. Her semblance is by far the most powerful due to the sheer versatility and utility of it. And she’s always been able to hold her own. Her personality hasn’t always been favored but her fighting prowess has never been in question.
@@andrewc988 and u could see the pain as she left Jaun and every one down like she was in pain as she saw every one of her comrades fall in war with Salem
God, Jaune was such an MVP throughout this entire volume. Putting aside all of his leadership, positive attitude, and knack for coming up with great plans; his dedication to the mission, his growth as a fighter, and his development as a character improved vastly. Still needs to undergo therapy though
@@autism36 Don't be a child. People have always cared for non Title characters, and Jaune went through the developments early on that help now just like Ruby has an attitude that lets her have hope the most. Ren and Nora are also getting the same developments that he did early on, so don't pretend as if Miles is somehow or suddenly writing about side characters for himself.
@@darknessknows1235 he went through more than development he got more dialogue he got more action scenes and he got more of those important pushes that the main character should have had his arc should already be done
Weiss yelling "Get back!" with tears in her eyes while shooting Gambol Shroud at 37:05 always gives me chills. It feels very emotional that she's too distraught to think of a witty comeback and symbolic that she is using her friend's weapon.
Weiss stayed the most level headed out of everyone in the fight but when she saw her friends fall she tired staying focus still but the emotions got to her sadly. It breaks my heart because Weiss is my favorite character. :(
I love how they animated Weiss' hands shaking at 37:11, because Weiss does not use guns. She never has, the closest thing she has to a gun are some of her projectile attacks with Myrtenaster, so holding a pistol for what may be the first time would feel weird to her. Not to mention she's, you know, just witnessed the assumed death of three of her closest friends and is kind of running on adrenaline and emotional overload.
I think it’s more of the watching her closest friends, basically family “dying”. It’s hard to see because of her eye color but she has tears in her eyes as she is shooting at Cinder. I don’t doubt not using a gun is part of it, but I bet 95% is the friends(family) “dying” part
@@webesprit01 she probably will now that winter has the maiden powers. If she dies I am pretty sure they'll go to weiss because she is her sister and she cares a lot about her.
Weiss carried this volume and it shows, she has had the best character development, she’s a bad ass bitch and she fought Cinder while dual wielding Mytrenaster and Gambol Shroud. She lost her family, believing they were dead and continued to fight while crying on the inside. She is my favorite character in this series.
I love the sequence of seeing Jaune, Penny, and Weiss ready themselves to fight Cinder at 37:44. We don't normally see these three fight alongside each other, so I lament the fact that they didn't have a 3v1 against Cinder. Also, like if you think Weiss should dual-wield more often. She knocked Neo into the portal with the Staff of Creation at 35:30 and seems to hold her own against Cinder with Gambol Shroud for a short while.
The worst part is that they just stand still. All they had to do was show them running towards cinder THEN being blocked by the fire(that wiess could get above with glyphs)
If they do that for Weiss it would surprisingly work for the new world since dust doesn’t work outside of remnant hell even the upper atmosphere since she is a dust user and summoning isn’t that useful on its own that would be a neat character arc
It felt like a critical hit ripped straight from Fire Emblem. Probably could've used the old crit sound as well and get a similar, if not greater effect.
The motorbike chase is probably my favorite sequence this volume. It may not be a “fight” in the regular sense, but it’s frenetic, doesn’t take a second to breathe, and the music matches the action perfectly.
Weiss stayed the most level headed out of everyone in the fight but when she saw her friends fall(thinking they were dead) she tired staying focus still but the emotions got to her sadly. It breaks my heart because Weiss is my favorite character. This is why I think a lot of people underestimate Weiss. She stayed focus and didn't let emotions get to her until the end when she finally saw that there was probably no more hope for them sadly. But he still had a little left, which is why she keep fighting. This is why I love Weiss so much! :(
I love how they handled Jaune's development as a Huntsman. His improvement is palpable, but he's still quintessentially the same character. He goes from barely being able to hold a sword to slashing through Grimm easily, but he never truly loses his underdog kind of feel: he's still a little clumsy with landings, awkward, and goofy. His strengths are amplified as he grows, but his flaws never really go away. I absolutely love that about him. I just wish they afforded that kind of development to Ren.
That kick she gave Ironwood had me cheering. And that Slash attack Winter used against him was the same one she was preparing to use against Qrow in volume 3!
The vibe of these fights feel very different to previous volumes. I really don't know how to describe it though. Best I can do is that they feel less like spectacles, apart from a couple, and more desperate and hard fought.
I get what you mean. Especially the final fight, it felt very much like an unbeatable battle, yet they draw the fight out as long as they could. Witch made the entire impact even better ... In Volume 7 the fights felt more cinamatic and fast paced, but only appeared at the last three episodes.
It feels different in a good way in my opinion. I actually love the fight scenes in this volume because it happened in two days, Weiss is in combat mode again finally, Ruby having a breakdown, no rest for the heroes, Neo still being a badass and Cinder finally winning since volume 3. Felt more like a Marvel endgame fight scene but I'm not complaining. People did wanted the villains to win and it happened and I'm proud which is why volume 8 is my favorite volume with Volume 3 coming second. Just my opinion
it was undeserved. i still dont think that to this day, neo would have allied with the sole individual who was the cause of torchwicks demise. she knew she couldnt take cinder alone, but to go along with her to this extent?? no fucking way. she has proven time and again she is smarter and stronger than cinder in so many ways. i chalk it all up to shit writing
@@DOA4rocks Keep in mind that Neo was knocked off the ship and doesn't have the knowledge that a Grimm killed Torchwick. Last she saw, Ruby was fighting him and now he's dead.
@@DOA4rocks If "she has proven time and again she is smarter and stronger than cinder in so many ways." she wouldn't be teaming up with Cinder in the first place. Or, given that Cinder semi-bullied her into it, Neo would have ditched her at the soonest chance.
COMPLETELY MY THOUGHTS! i really feel like it makes it more dynamic (???) and you can sense the atmosphere a lot better. i hope they will balance choreography and environment more in the future volumes, because i feel like the direction they are going with fight scenes is really interesting
The facial journey the animated for Cinder when Rhodes drew his weapons on her was so incredible and heartbreaking. She's still so hopeful at first because now she's free, but then as realization dawns, she is so hurt by his betrayal and lack of support in a pivotal moment. Then, that hurt understandably turns to rage and determination, she's come this close to freedom and no one is going to stop her now. Just a few seconds of changing expressions conveys SO much and it's really a testament to how talented CRWBY is.
She thinks she’s free now and that’s what’s sad. she’s far too deep in the darkness, yeah shes enjoying hurting people and downright evil at this point but deep down I think she knows she’s not free and is still in pain. I think the only peace and freedom she’s ever gonna get is death.
@@positivelink6961 i personnaly think the Hound is scarier cause of the fact it can talk,Strategize and his body's weird function. When i saw it for the first time i literally fell into depression thinking of what could happen.
Imo, both grim are near equal levels of danger and threat, with the Apathy beating out by just a tiny bit. The Apathy being dangerous and threatening in the sense of dread and exhaustion they cause, while the Hound is Dangerous and Threatening since, out of all of the other grim we have seen, he is the first setient grim that can think, act and feel for it own while still remaining loyal, not to mention that it can adapt to it's situation on fly just to perform it's orders
Little note; I know 25:05 isn't really a fight scene, but it had elements of combat along with the use of people's semblances and weapons, so I decided to include it.
@@braedenbarr4047 The thing is, Salem does not have to be strong. Her strength comes from her immortality. Remember, Ozma needed to rescue her from the tower.
Winter was clearly not fighting as hard as she could have been. She just had to give the others more time. Pretty sure that had it just been Cinder and Winter, Cinder would have lost. Cinder clearly was fighting as hard as she could.
@Tommy Cinders09 Winter at the time was distracted by Fria dying and lost focus, she also was up against an enraged Cinder who could summon weapons. In the last fight against Cinder, she held her own even after having been almost shot by Ironwood's weapon and was still able to keep up with Cinder. Had Winter not just been trying to give Weiss and Jaune more time and had simply been fighting Cinder with the hope of legitimately defeating her, she would have won. Winter was already capable of using the winter maiden powers as soon as she got them, but was capable to a somewhat greater extent since she can already control them much better than Cinder could. I would also go so far as to say that Winter started out with much more power overall. She was able to block Ironwood's attack, was able to fight Cinder one-on-one with no help, and would have won had Cinder not attacked Weiss and Jaune. Winter is severely underrated.
tbh Winter got hard nerfed from her first appearance, shes roughly equal to qrow who presumably is equal in combat ability to raven who bodied cinder... so
@@TylerrTazer That's true. She definetly got a major nerf in Vol7 compared to her appearance in Vol3. But I hope with her new gained power that nerf is far gone in the future. The Schnees are able to manipulate their glyphs with dust. What could they do with magic instead? Maiden powers, Summons and glyphs on top of a top fighter in general, Winter now literally IS broken 😂 Out of the 3 maidens we know I'd say utility wise she's the most powerful. Sure Raven's a pretty damn good fighter but so is Winter. Sure, Cinder's semblance comes in handy in combination with maiden powers but there is not such a great variety of what she could do with it. Think of a summon which is enhanced by i don't know fire magic which explodes in your face or which is amplified by stone so you couldn't break it while a maiden who's good at hand to hand combat constantly attacks you and keeps spamming magic and glyphs. I personally hope that they make her set a new strenght tier. She ever sees Cinder again, she should be able to finish her off with a pretty big bang.❄❄❄❄
@@Llightmare She didn't put a glyph under Weiss as she was falling, it's like the writers forget their own characters powers and what they are capable of, solely for plot convenience (and they do)
Ironwood vs JNR, Oscar, Winter, and Emerald is honestly more a testament to how strong Ironwood is than for the rest of the fighters. Dude got ambushed, fought unarmed against 6 people, and his brain literally stopped mid-fight unable to process that he's been betrayed by the one person he didn't expect it from, and still held his own. And he beat Winter less than an hour later (Winter only won due to Penny after she basically lost)
“You sacrificed everyone else! You closed the borders, you squeezed Mantle until it broke.” Winter is a true boss in this fight. She landed more hits on Ironwood than he did on her. She held her own very well against the headmaster and the General of the military. With the Maiden powers inside her. She will do great things
41:49 This is what I like to think the writers were thinking. "By that point, the viewers would've probably figured out that they're not dead, so why not add one more to the mix?"
30:44 may be one of my favourite scenes in all of rwby, the music, weiss doing the sword thing, Jaune helping people and then immediately realizing that something has gone horribly wrong
@@jujubean2785 and she had the most level headedness out of everyone! Even though she saw her teammates fall one by one she never gave up hope or got angry( at least didnt show it.) She tried her best
@@SnowBeeQt I mean obviously it's because of the animation changes that occurred at the tansition from v3 to 4 (the animation engine switch + with Monty no longer around...), but I saw someone say something like, the characters being "weaker" actually conveys and sort of embodies the way they felt invincible and full of hope and confidence when they were young students at Beacon, but once the real threat had risen, they felt how weak they actually are against Salem and although they're still young people, their old juvenile briskness sort of dissipated, which, although not ideal in the sense of how enjoyable and exciting it is to watch, does make sense
The only thing that makes Penny weaker is because of her emotions. She can hold off for a while but unlike Winter, she is the type that runs or do support teammates rather than being able to fight head on. I know that Penny is powerful, but in this Volume she hold her own. Winter is an Atlas Elite, which was a level with Qrow's but Penny is a little bit under (i mean, weaker) than that.
For all of cinders power and cunning, I still think winter would destroy her in a 1v1 to the death. The combination of the winter maiden power, the high level sword skill and the highly adaptable Glyph semblance just seems to make an almost unstoppable fighter
In a fair fight, I'd agree that Winter would curb-stomp Cinder, but a few key factors swung the fight in Cinder's favour. First, Winter had just newly received the maiden power so while Winter probably had more firepower due to her having full maiden powers, Cinder has her beat in her experience with the use of maiden power. For example in the final fight, Winter only really uses the maiden power to fly, boost her semblance, and generate some wind, both Penny and Cinder were shown to do more with it. Second, Winter came from an emotionally draining fight with Ironwood, the guy was her pesudo-father figure (cuz god knows Jaqu-ass Schnee wasn't) and she literally killed him. While Cinder also fought a bunch of people before Winter, she was winning those fights so there's no reason for her to have bad mental, if anything winning those fights and having everything go well for her was boosting her mental. Third, Cinder has no moral scruples so once Winter had her on the back foot she decided to attack Winter's aura-less (defenseless) sister as a distraction. Which bought her enough time to get the hell outta dodge with TWO entire relics. Fourth, as soon as Cinder was out of the portal she destroyed the teleport system making sure Winter couldn't come after her.
I think CRWBY forgets how much only having one eye debilitates someone, considering Cinder has gone this entire time of having the one eye without any drawbacks even though as a character it would help her. Winter would and probably would win even more because of that debilitating weakness, weird rwby super senses or not. Cinder as a fighter is all over the place, erratic and wrathful with complex strategy saved for division and cheap shots to key players to scramble her worse matchups to better herself against them. Winter is consistent, controlled and while emotionally she’s just the same amount of all over as Cinder here, she’s got control, she retreated in the right moment and such. Cinder’s scaling in the show has always been off which tbh we may find out more of considering she can’t have gone from trained in a basement to global terrorist that fast, even if she’s a prodigy. Salem’s had to have juiced her somehow more than the grim arm, which they forgot AGAIN isn’t protected by aura so she should definitely be more impaired by taking damage through it. Penny blasting her at Amity at least did knock her out and her robot arm did our strength the grim one. Winter beats Cinder in terms of righteousness and for the most part consistency in her abilities but Cinder tbh is just so all over the place in this series it’s hard to even nail where tf she lands on the ladder. TLDR cinder is too wack in this shows already wack scaling that her vs Winter is not a wash because half the time CRWBY doesn’t remember to real world concept in their magic show cause at this point losing an eye don’t bother Cinder and aura scaling is either two touch or hey you got punched in the gut but a two ton Goliath’s punch doesn’t hurt. Good lord I need a better scaled show to watch
I hate how people criticized Cinder's backstory because it doesn't justify her actions. It's not meant to, it's an explanation. Nothing will justify her killing Pyrrha.
I think people mostly criticised it because it was bland and didn't really feel worth the wait I don't necessarily agree but I don't think they're being too nitpicky since Cinder is such an important villain
to be fair the fact her backstory is bland is because we didn't even need to see it for me .... she's based of cinderella and with what she's been saying for 7 volume we literally already knew what her backstory would be like only people who didn't pay attention to the show didn't....
I think the real problem with Cinder’s backstory was it took too long for them to show it. It seemed out of place for the sequence of events that happened in this season.
I love how Jaune getting left behind is basically an accident lol. All the other characters get knocked off by one of Cinder's attacks or traps, but Jaune doesn't make it simply because he couldn't run fast enough and Winter was too distraught to remember he existed.
26:03 was my favorite fight for sure, they just got the allies and then decided to put down this fkin lunatic for good Also the Penny, Weiss, Jaune part was such a cool shot and I wish they did more with it
I like that they were able to do it but the problem is that the writing wasn't always the best and this volume even though it wasn't horrendous it wasn't exactly good either. I believe it would have been better to take a longer hiatus with the show because...well to be honest the ones who should take all the credit for a good job should be the animators not the writing team
Can we just take a moment -(of silence)- to appreciate Ironwood as a character? This beast of a man went from someone we'd expect to come out of a series like RWBY, to straight-up being a modern Tywin Lannister. Willing to put an entire city to the torch to get what he wanted done, and silence anyone foolish enough to open their mouth about his actions. During his ultimatum broadcast, I legit got chills. This was an antagonist done right. Doing everything he could to keep what little of his kingdom alive, and slowly descending into a sociopathic madness the more he lost.
I get annoyed personally when people say his fall came out of nowhere. We saw in Volume 2 and 3 that he was pretty much a control freak and I always had the idea that he was one really bad day away from a full break. While his snap could’ve been built better, I disagree that it came out of nowhere. Thoughts?
@@christopherbravo1813 I'm not going to do much arguing with this fandom. I'd be wasting all my breath. But out of all the gripes about this show I don't believe Ironwood himself should be one of them. His character stays rather consistent with a downward spiral. My only gripe would be his unfitting death. I would have loved to see him be kept alive as a rouge element to the series. Not a protagonist, but also not purely a villain.
38:55 mint havent notice before that weiss was fighting with double swords, one of them blake's weapon thats cool, would be nice if rooster teeth make her use double weapons like her sister in the next vol.)
@@ryle2814 I watch RWBY because I want to see RWBY. My one complaint about V6 was that Weiss didn't really have much to do. My big complaint about V5 was that Weiss didn't get much, for V4 it was Yang, V3 Blake, V1 Yang. V6 also wasn't really dedicated solely to Blake. Yang also got stuff, so did Ruby and Qrow and Oscar and Jaune. Blake was absolutely a big player, but she wasn't the ONLY big player.
Blake is my favorite character so I feel the pain. In her fight scenes, I thought she was about to go off but she kind of didn’t. I don’t know, she did better but I can’t wait for her to fully beat someone up.
Just realized now that Cinder knocked a bunch of people off the bridge wonder where they are in the Ever After and why Jaune hadn't found them. Makes me also think the cat really is trying to bring them home maybe the cat already got them to the tree.
It's really out of character for Neo to fall for something as simple as that. Her entire fighting style is about tricking her opponent and yet she gets duped instantly.
@@octoartstuff We've seen her fall for those tricks before. Like when Ruby opened her umbrella in V3 or when Penny shot her and she wasnt paying attention
I LOVE the fights this volume! Lowkey so salty they made Penny a "real girl" just to kill her off! That's gonna be a lot of drama next season tho cause you know Ruby is gonna be so upset by that! Can't wait to see what happens next
@@jcoolguy1548 she could also be out for Neo and Cinder’s blood though. Could make for good character contrast if Neo suddenly found herself in Ruby position, except she’s alone with a bunch of grieving and possibly bloodthirsty teenagers.
honestly, this volume has some of my favorite fight scenes. my all time favorite may be the ace ops fight, but the fights in this volume were all consistently amazing. The winter, emerald and ORNJ vs ironwood fight, the fight where theyre all on the bikes chasing the hound, the cinder vs rhodes fight, hazels fight against salem, winter v ironwood ("You chose nothing, this was a gift" ALWAYS gives me chills, winter v cinder, theyre all some of my favorite fights in the show. Theres a reason volume 8 is my favorite volume in the series. the new style of fights really improved in volume 7 and 8, and i cannot wait for the fights in volume 9.
Ironwood took an entire team with his impressive skill, showing his high speed and high durability, so much that Winter had to use her STRONGEST move to defeat him. Jesus this dude is absolutely cracked.
I refuse to believe that man is dead lmfao he finna swim somewhere. But people really do need to give him his props, I mean he did some messed up stuff but I kinda get why he did it....
This is a long one, so sit back, grab some popcorn, and get ready to either agree with me, or roast me. People may disagree with me, but I really love the fight scenes recently, and (imo), I say they'll equal to Monty's in their own way. Monty's fight were amazing: They had elegance to them, they were swift and precise. And the camera work in them made it 20x better. But I feel like we never fully explored into the characters strengths and weaknesses a lot. We had scenes where with RWBY v the Nevermore in Volume 1, they had to work together and use their strengths to combat the grimm, and with JNPR v the Deathstalker doing the same thing. But since most fights were with grimm, or goons of the White Fang, we never really saw each of the heroes weaknesses. We only really saw them in fights with stronger grimm or with other characters, or villains, like Roman Torchwick, Neo, Cinder, and more to name. Now it could just be me, but whenever I go back and see the fight scenes, they'll very cool to watch and hook me up, but I just don't see those weaknesses unless it is those scenes. Hopefully I'm not the only one that sees this. With a good amount of Volume 6 fights, Volume 7 fights, and Volume 8 fights, they are 1000x better than Volume 4 and 5 for the most part. They may not have the flashy camera movement that the Monty fights had, or 100% the elegance of them, but you can see that in the fights of Volume 6, 7, and 8, each movement for the most part in the fights are thought out, and they lead to each step, similar to how Monty wanted to make his fight style. Like for example, let's compare the Geist grimm fight from Volume 4 and 7. The Volume 4 fight had some cool scenes in it, but I think we can pretty much agree that it felt slow, clunky kinda. Of course it was the first fight to the new animation program they were using, but for a near 5 minute long fight, I feel like we got robbed. Like, the elegant movement wasn't there, and it was more a way to introduce the audience to the 4 characters, but they could of done it better. With the fight in Volume 7, it was faster (like a 1 minute 30 to 2 minute long fight basically), and at first I thought it really couldn't have been done. But they properly introduced us to the Ace Ops and how they could work together as a team, introducing each of their strengths when paired, and keeping the elegance of the fight. Even compared to Volume 4's Geist, the Geist in Volume 4 kinda moved slow, clunky, like how the characters were. The Geist here, being basically the same shape and size, felt more faster, more powerful as well. Just go back and see the scene where Clover joined the fight, as the Geist is trying to time a stomp to hit Harriet, it sees Vine closing in on it and tries to hit him. Vine dodges the attack though and knocks the Geist into the wall, but it recovered and went for a powerful and deliberate strike on Harriet. This recovery took just less than two seconds, from the time of impact on the wall to the time of impact on the ground with it's first. We can tell a clear difference between how these two fights go, and I feel like CRWBY included this second Geist grimm fight to try and rectify their first one, and imo, they damn well nailed it. Showing that each and every character has an importance in the fight. Now what I do wish for a fight like this is to be slightly longer, but I think we all have to realize that Volume 1 and 2 fights weren't very long either. RWBY and JNPR versus the Nevermore and Deathstalker may have been around 5 minutes combined, but each of those two fights separately (RWBY v Nevermore / JNPR v Deathstalker) were around 1 minute 45 seconds, to about 2 minutes and 30 seconds. Even though they've shown they can do the elegant / fast paced, action thrilling fight scenes, I feel like those aren't 100% to Monty's yet, and they still have a way to grow. However, I did say they'll equal to Monty in their own way, and I mean that. As I said, Monty's fight, up against a typical grimm or goon, never shown the characters weaknesses much. The gang always just kicked their asses 24/7, unless it was Roman, Neo, Cinder, or a few others like the chainsaw dude or the Nevermore grimm. With the newer fights, we're focusing more on usually character v character, or more powerful grimm like the Hound. And here, we can see the characters struggle, we see their weaknesses in the cracks of their strengths. Ruby may be fast and elegant with her semblance, but her weapon is her weakness because it's slow, and heavy built. So up against a normal standard, medium or heavy built grimm, we may not see that weakness. Like how we didn't see it against that alpha grimm in Volume 7 (forgot it's name, sorry). But up against an opponent like Harriet, whose semblance is speed, Ruby couldn't use her weapon because it would slow her down. It's a reason why she used her semblance, to keep distance from Harriet and tire her out. We can physically see that in the Volume 7 fight. It's also a reason why Ruby struggled against Neo, and I feel like a lot of people knew this as well. Ruby's fight style is get up close or disorientate the enemy with her semblance, then go in for the attack with Crescent Rose. She did this with the goons in Volume 1. She was constantly on the move, and closing the gap each time. Neo's fight is with elegant movement, make the enemy tire themselves out before you attack. We see Neo doing this to Ruby during the fight. She's over there standing, just dodging and attacking when needed. Ruby knows this is how Neo fights, but I feel like with the grief of Yang's "death" in her head, so can't think straight. And we can see that, Ruby knows she can't win a 1v1 fight against Neo on attrition, so what does she do. She baits Neo into a trap, which I feel like is also a weakness of Neo (surprisingly). Reason why I say this is a weakness of Neo isn't because it's super easy to bait her or anything. I'm saying this because when you catch her off guard, she loses her elegance and her edge. We can see this partly in Volume 7. Oscar caught her off guard out of nowhere and he got the hit on her. In Volume 8, she thought she was fighting an old lady. Not someone that was previously a huntress that could easily counter her fight style without trying. I feel like she can be caught off guard (not easily, but still) if she thinks you're not around. And I also think that another weakness of Neo is she's almost narrowminded (not badly narrowminded). If she's focused on this one thing, I feel like she doesn't think fully, or keep an eye on her surroundings. We see this when she fights with Maria. She didn't like how an old lady just almost bested her, so she was gonna go for the kill, but she got blasted by Penny. I feel like if she wasn't narrowminded, she would of seen that attack coming. Same thing when Ruby knocked her off the bridge. I feel like if she wasn't focused on killing the person in front of her, she would of reacted against Ruby's plan. I could go on 24/7 about the weaknesses and such we see in the volumes, but I figure I won't. In my opinion, you can make a compelling and very entertaining fight scene a different number of ways. You can either do Monty's style, or this current CRWBY style. Because as I said in my opinion, both of these fight styles are very entertaining and compel us to watch more. What are your thoughts on this essay lol.
I enjoyed reading your essay. I've never thought this deep about how fights improved in their own way. I agree fights got way more better like geist fight. I love how now fights have background, I mean not just showing fight but also characters' weaknesses, personalities. Cuz of that ı love Ace Ops vs Rwby fight so much. I noticed when Neo focused on something/someone it was easy to catch her offguard but you really went another level on this😮😯. Also one last thing, about cresent rose slows her down, thats why she spins and makes it dance around her, to gain momentum not just for power but also to covering up her weakness of it. But against Neo who uses others momentum against them her fighting style doesn’t work out. 😊
I agree and disagree... Volume 4 and 5 were the weakest volumes in fight scenes. Volume 6 started to show potential again with neo vs cinder and adam vs blake and later with yang. Volume 7 is when it became real good since volume 4, even resembling Monty's style.....however not in volume 8...Volume 8 fights has that charm fight scene from volume 7 but it became less choreographed and just bland to watch. Little fight dynamics (see fight scenes of tyrian, clover, and qrow- these are nicely choreographed and has dynamics).
@@JAM_FRIO Yeah I do agree. Volume 4 and 5 in terms of fight scenes were the weakest. But I believe that is in part due to them losing Monty and trying to find a fight style that works best for them, which trial and error always works and it did with Volume 6 and 7. I can also see the argument for V. 8. I do agree, the fight scenes aren't as choreographed as Volume 6's Neo V Cinder / Blake + Yang V Adam. Or the fight scenes in Volume 7. But I think the reason why for that extends from two reasons. 1) Maybe they wanted to try to explore the characters strengths and weaknesses more in a fight, which put back the choreographed fights. Or 2) This volume was made during a pandemic, so maybe they had to make due with what they could do at the time. Though your argument still stands. V. 8 wasn't really choreographed. Hopefully V. 9 can improve that
Hazel was awesome in his fight against Salem So many characters were amazing in how far they’ve come in the series but Hazel was such a badass to fight Salem like that
Something that kinda bugs me is they have Weiss, who can literally create platforms, and even at the end, they also have Winter… they still manage to let everyone fall into the abyss, they were warned and they still failed… I just feel after everything then there is quite a loophole there
Why I have a feeling Cinder and Salem are going to combine into the final villain with all of the powers of the maidens like Lex Luther and Brainiac did in Justice League?
Omg, why didn't I think of this? My thought is that Cinder is going to get killed, that's going to trigger toxic Salem's issues/ her inability to accept her responsibility for what happened to her and Ozma's kids (because I get the sense that although Salem's crazy ass would not hesitate to kill Cinder, someone else doing it will feel like yet another person taking something from her), and we're going to see her in rare form.
I'm a little late with my comments, but I just wanted to say the fights this volume (person against person fights) all felt more weighted and real, like the odds of winning and losing feel so different compared to other volumes (and yes I'm counting Adam and Clover getting shanked sue me) and with Penny's death, team RWBY + Jaune + Neo falling into "whatever the hell you wanna call it" I get the feeling that the fights in Volume 9 are going to be harder than anything we've seen before. Also I'm waiting for my Winter and Raven v Cinder rematch ;)
@@jcoolguy1548 I’d disagree solely for the fact someone’s finding Penny’s body. Could be cool to see some role reversal as Neo is hunted down by grief-stricken, bloodthirsty teenagers.
What a great volume for the show’s fight choreography! There’s some writing choices that hamper the last few but overall, I’m very proud of CRWBY for their work on Vol 8, solid stuff!
While it took 3 people to take down Tyrian, It took 5 people + 1 high-ranking soldier to take down Ironwood: a testament to his skill and durability. What an absolute unit.
I’m hoping Weiss gets to mix more dual wielding into her style in the future. That moment where she drew her blade and Blake’s sent shivers down my spine.
Were they? I thought they were lack lustre. They were all really short and most of them were with big groups of people so no one had a chance to shine. Winter v Ironwood could have been great but for some reason they gave him a big clunky gun instead of his interesting revolvers
@@lucasrobin2788 It's all a matter of taste tbh. I loved these fights and they are definitely my favorites so far, but that's just because I loved the vibe of the volume. It's right up my alley, but making the fights longer wouldn't hurt. What I FULLY agree with is the stupid gun they made Ironwood use. His pistols would have made for a more exciting fight. My guess is that it was supposed to keep the focus on Winter and give her a chance to shine, but it was a still choice lol.
Time stamps:
0:00 Team Yang VS Grimm
1:07 Team Yang VS The Hound
2:35 Penny VS The Ace Ops
6:48 Team Yang VS Grimm and The Hound
9:51 Penny and Maria VS Cinder Neo And Emerald
15:35 Smoll Cinder VS A guy I cant rememeber the name of
17:01 Atlas VS Grimm & Ruby's team VS The Hound
20:50 Atlas & Team Funky VS Grimm
21:16 Yang's Team and Emerald VS Salem
22:26 Hazel VS Salem
25:05 Good Guys VS Hacked Penny
26:03 Winter Emerald And JNPR VS Ironwood
27:30 RWBY And Penny VS Neo And Cinder
31:17 Qrow VS Harriet
32:12 Winter VS Ironwood
34:12 Penny Weiss Blake And Ruby VS Cinder And Neo
35:11 Qrow VS Harriet Part 2
35:17 Ruby VS Neo
37:34 Penny Weiss And Jaune VS Cinder
39:35 Winter VS Ironwood Part 2
40:12 Winter VS Cinder
I need likes so I spent 15 minutes doing this please for the love of god please pin me Strange Man
Smol Cinder vs Rhodes
Thanks Strange Man
@Firelord You have my deepest respect hero, thank you for guiding us these past volumes oh great Firelord (Putting this together took my 20 minutes so I just spared you of this, well still great to speak with the real hero of the RWBY community would love to speak more)
The guy's called Rhodes
Good job for that bro👍👍👍
Love how Maria is the only one to actually land a proper hit on neo through the whole show
Oscar: Am I a joke to you?
Weiss also struck her with the staff
Oscar and Weiss managed to each get a good hit in as well
The blind beats the mute in Deaf vs Blind vs Mute (Like rock paper scissors)
@@grg1121 OMG SHE DID WEISS WACK NEO. Yeaaaaaa my girl know what she doing
weiss is criminally underrated. she really was fighting cinder on her own w no help at one point.
yeah no, Weiss is definitely not underrated. One of by far THE MOST popular characters in the entire show.
So was Jaune in V5
@@Potsie95 jaune had his aura back in that fight but I see your point.
I disagree. Her semblance is by far the most powerful due to the sheer versatility and utility of it. And she’s always been able to hold her own. Her personality hasn’t always been favored but her fighting prowess has never been in question.
tell that to CRWBY who underutilizes her character and skills
Winter's scream at the end is like a stab in the chest. It hurts so much. I felt it to the core.
I KNOWWWWW
The cry of anguish, regret, and unstoppable RAGE!!! We'll hear again that is for certain...... When she sees Cinder's evil ass again!! LOL 😎👍🌹
Winters voice actress did very well this season. The “oh penny” always gets me
@@andrewc988 and u could see the pain as she left Jaun and every one down like she was in pain as she saw every one of her comrades fall in war with Salem
She cares for her little sister. And when she meets Cinder again, she’s gonna run that bitch’s fade
God, Jaune was such an MVP throughout this entire volume. Putting aside all of his leadership, positive attitude, and knack for coming up with great plans; his dedication to the mission, his growth as a fighter, and his development as a character improved vastly. Still needs to undergo therapy though
Because he got pushed even more than the main character with more fighting scenes and more dialog and more importantly he pushes the plot
Almost like he’s one of the main writers OCs basically at this point. Why have the show be called RWBY
@@autism36 Don't be a child. People have always cared for non Title characters, and Jaune went through the developments early on that help now just like Ruby has an attitude that lets her have hope the most. Ren and Nora are also getting the same developments that he did early on, so don't pretend as if Miles is somehow or suddenly writing about side characters for himself.
Jaune is seriously just ptsd, the character... change my mind
@@darknessknows1235 he went through more than development he got more dialogue he got more action scenes and he got more of those important pushes that the main character should have had his arc should already be done
Weiss yelling "Get back!" with tears in her eyes while shooting Gambol Shroud at 37:05 always gives me chills. It feels very emotional that she's too distraught to think of a witty comeback and symbolic that she is using her friend's weapon.
I didn't notice the tears till now 😭
And she dual wielded it with her weapon against Cinder after that
She had to use Gambol since her Aura was broken and she wasn't able to deliver any ranged attack due to semblance not working 😕
It's the first time Weiss uses a gun
Weiss stayed the most level headed out of everyone in the fight but when she saw her friends fall she tired staying focus still but the emotions got to her sadly. It breaks my heart because Weiss is my favorite character. :(
I love how they animated Weiss' hands shaking at 37:11, because Weiss does not use guns. She never has, the closest thing she has to a gun are some of her projectile attacks with Myrtenaster, so holding a pistol for what may be the first time would feel weird to her. Not to mention she's, you know, just witnessed the assumed death of three of her closest friends and is kind of running on adrenaline and emotional overload.
I didn't thought about that !
I think it’s more of the watching her closest friends, basically family “dying”. It’s hard to see because of her eye color but she has tears in her eyes as she is shooting at Cinder. I don’t doubt not using a gun is part of it, but I bet 95% is the friends(family) “dying” part
Can we all agree that Weiss was a freaking BAD ASS in that final battle man she came a long way !!!! I cried 😭
And they say Yang stole her arc in Volume 6 with these comments I start to think that this is her arc
I think Weiss should get the maiden powers because of that
@@webesprit01 she probably will now that winter has the maiden powers. If she dies I am pretty sure they'll go to weiss because she is her sister and she cares a lot about her.
@@muzzaXD that depends
@@webesprit01 I know but if that happens then the theory of team rwby becoming maidens could be true
Weiss carried this volume and it shows, she has had the best character development, she’s a bad ass bitch and she fought Cinder while dual wielding Mytrenaster and Gambol Shroud. She lost her family, believing they were dead and continued to fight while crying on the inside. She is my favorite character in this series.
True
Me too and Ruby
I love the sequence of seeing Jaune, Penny, and Weiss ready themselves to fight Cinder at 37:44. We don't normally see these three fight alongside each other, so I lament the fact that they didn't have a 3v1 against Cinder. Also, like if you think Weiss should dual-wield more often. She knocked Neo into the portal with the Staff of Creation at 35:30 and seems to hold her own against Cinder with Gambol Shroud for a short while.
Agree with the dual wield. Similar to winters second sword
i honestly loved that camera shot, and was super excited to see them throw down with cinder. was super depressed when it lasted 5 seconds :(
@@TC-we6rj What if that teases Weiss's weapon upgrade?
The worst part is that they just stand still. All they had to do was show them running towards cinder THEN being blocked by the fire(that wiess could get above with glyphs)
If they do that for Weiss it would surprisingly work for the new world since dust doesn’t work outside of remnant hell even the upper atmosphere since she is a dust user and summoning isn’t that useful on its own that would be a neat character arc
MAN, the PAIN in Jaune's voice after unaliving Penny sends chills down my spine
The moment I saw Weiss holding Blake’s weapon as if it were her own always gets me
27:03 yeah, um, I might have said RWBY wasn’t an anime in the past but Winter really pulled an anime ko
Fr, gave me some vibes from the old super mario bros z animations
It felt like a critical hit ripped straight from Fire Emblem.
Probably could've used the old crit sound as well and get a similar, if not greater effect.
That's the move she was gonna use on Qrow
Made me think of a Pokémon move
@@kingd8468 I think you might be right
The motorbike chase is probably my favorite sequence this volume. It may not be a “fight” in the regular sense, but it’s frenetic, doesn’t take a second to breathe, and the music matches the action perfectly.
It's a fight to get Oscar back so it's technically a fight
I love all those monsters chasing after theme and motorcycle scenes are my favorite
Weiss stayed the most level headed out of everyone in the fight but when she saw her friends fall(thinking they were dead) she tired staying focus still but the emotions got to her sadly. It breaks my heart because Weiss is my favorite character. This is why I think a lot of people underestimate Weiss. She stayed focus and didn't let emotions get to her until the end when she finally saw that there was probably no more hope for them sadly. But he still had a little left, which is why she keep fighting. This is why I love Weiss so much! :(
I love how they handled Jaune's development as a Huntsman. His improvement is palpable, but he's still quintessentially the same character. He goes from barely being able to hold a sword to slashing through Grimm easily, but he never truly loses his underdog kind of feel: he's still a little clumsy with landings, awkward, and goofy. His strengths are amplified as he grows, but his flaws never really go away. I absolutely love that about him. I just wish they afforded that kind of development to Ren.
That kick she gave Ironwood had me cheering. And that Slash attack Winter used against him was the same one she was preparing to use against Qrow in volume 3!
15:18 i love how Emerald is caring for Cinder and Neo is like: "I don't give a miserable fuck"
The vibe of these fights feel very different to previous volumes. I really don't know how to describe it though. Best I can do is that they feel less like spectacles, apart from a couple, and more desperate and hard fought.
I get what you mean. Especially the final fight, it felt very much like an unbeatable battle, yet they draw the fight out as long as they could. Witch made the entire impact even better ...
In Volume 7 the fights felt more cinamatic and fast paced, but only appeared at the last three episodes.
It feels different in a good way in my opinion. I actually love the fight scenes in this volume because it happened in two days, Weiss is in combat mode again finally, Ruby having a breakdown, no rest for the heroes, Neo still being a badass and Cinder finally winning since volume 3. Felt more like a Marvel endgame fight scene but I'm not complaining. People did wanted the villains to win and it happened and I'm proud which is why volume 8 is my favorite volume with Volume 3 coming second. Just my opinion
Yeah I get what you mean too! Idk how to describe it either, but it’s definitely a good thing
@@batdestroyer0733 also they are using the environment more
There's a lack of choreography and proper flow. It's stop and go-ish, stiff, awkward movement and ends before it even gets started.
21:41 : Remember what Yang told Raven about Salem ? Guess she kept her word she really tried to go for the fight knowing she can't be killed
It’s so sad how Penny carried the volume, struggled with 2 fights on her own in one day and wound up dying in the end...
B******* the hound carried the volume.
it was undeserved. i still dont think that to this day, neo would have allied with the sole individual who was the cause of torchwicks demise. she knew she couldnt take cinder alone, but to go along with her to this extent?? no fucking way. she has proven time and again she is smarter and stronger than cinder in so many ways. i chalk it all up to shit writing
@@DOA4rocks Keep in mind that Neo was knocked off the ship and doesn't have the knowledge that a Grimm killed Torchwick. Last she saw, Ruby was fighting him and now he's dead.
@@shadows_star i maintain my shit writing stance.
@@DOA4rocks If "she has proven time and again she is smarter and stronger than cinder in so many ways." she wouldn't be teaming up with Cinder in the first place. Or, given that Cinder semi-bullied her into it, Neo would have ditched her at the soonest chance.
I loved how they are starting to use the environment more into combat.
COMPLETELY MY THOUGHTS! i really feel like it makes it more dynamic (???) and you can sense the atmosphere a lot better. i hope they will balance choreography and environment more in the future volumes, because i feel like the direction they are going with fight scenes is really interesting
@@dariac3700 I agree! I wonder if we can see more dusts or combinations! Like Fire & Earth Dust to make Lava or something
The facial journey the animated for Cinder when Rhodes drew his weapons on her was so incredible and heartbreaking. She's still so hopeful at first because now she's free, but then as realization dawns, she is so hurt by his betrayal and lack of support in a pivotal moment. Then, that hurt understandably turns to rage and determination, she's come this close to freedom and no one is going to stop her now. Just a few seconds of changing expressions conveys SO much and it's really a testament to how talented CRWBY is.
She thinks she’s free now and that’s what’s sad. she’s far too deep in the darkness, yeah shes enjoying hurting people and downright evil at this point but deep down I think she knows she’s not free and is still in pain. I think the only peace and freedom she’s ever gonna get is death.
shame everything else about it was so nonsensical.
The Hound will always be the freakiest part of Vol 8. No one can change my mind.
There isn’t much competition. Though the Apathy still beat it. But not by much
@@positivelink6961 i personnaly think the Hound is scarier cause of the fact it can talk,Strategize and his body's weird function. When i saw it for the first time i literally fell into depression thinking of what could happen.
Imo, both grim are near equal levels of danger and threat, with the Apathy beating out by just a tiny bit.
The Apathy being dangerous and threatening in the sense of dread and exhaustion they cause, while the Hound is Dangerous and Threatening since, out of all of the other grim we have seen, he is the first setient grim that can think, act and feel for it own while still remaining loyal, not to mention that it can adapt to it's situation on fly just to perform it's orders
I hope next volume we get more large scale fights. The finale fights were dope but they jump around a lot between fighting and dialogue
Man seeing him crying at 33:07 before fighting to death against winter always get me.
Little note; I know 25:05 isn't really a fight scene, but it had elements of combat along with the use of people's semblances and weapons, so I decided to include it.
It's an action scene, so it counts. Similar to the chase scene
I mean, she's fighting the virus sooo
And they're also fighting to get Penny back. Fights don't really have to be people throwing punches and all that
I wish we had a longer fight scene and huge action sequences. Closes we had was Hazel vs Salem and Team RWBY vs Cinder
@@braedenbarr4047 just like you
@@braedenbarr4047 The thing is, Salem does not have to be strong. Her strength comes from her immortality. Remember, Ozma needed to rescue her from the tower.
@@braedenbarr4047 not an anime little guy
@@guangxi1654 is that because it's 3d or because it's not Japanese, because there are many examples of anime that are both of these things.
@@braedenbarr4047 you realize the rainbow is due to her reference as the wicked witch? Like do you know how rwby works?
Im honestly really impressed with jaune's improvement
Winter was clearly not fighting as hard as she could have been. She just had to give the others more time. Pretty sure that had it just been Cinder and Winter, Cinder would have lost. Cinder clearly was fighting as hard as she could.
@Tommy Cinders09 Winter at the time was distracted by Fria dying and lost focus, she also was up against an enraged Cinder who could summon weapons. In the last fight against Cinder, she held her own even after having been almost shot by Ironwood's weapon and was still able to keep up with Cinder. Had Winter not just been trying to give Weiss and Jaune more time and had simply been fighting Cinder with the hope of legitimately defeating her, she would have won. Winter was already capable of using the winter maiden powers as soon as she got them, but was capable to a somewhat greater extent since she can already control them much better than Cinder could.
I would also go so far as to say that Winter started out with much more power overall. She was able to block Ironwood's attack, was able to fight Cinder one-on-one with no help, and would have won had Cinder not attacked Weiss and Jaune. Winter is severely underrated.
tbh Winter got hard nerfed from her first appearance, shes roughly equal to qrow who presumably is equal in combat ability to raven who bodied cinder... so
@@TylerrTazer That's true. She definetly got a major nerf in Vol7 compared to her appearance in Vol3. But I hope with her new gained power that nerf is far gone in the future. The Schnees are able to manipulate their glyphs with dust. What could they do with magic instead? Maiden powers, Summons and glyphs on top of a top fighter in general, Winter now literally IS broken 😂 Out of the 3 maidens we know I'd say utility wise she's the most powerful. Sure Raven's a pretty damn good fighter but so is Winter. Sure, Cinder's semblance comes in handy in combination with maiden powers but there is not such a great variety of what she could do with it. Think of a summon which is enhanced by i don't know fire magic which explodes in your face or which is amplified by stone so you couldn't break it while a maiden who's good at hand to hand combat constantly attacks you and keeps spamming magic and glyphs.
I personally hope that they make her set a new strenght tier. She ever sees Cinder again, she should be able to finish her off with a pretty big bang.❄❄❄❄
@@Llightmare She didn't put a glyph under Weiss as she was falling, it's like the writers forget their own characters powers and what they are capable of, solely for plot convenience (and they do)
@@TylerrTazer Qrow obviously outclassed her in their fight, clearly doing it just to troll Winter.
Neo wanting ruby dead is all she wants.
I am not suprised.
She *had* One thing.
Ironwood vs JNR, Oscar, Winter, and Emerald is honestly more a testament to how strong Ironwood is than for the rest of the fighters. Dude got ambushed, fought unarmed against 6 people, and his brain literally stopped mid-fight unable to process that he's been betrayed by the one person he didn't expect it from, and still held his own. And he beat Winter less than an hour later (Winter only won due to Penny after she basically lost)
He was the General for a reason
Winter’s fight against ironwood was really good, props to her
“You sacrificed everyone else! You closed the borders, you squeezed Mantle until it broke.”
Winter is a true boss in this fight. She landed more hits on Ironwood than he did on her. She held her own very well against the headmaster and the General of the military. With the Maiden powers inside her. She will do great things
she was fighting an old man with a gun who's only power has absolutely no use in combat.
@@christopherbravo1813 and she lost the fight until penny handed off the powers
@@kaylapuppyss yeah....I'm not even going to BEGIN to tackle everything wrong with that.
@@christopherbravo1813 I mean to be fair She's a soldier and he's a headmaster in Ozpins inner circle. People in Ozpins inner circle tend to be OP
41:49 This is what I like to think the writers were thinking. "By that point, the viewers would've probably figured out that they're not dead, so why not add one more to the mix?"
30:44 may be one of my favourite scenes in all of rwby, the music, weiss doing the sword thing, Jaune helping people and then immediately realizing that something has gone horribly wrong
Weiss was really holding her own with Cinder 😗
She did very well despite her aura being broken
The way she was tossed around the entire fight and kept going.... she did the best out of everyone tbh
@@jujubean2785 and she had the most level headedness out of everyone! Even though she saw her teammates fall one by one she never gave up hope or got angry( at least didnt show it.) She tried her best
@@muzzaXD honestly I wonder why tf the characters that were so strong a couple seasons ago are now so weak semblance wise
@@SnowBeeQt I mean obviously it's because of the animation changes that occurred at the tansition from v3 to 4 (the animation engine switch + with Monty no longer around...), but I saw someone say something like, the characters being "weaker" actually conveys and sort of embodies the way they felt invincible and full of hope and confidence when they were young students at Beacon, but once the real threat had risen, they felt how weak they actually are against Salem and although they're still young people, their old juvenile briskness sort of dissipated, which, although not ideal in the sense of how enjoyable and exciting it is to watch, does make sense
Love how hazel burns salem "at the stak"
At the "steak"
The only thing that makes Penny weaker is because of her emotions. She can hold off for a while but unlike Winter, she is the type that runs or do support teammates rather than being able to fight head on. I know that Penny is powerful, but in this Volume she hold her own. Winter is an Atlas Elite, which was a level with Qrow's but Penny is a little bit under (i mean, weaker) than that.
For all of cinders power and cunning, I still think winter would destroy her in a 1v1 to the death. The combination of the winter maiden power, the high level sword skill and the highly adaptable Glyph semblance just seems to make an almost unstoppable fighter
In a fair fight, I'd agree that Winter would curb-stomp Cinder, but a few key factors swung the fight in Cinder's favour. First, Winter had just newly received the maiden power so while Winter probably had more firepower due to her having full maiden powers, Cinder has her beat in her experience with the use of maiden power. For example in the final fight, Winter only really uses the maiden power to fly, boost her semblance, and generate some wind, both Penny and Cinder were shown to do more with it. Second, Winter came from an emotionally draining fight with Ironwood, the guy was her pesudo-father figure (cuz god knows Jaqu-ass Schnee wasn't) and she literally killed him. While Cinder also fought a bunch of people before Winter, she was winning those fights so there's no reason for her to have bad mental, if anything winning those fights and having everything go well for her was boosting her mental. Third, Cinder has no moral scruples so once Winter had her on the back foot she decided to attack Winter's aura-less (defenseless) sister as a distraction. Which bought her enough time to get the hell outta dodge with TWO entire relics. Fourth, as soon as Cinder was out of the portal she destroyed the teleport system making sure Winter couldn't come after her.
I think CRWBY forgets how much only having one eye debilitates someone, considering Cinder has gone this entire time of having the one eye without any drawbacks even though as a character it would help her. Winter would and probably would win even more because of that debilitating weakness, weird rwby super senses or not. Cinder as a fighter is all over the place, erratic and wrathful with complex strategy saved for division and cheap shots to key players to scramble her worse matchups to better herself against them. Winter is consistent, controlled and while emotionally she’s just the same amount of all over as Cinder here, she’s got control, she retreated in the right moment and such. Cinder’s scaling in the show has always been off which tbh we may find out more of considering she can’t have gone from trained in a basement to global terrorist that fast, even if she’s a prodigy. Salem’s had to have juiced her somehow more than the grim arm, which they forgot AGAIN isn’t protected by aura so she should definitely be more impaired by taking damage through it. Penny blasting her at Amity at least did knock her out and her robot arm did our strength the grim one. Winter beats Cinder in terms of righteousness and for the most part consistency in her abilities but Cinder tbh is just so all over the place in this series it’s hard to even nail where tf she lands on the ladder. TLDR cinder is too wack in this shows already wack scaling that her vs Winter is not a wash because half the time CRWBY doesn’t remember to real world concept in their magic show cause at this point losing an eye don’t bother Cinder and aura scaling is either two touch or hey you got punched in the gut but a two ton Goliath’s punch doesn’t hurt. Good lord I need a better scaled show to watch
I hate how people criticized Cinder's backstory because it doesn't justify her actions. It's not meant to, it's an explanation. Nothing will justify her killing Pyrrha.
I think people mostly criticised it because it was bland and didn't really feel worth the wait
I don't necessarily agree but I don't think they're being too nitpicky since Cinder is such an important villain
to be fair the fact her backstory is bland is because we didn't even need to see it for me .... she's based of cinderella and with what she's been saying for 7 volume we literally already knew what her backstory would be like only people who didn't pay attention to the show didn't....
I think the real problem with Cinder’s backstory was it took too long for them to show it. It seemed out of place for the sequence of events that happened in this season.
@@EricBurns1 yeah it would've been better if it was back in season 3
@@tunderdiamant8651 I mean even without the foreshadowing it's bland lol
I just realized Weiss is still fighting, even after her aura broke 😤❄️
I really love from 9:00 to 9:20 for some reason. The music just fits so well and sounds so awesome
I can't wait for the soundtrack to come out in the summer
The power of our god Jeff Williams and his amazing soundtracks
22:37 will never cease to give me chills.
“GET AWAY FROM MY ADOPTIVE CHILD YOU EMO BITCH!!!!”
I love how Jaune getting left behind is basically an accident lol. All the other characters get knocked off by one of Cinder's attacks or traps, but Jaune doesn't make it simply because he couldn't run fast enough and Winter was too distraught to remember he existed.
The Hound was such an awesome creation. I really hope we see another before the show’s end.
Istg, if it’s Summer
I dunno. It will never truly be the same, impact wise, unless she graduates to Grimm humans.
Man, I can’t believe its been over a year since Volume 8 absolutely tore our hearts apart
2 years and i still feel despair
I cant believe 1/4 of fights of volume 8 belong to final episode. They did such a good job with quarantine and other things.
26:03 was my favorite fight for sure, they just got the allies and then decided to put down this fkin lunatic for good
Also the Penny, Weiss, Jaune part was such a cool shot and I wish they did more with it
I think Weiss will get dual wielding just like her sister..
And also there are few ATLA references performs by Cinder
Is it me or weiss does better dual welding better than her only sword?
I misses Weiss' early volumes fighting styles
@@forsakenfaithfallenfrey6914 same.
@@forsakenfaithfallenfrey6914 same
14:47 It's weird how Cinder peels off the wall, then looks like she's 15 feet away from it.
Volume 7 & 8 fights were pretty solid; this is the most fluid they’ve been since 2 & 3. I’m here for it. 🔥💁🏾♀️👏🏾
Your joking right?:/
@@therandom_dude no I’m not. I have my opinion, and you have yours.
Malik Somers did you like the writing in volume 8?
@@playertwowithjamesandjohn7944 most of it was okay with somethings I didn’t expect but all in all I think it was a good volume.
I think the fights are definitely slower as well
Kk but Glynda Goodwitch deserves another moment to shine. The way she used her telekinesis still sticks with me 😩
I’m so proud of CRWBY for being able to make volume 8 even with the pandemic going on
I like that they were able to do it but the problem is that the writing wasn't always the best and this volume even though it wasn't horrendous it wasn't exactly good either. I believe it would have been better to take a longer hiatus with the show because...well to be honest the ones who should take all the credit for a good job should be the animators not the writing team
@@chrissotiriou5028 RWBY's animators have improved so much. Even if the writing isn't always the best, the show still has great visuals.
@@universalcerberus5863 nice visuals, but very slow, short, uninspiring fights.
Can we just take a moment -(of silence)- to appreciate Ironwood as a character? This beast of a man went from someone we'd expect to come out of a series like RWBY, to straight-up being a modern Tywin Lannister. Willing to put an entire city to the torch to get what he wanted done, and silence anyone foolish enough to open their mouth about his actions.
During his ultimatum broadcast, I legit got chills. This was an antagonist done right. Doing everything he could to keep what little of his kingdom alive, and slowly descending into a sociopathic madness the more he lost.
I get annoyed personally when people say his fall came out of nowhere. We saw in Volume 2 and 3 that he was pretty much a control freak and I always had the idea that he was one really bad day away from a full break. While his snap could’ve been built better, I disagree that it came out of nowhere. Thoughts?
"antagonist done right?" this was nothing short of CHARACTER ASSASSINATION!
@@christopherbravo1813 I'm not going to do much arguing with this fandom. I'd be wasting all my breath.
But out of all the gripes about this show I don't believe Ironwood himself should be one of them.
His character stays rather consistent with a downward spiral. My only gripe would be his unfitting death.
I would have loved to see him be kept alive as a rouge element to the series. Not a protagonist, but also not purely a villain.
@@nirablackfire2792 I don't really think that Ironwood finding out he's been lied to would cause him to immediately become a military dictator.
@@christopherbravo1813 Being lied to was only a small part of why. But okay.
38:55 mint havent notice before that weiss was fighting with double swords, one of them blake's weapon thats cool,
would be nice if rooster teeth make her use double weapons like her sister in the next vol.)
I just wish Blake felt like a more competent fighter, she had a really bad Volume both in terms of plot relevance and in fights.
I agree that she could've don't more in terms of plot relevance but wasn't volume 6 like dedicated to her..?
@@ryle2814 I watch RWBY because I want to see RWBY. My one complaint about V6 was that Weiss didn't really have much to do. My big complaint about V5 was that Weiss didn't get much, for V4 it was Yang, V3 Blake, V1 Yang.
V6 also wasn't really dedicated solely to Blake. Yang also got stuff, so did Ruby and Qrow and Oscar and Jaune. Blake was absolutely a big player, but she wasn't the ONLY big player.
@@PhoenixFire2 Yeah I like the side characters but the "main characters" seriously need more spotlight
@@ryle2814 agree
Blake is my favorite character so I feel the pain. In her fight scenes, I thought she was about to go off but she kind of didn’t. I don’t know, she did better but I can’t wait for her to fully beat someone up.
I am so proud how Jaune develop throughout Rwby:)
I personally love seeing winter fight to me it shows what Weiss could be with the same training
5:03 most badass NORA moment!! 😎🌩 💯
Just realized now that Cinder knocked a bunch of people off the bridge wonder where they are in the Ever After and why Jaune hadn't found them. Makes me also think the cat really is trying to bring them home maybe the cat already got them to the tree.
CRWBY confirmed that they are dead. They are ordinary civilians with no aura so they stood zero chance against a Maiden.
The fight guy here, back again. Thanks so much for this! Great as usual and good fps
36:15 I probably said it over and over again but this part is so good
Ruby's craftiness in battle has always been soe cool. I'm glad it's still a thing
It's really out of character for Neo to fall for something as simple as that. Her entire fighting style is about tricking her opponent and yet she gets duped instantly.
@@octoartstuff We've seen her fall for those tricks before. Like when Ruby opened her umbrella in V3 or when Penny shot her and she wasnt paying attention
@@venzivenzivenzi that was epic of Ruby
I LOVE the fights this volume!
Lowkey so salty they made Penny a "real girl" just to kill her off! That's gonna be a lot of drama next season tho cause you know Ruby is gonna be so upset by that! Can't wait to see what happens next
Ruby will be devastated, Jaune traumatized, Weiss will probably have to explain because Jaune will be too occupied crying with guilt.
I don't think Ruby could be mad at Jaune. I think she would understand the circumstances that Jaune was in. I think she would be really sad tho
@@jcoolguy1548 she could also be out for Neo and Cinder’s blood though. Could make for good character contrast if Neo suddenly found herself in Ruby position, except she’s alone with a bunch of grieving and possibly bloodthirsty teenagers.
honestly, this volume has some of my favorite fight scenes. my all time favorite may be the ace ops fight, but the fights in this volume were all consistently amazing. The winter, emerald and ORNJ vs ironwood fight, the fight where theyre all on the bikes chasing the hound, the cinder vs rhodes fight, hazels fight against salem, winter v ironwood ("You chose nothing, this was a gift" ALWAYS gives me chills, winter v cinder, theyre all some of my favorite fights in the show. Theres a reason volume 8 is my favorite volume in the series. the new style of fights really improved in volume 7 and 8, and i cannot wait for the fights in volume 9.
Can I just say Penny’s voice actor is killing it in the scream department! Penny is def one of the 10/10 scream queens! 🫶🏽🫶🏽
Ironwood took an entire team with his impressive skill, showing his high speed and high durability, so much that Winter had to use her STRONGEST move to defeat him.
Jesus this dude is absolutely cracked.
I refuse to believe that man is dead lmfao he finna swim somewhere. But people really do need to give him his props, I mean he did some messed up stuff but I kinda get why he did it....
21:47 I JUST noticed, her flesh has frozen in the air after being exploded out.
39:28
This is the moment where the saga completely destroyed me
This is a long one, so sit back, grab some popcorn, and get ready to either agree with me, or roast me.
People may disagree with me, but I really love the fight scenes recently, and (imo), I say they'll equal to Monty's in their own way. Monty's fight were amazing: They had elegance to them, they were swift and precise. And the camera work in them made it 20x better. But I feel like we never fully explored into the characters strengths and weaknesses a lot. We had scenes where with RWBY v the Nevermore in Volume 1, they had to work together and use their strengths to combat the grimm, and with JNPR v the Deathstalker doing the same thing. But since most fights were with grimm, or goons of the White Fang, we never really saw each of the heroes weaknesses. We only really saw them in fights with stronger grimm or with other characters, or villains, like Roman Torchwick, Neo, Cinder, and more to name. Now it could just be me, but whenever I go back and see the fight scenes, they'll very cool to watch and hook me up, but I just don't see those weaknesses unless it is those scenes. Hopefully I'm not the only one that sees this.
With a good amount of Volume 6 fights, Volume 7 fights, and Volume 8 fights, they are 1000x better than Volume 4 and 5 for the most part. They may not have the flashy camera movement that the Monty fights had, or 100% the elegance of them, but you can see that in the fights of Volume 6, 7, and 8, each movement for the most part in the fights are thought out, and they lead to each step, similar to how Monty wanted to make his fight style. Like for example, let's compare the Geist grimm fight from Volume 4 and 7. The Volume 4 fight had some cool scenes in it, but I think we can pretty much agree that it felt slow, clunky kinda. Of course it was the first fight to the new animation program they were using, but for a near 5 minute long fight, I feel like we got robbed. Like, the elegant movement wasn't there, and it was more a way to introduce the audience to the 4 characters, but they could of done it better.
With the fight in Volume 7, it was faster (like a 1 minute 30 to 2 minute long fight basically), and at first I thought it really couldn't have been done. But they properly introduced us to the Ace Ops and how they could work together as a team, introducing each of their strengths when paired, and keeping the elegance of the fight. Even compared to Volume 4's Geist, the Geist in Volume 4 kinda moved slow, clunky, like how the characters were. The Geist here, being basically the same shape and size, felt more faster, more powerful as well. Just go back and see the scene where Clover joined the fight, as the Geist is trying to time a stomp to hit Harriet, it sees Vine closing in on it and tries to hit him. Vine dodges the attack though and knocks the Geist into the wall, but it recovered and went for a powerful and deliberate strike on Harriet. This recovery took just less than two seconds, from the time of impact on the wall to the time of impact on the ground with it's first.
We can tell a clear difference between how these two fights go, and I feel like CRWBY included this second Geist grimm fight to try and rectify their first one, and imo, they damn well nailed it. Showing that each and every character has an importance in the fight. Now what I do wish for a fight like this is to be slightly longer, but I think we all have to realize that Volume 1 and 2 fights weren't very long either. RWBY and JNPR versus the Nevermore and Deathstalker may have been around 5 minutes combined, but each of those two fights separately (RWBY v Nevermore / JNPR v Deathstalker) were around 1 minute 45 seconds, to about 2 minutes and 30 seconds.
Even though they've shown they can do the elegant / fast paced, action thrilling fight scenes, I feel like those aren't 100% to Monty's yet, and they still have a way to grow. However, I did say they'll equal to Monty in their own way, and I mean that. As I said, Monty's fight, up against a typical grimm or goon, never shown the characters weaknesses much. The gang always just kicked their asses 24/7, unless it was Roman, Neo, Cinder, or a few others like the chainsaw dude or the Nevermore grimm. With the newer fights, we're focusing more on usually character v character, or more powerful grimm like the Hound. And here, we can see the characters struggle, we see their weaknesses in the cracks of their strengths. Ruby may be fast and elegant with her semblance, but her weapon is her weakness because it's slow, and heavy built. So up against a normal standard, medium or heavy built grimm, we may not see that weakness. Like how we didn't see it against that alpha grimm in Volume 7 (forgot it's name, sorry). But up against an opponent like Harriet, whose semblance is speed, Ruby couldn't use her weapon because it would slow her down. It's a reason why she used her semblance, to keep distance from Harriet and tire her out. We can physically see that in the Volume 7 fight. It's also a reason why Ruby struggled against Neo, and I feel like a lot of people knew this as well. Ruby's fight style is get up close or disorientate the enemy with her semblance, then go in for the attack with Crescent Rose. She did this with the goons in Volume 1. She was constantly on the move, and closing the gap each time. Neo's fight is with elegant movement, make the enemy tire themselves out before you attack. We see Neo doing this to Ruby during the fight. She's over there standing, just dodging and attacking when needed. Ruby knows this is how Neo fights, but I feel like with the grief of Yang's "death" in her head, so can't think straight. And we can see that, Ruby knows she can't win a 1v1 fight against Neo on attrition, so what does she do. She baits Neo into a trap, which I feel like is also a weakness of Neo (surprisingly).
Reason why I say this is a weakness of Neo isn't because it's super easy to bait her or anything. I'm saying this because when you catch her off guard, she loses her elegance and her edge. We can see this partly in Volume 7. Oscar caught her off guard out of nowhere and he got the hit on her. In Volume 8, she thought she was fighting an old lady. Not someone that was previously a huntress that could easily counter her fight style without trying. I feel like she can be caught off guard (not easily, but still) if she thinks you're not around. And I also think that another weakness of Neo is she's almost narrowminded (not badly narrowminded). If she's focused on this one thing, I feel like she doesn't think fully, or keep an eye on her surroundings. We see this when she fights with Maria. She didn't like how an old lady just almost bested her, so she was gonna go for the kill, but she got blasted by Penny. I feel like if she wasn't narrowminded, she would of seen that attack coming. Same thing when Ruby knocked her off the bridge. I feel like if she wasn't focused on killing the person in front of her, she would of reacted against Ruby's plan.
I could go on 24/7 about the weaknesses and such we see in the volumes, but I figure I won't. In my opinion, you can make a compelling and very entertaining fight scene a different number of ways. You can either do Monty's style, or this current CRWBY style. Because as I said in my opinion, both of these fight styles are very entertaining and compel us to watch more. What are your thoughts on this essay lol.
I agree with you 100%. Finally I'm not the only person who feels this way as well.
@@DarkRyder44 That makes me happy there's someone that agrees with this. I also thought I was the only person who felt this way.
I enjoyed reading your essay. I've never thought this deep about how fights improved in their own way. I agree fights got way more better like geist fight. I love how now fights have background, I mean not just showing fight but also characters' weaknesses, personalities. Cuz of that ı love Ace Ops vs Rwby fight so much. I noticed when Neo focused on something/someone it was easy to catch her offguard but you really went another level on this😮😯. Also one last thing, about cresent rose slows her down, thats why she spins and makes it dance around her, to gain momentum not just for power but also to covering up her weakness of it. But against Neo who uses others momentum against them her fighting style doesn’t work out. 😊
I agree and disagree... Volume 4 and 5 were the weakest volumes in fight scenes. Volume 6 started to show potential again with neo vs cinder and adam vs blake and later with yang. Volume 7 is when it became real good since volume 4, even resembling Monty's style.....however not in volume 8...Volume 8 fights has that charm fight scene from volume 7 but it became less choreographed and just bland to watch. Little fight dynamics (see fight scenes of tyrian, clover, and qrow- these are nicely choreographed and has dynamics).
@@JAM_FRIO Yeah I do agree. Volume 4 and 5 in terms of fight scenes were the weakest. But I believe that is in part due to them losing Monty and trying to find a fight style that works best for them, which trial and error always works and it did with Volume 6 and 7.
I can also see the argument for V. 8. I do agree, the fight scenes aren't as choreographed as Volume 6's Neo V Cinder / Blake + Yang V Adam. Or the fight scenes in Volume 7. But I think the reason why for that extends from two reasons. 1) Maybe they wanted to try to explore the characters strengths and weaknesses more in a fight, which put back the choreographed fights. Or 2) This volume was made during a pandemic, so maybe they had to make due with what they could do at the time. Though your argument still stands. V. 8 wasn't really choreographed.
Hopefully V. 9 can improve that
Literally the darkest volume ever but RT continues to do an amazing job
Ren: give Oscar back
The Hound: no
Ren: >:(
As Winter was leaving she thought: oh Jean I forgot you were there… noooo oh well.
It feels like ever since the Adam fight, Blake's become way more dependent on Yang and the others. Her fights lack a certain determination
Cinder's backstory is like Cinderella so much, but I guess that makes sense because not only is she a maiden but she also is "Cinder"ella
I wish we get to see more fight in Hazel vs Salem, Team RWBY vs Cinder and Cinder vs Winter.
26:17 - 26:21
….Okay Rooster Teeth I’ll give you that one. That was pretty funny.
The fact that Penny got Jaunn to kill her was crazy.
武器とか動きとかすごくカッコいい!
お話も面白いし好き
Hazel was awesome in his fight against Salem
So many characters were amazing in how far they’ve come in the series but Hazel was such a badass to fight Salem like that
Something that kinda bugs me is they have Weiss, who can literally create platforms, and even at the end, they also have Winter… they still manage to let everyone fall into the abyss, they were warned and they still failed… I just feel after everything then there is quite a loophole there
Why I have a feeling Cinder and Salem are going to combine into the final villain with all of the powers of the maidens like Lex Luther and Brainiac did in Justice League?
Omg, why didn't I think of this? My thought is that Cinder is going to get killed, that's going to trigger toxic Salem's issues/ her inability to accept her responsibility for what happened to her and Ozma's kids (because I get the sense that although Salem's crazy ass would not hesitate to kill Cinder, someone else doing it will feel like yet another person taking something from her), and we're going to see her in rare form.
I need to start watching again.
I'm a little late with my comments, but I just wanted to say the fights this volume (person against person fights) all felt more weighted and real, like the odds of winning and losing feel so different compared to other volumes (and yes I'm counting Adam and Clover getting shanked sue me) and with Penny's death, team RWBY + Jaune + Neo falling into "whatever the hell you wanna call it" I get the feeling that the fights in Volume 9 are going to be harder than anything we've seen before. Also I'm waiting for my Winter and Raven v Cinder rematch ;)
Depending on where they focus, Volume 9 might be a bit of a breather like Volume 6, which we honestly need, if only for an episode.
@@user-bj5ki6sr6c yeah, from the looks of the end credit scene, it seems like the ones that fell landed onto some island
@@jcoolguy1548 I’d disagree solely for the fact someone’s finding Penny’s body. Could be cool to see some role reversal as Neo is hunted down by grief-stricken, bloodthirsty teenagers.
everyone's talking about Weiss -- rightfully so, but Penny's fight with Cinder ending only because she noticed Emerald was worried? my heart.
What a great volume for the show’s fight choreography! There’s some writing choices that hamper the last few but overall, I’m very proud of CRWBY for their work on Vol 8, solid stuff!
While it took 3 people to take down Tyrian, It took 5 people + 1 high-ranking soldier to take down Ironwood: a testament to his skill and durability. What an absolute unit.
Ren: give him back
Grimm: N o
Ren: 👁️👄👁️❔❔❔
THEY REALLY LET OSCAR GET BODIED LIKE THAT
Maaaaan.....there were times I just shouted out loud and embarrassed myself from being immersed into the action sequences. 😆🤣
I’m hoping Weiss gets to mix more dual wielding into her style in the future. That moment where she drew her blade and Blake’s sent shivers down my spine.
27:03 "Foolishness, Ironwood. Foolishness..."
26:03 alternative fight name clip is
everyone vs ironwood
24:10 You can see how Salem's left eye has regenerated before it's lid.
That’s never leaving my brain
That,"No" still gives me the chilly wumps
Penny vs Cinder fight was kinda slay
RWBY has so many epic fight scenes. It's awesome
I hope Winter keeps her promise to Cinder in Volume 10
THE FIGHT SCENES THIS VOLUME WERE A WHILE NEW LEVEL OF BADASS
Were they? I thought they were lack lustre. They were all really short and most of them were with big groups of people so no one had a chance to shine. Winter v Ironwood could have been great but for some reason they gave him a big clunky gun instead of his interesting revolvers
@@lucasrobin2788 It's all a matter of taste tbh. I loved these fights and they are definitely my favorites so far, but that's just because I loved the vibe of the volume. It's right up my alley, but making the fights longer wouldn't hurt. What I FULLY agree with is the stupid gun they made Ironwood use. His pistols would have made for a more exciting fight. My guess is that it was supposed to keep the focus on Winter and give her a chance to shine, but it was a still choice lol.
missing the old choreography ngl, but I never even peeped that cinder breathed fire towards weiss 37:30
Another amazing video! Nice work Strange!