Which Pokémon Region has the Best Early Game Makeup?
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Each Pokémon region has its own unique attributes, but I think can all agree if they don't grab you in the early game it'll hard to enjoy anything past that, especially if there are almost no Pokémon to use. So let's rank all the early routes on how well they handle their composition of Pokémon; and there might be more then you think!
I particularly appreciate when early routes have a really unique rare spawn, like the Riolu in BW2 or Bagon in SM. Something to reward players dedicated enough to find them and change up the usual party members. In Sinnoh, it’s usually some combination of Starter, Starly, Shinx, Machop, and Budew
Don't forget Buizel
@@Squirtle_Squad_Supremacy that as well.
That Riolu bugs me because it devalues the Lucario that bonds with you and is gifted to you.
Like, sorry, but I've had a Lucario since the beginning of the game.
Bro it takes forever to get ralts in emerald
@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 I’m sorry how lmAo
Being able to catch a level 10 Salamence is freaking insane.
Level 10 salamence?
@@Stringspuller88 SOS chaining a Bagon in gen 7 could lead to it calling for a Salamence 1% of the time
@@nonbread7911 Yeah, super rare.
1% Bagon encounter, it having a 1% chance to SOS call Salamence
SOS was a really cool feature tbh
@@nonbread7911 and, iirc, SOS chains increase shiny odds, so there is the chance of getting a level 10 shiny salamence
I really love how the Alola games have grass in some of the cities because it’s the closest we’ve had to Pokémon truly being everywhere like the anime. And logically, feral Pokémon would be in the cities and parks so it makes sense. I know some indoor locations across the various games have encounters but those are usually ruins or abandoned spaces.
True, and it's great for extra nuzlocke options!
I remember FR/LG had the pokemon guide that sorted pokemon by their habitat. One of the categories was urban. That'd be the only other reference I can think of.
The closest was the sewers in castelia
Shroomish can also be found in Petalburg woods in hoenn, thus also giving you a solid team member. You’re even given an incentive they are there
True, I didn't go into detail about it because that's past the cutoff, but certainly useful for the Rock type gym!
@@emperorcubone And Shroomish turns into a great fighting type Breloom which can help you out in the game. Worth nothing If you didn’t chose Torchic or want to wait until Dewford to catch Makuhita, who is also a great tool to use
I played Emerald a few years ago and my team was straight up Breloom and Swampert as the heavy hitters, (Aggron in victory road later) Tropius as HM slave, and Rayquaza at the end. My entire game was just Breloom dealing with Aqua and Swampert with Magma.
I'd certainly count Petalburg woods as the routes surrounding the first city.
Alola having such a hugely diverse range of Pokémon available so early on makes sense when you think about it. Tropical regions tend to have more biodiversity, so therefore more species of Pokémon. Not sure if this was intentional by developers, but if so, nice touch.
might be, before Alola, Hoenn was considered the most tropical region and is one of the ones with more diversity too
The Pokémon you encounter in the first few routes can really impact my impression on a new region. Probably a significant factor why ended up really liking Kalos. Great combination of cute and strong new and old Pokémon
I did find it odd how Kalos had SO many Pokémon on every route, it really gave a purpose to exploring every path!
Honestly that might be why I liked replaying through Kalos. It’s very easy to form a really different team even early on. I do think another big reason there’s so many options is because they probably wanted to show off the fancy 3D models of both new and old Pokémon.
Variety is important for sure. There isn’t a 100% set team you’ll have because there are a bunch of different team compositions you can have
I feel the same. It’s actually why I am not all that fond of Sinnoh. Sure, SOME of the early route Pokémon are cool, like Shinx, Budew, and if you stretch it, Ponyta that you can find north of the first gym in Platinum. But I don’t care for most of the early route Sinnoh Pokémon like Starly, Kricketot, Bidoof (blasphemy, I know), and even Buizel. It makes getting through a Sinnoh playthrough a drag. Long live Hisui!
You forgot something at number 6: You can fish next to the profs house to get magikarp and arrokuda.
Can you fish that early? It's been a while... I couldn't find an Arrokuda until Hulbury.
@@emperorcubone Yes, you actually start the game with the fishing rod.
Yup. I was going to point this out. Having an Arrokuda so early can be a game changer.
@@emperorcubone Yeah. There is the battle area in front of the house where you have your second rival battle. To the left of that is a lake with a single fishing spot where you can fish before entering the profs house. iirc it has 90% magikarp and 10% arrokuda.
I caught an Arrokuda there. He was a main stay on my team because he hit strong and fast.
11:44 Don't forget about Shroomish there, which is arguably the best one in that selection.
Fr when my shroomish evolved into breloom it was the mvp of my team
Also where tailow
I absolutely agree that USUM has the best early route options. I think I read you can potentially have a Pokemon of every type before leaving the first island.
I haven't checked the numbers but it sounds right; it's the only region to have early Ice Pokémon.
Does that require the QR code feature? I’m not sure what Ice mon is on the first island.
@@AverageEggmonEnthusiast I think they might be talking about Smoochum in the Seaward Cave
@@emperorcubone Its not the only region to have Early Ice Pokemon if we include the Galar Wild Area though. You can literally find Snorunt, Swinub, Vanillite and Delibird in the snow
@@Ben-wu3or Smoochum and Delibird
The Pokémon you can get early in USUM are amazing. I love how diverse overall the Alola dex is. I played Ultra Sun three times and used different 6 Pokémon each time. The team building potential is so fun in these game, unlike some others where your options can be limited.
You could honestly probably use six different Pokemon for each island, but that sounds like a lot of work! But that's the main reason I love replaying Pokemon games, to try out new teams!
@@emperorcubone Using new team on each island sounds like cool challenge, but I probably couldn't do it, because I always get attached to my Pokémon.
Glad I’m not the only one who spent 3 hours in that first area of Legends Arceus, I was just filling out the dex challenges the whole time, and it took me a while to find an Eevee, I didn’t know they were there at the time.
I know! It was so fun finding a new Pokémon I didn't know was there before! I also found a shiny Drifloon just because I was running around the same spots so much!
3 Hours? I spent more than 60 hours there & you can explore much more than said inside the video. You can cross rivers without the official game progression (that 1 bridge) getting to an area with Psyduck & Buneary, you can sneak past the Snorlax to an area with Luxray as well. Hisui deserved the #1 Spot all things considered just because of how much early game freedom there was. You can easily get to Level 30 just from playing there without it feeling like grinding.
That schoolyard Zorua/Zoroark from my Ultra Sun help turned the Ultra Necrozma battle into a joke iykyk.
The moral of that being, stay in school and you too can defeat a light eating dragon from space!
Agreed. I put my Hariyama at the back and Zoroark in front, so Necrozma kept spamming a Psychic move which was unnafected.
Surskit only has a 1% encounter rate in the Hoenn Route 102 grass. That’s lower than Ralts. Even though Surskit/Masquerain isn’t that good in Hoenn, it always felt so special because I knew how rare it was at that point in the game.
Yet I somehow seem to find Surkit more often than Ralts. Weird...
@@emperorcubonesame, unless I'm looking for one for my team. Then no Ralts, and no surskit
Ah yes, I still remember the shock I had to see a surskit
Didn't surskit & skitty have random swarms where you could watch TV & then they became common for a day or something? I don't know the crazy Gen 3 Code at all, good luck getting to Mirage Island or the Rooftop Sales!
It really says something about Galar’s early options when by the end of my first playthrough, I had 3 of them on my final team with another one in reserve.
I was shocked that Chewtle was found from the beginning, because I wanted to use Drednaw from right when I saw it in the trailers beforehand!
I was honestly surprised at how low paldea is. When I started the game I was just hucking balls at everything and anything and I was in awe at the fact that I had like 20 dex slots filled before I even finished the TUTORIAL! Even if you follow my rule of new Pokemon only, I was still already making team decisions by the time I got to school because there's just so many Pokemon in the little slice of land.
Same.
You have all the good early birds, ralts, paldean wooper, diglett, houndour, mareep, lots of options for an early game team! I replayed Violet recently and it’s probably my favorite base dex to work with to date.
This is why Alola is still my favorite region. It's just so expansive.
To me it has to be Alola. You can have your team done by the first island. Galar is also great with this as well.
Johto will always have a special place in my heart. You feel the culture and identity of the region very early on and it just grows from there.
Unova is a good one too
If we're talking culture Kalos is surprisingly good at it too, given you go through 3 towns in quick succession, all of them different from each other.
The identity of the region being Kanto
johto is the weeb region but is still pretty good
@@urbana7547 Pretty crazy how a game made in Japan primarily for a Japanese audience is so Japanese
Hoenn and Sinnoh have that exact same feeling for me
Despite B/W having the fewest early options, Herdier does end up being in my opinion the best early route Normal pokemon.
It is super helpful that it evolves so early!
Better. Than taloflame
@@Watch-0w1 Talonflame I consider early route bird (& would put in 2nd, just behind Corviknight).
Herdier I would put as the best normal type (ahead of Raticate, Sentret, Linoone, Bidoof, Yungoose, etc).
@@Watch-0w1He said best normal type, Talonflame is Fire/Flying
@@nonbread7911 o oh sorry I didn't read it right.
I thought The pairy dog was the normal type you come across early
This reminds me of the great difficulty balance Alola had, they gave you many tools for the adventure yet they weren't easy games.
Yellow version is part of the reason I loved the mankey line. Being a kid i was always into using attacking moves and never bothered with stat moves. So in pokemon Red, I struggled because I refused to choose anything other than Charmander. Mankey was a game changer for Brock. That original Primeape episode also greatly helped lmao
I remember being a kid and going to Walmart when Pokémon yellow came out and one of the Walmart associates there was actually playing yellow and told me and my brother that you can now catch mankey early to beat Brock easily. Man, time flies…
If you were to include the Wild Area, it would expand upon Galar's options immensely. You go there before Motostoke, and there's tons of Pokemon to find that aren't too strong to catch.
Indeed. During my first playthrough, I spent so long in the Wild Area just catching new Pokémon that my starter evolved. But once it did, my thought was “Okay, I think it’s time to move on.”
I found my first full odds shiny in the wild area before my first gym! Little ruby red duskull
@@rue8638 What a coincidence! Duskull was my first shiny in Sword, though it took me until just outside Stow-On-Side to find it.
@@michaelnelson1127 woah cool! What’s yours named? Mine is Mrs. Orbs
@@rue8638 Wait, you can nickname your shinies? Joking aside, I didn’t really bother with nicknames for my first playthrough. Though if I had to, I think Death Glare could be a good one.
emporer cubone: "hmm, i'm not sure we should count route 22 for kalos with great encounters like riolu, litleo and psyduck, so kalos should be no. 9"
also emporer cubone: "ok so i know they come after reaching jubilife but let's just count route 204, the ravaged path and the old rod, sinnoh should be no. 7"
feels like you're doing kalos a little dirty
Eh, even if it were included it would only move up about one or two spots. But I still feel like exploring before the first rival battle is quite acceptable to include...
Overal i feel like this a reasonable assessment but also feel some region got a short straw in where the 'early game' was determined to finish. Like some were 2 routes and not to first gym and others were 5-6 routes all the way to the first gym.
@@emperorcubone i see where you're coming from and i agree that its fair to include up to the rival fight as well, it just struck me as odd that you specifically cut route 22 off from kalos despite allowing things like kanto route 2, despite being after the story stuff with the old man and oaks parcel, or munna which can't be obtained until after the first gym in unova cause of cut (not that it affected unova's placement anyway but still) but drew the line at kalos, despite that route housing a rare early game fire type which would help greatly with the first bug gym or riolu which due to being a friendship evo could immediately become a lucario and be a very strong force in the early game. just felt like there was no real reason to cut off that route specifically, but it was still an enjoyable video regardless
@@poiuygfd47 Yes and you cannot literally catch that Fire type and its evolutions (Litleo and Pyroar) on any other route either.
You can also fish on Route 2, adding a Magikarp and Arrokuda in Galar. Which would give you a Gyarados before gym 1.
I do think the "route 1" options of hisui are insane and diverse too. imagine if they make a Route 1 where every single type even dragon is available?
6:22 It's not padding the numbers, it's called giving player different options. Want a normal type but doesn't like ratatta ? Okay, here's zigzagoon, bidoof, pidgey and whatever.
Also, it makes random encounters less grading. Encountering pidgey and rattata 100 times gets annoying much faster than encountering multiple other pokemon at an equivalent frequency
I mean, I guess...? But I'd rather have Actual choice and variety, where I can actually use different types! Instead of being offered so much pure Normal, would it kill them to give us a Ground type for once?
@@emperorcubone I don't think having both type variety on early routes and having multiple different options to choose within a single type are conflicting ideals. They could easily strive for both without sacrificing one.
3:48 I honestly didn’t know this between giving the player an early grass Pokémon and allowing Venonat to spawn earlier let’s go really fixed a lot of problems the Kanto region has when it comes to encounters and where they spawn
Yep! It wasn't as pointless as everyone said!
I dont wanna be THAT guy but
You CAN get headbutt before badge 2, its incredibly unlikely someone would put up with the grind needed, but you can
You should've counted everything up to the first gym in each game. Because Kanto has Viridian forest and you specifically said you weren't counting it, which makes no sense. It's fair to count everything up to Pewter City, so adding Pidgeotto to Yellow version and Pikachu to the other games makes it slightly better.
It's unfair because you counted everything before Violet City in Johto, despite having a city before it. Much like Kanto having Viridian ahead of Pewter.
I specifically did not include everything before Violet City; there was no Bellsprout or Dunsprace on the list. And also Galar alone throws the "first gym" cutoff out the window!
@emperorcubone Your point about Galar is a good one. I completely forgot about Bellsprout and Dunsparce, well I guess you did keep things rather fair
Your videos have inspired me to play Pokémon again. The nostalgia has gotten to me so I’m happy to say I bought a DS lite and 2 emulator cartridges that include all of the DS lite and GBA Pokémon games + random other games.
Oh wow, I'm glad I've helped to reignite the spark! I personally love HGSS!
link??? i’d love those carts
Not that it changes ratings, but Paldea also requires you to go through a cave with Diglett and Yungoos.
Don't forget Houndour, Diglett and Yungoos in the cavern on Poco Path!
I think you put paldea too low, everything from start to the nemona battle in front of mesagoza feels lush with not only options, but interesting options
Alola was the best region for early route Pokémon in my opinion. You can literally get Pikachu, Bagon, Zorua, Munchlax, Smoochum, and the Kanto and Johto starters before you even start the first trial. Most of these Pokémon are usually found/gifted in the mid to late game or even post game in other titles.
Ooh, yeah I totally forgot about the island scan thing! That makes it even better!
The fact that Shroomish didn't get a mention in the Hoenn section is a crime
Shroomish in petalburg forest too - breloom is a beast
I think you undersold Paldea. I'd consider any area you can legally reach before you get your mount pokemon to count as the early route. It's like 50 different pokemon.
Happy that My 3 favorite regions made the top 5 being Hoenn for nostalgia, Alola cause it was the first region I got my shiny charm and Paldea cause I love the route Pokémon is taking the franchise! I also do love Legends so honorable mention to it! 😊
The early game in BW is so shockingly awful it makes me legitimately angry. Nice to see it at the bottom where it deserved to be.
This is so true! It makes it the worst games to replay...
I love Ledyba and Spinarak and I have a phobia of spiders..but Lechonk won my heart and I kept Oinkologne for a fair bit. ( Redone )
I feel like early game should encompass every route you can access before fighting the first gym leader. not just up to the first major city. although maybe for galar and paldea, the first major city should be their limit. for galar, the first gym is turfield so i think everything before motostoke is up for grabs. Actually maybe the wild area should be excluded too. in paldea’s case, you can choose the first gym you take on and its so open ended where you can go so that’s just unfair for the other regions, yeah everything before you can access before entering mesagoza excluding glitches.
Yeah, Galar singlehandedly made "the first gym" an unreasonable measurement. And did Paldea really need even more options? It's already easily the largest number...
The problem with limiting Galar and Paldea to the first city, rather than the first gym is then the reverse and unfair to them. So for Galar, i would still say exclude the wild area's, but include the routes past Motostoke.
For Paldea, just use the areas before Bug and Grass gym, but everything after is excluded.
In SM/USUM, you can catch Makuhita before the first trial, and during the trial you have access to Brick Break TM that help alot against the Totem. Especially in Moon/UM that 4x super effective Brick Break would make short work of Totem Alolan Raticate.
Hoenn is definitely my favorite Region when it comes to early game team building. I often pick up an Aron early on as well just after the first gym. There are a lot of great options for team building, so often I enjoy using something I haven't used before. In terms of late game options I never considered Walrein until recently, but then I found out it is actually quite amazing in the story.
I hate that Walrein is so late because it's a great Pokemon! Plenty of amazing teams can be built in Hoenn, even from the beginning!
USUM's Melemele is the goat it literally has mons for ALL 18 TYPES available before Hala.
Need a Ghost Type? Ghastly, Drifloon.
Need a Steel Type? Magnemite, Mawile.
Need a Fighting Type? Hawlucha.
Dragon? Noibat, SALAMENCE.
Ice? Smoochum, Delibird.
You literally have options for any type. USUM Melemele Island is the GOAT.
That is the one area with early Ice types, you're right!
@@emperorcubone And if you want even more you can use island scan aswell.
Sapphire was the game that got me into gaming at all, so it made me so happy to see Hoenn so high up
So excited to see the gen 7 love :) my favourite games for sure
Gen 5 - 9 are painful to start a new game.
I don't think gens 6 or 7 are all that bad; you can fill out a decent team in no time!
@@emperorcubone I meant painful as in you are going to wear out your A button with crazy long cut scenes for the first hour plus of the game.
Black and white was terrible before the first gym. Black and white 2 were much better. However, due to your reasons i dont think Audino, Dunsparce, and Venipede shouldnt count as they are locked in that route until after the first gym
The worst part to me is that in Gen 5 you couldn't trade until after the first gym, when in most other games you just get to the nearest Pokémon center, so you can't add to the small pool at all until almost an hour into the game!
Pokemon Red and Blue you can also find Pikachu in Viridian Forest. It's a 5% encounter rate, but already starts off knowing thunderstruck. Useless against Brock's Ground type Pokemon sure, but pays off when you go up against Misty in the very next town.
Man, the feels are hitting me today. I wasn’t a big fan of gen 7, but my boy grimer carried that entire first run.
I didn't use Alolan Muk until the Ultra games, but it was great!
I would’ve gone up to the first gym/trial. That would make paldea and galea the best options due to the wild area and the huge open world
Yeah, that's why I didn't; it would be totally unfair!
For the hoenn region, you can catch shroomish in the forest,marill and also abra outside the cave
Geodude isn't on the cave but Abra and Marill are available before 1st gym in Emerald
@@mabs6253 yess marill too snd abra outside the cave
You forget that houndour, yungoos and diglet can spawn extremely rarely at poco path mostly because they glitch out of inlet grotto on the path which i found out because i got a shiny diglet before arvens first battle xD
Well you can catch them when the story takes you down there too, but if you miss them it's highly unlikely to find them again...
@@emperorcubone yea but since its technically part of the story it should be considered too maybe since its probably the first time we ever got houndour early other than x and y after the second gym ^^
@@keoplays167 And even then Houndour is only a version exclusive to X.
For paldea you can also find a lv5 gimmighoul on the ledge by the light house too!
*chest form*
I would count the early routes as anything before the first gym in the first six generations, the first trial in Alola, before the Wild Area in Galar, and before the bridge in Hisui. Haven’t played Scarlet and Violet, so no comment on Paldea.
Honestly anything before the first rival battle after the starter fight as long as you aren't glitching or exploiting odd battle mechanics. That includes about 30-40 pokemon with a choice of water, poison, grass, electric, flying, fairy, psychic, ground, rock, fighting, ghost, normal, and i think there is One or two dark types.
Blue: Route 22 (Unless you skip him there, then it’s Cerulean City)
Silver: Azalea Town after beating Team Rocket there.
Brendan/May: Route 110 (Rustboro City in Emerald)
Barry: Route 203
Cheren/Bianca: Route 2 before reaching Striaton City
Hugh: Flocessy Ranch
Calem/Serena: Shalour City
Hau: Iki Town Festival
Hop: Professor Magnolia’s Lab
Legends Arceus doesn’t technically have a rival and as I said before, haven’t played Scarlet and Violet.
@@mkt568 i was specifically referring to the paldea region, but most of those are reasonable. Jhoto is a little far for "early game" as is kalos, but thats because the jump from first to second gym in kalos is pretty long. Paldea opens up around 30 different encounters before you fight Nemona a second time before going into the first actual city thats not a pallet town equivalent.
16:08 I mean if we wanna get technical, Gastly shows up at Bellsprout Tower in Violet City, but that *is* the first Gym's town so I understand if that's too close for that comparison, but yeah. Great video nonetheless.
Wait, the school’s area has Drifloons? The Pokémon that takes children? Hope that school has security…
I love the Hoenn early mons, many of them always make it through my full playthroughs! Theyre all so charming! :)
I'd put Kalos above Sinnoh personally, primarily for the variety of Pokemon you can get. While yes, there are a lot of Normal types in the early routes of Kalos, you're likely to have a different team each playthrough. I can't say the same for Sinnoh.
I think the way that this is being done is odd as it should be looking at any obtainable Pokémon pre-badge 1 imo as that would be the best way to assess how many options one has
Hey now, Meganium is LEAGUES better than Jumpluff ever will be
LEVEL FREAKING 10 SALAMENCE! the only fully evolved pseudo legendary in Pokémon’s history
Galar is my favorite off the top of my head cause I found most of my final team in the first 2 routes
"affectionately refered as rodents" is cute.
as a "Early Normal Types" (or Early Normals) terminology enjoyer, I do back your wording, my Emperor.
I have to give qualifiers for it now because of Lechonk...
@@emperorcubone Zigzagoon, Poochyena, Lilipup, Yungoos, & Lechonk are not rodents, so the terminology is outdated since Gen III.
@@jgr7487 Poochyena doesn't count regardless, cuz its not Normal type. Lilipup isn't regarded the Early Route Rodent, thats Patrat.
LOA, SW & SV greatly improved the routes. Im the type of person to ditch my starter and I never regret it😂
for sake of fairness i would have included encounters possible before the first gym, rather than the first major town as that can be fairly subjective
Maybe, but that would've included the Wild Area, Route 3, and the Galar Mines adding like 60 Pokémon to the Galar list so "the First Gym" is not really an even playing field...
@@emperorcubone valid, but i do think including up to the first gym showcases how much more open and unrestricted early game team-building is now compared to older generations, and the question of whether or not it’s gone too far. personally i’m a fan of having more than a couple meh options prior to the first gym, but i also think there’s an overwhelming number of options to be had now, especially with scarlet and violet.
@@emperorcubone I think you could still have dismissed Wild Area, as not calling it a Normal route, but an Open Area section. Yes, then you can say: But what about Paldea. Well... you could have dismissed everything past the first 2 gyms (Grass and Bug).
Sinnoh definitely. The first few areas before the first gym, even just the first route, this place has some great Pokemon that will take you through to the end of the game. Hoenn and Alola too come close. And the fact that Kalos has so much variety is a good thing.
Ghost types next to a school... Something doesn't feel right there
Alola will forever be my favorite Region. The Region that got me back into Pokémon after a 2 generation hiatus. If I got Isekaied to the Pokémon world, Alola is where I would want to go.
I think the way you discussed the redundancy in the beginning of gen 6 is off the mark. (But I like the video!)
I think the reason there are so many of the same kinds of Pokemon is intentional. They are suggesting in a way, for you to catch a Bug and a Normal type to fill out your team early, however they are giving you a choice of several of that type, all of whom have different evolutionary paths and final design styles. Although Vivillon/Butterfree are pretty much identical, you might say its a choice for older players to be able to not use the regional bug, or you could say it's a chance for new players to see an old regional bug. Either way I actually think redundancy in an early route leads to better design than an abundance of types. It gives more control over the players experience at each milestone/roadblock which can lead to great things.
I actually agree. It means more teams will be different rather than how similar starting teams in, say, Sinnoh would be (most people would catch Starly and Shinx for instance). The customizability is fun and increases replayability in my opinion.
just imagine being the first kahuna in ultra sun and moon and a 10 year old just busts out a level 10 salamance and halwcha
Another Tuesday, another great video by EmperorCubone
Nobody hates the Unova region I’m sorry I’m gonna have to disagree with you. All I hear in the fandoms is people praising Unova 😂
That's a relatively new development I used to get clowned for liking unova
In Paldea, if you have a deathwish, you can also get murdered by a lv50 Tera Leafeon just outside Los Platos too, right at the start
10:44 you can also catch Pokemon while walking in the Cave with Lizard. So that Diglett and Yongoose
I will say this in defense of Unova's horrid early game options: it's intentional. See, the early route spawns are built around the player having an equal amount of challenge at the Striaton gym. None of the Pokemon you gain access to before the first gym have an advantage against any of the triplet Gym Leaders, meaning you'll learn about type matchups one way or another. Plus, of we got those usual early game bugs or birds, then Cilan's Pansage would never stand a chance and the whole purpose of the Striaton gym would go up in smoke. Gen V's design seemed to be built around making the gyms more challenging, for the most part, and building each area around the gym that they preface. Sure it doesn't give with the rest of the franchise, but it's unique and I appreciate it.
Yeah, well that's just bad game design then... At the very least they could've provided a Psychic type or something that wouldn't interfere!
You forgot to say how early Unova is actually worse then you think because cut and by extension Munna is blocked off by the first gym battle, it’s crazy how fun those games are for how limited they can be
Honestly Black and White 1’s early route makeup is noticeably abysmal. A starter, a worse starter, 2 normal types and a dark type that only learns normal moves. Truly an amazing amount of diversity for going into the 1st gym.
I’m glad BW2 has a MUCH better early game variety of Pokemon
You'd think by Gen 5 they wouldn't have the problem of "A different type Pokemon only knows Normal moves" like the Geodudes of old, but they apparently learned nothing. It doesn't even have to be a strong Dark move...
6:35 yes you should have counted it, you counted the route with spearow and the nidos in kanto as well as route 2 which you don't even have access to until after you bring Oak's parcel back to him which means you need to walk through route 1 twice more before route 2
What I dislike about GenV is how water is just a major roadblock until after you beat the 7th gym. You don't even get a fishing rod until the postgame!
The only Basculin you can get is through a trade in Driftveil City. There's other water-types you can find like Panpour, Tympole and I guess Tirtouga..
But it's frustrating that they gatekeep surfing (and encounters like Frillish, Alomomola and other Basculin) until that late in the game.
I’d honestly put Paldea’s a little higher just because it immediately allows you a hard counter to the first Nemona battle in Wooper.
This instantly; shows off a brand new regional Pokémon, rewards the choice to catch the new guys, and is a get out of jail free card for brand new players!
Not a very fair list. Your decision on where to draw the line between "major" and "minor" city is too arbitrary, and you regularly change what you consider "major" to bias for your favorites. If Oldale isn't a major city, then there's no way Cherrygrove is. So you're casting a wide net for Hoenn and shunting Johto. Stop the Johto hate, already.
Your range should have been "all routes or areas directly between the starter town and first gym and routes directly connected to them which are accessible before beating the first gym" and your criteria should have been variety of Pokemon (weighted for useful/powerful Pokemon) and how well those options prepare you for the upcoming gym (weighted for how many additional gyms it prepares you for). In this way, you have an area that the typical player will typically travel with the expectation they'll do some but not extensive exploration before challenging the first gym, and criteria that represent how well the options for Pokemon the typical player encounters sets them up for success across the game.
USUM also has the option of the island scan that can include starters from other regions which further bolsters it’s lineup
Why would you say Spearow is redundant ?? Spearow / Fearow is way better in stat distribution ! #Spearowgang
I just meant typing-wise, having both of them be the same is redundant, so you could have Pidgey be the redundant one if you like...
7:17 um Azumarill is way better than golduck what makes Azumarill so strong is it's ability huge power the fairy type later on was just the cherry on top giving it to very usful stabs instead of one and extra Resistances only for downside of poison effective damage but that's when it all ready had some really good traits.
In sm/usum, you exclude the pokemon you need tauros to get, but you include the SOS pokemon, which are unlocked after the first trial.
List is too inconsistent. Some parts you really limit certain games to just a couple areas. But then you give Scarlet and Violet a massive area
I actually cut back Gen 9 a lot compared to what could have been; I could've included up to Mesagoza adding in another half dozen choices, and I arbitrarily cut it off but in an effort to make it more fair...
I think you under sold paldea
lechonk, Tarountula, Pawmi, Scatterbug, Fletchling, Hoppip, Houndour, Yangoose, Diglett, Skwovet, Sunkern, Happiny, Azurill, Surskit, Buizel, Wooper, Psyduck, Chewtle, Igglybuff, Ralts, Drowzee, Gastly, Pichu, Fidough, Bounsweet, Bonsly, Oricorio, Squawkabilly, Wingull, Magikarp, Arrokuda, Basiculin, Wattrel (level 14 but doable), Deerling, Parchirisu, Shrodoodle, Murkrow, Wiglett, Hawlucha, and Flamigo.
so there is enough pokemon and type range to make multiple teams.
I thought for sure Paldea was gonna win out.
To add to black and white’s terribleness, Munna wouldn’t even count because you can’t get an encounter in the dream yard until after the gym
It’s Hoenn and it’s not even close, without Manips.
•Swellow is the best pure attacker you have in the game because a Guts, Silk Scarf, and STAB boosted Facade that blows a hole thru a hilarious amount of the game. It’s effectively a 230 base power attack… for just a touch of recoil
•Linoone is capable of soloing members of the elite four with the right move set and knowledge of the AI
•Mighteyna, while lacking in power, can see some justifiable use as an intimidate setter, oh and Tate and Liza can’t do much to it either. Seriously, bringing Mighteyna makes the fight so much easier
•Ralts, should you encounter it, is a solid special attacker once it reaches its final evolution
•Slakoth, while it’s ability is a hinderance, is capable of dishing out nuclear amounts of damage at the right time
•Lotad/Seedot, while extremely overrated aren’t terrible back up plans for Roxanne
•Marril… is okay. Just gotta deal with non-stab huge power attacks
•And Wingull is incredibly underrated. Sure, it doesn’t get drizzle, but it has the most powerful STAB special attack pre-Roxanne, can put in some decent work against Brawly and can still be used effectively mid game by being useful in the Flannery, Norman and Winona fights
•Beautifuly and Dostox aren’t half bad and can spread status, while the latter is better at managing through some crucial boss fights, they’re both still solid
•oh and shroomish. It’s a better Lotad/Seedot, gets way more tech and can take advantage of its STABs right away and doesn’t need a stone to evolve
I'm gonna put Gen 4 first here. I don't care about how many options I have, I care about the quality. The fact you can get Starly, Shinx and arguably the best Gen 4 HM user in Bidoof/Bibarel) so early on puts it at number 1 for me. The mons you can get after are just bonuses. (Granted I am not a Shinx user, as I will always take Electivire over it)
I do gotta put respect on Paldea though. Having early acess to Buizel, Magikarp, Ralts and Gastly was just nice. Though I'd argue since you counted the ENTIRETY of Melemele you should include more areas for other regions, since it would not be fair otherwise.
I didn't "count" the whole of Melemele island, I just pointed out the ridiculous variety past the arbitrary line of the end of the first area. I thought it was notable, since what other region has a fully evolved pseudo legendary obtainable that early?
@@emperorcubone I mean it is also the only game with said feature.
I had a cool thought for a video that's right up your alley. Top 10 Pokemon that should be in every region. And the 10 that should not (discluding legendary, regional forms, and mythical and convergent pokemon)
I actually really like that topic! I may just do that sometime, or at least a variant of it...
@@emperorcubone cool, I always liked gen 5 doing the reset in the first games. And honestly I'm surprised that with Kalos, galar and paldea being right next to one another, theoretically, that their national Dex's weren't similar. And unova and Alola should be almost completely independent as well....
One that should not be in every region is Magikarp. I am growing real tired of seeing that thing everywhere.
@@nickdentoom1173 no. It's definitely an all region mon. But there should be more true fish pokemon
I’m so confused. Is this a route one list? Is it before the first gym list? I’m so confused
Like I said it's to the first major town. What you consider "major" might not be the same as me, but a Route 1 list would be boring, and if it was to the first gym Galar would blow them all out of the water with the Wild Area...
GEN MF 4. SHINX AND STARLY FIRST 2 ROUTES THEN YOU GET BUIZEL AT THE WINDWORKS. W. bw2 is also very good if you count the ranch and especially the 2nd gym city with magnemite and stuff
In SV, can't you also get Diglett and Houndour, or do we bot have balls at that time?
You also forgot to mention the Bagon in USUM, but seeing as you mentioned it's SoS partner, I'll give it a pass.
In Hoenn remakss Poochyena can even learn Fire fang at an early level
Or Thunder Fang.
Or even poison fang.
@@michaelnelson1127 oh really? That's awesome. I forgot that
Black and White 1 earlygame is even worse than you made it look here, all the grass in the Dreamyard is behind a cut tree, so you can't even get Munna until after the first gym
Don’t dog on Azuril. If you get huge power and evole it into maril you will curb stomp Cheren and will have a pretty solid water type Azumaril shortly after which will at least carry you through the early game
True, but I don't have time to make it like me enough to evolve...
7:21 wow wow wow hey let's not disrespect my boy Azumaril here. I had one in my first white 2 playthrough with huge power. He accompanied me from the start all the way to the end of white tree hollow and the PWT while remaining relevant and more than carrying his weight to the end
Yeah Azurill pre gen 6 was already a powerhouse
I think this is a different and opposite flaw to having too few/weak Pokemon in the early game. Giving out a Huge Power Pokemon that especially in Gen 6 onwards also has one of the best typings in the series before the first gym is just silly and makes it not really worth ever considering the tradeoff of taking a different party member without EV investment later on.