It's not just because the animal is herbivore, which doesn't mean it's not dangerous. For example, hippos, which are herbivores, kill more people than Lions, who are carnivores. So Gastornis may well have been extremely aggressive with other animals
How I’d choose to define “Terror-Bird”. Terror-Bird: An informal paraphyletic grouping of large and terrestrial birds that are typically carnivorous. Glad to see you’re back. : )
Paleo misconception: Giganotosaurus lived alongside Argentinosaurus. Actually,it was mapusaurus that lived woth Argentinosaurus.Giganotosaurus live a few million years before
Great to see you're back! You could always do the classics "T rex was a scavenger" and "Azdarchids couldn't fly", other topics could be "feathers initially evolved for flight", "mammals ONLY diversified after the KPg extinction", "Many theropods were strategic pack hunters similar to lions", and "ceratopsians initially evolved frills for fighting off predators". You could also do more general topics regarding how inaccurate weight estimates can be (especially when massive sauropods and/or fragmentary remains are concerned), issues with inferring the behaviour of animals from fossils, and that theropods and other extinct predators weren't killing machines/monsters but were instead just regular carnivores that experienced all the ups and downs modern carnivores go through throughout their lives.
@@thatonedinonerd9709 yupp T rex was an active hunter, but of course it did scavenge from time to time similar to modern carnivores. Everything I put in quotations is a misconception. Of course it is likely several theropods did hunt in packs, such as Mapusaurus and Albertasaurus as fossils of several individuals have been found together which probably indicates social behaviour. My point is that this isn’t evidence for well-planned strategic hunting that is shown in documentaries such as When Dinosaurs Roamed America and Dinosaur planet.
Here are some more to sink your teeth into: 1. Short faced bears were cursorial hunters. 2. Big cats evolved from sabre teeth. 3. Crocodiles have remained unchanged since the Mesozoic.
I'm glad you return from 8 months,you so awesome,that I love your new Megaraptorian avatar and I wish you a great day. Also this video was awesome,and cleared some misconception on the amazing big duck.
Just came across this underrated channel. Would you consider doing a "How would I update/improve Walking With Dinosaurs" video, as it's nowhere near as bad as Jurassic Fight Club. As for a possible misconception debunk video, the whole "T-Rex was an obligate scavenger" nonsense could be a good one. Keep the good work up !
I'm totally down for a video dismantling of the Toro/Trike theroy, or honestly any video that takes a hammer to any one of the many wierd theories proposed by Horner
Here's a common misconception I'd like to see tackled: O. megalodon supposedly being outcompeted by raptorial cetaceans (and the idea of cetaceans outcompeting sharks in general)
Hello there, youtube ramdomly reccomended a video of yours 2 days ago. And I can't do anything more than just watch your videos. I see you haven't posted recently, not sure why, I hope you're okay. I really enjoyed your videos. Greetings from Brazil P.s: sorry for bad English I'm not good writing it.
Hey Paleo Nerd, a wee question about Allosaurus; I keep hearing time and time again that Allosaurus was a species w/a weaker bite force than a lion, yet in one of your Jurassic Fight Club analysis videos, you said this was likely not the case as that measurement was made from Big Al 2, a juvenile allosaurus. However, given that the video of yours in question is dated to about 2 years ago, I just wanted to ask; is this still the case? Did Allosaurus have an extremely weak bite force given its size?
No, Allosaurus did not have a weak bite force. I don't remember the exact number, but more recent studies on theropod bite forces shows Allosaurus had a decently powerful bite force for its size.
@@PaleoNerd1905 Ahhh ok. Also, in regards to Allosaurus, given that Big Al and Big Al 2 were used for the basis of justifying the existence of A. Jimmadseni, and given that both individuals were themselves juveniles, do you think it's possible that A. Jimmadseni is simply a stage of A. Fragilis' growth cycle?
I mean. It may not eat meat. (Although eggs may potentially be a different case. Lots of primarily herbivorous birds seem oddly keen on eggs for whatever reason) But. It’s also still a man sized bird with a beak entirely capable of cracking the average skull. Lookin at a cassowary. You don’t need to eat meat to be scary. I think it can still be called a “terror bird” even as a herbivore. We just need to remember that it’s not actually carnivorous.
@@SilverSnook7966 and if im not mistaken there was a scene in Jurassic Park where they say that they were diging Velociraptor bones and it was in America And the thing that i hated about the scene that the fossils were white even though most fossils of the Mesozoic are dark yellow or yellowish
Well, I can tell you right away that the reason Xenosmilus hodsonae is not associated with Titanis walleri is because the two predators might never have overlapped. Fossils of Xenosmilus are very rare as it is, but the first two specimens (which are well preserved) are believed to have come from the Irvingtonian (which dates from 1.8 mya to 250,000 ya), which came after the extinction of Titanis (which died out during the previous Blancan age). I have heard some sources claim that Xenosmilus first showed up in the late Blancan, but others do not support that, saying that it was strictly from the Irvingtonian. I’m not sure what the reason behind these contradictions is; could be that these older fossils are fragmentary, or their identification as Xenosmilus is dubious or the age of those fossils is uncertain, so you should look that up first. On the other hand, S. gracilis and Edward’s wolf, along with a whole host of other small to medium-sized predators, like the American Chasmaporthetes, early forms of Arctodus, Homotherium and Miracinonyx and late-surviving Borophagus are known from the lame localities as Titanis, so there’s little doubt that Titanis overlapped with these carnivorans. Also, don’t fall for the misconception that Titanis has been “downsized”, as some people will claim. This is not based on any recent study and is only being perpetuated by people who have randomly started emphasizing a 2005 study, which mentions its height as 1.5 meters (it’s pretty much just the “half-sail Dimetrodon” or “Droopy-Lipped Smilodon” thing all over again). But the known fossils of Titanis vary in size, which could suggest sexual dimorphism or age differences, and size estimates suggest a height range from 1.5 to 2 meters, and there is no reason to treat the higher estimates as invalid. Yes, Titanis certainly was not 3 meters tall, but nobody has taken that idea seriously in 15 years, and both Prehistoric Predators and Monsters Resurrected gave it a very accurate size and shape, down to giving it a robust build.
Paleo guys makeover costs : New species skeleton 10000000$ Muscles nerves and blood vessels:10000000000$ Skin:100$ I know this cus i broke into his hospital room and che key what plastic surgery they were doing
Could you review clash of dinosaurs, dinosaur revolution or monsters resurrected, there all awful, I think clash of dinosaurs is worse than Jurassic fight club, and explain torvosauridae
I really glad your back!! I really miss seeing your scientific analysis on documentaries and Paleo info videos! I really hope your Monsters Resurrected video’s will be out soon
I’ve got a Paleo Misconception: Thylacosmilus and Smilodon living together or Smilodon living with Titanis, and by that I mean S. fatalis or S. populator as opposed to S. gracilis
Welcome Back to the World Paleo Nerd. It’s been a while since we’ve been seeing you and hearing your voice in your videos on RUclips. Great video partner and keep it up.
Bro, you had me worried at the beginning (I mean covid hit us all)and I'm sure you good looking, but luckily it was sequway to new pfp. Good luck on new ventures!!!
Not really. Both lineages appeared at around the same time, and Gastornis was never trying to mimic terror birds besides the very basic and reductive similarities of both of them being "big, flightless birds". If anything, Gastornis was a big-headed cassowary or a giant land parrot.
Who over the age of 12 still believes that? Even if you know nothing about paleontology, WWD's oversized Liopleurodon is brought up as much as feathered dromaeosaurs in online discussions.
In terms of common paleo-misconceptions to cover in this new series, here a few that come to mind: "Sharks haven't changed since the Paleozoic!" "Crocodiles haven't changed since the Triassic!" "Oxygen levels in the age of dinosaurs were much higher than today!" "(insert non-mammalian synapsid here) is a kind of reptile" "Pterosaurs were all fish-eaters that hunted by skimming the water's surface with their lower jaw." "Pterosaurs were *pterrible* at any form of locomotion other than gliding."
Since Gastornis is a relative of waterfowl i think they could be opportunistic omnivores. Like, duck beaks appear to be specialized for eating seeds and soft algae of the lakes; but they can totally eat things like worms, arthropods, crustaceans, and even amphibians. Plus, many birds that are considered strict herbivores usually tend to eat meat; like how the Antipodes parakeets enters the burrows of grey-backed storm petrels to kill (and devour) the nesting adults. So i can totally imagine a Gastornis eating nuts and then feasting on a Propalaeotherium that got careless and got too close to it ;P
Dang dude. I’m so glad you are back, I just discovered your channel and binge watched a bunch of your videos. Got worried when I noticed you hadn’t updated in a while! Also what kinda dinosaur is your avatar/mascot?
i suspect its silesaurus because of the elongated head, the low posture compared to the bottom of the screen and the long arms extending to said bottom of the screen. i could be thinking of the wrong animal or outdated reconstructions though, or it could be a jp raptor and its just partially cut off
Buddy, I'm having a very big question... Allosauroidea and megalosauroidea are together, forming Carnosauria, right? But on other sites says that Allosauroidea is close to Coelurosauria, forming Avetheropoda , and Megalosauroidea is separated. What would be the most correct phylogeny/taxonomy?
Gastornis: The “terror bird” that was actually a herbivore, but something you don’t wanna mess with nonetheless
I mean. Looking at a cassowary. You don’t need to eat meat to be scary.
It's not just because the animal is herbivore, which doesn't mean it's not dangerous. For example, hippos, which are herbivores, kill more people than Lions, who are carnivores. So Gastornis may well have been extremely aggressive with other animals
right on.
Gastornis sees a heap of primitive horses eating its grapes.
"So you have chosen death."
Funny how in Walking with beasts, Gastornis behaves more like a Terror bird than the actual Terror birds
How I’d choose to define “Terror-Bird”.
Terror-Bird: An informal paraphyletic grouping of large and terrestrial birds that are typically carnivorous.
Glad to see you’re back. : )
When we needed him most, HE CAME BACK!
The return of the king
Paleo misconception:
Giganotosaurus lived alongside Argentinosaurus.
Actually,it was mapusaurus that lived woth Argentinosaurus.Giganotosaurus live a few million years before
Another way to tell them apart is Gastornis has a nut cracker for a beak where as Terror Birds have Axes for beaks
The King has returned...
He returned!
Great to see you're back!
You could always do the classics "T rex was a scavenger" and "Azdarchids couldn't fly", other topics could be "feathers initially evolved for flight", "mammals ONLY diversified after the KPg extinction", "Many theropods were strategic pack hunters similar to lions", and "ceratopsians initially evolved frills for fighting off predators". You could also do more general topics regarding how inaccurate weight estimates can be (especially when massive sauropods and/or fragmentary remains are concerned), issues with inferring the behaviour of animals from fossils, and that theropods and other extinct predators weren't killing machines/monsters but were instead just regular carnivores that experienced all the ups and downs modern carnivores go through throughout their lives.
trex wasn't a scavenger tho
also the only theropods that possibly did pack hunting were tyrannosaurus or troodontids
@@thatonedinonerd9709 yupp T rex was an active hunter, but of course it did scavenge from time to time similar to modern carnivores. Everything I put in quotations is a misconception.
Of course it is likely several theropods did hunt in packs, such as Mapusaurus and Albertasaurus as fossils of several individuals have been found together which probably indicates social behaviour. My point is that this isn’t evidence for well-planned strategic hunting that is shown in documentaries such as When Dinosaurs Roamed America and Dinosaur planet.
@@hadygeorge8772 oh for a sec I thought u were a jack Horner Stan lol anyways yea he is doing a video on jack Horney
@@hadygeorge8772 ok yea that is true but mapusaurs imo probably did mobbing rather then true pack behavior
Eight months, man. Eight...FREAKING....MONTHS!!!!!! Do you have ANY IDEA how worried I was that you'd simply abandoned your channel altogether?!?!?!
Can you please do a paleo misconception on T.rex's eyesight?
Gastornis: That Big Ol' Duck Relative
Here are some more to sink your teeth into:
1. Short faced bears were cursorial hunters.
2. Big cats evolved from sabre teeth.
3. Crocodiles have remained unchanged since the Mesozoic.
they haven't
@@thatonedinonerd9709 yeah those are ideas for future episodes
Love your megaraptor with glasses from
This was uploaded one day before my birthday, and I wasn't aware of this!
Welcome back lad!
Im Glad to see you returning, and is... antique, health as well. Your video is also nice and is a way to help the world be a better place
Bootiful glow up. Awesome video as always
I'm glad you return from 8 months,you so awesome,that I love your new Megaraptorian avatar and I wish you a great day.
Also this video was awesome,and cleared some misconception on the amazing big duck.
It's great to see you back again, Paleo Nerd!
Ayoooo your here?!
I actually never knew this! Very informative video!
Just glad to have you back.
Just came across this underrated channel. Would you consider doing a "How would I update/improve Walking With Dinosaurs" video, as it's nowhere near as bad as Jurassic Fight Club. As for a possible misconception debunk video, the whole "T-Rex was an obligate scavenger" nonsense could be a good one.
Keep the good work up !
Wait wait wait... so, if Gastornis was a herbivore, and thus not a terror bird, then does that mean Gastornis was... a... chocobo?
I am glad to see that you are back paleo nerd
Good one to start with.
You should do a video about the Triceratops/Torosaurus mess.
He should also do another on Dracorex/Stygimoloch/Pachycephalosaurus as well.
I'm totally down for a video dismantling of the Toro/Trike theroy, or honestly any video that takes a hammer to any one of the many wierd theories proposed by Horner
@@raptorex9411 Draco/Stygi/Pachy is more widely accepted by the scientific community
Love this guy
Nice to see you are back.
He has returned
HE IS BACK YESSSS!!!!!!!!
Paleo nerds back !!
The man is back
“It is time” - Rafiki
Maybe you could do a special involving fossil Pokemon (or Pokemon that are based off of prehistoric animals) and their inaccuracies
Glad your back * happy honking noises *
He’s back!
So glad your back!!
He is finnaly back
Even after an 8 months absence you still made half a thousand views in a quarter of a day. Now that's power.
Here's a common misconception I'd like to see tackled: O. megalodon supposedly being outcompeted by raptorial cetaceans (and the idea of cetaceans outcompeting sharks in general)
aww your new mascot is such a sweetie, is he an Aerosteon maybe? i know its one of those more armsy lads like Australovenator
He's a Megaraptor.
Good informative video
Ayyy he's back!
Finally your back
Welcome back !
yeah! a whole new nerd!
So its not a terror bird. And it did not eat meat.
But its closest living relatives include geese/swans.
Terrifying.
Welcome back,
Still though gastornis is a pretty terrifying bird
Hello there, youtube ramdomly reccomended a video of yours 2 days ago. And I can't do anything more than just watch your videos. I see you haven't posted recently, not sure why, I hope you're okay. I really enjoyed your videos.
Greetings from Brazil
P.s: sorry for bad English I'm not good writing it.
Most of the women on my Maternal side were Pterodactyls....eventually evolving into the FLYING MONKEYS used in the film in the Wizard of OZ!!!
Walking with Beasts is why people think it's a Terror Bird
they did not even reffere to it has a terror bird
@@hyena_fan But that doesn't stop people from assuming it is
Hey Paleo Nerd, a wee question about Allosaurus;
I keep hearing time and time again that Allosaurus was a species w/a weaker bite force than a lion, yet in one of your Jurassic Fight Club analysis videos, you said this was likely not the case as that measurement was made from Big Al 2, a juvenile allosaurus. However, given that the video of yours in question is dated to about 2 years ago, I just wanted to ask; is this still the case? Did Allosaurus have an extremely weak bite force given its size?
No, Allosaurus did not have a weak bite force. I don't remember the exact number, but more recent studies on theropod bite forces shows Allosaurus had a decently powerful bite force for its size.
@@PaleoNerd1905 Ahhh ok. Also, in regards to Allosaurus, given that Big Al and Big Al 2 were used for the basis of justifying the existence of A. Jimmadseni, and given that both individuals were themselves juveniles, do you think it's possible that A. Jimmadseni is simply a stage of A. Fragilis' growth cycle?
@@PaleoNerd1905 And also, do you have a citation for this?
Allosaurus would have had a bite force of around 700-900 kilograms :)
@@griffinthomas1056 well. The largest specimen of allosaurus is still debated wetyer it is fragilis or jimmadseni
That's what I've been sayin
2:00 no keleken?
I mean.
It may not eat meat. (Although eggs may potentially be a different case. Lots of primarily herbivorous birds seem oddly keen on eggs for whatever reason)
But. It’s also still a man sized bird with a beak entirely capable of cracking the average skull.
Lookin at a cassowary. You don’t need to eat meat to be scary. I think it can still be called a “terror bird” even as a herbivore. We just need to remember that it’s not actually carnivorous.
Great video greetings from Serbia
Imagine being a carnivore and trying to bring down a gastornis naw
Velociraptors live in America is another misconception
What !!!!!!????
there are people who believe that? You can't be that stupid to believe that
@@Algeriawindows69 It's common thing in Media, It happens in The Good Dinosaur.
@@SilverSnook7966 and if im not mistaken there was a scene in Jurassic Park where they say that they were diging Velociraptor bones and it was in America
And the thing that i hated about the scene that the fossils were white even though most fossils of the Mesozoic are dark yellow or yellowish
Megalodon lived with dinosaurs is another big misconception
I think people think that because in media anything big is a dinosaur
Hello. When will the review be available on Resurrected Monsters?
FINALLY YOU GOT THE MILK
I can do better than most and name Titanis, Kelenken, and Phorusrhacos, because prehistoric creatures are one of my favorite subjects
You should be able to name more once I make the Natural History of Phorusrhacids.
@@PaleoNerd1905 that’s true
This must your new video it was good
Where s is monster ressurected videos?
2:03 kelenken:
Terror bird is just a title
Thanks for telling the truth about gastornis
Is triceratops a juvinile sinomnim of torosaurus
No
@@PaleoNerd1905 oh thank god finally someone who actually says that that theory is a complete pile of triceratops shit from JP thanks mate
Yeah, there's no good evidence at all that supports that theory
Well, I can tell you right away that the reason Xenosmilus hodsonae is not associated with Titanis walleri is because the two predators might never have overlapped. Fossils of Xenosmilus are very rare as it is, but the first two specimens (which are well preserved) are believed to have come from the Irvingtonian (which dates from 1.8 mya to 250,000 ya), which came after the extinction of Titanis (which died out during the previous Blancan age). I have heard some sources claim that Xenosmilus first showed up in the late Blancan, but others do not support that, saying that it was strictly from the Irvingtonian. I’m not sure what the reason behind these contradictions is; could be that these older fossils are fragmentary, or their identification as Xenosmilus is dubious or the age of those fossils is uncertain, so you should look that up first. On the other hand, S. gracilis and Edward’s wolf, along with a whole host of other small to medium-sized predators, like the American Chasmaporthetes, early forms of Arctodus, Homotherium and Miracinonyx and late-surviving Borophagus are known from the lame localities as Titanis, so there’s little doubt that Titanis overlapped with these carnivorans.
Also, don’t fall for the misconception that Titanis has been “downsized”, as some people will claim. This is not based on any recent study and is only being perpetuated by people who have randomly started emphasizing a 2005 study, which mentions its height as 1.5 meters (it’s pretty much just the “half-sail Dimetrodon” or “Droopy-Lipped Smilodon” thing all over again). But the known fossils of Titanis vary in size, which could suggest sexual dimorphism or age differences, and size estimates suggest a height range from 1.5 to 2 meters, and there is no reason to treat the higher estimates as invalid. Yes, Titanis certainly was not 3 meters tall, but nobody has taken that idea seriously in 15 years, and both Prehistoric Predators and Monsters Resurrected gave it a very accurate size and shape, down to giving it a robust build.
Gastornis Sorry for my spelling is not a terror bird it’s nuts
i like your videos but i think you could try buying a better mike to improve your audio
Paleo guys makeover costs :
New species skeleton 10000000$
Muscles nerves and blood vessels:10000000000$
Skin:100$
I know this cus i broke into his hospital room and che key what plastic surgery they were doing
Can u do a face reveal
Could you review clash of dinosaurs, dinosaur revolution or monsters resurrected, there all awful, I think clash of dinosaurs is worse than Jurassic fight club, and explain torvosauridae
Yeah this miss comseprion is annoying
Stop, Don't be a Png-tuber!!!
I really glad your back!! I really miss seeing your scientific analysis on documentaries and Paleo info videos! I really hope your Monsters Resurrected video’s will be out soon
He’s back!
I’ve got a Paleo Misconception: Thylacosmilus and Smilodon living together or Smilodon living with Titanis, and by that I mean S. fatalis or S. populator as opposed to S. gracilis
Pretty sure the latter will be brought up in the MR Titanis video.
Welcome Back to the World Paleo Nerd.
It’s been a while since we’ve been seeing you and hearing your voice in your videos on RUclips.
Great video partner and keep it up.
I’m so glad your back I was worried that you gave up RUclips videos I hope your monsters resurrected comes out soon
Bro, you had me worried at the beginning (I mean covid hit us all)and I'm sure you good looking, but luckily it was sequway to new pfp. Good luck on new ventures!!!
So gastornis is basically a terror bird imposter
Yup. The resemblance is sus.
Not really. Both lineages appeared at around the same time, and Gastornis was never trying to mimic terror birds besides the very basic and reductive similarities of both of them being "big, flightless birds". If anything, Gastornis was a big-headed cassowary or a giant land parrot.
Its Great to see you again.
Interesting fact finds. 👍
Is your new icon a Megaraptorid?
Yes
I'm thinking of the sauropod horizontal neck misconception.
>Monster Ressurected.
Please be prepared for THAT one dinosaur.
Also could you do a profile on Pycnonemosaurus? It's my personal favorite Abelisaurid!
A misconception you should do is about the actual size of liopleurodon
Who over the age of 12 still believes that? Even if you know nothing about paleontology, WWD's oversized Liopleurodon is brought up as much as feathered dromaeosaurs in online discussions.
@@daliborjovanovic510 yep but it should be covered why the liopleurodon in walking with dinosaurs got so big
In terms of common paleo-misconceptions to cover in this new series, here a few that come to mind:
"Sharks haven't changed since the Paleozoic!"
"Crocodiles haven't changed since the Triassic!"
"Oxygen levels in the age of dinosaurs were much higher than today!"
"(insert non-mammalian synapsid here) is a kind of reptile"
"Pterosaurs were all fish-eaters that hunted by skimming the water's surface with their lower jaw."
"Pterosaurs were *pterrible* at any form of locomotion other than gliding."
Why do i feel that your sound has changed or my ears are cursed
The Nerd is back and better than ever!
yes
* That sigh *
How long have been man i missed i though you were gone 😔 😪 but is good your are back 😀😃😄😁😂🤣
after so long you are finally back
Since Gastornis is a relative of waterfowl i think they could be opportunistic omnivores. Like, duck beaks appear to be specialized for eating seeds and soft algae of the lakes; but they can totally eat things like worms, arthropods, crustaceans, and even amphibians.
Plus, many birds that are considered strict herbivores usually tend to eat meat; like how the Antipodes parakeets enters the burrows of grey-backed storm petrels to kill (and devour) the nesting adults.
So i can totally imagine a Gastornis eating nuts and then feasting on a Propalaeotherium that got careless and got too close to it ;P
Dang dude. I’m so glad you are back, I just discovered your channel and binge watched a bunch of your videos. Got worried when I noticed you hadn’t updated in a while!
Also what kinda dinosaur is your avatar/mascot?
i suspect its silesaurus because of the elongated head, the low posture compared to the bottom of the screen and the long arms extending to said bottom of the screen. i could be thinking of the wrong animal or outdated reconstructions though, or it could be a jp raptor and its just partially cut off
Megaraptor
Buddy, I'm having a very big question...
Allosauroidea and megalosauroidea are together, forming Carnosauria, right? But on other sites says that Allosauroidea is close to Coelurosauria, forming Avetheropoda , and Megalosauroidea is separated. What would be the most correct phylogeny/taxonomy?
Ah yes the Gastornis which was related to ducks