You won't believe what CGC Guarantee?!

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  • Опубликовано: 20 янв 2025

Комментарии • 73

  • @penitentialarts
    @penitentialarts Месяц назад +8

    "Official" grading and slabbing is one of the worst things to happen to comics. Ten years from now people aren't going to just buy one of those slabs and accept that what is in them is in the condition it claims to be. It may be a way for people to artificially inflate prices right now, but it isn't something that will last forever.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад

      100% no one knows what the future will hold. Thanks for joining the conversation and being part of the community.

    • @DJ-he1zc
      @DJ-he1zc 20 дней назад

      Yea well nothing lasts forever !!!! That said I have friends who've been getting baseball cards graded since the early 1990's and a quick check on EBAY auctions shows cards are still getting graded and the higher grades seem to sell for ridiculous money - even non Hall Of Fame players ...

  • @TempleoftheDarkPartsoftheMind
    @TempleoftheDarkPartsoftheMind Месяц назад +1

    I have a few slabs that I've purchased but haven't sent anything to CGC. This video sold me on just going top loader for some of my rare-ish books for better protection.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад

      Thanks for sharing You always have time to grade your books. Welcome to our community

  • @otakutourguide
    @otakutourguide Месяц назад +3

    Thanks for speaking truth. I feel bad for people who still think CGC is the standard for the hobby. It's obviously not because of the quality issues. People don't need to spend money to grade and protect their books ❤

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад +1

      Thank you for adding to the conversation and the community

    • @Mike_oliver1313
      @Mike_oliver1313 Месяц назад

      Don’t feel bad for me I don’t need or want your pity

  • @TomasRagarin
    @TomasRagarin Месяц назад +1

    I think banana gate occurred in shipping. It was peak in summer. The heat they were subjected to in some cases could easily exceed 100 f while sitting in trucks. This would cause the plastic expand and contract.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад +1

      Okay, maybe that explains it. How do we not have the complaints from all the other grading companies. I appreciate you joining the conversation and putting out possibilities. What could have caused this issue.

    • @TomasRagarin
      @TomasRagarin Месяц назад

      @HavenForHeroes True. Volume perhaps. The percentages are extremely low (affected slabs against the whole of what ships out). Also I don't know the construction of the slabs and differences of plastic used. It could have also been a bad lot from the manufacturer but I suspect that the numbers of affected slabs would be much higher if that were the case. All of it is conjecture on my part and I don't have any data to support it. Just a thought. While I have you, I do want to say you do make excellent points. For many, slabbing is not a good idea. I do it for protection. When I get them, I bag them, and place them in graded book bins, then the bins go into a dark closet in my house which is climate controlled (AC and heat) - not a storage unit, garage, basement, or attic. By and large I have a raw copy of everything I slab so I can enjoy them anytime. Top loader or comic book frames (picture frames designed specifically for displaying comics) are absolutely the way to go if you want to display them. The UV protection is vital. All the walls of slabs so many like to do is risky to the books and will fade them. Indoor lighting will do it - it takes much longer, but it will occur. I enjoy your content, you make excellent points, and seem a friendly sort. Keep on, keepin' on.

  • @BibleGrace88
    @BibleGrace88 Месяц назад +2

    I am so happy that I stuck to my guns, and never used CGC for any of my books. The lure is in the price increase of course, but it is not worth the cost to the love of the hobby. Another great video. Well done, and keep the honesty and integrity my friend. Take care. #biblegrace88 #travellenium

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад

      I'm glad you stuck to your guns too. Thank you for adding to the conversation and being part of this community

  • @timothypjr
    @timothypjr Месяц назад +1

    I started buying slabbed books as certain comic dealers offer restored copies as unrestored. I bought a comic book at a convention from a dealer and got a receipt in my email as evidence of our transaction. The dealer explicitly told me the comic book was not restored, which was a material part of my buying decision. When CGC found restoration, I tried to get a refund. The dealer acknowledged they did not know the comic book was restored but refused to offer any refund. Comic book slabbing exists as some dealers suck.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад

      Well thank you for sharing your comic journey. I still think that they're not providing any type of service that people are really believing they're getting. They're still not transparent. I'm sorry I had a bad experience but it's quite true that they may not have known that who they bought the book from restored the book. The right thing to do would have been to give you some type of refund. If not, partial.

  • @WookWook89
    @WookWook89 Месяц назад +2

    I have seen so many videos breaking down and showing evidence of the inconsistency of cgc grading. They can claim whatever they want but its purely subjective and whatever mood the grader/s happen to be in that particular day.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад

      Thank you for enjoying the conversation. Pointing out what the real problem is simply it's subjective. Welcome to our community

  • @Dev003x
    @Dev003x Месяц назад +3

    My rule is... if it isn't over 50 years old and worth over the total slab cost then it doesn't need to be slabbed. And it goes to CBCS if it does. AT least I know I get my books back. Sentimental books don;t count. We all have those, regardless of value.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад +1

      Good to have rules thank you for adding to the conversation. It's great for our community

    • @Dev003x
      @Dev003x Месяц назад

      @@HavenForHeroes Thank you for posting the real deal content. Hard to find.

  • @ScarecrOmega
    @ScarecrOmega Месяц назад +4

    Should have ended with "And knowing is half the battle"

  • @ScarecrOmega
    @ScarecrOmega Месяц назад +3

    There should be a website where you send them HD photos of your book and a professional grades it and emails you a label with a grade and you can print out the label and just put it with your comic in the top loader. That would save on 100% of shipping, time, worry and encapsulation.
    Or do what you said at the end of the video and know how to grade yourself.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад +3

      I think people would worry about the people without Morales switching books like they have done with CGC books. But this is very telling about how honest of a person you are. You didn't even think of how somebody would cheat the system. Welcome to our community. I love people with integrity

  • @allisknu11
    @allisknu11 Месяц назад +2

    I do not judge people for what they do. What I take issue with is the quality control issues at CGC. The collectibles market is going to exist and that includes graded books. Supply and demand. The main issue I take with CGC is the subjective grading. You can have a book that is objectively a 9.8 and CGC will grade it a 9.6. And then there are 9.8 books that are clearly a 9.4 and 9.6. I have seen many, I have lost count. This is what I take issue with. Quality control and consistency are lacking.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад

      I too take great umbrage with the arbitrary subjective grades hence why they do not guarantee them. Thank you for adding to the conversation. It's great for the community.

  • @jonr269
    @jonr269 Месяц назад +1

    I mainly get my key books graded so that if something ever happens to me. My comics go to my son and if he sells them he will have a set grade to go by to know their value and what to sell them for and doesn’t get screwed by someone who tries to low ball him a value. This way he can do some basic research in the grade value vs having to fig. Out what it would be worth raw.
    Other than that little bit, i agree that cgc grading has cause many problem and as you mentioned their cases are not UV protected.
    I still think grading companies need to move towards using AI to grade books instead. That way you cut out a large amount of the human error.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад

      Thank you for sharing and adding to the conversation. All this input really helps our community learn and grow. And if you're buying Blue Chip comics, it is a great investment for the future.

  • @AngryStraightWhiteMale
    @AngryStraightWhiteMale Месяц назад +1

    These 🤡 at CGC can’t even guarantee the grade from their OWN company, let along a third party. If I get a book graded and it comes back 8.5 and I send it in for a reholder and someone looks the book over, they might send it back to me at a 8.0 or lower or a 9.0! Once the book leaves their facility in a certain grade, it should stay that grade. Obviously they had to mix it up because of the reholder scam BUT they still can’t even guarantee their own grades from graders.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад

      That's right they don't. So what service are they providing? You have to trust a company that has no integrity. I'm as angry as you brother. Thanks for adding to the conversation and to the our community.

  • @T-RexSuplex1
    @T-RexSuplex1 Месяц назад +3

    CBCS has given me more consistant grades. Im not happy but a gree with the grade (9.4 and 9.6s). Im certain if i crack and send to CGC they will.come back 9.8s. But i like the honesty of CBCS on grades ive experienced

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад

      Thank you very much for sharing your comic journey and your experience. This is great information for our community and myself.

  • @mutationcomics
    @mutationcomics Месяц назад +1

    I never personally had any issues with the books that I had graded by CGC, but I ultimately decided grading books didn't fit within my business model. The fact that we can order pre-graded 9.8 copies of books that haven't even been released yet makes me question what the point of any of it truly is (though you answered that here pretty clearly). I understand the value in grading things like video games and movies even less. How do they know if the game works or if the VHS tape isn't all melted inside the cassette? What's the point of owning a 9.8 copy of Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey on VHS? At least I know they can flip through the pages of a book to see if any are torn, marked or missing. I believe CGC scratches an itch some people have where they need someone to validate their purchases for them. You see it on places like Reddit all the time in the "Should I buy this book?" or "Was this issue a good investment?" posts. I understand collecting can mean a lot of things to different people and I would never want to wag my finger at someone over their preferred way of doing it. Like I said, it just doesn't make sense in the context of my business. My wall books go in nice bags, boards and a plastic top loader (like the one you show in this video). That's enough for me. Anyway, you know I love the channel and your videos. Hope you guys have a strong finish to your 2024!

  • @coryplc
    @coryplc Месяц назад +5

    Once it's graded, it no longer has value as a comic. People want that, they don't want a protected comic, they want a "item" that represents some value. CGC is sketch, but isn't that their game, and the game of those who use them? They're paying a company to INCREASE the value of your item (not the real value/quality of the comic). The only thing CGC is doing poorly is copywriting/PR. They just need to improve their con.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад +3

      That's a new take and a great one . I'm in absolute agreement this is what I wanted to say but couldn't put it any better. Welcome to our community

    • @Dev003x
      @Dev003x Месяц назад +2

      How do you control the market? You control the Grades. The more 9.8's ya give out the better chances they have to charge you in the unlimited tier. COVID boom also created the comic COVER market. In 5 years there is a gonna be a whole lot of plastic for sale that no one will buy.

    • @ZacSheehy
      @ZacSheehy Месяц назад +1

      ​@@Dev003x you forget the speculator boom of the 90s where people who had no real interest in comics started buying every variatien cover of a comic.where are they now? Most aren't collecting comics anymore.

    • @Dev003x
      @Dev003x Месяц назад +1

      @@ZacSheehy Yup and the cycle will repeat itself unfortunately.

  • @jbbrolic
    @jbbrolic Месяц назад +1

    As a buyer/collector who rarely sells im very comfortable ballpoint grading a raw comic... The one thing in theory i would like from these companies is detecting counterfeits. But we've seen them pass counterfeit books a layman could spot, labeling reprints with obvious tells like different trade dress as rare first prints... Not interested, I want them raw so they can be read anyway

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад

      Oh we are cut from the same cloth. Thank you for sharing and adding to the community

  • @jimmywalker4884
    @jimmywalker4884 Месяц назад +1

    In my opinion i can understand putting a major key that is in a middle to high grade to ensure the book stays in that condition for years to come. Example action comics #1 should be protected to save it as a piece of history, on the other end i do not think Wolverine #1 needs to be encapsulated.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад +1

      Thanks for being part of the conversation and the community

  • @br7693t
    @br7693t 28 дней назад +1

    They aren't transparent about quality control for the same reason Boeing isn't: they half-ass it. They can be opaque and cut corners to save money.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  28 дней назад +1

      Thanks for adding to the conversation it's all just a money grab. Welcome to our community

    • @br7693t
      @br7693t 28 дней назад

      @@HavenForHeroes very happy to be here

  • @Omar_Little
    @Omar_Little Месяц назад +1

    I was entranced by the cctv feed behind you

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад

      LOL I didn't even think anybody would notice.

  • @DukeCityExplorer
    @DukeCityExplorer Месяц назад +2

    It amazes me how the majority of the slab community still regards CGC as the leading comic grading company. Even with all the screw ups and mistakes they've gone through lately, somehow they're #1. With the covid boom behind us and CGC's inability to run it's business, they'll be left in ashes in 10 years. 🤔

    • @88playmkr
      @88playmkr Месяц назад +3

      I think it’s because of the money they already have invested with that company.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад +1

      Excellent. Takes from both of you. Thanks so much for sharing with the community. This is how we make it better.

  • @tonyhiland-js4dt
    @tonyhiland-js4dt Месяц назад +1

    I agree. i dont think cgc is sustainable. and i dare say they are part of the problem of the hobby being ruined. graded books have mostly been for "investors" i remember first seeing graded books come up on ebay years ago and i was blown away that the seller had higher prices than the raw books. i couldnt figure it out so i asked one of the sellers and the reasoning at the time they gave was that there would be no way to argue the condition of the book. i was like but why is it a higher price? just because you paid to have it graded is on you, why is the price higher than buying raw?
    ive only used the grading companies to check for restoration since im limited on the restoration i could detect. that was a disaster. i used cbcs and i had a hulk 181 without a value stamp but the label and graders notes never mentioned the stamp was missing. i contacted customer service and when i asked them if they check for restoration and if they even opened up the book the reply i got was that they dont offer restoration services..hahaha. very irritating. all they wanted to know was the label number. i also saw a cgc graded book of a teenage mutant ninja turtles 1 with a label of a "first print", but when you looked at the book it was a third print because there was extra blood on the "T". i cant imagine someone buying something as expensive as a tmnt 1 and finding out you dont have an "authentic" tmnt 1. i saw that on ebay and mentioned it to the seller and the seller took the listing down. hope he didnt spend a ton of money on it. i hated to be the one to tell him his "first print" was in a label only and the book was actually a third print.
    I dont trust grading companies. i just get so paranoid about them and that is not a good thing. and you cant read the books. the only credit i will give cgc is that after their problems on the books getting switched in the cases fiasco they started doing high resolution photos of the books when they get graded. so at least there is something to compare.
    but....on to the "professionals" they hire... i learned this from keepit thoro comics that there was a law suit involving cgc and their professionals in regards to grades given. and cgc actually lost the suit and had to pay some money. i think the gist of it was a "professional" was saying certain books were going to get certain grades and the grades were higher than what they should have got. thoro took down most of the vids on that stuff so i think something happened there.
    its sad that when big money is involved people get the green eyes and try to manipulate something that is supposed to be fun.
    thanks for the vid. i enjoy these videos.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад

      They really are no better than you or me did an excellent job of pointing that out. Thank you for adding to the conversation and to our community

  • @gaineyjohnson6628
    @gaineyjohnson6628 24 дня назад +1

    Love it. I do coins with a class referred to as ancients: greek, roman, very old. None of the grading services guarantees authenticity. They will give you a grade but won't stand behind if the coin is real. Useless. Who is to say what you submitted is what ends up in a slab. As you know a 10 is worth a shit ton more than a 9 but could you tell the difference? Cards are especially susceptible but I can imagine comics being way way worse. The original product is meant to be identical. And then they are to be sealed forever?

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  24 дня назад

      Thank you for adding to the conversation great comparison. Welcome to our community.

  • @wonderworldcomics2020
    @wonderworldcomics2020 Месяц назад +2

    Love that spinner rack

  • @gothamcitycomics6981
    @gothamcitycomics6981 Месяц назад +1

    If you want a protected case by a case. Then you don't have to send your comic anywhere and hope they treat your book the same way you treat it.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад +1

      Great point thank you for adding to the conversation and being part of the community.

  • @toddprokipchuk304
    @toddprokipchuk304 Месяц назад +2

    Grade em or don't grade em, i think in the end it's all about personal choice, if that is what someone wants have at it, personally it's not for me...unless i find a comic with the first appearance of like Batman or Spiderman (Superman????????) but otherwise its not for me !!!

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад +1

      Well I speak out a lot against them because I think they're bad for the hobby. If they have more integrity and we're transparent, I wouldn't mind so much. Thank you for sharing and being part of this community.

  • @dreigros
    @dreigros Месяц назад +1

    CGC is the product of 90s comic speculator crash. It's sole purpose is to make people believe their comics will hold value. While this can comfort some people, unfortunately it has become more than mere speculation but a way of market manipulation.

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад

      Bingo my fine friend bingo. Thank you for adding to the conversation and being part of our community

  • @eggplantcomics8336
    @eggplantcomics8336 Месяц назад +3

    The bottom line is people like to know what they have. Even if they don’t intend to sell. A raw 9.6 is just a 9.8 in disguise. 3rd party grading makes people feel better, even if the grade is wrong. (Insert clip of Lisa Simpson evaluate me, EVALUATE ME!)

  • @r.graves5531
    @r.graves5531 Месяц назад +4

    Grading is goofy as hell to me. Why would you want a book you can't read? It's the story they were printing and drawing isn't it? Like where does the value come from? It's rarity? In this great Era of reprints most of these stories aren't all that difficult to get ahold of. Maybe its the novelty of having a single? Does novelty alone for real raise book prices by hundreds of dollars? Lmao? For the life of me I can't understand it

    • @HavenForHeroes
      @HavenForHeroes  Месяц назад +1

      Thanks for adding to the conversation this is exactly what makes a community. I love your point of view.

    • @r.graves5531
      @r.graves5531 Месяц назад

      Im worried im being too negative here but for example ive been buying old beat up issues of savage sword of conan for the novelty but im paying like 2 bucks an issue there. If i want pristine copies of these stories ill buy the omnis (which i do god help me)@@HavenForHeroes