One Piece TCG: State of the Game, Should You Get Into the OPTCG in 2024?
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
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Cons:
@1:07 - Money
@4:47 - Best of 1's/No Sideboards
@7:05 - Hand Me Down Meta
Pros:
@12:30 - Meta
@13:52 - Growth
@14:27 - Investment
@18:10 - Easy to Learn
@19:30 - Cultural Phenomenon
@2:41 lol making it sound like I win tournaments all the time with the janky off-meta decks I bring to them. What I should have said was "topping" tournaments. At my locals top 4 usually gets support at the 20+ player tournaments.
I found out about one piece cards a week ago now I have a collection worth over 700 bucks
Con: Scalpers😭
I just love the thrill of opening packs and seeing what I get and making decks with what I got rather than buying specific cards so much and I can’t find any boosters anywhere in my area😪
Totally agree, gave up on OP and jumped ship to Digimon until Bandai starts printing. All I can find locally is Kingdoms of intrigue packs for $7 each
I was just going to say the Investment Pro is actually a major con because of scalpers. I checked online The Three Brothers Starter Deck which comes out in March is already sold out everywhere because of scalpers.
I’m at a point where I blame the supplier for not meeting demands than scalpers buying out stocks.. at least in Pokémon they try to tackle this problem
I only just got on board with OPTCG about a month ago as some of my good friends play it and I don't think I've seen the words "Out of stock" used this much since the pandemic!
What's even sadder is the price on eBay and the fact that most of them price it so high they don't even get watchers so those cards are just gathering dust and no one is enjoying them
If i hadnt started buying OP cards back when OP01 came out and was thinking about starting now, I'd say hell no. Im already sick and tired of the "pEnNy sToCk" and buyout culture in yugioh. There are way too many people that are just wannabe finance bros. It's just starting in one piece.
THIS
Realist thing I’ve read this year so far
This is another con tied to the West being a set behind.
Yeah honestly, the supply is atrocious for this game and scalping just makes it even worse.
It’s been a thing in every card game for years now tho why is everyone surprised it would happen to a card game with a fandom as massive as onepiece.
Tbh if the prices continue to be controlled by individuals with endless pockets it only hurts the game imo. Yeah investments are great but, if the price deters new players i feel the game will slowly die 😢.
Ya I mentioned that in my market watch style video earlier this month, it's definitely a huge problem that needs to be addressed.
@@Vvulfrik I can't afford a meta deck. I've told myself I will buy three booster boxes, and probably have to call it good. These boxes will also have to be pre-ordered to save as much as possible.
@@smackinj7164 Ya I always buy 2-3 Booster boxes and if you trade out the AA's you can typically get whatever you need (at least in my experience). In fact, this set I was only able to get 2 Boxes, due to shortages, and got a little bit of what I needed and then traded or bought the rest.
The game is certenly not controlled by people with deep pockets, all the cards value go by supply demand. You could argue that certain collectable cards are kept by people with alot of money but playable wise its just supply demand.
Nah the scalpers are artifically raising prices on TCGplayer @@AbbsterTCG
The saddest part is to even have fun you have to spend money on a meta deck to compete. I’ve gotten so many people to come to locals and I’ve lended decks for them to try, and they never come back after first day because they just get dogged on by the meta and was forced to pay 10 dollars to participate to just try it out 😭
To touch on one of Vv's points, it's near impossible to ladder into higher rarity cards by winning packs and selling your prizes if you can't win, and you can't win unless you've already paid the money for a tier meta deck.
@@KingBrachion92whats the cost of a meta deck in this tcg because Im saying very expensive prices
@@Manuelbacon40the cheapest meta deck is probably Reiju, and I built the deck for about $80
When bandai released that they were gonna do reprints, all the cards that were higher cost and only had maybe 10 listings at most, jumped to 30 listings online and more. Just proof that scalpers are the reasson its so hard
I would add the con of product distribution being a joke. With no sealed product available in stores pretty much anywhere the secondary market is not optional.
Totally agree with that. Getting sealed product from stores a joke
The main reason behind the cost for sure
Great discussion here! I’m very new to the game and trying to be patient with what cards I buy and what decks I jump to building without breaking the bank. I love the Manga and live action series of One Piece. That’s what pulled me in. I used to play a ton of Magic the gathering so figured why not explore this game too. So far I’m loving the game play. I just hope prices and access to cards can be more reasonable in the future.
Thanks for the great content!
Another thing that could solve lots of issues would be to allow all official cards no matter the language be legal for tournament play ( like magic has done for ages now)
100% and then hopefully off the back of that also catch us up with the East like they're doing now in Digimon and it would be perfect.
The best example on being behinde and price is opo1 double attack character. Bc it doubled in price when the green yellow leader got revealed.
I will say that the biggest pro point for me is that it is fun and there is variety that keeps me in.
Yes but I would get in on new starter decks. Like the 3 brothers I would get that and just add black sabo and moria and play yb luffy. But that’s months from now.
Yes I would definitely recommend buying a starter deck of any and every starter deck that comes out if you plan on ever playing the colors that deck runs.
This. If your smart it isn't a huge cost for meta competitive.
Definitely a good option, but for me, this excludes me from playing certain style of decks I like or even certain characters being a fan of the source material.. I do like that uta deck, tree captains, and three brothers are designed to be competitive with mostly the cards in them though
The triangle meta literally only lasts this set and then we go back to a mono color meta just with black instead of red
Im getting into it simply for the fact im a one piece fanatic and i wan one of every card
We got so many problems rn after having a great start that it’s not a good idea for new players to get into this game
I don't know if you've seen the news Vv Theory but Bandai released an official online client for Dragonball Super Fusion TCG but hasn't for One Piece TCG. Seems a bit odd that a game that's blowing up doesn't have an official release. However, you are right, at least there is the OP TCG sim.
Ah thanks for the heads up, I'll check it out
I think the best thing about the sim is you can get all the fun of playing for free and then if you want to play IRL you can test decks there and then order the specific cards you need. Sealed product is the biggest cost
If you buy ST-10 you can mostly play a R/P deck without much more investment
Bandai finally recently announced they’ll reprint older sets…but how many
I would have put cost as Con No. 1 and 2. Haha.
Investing in the game is also a con because people are hoarding boxes to the point where sealed product is near impossible to find at retail price. I'm in a FB group where the same person selling boxes of OP05 for $150 on release weekend is now asking $300.
(Sure, they have a right to do so, free market, whatever. Still sucks.)
Yes, single cards can be found for dirt cheap--especially because people hunting for chase rares creates a ton of bulk--but those cards will only take you so far; I've had games on the sim where I'm winning with budget decks until my opponent drops a card I know costs $40-50 and it totally takes over the game.
Despite that, I am enjoying my time with the game. Coming from MTG and YGO, it's "simpler" but not in a bad way. However, my best decks (Enel and Katakuri) have proxies so I can't play them in local tournaments, so I'm forced to use ones like Belo Betty, who don't stand a chance. It is what it is.
Day 2 of OP05 being released i went to my local comic store and saw a guy that bought 3 entire sealed boxes and left. In no time this shop finished all OP05 packages (i managed to buy only 3) and now they only have half OP04 box in selling. Tbh this game is getting really really expensive recently
There are so many character left to print as leaders. Gol D Roger, Rayleigh, Rocks D Xebec, Shiki, Momo, Emu, Gorosei, Buggy, All the supernovas, Sword, Holy Knight, Vegapunk, Dragon, Blackbeard, Coby, etc..... It would be so much fun to play if they all come out. :D
my first impressions after just sorting the cards the other day did not seem very good...
Which Starter deck is the best one to get?
In germany one starter deck costs 25 bucks and if you need to get two its 50 bucks to get starting which is a lot imo.
In yugioh i like to play control decks instead of combo heavy stuff, if that exists in one piece
I don't know if I would go with a Starter deck for OP07, the best Control decks in the current format are Black Lucci (lots of removal) or Green Bonney (lots of lockdown). My next 4 videos lined up are going to be Budget versions of the best decks in the current format, so I'd definitely check back in over the next 4 days for those. But if you are just looking for a Starter deck to get started with, I'd probably go with ST-10 or ST-13, which are a little more expensive than normal Starter decks, but they have a lot of good cards and Leaders to build around.
I quit playing mainly due to the west being behind Japan in terms of meta. There is 0 surprises, everyone is just copying meta decks and you basically know what you are up against a year in advance. Rising prices, any % speedrun powercreep and a clear bias in colours, a rock-paper-scissors meta where you can basically scoop once you see your bad matchup because there is no sideboard and no real lgs support by Bandai is not helping it either.
Sorry for the rant but I love this game and it is a shame that it is produced by Bandai
100% feeling this comment. It was also my biggest gripe: being a set behind + no sideboard to effect the rough matchups.
Tried getting into the game but got scammed when buying cards online so that killed my drive to play the game. Thanks for the video though. It seemed like fun
I'm sorry to hear that, I'm not sponsored by them or anything like that, but I only use TCGPlayer for my online card buying because they protect you from stuff like that.
@@Vvulfrik yup. Learned my lesson the hard way but I live in Mexico and the only realistic way of buying singles is off other people.
@@AlbertoDSalas Dang man, really sorry to hear that that happened.
I started in OP01 and managed to get a TD Luffy for 15 luckily, but after a year that this game has been around that whole year, i haven't bought a box due to how insane the prices are. So, no, i wouldn't recommend this game to anyone. Even though it's extremely fun, i still wouldn't. Unless they are willing to spend 300$ - 200$ for a decent deck, oh, and maybe 60$+ TDs lmao
Bandai needs to get their head out of their asses and fix this shit
Ffs Ravenburger and Disney addressed the issue Lorcana had and im seeing all sort of restock its crazy
Fuck investers
Bo1s are inexcusable. The community, the playerbase, needs to take reigns of the situation and eliminate Bo1s as anything but a tiebreaker. Doesn't even have to be a side-deck thing, a straight-up repeat is fine, but Bo1 is absurd for anything but casual play... Like, who the hell plays just a single game with their friends, even?
The Cultural Phenom factor stings when you don't care at all for One Piece. 😅
I wish it was the same time frame for sets instead of being behind
love that queen did get a reprint but as a judge card what is a even more expensive version is stupid what is bandai thinking whats next a sp rare in op-08?
Heard Fusion World is gonna play similar to OP, if that’s true and it doesn’t get scapled to death I might just play that instead
I never use a side deck in any card game since i was lazy to get cards to counter every deck 😂
Love the energy, Bro!🤘
Good video bro
Do not start playing until a reprint set drops.you'll just end up getting priced out
great video, one piece is a way of life 👍
Top of page,write Cons and Pros.
3 Cons.
5 Pros.
Play OP for a casual play. night.
How will Worlds work with the west being one set behind? Will East players play down or west have to play up?
They play set 5
This was a great video
7:38 ehh not really concerned about that issue...yugioh does the same thing japan is always 1 set ahead
Whoever told you that rock paper scissors is the signs of a balanced meta lied. There are 15+ different leaders and only 3 see tournament results and that’s only because they beat each other. & that’s ignoring the fact that those 3 leaders are all newly released OP5 leaders
Hey, first of all I just wanted to say thank you for the comment. And I just wanted to stress that while this was just my opinion, I believe that the RPS format is the only way to build a balanced game/design from the ground up if competition is the model you are going for. I don't think that OP has done that perfectly, but this set seeing 3 different color decks has been a breath of fresh air and a step in the right direction. Generally speaking, I believe there should be a strong control deck that is kept in check by a strong aggro deck that is kept in check by a strong midrange deck that is kept in check by the strong control deck. One Piece doesn't quite match that perfectly, and I do believe that there are certain design flaws in the game that I have even called out/mentioned in previous videos. However, I was just curious, what do you think constitutes a balanced meta? (I'm not asking with any attitude or hostility, just genuinely curious)
Also, there are nearly 50 Leaders in the game now as of OP05/ST10, I have also complained that there are far too many Leaders. It's hard enough to balance and find an identity between 5-6 colors in a game, I would argue it's impossible to balance 50 different Leaders, so I think I'm definitely on board with you there.
@@Vvulfrik you should be able to bring more than 3 different leaders and play competitively. Games should not be entirely dependent on matchups or even worse, die rolls, as is the case with OPTCG. Nuances in turns in one piece are the WORST of any card game. Decisions are limited due to boring card design that every card game has. Therefore perfect plays are extremely forecastable and limit skill expression. Not to mention that you can sit across the table from a monkey on yellow and still lose just because their life was cracked lol
@@MannyGamboaTV I'm not sure how your locals are, but I see some pretty wild decks pop up in the top 4 at mine and there are multiple players at my locals who are Judges at main events or have topped at them (just pointing out they aren't noobs). I've piloted Queen and Black Yellow Linlin decks to the top, I've seen Red/Black Sabo's, and even Blue/Green Rosinante among others. The problem is with all the net deckers who show up to the biggest tournaments with all the "best" decks in the format. In all fairness, they are definitely the most consistent. I get why they do it, they invest a lot of time and money to compete in these big tournaments traveling etc, they want to have the highest chance of success possible.
As far as your comment on Yellow goes, I totally agree with you and I think triggers are getting out of hand. I'm hoping they print more practical "banish" options in the future.
Other than that I totally respect your opinion on these other matters, and if you don't like One Piece for all the legit reasons you posted, again no hatred here, I feel you on those.
Yes 100% its nice to play
And cheap
And the pricing is fucking amazing
I got in to it in a month ago (dec 2024) - I think there is potential , BUT, I am collecting for the Japanese cards. Call me crazy, but they are still pretty cheap and the OP-5 boxes are almost half the price.
Cons: 1. they implement japanese version for asia ( which are not japanese speaking countries)
Yugioh decks are more expensive.....and ugly
Yeah the Fire King deck is $1000
Press x to doubt
Massive con you forgot is getting any kinda product at all that isnt scalped by lgcs or even go and get a pack
And bandai cut lgs allocations for OP-06 OP-07 and possibly OP-08 because they dont have the factories and to many games they cut restocks of OP-01 thru OP-04 because they had to focus on printing and making enough product for the dragon ball tcg relaunch
It most certainly is not worth playing at all.
Bandai supports the scalpers more than they support the players.
Not enough cards for sale.
They sell to individuals who mass buy cartons and then scalp the hell out of everyone.
The game is fun, but you cant collect the cards you want because they are never available
This game is becoming impossible to play casually if you don't have deep pockets. Product is non existent and STARTER decks are inaccessible also. I wouldn't recommend this game to anyone right now unless they have a lot of money to spend
One piece packs are still cheaper then lorcana
i agree 👍
Weird that the game is instant in being BO1
" $ is a problem "
" you should invest in this "
Thats how we get a $ problem. Market watch channels poppimg up one after the other
I hear what you are saying, but I think you misunderstood me. I'm saying that if you invest in new sets as they come out you get way ahead of the game. So whenever a new set or starter deck pops up you buy it and then you can just sell the cards for more later. But I do agree there is still a problem with cards that get way too expensive like Borsalino, Katakuri, etc.
All of this can be addressed with simply reprinting more cards..but Bandai is braindead in this regard.
The game itself doesn't seem fun but this would be a nightmare as a collector who just likes one piece.
Also mtg,pokemon and yugioh are easier to learn honestly
The game is superfun! A love it. But...the cards are too priece. in US, its a expensive tcg, but in latin america...dude...its ridiculus!!
Free money printer cheat code
Buy as MUCH one piece boxes and sell them to dummies for inflated prices 😈😈😈😈
The whole discussion about investments made me want to throw up lol
Everything seems right 😅 you can build a deck cheap a great one too it's the alt art that are expensive considering the people interested and print run makes since it's actually a more easy to play game than mtg
It’s not only alt arts that are expensive. Borsalino, Katakuri, and Queen are the most infamous examples of base rarity cards that are ridiculously expensive to buy.
@@Sehon13Ultd I mean Queen are literally Purple Staples, Kat 8 drop help Kat leader become good enough in a red meta Era, Bors were cheap since red rule the meta for a whole til Saka came out which kills red so like literally how the meta being play, and top 3 meta decks are Purple luffy, Enel, and Saka, all 3 decks have those cards you talked about, how about just buy it once for staples and never again 🤔
Whether a card was cheap in the past doesn’t matter if a player is new and didn’t have a chance to get those cards yet. I’m not saying you shouldn’t buy them, I’m just saying they’re expensive. So saying the only expensive cards are the alt arts is false.
@Sehon13Ultd never did say the only expensive cards are alt arts but ok, but then again this happen almost everytime with a new tcg that isn't pokemon. so like just buy them if not there always budget cards that you can have for fun etc.
Yes, bye!
That lorcana card game really took off.
It’s a bunch of sports cards people trying to pump prices and grade cards. The TCG itself is trash and not nearly as played
Forgot the #1 CON: NO STOCK, and 06 and 07 already appear they'll be sold out at launch.
Because of cost - Don't play Black, Yellow.
Because of cost don't play Tourney's
50$ to 100$ will not win you or even rank at Locals, closer to $200 will get you top 6-8.
Get a group together that will let you play other language cards as this takes the cost to play down significantly.
Bandai desn't care if the west plays and will never mitigate these disasters and new players is not something they seem to want at all. Many in the OP community no longer want new players either - price is driving this a little but it's no available stock is the number one reason.
Dead game. My friends try getting me in at the start of the game. Couldn't even find cards. He stays and hurts like crazy for cards. I left. He got me into it 2 months ago, again cuz he wants us to play with him. Can't even find all the cards I need or find packs at the store. Again, dead game when u can't even get cards in the hands of people. U don't see any kids playing, just some old man lol. I have the money to buy the cards but I don't like to support card games like this. Sorry but no sorry to the community.
Eh, the gameplay is stale and the cards are overpriced. Definitely not worth playing.
One of the best things about Flesh and Blood is that if the creators notice if certain cards are shooting up in price they print they hell out of it next set. Screw making your game a market, I want as many people playing it as possible.
If that is true, I wish it helped the market prices out way more in than it does. Cards that any serious player is going to need at some point like Art of War ($30 each), CnC ($80 each), EStrike ($35 each), Crown of Prov ($75), Crown of Dom ($65), and Fyendal's ($85) are still way too expensive. Then every class has their own special overpriced Equipment like Spellbound Creepers ($125), Flamescale Furnace ($65), Phantasmal Footsteps ($140), and so on...
I won't even get into super specialty cards you want for certain decks like Arknight Shard, Eye of Ophidia, or Heart of Fyendal.
Please don't misunderstand me, I like Flesh and Blood, I have 5 different decks currently: Katsu, Viserai, Dromai, Prism, and Teklovossen. Some decks are more on the fun side and some are more competitive ones. However, I can't even fully complete my higher tier decks because I can't afford the equipment in them.