Shamans have always had tranquil air totem to compete with salvation. Windfury just always took precedence. With druids now giving windfury, now shamans are free to use tranquil air totem.
Not quite. Tranquil Air is inherently flawed as an ability for multiple reasons. 1) Not only WFT, but GoAT (agi) also share the wind totem slot 2) TAT only reduces threat by 20%, instead of 30% 3) By far biggest issue: Totems are group-wide auras, as opposed to blessings being class-wide buffs. Buffs can be clicked off, auras cant. In a 10man raid with a melee/tank grp and a healer/caster group, Tranquil Air is not applicable for the melee/tank group, as it would reduce the tanks threat as well. So TAT is only really an option for caster groups. The vast majority of dmg increasing raid buffs are melee dps increases Might (melee ap) Kings (10%str/agi) WF GoA(agi) SoE(str) TSA(ap) LotP (crit) Battleshout (melee ap) MotW (str/agi)) and caster buffs basically coming down to moonkin aura (spell crit), winter's chill (frost crit) debuff and shadow priests shadow weaving (shadow dmg), it is usually melee dps in need of threat reduction. So yeah, Tranquil Air is still crap, even if we had both Agi and WF taken care of. Keep also in mind that the bigger the raid, the less a totem provides in total, whereas a paladins' blessings scales with the size of the raid. That's why you are encouraged to stack shamans, but not paladins. Because shaman buffs are a liability.
horde can go to deadmines the same way alliance can go to wailing caverns.. both have great items in them for the level range and there’s literally nothing special in stockades lol
This is sooo important for faction balance. People will almost always take the ”strongast” faction, purely based on known facts. Even if horde would get kings, if it wasnt known ahead of time, it would be too late then. So yeah, thanks for spreading awareness!
I dislike these runes tbh, as they will be mandatory to take. Horde hunters will be shoe-horned into being buff bots, not a fan. Same for paladins for Horn of Lordaeron or Ferals for wild strikes. Like-wise as a shaman, I feel cheated out of my class identity, with others getting superior versions of my buffs. Give horde paladins and alliance shamans, replace these runes with fun ones, and end this farce.
@@roffe8751 Yeah tbh I would've left it at that. Runes dont fix a rotten foundation. Vanilla is great for what it is, but you cant fix classes without adressing core issues like raid buffs, mana costs, threat, dps numbers and class design on a fundamental level. If they dont adress pet not scaling with gear for example, the BM rune will start out strong at current lvl cap, but evtl lose power as pet dmg percentage will go down. Runes imo should serve as a little sprinkle of sugar on top of a allready well-rounded spec/class. Like most people mage healing rogue/wl tanking's too much, shaman should be able to do it baseline, not requiring a rune. I do like that the hunter runes unlock more choices to go melee, bm, petless, melee and petless...sadly this causes a lot of runes to exclude each other too, eliminating a lot of choice as well. I have no solution for that one though, sadly.
TBH - i love the idea, but i really think they should move the talents around too, especially for Hybrid Classes in general. Feral e.g. you have powershifting to consider and in balance tree, clarity of omen etc. I think they should have a think about talent trees and move things to where they make more sense, who knows later down the line they may just do this.
Windfury totem will become obsolete if they don’t change it from imbuing the weapon. If Wild Strikes is just a buff, people would rather have a druid instead so they could use poisons or sharpening stones.
I was kind of disappointed to see that it was in fact Hunters that ended up with Kings 🤔 but I guess that makes sense. They were about to get pushed out given their DPS-only setup. Super big buff for them
I don't think shamans will get it. I think some off spec will, which would make major sense. Why? Because they are trying to make all specs viable. So I wouldn't be shocked if Moonkins were to get that buff/aura. The new meta will be feral druids as windfury lords (both sides), shamans for tranquil air, some class spec (like moonkin, but not necessarily them) for blessing of the kings and else to spice things up. Shamans already have the big 4 in their bag: Ranged DPS (Elemental), Melee DPS (Enhancement), Tanking and healing. There is no way they are going to add more stuff on them. If anything it is going to be some off-spec nobody usually plays in raids like frost mage (that's why I mentioned moonkins).
I honestly love this. Also i think some people are saying its too much when they look at all those abilities but forget you only get to pick one from each group.
@@Liftheavy85 true, but with how any and all specs will be viable now, 40 man raids will probably bring enough shamans to have most groups covered.. but you're right, 1 single pally could buff an entire raid and shamans cant, so it's not actually equiv
We don't want the factions to be the same. We don't want all classes to be able to do the same things. How hard is it to understand why classic is still popular. I think I'll save myself and just keep going on Era.
@@atinygoose6199ele shamans look like they will be absolutely insane in pvp.. they already had the best burst in vanilla, and with the overload and lava burst runes, they’ll be OP.. even without giving horde kings, many people would’ve still played it
@@rookie28604 you're right, I shouldnt, and I don't. But people do it these days, get on Wowhead to know what faction, race, class, everything to play. Not everyone, but enough to seriously shift things. That's why so many played alliance in normal classic, paladins were just better for raids than shamans. And when they added the shaman stuff to paladin and druid in season of mastery, it was going to just compound the problem unless they balanced it out.
I guess the idea behind this is make one faction better than the other. In vanilla ppl were split on which faction was better. Now we know the horde will be better. Making all the same mistakes all over again. Thx for ruining my hype. Hardcore is the only hope.
So sad... making fractions the same... it reminds of Retail.... and SWTOR... so sad. Go play Retail if u want to have Allience abilities as Horde. Classic is unballanced - has always been, should always be. Between classes, and between fractions. That is part of the core identity of Classic. So sad.
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Shamans have always had tranquil air totem to compete with salvation. Windfury just always took precedence. With druids now giving windfury, now shamans are free to use tranquil air totem.
Genius!
Not bad, but they're still restricted to party wide buffs vs raid wide for paladins.
Not quite. Tranquil Air is inherently flawed as an ability for multiple reasons.
1) Not only WFT, but GoAT (agi) also share the wind totem slot
2) TAT only reduces threat by 20%, instead of 30%
3) By far biggest issue: Totems are group-wide auras, as opposed to blessings being class-wide buffs. Buffs can be clicked off, auras cant. In a 10man raid with a melee/tank grp and a healer/caster group, Tranquil Air is not applicable for the melee/tank group, as it would reduce the tanks threat as well. So TAT is only really an option for caster groups.
The vast majority of dmg increasing raid buffs are melee dps increases
Might (melee ap)
Kings (10%str/agi)
WF
GoA(agi)
SoE(str)
TSA(ap)
LotP (crit)
Battleshout (melee ap)
MotW (str/agi))
and caster buffs basically coming down to moonkin aura (spell crit), winter's chill (frost crit) debuff and shadow priests shadow weaving (shadow dmg), it is usually melee dps in need of threat reduction. So yeah, Tranquil Air is still crap, even if we had both Agi and WF taken care of.
Keep also in mind that the bigger the raid, the less a totem provides in total, whereas a paladins' blessings scales with the size of the raid. That's why you are encouraged to stack shamans, but not paladins. Because shaman buffs are a liability.
Well, Shaman didn’t get. Hunters got it.
No one is mentioning Horde access to Deadmines and Stockades. Cruel Barb, defias sets, etc.
horde can go to deadmines the same way alliance can go to wailing caverns.. both have great items in them for the level range
and there’s literally nothing special in stockades lol
This is sooo important for faction balance. People will almost always take the ”strongast” faction, purely based on known facts. Even if horde would get kings, if it wasnt known ahead of time, it would be too late then. So yeah, thanks for spreading awareness!
I dislike these runes tbh, as they will be mandatory to take. Horde hunters will be shoe-horned into being buff bots, not a fan. Same for paladins for Horn of Lordaeron or Ferals for wild strikes. Like-wise as a shaman, I feel cheated out of my class identity, with others getting superior versions of my buffs.
Give horde paladins and alliance shamans, replace these runes with fun ones, and end this farce.
@@MrOrmanley or just buff underperforming specs and leave perfect ones alone + give us new raids and pvp tiers.
@@roffe8751 Yeah tbh I would've left it at that. Runes dont fix a rotten foundation. Vanilla is great for what it is, but you cant fix classes without adressing core issues like raid buffs, mana costs, threat, dps numbers and class design on a fundamental level. If they dont adress pet not scaling with gear for example, the BM rune will start out strong at current lvl cap, but evtl lose power as pet dmg percentage will go down. Runes imo should serve as a little sprinkle of sugar on top of a allready well-rounded spec/class. Like most people mage healing rogue/wl tanking's too much, shaman should be able to do it baseline, not requiring a rune.
I do like that the hunter runes unlock more choices to go melee, bm, petless, melee and petless...sadly this causes a lot of runes to exclude each other too, eliminating a lot of choice as well. I have no solution for that one though, sadly.
TBH - i love the idea, but i really think they should move the talents around too, especially for Hybrid Classes in general. Feral e.g. you have powershifting to consider and in balance tree, clarity of omen etc. I think they should have a think about talent trees and move things to where they make more sense, who knows later down the line they may just do this.
I'm loving this additions and changes, so many classes as tanks or healers is gonna be great for just playing the game. Can't wait man
Windfury totem will become obsolete if they don’t change it from imbuing the weapon. If Wild Strikes is just a buff, people would rather have a druid instead so they could use poisons or sharpening stones.
Shamans would just run agility totem and they wouldn't need to totem twist anymore.
Where does it say that it will be shamans who gets kings? 😅
I was kind of disappointed to see that it was in fact Hunters that ended up with Kings 🤔 but I guess that makes sense. They were about to get pushed out given their DPS-only setup. Super big buff for them
did alliance get bloodlust or no
I don't think shamans will get it. I think some off spec will, which would make major sense. Why? Because they are trying to make all specs viable. So I wouldn't be shocked if Moonkins were to get that buff/aura. The new meta will be feral druids as windfury lords (both sides), shamans for tranquil air, some class spec (like moonkin, but not necessarily them) for blessing of the kings and else to spice things up. Shamans already have the big 4 in their bag: Ranged DPS (Elemental), Melee DPS (Enhancement), Tanking and healing. There is no way they are going to add more stuff on them. If anything it is going to be some off-spec nobody usually plays in raids like frost mage (that's why I mentioned moonkins).
please do a video on your best guess at every classes first rune at level 2
I'm guessing it will be tied to a totem. One that's important like air.
That's not equivalent and I hope they don't do that. Make totems raid wide and then it would make sense.
@Liftheavy85 paladin str/agil and tremor effect weren't equivalent. As a shaman player I'm not holding my breath. We're getting shit on.
Great video! Also, has there been any official statement what the cap for amount of runes you can have?
No cap
I honestly love this. Also i think some people are saying its too much when they look at all those abilities but forget you only get to pick one from each group.
It would have been nice if they had set the level cap to 29.
horde already has might/wisdom/salv equivalents with shaman totems
Not equivalent. Totems are party only compared to might/wisdom/salv is raid wide
@@Liftheavy85 true, but with how any and all specs will be viable now, 40 man raids will probably bring enough shamans to have most groups covered.. but you're right, 1 single pally could buff an entire raid and shamans cant, so it's not actually equiv
Horde needs blessing of salv to make it fair
Can't wait someone commeting how horde getting kings ruins vanilla.
Reporting for duty
We don't want the factions to be the same.
We don't want all classes to be able to do the same things.
How hard is it to understand why classic is still popular.
I think I'll save myself and just keep going on Era.
couldn't it be a unique buff how hard would that be?
Unique as in alliance only?
@@ikewhite6832 unique as in ally have BoK and then shamans would have a unique buff
I was feeling that they kept the shaman rework hidden because it fucking sucked lol 0 new stuff other than ancestral healing maybe
Homogenizing the factions . Where have I seen this before...?
We want changes, we don't want changes, make up ur mind! Faction mechanics are lame anyway
I want people to play horde. If alliance is flat better, no one will play horde. And ashenvale will suck if no one plays horde.
@@atinygoose6199ele shamans look like they will be absolutely insane in pvp.. they already had the best burst in vanilla, and with the overload and lava burst runes, they’ll be OP.. even without giving horde kings, many people would’ve still played it
@@atinygoose6199 You shouldn't want to play horde or alliance because of faction\class balance. That's bad game design.
@@rookie28604 you're right, I shouldnt, and I don't. But people do it these days, get on Wowhead to know what faction, race, class, everything to play. Not everyone, but enough to seriously shift things. That's why so many played alliance in normal classic, paladins were just better for raids than shamans.
And when they added the shaman stuff to paladin and druid in season of mastery, it was going to just compound the problem unless they balanced it out.
I think they will add sham for ally and pally for horde.
Please no
They will not that why they are trying to balbce shamans and paladins respectively
@@ikewhite6832 they are tryin to Balance All, not only sham and pal
Absolutely not, the sense of faction difference is important
There is no faction Differenzen anymore, both sides got all buffs and abilities now😢
I guess the idea behind this is make one faction better than the other. In vanilla ppl were split on which faction was better. Now we know the horde will be better. Making all the same mistakes all over again. Thx for ruining my hype. Hardcore is the only hope.
So sad... making fractions the same... it reminds of Retail.... and SWTOR... so sad. Go play Retail if u want to have Allience abilities as Horde.
Classic is unballanced - has always been, should always be. Between classes, and between fractions. That is part of the core identity of Classic. So sad.
No because meta is ALWAYS alliance in vanilla
Then play on classic era servers you snowflake
Play era if u don't like the changes..