Those nuts even sound different when you drop them on the work bench. The black ones are bright and glassy, while white Tusq just sound like plastic to me.
@@warmoth he's being sarcastic what he is saying is since there's no real difference between the two neck sounds so we might as well just be listening to the difference between the nuts 😂
@@warmoth Hey Aaron: how about a video comparing different fretboard woods, sorta like you did with vintage vs. modern neck construction video? For example, rosewood vs. maple vs. ebony?
Or, if you're a mature educated adult, you see no need to consume poisonous mind-altering substances which have addicted and killed more people than all wars combined, along with destroying more marriages, careers, and families then by any other means.
Interesting... on the clean stuff, the roasted sounds warmer, not as clear as regular maple....but on the distorted tones, I think the roasted cuts better. I’m a fan of the roasted necks for many reasons. Thanks so much for taking the time to do this!
Aaron, You are the reason I now own two amazing warmoth guitars that I specd out and assembled during lockdown with a third build on the way. These videos and builds have gotten me through lockdown and I am ever so grateful for you taking the time to do these demos and videos explaining all the detailed options available. It get us fellow guitar enthusiasts excited about amazing quality Warmoth products and service that hasn't disappointed despite the pandemic. Keep up the good work and "keep on picking"
I've got 2 basses with your roasted maple necks. The improvement in playability goes without saying but the improvement in tone is beyond what I hoped for! Thanks again guys!
Way to go Aaron! Most other comparisons I've seen online aren't able to keep all the variables the same. Most have different fretboard radiuses. You're the best!
@@MisterRorschach90 ...including Warmoth. They had a Tele Rosewood neck in stock until this weekend and had Brazilian Ebony necks in stock recently (although likely a trial run, not something always available).
@@MisterRorschach90 I don't know if this interests you.. Phillip McKnight did a nice tone comparison of the one piece rosewood neck guitar, compared to an identical guitar with raw maple neck. ruclips.net/video/C1J-0hyDEIE/видео.html
The midrange structure is definitely different. The tightness of the roasted maple is very desirable and the smooth high mids make it seem great for the blues, not to mention the tuning stability differences. Here’s a suggestion for another video if you haven’t already, is to test tuning stability roasted vs not over time in a time lapsed video with equal playing time storage etc. great video
Like you said Aaron, the isolated changes are very subtle , glad you’re doing some real scientific tests to verify these common guitar perceptions. I love my roasted maple neck , it just feels amazing every day when I pick up the guitar!
I love these tests that you do with the different components Aaron! I thought the difference was very subtle as well but did notice the slightly brighter high end on the roasted neck too. On a couple of the tests, I purposely scrolled the video down so I couldn't see when you switched and I didn't even notice the jump between the two parts. That really is a testament to how closely you play the parts the same way. Nice going!
Interesting difference! I love these videos. One thing I'd be fascinated to see in a future video is a comparison between a Warmoth hard maple body and a more commonly used body material such as mahogany. I see speculation online that hard maple guitar bodies would have too bright of a sound, and others who swear the sound is usable and amazing. Warmoth could put this to the test!
You’re a beauty Aaron. Thanks for the time and effort. Not enough tone difference for me to worry about but the look, feel and stability definitely is. Cheers.
I thought it would me more of a harmonic thing than bright/ dark thing. I could hear a difference, but I'm not sure how to describe it. The standard maybe less tame.
The biggest difference I caught was in the lead example at the end. The roasted maple neck seems to be catching harmonic overtones. I know that sound because out of all my guitars, only one does it. I've had multiple pickups in it and it's always present, I think it has to do with the relationship between the woods in the neck and body. You've got the winning combo there, I wouldn't change out that roasted maple neck for anything haha
When I first listened I heard a slightly brighter tone from the roasted maple. Then I closed my eyes for a better comparison and there was no difference. I did that because I didn't want to be swayed by my eyes.
Oh I missed these comparisons! Glad to see a new one. And yes that's my experience as well. Roasted maple necks seem to be super tight but also have less body. Which can be helped with a fatback profile I suppose! PS I'd love to hear bass comparisons as well!
For me, the notes on chords are more separated and distinct on the roasted neck. The roasted neck also has a little more sustain. Chords on the standard maple can get a tad bit muddy sounding. I'm getting ready to order my third neck so I watched this video to see if I wanted to change back to regular maple on one of the necks. The first two roasted maple Strat necks are great albeit some cracking problems when installing one of them. That's something everyone working with roasted maple should be aware of. I love the brighter look of the standard maple but after watching this video, I'm sticking with roasted on the third neck too. I live in southern Louisiana and humidity can be a problem especially at outdoor gigs. It's nice to know that the roasted maple more impervious to moisture, especially when a light lacquer finish is applied.
@@warmoth Funny humidity story (I have several), we were playing an outdoor gig at the Indian Hills Nudist Park in Lacombe, La. As soon as I hit the property, we had one of those cloud burst deluges that drop about 4" of rain in an hour. You know what it's like after the water hits that hot asphalt; you can swim in the humidity. That night when it cooled down a little, all of my vintage guitars were completely soaked and I had to keep a towel in my pocket and wipe the neck off about every minute or so just so I could play. I thought I had ruined everything because they were vintage guitars and really didn't have much finish left on them. Plus, I had my 1960 Bassman out there. By the way, people that join those nudist parks are not pretty. I'll stick with something that is almost impervious to that humidity.
I replaced the next on my Strat with a Warmoth roasted maple neck. Didn't notice any tone difference, but it sure feels way better. So slick and precise.
I think that those factors are if not well known, talked about enough to the point that someone deciding would take them into account in addition to this video's details.
Roasted wood is pretty much sealed against moisture at the surface so it doesn't change in weight or dimension over time. You can order and play them unfinished. Regular maple is more porous to movement of moisture in/out of the wood so in a dry climate it can shrink a bit over time, causing fret sprout... but that's usually nothing more serious than a quick once-over with a fret end file. Even lacquer finished maple necks can settle over time causing sprout, while I think roasted necks should not. Warmoth will warranty an unfinished roasted neck, but if you don't finish a raw maple neck you're on your own - it's because unfinished raw maple can be more prone to humps and warping than roasted. This doesn't mean every unfinished or sanded-down raw neck will warp, it's just a chance you take if you go that route. For greatest stability in every case I would order a Boatneck profile, there's simply more solid wood there. 1 inch neck depth.
Great video .. confirms there is no noticeable difference for me, purely an aesthetic thing.. that guitar looks better with a roasted neck, therefore the roasted neck sounds better 🤣🤘🎸😆😂
Absolutely hear it. And agree with everything you said. I think the roasted as is would cut through killer in a mix, but neither has any quality that couldn't easily be shaped like the other with EQ. In fact that's what they sound like, the same guitar EQd differently.
I heard a slight but definite difference in the two maple necks. The roasted maple neck had a slightly brighter but nice sparkle to it with a more defined mid-range and low end. In a word, the roasted maple neck had a more "produced" sound to it. In a recording, this may be significant. In a live setting, likely wouldn't matter much. A lot of what we hear or think we hear is about perception more than audible difference. That said, I think I would opt for the roasted maple neck. I do think finish on wood makes a difference in the overall tone stew. I definitely would be interested in hearing this comparison using unfinished maple necks. Great job!! I've been a user and fan of Warmoth guitar necks for decades!!
I love my roasted maple necks. Not sure I'll ever get another regular neck that requires a finish. One bit of advice for one-piece roasted maple or roasted maple on roasted maple: Get the white side dots rather than the black ones. In a darkened room or stage it is nearly impossible to see the black side dots because of the darker wood. But the white dots stand out just fine. If you already have one with the black side dots, a little dab of white nail polish or model airplane paint on each dot fixes the issue, and can be lightly sanded off if you ever decide to sell it.
Oh man, I found this out the hard way. I made 2 custom guitars with roasted flame maple necks. The dots were made from paua abalone. I can't see them at all under the lights in a stage! Ive even made mistakes playing live because of it...Its so frustrating because the guitars were not cheap and are dream builds but I fucked up on the inlay material, should have gone with white pearloid. Now I can put stickers but it may damage the nitro finish. Getting new necks is very expensive as well for both guitars. Maybe ill have to compromise and put the stickers on....lesson learned
I’m sticking with regular necks. I’ve seen some photos of roasted necks with cracks. They look amazing but there is that possibility of cracking that lurks
Yes, I agree Aaron! I would argue that the to my ears the roasted maple neck had more Presence and definitely a tighter lowe end. You can hear the differences in the low end more clearly in the distortion riffs! Thanks for making such good videos! They are quite insightful (especially the tone tests)
You could play them both raw if you apply a very thin oil and wax 'gunstock' style finish a la Roy Buchanan. Can look up videos on how to sand any neck and do this. The fine sanding just takes a little bit of patience. A gunstock finish helps keep the neck surface very clean (it still feels like raw wood, super slippery) but there isn't an obnoxious layer of finish causing any internal reflection or damping. An unsealed raw neck may move and warp over time, it's just the luck of what piece of maple you got and how the internal stresses release over time due to moisture movement (hopefully, you only get a small amount of overall shrinkage which doesn't ruin playability.)
I would agree. I heard the brightness in the roasted neck. Both are great and definitely very slight. I would agree that the aesthetics of matching the body and the neck are important. It is nice to know how those decisions will impact the tone of the instrument. Great video. I learn something every time.
I thought there was a very subtle difference between the two necks. When you were playing clean, the roasted maple neck seemed to prove a little more high-end response, however, when you pour on the dirt the difference pretty much disappears. That kind of surprised me, because I thought (or assumed) it would be the other way around. I did wonder if the necks were finished or not, but you did clarify that at the end of the video. I think I would go for the roasted maple neck, mainly because I like the way it looks. A roasted flame-maple neck would look very nice.
Dang! On my monitorings, TV and phone: can't hear a noticeable difference! I'm very happy with my latest Warmoth Maple Flame Roasted Neck purchase! Unboxing / Review / Build ➡️ Slap my face ! 😉👍
Warmoth's one-piece raw maple necks generally sound fat in the low-mids, just like Aaron said. That wasn't news to me. I prefer the tone of the roasted maple.
To me the maple neck had a bit of a squishy tone in the mids and high end, where the roasted was more crisp and clear. I definitely liked the roasted more, the tone was much more accentuated with a light overdrive
Interesting comparison. I hear a difference but it's hard to categorize....in a way the roasted sounds a bit brighter but that's not quite it....maybe clearer. I think the response of the wood is complicated and you get a different response to various techniques/styles of playing and types of music that you're playing. I think I prefer the roasted but need to try it for myself to know.
To my ears, the roasted maple had more definition especially dirty. The notes popped more with it. I opened this thinking I wouldn't be able to hear a difference, maple is maple, but it was pretty apparent.
@@KAIOabstrct Many listen with their eyes and hear what they want to hear, that's why. Neck doesn't really have any tonality in itself, much less in an electric guitar. Here's a great vid that really goes into the meat and potatoes of where the tone comes from; ruclips.net/video/n02tImce3AE/видео.html It's 12 min so it's not too long and is accurate.
Love your tone tests. The effort you put in to give the most unbiased examples. This was interesting, very small but still audible difference. As if the roasted one was the slightest bit "softer", darker, less mid present to me. I suppose I'm trying to say more balanced over the whole spectrum. Here's a couple of ideas I'm interested to hear: Neck constructions (bolt-on, set-neck, neck-thru, I know they're different but how much if you keep the other parameters the same?), Bridges (telecaster, stratocaster, tune-o-matic, evertune, floyd rose, even bigsby? People say they can hear the difference between two-point and synchronized six screws strat bridge even, and I "know" that a floyd will change the tone. Supposedly tele bridge also affects the pickup operation) and Nuts (there are so many options, whatever plastic, bone, TUSQ, brass, zero fret and it's another one of those critical points where the string sits and it's supposed to change the tone more or less noticeably). Oh and your talk about finish at the end of the video brought up this to my mind: many people have said that when they removed the lacquer from their neck, or the paint, it became significantly brighter to the point they couldn't stand it. There's another idea for the video, painted vs clean necks, on top of that finished vs unfinished necks. And same for body I guess, sometimes people claim cheap guitars have the thickest paint jobs killing the body, and that removing the body finish or only lacquering it makes a clear difference.
There's definitely an overall improvement with the roasted maple, but it's a small difference. Would I pay for it? Yes. The roasted wood sounds more open and resonant. There only one thing about the roasted maple that gives me pause. In my dreams I want a transparent blue guitar with a matching blue headstock, and the color of roasted maple makes a transparent blue finish less vibrant. I also want a vintage tint gloss on the neck, but that has a similar effect over a blue finish, so I'm hoping Warmoth can do a non-roasted peghead veneer and spray the peghead front with clear varnish , but the rest of the neck with the vintage tint varnish. If not, I'll have to consider a different color finish than blue, or just go with a non-roasted neck. The truth is, unroasted maple has always been good enough in the past, and as I said, the different, while noticeable in direct A/B testing, is small. Decisions, decisions!
I've built a parts--caster (about 2.5 years ago) using a Warmoth Korina body and a Musikraft roasted maple neck and besides the incredible sustain this combo produces the main issue for me is the stability of this neck : no fret-sprout (i.e. the neck does not shrink when the air gets dry in the winter months > the fret ends do not start to protrude out of the fingerboard), it simply does not move one iota. I'm a happy camper and the extra cost was well worth it for me !
Aaron, we all know you love free guitars - who doesn't? - so could you guys make a video of you actually picking out woods and parts and putting a guitar together step by step? I'd like to see the entire pricess from a piece of wood to a finished guitar 🙂
I too heard a very small increase in high frequencies with the roasted maple neck. But again, it was very subtle, so other preferences such as color, price, feel, cosmetics, should probably take precedence over this very small difference.
I heard precisely...........zero difference in this test, at least trough YT sound compression. In the past, the biggest sound difference in these Warmoth tests i heard, came from the neck thickness test, but most surprising to me, the fingerboard material test, which made a more drastic difference than i was expecting.
I heard a bit of difference and also have a Warmoth roasted maple super flamed too on a complete Warmoth tele build. Since I’m not able to do the test personally I’ll probably never know for certain. Luv your demos and looking forward to any build project.
I’m actually shocked that I could hear a slight, slight difference. The Roasted Maple seemed to have a bit more “clarity” in its fundamental, and the underlying harmonics. That seemed to be true across all gain levels? The fact that you can have a stable neck that is unfinished, is a HUGE bonus. My next project will have a Roasted Maple neck… I have always used Warmoth Necks ONLY. ABSOLUTELY THE BEST.
You do a good job with these. I could hear the slight extra brightness of the roasted neck, mainly in the cleaner tones. You might consider organizing things more in terms of gain levels. I saw a Rick Beato video that compared gauges of strings, and it was quite apparent there that gain levels really affect how the underlying setup works.
big difference! regular is very clear, bell-like and "talky" - no place to hide. roasted adds a huge blanket of mids to the tone and takes off extreme high end and maybe some of the lows too, perfect for a player like me who doesn't want every nuance heard. roasted is the one i'd go for...
Seems to me like the Roasted Maple is more harmonically rich than the regular maple. Two or three years ago I bought a roasted maple neck from Warmoth for a Telicaster project. I went with the stainless steel fret wire, and I had a nitrocellulose finish put on it, along with the ebony compensating nut. I put this on a homemade telicaster I found in the trash at an acquaintance house who said that he made the guitar in high school in his father's cabinet shop. He was throwing it out because he thought it was a piece of shit. So I took it home just to see if it evan would work. And wouldn't you know , it was a player, with a bad neck. But still a player. I put the new neck on it along with a Babicz bridge and some scholler short locking tuning machines on it. It's my go to guitar. I actually prefer it over my American delux stratocaster with all of its bells and whistles. It just has a tone and playability that I prefer.
Great comparison! Thanks for the effort put into this video. Listening here through a bi-amped system with a crossover at 200hz. It sounds like the roasted maple neck samples have more immediate attack and a focused tone in the upper mids. The regular maple neck seems to spread the harmonic content more evenly, which sounds like a boost in the low mids with a less pronounced string attack on single notes by comparison. It must be the color of the nut! (just kidding =)
I did hear about more high end on the roasted maple but it's too subtle to fuss about. I just go with what I like the look of, and what I ended up getting from Warmoth last year was a 24 fret roasted maple neck with a gloss finish. That along with the soloist body that I modified to make more suitable for 24 frets are on hold at the moment though. I have to wait until the spring to finish painting the body, but the neck is beautiful. It should do just fine in our strange Canadian seasons. Question though: Will Warmoth make a body that accommodates 24 fret necks? Even with the contour options, the Soloist body looked impossible to play up on those high frets so I had to modify the lower cutaway and horn quite dramatically.
I stuck my neck in the oven to roast it. I guess I should have taken the tuners off because they changed color. The binding is all messed up too. Heck it sounds so roasted now though. So worth the sacrifices. It sounds amazing
thanks for this video. Assuming everything is the same, other than the necks…. What really stood out to me, watching on an old iPhone… the rhythm sounded much better on the roasted neck, due to the slight nasal character. It is very desirable and classic. However, the more distorted sounds are hard to discern the difference. Maybe, the cleans are slightly more even on the natural. ? That could just be a difference caused by other things? So I’m probably leaning towards the roasted, since it has other desirable properties. It would be interesting to see more of these, with other woods, and especially, other types of guitars & pickups. Likely, there is a sweet spot for each guitar style or pickup style, and sound/genre. For example, does a snappier wood sound better with twangy style pickups on a tele? Does a rounded buttery wood work better with hum buckers, for soloing? I’m sure there’s somebody, a luthier, who already knows this.
Yes to my ear it breaks up the hard glassy dynamics of a typical maple neck, just a bit. This is part of the reason why a light swamp ash body works so well with a maple neck, the airiness of the body wood tone compensates for the hardness of the maple neck when you pair them together.
06:05 I heard about as much different between the two necks as you could possibly hear between two necks of same wood. Every piece of wood is different and no doubt, you could put 5 maple necks side by side with each other & you would get a similar variance in tone to what you experienced here. I experienced similar tonal experience to you with the differences.
Finally a demonstration on the clear tonal differences between white and black tusq nuts!
What the????!!! Lol. :)
Those nuts even sound different when you drop them on the work bench. The black ones are bright and glassy, while white Tusq just sound like plastic to me.
@@helixworld The man knows his nuts.
@@warmoth he's being sarcastic what he is saying is since there's no real difference between the two neck sounds so we might as well just be listening to the difference between the nuts 😂
@@helixworld Man, i feel the same of you about the sound. But i was wondering If that was not the rostead thing. Or the finish
For me, and my untrained ears, it comes down to the aesthetics. What neck looks best with the body finish.
I am a simple man.
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same for me
Everybody talking about the necks but nobody mentions Aaron's slick jacket
Honestly, not sure he needs the jacket with those "hot" licks he's got stockpiled - I'll see myself out...
Haha....it just feels right, like something Joe Satriani would wear. :)
@@warmoth Looks super comfy and stylish. But how versatile is it? ;)
Aaron look like he's about to drop the hottest track time of 2021 on Nuremberg
@@warmoth Hey Aaron: how about a video comparing different fretboard woods, sorta like you did with vintage vs. modern neck construction video? For example, rosewood vs. maple vs. ebony?
Compared to light beer, darker lager definitely makes me less bright but a lot louder.
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Or, if you're a mature educated adult, you see no need to consume poisonous mind-altering substances which have addicted and killed more people than all wars combined, along with destroying more marriages, careers, and families then by any other means.
Interesting... on the clean stuff, the roasted sounds warmer, not as clear as regular maple....but on the distorted tones, I think the roasted cuts better.
I’m a fan of the roasted necks for many reasons.
Thanks so much for taking the time to do this!
I'm with Aaron on this, Roasted maple seemed tighter and brighter
Aaron, You are the reason I now own two amazing warmoth guitars that I specd out and assembled during lockdown with a third build on the way. These videos and builds have gotten me through lockdown and I am ever so grateful for you taking the time to do these demos and videos explaining all the detailed options available. It get us fellow guitar enthusiasts excited about amazing quality Warmoth products and service that hasn't disappointed despite the pandemic. Keep up the good work and "keep on picking"
Thanks Heavenreck....that means a lot!
I've got 2 basses with your roasted maple necks. The improvement in playability goes without saying but the improvement in tone is beyond what I hoped for! Thanks again guys!
Did you get the neck with a finish or without?
@@tonyinbrazil1 Got them unfinished. Been a few years and zero issues. Plus they feel killer!
I thought the roasted maple neck sounded more like a French horn than the regular maple. I did not expect that.
John Entwistle would have liked that.
Definitely dude......regular maple was more well rounded and baked was way to snappy
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Way to go Aaron! Most other comparisons I've seen online aren't able to keep all the variables the same. Most have different fretboard radiuses. You're the best!
Cool test as usual! The roasted maple has a bit of a darker, richer sound for my ears, I'd go with that.
6:22 Exactly! You have to change the whole recipe. Know what sound you're trying to get and pick the right ingredients to get you close!
The BEST comparison videos on YT but far… These cover every variable us indecisive guitarists could conjure up. 👍👍👍👍👍
Can we get a Rosewood vs Ebony fretboard sometime?
Those are not neck woods. Rather, they are fingerboard woods.
yess!! +1 on this video!
@@TallSomeone there are high end guitar luthiers who make necks out of those woods.
@@MisterRorschach90 ...including Warmoth. They had a Tele Rosewood neck in stock until this weekend and had Brazilian Ebony necks in stock recently (although likely a trial run, not something always available).
@@MisterRorschach90 I don't know if this interests you.. Phillip McKnight did a nice tone comparison of the one piece rosewood neck guitar, compared to an identical guitar with raw maple neck. ruclips.net/video/C1J-0hyDEIE/видео.html
It comes down to feel IMO. The roasted maple just feels like an old friend.
The midrange structure is definitely different. The tightness of the roasted maple is very desirable and the smooth high mids make it seem great for the blues, not to mention the tuning stability differences. Here’s a suggestion for another video if you haven’t already, is to test tuning stability roasted vs not over time in a time lapsed video with equal playing time storage etc. great video
Like you said Aaron, the isolated changes are very subtle , glad you’re doing some real scientific tests to verify these common guitar perceptions. I love my roasted maple neck , it just feels amazing every day when I pick up the guitar!
The best comparison videos as usual. Well done!!! The difference is subtle but existent. Keep up the good work!
I love these tests that you do with the different components Aaron! I thought the difference was very subtle as well but did notice the slightly brighter high end on the roasted neck too. On a couple of the tests, I purposely scrolled the video down so I couldn't see when you switched and I didn't even notice the jump between the two parts. That really is a testament to how closely you play the parts the same way. Nice going!
It’s all in the tone-pigment in the nut.
these comparison videos you guys do are state of the art, great stuff
Interesting difference! I love these videos.
One thing I'd be fascinated to see in a future video is a comparison between a Warmoth hard maple body and a more commonly used body material such as mahogany. I see speculation online that hard maple guitar bodies would have too bright of a sound, and others who swear the sound is usable and amazing. Warmoth could put this to the test!
You’re a beauty Aaron. Thanks for the time and effort. Not enough tone difference for me to worry about but the look, feel and stability definitely is. Cheers.
Subtle difference for sure. The roasted one sounds tighter, but the standard maple one sounds more rounded.
I Agree
I thought it would me more of a harmonic thing than bright/ dark thing. I could hear a difference, but I'm not sure how to describe it. The standard maybe less tame.
The biggest difference I caught was in the lead example at the end. The roasted maple neck seems to be catching harmonic overtones. I know that sound because out of all my guitars, only one does it. I've had multiple pickups in it and it's always present, I think it has to do with the relationship between the woods in the neck and body. You've got the winning combo there, I wouldn't change out that roasted maple neck for anything haha
the regular maple sounds great but there seems to be an extra "oomph" to the roastie than the regular
its too pronounce, it lacks fullness
When I first listened I heard a slightly brighter tone from the roasted maple. Then I closed my eyes for a better comparison and there was no difference. I did that because I didn't want to be swayed by my eyes.
Aaron just makes quarantine so much better!
Oh I missed these comparisons! Glad to see a new one. And yes that's my experience as well. Roasted maple necks seem to be super tight but also have less body. Which can be helped with a fatback profile I suppose! PS I'd love to hear bass comparisons as well!
Fantastic demos, every one! I appreciate the brief back to back comparison, very effective
For me, the notes on chords are more separated and distinct on the roasted neck. The roasted neck also has a little more sustain. Chords on the standard maple can get a tad bit muddy sounding. I'm getting ready to order my third neck so I watched this video to see if I wanted to change back to regular maple on one of the necks. The first two roasted maple Strat necks are great albeit some cracking problems when installing one of them. That's something everyone working with roasted maple should be aware of. I love the brighter look of the standard maple but after watching this video, I'm sticking with roasted on the third neck too. I live in southern Louisiana and humidity can be a problem especially at outdoor gigs. It's nice to know that the roasted maple more impervious to moisture, especially when a light lacquer finish is applied.
I live just a couple blocks down from you in southern Georgia, and humidity here is nuts too. My roasted maple necks shrug it off like it is nothing.
@@warmoth Funny humidity story (I have several), we were playing an outdoor gig at the Indian Hills Nudist Park in Lacombe, La. As soon as I hit the property, we had one of those cloud burst deluges that drop about 4" of rain in an hour. You know what it's like after the water hits that hot asphalt; you can swim in the humidity. That night when it cooled down a little, all of my vintage guitars were completely soaked and I had to keep a towel in my pocket and wipe the neck off about every minute or so just so I could play. I thought I had ruined everything because they were vintage guitars and really didn't have much finish left on them. Plus, I had my 1960 Bassman out there. By the way, people that join those nudist parks are not pretty. I'll stick with something that is almost impervious to that humidity.
I replaced the next on my Strat with a Warmoth roasted maple neck. Didn't notice any tone difference, but it sure feels way better. So slick and precise.
I thought the roasted had tighter and more forward mids...
thats what I heard, not like id be able to pick one or the other out in a blind test tho
Aaron, great work! I always appreciate the diligence you put into your videos! Thanks
It’s important to speak on other virtues of the two woods. Does roasted stay more stable over time? What finishes help?
I think that those factors are if not well known, talked about enough to the point that someone deciding would take them into account in addition to this video's details.
Roasted wood is pretty much sealed against moisture at the surface so it doesn't change in weight or dimension over time. You can order and play them unfinished.
Regular maple is more porous to movement of moisture in/out of the wood so in a dry climate it can shrink a bit over time, causing fret sprout... but that's usually nothing more serious than a quick once-over with a fret end file. Even lacquer finished maple necks can settle over time causing sprout, while I think roasted necks should not.
Warmoth will warranty an unfinished roasted neck, but if you don't finish a raw maple neck you're on your own - it's because unfinished raw maple can be more prone to humps and warping than roasted.
This doesn't mean every unfinished or sanded-down raw neck will warp, it's just a chance you take if you go that route. For greatest stability in every case I would order a Boatneck profile, there's simply more solid wood there. 1 inch neck depth.
Great video .. confirms there is no noticeable difference for me, purely an aesthetic thing.. that guitar looks better with a roasted neck, therefore the roasted neck sounds better 🤣🤘🎸😆😂
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Power of suggestion for sure.
I hear a different kind of attack in the roasted maple. Maybe more crispness in the cleans. Maybe just a touch darker with heavy distortion?
No you don't. You just think you do. You don't have bionic ears!
@@sihall1975 I hear what I hear
Absolutely hear it. And agree with everything you said.
I think the roasted as is would cut through killer in a mix, but neither has any quality that couldn't easily be shaped like the other with EQ.
In fact that's what they sound like, the same guitar EQd differently.
I have two of your roasted maple necks, one has a rosewood board. Both are awesome! Love your stuff!
I heard a slight but definite difference in the two maple necks. The roasted maple neck had a slightly brighter but nice sparkle to it with a more defined mid-range and low end. In a word, the roasted maple neck had a more "produced" sound to it. In a recording, this may be significant. In a live setting, likely wouldn't matter much. A lot of what we hear or think we hear is about perception more than audible difference. That said, I think I would opt for the roasted maple neck. I do think finish on wood makes a difference in the overall tone stew. I definitely would be interested in hearing this comparison using unfinished maple necks. Great job!! I've been a user and fan of Warmoth guitar necks for decades!!
Hearing slightly more harmonics from roasted maple.. spot on Aaron. Keep rocking and running dude
Love that Warhead headstock. Cool design.
I love my roasted maple necks. Not sure I'll ever get another regular neck that requires a finish. One bit of advice for one-piece roasted maple or roasted maple on roasted maple: Get the white side dots rather than the black ones. In a darkened room or stage it is nearly impossible to see the black side dots because of the darker wood. But the white dots stand out just fine. If you already have one with the black side dots, a little dab of white nail polish or model airplane paint on each dot fixes the issue, and can be lightly sanded off if you ever decide to sell it.
I agree!
Oh man, I found this out the hard way. I made 2 custom guitars with roasted flame maple necks. The dots were made from paua abalone. I can't see them at all under the lights in a stage! Ive even made mistakes playing live because of it...Its so frustrating because the guitars were not cheap and are dream builds but I fucked up on the inlay material, should have gone with white pearloid. Now I can put stickers but it may damage the nitro finish. Getting new necks is very expensive as well for both guitars. Maybe ill have to compromise and put the stickers on....lesson learned
I’m sticking with regular necks. I’ve seen some photos of roasted necks with cracks. They look amazing but there is that possibility of cracking that lurks
Yes, I agree Aaron! I would argue that the to my ears the roasted maple neck had more Presence and definitely a tighter lowe end. You can hear the differences in the low end more clearly in the distortion riffs!
Thanks for making such good videos! They are quite insightful (especially the tone tests)
Always enjoy these videos and comparisons - presented in a way that only Aaron can. Thank you.
I was wanting a roasted maple neck and I would surely want it without finish so I can't wait for that test coming up. Thanks Aaron!
You could play them both raw if you apply a very thin oil and wax 'gunstock' style finish a la Roy Buchanan. Can look up videos on how to sand any neck and do this. The fine sanding just takes a little bit of patience.
A gunstock finish helps keep the neck surface very clean (it still feels like raw wood, super slippery) but there isn't an obnoxious layer of finish causing any internal reflection or damping.
An unsealed raw neck may move and warp over time, it's just the luck of what piece of maple you got and how the internal stresses release over time due to moisture movement (hopefully, you only get a small amount of overall shrinkage which doesn't ruin playability.)
Man, God bless your ears... I cannot tell any difference... Good video...!
I appreciate your commitment to the scientific method.
I would agree. I heard the brightness in the roasted neck. Both are great and definitely very slight. I would agree that the aesthetics of matching the body and the neck are important. It is nice to know how those decisions will impact the tone of the instrument. Great video. I learn something every time.
Thank you - that took a lot of work. I agree with your results. they both sound good.
I believe I hear a subtle difference in the mids, really not something you'll notice in a mix. Neat video, guys!
I thought there was a very subtle difference between the two necks. When you were playing clean, the roasted maple neck seemed to prove a little more high-end response, however, when you pour on the dirt the difference pretty much disappears. That kind of surprised me, because I thought (or assumed) it would be the other way around.
I did wonder if the necks were finished or not, but you did clarify that at the end of the video.
I think I would go for the roasted maple neck, mainly because I like the way it looks. A roasted flame-maple neck would look very nice.
So black nuts don't give a darker sound?
great comparison! i just ordered one. thanks! and great playing by the way.
Dang! On my monitorings, TV and phone: can't hear a noticeable difference!
I'm very happy with my latest Warmoth Maple Flame Roasted Neck purchase!
Unboxing / Review / Build ➡️ Slap my face ! 😉👍
Warmoth's one-piece raw maple necks generally sound fat in the low-mids, just like Aaron said. That wasn't news to me. I prefer the tone of the roasted maple.
I have two guitars with your roasted maple necks, one with stainless frets. Love them.
To my ears~the roasted maple just looks cooler~...lol...love all things Warmoth~great work dudes~
To me the maple neck had a bit of a squishy tone in the mids and high end, where the roasted was more crisp and clear. I definitely liked the roasted more, the tone was much more accentuated with a light overdrive
Interesting comparison. I hear a difference but it's hard to categorize....in a way the roasted sounds a bit brighter but that's not quite it....maybe clearer. I think the response of the wood is complicated and you get a different response to various techniques/styles of playing and types of music that you're playing. I think I prefer the roasted but need to try it for myself to know.
thx u for this VDO , great comparison
i also agree with u about the tone.
3:33 vs 3:55
One of the most beautiful headstocks.
Excellent video. Gorgeous looking guitar too.
That thumbnail pic had me thinking of Michael Angelo Batio for some reason LOL! Beautiful guitars!
To my ears, the roasted maple had more definition especially dirty. The notes popped more with it. I opened this thinking I wouldn't be able to hear a difference, maple is maple, but it was pretty apparent.
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I agree, There is a brilliance and definition in the roasted one that the regular one doesn't have. Im shocked not everyone heard this.
@@KAIOabstrct Many listen with their eyes and hear what they want to hear, that's why. Neck doesn't really have any tonality in itself, much less in an electric guitar.
Here's a great vid that really goes into the meat and potatoes of where the tone comes from; ruclips.net/video/n02tImce3AE/видео.html It's 12 min so it's not too long and is accurate.
Amazing content! Thanks for the good work, please keep it up!
Love your tone tests. The effort you put in to give the most unbiased examples. This was interesting, very small but still audible difference. As if the roasted one was the slightest bit "softer", darker, less mid present to me. I suppose I'm trying to say more balanced over the whole spectrum.
Here's a couple of ideas I'm interested to hear:
Neck constructions (bolt-on, set-neck, neck-thru, I know they're different but how much if you keep the other parameters the same?),
Bridges (telecaster, stratocaster, tune-o-matic, evertune, floyd rose, even bigsby? People say they can hear the difference between two-point and synchronized six screws strat bridge even, and I "know" that a floyd will change the tone. Supposedly tele bridge also affects the pickup operation) and
Nuts (there are so many options, whatever plastic, bone, TUSQ, brass, zero fret and it's another one of those critical points where the string sits and it's supposed to change the tone more or less noticeably).
Oh and your talk about finish at the end of the video brought up this to my mind: many people have said that when they removed the lacquer from their neck, or the paint, it became significantly brighter to the point they couldn't stand it. There's another idea for the video, painted vs clean necks, on top of that finished vs unfinished necks. And same for body I guess, sometimes people claim cheap guitars have the thickest paint jobs killing the body, and that removing the body finish or only lacquering it makes a clear difference.
There's definitely an overall improvement with the roasted maple, but it's a small difference. Would I pay for it? Yes. The roasted wood sounds more open and resonant.
There only one thing about the roasted maple that gives me pause. In my dreams I want a transparent blue guitar with a matching blue headstock, and the color of roasted maple makes a transparent blue finish less vibrant. I also want a vintage tint gloss on the neck, but that has a similar effect over a blue finish, so I'm hoping Warmoth can do a non-roasted peghead veneer and spray the peghead front with clear varnish , but the rest of the neck with the vintage tint varnish. If not, I'll have to consider a different color finish than blue, or just go with a non-roasted neck. The truth is, unroasted maple has always been good enough in the past, and as I said, the different, while noticeable in direct A/B testing, is small. Decisions, decisions!
I've built a parts--caster (about 2.5 years ago) using a Warmoth Korina body and a Musikraft roasted maple neck and besides the incredible sustain this combo produces the main issue for me is the stability of this neck : no fret-sprout (i.e. the neck does not shrink when the air gets dry in the winter months > the fret ends do not start to protrude out of the fingerboard), it simply does not move one iota. I'm a happy camper and the extra cost was well worth it for me !
Here we could have a Danish guy with a German neck and an American body 🙂 🙂
Aaron, we all know you love free guitars - who doesn't? - so could you guys make a video of you actually picking out woods and parts and putting a guitar together step by step? I'd like to see the entire pricess from a piece of wood to a finished guitar 🙂
Beautiful guitar. I can't take my eyes off it.
I too heard a very small increase in high frequencies with the roasted maple neck. But again, it was very subtle, so other preferences such as color, price, feel, cosmetics, should probably take precedence over this very small difference.
I really like to hear that roasted maple finished vs unfinished comparison!
I heard precisely...........zero difference in this test, at least trough YT sound compression.
In the past, the biggest sound difference in these Warmoth tests i heard, came from the neck thickness test, but most surprising to me, the fingerboard material test, which made a more drastic difference than i was expecting.
I heard a bit of difference and also have a Warmoth roasted maple super flamed too on a complete Warmoth tele build. Since I’m not able to do the test personally I’ll probably never know for certain. Luv your demos and looking forward to any build project.
I’m actually shocked that I could hear a slight, slight difference. The Roasted Maple seemed to have a bit more “clarity” in its fundamental, and the underlying harmonics. That seemed to be true across all gain levels?
The fact that you can have a stable neck that is unfinished, is a HUGE bonus. My next project will have a Roasted Maple neck…
I have always used Warmoth Necks ONLY. ABSOLUTELY THE BEST.
You do a good job with these. I could hear the slight extra brightness of the roasted neck, mainly in the cleaner tones. You might consider organizing things more in terms of gain levels. I saw a Rick Beato video that compared gauges of strings, and it was quite apparent there that gain levels really affect how the underlying setup works.
Roasted maple FTW! You can definitely hear playing dynamics coming through in the tone.
big difference! regular is very clear, bell-like and "talky" - no place to hide. roasted adds a huge blanket of mids to the tone and takes off extreme high end and maybe some of the lows too, perfect for a player like me who doesn't want every nuance heard. roasted is the one i'd go for...
Exactly what I heard also
200 to 400k range? i can't hear that high.
i just ordered a roasted replacement neck for my strat - can't wait.
great videos!
Love the videos Aaron!
Please do a comparison of the same unfinished vs finished body. It'd blow up the internet (or at least the gear page)...
For the finish, you could always test a roasted neck against itself, before and after being finished. Thanks for the vids!
Unfortunately roasting doesn't work that way. The lumber gets roasted before you cut the neck.
@@warmoth Sorry, I mean testing the same neck; once before and once after applying the finish (finish being lacquer, not completed). Cheers!
Great video demonstration Aaron. IMO the roasted maple sounded brighter, slightly more distinct.
Seems to me like the Roasted Maple is more harmonically rich than the regular maple.
Two or three years ago I bought a roasted maple neck from Warmoth for a Telicaster project. I went with the stainless steel fret wire, and I had a nitrocellulose finish put on it, along with the ebony compensating nut.
I put this on a homemade telicaster I found in the trash at an acquaintance house who said that he made the guitar in high school in his father's cabinet shop. He was throwing it out because he thought it was a piece of shit.
So I took it home just to see if it evan would work. And wouldn't you know , it was a player, with a bad neck.
But still a player.
I put the new neck on it along with a Babicz bridge and some scholler short locking tuning machines on it.
It's my go to guitar.
I actually prefer it over my American delux stratocaster with all of its bells and whistles. It just has a tone and playability that I prefer.
Love these tone test videos.
Great comparison! Thanks for the effort put into this video. Listening here through a bi-amped system with a crossover at 200hz. It sounds like the roasted maple neck samples have more immediate attack and a focused tone in the upper mids. The regular maple neck seems to spread the harmonic content more evenly, which sounds like a boost in the low mids with a less pronounced string attack on single notes by comparison. It must be the color of the nut! (just kidding =)
as a novice this is something i always wondered, thanks for the great scientific methodology in your comparisons unlike everybody else lol
Very subtle, almost imperceptible differing sound. I love the look of roasted maple necks.
I definitely hear a difference, but hard to put into words. Depending on the effects and overdrive, sometimgs I prefer maple and other times roasted.
I did hear about more high end on the roasted maple but it's too subtle to fuss about. I just go with what I like the look of, and what I ended up getting from Warmoth last year was a 24 fret roasted maple neck with a gloss finish. That along with the soloist body that I modified to make more suitable for 24 frets are on hold at the moment though. I have to wait until the spring to finish painting the body, but the neck is beautiful. It should do just fine in our strange Canadian seasons.
Question though: Will Warmoth make a body that accommodates 24 fret necks? Even with the contour options, the Soloist body looked impossible to play up on those high frets so I had to modify the lower cutaway and horn quite dramatically.
I sence more attack and brightness in the roasted.
I hear totally opposite man jejeje
wow this was a great comparison! It seems regular maple is slightly warmer while roasted maple has slightly more clarity. To my ears. :)
I stuck my neck in the oven to roast it. I guess I should have taken the tuners off because they changed color. The binding is all messed up too. Heck it sounds so roasted now though. So worth the sacrifices. It sounds amazing
light is like an open door, and a dark door is not closed
I got a roasted maple baritone neck from you and it’s the best baritone neck I’ve ever played. So stable
I have a warmoth fat 59 strat neck /body for over 15 yrs now, excellent quality
thanks for this video. Assuming everything is the same, other than the necks…. What really stood out to me, watching on an old iPhone… the rhythm sounded much better on the roasted neck, due to the slight nasal character. It is very desirable and classic. However, the more distorted sounds are hard to discern the difference. Maybe, the cleans are slightly more even on the natural. ? That could just be a difference caused by other things? So I’m probably leaning towards the roasted, since it has other desirable properties. It would be interesting to see more of these, with other woods, and especially, other types of guitars & pickups. Likely, there is a sweet spot for each guitar style or pickup style, and sound/genre. For example, does a snappier wood sound better with twangy style pickups on a tele? Does a rounded buttery wood work better with hum buckers, for soloing? I’m sure there’s somebody, a luthier, who already knows this.
Maybe slightly more "air" with the roasted, but very subtle.
Yes to my ear it breaks up the hard glassy dynamics of a typical maple neck, just a bit. This is part of the reason why a light swamp ash body works so well with a maple neck, the airiness of the body wood tone compensates for the hardness of the maple neck when you pair them together.
06:05 I heard about as much different between the two necks as you could possibly hear between two necks of same wood. Every piece of wood is different and no doubt, you could put 5 maple necks side by side with each other & you would get a similar variance in tone to what you experienced here. I experienced similar tonal experience to you with the differences.