I absolutely hate the sentiment of gatekeeping information because there are bad actors. Keeping such information secret helps no one. Bad actors are always there and the only way to find them is by looking for them, questioning achievements (by everyone) and double checking suspicous activity. Additionally throwing bad actors "easy" targets makes exposing them easier.
The thing is, withholding partial difficult low-input-strats raises the barrier for entry of these bad actors considerably. Especially since these strats are incomplete and generally unfeasible for humans to execute with any consistency, they aren't of any use to anyone except the bad actors. And so, in this very specific case, withholding this information is effectively inconsequential. The general sentiment is right though, this is just a rather unfortunate unique case. Setting up honeypot easy targets only catches the idiots who wouldn't have tried it if not for the partial strats being available. (e.g. Sinon only needed to not have posted that cam3 recording to not get caught.)
What's the point of concealing strats just because a cheater might use it? It's like when teachers punish a whole class because of one misbehaving child; the misbehaving child keeps misbehaving, while everyone else suffers for it. There's always going to be cheaters in games, but the vast majority of players are honest. Communities are supposed to help each other and foster competition, but concealing strats does neither. A community that isn't open with each other can hardly be called a community at all.
It’s incredible how skilled you have become making Trackmania documentaries in such a short amount of time. I would go as far and say that you might even be the best documentary maker.
Goes to show that the best story tellers are the ones who have experienced it themselves. You seem like an absolute genius figuring these out and are a god send to the kacky participators. Especially for those rng maps, absolute legendary status xD.
You should create an audio track that could be played alongside the map with beeps at consistent timings just before the inputs are needed. maybe 350-500ms before? The sound cues would likely be REALLY helpful.
I never thought I'd be as interested as I was watching a video on such a simple yet intriguing premise in our favorite racing game. The presentation was spot on, and I found myself deeply engaged way more than I'd have ever anticipated. Excellent video man! You've earned a new sub, and I hope from others many more.
this video just randomly popped up in my side bar and I gotta say the first minute already reminded me of how I clicked on a wirtual video the first time, I think you can make it high up.
Loved the vid. Happy to see somebody taking over the TM documentary torch since Wirtual only rarely posts those these days :) Here's to your 1M subs in a year or two! :)
Incredible documentary, great work put behind it, you can really tell thet youve got passion for both trackmania and youtube! Hope to see you make it far!
I never put more than an hour into trackmania, but over the past year I've watched many many hours of Wirtual playing it. Tried some other content creators in trackmania and wasn't interested. BettaTM is the first trackmania player to make youtube content I enjoy equally to Wirtual. Great video! I was interested and engaged watching it.
WOW! No wonder this quality seemed familiar. Only when you showed your previous video as a pop up at the end did I realize I've watched you before. Stellar quality, I'll subscribe for future content like this one. 👍
Interesting video! You managed to drag us into the story and kept the viewer entertained through out the enitre video! Enjoyed listening along and made me fully watch it to the end. Amazing work Betta!
Holy shit dude, wirtual2 has been found but with MORE in-depth analysis and concrete examples! Happy this vid found its way to my front page, well deserved +1 sub :)
"This came as a conplete shock, as no one in their right mind had though that four (frame perfect) inputs would ever be done by a human" gd players: hold my orange juice
@@richardli4038 W guy might make profit with the second channel but he still puts out good content when he wants (kinda), its more passion towards the game than anything. Also its not with gameplay videos that youll stand out so making it with TM must mean long form videos like this, except if you stream.
@@Arcsinx The best proof of what you're saying is looking at subscribers of his documentary and gameplay channel - the first one has twice as many as the second.
this should also be an appreciation post on how much the devs thought out about future-proofing all sorts of verification and replicability into the game so long ago
GG! Sick video! I eventually figured you were making a video out of it, hence not posting the clip yet hahaha
Год назад+2
Leaving this comment here for me to try to estimate the actual timings of the inputs at 23:03 later (although I don't find such achievement very plausible). 60fps setting. Note: this comment is obsolete because they've already found the timings of the imputs. 23:03, frame 44: start of race (0.00) 23:07, frame 19: earliest spotted instance of the right key being pressed (3.566 to 3.583 [from start of second: 0.316 to 0.333], thus 3.57 or 3.58) Note: frames 17 to 18 had the same distance time-wise between them than to frames 18 & 19 (so 1.667), so I assume the right press was made likely at 3.58. Conclusion: likely, 3.58 right press. 23:07, frame 35: earliest spotted instance of the right key being released (3.816 to 3.833 [from start of second: 0.566 to 0.583], thus 3.82 or 3.83). Note: frames 33 to 34 had the same distance time-wise between them than to frames 34 & 35 (so 1.667). Conclusion: likely, 3.83 right release. Airbreak (unfinished): estimated 23:09, frame 41 (5.933 to 5.950).
i think it's worth mentioning how someone won Cup of the night using a low input strat, he'd found a perfect turn angle that could be held from the start that would result in a fast time on a track very hard to do consistently. track was called "deterministic deep dip." Would that be a zero input Strat?
@@natentequechuor738 Can't say it's unlikely, but there are other methods of ensuring the input value is correct - there are plugins which display percentage of input value, and such accuracy is usually enough (for example on bobsleigh)
I’d like to point out that the #1 demon in geometry dash, Acheron, has 63 frame perfects at 60fps and 8 frame perfects at 120fps. It’s been beaten by 5 people
these “consistent” low input strats are really interesting. as someone who doesn’t play trackmania but plays celeste, where top players do arcane rituals to set up subpixel positioning to clear a room consistently for deathless challenges (or for less skilled players to cheese a room), the low input strats in trackmania feel a little bit similar of course, the strats found in trackmania often require hitting an input timing less than 1 celeste frame, which is a little bit harder lol
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Fun fact: All b-roll shots in this video are on Kacky tracks which have had low-input strats discovered.
Stunning
b-roll?
B-roll is all the extra like scenery shots not necessarily main part of the video
can you explain how the failed run had the exact same 8 inputs of the wr, when the game is detrministic? im confused.
@@thegamer97HS probably wrong timing
Almost makes me stop missing Wirtual's documentaries. This was such a fun watch!
Wdym missing
@@fjapshe barely uploads
@@Oscwal Yeah he kinda stopped after being exposed for cheating after the release of Midori.
@@Dalroc what? I don’t think you understood that situation correctly…
@@Dalroc excuse me, what?
I absolutely hate the sentiment of gatekeeping information because there are bad actors.
Keeping such information secret helps no one. Bad actors are always there and the only way to find them is by looking for them, questioning achievements (by everyone) and double checking suspicous activity.
Additionally throwing bad actors "easy" targets makes exposing them easier.
Yes. That way way of thinking is always harmful to everyone, and nobody should be like that.
I agree
The thing is, withholding partial difficult low-input-strats raises the barrier for entry of these bad actors considerably. Especially since these strats are incomplete and generally unfeasible for humans to execute with any consistency, they aren't of any use to anyone except the bad actors.
And so, in this very specific case, withholding this information is effectively inconsequential.
The general sentiment is right though, this is just a rather unfortunate unique case.
Setting up honeypot easy targets only catches the idiots who wouldn't have tried it if not for the partial strats being available. (e.g. Sinon only needed to not have posted that cam3 recording to not get caught.)
What's the point of concealing strats just because a cheater might use it? It's like when teachers punish a whole class because of one misbehaving child; the misbehaving child keeps misbehaving, while everyone else suffers for it. There's always going to be cheaters in games, but the vast majority of players are honest. Communities are supposed to help each other and foster competition, but concealing strats does neither. A community that isn't open with each other can hardly be called a community at all.
Fun fact: All b-roll shots in this video are on Kacky tracks which have had low-input strats discovered.
That my friend is an insane video, outstanding storytelling and very good editing!
It’s incredible how skilled you have become making Trackmania documentaries in such a short amount of time. I would go as far and say that you might even be the best documentary maker.
i am stunned as well
Bro forgot about Wirtual
Welllllllll... let's say second best
aight calm down guy this is his 2nd docu, quit fishing for likes and validation
@@badmanw same
I have not heard of you before but your narration and story building is excellent. Look forward to more videos.
Goes to show that the best story tellers are the ones who have experienced it themselves. You seem like an absolute genius figuring these out and are a god send to the kacky participators. Especially for those rng maps, absolute legendary status xD.
You should create an audio track that could be played alongside the map with beeps at consistent timings just before the inputs are needed. maybe 350-500ms before? The sound cues would likely be REALLY helpful.
I could try when i get home, if you reply to this reply in a week i remember
@@jorishenger1240I'm slightly late
@@romeolz ty, ill do my best
@@jorishenger1240how’s it coming?
@@Error-ys5qj fuck i forgor
I never thought I'd be as interested as I was watching a video on such a simple yet intriguing premise in our favorite racing game. The presentation was spot on, and I found myself deeply engaged way more than I'd have ever anticipated. Excellent video man! You've earned a new sub, and I hope from others many more.
Awesome video, would be really cool to see more documentaries from you!
your storytelling is amazing, keep on doing these types of videos and you'll go very far my man
this video just randomly popped up in my side bar and I gotta say the first minute already reminded me of how I clicked on a wirtual video the first time, I think you can make it high up.
Loved the vid. Happy to see somebody taking over the TM documentary torch since Wirtual only rarely posts those these days :) Here's to your 1M subs in a year or two! :)
Incredible documentary, great work put behind it, you can really tell thet youve got passion for both trackmania and youtube! Hope to see you make it far!
bro is the next wirtual
Yep
I never put more than an hour into trackmania, but over the past year I've watched many many hours of Wirtual playing it. Tried some other content creators in trackmania and wasn't interested. BettaTM is the first trackmania player to make youtube content I enjoy equally to Wirtual. Great video! I was interested and engaged watching it.
Really refreshing video, I enjoyed every single bit of it. Also, great storytelling keep it up!
WOW! No wonder this quality seemed familiar. Only when you showed your previous video as a pop up at the end did I realize I've watched you before. Stellar quality, I'll subscribe for future content like this one. 👍
Great video and storytelling, would love to see more documentaries from you
What a gem! Subbed immediately! Looking forward to see more! Very good storytelling and editing!
Interesting video! You managed to drag us into the story and kept the viewer entertained through out the enitre video!
Enjoyed listening along and made me fully watch it to the end. Amazing work Betta!
this was so well made, wow, please keep it up
Betta, this is amazing and very much fun to watch, please keep doing it!
damn bro your past two videos have been really high quality, keep it up
We need more of this, what an incredible video
This was fantastic! What a well-made video. The music choice and your delivery were perfect.
This feels like watching the start of something more. Keep it up man!
Holy shit dude, wirtual2 has been found but with MORE in-depth analysis and concrete examples! Happy this vid found its way to my front page, well deserved +1 sub :)
This channel going to the moon
Incredible video, the pacing, excitement, it was interesting the whole way through... Keep it up!
Love the video man, just came from the cheese police video and really enjoyed this video too. Hoping you make more 🙏
Okay, here we go!!! Great content. Excited to see more from you
Amazing video! Keep it up, been longing for this type of content.
This video easily fits up there with Wirtal and Maximum’s videos! I can’t wait to see what you will make next!
Bro. Day by day your videos are getting better, day by day i want to support you more
Top of my RUclips front page and I thought you were wirtual. Good job!
the drop at 5:28 was insane
you truely "get" how to make fascinating videos!
Gave me shivers... the fact it was personal made it so much more meaningful! Congrats mate!
Your videos are getting better and better good job!
Such a good watch! Very well done!
Very nice video about something i never heard of even tho im quite involved in the trackmania community. Thank you for this video!
excellent video! i hope you grow as a content creator, the production quality was absolutely amazing. enjoyed every second, props to you.
this video is so good I hope to see more of these in the future!
I can't believe my eyes, you are an absolute legend dude. This game will never stop to amaze me!
That video 100% deserves a sub. Thanks for taking the time to share!
cool to see my event featured in the video! awesome work as always
Really enjoy your videos. Hope to see more of them
This is some Wirtual-level documentary video. Thank you so much, this was a great watch!
insane vibe with this video man. super high quality! easiest subscription ever
It's kinda insane that with low input strats keyboard became in some way better than analog devices and may become prefered input device for kacky.
"This came as a conplete shock, as no one in their right mind had though that four (frame perfect) inputs would ever be done by a human" gd players: hold my orange juice
At 1:06 is where Simoo in one of your videos won the kacky 3 times I’m a FAN
i dont understand how underrated you are
glad you mendtioned ILU , very nice video , ive been waiting to see that -150 run for quite a while :D
Always a pleasure to watch your videos!
he finally revealed it…
I’m so proud of you Betta guy
time to turn on them cheats heh ?!
@@ramdoula506 NONONONONONO
NOT THE SINON INCIDENT AGAIN PLEASE
@@PugCuber hehehe
you've become my favorite tm youtuber because u have interesting topics and overall the editing and story is good🙂
I only play TM2020 and have never played TMNF, but I gotta say, your videos are very well put together and very enjoyable. Keep doing it!
This is what we need, more long format videos like this is so good for trackmania as a whole like W guy showed.
W>L stopped bc the effort to profit ratio too high
@@richardli4038 W guy might make profit with the second channel but he still puts out good content when he wants (kinda), its more passion towards the game than anything. Also its not with gameplay videos that youll stand out so making it with TM must mean long form videos like this, except if you stream.
@@richardli4038 Wguy stopped because he forgot his password. He has already found it and seems to be back to releasing them monthly
@@Arcsinx The best proof of what you're saying is looking at subscribers of his documentary and gameplay channel - the first one has twice as many as the second.
I thoghut u were wirtual.. LOL ur so good at storytelling! you has earned my sub! I'm looking foward to watch more viedos by you!
man that was a killer intro, got me hooked lol
Insane video, explanations are perfect and we can hear your passion for the game
this is AWESOME! keep it up bro, great work
Fantastic video! Glad to see more rising creators from the TM community.
amazing video bro. Glad i discovered your channel!
Amazing storytelling on the vid and congrats on the accomplishment!
this should also be an appreciation post on how much the devs thought out about future-proofing all sorts of verification and replicability into the game so long ago
Amazing production :) keep it up !
Great video and awesome work finding these strats!
Really Great Documentary !
At 11:48 it Saïd Simo the greatest kacky player of all time because he won 3 kacky championships
Very great video and some truly wise words. Thank you for sharing your achievements and thoughts!
GG! Sick video!
I eventually figured you were making a video out of it, hence not posting the clip yet hahaha
Leaving this comment here for me to try to estimate the actual timings of the inputs at 23:03 later (although I don't find such achievement very plausible).
60fps setting.
Note: this comment is obsolete because they've already found the timings of the imputs.
23:03, frame 44: start of race (0.00)
23:07, frame 19: earliest spotted instance of the right key being pressed (3.566 to 3.583 [from start of second: 0.316 to 0.333], thus 3.57 or 3.58)
Note: frames 17 to 18 had the same distance time-wise between them than to frames 18 & 19 (so 1.667), so I assume the right press was made likely at 3.58.
Conclusion: likely, 3.58 right press.
23:07, frame 35: earliest spotted instance of the right key being released (3.816 to 3.833 [from start of second: 0.566 to 0.583], thus 3.82 or 3.83).
Note: frames 33 to 34 had the same distance time-wise between them than to frames 34 & 35 (so 1.667).
Conclusion: likely, 3.83 right release.
Airbreak (unfinished): estimated 23:09, frame 41 (5.933 to 5.950).
if you keep making great content like this one will eventually go viral
Amazing video, looking forward for more
absolutely great video, keep it up man
really enjoyed to hear the storys behind this kinda starts - didnt even know they existed before!
Love this and the last video you put out! Hope to see more soon.
Are you the new and improved Wirtual? Amazing vid! Congrats mate! I hope we'll see more of these!
amazing vid once again please keep doing these
cheating sucks - but the 99% shouldn't be punished for the actions of the 1% - sick video bud - liked and subbed
sick vid, keep up the good work!!
I love this trackmania stories! This videos make me try to be part of the game "history" somehow
You should have more subs! Really great video!
that NickName guy is insane. great video!!
Excellent video. Pressing both keys at once with one finger is a really smart start for ubers
This was really well put together
great job mate, keep it up!
Amazing, enjoyable content! Keep it up.
i think it's worth mentioning how someone won Cup of the night using a low input strat, he'd found a perfect turn angle that could be held from the start that would result in a fast time on a track very hard to do consistently. track was called "deterministic deep dip." Would that be a zero input Strat?
what about a low input strat on that ice pinball map xdd
Didn't they put some books against their controller to ensure the angle would be consistent ?
@@natentequechuor738 Can't say it's unlikely, but there are other methods of ensuring the input value is correct - there are plugins which display percentage of input value, and such accuracy is usually enough (for example on bobsleigh)
I’d like to point out that the #1 demon in geometry dash, Acheron, has 63 frame perfects at 60fps and 8 frame perfects at 120fps. It’s been beaten by 5 people
I was thinking the same thing, gd players be crazy when it comes to frame perfects
geometry dash runs at 60 inputs per second but trackmania is 100 inputs per second
Summoning salt of TM can't change my mind
ofc u found input start on almost all my ilu map xdd ggs tho amazing video
these “consistent” low input strats are really interesting. as someone who doesn’t play trackmania but plays celeste, where top players do arcane rituals to set up subpixel positioning to clear a room consistently for deathless challenges (or for less skilled players to cheese a room), the low input strats in trackmania feel a little bit similar
of course, the strats found in trackmania often require hitting an input timing less than 1 celeste frame, which is a little bit harder lol
such a good vid, excited to see new videos :D
That was 8min of the best intro ever
I actually used this low input ( 5:35 ) during the first days of kacky. Neat