How To Fix Your Focus & Stop Procrastinating: Johann Hari | E114
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- This weeks episode entitled 'How To Fix Your Focus & Stop Procrastinating: Johann Hari' topics:
0:00 Intro
02:43 Why did you write about focus
14:22 What is the cost of losing our attention?
22:09 Social Media and the part it plays
32:41 Flow States
36:19 What is the harm of interruption?
41:02 The lack of sleep we all seem to be getting
53:54 The importance of reading physical books
01:00:17 Negativity bias
01:05:07 Angry humans in an angry machine
01:13:41 Is there hope?
01:27:35 Food is messing up our focus
01:33:02 Our last guests question
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Johann always blows me away with his stories and knowledge 🤯…. Could I ask you to do me a favour and hit the like and subscribe button, helps this podcast massively - thank you all x
Suscribed and yes totally agree Johann is fab, his knowledge and intellect is awesome
This could not be more topical to me! I I was shocked to see my screen time over the last week and my god it exemplifies why I’ve went from successful to on benefits. I love Johann and his book on depression but I can’t wait to get into this book.
This is life changing!
Steven - this podcast is just amazing. Thank you!
This was so important for me to listen to. I never realised this was a pattern in my life. I own a business where I create dip powders for women to use on their nails. I always avoid creating colours when I am tired because I don’t feel I produce my best work. But when I decide I am making colours that is all I do on that day because I value my flow state. I never realised I do this until I listened to this podcast today. Thank you so much 🙏🏽
P.s one thing that helps me is putting on a podcast that is a few hours long so that I feel I am not missing out on my phone. But because I am listening to something I don’t look at my phone and it helps me work in a continued flow👌🏾
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My phone is always on silent, no vibrate no alerts. 3 people know if they were to call me my phone will ring. All other numbers are silent. I deleted Facebook 10 years ago and that was a game changer for my family and business. No TikTok, no Snapchat and no IG. I actually walk my dog and notice the new leaves on a tree growing in Spring. We now spend more time outside riding bikes and roller blading. Our cell phones go in the room and stay there till morning, we never look at them. What’s changed? I’m happy, we’re happy. 😁
Ahh. Just like me! Totally addicted to RUclips 😵💫
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How did you manage to wach this?
@@sidickomarconscious and scheduled youtube consumption, watching on the PC
I deleted fb 10 years ago and it changed my life too… never looked back.. no instagram no twitter.. they are the boasting ..self absorbing ‘look at me ‘look at me platforms.. RUclips is NOT like this.. also I ditched a smartphone 6 yrs ago ( have an old school Nokia) and my life is soooo much more wholesome … it’s the way forward to contentment .. it’s the way to protect your mental health .. oh if you’re wondering anybody ..I’m watching this on a iPad that I keep at home and nowt else!
Impressive how he can recall all the proffessors names locations e.g with so much ease - - just wow -- what a memory
I was totally in awe of that too because my memory is terrible. However, how many of us bother to check that he got it all right (no one, I'd wager). The trick is to sound confident but I'm sure he did get it right because if he was unsure the interview would have been easily edited.
@littlemisssunshine2931 I can almost guarantee they will be spot on ...why?
Johann was a rising star in serious journalism with a regular broadsheet column , he had recently won one of the most well regarded prizes in journalism ,one that had George Orwells name attached when it was discovered he had plagarised other people's work , cut and pasted material claiming it as his.
Johanns worst enemy seems to be his ability to get a bit carried away .
He disappeared for a good while but has made a marvellous come back with such important contributions to popular journalism His sometimes laboured referencing of anyones work not his own is understandable but i think he could ease up a bit now . We get it johann and we love ya mate
He is so immersed in the subject. Its amazing and fascinating 👏
It’s his job.
Impressive how he quickly checks his notes while Bartlett is speaking, knowing that the camera would be on Bartlett. Of course he has to anticipate exactly which bullet point to check, based on what Bartlett is saying at any point.
1hr and 40 minutes of two exceptional people talking about a wonderfully important (albeit potential unpopular) topic. Almost every day, both Johann Hari & Steven Bartlett
add enormous value into my life. In a world where many mainstream journalists are emphatically adding to the fear and loathing of life across societies, Johann will always remind me that authentic, meaningful journalism does still exist, it’s just unfortunately less commonplace. Thank you Steven and Johann, this podcast is probably more important than 99% of people might realise.
thank you richard 🙏🏽
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I stopped watching @ 27:13 to walk to my local library to find a hard copy of this geniuses book and on my way I looked around me, at the world I lived in, looked at the use of technology replacing human interaction, and my heart sank. I felt lost and alone around a thousand people who wouldn’t look up unless to move around me. I don’t think any young persons perception of the future is clear, but as a 23 year old college student just starting out in the big “real” world in this day and age, I stood outside the library wondering, feeling my phone going off in my pocket, just wondering where I’ll be years from that moment. Where will our continuously advancing world take me? What would my children’s lives be like if this focus problem is only starting to be realized? Will there even be physical libraries or would the one I’m standing outside of right now be turned into an exhibit that only existed in virtual reality tours that showed what was, hasn’t been, and never will be again, so my great grand kids could look at the building standing still with next Gen XR Glasses in amazement for only seconds just as I would and did at my grandfathers first typewriter? Scary.
i once forgot my phone at home...i thought uh oh, i felt a bit naked and lost...then I got on the train...looked around...went to work as normal and the whole day i wasn't checking for messages or answering phone calls seeing which agent had gotten me a job...utter peace. And I am not even addicted to my phone as much as others. I also remember going to Iceland with my sister marvelling at the geysers...we were taking photos of when the hot geothermic water would shoot into the sky...but because i had a camera stuck to my face....i didn't experience it...or i experienced it with a filter over the top. So we decided to put our camera down and when the water shot up again....it just felt amazing and I could share the euphoria and release with the crowd. I love listening to Mr.Hari's wisdom.
I just finished reading Stolen Focus and I am delighted to see Steven that you interviewed Johann. It is an amazing book. I love the amount of ground the book covers regarding the ways our attention and ability to think is being robbed from us on so many fronts. I originally was looking for a book on ADHD and with Johann’s book I found so much more. It is scary it is happening and that attention problems aren’t just those of us with ADHD. We are all being torn apart mentally in ways we don’t even understand and could never have been prepared for. His book is an urgent message to us all and one we all need to get together and do something about.
I began watching this while working on some 'easier' tasks at work. I am 15 mins in and have paused it as Johann has already made me realise that anything I want to fully understand requires my full attention. I'll continue when I'm less busy, I can already see where I need to apply that level of distraction less focus in other areas of life.
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I'm 80. A widow. Live alone in a big city, no friends or family here. I'm not depressed, but I AM unfocussed. Can't read books and have to listen to audiobooks (they're brilliant !). Can't learn anything because I can't focus. Fortunately, I'm bright and there's already quite a lot of my head. Johann is becoming a kind of hero, in spite of the irony of finding him through the Internet ... I've read about his earlier period, so am not falsely hero-worshipping - just amazed by his ability to say things that are entirely meaningful. I'm hoping that my next stage is going to be developing the ability to use them.
You’re doing great! Hi from Siberia❤
@@galiagubanova1466 And hi to you in coooold country from Downunder, Galia ! :)
Between '82 and '97 , I was a 2nd grade teacher dealing with ADHD and Ritalin in my students. Born in 1955, I'm certain I had it before it was given a name. I'm certain thousands of abused children had it. I was brutally disciplined and learned to manage my behavior to avoid abuse. I still struggle with symptoms today. I have no doubt it's aggravated by emotional and environmental pollution
I hear you, I think it's a real thing but every letter in 'ADHD' seems an inaccurate description. I've noticed it's those neglected and/or put down and/or forced to fit into boxes that don't fit their nature who get labelled ADHD; even sporty types and creatives who are bored by a classroom setting, and they get shamed for it.
@@dancole2994 Actually, the vast majority of children are bored in class, so perhaps, like Ivan Illich suggested, schools are the problem.
That isn't to say that teachers aren't doing their job. It is the system that fails: classes should be smaller, there shouldnt be so much pressure at home (parents over here push children to study-they even have classes in the evening to learn what they werent able to learn in normal school hours), teachers are pushed to accomodate to burocracy, stupid laws, etc, they are not properly trained to deal with 25+ students per class (some of them with behavioural problems or disabilities or autistic...and the vast majority with a huge problem with lack of focus...) and they end up feeling stressed out, anxious...you name it. No one can be a good teacher in that environment. They also have to deal with pressures from authorities, parents...violent children...
So no one, even those who looked fine and did well at school, is free of what you point out.
RUclips suggested this channel to me. Is it because it’s proven to be ‘addictive’? Or is it because it’s proven to be good? Language is a powerful reframe. Optimising for what is good, entertaining, beautiful, delicious, moving...is a natural law simply mimicked by algorithms. Survival of the fittest. Can it be potentially harmful? Yes. Why? Because it leaves us at the mercy of our self discipline. And that’s tough. Incredibly tough. Maybe the most powerful thing is interviews like these, creating awareness around WHY we need to exercise discipline around social media. Just like creating awareness around why we need to exercise discipline around sugar...TV...sedentary modern lifestyles. We live in a world continually optimised for comfort and pleasure. Many of us enjoy incredible freedom and wealth. The most powerful lessons we need right now are around the value of discomfort and self discipline. Things that Jonathan and Steven have both embraced in order to build success in their respective fields.
Raise your kids with the INTRO alone.... AN asset to our land, Bless him. PLUS THE HOST 😉
Mind blown……..again! Thanks Steven, what a gift to the world Johann is and what a huge sense of gratitude I feel to you for curating such an incredible group of guests on your world-class podcast, it’s changing my life one episode at a time ❤️
Isn't he great! Amazing, thanks lisa
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One of the best intros in the history of DOAC so far, imo...
Johan is a great person! I believe every single word he said! So much passion, hearth and soul in his speeches.
Steve, thank you for such unbelievable guests!
"This is guaranteeing that you're missing out" - What a sudden and striking realisation. I'm guilty of it myself. I stand on my phone while my son plays and what Johann says here felt like a knife to the heart. I'm done with social media now.
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SUCH a valuable interview!! I feel like I just attended a university lecture. Was in a total FLOW when listening to him x
thanks anna 🙌🏽
@@TheDiaryOfACEO Pleasure. I shared on LinkedIn as well.
This has encouraged me to delete socials for a little while... long overdue but this has been the push I needed.
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Steven's point on 'books not having comment sections' is fantastic. It's also fascinating to think that users just copy the narrative denounced by whoever is top comment. I've never thought about this but frankly I'm not surprised. It holds congruent to philosopher Rene Girard's Mimetic Theory.
"“Man is the creature who does not know what to desire, and he turns to others in order to make up his mind. We desire what others desire because we imitate their desires.” - Rene Girard
Mimetic theory shows how disturbingly heard like people become in many different contexts. Mimetic imitation drives social groups in ways that are seemingly insane. It's the reason people crowd the same market stall when there are other stalls with no customers. It's the reason that everybody wears the same North Face puffer jacket. It's the reason everybody 'likes' the same top of the charts substandard musician.
In the case of what Steven is saying, it's the reason everybody follows the narrative of the top comment. It's because people don't know how to feel or what they desire to feel from his posts. They would rather imitate/support the consensus of the most upvoted top comments narrative.
This is comment is obviously rambling, but I do really find this point fascinating.
Johann changed my life and many of my clients with his book 'Lost Connections' 💗
Wow wow wow wow , I am stunned at this podcast, completely in awe at Johann’s knowledge and has truly changed my perspective on how I spend my time ✨
Dope, thanks katie
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This guy is brilliant. So little do I ever sit through and watch an entire podcast. But Johann has a way with telling stories in an incredibly captivating way. 10/10 podcast.
This episode deserves waaay more view! he is brilliant.thank you both I learned a lot ❤
This is the best interview I have ever listened to in my entire (not that long yet) life. Clear, simple, touching, thought provoking.
Whilst listening to this I've looked up cooking yorkshire pudding, cooked my lunch, washed the dishes, checked my phone 4 times, got my painting out, put it away. Doh! This is eye opening, pristine explanation of what is going on with me. A mere 5 generations ago we were in horse and carts. The flow state I get in when I paint is when I do my best work by far. I am switching my phone off more and more these days and feel better for it.
Johann Hari is one of my heroes.
19:17 WOW!!! This message stopped me in my tracks and made me realize I’m am on track to be like his godson if I don’t take action now… starting IMMEDIATELY I am making a change… I will be separating myself from this phone an hour at a time!!!! 🥳🥳🥳
This may be the best one on the channel
I’ve watched this after I read the book and it’s been worth having the key messages reinforced in this interview. READ THE BOOK. The clarity with which Hari describes the symptoms I’ve been feeling creep and grow in myself and in society around me was reassuring but has also helped me see that the change required is systemic and needs cooperation. He doesn’t mention here but in the book he lists groups and movements which are fighting the good fight on a number of fronts. Worth joining in and supporting l. I don’t mean that in some kind of socialist worker style rally or fight the power bullshit way but conscious rebuttal is needed from folk otherwise we are sleepwalking into a horrible future. Well done Johann 👏🏽
Good comment . You might be interested in what @bobhary9832 wrote here….
This interview was so on time! Johann pointed out so many important and relevant points which I thought were just my own problems when in fact they're proven problems. Like the cost of switching between tasks. Such a relief to know it's not my own shortcoming in simply our brains not being wired for it!
I felt the same way reading his last book 'Lost Connections'. It helps so much to no longer see these problems as personal shortcomings.
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I hope Johann Hari goes down in history for this. Sad that Steven Bartlett doesn't believe in change of the business model of attention theft, but glad that Johann was ready with an example of how things really can change. They have changed before and they will change again. Years ago nobody could believe that the next generation would drastically reduce drinking and smoking, or that smoking would be banned indoors. Plenty things have happened.
Attention is also needed to avoid accidents. Just thinking about a story i read today about a lorry driver ploughing into cars on a motorway killing 3 people because he was on the phone looking at dating sites. If we aren't focused on what we are doing, we aren't doing our jobs. just wanna say i can't understand why you haven't got 5million or more subscribers...feels like i stumbled onto something special.
I could listen to Johann talk all day, such a wealth of knowledge and great information.
Very intelligent and well articulated man
His books are my favorite from the last 10 years, his topics and the way he approach them is so powerful, he definitely changed the way I see things in life. Can`t wait to see him on the 2nd of June in Cluj-Napoca. Thank you so much for having him invited!
I have been blessed with very kind, loving, disciplined, good natured, hard working 15 year old twin sons, but of late and probably with lockdowns not helping, they have been using social media way more than I would like! I have given them the whole speech about algorithms, data harvesting and social credit systems blah blah, blah! Anyway I asked them today to put their phone down and watch this episode with me. When they saw it was 1.38 one started bargaining to chop it down and watch it in bits, well I agreed 🤫 well we all put the phones down. They watched the lot 🤨 Then deleted tic Tok! Luckily FB is for old people and they only browse Insta, so with help of you guys, I hope I have reeled them back in just in time 🤞🏽They as with so many kids, have real potential but their focus is constantly being sabotaged. I wish more parents would take time to sit and watch this with their kids. So I am sending big love and a Thank you for this episode 🙏🏽 ……… justification that Mum ain’t always talking waz 🤣
you have no idea how I am grateful for this conversation .I wish everyone can see this
So good to hear! Thanks Dilini
This is such a powerful discussion as it really gets to the crux of the question… what type of society do we want
guy is very good at describing the problem
This came right when i needed it, im getting off this shitty drug. No more wasting my life on the internet. Got to get my life back💯
My son is 33 and introduced me to you! Wow, you truely cover everything that all human beings could use to heal and grow. Thankyou Johann. Humanity needs your methods in true life education to grow and continue to exist. 🙏 Namaste
Wow one of the best podcasts. So on point
The talk on sleep brought me back to my younger years. The abuse I put my mind and body through with lack of sleep, poor sleep consistency, and poor nutrition is shocking. I used to work third shift, then go to university courses, then take care of the children after childcare, then back to work third shift again, then finally sleep around 8am to around 2-3 in the afternoon to pick up the kids. The long stretches were awake for 36+ hours straight. Thank goodness it was only a temporary schedule for a year. Took a toll nonetheless
I agree completely that focus is one of the most powerful tools that if someone manage to acquire, they become unstoppable. Because when you are present at the moment nearly 💯 percent, you can grab any concepts really faster, learn faster, do better and effect more profoundly.
In my opinion internet is incredible and is really useful, but we have to learn how to spend our time in it and don't allow unimportant and irrelevant contents in internet spoil our life and take our time from our control.
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As a parent with 3 young adults this message is so important , another amazing guest
thank you andrew 🙌🏽
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This video is just great. It's been like attending a class at university and leaving feeling that you actually learned something important about a subject we should all be studying or --at least-- be aware of.
When Johann was telling the Jungle room story I literally screamed out of frustration
Damn man, I’m jealous of the cabin in the Swiss alps. That speaks to my soul like nothing else
The way Johann articulates his views, I could listen to him over and over again. Such a great guest.
Steve, you did well on this one.
He’s fantastic isn’t he!
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Whenever my attention starts going more and more to my phone/social media I get to a point where I think "right, enough is enough, I need to stop this, I need to be stronger, I need to effectively beat the system" and it is always something I seem to put back on myself with "I'm too weak, or my attention span is too short" this is the first thing I've heard that has taken it away and put it back on these screens/devices and apps that are designed knowingly to invade our attention. I really really needed to hear this
Hey Steven, c'mon man. I keep searching for people I find in other places and constantly you're popping up at the top. It's incredible. Do you have everyone on your podcast? I just can't keep the pace. I want to listen to everything, but you're on a roll. Congrats on the work!
Johan harri is a great man
Thank you, Johann Hari. I just turned off recommendations off in my RUclips settings. This is a positive start.
Johann is my favourite of all guests. The depth and passion he puts into his work is just amazing. Can't wait to read this book!
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Love the way he so easily explains and conveys his message. I love it when people drop studies and quotes so easily into conversation shows how in depth they know what they are speaking about.
Curating a positive social media feed is amazing, very conscious about shaping the way my son consumes media as a baby.
From now on I'm gonna write Love and Peace at the end of every comment. Start crowding out negative connotations from this algorithm. Like Mo said, the top of humanity gotta start showing up and acting in ways that will counteract the scum section. Not easy but not impossible. I've always believed being kind outruns evil energy, and although at times I get discouraged, the world needs people to CHOOSE to be KIND (not nice) if we truly wanna live in a good world. Loving this channel, well done. Now will it distract me or not? I should be studying and here I am watching your videos. lol, keep it up. Love and Peace.
My goodness when he brought up that HP study, that was very eye opening. Imagine how much could be produced if we all had a singular focus for a time blocked segment of the day.
Excellent 👌🏻 Greetings from Scotland 😊 Have a wonderful day everyone 🌻
👋🏽 greetings
Sorry... I'll say the obvious! He had my attention for the whole of the podcast!!! So many lessons needed to hear this... Hope it unlocks something in me to better understand the world around me and the influences on my family
Great to hear that richard 🙌🏽
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@@eigbiremolenstanley6331 I'm fine mate, this was about attention not relationships
If I recall, there were similar studies with similar results done on the effects of TV back in the day!
Even in the workplace we have to switch between multiple tasks all the time. Emails, Teams calls, Team chats from individuals and groups, notifications from channels. Constant...all day....so hard to focus on any one thing. It's so easy to make mistakes and also get overwhelmed with workload.
Absolutely love these podcasts!
I love all the metaphors Johan uses. Thank you both xx
Brilliant! Thank you guys for keeping us informed and educating us.
So good. Just finished Chasing The Scream. Its so interesting.
Great episode….from a nearly 66 woman trying to keep up. Thank you. 😀
This has to be one of the best you’ve done 👏🏽 thank you Steven & Johann!
This was one of the most interesting of these podcasts, out of so many. I'm going to watch this one again definitely.
no exaggeration this episode has changed my life, the way I see the world can never be the same. great guest didn't miss one second.
This particular interview was just awesome, helped me a lot! Thank you!
Politics aside - I agree that the change needs to come from the ground up. I think everyone needs to recognise what is going on. Fascinating talk thank you...I'm getting the book 👍🏻
Excellent discussion!!!!! 👏👏👏 Thank you!
Although I live in Manchester, I have only just found out about Steven. Great inspiration for many and he has a great really voice and beautiful brain. 👍👍
I totally agree an change in myself needs to take place to enable to focus on necessary tasks more in tern the more people that do the more productive a country we will be.
Inspired everytime Johann. Thank You. Really fantastic work.
20 minutes in and im blown away
I just love love love Johann always learn so much from him and it’s mind blowing. Big fan!!
Thank you both for such a valuable episode. Our phones have become an addiction for many of us without us being consciously aware of why it occurred. This discussion educates us as to why this has happened.
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What an amazing episode, thank you all.
I have been thinking for months of deleting my social media, and now I have the push I need. I do actually struggle to focus and I also feel like I don’t want to participate in the rage train that’s going on. No thank you, I choose peace.
Johann is amazing!! Thank you for having him on again ❤
Thanks for this, another book to order!!
So much for me to ponder on,
I really appreciate his inteligence, dry humour and honesty.
Absolutely 💯. Spot on. Johann Hari is the David Attenborough of the brain and what's going wrong in todays society. He's giving us all the answers. I really hope more people start listening. Thank you Steven and thank you Johann.
thank you S P 🙏🏽
Another wonderful podcast. Johann is very engaging. Thank you Steven and Johann!
thanks paul!
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Great podcast, really insightful content. Smart watches are the new scourge on our attention in my opinion - constant inescapable interruptions until you take it off and turn it off, yet users often forget to reply to messages or act on notifications. I choose to stick to an old fashioned analogue watch for this reason.
Ill def continue to share with friends and family, cheers.
Thank you for this conversation ❤
One of the best episodes. Thanks Steve.
Very relatable conversation to the world we live in today. Thank you - Loved this and love him!! I want the book
So glad I found this. Absolutely phenomenal podcast and VITAL information we all need
One of my favourite episodes to date. Johann is so captivating, a great guest and I can’t wait to read his new book!
I Watched you on the Rich Roll Podcasts talking about your conversations with your mother. It made me reflect on my relationship with my son. I immigrated from Trinidad and Tobago and now live permanently in the United States. I am Black, and my son is half-white. I thought it was sad that your mom struggles to have a conversation with you. I really reflected on that and thought about my son, and I get along. We talk almost every day. Maybe it is because he's an only child, and I raised him by myself, so we became best friends. We don't talk about everything in his life, but I don't need to know everything. but we find lots of things to talk about. Secondly, I am a school psychologist, so building relationships with children and young people comes natural to me. I genuinely love getting young people's perspective. I don't know. It's something that will stay with me.
Wow!! Thank you so much for sharing this! Appreciate you. Team DOAC ❤️
Great content, great conversation. Really important subject. Thanks and congrats from Spain!
Steven you need to ask more questions about healing tools
I enjoyed this conversation very much. Gratitude 🙏
This was great. I loved the discussion about "flow state"
I am not great at focusing , but watched all of this , loved it , got so much out of this episode x
This topic was a revelation and yet so obvious at the same time! 😊
Thanks so much for sharing this best idea ever heard.
Loved this. listening while training with my Kettlebells . Will be implementing some of the ideas discussed in your talk within my lifestyle 😊