TeamSamurai actually made this combo and uploaded first while I was still working on this video, so shoutout to him for the great work he’s putting in. Which guide next?
Just got to try out the main combo in full in a ranked match and wow it is solid! The Draco player I was up against couldn't do anything against me. Thanks so much for the easy to follow video and credit to you and TeamSamurai for the awesome combo lines!
Having looked into this deck... yeah the flame swordsman cards are just not good. Even woth this build its less a hybrid and more bogging down a good deck with a bad one
@@jamesmast4221 The flame swoirdsman stuff is suppose to help u push OTK better going 2nd which is something pure infernoble struggles with. This vid doesnt really help show that cuz their all going 1st replays. Infernoble FS is also better at playing under maxx c since they can search for the trap & end there for minimal ss.
@@jamesmast4221I don’t think so. The two decks have good synergy together, FS makes up for infernoble’s bad going second, and infernoble makes up for FS bad going first.
For those who wanna play pure build. Its definetly working with the right cards. Rushed to Diamond with a 70% win rate. Focus on handtraps and the flip down trap cards and go for otk next round. Also is good in maxx C.
Great video but honestly my fanboy and inner child was more excited for a pure ver, still thanks for your content man you're really amazing and i think that you explain your combo even better than TSX1 (i think he takes really a lot of time, unlike you) Keep doing the great work 💪🏻🔥
Another example is ash this is it’s effects When a card or effect is activated that includes any of these effects (Quick Effect): You can discard this card; negate that effect. ●Add a card from the Deck to the hand. ●Special Summon from the Deck. ●Send a card from the Deck to the GY. You can only use this effect of "Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring" once per turn. So if I can use both Charles the great effects then why can I only activate one Max c or ash.
@@NicoLalandrez because at the end of the effect, it says “you can only use this effect if ash blossom once per turn” This is a hard once per turn, only 1 ash blossom can be activated
I just wish they have more generic cards to help warriors deck I once tried a cool 3 card combo to get out RDA abyss with out using my normal summon once but need like 3 specific cards
I follow this combo but always lose because of time out. A lot of process to to complete the combo. This combo is good but need alot process and time. For beginners not recommended , you will miss one step combo process because you are in hurry in time before time one.
This is the effect of Charles 1 Level 9 "Infernoble Knight Emperor Charles" equipped with an Equip Card(s) If this card is Link Summoned: You can target 1 "Infernoble Knight Emperor Charles" in your GY; this card's name becomes that target's original name, and it gains that target's original effects, then equip that target to this card as an Equip Spell that gives it 500 ATK. Once per turn, when a Spell/Trap Card or effect is activated (Quick Effect): You can send 1 Equip Spell from your hand or face-up field to the GY; negate the activation, and if you do, destroy that card. Now can you explain me what once per turn mean So you can see that not only your wrong your a liar to so if masterduel is bugged then let then fix it because the card is not suppose to be that good Sorry for the insult it’s just I played this deck more then 2000 hours so I felt really engage to tell the truth my name is TheSheep by the way
@@NicoLalandrez no need for the insult, let me explain kind of once per turns, When a card says “once per turn: you can…” it means that if you have multiple copies of this card, all of them can activate, so multiple great Charles can activate If a card says at the end of the effect “you can only use this effect of xxx once per turn” it means if you have multiple copies of that card, only 1 can activate, and it can only activate once per turn Since great Charles has the first one I explained, it means multiple great Charles can activate, and not only am I 100% sure since that’s how the game works, I’ve also experimented and activated them both in the same turn It’s crazy that you have 2000 hours and don’t know this, someone at your locals lied to you
@@Moha-MasterDuelok if that truth then why is stratos once per turn even though it does not say once per turn. even museum is not once per turn and if it does not say that it is once per turn so a monster is once per turn but a effect monster is that says once per turn can be use muplitiple times, yah that does not make sense. Even cyber dragon has limitation to its abilities as a monster to special summon it even I can use Charles multiple times then I’m cyber dragon main or even better a stratos main😂🥱🙄🥴🎃🤖👍🏿
Hmm the variant of infernoble that includes Diabellstar is still a better option after all. It’s much more destructive in terms of what you want to do and even with 6 interruptions people usually give up
This is mostly just a charles deck with flame swordsman tech. Ive been trying to acutally get Flameswordsman with charles and gearfried out on turn one. Maybe even trying to throw baronne in there too somehow.
@Moha-MasterDuel yea, I think you are right. Ive been trying to make this deck do more but honestly I don't think it can. In diamond it has been rough ngl.
@@Moha-MasterDuel idk bro, the lighting storm/ droplet combo has tenpai beating my ass. I was trying to workshop a good altergeist/secret village deck to counter tenpai.
Your wrong by saying both Charles’s can use there effect because the effect is only ones per turn so the only reason we link in two is so that if one is destroy we still have another one for the negates
Nope the Spell/Trap negate isn’t once per turn, the destruction effect is once per turn, double check please because I’ve used both negates in the same turn lol
As good as Infernoble going first, but slightly better than Infernoble going second because of the flame swordsman fusion But overall maybe pure Infernoble better cuz it has a better turn 1
@ Usually for other decks, there’s an alternative route that leaves less disruptions, but can maybe keep you alive next turn. Like in Branded, if you get Maxx-C, you summon Albion White without too many extra Summons and hope for the best. Any alternative for these guys?
I’ve personally made someone lose basically because they maxx’d me they had 7 cards left in their deck by the time they were done with all their combos and dealing with all my negates they lost because they longer had cards,this deck can play through Maxx and Nib
@ one of the infernoble are level one and is a tuner you can use that with Charles to make baronee instead of having two Charles you now have one Charles which is a pop one baronne which is a pop and negate a link Charles with is also a pop and negate. You wouldn’t need sp little knight since it doesn’t mesh well with that deck
@ ah ya you’re right then, but then you’d be ending on 1 less disruption, but while also having an Omni which is much better disruption Thanks for the clarification
This is why I still like stun decks even if I hate them at the same time… Stun deck steps:… summon one monster that stops special summoning set solemn judgement Step 2 you probably win.
@@mehdijallouli2688 نعم صاخب القناه عربي واسمه محمد من مصر عندنا بندلع محمد و بنقله يا موحا زي اسم القناه وانا أساسا كنت في فديوهات سابقه كتير بكتب بالعربي وهو بيرد
*Normal summon Moha* *Activate effect to add "RUclips channel"* *Activate RUclips channel to special summon "RUclips Video"* *Link into "Like" and "Subscribe"* *Special summon "That one dude who always leaves a funny comment"* 🗿
It happens to most decks if your first activations got disrupted, there is no perfect deck. It still depends if you go first or second, the situation, the decks, the format, luck, etc. But having 8 disruptions is not common in many decks, that's why I just concede whenever I face Infernoble Flame Swordsman because my deck is just a fun deck.
@@Moha-MasterDuel if you can put the rank 4 infernoble xyz thats sr and put an extra equip spell almace and change the combo a bit you can summon gearfried but the combo you showed is good if you are not playing the xyz
If gearfried is in the gy you can add almace by the infernoble field equip it to the level 9 synchro get the link 1 then almace effect will activate return the gearfried to your hand then use field return charles and equip it with anything get the second link 1 then summon gearfried you don't need to play the xyz because it will only help you in certain situations and do the combo shown in the video
@@Mannadium-riumheart thanks for the clarification But it’s a bit difficult, you need a way to dump gear fried first and then another way to recover it, it’s possible, but won’t happen in most duels
And i remembered something while talking with my friend that is addicted to infernoble he had changes for your deck but they are a bit expensive so i will just say one of the changes not to make even more broke at this point xd you can play the speedroid engine with terrortop and tekotomborg and get mx saber invoker summon a heroic challenger that searched a heroic spell add a spell called heroic call that basically special summons any warrior from the gy and your hand but it's effects are negated then you can summon isolde with the heroic challenger and mx saber invoker and you have an extra extender there is still some changes my friend says to your deck but they are a bit expensive and optinal
This deck sacrifices an extremely good turn 1 end board for slightly better turn 2, which I think is a good trade off. Especially considering how weak this deck is when it goes 2nd. Your turn 1 end board is still very strong
TeamSamurai actually made this combo and uploaded first while I was still working on this video, so shoutout to him for the great work he’s putting in.
Which guide next?
Chimera with the last support ?
Live twin spright?
Ostinato engine ?
Madolche
Chimera with Nightmare Apprentice
Thanks for all the great content that You do
@@s0l0vino thank you I appreciate this a lot!
Gonna buy more packs for more guides
🗣🔥 "For the Main Combo"
@@TechNinjaSigma 🗣️🔥
Just got to try out the main combo in full in a ranked match and wow it is solid! The Draco player I was up against couldn't do anything against me. Thanks so much for the easy to follow video and credit to you and TeamSamurai for the awesome combo lines!
@@rob88v really happy to hear that and thank you!
i was kinda hoping for a more "pure" flame swordsman but i'll concede to the fact that this is more competitive
Having looked into this deck... yeah the flame swordsman cards are just not good. Even woth this build its less a hybrid and more bogging down a good deck with a bad one
@@jamesmast4221 The flame swoirdsman stuff is suppose to help u push OTK better going 2nd which is something pure infernoble struggles with. This vid doesnt really help show that cuz their all going 1st replays. Infernoble FS is also better at playing under maxx c since they can search for the trap & end there for minimal ss.
@@jamesmast4221I don’t think so. The two decks have good synergy together, FS makes up for infernoble’s bad going second, and infernoble makes up for FS bad going first.
@@ahcahcahcahcahc yep I checked pure and it wasn’t it
Should I do this or a silent swordsman man deck ??
Appreciate the walkthrough I'm just getting into Infernobles I still need another charles and isoble but it is what it is.
@@mattmoya1375 happy to help 🤝 and good luck
For those who wanna play pure build. Its definetly working with the right cards. Rushed to Diamond with a 70% win rate. Focus on handtraps and the flip down trap cards and go for otk next round. Also is good in maxx C.
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I'm doing something similar
Great video but honestly my fanboy and inner child was more excited for a pure ver, still thanks for your content man you're really amazing and i think that you explain your combo even better than TSX1 (i think he takes really a lot of time, unlike you)
Keep doing the great work 💪🏻🔥
@@aissabenmouffok1209 thank you! And trust me I know, but I checked the pure version and it wasn’t really all that good
Damn eight disruptions, me and the other 2 flame swordsman fans are eating tonight 😋
@@thatoneguylV no deck is beating this if we full combo 😏
Loved this so easy for a newbie
@@thedabbleking7126 happy to have helped 🙏
WOOOOOOOO
YEAAAH I ALWAYS REFRESH UR RUclips CHANNEL FOR THIS !!
@@SoulS467 LETS GOOOO
(Thanks I appreciate it)
No way I was just thinking about this! Your the GOAT!!!
@@AragonVortex I gotchu always 🤝
Was just about to craft this, upload came perfectly on time.
could it be which tier in the future?
@@bossanova3292 I gotchu 🫡
@@TriPhan-v8w just rogue tier
Another example is ash this is it’s effects When a card or effect is activated that includes any of these effects (Quick Effect): You can discard this card; negate that effect.
●Add a card from the Deck to the hand.
●Special Summon from the Deck.
●Send a card from the Deck to the GY.
You can only use this effect of "Ash Blossom & Joyous Spring" once per turn.
So if I can use both Charles the great effects then why can I only activate one Max c or ash.
@@NicoLalandrez because at the end of the effect, it says “you can only use this effect if ash blossom once per turn”
This is a hard once per turn, only 1 ash blossom can be activated
Thank you for understanding the simple logic of effects your welcome💀☠️💀☠️
I gotchu 🫡
I just wish they have more generic cards to help warriors deck I once tried a cool 3 card combo to get out RDA abyss with out using my normal summon once but need like 3 specific cards
@@jaykettavong4109 warrior support will always come out just like dragon support basically
THANKS if the decks still good on christmas il be building this with my gems
@@Ivory-f5b good luck 🫡
At 0:30 you say any discard however it does have to be a monster that mentions flame swordsman
@amoghsankar3366 nope, it just have to be a monster, doesn’t have to mention flame swordsman
defiently not playing this version of the deck cause who wants to sit through all of this lol
@@thaisennj9781 fair 😂
@ nvm i lost with fun now I have to chose evil
@@thaisennj9781 you won’t regret this 🫡
Unless you go second then you might regret a bit
@@Moha-MasterDuel how did you know.. all my materials.. gone
@@thaisennj9781 it’s still a good deck 👀 I wouldn’t say your materials are gone
thanks for this guide moha it's me Zaid 😊
@@theobserver480 hello Zaid 👋
And of course! Happy to help
I follow this combo but always lose because of time out. A lot of process to to complete the combo. This combo is good but need alot process and time. For beginners not recommended , you will miss one step combo process because you are in hurry in time before time one.
@@hhlifestyle6671 true but if you want, you can practice this combo in solo mode first, I don’t recommend this deck for beginners
I prefer ss-ing Phoenix Gearfried on the 5th ss for anti-Nib.
@@RejectHumanityReturn2Monke if you can do that definitely go for it
Joey must’ve been hype for the power boost lol , this combo wild long tho
@@PsnXboxPC Joey would’ve clapped everyone if he had this
This is the effect of Charles 1 Level 9 "Infernoble Knight Emperor Charles" equipped with an Equip Card(s)
If this card is Link Summoned: You can target 1 "Infernoble Knight Emperor Charles" in your GY; this card's name becomes that target's original name, and it gains that target's original effects, then equip that target to this card as an Equip Spell that gives it 500 ATK. Once per turn, when a Spell/Trap Card or effect is activated (Quick Effect): You can send 1 Equip Spell from your hand or face-up field to the GY; negate the activation, and if you do, destroy that card.
Now can you explain me what once per turn mean
So you can see that not only your wrong your a liar to so if masterduel is bugged then let then fix it because the card is not suppose to be that good
Sorry for the insult it’s just I played this deck more then 2000 hours so I felt really engage to tell the truth my name is TheSheep by the way
@@NicoLalandrez no need for the insult, let me explain kind of once per turns,
When a card says “once per turn: you can…” it means that if you have multiple copies of this card, all of them can activate, so multiple great Charles can activate
If a card says at the end of the effect “you can only use this effect of xxx once per turn” it means if you have multiple copies of that card, only 1 can activate, and it can only activate once per turn
Since great Charles has the first one I explained, it means multiple great Charles can activate, and not only am I 100% sure since that’s how the game works, I’ve also experimented and activated them both in the same turn
It’s crazy that you have 2000 hours and don’t know this, someone at your locals lied to you
@@Moha-MasterDuelok if that truth then why is stratos once per turn even though it does not say once per turn. even museum is not once per turn and if it does not say that it is once per turn so a monster is once per turn but a effect monster is that says once per turn can be use muplitiple times, yah that does not make sense. Even cyber dragon has limitation to its abilities as a monster to special summon it even I can use Charles multiple times then I’m cyber dragon main or even better a stratos main😂🥱🙄🥴🎃🤖👍🏿
@@NicoLalandrez surely this is a troll, Stratos has no kind of any once per turn in it, it’s an effect on summon… anyway, good luck
Hmm the variant of infernoble that includes Diabellstar is still a better option after all. It’s much more destructive in terms of what you want to do and even with 6 interruptions people usually give up
It might be better yeah, build the deck how you see best and if it works it works
How does this fair compared to Dino’s? Stronger or weaker or about the same?
@@sinsayt I think this is better than Dinos
This is mostly just a charles deck with flame swordsman tech. Ive been trying to acutally get Flameswordsman with charles and gearfried out on turn one. Maybe even trying to throw baronne in there too somehow.
They normally summon Baronne
@@iBe2quick that’s the best combo I could find for now
@Moha-MasterDuel yea, I think you are right. Ive been trying to make this deck do more but honestly I don't think it can. In diamond it has been rough ngl.
@@iBe2quick maybe you’ll find it easier in master, there’s more tenpai decks so you’ll get to go first more often
@@Moha-MasterDuel idk bro, the lighting storm/ droplet combo has tenpai beating my ass. I was trying to workshop a good altergeist/secret village deck to counter tenpai.
4:00 As if this deck weren’t broken enough before the swordsman support.
I mean it's less broken with flame swordsman taking up the mikanko snake eyes space
@@johnmorales4328 yep now we have more 1 card starters
Nah flameswords man is insane brcause the quick spell is a universal extender
I love the idea deck of this deck but just like Endymion I don't feel confident enough to pilot it
@@reezyrenzel439 yep that’s fair, tho the deck can be complicated
❤❤❤❤tnx: شكرا
@@mehdijallouli2688 🫶
which build worth spending gems melodius shining sarc or flame swordsman?
Probably melodious since it can be mixed with other decks
Unrelated but what's the name of the background music that you use in the video?
@@pth2630 here: ruclips.net/video/RIGlKCKp5Iw/видео.htmlsi=bXcykByrs7jtmHbc
Your wrong by saying both Charles’s can use there effect because the effect is only ones per turn so the only reason we link in two is so that if one is destroy we still have another one for the negates
Nope the Spell/Trap negate isn’t once per turn, the destruction effect is once per turn, double check please because I’ve used both negates in the same turn lol
How good would you say this deck is? Same as infernoble? Good going first but struggles going 2nd?
As good as Infernoble going first, but slightly better than Infernoble going second because of the flame swordsman fusion
But overall maybe pure Infernoble better cuz it has a better turn 1
@@Moha-MasterDuel I feel like that's a pretty good trade off since infernoble tends to be so bad going 2nd. Might have to give this one a try
@ good luck
@@Moha-MasterDuel Played the deck today for the first time and won my first game. Even played through 2 inperms on turn 1
@ really happy to hear that 🤝
This looks fun. For competitiveness though, would you recommend this, or a more pure infernoble (w/diabel engine) like before?
Pure infernoble is better cause u can get a monster negate or barrone out.
Pure is a bit better but for some variety this is fun, also people may not know the interactions and where to interrupt as well against this build.
@@IsJustJovan probably a bit more pure is better, but this gives you 6 more 1 card starters
I still don't have Immortal Phoenix Gearfried from the Legacy Pack 😞
@@TURBO1000YuGiOh that’s so unlucky 😭
Can you craft it?
@ yes, but if you’re lucky enough you’ll get it from legacy packs so you don’t waste a craft
This was easier than only infernoble, that locks you into warrior at some point
@@emilhan2593 yep I found it easier as well honestly
ALL HAIL KING CHARLES THE GREAT. 90% winrate when summoned!
@@mrstealcar4702 90% LETS GOOO
So what if I get hit with Maxx-C? Or what to do if you get hit w/ other hand traps?
You lose 😂
@ Usually for other decks, there’s an alternative route that leaves less disruptions, but can maybe keep you alive next turn. Like in Branded, if you get Maxx-C, you summon Albion White without too many extra Summons and hope for the best. Any alternative for these guys?
@@davidcantor8349 it’s just little knight pass unfortunately
@@davidcantor8349 as for other hand traps, it all depends on your hand and what other extenders you have
I’ve personally made someone lose basically because they maxx’d me they had 7 cards left in their deck by the time they were done with all their combos and dealing with all my negates they lost because they longer had cards,this deck can play through Maxx and Nib
Guide the new chimera illusion?
@@ildevastatore2.0nicoferrar8 done it’s out now
LETS GOO
Let’s gooo
Hmm this Is interesting
@@AnimeXFever54 🤝
*Moha is sacrificing his Gems and CP for us* 😢
@@izdev9055 it’s worth it for you guys 🥹
Instead of SP little night you should’ve went into Baronee for the Omni negate
@@AnimeXFever54 I don’t have the levels for Baronne unfortunately, can only make a level 5 synchro there
@ one of the infernoble are level one and is a tuner you can use that with Charles to make baronee instead of having two Charles you now have one Charles which is a pop one baronne which is a pop and negate a link Charles with is also a pop and negate. You wouldn’t need sp little knight since it doesn’t mesh well with that deck
@ ah ya you’re right then, but then you’d be ending on 1 less disruption, but while also having an Omni which is much better disruption
Thanks for the clarification
Is this deck structure is user friendly?
@@UnliWok no, combo is too long and hard to change combo routes if opponent has hand traps
This is why I still like stun decks even if I hate them at the same time…
Stun deck steps:… summon one monster that stops special summoning set solemn judgement
Step 2 you probably win.
@@emmanuelmacedo1095 true, I don’t think very long combos are healthy for yugioh
@ agreed I think it’s a practical problem, aside from other problems, it makes turns take ridiculously long and is a barrier of entry for new players.
لو سمحت يا موحا عايزين snake eyes melodious ماشي و شكرا
😮😮😮
@mehdijallouli2688 what's wrong with you bro!!!??
@@ZiadWael-mm9jt هههههه هل انت متاكد ان صاحب القناة عربي
@@mehdijallouli2688 نعم صاخب القناه عربي واسمه محمد من مصر عندنا بندلع محمد و بنقله يا موحا زي اسم القناه وانا أساسا كنت في فديوهات سابقه كتير بكتب بالعربي وهو بيرد
@@ZiadWael-mm9jt هههه لا شيء
*Normal summon Moha*
*Activate effect to add "RUclips channel"*
*Activate RUclips channel to special summon "RUclips Video"*
*Link into "Like" and "Subscribe"*
*Special summon "That one dude who always leaves a funny comment"* 🗿
@@chaostitan5042synchro into black rose to wipe the field which also includes wiping that one dude who leaves funny comment 🗿
@Moha-MasterDuel *Chain link 1: Open menu*
*Chain link 2: Surrender* 🗿🗿🗿
Isn't this a more bricky and weak version of a pure Infernoble Knight?.
@@otroweonllamadoseba I wouldn’t say more bricky, it has 6 new 1 card starters thanks to the flame swordsman package
Combo looks super complex and easily disrupted by hand traps
It happens to most decks if your first activations got disrupted, there is no perfect deck. It still depends if you go first or second, the situation, the decks, the format, luck, etc. But having 8 disruptions is not common in many decks, that's why I just concede whenever I face Infernoble Flame Swordsman because my deck is just a fun deck.
@@Pursue.Happiness it depends if opponent knows what to hand trap, you can definitely still make a great board if they negate the wrong thing
I just saw the first combo there was a better way to do the combo and reduce the bricks a bit but still the combo shown in the video is still good
@@Mannadium-riumheart what would you recommend I change?
@@Moha-MasterDuel if you can put the rank 4 infernoble xyz thats sr and put an extra equip spell almace and change the combo a bit you can summon gearfried but the combo you showed is good if you are not playing the xyz
If gearfried is in the gy you can add almace by the infernoble field equip it to the level 9 synchro get the link 1 then almace effect will activate return the gearfried to your hand then use field return charles and equip it with anything get the second link 1 then summon gearfried you don't need to play the xyz because it will only help you in certain situations and do the combo shown in the video
@@Mannadium-riumheart thanks for the clarification
But it’s a bit difficult, you need a way to dump gear fried first and then another way to recover it, it’s possible, but won’t happen in most duels
And i remembered something while talking with my friend that is addicted to infernoble he had changes for your deck but they are a bit expensive so i will just say one of the changes not to make even more broke at this point xd you can play the speedroid engine with terrortop and tekotomborg and get mx saber invoker summon a heroic challenger that searched a heroic spell add a spell called heroic call that basically special summons any warrior from the gy and your hand but it's effects are negated then you can summon isolde with the heroic challenger and mx saber invoker and you have an extra extender there is still some changes my friend says to your deck but they are a bit expensive and optinal
The problem is Shifter. .. so many players use shifter this day.
Called by grave must 3 I guess
@X00-9FromZeroToBinggo tf.. only 2 in MD
@@axcel_riki try your luck with running gamma maybe, since some activate it in draw phase
I have deleted the game but still watch your amazing battle's ❤
@@SaAbd0967 I really appreciate it 🫶
Evil twin pls
@@DongNguyen-uz8to soon
@@DongNguyen-uz8to soon
U sure you can’t dump gear fried and use the spell to get him back? I feel like you can still get gear fried out there
@@zachmcmxcv2706 not with 1 card combos unfortunately, but this is definitely possible with full hands
Brooo create Live Twin Deck plesss
@@xeinzo will do soon 🙏
why don`t we see you in meta weekly it would be so awesome
@@razorshuriken4840 I want to join one day maybe soon, you can only join thru his discord?
Purrely decklist plz
@@q14jewelmathewssamson84 here’s a decent Decklist: www.masterduelmeta.com/top-decks/win-streaks/october-2024/purrely/zig/voLLS
this seems worse than pure
Wdym worse? It have 8 disruptions. While my deck can only have 3-4 because it's still meh atm.
@@Leonardo.ohime.i it might be slightly worse, but it gives us 6 more 1 card starters, and it’s a bit different way to play the deck
This deck sacrifices an extremely good turn 1 end board for slightly better turn 2, which I think is a good trade off. Especially considering how weak this deck is when it goes 2nd. Your turn 1 end board is still very strong