On the point of Gen Z and religion, a lot of Gen Z is returning to church, but its to non-denominational churches! Those churches promote the idea of "not religious, but love Jesus." That's where I think the confusion is coming from.
Tbh i believe Gen Z is more bluntly honest. Every Gen wants to hold the "Moral Highground" but I have seen time and time again how older folks would absolutely throw people under the bus for self preservation
This is only partially true. People as a species tends towards community, with all it's pros and cons. If you look at someone behaves naturally, they tend to be selfish, and focused on themselves on in so much as if it's question of giving up something scarce to another group, they tend not to want to do it. But when there's enough, they tend to be more communal. Children are similar, they tend to share when times are good, and cry if they think they won't have 'the thing'. What adults teach isn't so much to be good, it's to look at life as something more then a zero sum game. People in general are actually relatively decent, in a vacuum. The context adjusts .
@@bbb462cid If you say so. Psychology, evolutionary biology and so on say otherwise. It's not one or the other. As soon as children are aware enough of the external world to have agency, however minimal, the nature kicks in; Contrary to what you're saying, you actually have to train people to be assholes through external factors. This isn't to say that children are particular nice,etc..which is why I would say it's more accurate to say parents teach them to deal with adversity, and the troubles in the world. Human beings as a whole are flawed, but generally mind their own business, adhere to things that serve the group, etc...There's a certain selfishness in this, but also a inherent decentness that takes time or troubles/fears to chip away at.
Children are inherently “selfish” not evil, but being selfish can make them do bad or evil things and need to be taught how to be good and do the right thing. So to answer the question more directly, no i do not think people are inherently good.
“Service to self” is the “evil”every belief system refers to, as civilisation and progress is impossible when no one works together for the greater good to create “Heaven”. However the planet would prefer we stay in this “Hell” as then our limited scope of reproduction and wooden spears and cave living affects very little of it on a significant level.
no, people are not inherently good. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. People need to grapple with the fact that there is a level of EVIL, that is within all of us. "Good" people will rationalize, wicked behavior. Narcissism is very very real.
Boomers are more liberal than the Greatest Generation. That's where the hippies came from Whether you see mankind as inherently good or inherently bad determines your political position.
When have traditions ever said humans are naturally good? Chriatianity, at its core, holds to be true that humanity is not good, and requires salvation and guidance to be moral and virtuous and that they can not do so on their own but through god. This gurl has no idea what chriatianity or the bible teaches. Though, to be fair, most chriatians dont either.
Both King David and the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth taught that wicked people are wicked from birth (Psalm 58:3, Matthew 13:3-9, Mark 4:2-9, and Luke 8:4-8)
Religions generaly accept that humans are imperfect, faulty, able to be tempted. This is great idea, becouse this idea accept that we have a way before us, a way to progress, to develp. Without this idea we dont have idea of development, of progress. Thats why IMO religion is important.
I'm 66, and I was born into evangelical Protestantism. Late in life I walked away, was received into Eastern Orthodox Christianity ☦️, and never looked back. My little Antiochian Orthodox parish is growing exponentially, with young Gen Z and Millennial families, but particularly with young Gen Z, Millennial, and even high school young men. Some are inquirers into Orthodox Christianity, but most have become catechumens, have been received into the church, and want to live the sacramental life of the church.
@@narutofan123472, India did win. I don't know if you have done business, engineering, or medical work, but it is painfully obvious that India is not only winning, but crushing the world.
If people were inherently good, we wouldn't honor someone does something truly good for doing that truly good thing. It would be the default setting. We celebrate it when people think and act outside of self interest precisely because selfishness is the default.
@@RonRoyGosselin Gen Z hasn't done a whole lot but complain. When they start doing stuff and move up in the world and they get stuff, their attitude on that issue will change. It's easy to be a Socialist/Progressive when you have jack sh*t in the world.
Both King David and the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth taught that wicked people are wicked from birth (Psalm 58:3, Matthew 13:3-9, Mark 4:2-9, and Luke 8:4-8)
It seems the prevalence of evil people has grown over the decades. Particularly among those in the highest positions. All too often there are people who fall somewhere between good and evil who will side with whoever is in charge. Even good people are oftentimes duped by evil people into believing that obedience is always a virtue.
Love you guys buuuuut, just for clarity on the Bible thing. Luke 18:18-19 KJV [18] And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? [19] And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. Romans 3:23 KJV [23] for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Psalm 14:1-3 KJV [1] The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, There is none that doeth good. [2] The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. [3] They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one. There are many more verses on this but yeah, it isn't off base to feel that we are not good. And that is fine. That is why we need Jesus. Why he saves us. Anyways, keep up the good work, keep fighting the good fight. As best as we can that is. I do enjoy the show.
In the end, the best things to do are work hard, take responsibility for your own actions and consequences (don't blame others and don't turn yourself into a victim), be kind to others and treat others with respect. Oh yeah, and put the damn phone down and go outside.
Did all the above got exploited by my boomer perents and boomer managers working hard just got you more work and no bump in pay whilst the incompetent Becky gets the overtime you've been begging for and she get promoted to add salt to the wound when all she does is gossip and glued to her phone so I tried learning a trade from my old man became nothing but a human wheel barrow no matter the months of begging to learn a trade to finally get a lesson with such terms of I can't teach that, it's a feel and you just know theirs no one way to plaster that was one day then I get fobbed off to become a dog's body again whilst getting screamed at for him misplacing his tools and blaming me the clients he worked for felt sorry for me thats how bad it was I endured 3 years of that shit hoping I'd learn a skill asking questions at every turn for nothing just got shit self esteem and a disdain for any trades oh I tried under other builders the same shit I did all the hard graft whilst they take the piss outta me sipping their cups if tea
“In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.” - Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
Bro, Gen X didn't care about anything but themselves. Only difference between Gen X and Boomers is Gen X didn't go outta their way to scr3w everyone else over to benefit themselves, they actually worked for their bread.
@@Trench216 Exactly. And so most of you ignore others' situations except in the most dire circumstances. But not too dire; don't wanna get tied down to another human being or anything. 🤣
As a Gen Z dude I turned cold when realizing how materialistic ppl are and after improving my life and having what others wanted at a young age all but a few flipped to then try and be all nice to have a “social” advantage or try to make money, my goal was having fun and being happy but people turn sour when you aren’t what they think or thought you were. The world is genuinely fked do not care at this point
I believe that is actually true for most people to be inherently neutral. A minority of others are on opposite sides of the spectrum. Upbringing and experiences may sway people in one direction or the other.
Humanity based on the Bible is sinful they are right what you have to do is work hard and look to god to be better than the temptations around you. I struggle with this myself in many aspects but that is the lesson. Everyone has the capacity for evil if they lose faith and don’t care.
@@kesamek8537 Beliver? In what you just said the lord of God is a stupid old innacurate book. The Bible is talking about the same issues and challoir society faces , and they’re the same of the people who cane before us, thousands of years ago.
I can tell you where my Gen Z kids are on those morality poles but we addressed morality issues early on, and delinquent behavior was not tolerated, it delt with harshly even if it threw a wrench in our plans as a family. We never gave idle threats like most parents do. When I said "I'll turn this car around!" I meant it, and the kids knew it.
People are not fundamentally good or evil. They are fundamentally self interested and many lack the ability to analyze hypothetical situations (i.e. it only matters if it happens to me or someone that I know).
Well we are all made in the image of God and therefore inherently good, but because of the original sin we all have the inclination to sin and do eventually sin. That is the fundamental aspect of Christianity. We are inherently good but we are weak to sin.
They have no work ethic. My nieces don't want to learn how to cook even cookies, and the 16-year-olds I work with now can't even find a bag of mayo that's labeled in sharpie on the box mayo. Everyone's on their phones if there's down time. Remember if you have time to leen you have time to clean? not with them unless they're serving customers they're just standing in the back.
What work? All the jobs went to China and Mexico, you know the ones Trump was supposed to bring back before he decided to gaslight us about the economy just like Obama?
@@courtneycherry5582 I'm sorry ... but really ... who doesn't want to make cookies? That used to be the fun stuff after you learned to make actual meals. You: Please get the mayo ... its labeled mayo. Them: we can't find it :p
Typically every generation follows the same trajectory: they are more liberal leaning at a younger age, when you have fewer responsibilities and have more emotional responses to things. Around age 35 or so, once they are married, have mortgages and have children, they tend to start leaning more conservative as things like taxes, safety, schools and crime become more of a focus. Not saying all of them become right wingers, but they definitely are more aware of things than they were at a younger age.
Nope. 20% and more of Z identify as gay or trans or something other than straight. The propaganda you've been fed to the contrary is completely wrong and mostly comes from right wing outlets
The Holy scriptures teach that post Adam and Eve, humanity is in a corrupted physical state. This occurred when Adam and Eve, disobeyed God and ate of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. Thereafter, we changed from instinct-driven to intellect-driven. This change allowed wicked souls (dark, unnatural, cruel, and ambitious) to enter into the world. If you don't think that people are born evil, then you do not know the Holy scriptures. Both King David and the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth taught that wicked people are wicked from birth (Psalm 58:3, Matthew 13:3-9, Mark 4:2-9, and Luke 8:4-8)
So if Gen Z isn't traditionally moral or maybe has no morals then I just like to remember and share a quote by George Carlin "The planet will be fine, people are F$%&ed"
2 Things: 1) if all possibilities exist, then there’s one where God exists, anddd there is still no good or bad , as well (I happen to believe we are all inherently good but that’s just me) & 2) I beleive the best people are the ones that do the most with whatever they got or don’t have -I don’t feel “best” should ever be measured by something that was initially outside of one’s choice, but what they CHOOSE to do with it My (late) dad wrote a book called “The Question of Elites” that graduate students are required to buy, explaining how in the end, DNA that was considered superior in accomplishments, doesn’t ever matter -it’s the WILL of the person that does.
The loan response is the result of a massive generational gap in financial realities. Boomers can't even conceptualize the hopelessness of a very real post apocalyptic barren financial landscape.
Laws and consequences are made and changed in reaction to public opinion. That's the one critique I will make of this segment. Use that reality, relentlessly and without mercy, to your advantage.
when a criminal point a gun to your face, you will want traditional values that protect your existance, people that defend gray morality want the benefit of traditional morality making sure you will have clean water for example, but they believe making death threats to the guy that work making sure you have clean water is a good thing because is cool, the idea of people rejecting to help who is abusing them is not taken in consideration in these debates.
We're *capable* of doing good. We're *inclined* to do evil through selfishness/laziness/carelessness. Doing good requires a conscious effort; it's easier not to bother.
The Catholic would say human's are basically good with one caveat, yes, we were created GOOD, if you say otherwise you are calling God a liar, who called His creation, "good." BUT, we are fallen from original sin and the concupiscence that lingers as a result of our sin. So the Catholic woman is right.
I consider all people to be evil until they prove otherwise. Most people have yet to prove me wrong. I'm not Gen Z but expecting the other guy to be a bad guy is wise. Judge them based on what they do because talk is cheap and your actions tell who and what you are. Sexual deviance is a major red flag that you might be someone I want to avoid.
The Judeo-Christian framework says that website born inherently evil and that is why we need God. God didn’t make us that way, but we are born that way due to original sin.
Harry Potter vs Voldemort. There’s a difference between asking if people are inherently good vs evil. I don’t think they’re good or evil. They have the capacity to be both. The choices we make shape us as much as our nature and environment. People can overcome or give into any of them.
its interesting that conservatives call you a leftists if you dont agree with all their points and leftists call u a conservative if u dont agree with one of their points ..:)
That'd be because they are a group and groups have defined guidelines or beliefs. If they didn't they wouldn't need a name to distinguish the idea.....
I actually think people are more spiritual these days just not within orthodoxy. People don't like the power structure of the church, any church. I wouldn't say they aren't Christian they just aren't a specific brand of christianity.
@johndurham6172 if so that definitely an issue that'll have a slew of negative effects for future generations. If people these days are having identity crisis like we've never seen before I could only imagine how that'd ramp up I'm the future.
They are depressed because they have been constantly told they don't have a future and even over their short lives, they've seen a steep decline in society.
@@jacob-2271 I agree! But we mustn’t give up and give into nihilism. My generation (millennials) also has this problem. We can acknowledge problems without allowing them to make us pessimistic- but easier said than done.
My brother is gen z and he’s very much church going. I’m a millennial and completely denounced religion I believe in spirituality. So their may be some truth to that.
No. Nobody is born good. We are all born a blank slate that has to be taught to be good or evil. Even taught to be one, conditions through life can change you to the opposite.
The amount of assumption here is disgusting from generational norms to religious views... "original sin" religion does not view people as generally good quite the opposite.
When you say gen z are returning to church, I love how vague you are about it. How you don't specifically point out how a majority of the zoomers returning to church, are weak-willed, coping, incel zooms. You know the ones with a 'it's not my fault I can't get laid! It's society's fault! And those pesky women!'. And I give a caveat there is something wrong with the general culture of women, but it's not this, it's a general narcissism brought on by the princess treatment combined with social media.
So, if people are inherently bad, does that mean those with a natural want to help others (occasional bystanders, medical professionals, teachers, etc) are outliers?
The founding fathers of America understood it well: people have the capacity for good and evil. We have both. We act on both at different times. Generation after generation we learned and figured out mortal sin and morality and learned it through tradition. There was a reason for that. For someone living now to just dismiss thousands of years of people learning the hard way the best way to live is just narcissism run amuck.
Boomers believe naturally good because they were prosperous and raised with emphasis on mercy and love. Read a latin missal a good chunk is just I'm unworthy to even read the gospel, I'm sinful it's only through mercy I can approach the alter, please have mercy and let this fix my sinful heart etc.
The Church inadvertently conflated a social norm with Biblical laws. Pre-Marital sex was never specified as a sin. Many English translations used the word "fornication" (which was very specific) despite the actual translation being "sexual immorality" (which is more commonly, and correctly, used) which is a reference to previously established lists of sins that were sexual in nature. In society, girls were sold by their fathers as wives and this was a source of income to sustain the family. Because a new item is always more valuable than a used one, virginity began to be something to protect as they could sell her for more if she was a virgin. This was not really a "moral" thing, however obeying your mother and father WAS a commandment and if your Father commanded you to stay pure...then disobeying him would therefore be a sin.
On the point of Gen Z and religion, a lot of Gen Z is returning to church, but its to non-denominational churches! Those churches promote the idea of "not religious, but love Jesus." That's where I think the confusion is coming from.
Protestants man
@@leradmuiel7634 Modernity/individualism man
@@leradmuiel7634 I know right...
Sooo.... Protestant?
@@Needler13 Basically yeah. Lol
Tbh i believe Gen Z is more bluntly honest. Every Gen wants to hold the "Moral Highground" but I have seen time and time again how older folks would absolutely throw people under the bus for self preservation
I think Isaac Clarke said it best.
"Good men mean well. We just don't end up doing well."
The guy from Dead Space?
When you tell kids what's in their heads is more real then the tangible world this is what happens.
Have U ever seen how children treat each other? No people R not inherently good. They are naturally selfish. You have to B taught to B GOOD
cannot agree with you more
This is only partially true. People as a species tends towards community, with all it's pros and cons. If you look at someone behaves naturally, they tend to be selfish, and focused on themselves on in so much as if it's question of giving up something scarce to another group, they tend not to want to do it. But when there's enough, they tend to be more communal. Children are similar, they tend to share when times are good, and cry if they think they won't have 'the thing'. What adults teach isn't so much to be good, it's to look at life as something more then a zero sum game. People in general are actually relatively decent, in a vacuum. The context adjusts .
@@mattwhite4302 Children will what when "times are good"? Kids share when it makes them feel good. Period. Parents correct this.
@@bbb462cid If you say so. Psychology, evolutionary biology and so on say otherwise. It's not one or the other. As soon as children are aware enough of the external world to have agency, however minimal, the nature kicks in; Contrary to what you're saying, you actually have to train people to be assholes through external factors. This isn't to say that children are particular nice,etc..which is why I would say it's more accurate to say parents teach them to deal with adversity, and the troubles in the world. Human beings as a whole are flawed, but generally mind their own business, adhere to things that serve the group, etc...There's a certain selfishness in this, but also a inherent decentness that takes time or troubles/fears to chip away at.
I'm Gen Z raised by christian parents, and I'm returning to church. I've done a lot of things I regret in my life and I want to repent to God.
Weak first world parenting is to blame as well. Overindulgence and over-coddling happened instead of structure and discipline.
Gen Z’s average age is late teens/early 20s. Let’s see what they’re attitude to morality is in 10 years?
Children are inherently “selfish” not evil, but being selfish can make them do bad or evil things and need to be taught how to be good and do the right thing. So to answer the question more directly, no i do not think people are inherently good.
“Service to self” is the “evil”every belief system refers to, as civilisation and progress is impossible when no one works together for the greater good to create “Heaven”. However the planet would prefer we stay in this “Hell” as then our limited scope of reproduction and wooden spears and cave living affects very little of it on a significant level.
no, people are not inherently good. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. People need to grapple with the fact that there is a level of EVIL, that is within all of us. "Good" people will rationalize, wicked behavior. Narcissism is very very real.
Boomers are more liberal than the Greatest Generation. That's where the hippies came from
Whether you see mankind as inherently good or inherently bad determines your political position.
The Boomers are the ones who caused all of this nonsense. And, no one wants to bring this up. The oldest Gen - Z was born in 1997.
As an Orthodox Christian I can confirm that we have seen a massive influx of young people in the past few years.
Based.
When have traditions ever said humans are naturally good? Chriatianity, at its core, holds to be true that humanity is not good, and requires salvation and guidance to be moral and virtuous and that they can not do so on their own but through god. This gurl has no idea what chriatianity or the bible teaches. Though, to be fair, most chriatians dont either.
Both King David and the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth taught that wicked people are wicked from birth (Psalm 58:3, Matthew 13:3-9, Mark 4:2-9, and Luke 8:4-8)
As a follower of Christ Jesus, I 💯% agree.
total depravity < absolute grace
Religions generaly accept that humans are imperfect, faulty, able to be tempted. This is great idea, becouse this idea accept that we have a way before us, a way to progress, to develp. Without this idea we dont have idea of development, of progress. Thats why IMO religion is important.
Yet we teach morals in literal preschool, God I hate you grifter's. You literally can't get one thing right, yet you can't shut up.
I'm 66, and I was born into evangelical Protestantism.
Late in life I walked away, was received into Eastern Orthodox Christianity ☦️, and never looked back.
My little Antiochian Orthodox parish is growing exponentially, with young Gen Z and Millennial families, but particularly with young Gen Z, Millennial, and even high school young men.
Some are inquirers into Orthodox Christianity, but most have become catechumens, have been received into the church, and want to live the sacramental life of the church.
That is dumb as hell. You are not Russian.
In the end, the society with the most babies that reach adulthood wins.
Sadly it's not us and we're doing it to ourselves.
True. Gen Z isn’t family centric and won’t pass this mindset down to anyone. Just wait. This will work itself out.
Then India would have won a long time ago
@@narutofan123472, India did win. I don't know if you have done business, engineering, or medical work, but it is painfully obvious that India is not only winning, but crushing the world.
@@Zaphod771You mean a certain caste of Indians that live outside of India…
The other 1.3 billion live in poverty
“People are fundamentally good”, my mule’s arse.
People are fundamentally selfish
Evil is just selfishness turned into callous action
Babies are born selfish, not good or evil
Gen Z is returning to church but they are returning to churches with the same beliefs as them.
Yup, that's just religion
Religion is thus just one more virtue signaling game
@@Needler13 no its not actually
Mega churches and woke churches? Which to a degree mega churches are kinda woke.
So you think every Gen z are Christians???
Nature is inherently sinful. You never learn to be a whiney, greedy baby you just are, but you have to learn not to be.
If people were inherently good, we wouldn't honor someone does something truly good for doing that truly good thing. It would be the default setting. We celebrate it when people think and act outside of self interest precisely because selfishness is the default.
You do not teach babies to be bad, you have to teach them to be good.
So you think humans are inherently bad? Hmm
We're inherently selfish as a means of survival, yes. @@QuantumSqueeb
@@QuantumSqueeb
Yes. Mankind is fallen and has a sinful nature.
The thing with Gen Z is they don't see a problem with that
@@RonRoyGosselin Gen Z hasn't done a whole lot but complain. When they start doing stuff and move up in the world and they get stuff, their attitude on that issue will change.
It's easy to be a Socialist/Progressive when you have jack sh*t in the world.
Yeah it comes to us by our very nature.
Millenial here. It took me 40 years to understand that people are indeed bad. I didn't know that. So I guess Gen Z is smarter than I thought.
Both King David and the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth taught that wicked people are wicked from birth (Psalm 58:3, Matthew 13:3-9, Mark 4:2-9, and Luke 8:4-8)
It seems the prevalence of evil people has grown over the decades. Particularly among those in the highest positions. All too often there are people who fall somewhere between good and evil who will side with whoever is in charge. Even good people are oftentimes duped by evil people into believing that obedience is always a virtue.
I grew up under Communism being colonized by Russia until 1992, so I never tought for a second humans were good.
Let societies that appreciate their men succeed.
Love you guys buuuuut, just for clarity on the Bible thing.
Luke 18:18-19 KJV
[18] And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? [19] And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.
Romans 3:23 KJV
[23] for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Psalm 14:1-3 KJV
[1] The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, There is none that doeth good. [2] The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. [3] They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.
There are many more verses on this but yeah, it isn't off base to feel that we are not good. And that is fine. That is why we need Jesus. Why he saves us.
Anyways, keep up the good work, keep fighting the good fight. As best as we can that is. I do enjoy the show.
💯
In the end, the best things to do are work hard, take responsibility for your own actions and consequences (don't blame others and don't turn yourself into a victim), be kind to others and treat others with respect. Oh yeah, and put the damn phone down and go outside.
Did all the above got exploited by my boomer perents and boomer managers working hard just got you more work and no bump in pay whilst the incompetent Becky gets the overtime you've been begging for and she get promoted to add salt to the wound when all she does is gossip and glued to her phone so I tried learning a trade from my old man became nothing but a human wheel barrow no matter the months of begging to learn a trade to finally get a lesson with such terms of I can't teach that, it's a feel and you just know theirs no one way to plaster that was one day then I get fobbed off to become a dog's body again whilst getting screamed at for him misplacing his tools and blaming me the clients he worked for felt sorry for me thats how bad it was I endured 3 years of that shit hoping I'd learn a skill asking questions at every turn for nothing just got shit self esteem and a disdain for any trades oh I tried under other builders the same shit I did all the hard graft whilst they take the piss outta me sipping their cups if tea
“In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.” - Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy
Douglas Adams despised religious nutters by the way
Obviously he'd never encountered a trans activist.
@@freman007 But he did encounter enough people like you
@@freman007 Knowing where your towel is, comes into effect in such cases. Dampen one end and whip bad actors into shape.
@@Trench216
It sounds awfully like you're trying to be clever.
Try harder.
Gen X didn't care about polls
And we still don’t. Don’t partake and don’t read poll numbers. They can take their system and shove it. That’s our attitude and alwys has been.
Bro, Gen X didn't care about anything but themselves. Only difference between Gen X and Boomers is Gen X didn't go outta their way to scr3w everyone else over to benefit themselves, they actually worked for their bread.
@@SilverSentinel No, we actually decided that people deserved to have personal lives and we take our freedoms VERY seriously
@@Trench216 Exactly. And so most of you ignore others' situations except in the most dire circumstances. But not too dire; don't wanna get tied down to another human being or anything. 🤣
@@SilverSentinel We weren't in charge of anything, it was the boomers who ran everything into the ground
As a Gen Z dude I turned cold when realizing how materialistic ppl are and after improving my life and having what others wanted at a young age all but a few flipped to then try and be all nice to have a “social” advantage or try to make money, my goal was having fun and being happy but people turn sour when you aren’t what they think or thought you were. The world is genuinely fked do not care at this point
Human beings are inherently neutral. They learn to be good or evil.
I believe that is actually true for most people to be inherently neutral. A minority of others are on opposite sides of the spectrum. Upbringing and experiences may sway people in one direction or the other.
The problem with the morality question is we're inherently both.
Just remember, just because you go from a dead lawn to a desert landscape doesn’t mean the grass was greener before.
Generation z has an identity crisis.
So do you...
I was hoping the propaganda wasn't taking root...
Humanity based on the Bible is sinful they are right what you have to do is work hard and look to god to be better than the temptations around you. I struggle with this myself in many aspects but that is the lesson. Everyone has the capacity for evil if they lose faith and don’t care.
If you need a heavily censored and poorly translated foreign book to tell you what bad/good is, you are already cooked.
I say this as a believer.
@@kesamek8537 Shut up. You are no believer. Mocking and dismissing The Word of God is not something a believer does.
@@kesamek8537wow. Sure you are dude...
@@kesamek8537
Beliver? In what you just said the lord of God is a stupid old innacurate book. The Bible is talking about the same issues and challoir society faces , and they’re the same of the people who cane before us, thousands of years ago.
Don't fall into works salvation though.
I can tell you where my Gen Z kids are on those morality poles but we addressed morality issues early on, and delinquent behavior was not tolerated, it delt with harshly even if it threw a wrench in our plans as a family. We never gave idle threats like most parents do. When I said "I'll turn this car around!" I meant it, and the kids knew it.
People are not fundamentally good or evil. They are fundamentally self interested and many lack the ability to analyze hypothetical situations (i.e. it only matters if it happens to me or someone that I know).
5:12 The Bible literally teaches this, we're all sinners and are not inherently good, that is a fundamental aspect of Christianity :|
Thank you. It’s like she’s never read or even listened to Scripture being read before.
Well we are all made in the image of God and therefore inherently good, but because of the original sin we all have the inclination to sin and do eventually sin. That is the fundamental aspect of Christianity. We are inherently good but we are weak to sin.
Probably why GenZ gets rejected everywhere. They don't really seem to have a work ethic either.
They have no work ethic. My nieces don't want to learn how to cook even cookies, and the 16-year-olds I work with now can't even find a bag of mayo that's labeled in sharpie on the box mayo. Everyone's on their phones if there's down time. Remember if you have time to leen you have time to clean? not with them unless they're serving customers they're just standing in the back.
What work? All the jobs went to China and Mexico, you know the ones Trump was supposed to bring back before he decided to gaslight us about the economy just like Obama?
@@courtneycherry5582 I'm sorry ... but really ... who doesn't want to make cookies? That used to be the fun stuff after you learned to make actual meals.
You: Please get the mayo ... its labeled mayo.
Them: we can't find it
:p
And they're generally incapable of managing their time or keeping appointments.
And this is the generation that supposedly leans conservative?
Compared to millennials.
Typically every generation follows the same trajectory: they are more liberal leaning at a younger age, when you have fewer responsibilities and have more emotional responses to things. Around age 35 or so, once they are married, have mortgages and have children, they tend to start leaning more conservative as things like taxes, safety, schools and crime become more of a focus. Not saying all of them become right wingers, but they definitely are more aware of things than they were at a younger age.
I know way way more right-wing zoomers than millennials
What you don't cover is that gen z men are mostly conservative whereas gen z women are extremely liberal
Not really. It's mostly the incel men who are conservative.
Nope. 20% and more of Z identify as gay or trans or something other than straight. The propaganda you've been fed to the contrary is completely wrong and mostly comes from right wing outlets
The Holy scriptures teach that post Adam and Eve, humanity is in a corrupted physical state. This occurred when Adam and Eve, disobeyed God and ate of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge. Thereafter, we changed from instinct-driven to intellect-driven. This change allowed wicked souls (dark, unnatural, cruel, and ambitious) to enter into the world.
If you don't think that people are born evil, then you do not know the Holy scriptures. Both King David and the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth taught that wicked people are wicked from birth (Psalm 58:3, Matthew 13:3-9, Mark 4:2-9, and Luke 8:4-8)
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The Enemy has been hard at work to get these results.
So if Gen Z isn't traditionally moral or maybe has no morals then I just like to remember and share a quote by George Carlin "The planet will be fine, people are F$%&ed"
This is why I hate my generation
"Truth is a needed lie in the service of life."
Boohoo
Traditional morality is morality. Morality is objective. You either learn it and accept it, or do not
this is the comment. #facts
Woke rejects responsibility, accountability and anything that requires effort.... Plus self loathing is their Bible 😂
Self loathing is also the regular bible
Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, Charles Manson and Zodiac killer and many more, Are these guys Gen Z ?
11:43 the heart is deceitful and desperately wicked
2 Things: 1) if all possibilities exist, then there’s one where God exists, anddd there is still no good or bad , as well (I happen to believe we are all inherently good but that’s just me)
& 2) I beleive the best people are the ones that do the most with whatever they got or don’t have -I don’t feel “best” should ever be measured by something that was initially outside of one’s choice, but what they CHOOSE to do with it
My (late) dad wrote a book called “The Question of Elites” that graduate students are required to buy, explaining how in the end, DNA that was considered superior in accomplishments, doesn’t ever matter -it’s the WILL of the person that does.
The Bible tells the tale of mankind repetitively falling en masse into evil, with only a tiny remnant that denounces that evil.
The loan response is the result of a massive generational gap in financial realities. Boomers can't even conceptualize the hopelessness of a very real post apocalyptic barren financial landscape.
Laws and consequences are made and changed in reaction to public opinion. That's the one critique I will make of this segment. Use that reality, relentlessly and without mercy, to your advantage.
public opinion can be manipulated
when a criminal point a gun to your face, you will want traditional values that protect your existance, people that defend gray morality want the benefit of traditional morality making sure you will have clean water for example, but they believe making death threats to the guy that work making sure you have clean water is a good thing because is cool, the idea of people rejecting to help who is abusing them is not taken in consideration in these debates.
If you’ve ever had children, this is an easy answer….
We're *capable* of doing good. We're *inclined* to do evil through selfishness/laziness/carelessness. Doing good requires a conscious effort; it's easier not to bother.
I thought gen z was getting more based.
The conservative gen z are
The Catholic would say human's are basically good with one caveat, yes, we were created GOOD, if you say otherwise you are calling God a liar, who called His creation, "good." BUT, we are fallen from original sin and the concupiscence that lingers as a result of our sin. So the Catholic woman is right.
Genz women, yes. Gen z men, nope.
Only racist right wing men.
@@teoleno4019put on your mask
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We need to know how many were men vs women.
I consider all people to be evil until they prove otherwise. Most people have yet to prove me wrong. I'm not Gen Z but expecting the other guy to be a bad guy is wise. Judge them based on what they do because talk is cheap and your actions tell who and what you are. Sexual deviance is a major red flag that you might be someone I want to avoid.
So basically honor is dead.
Not to me.
The Judeo-Christian framework says that website born inherently evil and that is why we need God. God didn’t make us that way, but we are born that way due to original sin.
Harry Potter vs Voldemort. There’s a difference between asking if people are inherently good vs evil. I don’t think they’re good or evil. They have the capacity to be both. The choices we make shape us as much as our nature and environment. People can overcome or give into any of them.
They lie so easily. Like, to your face about things that you literally witnessed happen just now, in the moment.
its interesting that conservatives call you a leftists if you dont agree with all their points and leftists call u a conservative if u dont agree with one of their points ..:)
That'd be because they are a group and groups have defined guidelines or beliefs. If they didn't they wouldn't need a name to distinguish the idea.....
If you are a "vegan" but eat meat once a week are you really a vegan....
@@Grimkeeper17 strawman arguments like this are why Gen Z don't care about either side no more crodie
I actually think people are more spiritual these days just not within orthodoxy. People don't like the power structure of the church, any church. I wouldn't say they aren't Christian they just aren't a specific brand of christianity.
A lot of them go to non-denominational new age Christian ✝️ Churches that care more about acceptance and forgiveness.
@johndurham6172 if so that definitely an issue that'll have a slew of negative effects for future generations. If people these days are having identity crisis like we've never seen before I could only imagine how that'd ramp up I'm the future.
Also at 4:10 ish- because I’m not a crybaby when other people do things at a party they throw that I don’t like because I know I’m not attending.
...Once again but in ENGLISH please?
My take is people are inherently ignorant
Gen Z will fall into serfdom
There’s truth in pride becoming before a fall.
in ancient texts in India, it says your soul is good of the light but the mind is of darkness "illusion"
Which is why they are depressed.
Gen - Z is very depressed as a group. And millennials to an extent as well.
They are depressed because they have been constantly told they don't have a future and even over their short lives, they've seen a steep decline in society.
@@jacob-2271 I agree! But we mustn’t give up and give into nihilism. My generation (millennials) also has this problem. We can acknowledge problems without allowing them to make us pessimistic- but easier said than done.
The age thing is is because they couldn’t interview people under 18
My brother is gen z and he’s very much church going. I’m a millennial and completely denounced religion I believe in spirituality. So their may be some truth to that.
I’m Gen Z and I accept traditional morality.
No. Nobody is born good.
We are all born a blank slate that has to be taught to be good or evil.
Even taught to be one, conditions through life can change you to the opposite.
The amount of assumption here is disgusting from generational norms to religious views... "original sin" religion does not view people as generally good quite the opposite.
Then Gen Z is the enemy.
Douglas Adams predicted it.
When you're raised on bread and circuses, you're likely to become a clown.
When you say gen z are returning to church, I love how vague you are about it. How you don't specifically point out how a majority of the zoomers returning to church, are weak-willed, coping, incel zooms. You know the ones with a 'it's not my fault I can't get laid! It's society's fault! And those pesky women!'. And I give a caveat there is something wrong with the general culture of women, but it's not this, it's a general narcissism brought on by the princess treatment combined with social media.
Morals make society better.
Just writing off Gen X.
As everyone should.
So, if people are inherently bad, does that mean those with a natural want to help others (occasional bystanders, medical professionals, teachers, etc) are outliers?
Concupiscence? Thank you Mary! I learned something today.
lol no one is gonna get married from Gen Z
So how is this rejecting traditional values? Seems like they are moving towards that
The founding fathers of America understood it well: people have the capacity for good and evil. We have both. We act on both at different times. Generation after generation we learned and figured out mortal sin and morality and learned it through tradition. There was a reason for that. For someone living now to just dismiss thousands of years of people learning the hard way the best way to live is just narcissism run amuck.
Sad reality is bad people get rewarded in life meanwhile good people get taken advantaged of and screwed over
Boomers believe naturally good because they were prosperous and raised with emphasis on mercy and love. Read a latin missal a good chunk is just I'm unworthy to even read the gospel, I'm sinful it's only through mercy I can approach the alter, please have mercy and let this fix my sinful heart etc.
The Church inadvertently conflated a social norm with Biblical laws. Pre-Marital sex was never specified as a sin. Many English translations used the word "fornication" (which was very specific) despite the actual translation being "sexual immorality" (which is more commonly, and correctly, used) which is a reference to previously established lists of sins that were sexual in nature. In society, girls were sold by their fathers as wives and this was a source of income to sustain the family. Because a new item is always more valuable than a used one, virginity began to be something to protect as they could sell her for more if she was a virgin. This was not really a "moral" thing, however obeying your mother and father WAS a commandment and if your Father commanded you to stay pure...then disobeying him would therefore be a sin.
Wait… when you say Gen Z are you taking about men or women because studies have shown that they are on two opposite sides of the spectrum in beliefs.
People are inherently selfish. Good and Evil are just the interpretations of the results of the selfish decisions.
Look up psychological warfare! And 5th generation warfare! Understand what's really happening to America!😑
This generation is not only hard work averse. They are morally bankrupt.
Perhaps our definitions for good and bad are still too vague. Morality is still mostly undefined
All behavioral traits are heritable.
In the end, we are whatever we need to be in order to survive. Whether that dictates we do good or evil.
Yes, Douglas Murray pointed out that people today are trying to recreate the civil rights movement because they are bored and purposeless.
Mary, aren’t you Christian? We all fall short of the glory of God
and its why everything is going down the toilet as well
The oldest Gen - Z is about 27-28 years old.