Thanks for the kind words. It's nice to hear you are liking the simplicity, spaciousness and weather protection of the X-Mid Pro 1 for just 1 lbs. Regarding the floor, it uses 15D nylon fabric which is pretty common on ultralight tents (e.g. light tents from MSR, Big Agnes, Mountain Hardware etc also commonly use 15D). It is a light fabric for sure and does need a bit of thoughtfulness (or a groundsheet) but it's not crazy light/delicate like the lightest floors out there such as the 7D floors that Gossamer Gear uses and the 0.5oz DCF floors that Big Agnes uses. We find about half of people prefer to use a groundsheet with these tents.
It really bums me out about the gossamer gear DCF version. Their normal silnylon tent has 10D floor then they drop that to 7D for the DCF one. I’d opt for the extra weight for a slightly more robust floor tbh Looking forward to nabbing one of your tents!
@@BackpackingTV I backpack with my German Shepherd and I use the BigAgnes Copper Spur UL3 (occasionally my wife joins me lol), I use a footprint under the tent and I lay some Tyvek on the inside floor to protect the thin ripstop material
@durstongear thanks for the Solid series Dan. As a mostly winter backpacker, it’s exactly what I was looking for. The Kakwa 55 is also on my wishlist. You seem to design stuff just when I’m looking for it lol.
My X-mid (silpoly not droopy nylon) is the first tent to bring me down from hanging in the trees! Can't wait for my Kakwa40 to arrive. Is there a company that makes a mummy sleep pad starting at 25"? Noticed REI selling Mystery Ranch packs. While well made, a Mystery Ranch pack reminds me of the opening scene from Get Smart. You have to loosen straps, then open clips, then zippers to access a compartment. Waiting for the snaps, buttons, and velcro closures next :)
When I was a Boy Scout, I earned the money and paid $20. 00 for a top of the line canvas pup tent, with a sewn in floor. Dry, it weighed 12 pounds. Wet, it weighed 20 pounds. Things have changed a bit. Good things were that it kept me warm and dry, especially in the summer (smiling). You couldn’t see through it, heh, heh. Well, it sagged in the rain, but didn’t leak. It sagged in the dry too. I put it on the outside of my canvas pack because it rolled up too big. I earned it. Whew! One camporee, after a weekend of rain, I came home and weighed my ruck. It weighed 106 pounds. Shaking my head…
LOL When I was a Boy Scout, I saved up my mom's green stamps and bought a canvas tent w/ no floor or door, a sleeping bag, mess kit, orange AL frame backpack and I was kitted out man! (1971) One night, we were camping in N GA and it poured. I had pitched on a slope and had rolled downhill, pulling the stakes out and woke up in a mud puddle. Yeah, bulletproof.
The Big Agnes Copper Spur tents can be pitched with the rain fly first, then the inner underneath. I’ve pitched it in the rain several times and the inner stayed dry.
Thank you for the time and effort to review for us. Love the weight. As a female hiker that strips down to wash up in my tent, not so much loving the see through material.😮
The translucency depends quite a bit on the lighting outside. In bright sunlight DCF is more translucent, whereas in the duller light of the evening it is quite a bit less see thru.
I was an early convert to the X-Mid when the Gen 1 X-Mid 1P released on Drop. I was able to get one on the second or third drop and love it. I made a Tyvek footprint for it and still use it. I've had it for 4 years. Even the original 1P (silpoly, double walled) is light at just under 2 lbs (29 oz). The design is so intelligent and so stable. The interior feels bigger than it is because, while the mesh sleeping area is narrow, the mesh is not confining. It feels like you have the entire space under the fly for your living area. If you take the inner out, it really is very spacious. That sense of space remains with the inner installed. The vestibules are plenty big, and there's 2 of them, for an ultralight tent. I am 6' 2", so finding a light/ultralight tent had been a challenge. Most brands save weight by making the tent shorter. That's fine for many hikers, but I can't fit on an 86" long floor ... especially if it's single walled. Dynema is not in my budget, and a 2 lb tent is ultralight for me. No matter what version of this tent you get (regular vs. Pro), it's an amazing shelter.
Thats cold bro, I would end up like Dan if I came out there with you. Joking... My MSR Freelight failed in the snow, I like Six Moon Design Trekking pole Tent and if I had the money WOW this looks amazing. Thats not $700 though like some
I can't wait to receive my X-Mid Pro 1 and I did order the footprint for the added protection. Like you I like the Bridger 65 and have been a fan of Dana Gleason since I purchased a Dana Designs, Arcflex Terraplane in the early 80s. I used that pack for over 20yrs especially when I was carrying a ton of camera gear because it carried the weight so well.
I just got the Pro 2 version earlier this month and took it on an overnight trip last weekend. My first impressions are overwhelmingly positive. The pitch is super easy and there is a ton of interior space. The vestibules have tons of space for gear also. With regard to "flimsiness" I didn't really find the floor to be any different than other tents I've tried but maybe that's just me. I do need to get used to the DCF though because I found myself babying it and being worried about stretching it out when I was pitching it.
8:27 to be clear, you can set up a double-wall, freestanding tent fly first, as long as the poles are just clipped or tied to the tent (if you have to run the poles through sleeves this wouldn’t work). You do need the footprint, and it is a bit awkward to clip or tie the tent in place but it’s do-able.
How cool! Fun to see you with the X-mid Pro. I picked up the X-mid Pro 2 last year and have really been loving it. Tried it in Joshua Tree, Catalina Island, and the San Mateo Wilderness so far and it has performed really well for me. The wind in JT definitely gave it a run for its money though!😆 Not sure if you've tried the Xtherm NXT yet, but man...that thing is way more comfortable than I thought it was going to be. I have some heavier pads because I really prioritize comfort (side sleeper). Just bought the brand new version of the Xtherm for the warmth, but the NXT changes really took it over the top for me on the comfort side of things. Not wildly noisy either. Previously kinda hated the Xtherm and Xlite, ha! Love the videos and good to hear the X-mid has been nice in the snow for you (haven't tried that yet).
I have been looking at getting the xmid pro 2 but I don’t think I can wait for it so I’m going to get the xmid 2. I just bought a Waymark evlv ultra with a 6 week lead time. I’m going to try ultra light backpacking for a while because i get plantar fasciitis. I’m getting a tyvek footprint for my tent.
X-Mid 1 user of one year and my first foray into trekking pole tents. I am very happy with the non-pro version being new into backpacking as the pro was out of the range I wanted to initially spend. The 2 had too much room for me solo backpacking and the 1 hits the sweet spot. I do like having my pack inside my tent so I was thinking of cutting my sleeping pad down to save weight and use my bag under my legs. The non-pro also has the advantage of a clip in inner tent so you can pitch it just a just over a 1lb fly with a tyvek groundsheet
I have a 3FUL Lanshan 1 and a 2, I like both of those for different hikes. They are very light and high quality for the price. One day I might get a Durston if I can afford it without thinking about it.
Excellent review. Love the tent. Design seems similar to the High Route. I currently own version one of the High Route that I use for solo fishing/hunting trips. IF I can wear it out, I believe this would be an excellent upgrade just due to materials used, which cuts the weight almost in half, but double the price!
Best stake for snow is: get a short stick (about 4-6 inches long, and about 1/2 thick) put a deep notch in the middle, tie or loop your tie-down where the stake usually goes) the bury that perpendicular to the tent. It’s very secure and all you need to do to remove the tie-down or loop is just give it a firm tug and the stick will break.
It’s an amazing tent. But what would really be amazing is a dyneema fly with a solid inner. Hope Dan gives us that option one day. Double walled can’t be beat.
Converted from USD to CAD that tent is almost a mortgage payment for me 😆. I do like the Mystery Ranch backpack. One day I will have cool gear too! haha.
Yeah it's all pricey stuff. But accumulate what you can. I spent well over a decade hauling super bulky gear. I'm slowly upgrading all my components and it's a joy!
Just ordered the X-Mid 2 non pro version! Not an ultralight hiker by any means but do want to save weight where I can. Excited to give it a try and hoping I don’t feel cramped as a 6’3” guy.
I bought an X-mid Pro 1 and am looking forward to trying it out. I may bring a Nemo Tensor pad over my usual standard NeoAir X-lite. The weight savings of the tent may make it easier to carry a heavier and more comfortable sleep system. I really value my sleep, so this is a thing I am trying out. (I live in Florida, so the Tensor is decent enough for R-value/heat usually for my trips in the Southeast US).
You love the pro but being a non-UL guy I would recommend getting the X-Mid 2p mesh for summer and the solid for winter. Double walled, zero issues with condensation.
Another great video, Eric. I love the Mystery Ranch Bridger packs (someday I'll buy one). Thanks for helping us to decide which gear is best for us. We get to experience each piece of equipment vicariously through your reviews and demonstrated experiences. Sharing with us the pros and cons and, especially, the price helps immensely.
I did notice that Mystery Ranch has the Bridger 45L listed on their site as 4.4lbs. Not 3.8? As mentioned in this video. The Bridger 35L is listed at 3.7lbs. Just knit picking 😊😊😊 Take Care love the videos.
Just FYI, we can visually tell from the video, but I didn’t hear you say, and I didn’t see it in the description, whether this was the 1P or 2p. My X-Mid Pro 1P will arrive next week and I’m so excited! I’m glad to see your review, it confirms the pros and cons. The cons aren’t really cons to me. I’m an older gal, the lighter weight gear keeps me going. Great video!
I’d like to hear your comparison between the Shadow Light 45 and Bridger 45. Looking at them both and trying to decide if weight should be the deciding factor. I’d be looking at a base weight of about 14 lbs with the shadow light.
Go with the gossamer gear 1/8 ground pad instead. Cut it in half put half inside your pack along your back and put the other half outside along your back so you can use it for a sit pad!
@durstongear any chance of there being a slightly wider tent in the works for people who would like to bring 2x 25inch pads, or is there any potential of a 3p durston x-mid coming into production?
The Mystery Ranch backpack specs say it's 4.4 lbs, not 3.5 lbs as you mention. That's insanely heavy for a 45 liter pack. The 65 l Osprey Atmos is 4.5 lbs. Far better options there. The Osprey Exos 48 is 2.6 lbs and just as good.
Hello from Winslow (yes the one with the Corner). I've just got my gear figured out and backyard tested and when the weather gets warmer I'll start out doing hiking/camping around Northern Az; especially the Mogollon Rim to Chavez Pass area. That said, got any recommendations for trails in the Sedona area?
The gossamer gear trekking pole tents are also awesome! All the same benefits but without the durston attention to detail. I have the two and my full setup groundsheet and all is just under two pounds. It was only $400 “only” still better than $600
Stoked to see you talk about the Mystery Ranch Bridger. I love their packs and have been eyeing the Bridger packs in particular for a backpacking pack. Its nice to see that there are still some companies making durable packs and not completely overtaken by the ultralight craze. Having a pack that can actually take some abuse and you know will last for years is very important to me. I will gladly carry some extra weight to have a sturdy pack with tough fabric, substantial straps/belt, and frame sheet.
did you have trouble venting your Thor tent?. I have one old version and the new. The new doesn't vent well at all. Moisture builds under the fly and ends up falling through the vents in the inner tent. I'm thinking about cutting the snow skirts off of most of the rainfly except the vestibules. I think the webbing for the poles is cutting down the airflow
Another great video! Thank you. So, the question is...I am in CO and in the mts a lot and concerned about a trekking pole tent due to the ground being so solid. How has your experience been using this in the mts with rocky ground (hard to get stakes in)? I opted for the BA Copper Spur 1HV and am wondering if I should have gone this route (would love to get away from nylon if I could). Thanks for any comments/replies.
Ok I get the weight but for me in the UK winter winds blowing through the tent would be a deal breaker also spin drift snow being blown in another negative the xmid solid for 3 season would be better for me
You can also leave the inflation bag attached to the air mattress, and use a chip bag clip or something similar to keep the air inlet closed, and use it as a pillow.
I can’t wait to get my X-Mid 2P Pro. And I second your recommendation of the Nemo Tensor mats, I have one for winter and one for summer, they’re the best I’ve tried.
Great review. I would love a dyneema tent but probably would opt for a single-pole style because I usually like to use a trekking pole when the water source for a campsite is a bit of a hike down a trail from the site itself.
I have an 800gm 3-person dyneema tent and it's great. It doesn't absorb water but does catch condensation so a tall person's sleeping bag will touch the walls and get wet.
I have had one for a while now- Tested it out on the Skye Trail (Scotland) in October and a few other Scottish trails since. This is not a good tent in windy environments. It is also very prone to abrasion on the bottom.... Indeed mine has ripped in one place, necessitating repairs and reinforcing elsewhere. For the cost of it, i think its not value for money and would not recommend it over something like say, the ZPacks Duplex. The bathtub btw is very thin and inspires no confidence at all.
Hi Dave. Sorry hear about your issues. The floor fabric on the X-Mid Pro is a 15D nylon which is widely used on a lot of ultralight tents (e.g. most light models from MSR, Big Agnes etc use similar) and it is higher abrasion and puncture resistance than a DCF floor like the Duplex (DCF is great for tear strength but not abrasion), but it is still a light material that is a tradeoff between weight and durability, so we do offer groundsheets for use on harsher surfaces. What damage happened to your floor? I know you experienced damage, but compared to the Duplex floor the X-Mid Pro 2 floor does have improved abrasion and puncture resistance, while having a much smaller packed size (1.0oz DCF is very thick and thus adds bulk), and it can be recoated to re-waterproof it in the future unlike DCF. It also helps us make the price a bit lower. For wind performance, these tents are quite popular in Scotland and the UK an most people report quite good wind performance, but it does need to be pitched well and additional guylines added as the conditions warrant. What issues in the wind did you have? As it compares to the Duplex, I think the X-Mid Pro has a lot of stormworthiness advantages like a full coverage fly that ends low to the ground (vs a large gap), dual peak vents to reduce condensation (vs no vents), fly zippers for greater rigidity and ease of use (vs clip system). It also is more user friendly with a simpler pitch, no poles in the doorway, inner doors don't fall on the ground etc.
How do you like this tent and the two person version vs the Gossamer Gear The One or The Two? And do you think either of them are durable enough to last multiple seasons? I know I’d have to be more careful with ultralight stuff, but like how delicate is delicate? The Copper Spur seems pretty delicate itself and that’s a mainstream tent.
I just got my X-Mid Pro 1 in the mail. Nice tent. I set it up in my living room with duct tape (deep snow outside) and yes it sets up very easily and fast. How easily it sets up to me is its best feature. Also, having dual doors will make ventilation when hiking in deserts very nice. However, for anyone considering this tent it is a 1 person tent. PERIOD. I think it is perfect for those that are doing hikes like the PCT, where pitching your tent and just going to sleep is the reality. Otherwise get the Pro 2. There is no room for your pack inside, but heaps of room in either vestibule. If Dan had the Pro 2 in stock I might be tempted to ask for a switch, but maybe not? I think it is the perfect tent for long distance walking, where one is one the go for weeks or months at a time. Can't wait to use it on the desert portion of the PCT this May. I also like the suggestion that someone made to use ones 1/8" pad as a ground sheet under the tent. Makes total sense to me. A final also, I don't count the weight of my trekking poles in my tent weight because I'd bring them along even if I had a tent with poles. Another final thought: that version 2 of this tent could be a few inches wider, maybe a 1.5 person-ish tent? Conclusion: Amazing tent, worth the money if you can afford it.
First of all, welcome to the Dark Side. I look forward to your videos showing how to brush your teeth with sticks on the trail. On the tent, if you haven't seen those magnet closures before, it's because you haven't seen Henry Shire's Tarptent designs who've been doing that for years. Speaking of Tarptent, the "revolutionary" asymmetrical design of that shelter appears to be "heavily inspired" by the Stratospire model. I'm glad to see he honored their patent on the corner struts which add a lot more head and toe room (and a little weight) to the interior to the Tarptent Stratospire design, though.
Magnets were around on tents for a long longer than Tarptent, but yes Henry deserves credit for popularizing them. With regard to the design, there is a visual resemblance but the X-Mid and Stratospire are substantially different, as even Henry has said. The Stratospire model starts from the standard hexagon based tent design (e.g. Duplex) and angles the ridgeline while also adding struts. It's unique and a nice design, but quite different from the X-Mid which is a rectangle based tent (this changes everything - seams, panels, slopes). The X-Mid does use a diagonal ridgeline but also unique has a diagonal floor (the Stratospire floor is not diagonal) so the X-Mid is the first double diagonal tent. The nice thing with the rectangle based design is that it greatly simplifies the pitch and naturally generates more volume to solve the need for struts. So you have similar room yet easier pitch while saving quite a bit of weight in struts and seams.
Im planning to get a xmid 2 for this season to try out and been watching everything I can on these! Although I am leaning towards the solid to use for some late season hunts too! Glad to hear your thoughts on it, been subbed for a while to your content :)
Welcome to the X-Mid club! I will warn you that a wide square pad means more surface area exposed. If you are using a minimal quilt, then a lot of the pad is exposed to the cold air instead of your body heat or covered up by the insulation of the sleeping bag/quilt. Which is why I use the Nemo Tensor Alpine mummy shape combined with a closed cell pad.
Been watching your content for awhile now and thought I was a subscriber. Suddenly realized I was not and corrected that oversight. As always good stuff! That tent looks great! If I were a tent camper I'd probably look into it, but I switched over to a hammock years ago and have never looked back. Do you have any insights as to what's the latest and greatest in the hammocking world?
The price kills me but if I did more solo treks I am sure the weight saving would be nice. Being that I hike with my wife the 3p tent is ideal for us and we can share the load or split up weight a bit to make us more comfortable
DCF is actually a lot more "sticky" for snow than silnylon or silpolyester, so all else being equal DCF tents tend to have more snow accumulation problems. And NO tent needs a footprint- that's an industry scam. Don't walk on your tent floor in shoes, and if you do get a pinhole in it just wipe a drop of silicone sealant over it.
Get strap extensions to make ur sleep pad straps on the pack longer. It's what I do. I news wayyyy long straps and I hate how companies don't make straps long enough. So many companies don't it's crazy like why not!!!? We can decide if we don't want to use the length whether tucking them away or cutting them. Anyways extend ur straps. Let me know if u need help tracking down these. Be well sir!
I'm not a trekking pole tent person, but if I were, the Durston is the tent I would buy. Just hits everything. Greetings from a fellow Parsec user as well.
Go ultralight with your backpack and you won't look back either! If you like having a top loader pocket, then wait until you ditch that for a fanny pack - errr hip pack if you want to be hip! It shifts more weight off your shoulders and balances you more since the weight is moved to the front.
How do you feel about the freestanding vs semi? I'm curious! I've never liked the thought of needing to stake and tension a tent at the end of a long day. A freestanding tent can just pop up without worrying about stakes unless it's windy. I have been loving the Alpkit Soloist, which is a sub-$200 2.6lb freestanding tent.
Great video! You can avoid having a separate ground sheet, when putting the thin foam mat below the tent bottom. That also avoids slipping with the two mats over each other. Try it out, I love it that way :-)
This looks like a very nice tent but the price seems pretty extreme. If you are a solo backpacker, for several hundred less you can get the black diamond distance tent that weighs roughly the same, is more durable. Just a thought if $600+ is a bit out of your price range. I got the distance tent on sale for 200 some years ago and it has served me great in over 30 mights so far.
The Black Diamond is not the same weight. It's twice the weight. Not in the same league. People who buy this are counting every ounce. I don't really care to save a pound as I would rather get a slightly heavier, but more robust tent. Not to mention the see through factor of Dyneema.
Lol, I’ll say it again, xmid pro 2 is the zpacks killer. Xmid is light, but because it addresses ALL the issues, Zpacks refused to fix, I guess, or just disregarded user feedback. The zpacks door is the worse design ever, how can a delicate tent door be laying on a floor where u enter /exit, it’s a recipe for damage, the back splash in bad weather enters the tent, you need a at least 6 stakes to stand, the vestibule doors are closed with toggle and loops……they need to fix that door, first….
This tent gets water splash in heavy rain. It also needs more than 4 stakes. Yes you can get by with 4 but that’s not optimal. This tent actually has a lot of flaws. It’s a good tent, but far from perfect and far from the best in its class. Hell, the small side of the door doesn’t even have a way to secure it when the vestibule is unzipped.
@@Ryan-yi5ro I hiked with a friend who has that exact tent. We went on a trip with heavy rain. It got splash back rain inside and that his number one issue with the tent. And to say it’s regarded as the best in the market is laughable. That’s a disingenuous comment at best.
@@MoeBergOSS Then obviously set up wrong as it's impossible to get splash back when the fly is so low to the ground and the tent has such huge vestibules. Endless videos with everyone in the industry saying the same thing. There is literally no other tent on the market that even compares. 🤦🏻
So here's the thing, all these ultralight fabrics are great, but if you have to carry a ground sheet the weight savings diminish. Same for those hammock sleepers who brag about their light weight. if you have to carry a tarp for rain protection and an under quilt for warmth, the weight isn't saving much over a tent and traditional sleeping bag.
Groundsheet people carry one regardless of tent weight. Most like the clean rollup spot it provides as well as protection. Plenty 30d floor people use one and plenty 15d floor people dont use one. And a 2oz polycryo sheet for a 1p isnt changing much
I like the sea to summit pump sacks better than the nemo, but I like nemo second best! The big Agnes ones are awful... Donno how they keep missing the memo on how to make a working pump sack.
It's a little strange that a lot of these trekking pole tent companies don't include the trekking pole weight as they say you'll be carrying it anyway. But then they'll compare the tent's weight sans poles with freestanding tents with poles.
the Nemo Tensor is very comfy, but not very durable, I've owned two (first gen and the newest gen), but they only latest less than a week for each. Switched to the Big Agnes Rapide SL, a little nosier than the Tensor but just as comfortable, the ripstop nylon used in the pad feels a lot more durable than the polyester material used in the Tensor. great video, I've been waiting for a in depth review of the x-mid pro.
Durston (X-Mid) cloned this tent from the Sierra Designs - High Route 3000 1P 🙂 Sierra Designs - High Route Was realised in 2016 and xmid came out 2018
"Dan experimented with geometry and invented a new style of tent." In the early 80s my tent was literally almost exactly like that. In fact, most tents were designed like this.
Thanks for the kind words. It's nice to hear you are liking the simplicity, spaciousness and weather protection of the X-Mid Pro 1 for just 1 lbs.
Regarding the floor, it uses 15D nylon fabric which is pretty common on ultralight tents (e.g. light tents from MSR, Big Agnes, Mountain Hardware etc also commonly use 15D). It is a light fabric for sure and does need a bit of thoughtfulness (or a groundsheet) but it's not crazy light/delicate like the lightest floors out there such as the 7D floors that Gossamer Gear uses and the 0.5oz DCF floors that Big Agnes uses. We find about half of people prefer to use a groundsheet with these tents.
I love the tent so much! Thanks for the additional info on the floor, makes total sense.
It really bums me out about the gossamer gear DCF version. Their normal silnylon tent has 10D floor then they drop that to 7D for the DCF one. I’d opt for the extra weight for a slightly more robust floor tbh
Looking forward to nabbing one of your tents!
@@BackpackingTV I backpack with my German Shepherd and I use the BigAgnes Copper Spur UL3 (occasionally my wife joins me lol), I use a footprint under the tent and I lay some Tyvek on the inside floor to protect the thin ripstop material
@durstongear thanks for the Solid series Dan. As a mostly winter backpacker, it’s exactly what I was looking for. The Kakwa 55 is also on my wishlist. You seem to design stuff just when I’m looking for it lol.
My X-mid (silpoly not droopy nylon) is the first tent to bring me down from hanging in the trees! Can't wait for my Kakwa40 to arrive.
Is there a company that makes a mummy sleep pad starting at 25"?
Noticed REI selling Mystery Ranch packs. While well made, a Mystery Ranch pack reminds me of the opening scene from Get Smart. You have to loosen straps, then open clips, then zippers to access a compartment. Waiting for the snaps, buttons, and velcro closures next :)
When I was a Boy Scout, I earned the money and paid $20. 00 for a top of the line canvas pup tent, with a sewn in floor. Dry, it weighed 12 pounds. Wet, it weighed 20 pounds. Things have changed a bit. Good things were that it kept me warm and dry, especially in the summer (smiling). You couldn’t see through it, heh, heh. Well, it sagged in the rain, but didn’t leak. It sagged in the dry too. I put it on the outside of my canvas pack because it rolled up too big. I earned it. Whew! One camporee, after a weekend of rain, I came home and weighed my ruck. It weighed 106 pounds. Shaking my head…
Think I had that same tent as a kid. Lol
I am in the scouts right now and saving up for a nice dyneema tent.
LOL When I was a Boy Scout, I saved up my mom's green stamps and bought a canvas tent w/ no floor or door, a sleeping bag, mess kit, orange AL frame backpack and I was kitted out man! (1971) One night, we were camping in N GA and it poured. I had pitched on a slope and had rolled downhill, pulling the stakes out and woke up in a mud puddle. Yeah, bulletproof.
106 Pounds!?!? You must have been quite fit to carry that around.
Papa Jeff; been there done that, got the merit badge lol
The Big Agnes Copper Spur tents can be pitched with the rain fly first, then the inner underneath. I’ve pitched it in the rain several times and the inner stayed dry.
That's good to know. I know sometimes it's technically possible to do it but logistically annoying. Do you find it reasonably easy to do that?
21:51 to make the strap longer. Unthread the folded end and sew some paracord at the end for pulling. About 3 inches gained.
Thank you for the time and effort to review for us. Love the weight. As a female hiker that strips down to wash up in my tent, not so much loving the see through material.😮
The translucency depends quite a bit on the lighting outside. In bright sunlight DCF is more translucent, whereas in the duller light of the evening it is quite a bit less see thru.
It's a factor worth considering! But yeah this was also in super bright conditions being backlit, so it was at it's most translucent.
I was an early convert to the X-Mid when the Gen 1 X-Mid 1P released on Drop. I was able to get one on the second or third drop and love it. I made a Tyvek footprint for it and still use it. I've had it for 4 years. Even the original 1P (silpoly, double walled) is light at just under 2 lbs (29 oz). The design is so intelligent and so stable. The interior feels bigger than it is because, while the mesh sleeping area is narrow, the mesh is not confining. It feels like you have the entire space under the fly for your living area. If you take the inner out, it really is very spacious. That sense of space remains with the inner installed. The vestibules are plenty big, and there's 2 of them, for an ultralight tent.
I am 6' 2", so finding a light/ultralight tent had been a challenge. Most brands save weight by making the tent shorter. That's fine for many hikers, but I can't fit on an 86" long floor ... especially if it's single walled. Dynema is not in my budget, and a 2 lb tent is ultralight for me. No matter what version of this tent you get (regular vs. Pro), it's an amazing shelter.
The pro cant be used with just the outer. It’s a a hybrid system.
Thats cold bro, I would end up like Dan if I came out there with you. Joking... My MSR Freelight failed in the snow, I like Six Moon Design Trekking pole Tent and if I had the money WOW this looks amazing. Thats not $700 though like some
I can't wait to receive my X-Mid Pro 1 and I did order the footprint for the added protection. Like you I like the Bridger 65 and have been a fan of Dana Gleason since I purchased a Dana Designs, Arcflex Terraplane in the early 80s. I used that pack for over 20yrs especially when I was carrying a ton of camera gear because it carried the weight so well.
My husband and I took the Durston Pro 2 tent on our thru-hike of the JMT last year and it was perfect!
Nice. Any Dyneema Tent is recommended to fold and roll, though.
I just got the Pro 2 version earlier this month and took it on an overnight trip last weekend. My first impressions are overwhelmingly positive. The pitch is super easy and there is a ton of interior space. The vestibules have tons of space for gear also. With regard to "flimsiness" I didn't really find the floor to be any different than other tents I've tried but maybe that's just me. I do need to get used to the DCF though because I found myself babying it and being worried about stretching it out when I was pitching it.
You can tell I'm still just used to tents that are two or three times the weight. But yeah I'm super impressed!
8:27 to be clear, you can set up a double-wall, freestanding tent fly first, as long as the poles are just clipped or tied to the tent (if you have to run the poles through sleeves this wouldn’t work). You do need the footprint, and it is a bit awkward to clip or tie the tent in place but it’s do-able.
So what is the difference between blowing directly into a pad versus blowing into a bag then the pad? You're still putting moisture in the pad.
How cool! Fun to see you with the X-mid Pro. I picked up the X-mid Pro 2 last year and have really been loving it. Tried it in Joshua Tree, Catalina Island, and the San Mateo Wilderness so far and it has performed really well for me. The wind in JT definitely gave it a run for its money though!😆 Not sure if you've tried the Xtherm NXT yet, but man...that thing is way more comfortable than I thought it was going to be. I have some heavier pads because I really prioritize comfort (side sleeper). Just bought the brand new version of the Xtherm for the warmth, but the NXT changes really took it over the top for me on the comfort side of things. Not wildly noisy either. Previously kinda hated the Xtherm and Xlite, ha! Love the videos and good to hear the X-mid has been nice in the snow for you (haven't tried that yet).
What’s the best tent for self pleasures in the backcountry?
One where people can't see you doing your 'self pleasures' inside.
I have been looking at getting the xmid pro 2 but I don’t think I can wait for it so I’m going to get the xmid 2.
I just bought a Waymark evlv ultra with a 6 week lead time.
I’m going to try ultra light backpacking for a while because i get plantar fasciitis.
I’m getting a tyvek footprint for my tent.
X-Mid 1 user of one year and my first foray into trekking pole tents. I am very happy with the non-pro version being new into backpacking as the pro was out of the range I wanted to initially spend. The 2 had too much room for me solo backpacking and the 1 hits the sweet spot. I do like having my pack inside my tent so I was thinking of cutting my sleeping pad down to save weight and use my bag under my legs. The non-pro also has the advantage of a clip in inner tent so you can pitch it just a just over a 1lb fly with a tyvek groundsheet
I have a 3FUL Lanshan 1 and a 2, I like both of those for different hikes. They are very light and high quality for the price. One day I might get a Durston if I can afford it without thinking about it.
Excellent review. Love the tent. Design seems similar to the High Route. I currently own version one of the High Route that I use for solo fishing/hunting trips. IF I can wear it out, I believe this would be an excellent upgrade just due to materials used, which cuts the weight almost in half, but double the price!
Best stake for snow is: get a short stick (about 4-6 inches long, and about 1/2 thick) put a deep notch in the middle, tie or loop your tie-down where the stake usually goes) the bury that perpendicular to the tent. It’s very secure and all you need to do to remove the tie-down or loop is just give it a firm tug and the stick will break.
Made me even more excited about my durston x-mid 2 pro. That's supposed to ship here soon. I ordered it months ago. So if anyone is wondering
Single wall tents are sick but I can’t get used to the noise factor trying to sleep. Condensation I could get used to. I like the BA HVUL2
Another great review. As I age, lighter equipment becomes more important. The Durston 2 man tent is on my wish list. Do you hear that Santa!
Thanks! And I guess that's motivation to be nice this year.
🎅 what?
It’s an amazing tent. But what would really be amazing is a dyneema fly with a solid inner. Hope Dan gives us that option one day. Double walled can’t be beat.
Love my Durston Pro 2. Great tent!
Converted from USD to CAD that tent is almost a mortgage payment for me 😆. I do like the Mystery Ranch backpack. One day I will have cool gear too! haha.
Yeah it's all pricey stuff. But accumulate what you can. I spent well over a decade hauling super bulky gear. I'm slowly upgrading all my components and it's a joy!
Love my Tarptent Notch LI, 19 oz double wall trekking pole tent, dyneema with full bugnet inset! Also uses the magnetic closures,
Just ordered the X-Mid 2 non pro version! Not an ultralight hiker by any means but do want to save weight where I can. Excited to give it a try and hoping I don’t feel cramped as a 6’3” guy.
I think you'll like it. My first time using Durston Gear was with the non-pro version and it's super solid.
I love my regular Xmid 2. 2.5 lbs is not too shabby!
I bought an X-mid Pro 1 and am looking forward to trying it out. I may bring a Nemo Tensor pad over my usual standard NeoAir X-lite. The weight savings of the tent may make it easier to carry a heavier and more comfortable sleep system.
I really value my sleep, so this is a thing I am trying out. (I live in Florida, so the Tensor is decent enough for R-value/heat usually for my trips in the Southeast US).
You love the pro but being a non-UL guy I would recommend getting the X-Mid 2p mesh for summer and the solid for winter. Double walled, zero issues with condensation.
Another great video, Eric. I love the Mystery Ranch Bridger packs (someday I'll buy one). Thanks for helping us to decide which gear is best for us. We get to experience each piece of equipment vicariously through your reviews and demonstrated experiences. Sharing with us the pros and cons and, especially, the price helps immensely.
I did notice that Mystery Ranch has the Bridger 45L listed on their site as 4.4lbs. Not 3.8? As mentioned in this video. The Bridger 35L is listed at 3.7lbs. Just knit picking 😊😊😊 Take Care love the videos.
Just FYI, we can visually tell from the video, but I didn’t hear you say, and I didn’t see it in the description, whether this was the 1P or 2p. My X-Mid Pro 1P will arrive next week and I’m so excited! I’m glad to see your review, it confirms the pros and cons. The cons aren’t really cons to me. I’m an older gal, the lighter weight gear keeps me going. Great video!
Pro 1
Glad to hear it! Yes it's the 1P and I think you'll really enjoy this!
I’d like to hear your comparison between the Shadow Light 45 and Bridger 45. Looking at them both and trying to decide if weight should be the deciding factor. I’d be looking at a base weight of about 14 lbs with the shadow light.
Go with the gossamer gear 1/8 ground pad instead. Cut it in half put half inside your pack along your back and put the other half outside along your back so you can use it for a sit pad!
@durstongear any chance of there being a slightly wider tent in the works for people who would like to bring 2x 25inch pads, or is there any potential of a 3p durston x-mid coming into production?
The Mystery Ranch backpack specs say it's 4.4 lbs, not 3.5 lbs as you mention. That's insanely heavy for a 45 liter pack. The 65 l Osprey Atmos is 4.5 lbs. Far better options there. The Osprey Exos 48 is 2.6 lbs and just as good.
Hello from Winslow (yes the one with the Corner). I've just got my gear figured out and backyard tested and when the weather gets warmer I'll start out doing hiking/camping around Northern Az; especially the Mogollon Rim to Chavez Pass area. That said, got any recommendations for trails in the Sedona area?
The gossamer gear trekking pole tents are also awesome! All the same benefits but without the durston attention to detail. I have the two and my full setup groundsheet and all is just under two pounds. It was only $400 “only” still better than $600
Assuming no condensation when you tear down, will you plan to keep the tent body clicked in for the next day's set up, rain or shine?
Stoked to see you talk about the Mystery Ranch Bridger. I love their packs and have been eyeing the Bridger packs in particular for a backpacking pack. Its nice to see that there are still some companies making durable packs and not completely overtaken by the ultralight craze. Having a pack that can actually take some abuse and you know will last for years is very important to me. I will gladly carry some extra weight to have a sturdy pack with tough fabric, substantial straps/belt, and frame sheet.
How does this tent do in providing "shelter" during all night strong gusty winds?
did you have trouble venting your Thor tent?. I have one old version and the new. The new doesn't vent well at all. Moisture builds under the fly and ends up falling through the vents in the inner tent. I'm thinking about cutting the snow skirts off of most of the rainfly except the vestibules. I think the webbing for the poles is cutting down the airflow
I'd be really interested in a review of a Hilleburg tent if you can get your hands on one!
Another great video! Thank you. So, the question is...I am in CO and in the mts a lot and concerned about a trekking pole tent due to the ground being so solid. How has your experience been using this in the mts with rocky ground (hard to get stakes in)? I opted for the BA Copper Spur 1HV and am wondering if I should have gone this route (would love to get away from nylon if I could). Thanks for any comments/replies.
Ok I get the weight but for me in the UK winter winds blowing through the tent would be a deal breaker also spin drift snow being blown in another negative the xmid solid for 3 season would be better for me
@BackpackingTV what is your view on having or using a ground cover like a tarp to pout your tent on ?
Pro 2 user and love it. Best designs ever, looking forward to version 2 of the Pro1
great to hear.
You can also leave the inflation bag attached to the air mattress, and use a chip bag clip or something similar to keep the air inlet closed, and use it as a pillow.
I can’t wait to get my X-Mid 2P Pro.
And I second your recommendation of the Nemo Tensor mats, I have one for winter and one for summer, they’re the best I’ve tried.
Great review. I would love a dyneema tent but probably would opt for a single-pole style because I usually like to use a trekking pole when the water source for a campsite is a bit of a hike down a trail from the site itself.
I have an 800gm 3-person dyneema tent and it's great. It doesn't absorb water but does catch condensation so a tall person's sleeping bag will touch the walls and get wet.
I have had one for a while now- Tested it out on the Skye Trail (Scotland) in October and a few other Scottish trails since. This is not a good tent in windy environments. It is also very prone to abrasion on the bottom.... Indeed mine has ripped in one place, necessitating repairs and reinforcing elsewhere. For the cost of it, i think its not value for money and would not recommend it over something like say, the ZPacks Duplex. The bathtub btw is very thin and inspires no confidence at all.
Hi Dave. Sorry hear about your issues. The floor fabric on the X-Mid Pro is a 15D nylon which is widely used on a lot of ultralight tents (e.g. most light models from MSR, Big Agnes etc use similar) and it is higher abrasion and puncture resistance than a DCF floor like the Duplex (DCF is great for tear strength but not abrasion), but it is still a light material that is a tradeoff between weight and durability, so we do offer groundsheets for use on harsher surfaces. What damage happened to your floor?
I know you experienced damage, but compared to the Duplex floor the X-Mid Pro 2 floor does have improved abrasion and puncture resistance, while having a much smaller packed size (1.0oz DCF is very thick and thus adds bulk), and it can be recoated to re-waterproof it in the future unlike DCF. It also helps us make the price a bit lower.
For wind performance, these tents are quite popular in Scotland and the UK an most people report quite good wind performance, but it does need to be pitched well and additional guylines added as the conditions warrant. What issues in the wind did you have?
As it compares to the Duplex, I think the X-Mid Pro has a lot of stormworthiness advantages like a full coverage fly that ends low to the ground (vs a large gap), dual peak vents to reduce condensation (vs no vents), fly zippers for greater rigidity and ease of use (vs clip system). It also is more user friendly with a simpler pitch, no poles in the doorway, inner doors don't fall on the ground etc.
I'm not a through hiker. Just a overnight or fee nights. I love the quick setup and lightweight of my x1p.
Reminder to roll (not stuff) your dyneema tents when storing - stuffing can cause the dyneema to delaminate over time!
How do you like this tent and the two person version vs the Gossamer Gear The One or The Two? And do you think either of them are durable enough to last multiple seasons? I know I’d have to be more careful with ultralight stuff, but like how delicate is delicate? The Copper Spur seems pretty delicate itself and that’s a mainstream tent.
I just got my X-Mid Pro 1 in the mail. Nice tent. I set it up in my living room with duct tape (deep snow outside) and yes it sets up very easily and fast. How easily it sets up to me is its best feature. Also, having dual doors will make ventilation when hiking in deserts very nice. However, for anyone considering this tent it is a 1 person tent. PERIOD. I think it is perfect for those that are doing hikes like the PCT, where pitching your tent and just going to sleep is the reality. Otherwise get the Pro 2. There is no room for your pack inside, but heaps of room in either vestibule. If Dan had the Pro 2 in stock I might be tempted to ask for a switch, but maybe not? I think it is the perfect tent for long distance walking, where one is one the go for weeks or months at a time. Can't wait to use it on the desert portion of the PCT this May. I also like the suggestion that someone made to use ones 1/8" pad as a ground sheet under the tent. Makes total sense to me. A final also, I don't count the weight of my trekking poles in my tent weight because I'd bring them along even if I had a tent with poles. Another final thought: that version 2 of this tent could be a few inches wider, maybe a 1.5 person-ish tent? Conclusion: Amazing tent, worth the money if you can afford it.
Just took mine out last night. Love it!
Untuk di Argopuro sangat cocok menggunakan tenda ini asalkan jangan set up tenda ini dekat spot kemping Cikasur 👍🏽😊
First of all, welcome to the Dark Side. I look forward to your videos showing how to brush your teeth with sticks on the trail. On the tent, if you haven't seen those magnet closures before, it's because you haven't seen Henry Shire's Tarptent designs who've been doing that for years. Speaking of Tarptent, the "revolutionary" asymmetrical design of that shelter appears to be "heavily inspired" by the Stratospire model. I'm glad to see he honored their patent on the corner struts which add a lot more head and toe room (and a little weight) to the interior to the Tarptent Stratospire design, though.
haha thanks! It's good to be here.
Magnets were around on tents for a long longer than Tarptent, but yes Henry deserves credit for popularizing them.
With regard to the design, there is a visual resemblance but the X-Mid and Stratospire are substantially different, as even Henry has said.
The Stratospire model starts from the standard hexagon based tent design (e.g. Duplex) and angles the ridgeline while also adding struts. It's unique and a nice design, but quite different from the X-Mid which is a rectangle based tent (this changes everything - seams, panels, slopes). The X-Mid does use a diagonal ridgeline but also unique has a diagonal floor (the Stratospire floor is not diagonal) so the X-Mid is the first double diagonal tent. The nice thing with the rectangle based design is that it greatly simplifies the pitch and naturally generates more volume to solve the need for struts. So you have similar room yet easier pitch while saving quite a bit of weight in struts and seams.
Ok disregard my last question…I should have waited until I watched the whole video…great job explaining everything 😎
YES to the magnetic clasps! EVERY TENT SHOULD HAVE THAT. I want one of these
Im planning to get a xmid 2 for this season to try out and been watching everything I can on these! Although I am leaning towards the solid to use for some late season hunts too! Glad to hear your thoughts on it, been subbed for a while to your content :)
That Bridger 35 looks sweet!
Dang ... Now I have to buy another pack ... My wife isn't going to be happy ... ;)
Those straps on the bottom will get longer if u un loop them from the molle loop holding it on the edge of the bottom.
I have overcome the buckle/strap issue with dog collars, even though I don't use that backpack, I think they would be quite usefull.
Welcome to the X-Mid club!
I will warn you that a wide square pad means more surface area exposed. If you are using a minimal quilt, then a lot of the pad is exposed to the cold air instead of your body heat or covered up by the insulation of the sleeping bag/quilt. Which is why I use the Nemo Tensor Alpine mummy shape combined with a closed cell pad.
What’s the link for that tent?
Been watching your content for awhile now and thought I was a subscriber. Suddenly realized I was not and corrected that oversight. As always good stuff! That tent looks great! If I were a tent camper I'd probably look into it, but I switched over to a hammock years ago and have never looked back. Do you have any insights as to what's the latest and greatest in the hammocking world?
Durston gear rocks! If you get a chance, try the Kakwa 55 Litre backpack!
I want to do the Tour Mont Blanc in 2024, I still think I would go with the 2 person, room for the dog and extra room for spreading out.
The price kills me but if I did more solo treks I am sure the weight saving would be nice. Being that I hike with my wife the 3p tent is ideal for us and we can share the load or split up weight a bit to make us more comfortable
DCF is actually a lot more "sticky" for snow than silnylon or silpolyester, so all else being equal DCF tents tend to have more snow accumulation problems. And NO tent needs a footprint- that's an industry scam. Don't walk on your tent floor in shoes, and if you do get a pinhole in it just wipe a drop of silicone sealant over it.
You should make a video where you go ultra light all the way
Get strap extensions to make ur sleep pad straps on the pack longer. It's what I do. I news wayyyy long straps and I hate how companies don't make straps long enough. So many companies don't it's crazy like why not!!!? We can decide if we don't want to use the length whether tucking them away or cutting them. Anyways extend ur straps. Let me know if u need help tracking down these. Be well sir!
It’s more see through than I thought it would be! Looks good though, of course.
I'm not a trekking pole tent person, but if I were, the Durston is the tent I would buy. Just hits everything.
Greetings from a fellow Parsec user as well.
Seems like all the youtube backpackers are in my state this month. Great weather to get out!
Love it . Will be getting one for myself!
Have you tried in snow storm?
This is the pack I was waiting for , now to save up and order it.
Thank you for another great video. Nice reviews. Thank you for creating this video.
I'm glad I could help, thanks!
Go ultralight with your backpack and you won't look back either! If you like having a top loader pocket, then wait until you ditch that for a fanny pack - errr hip pack if you want to be hip! It shifts more weight off your shoulders and balances you more since the weight is moved to the front.
Hi, maybe instead of unsung a footprint you could use tape, tape it under the tent to strengthen it
How do you feel about the freestanding vs semi? I'm curious!
I've never liked the thought of needing to stake and tension a tent at the end of a long day. A freestanding tent can just pop up without worrying about stakes unless it's windy.
I have been loving the Alpkit Soloist, which is a sub-$200 2.6lb freestanding tent.
Great video! You can avoid having a separate ground sheet, when putting the thin foam mat below the tent bottom. That also avoids slipping with the two mats over each other. Try it out, I love it that way :-)
This looks like a very nice tent but the price seems pretty extreme. If you are a solo backpacker, for several hundred less you can get the black diamond distance tent that weighs roughly the same, is more durable. Just a thought if $600+ is a bit out of your price range. I got the distance tent on sale for 200 some years ago and it has served me great in over 30 mights so far.
The Black Diamond is not the same weight. It's twice the weight. Not in the same league. People who buy this are counting every ounce. I don't really care to save a pound as I would rather get a slightly heavier, but more robust tent. Not to mention the see through factor of Dyneema.
If the magnet holding the flap is such a big deal why don't you just add that to your other tents? Seems like a pretty easy mod
Lol, I’ll say it again, xmid pro 2 is the zpacks killer. Xmid is light, but because it addresses ALL the issues, Zpacks refused to fix, I guess, or just disregarded user feedback. The zpacks door is the worse design ever, how can a delicate tent door be laying on a floor where u enter /exit, it’s a recipe for damage, the back splash in bad weather enters the tent, you need a at least 6 stakes to stand, the vestibule doors are closed with toggle and loops……they need to fix that door, first….
Yeah it's unbelievable that they haven't fixed that door design.
This tent gets water splash in heavy rain. It also needs more than 4 stakes. Yes you can get by with 4 but that’s not optimal. This tent actually has a lot of flaws. It’s a good tent, but far from perfect and far from the best in its class. Hell, the small side of the door doesn’t even have a way to secure it when the vestibule is unzipped.
@@MoeBergOSS Actually it gets zero splashback and is already regarded by everyone in the industry as the best tent on the market.
@@Ryan-yi5ro I hiked with a friend who has that exact tent. We went on a trip with heavy rain. It got splash back rain inside and that his number one issue with the tent.
And to say it’s regarded as the best in the market is laughable. That’s a disingenuous comment at best.
@@MoeBergOSS Then obviously set up wrong as it's impossible to get splash back when the fly is so low to the ground and the tent has such huge vestibules. Endless videos with everyone in the industry saying the same thing. There is literally no other tent on the market that even compares. 🤦🏻
Love that backpack. Can’t wait to buy one for me or my wife.
Pro 2 may be better for you, especially if you hit the trail together.
I was surprised at how much I liked the 45L model. Thought it would be too small for me, but it was great!
Dude, you rock!😁
Exped sleep pads never get any love. You should check them out and do a head to head with the tensor.
So here's the thing, all these ultralight fabrics are great, but if you have to carry a ground sheet the weight savings diminish. Same for those hammock sleepers who brag about their light weight. if you have to carry a tarp for rain protection and an under quilt for warmth, the weight isn't saving much over a tent and traditional sleeping bag.
Groundsheet people carry one regardless of tent weight. Most like the clean rollup spot it provides as well as protection. Plenty 30d floor people use one and plenty 15d floor people dont use one. And a 2oz polycryo sheet for a 1p isnt changing much
I like the sea to summit pump sacks better than the nemo, but I like nemo second best! The big Agnes ones are awful... Donno how they keep missing the memo on how to make a working pump sack.
Its not a one pound tent since u have to use trekking poles. U must include the weight of the trekking poles to get the true weight of the tent.
It's a little strange that a lot of these trekking pole tent companies don't include the trekking pole weight as they say you'll be carrying it anyway. But then they'll compare the tent's weight sans poles with freestanding tents with poles.
the Nemo Tensor is very comfy, but not very durable, I've owned two (first gen and the newest gen), but they only latest less than a week for each. Switched to the Big Agnes Rapide SL, a little nosier than the Tensor but just as comfortable, the ripstop nylon used in the pad feels a lot more durable than the polyester material used in the Tensor. great video, I've been waiting for a in depth review of the x-mid pro.
Durston (X-Mid) cloned this tent from the Sierra Designs - High Route 3000 1P 🙂 Sierra Designs - High Route Was realised in 2016 and xmid came out 2018
"Dan experimented with geometry and invented a new style of tent."
In the early 80s my tent was literally almost exactly like that. In fact, most tents were designed like this.
Sounds like it would be noisy in the wind
They're right at the top! The Keb and Keb Agile trousers are my definite go to hiking pants now.
@@BackpackingTV nobody like noisy pants!
Zpaks duplex with bigger bathtub gets by without a footprint for only 2 oz more