Tribe: On Homecoming and Belonging | Sebastian Junger | Talks at Google
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- Опубликовано: 5 май 2024
- Sebastian Junger visits Google to go into detail of combining history, psychology, and anthropology from his book, TRIBE. It explores what we can learn from tribal societies about loyalty, belonging, and the eternal human quest for meaning. It explains the irony that-for many veterans as well as civilians-war feels better than peace, adversity can turn out to be a blessing, and disasters are sometimes remembered more fondly than weddings or tropical vacations. TRIBE explains why we are stronger when we come together, and how that can be achieved even in today's divided world.
Get the book here: goo.gl/ET6HBH
Moderated by Jordan Thibodeau.
I never realized I was raised in a tribe. My uncle told me he thought of himself as a member of a tribe, he's a war veteran and very wise man. I never realized what he meant until now. When my parents got divorced my mother moved my brother and I back to Louisiana where she was raised on the land that my great great grandparents passed to us. We lived with my grandmother and my cousins and I grew up more like brothers and sisters and we lived down the street from each other. I remember how happy I was during that time of my life and every time I go back to visit I feel more connected to something meaningful. My people are descendants of the Marksville Culture and there are prehistoric mounds in our town that are similar to the Hopewell Culture. The people around you that care about you are your tribe and if you weren't here it would hurt them more than you know. So, think of yourself as more than just an individual because you mean something to somebody.
As someone who was part of real tribe of Hindukush (where Americans fought their Afghanistan war, but on Pakistan side of the border) I'll trade anything to go back and leave this urban lifestyle. I've over 900 people I call my cousins. Than we've an extended tribe of over 15000 and everyone is related. I swear, we were poor but we were way way happy.
Now I visit the place and it's worst feeling to leave the area and the people.
This man is (unintentionally) one the most important philosophers of the last 50 years. His work is extraordinary, and if anyone can teach us how to create a stronger, more cohesive identity as a people that welcomes its warriors back home and knits broken communities back together it will be based on his body of work.
I served in Iraq in the Marines as infantry Men and it has been so hard to adapt to people and to my kids and with these videos I can explain to my wife what my PTSD is all about .
As an Infantryman, I've had a deep respect for Mr. Junger. This video reveals that his political leanings differ from mine. I appreciate that because of my respect for him, I am willing to understand his perspective.
Men are made on Sand Hill
Jason Wester
Robot slave. Lol, be proud of being a murderous robot slave to stuff you belly & fed your genitals by murdering women, children, old people & dirt farmers living in straw mud huts.
Same here. I have the utmost respect for him being an infantry combat veteran. I see him as a brother. Most will not understand.
@@cba000abc000 "Straw mud huts" you say? We're far more civilized, cultured, and educated than you loser :)
USMC 0331 Iraq 2003. Agreed
People wanting to feel necessary. In a tribe, everyone is needed. In a civilization, only a few are necessary. We need to find that thing to make everyone needed.
Everyone is necessary in civilization
Plain and simple compassion?
Powerful Sebastian Junger
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God bless U and thank U
I really enjoyed listening to you
I learned a few things from you today.
Would love to hear him talk about how things are today
Spot on. I work with resident physicians. In this day of and dynamics of “safe space”, there is a mentality of separatism and individuality which creates a lack of trust and lack of cooperation. This creates a vulnerability of the group and decreased effectiveness of the individual.
Wow, Google let Sebastian Junger talk about the inherent differences between men and women? Did James Damore get rehired?
Thank you for sharing this Google! I like the way this guy thinks and the way he articulates his ideas. I'm not used to hearing this commentary outside of more partisan conversations to often much smaller groups of people (like local talk radio or whatever), and certainly nothing of this length and sustained reflection. From a sociological stand point are there any sociologists who have written on this topic and echoed his conclusions about alienation in modern society and the necessity of common purpose to feel needed, nut just among the military but of all people in modern societies?
I'm also interested in this topic so if there are any reading or watching recommendations I'd appreciate it. There's also this idea that maximising number of stable families reflect happiness and fulfilment of society rather than equating pleasure with happiness and aiming it at individuals as the target units. And family stability can more often than not contradict individual desires and wants. I think that we are waking up to a reality that our nature is not individualistic nor societal but rather familial and communitarian and codependent. We are not built for individualism nor for societies.
Are things getting easy or just complex and difficult in a way we are not evolve to deal with?
There is so much abstraction and individualism in the modern world and has happen in the last 100 years accelerating more the last 30 years.
I like your way to talk and I am so excited to listen to you... actually I am from Iraq and I worked with the military U.S. army at that time ...
But my question is, why I miss that's period of time too ???
How come that I have PTDS???
According to Junger it was probably a period in time people really needed you and didn't take you for granted.
It does not equal PTSD. PTSD is an actual medical disorder so you will be diagnosed by a specialist.
what you mean by that? can you explain better?
@@parisiansparkle who me? Explain what?
The bitter irony of his partisanship comment is that this talk is taking place at Google which is probably the most guilty institution of partisanship there is
Bitter irony? What's bitter or ironic about it? If indeed, as you say, the audience is very partisan, they seem to qualify as the ideal recipients of the message.
@@pantinucci because it will probably function alot like church people will clap at the message while the preacher speaks then stand up from the pews and go out into the world to do the exact opposite. Now I wrote this a year ago and Google has stayed pretty damn partisan.
@@tyloniussquib4000 at least Google is willing to have the conversation.
Part 2 "Sebastian Junger: "Hell on Earth: The Fall of Syria and the Rise of ISIS" | Talks at Google"
is actually the beggining of the interview -_-°
Hmmm. The BRITISH (not English) National Health Service was established by Nye Bevan (a Welshman), MP for Ebbw Vale. I think his views were formed by his first hand observation of life in the South Wales coal fields rather than the London Blitz. I think the views of his Labour party colleagues were also formed by conditions in the industrial heart lands rather than life in London?
Do the higher rates of PTSD in more modern societies represent more prevalence of PTSD OR a better ability to detect PTSD. I agree with Junger, and adore him and his work, but I was just curious because I don't recall that being tackled.
PTSD, shellshock, soldier's heart are all names of post combat stress for the last 200 years or so. I think more people are prone to be open to it now that we have had a sustained war for over 15 years. I also don't think that the lonelyness of modern society should be ignored either. I believe that is the driveing factor between treating the symptoms and being cured.
Mushrooms cure ptsd in one dose ... BUT NO PROFIT FOR BIG-PHARMA
@@Aliens-Are-Our-Friends2027 I've heard quite a few first hand accounts that microdosing mushrooms helps greatly reduce the symptoms of PTSD and cPTSD, but none of those people did mushrooms once and were completely cured forever. And that's not a solution that will work for everyone. That being said, I really hope I live to see the day that this is researched and approved for treatment because so many people are suffering that maybe don't have to be. I'd like to try it myself, but I don't want to be constantly worried of being searched and arrested. It sucks
@@misteryA555 You are fake news. Many people have been cured of depression and PTSD IN ONE DOSE. (not a microdose).
Think about it how depressed do people get when they lose their jobs, because you lose a sense of purpose. Even though you are eating as much as you want and sleeping on soft mattresses.
It always baffled me why the western 'civilised' countries have the highest rates of depression and suicide when they have everything in comparison to the country which I come from (Bangladesh) where people are poor but have a very strong sense of community and family.
A lack of purpose, compelling way forward and belonging are certainly factors that drive suicide.
I'm interested in this topic so if there are any reading or watching recommendations I'd appreciate it. There's also this idea that maximising number of stable families reflect happiness and fulfilment of society rather than equating pleasure with happiness and aiming it at individuals as the target units. And family stability can more often than not contradict individual desires and wants. I think that we are waking up to a reality that our nature is not individualistic nor societal but rather familial and communitarian and codependent. We are not built for individualism nor for societies.
He has a book on this topic "Tribe : On Homecoming and Belonging". It's a short book with less than 150 pages
@@arminius6506 i actually found it and already read it. It's a begging .. i read some other things on it and it makes absolute sense. Starting to get a sense that our societies are based on completely wrong assumptions about human nature. Get's pretty wild when you get into it.
Extremely low volume sound.
I live alone. I like living alone. But I live in an apartment complex, so I guess you'd consider that my "tribe." Solitude keeps me going. A modern-day Georgia O'Keefe I suppose. I also live with a disability. Fibromyalgia. Which doesn't make me feel very socialble.
Georgitte Singbiel I deal with fibromyalgia n it goes away 100% when I follow Fit For Life book. If you use it do so slowly. It can trigger cleansing so rather 70% Raw Veggies try 10% and work your way up over a couple months to 70% Raw Veggies. However emotions need healing too.
Id go back. 100%
35:12 - identical twins often spend a lot of time together. they're each other's reflection, it's only natural they'd feel completely comfortable together and accepting of each other. they likely think out loud with each other and dig into each other's minds more than most other pairs to try and find the minor differences. identical twins are often shown to experience identity confusion. if identical twins spend 2 or 3 times the amount of time together than fraternal twins do, we should probably be more skeptical than making that assumption that that means genes are determining political outlook. i also think early development, prenatal to age 5, and the stress levels experienced does a lot to shape our nervous systems, how our stress response affects us (epigentic studies show this), and therefore our temperament, which likely has an effect on eventual political disposition. not sure it's so clear cut to come to such conclusions. it's a great though.
Scientists who research that sort of thing have thought of that. They look at identical twins that were separated from birth and grew up in different families.
@@XmatigX Does that really happen enough to make those kind of studies ?
@@claramercier7924 it happens enough to write a paper.
Friends of mine..remote Maine.. haven't a clue who their nbors are
Towards the beginning he said not everybody has to be like that (to have a tribal mentality). But the whole talk is dedicated to fostering tribal mentality. So which is it?
Personally, having my individuality stomped out of me through humiliation, torture or other rite of passage rituals sounds incredibly wrong. It may be better to be tribal in a war-like situation, but not in a world of relative peace.
Excuse me, somebody have the book in PDF?
Tribe? worth buying ten thousands times :)
Your local library has a copy through Overdrive.
If everyone being in a "tribe" is good - why is the breakup of the union bad? Wouldn't everyone gravitate and operate as smaller tribes and therefore, according to the author's main thesis, be a good thing?
They do, watch Parag Khannna's videos, he talks about tribalism somewhat Nation states are fragmenting in to smaller states because small states are fast and flexible
NWO don't like&want ''small'' tribes&nations&states.
33:33
I've also noticed you conflate tribal community with giving the Fed the power to achieve this. It has been tried and tried. The reason why some societies may thrive such as the tribe you mentioned, is because they were small
Why can't we have a middlecrat? Mr. Junger, I look up to you.
how about no crats at all?
Mandatory service sounds awesome in theory, but it is not free
I'm still confused caused the suicide rate is the highest for American Indians & Alaskan Natives (the people that are classified that way sorry loves). I know there are a bunch of factors but I wish I could have asked him that
This probably has something to do with the destruction of those cultures from Europeans. The message can apply to them- loss of tribe.
White People Were Tribal Pagans. We long for pre-Cristian life of tribes.
Our guy here has a lil bit of amnesia of his own people’s ancient past n plight.
The ancient Vikings had a re-patriation plan. 1 week alone in a hut. 1 week with their brothers in a hut. 1 week with the family in a hut. Then they came out to the tribe /village in small ways for 1 week.
After that they were fine. Like a decompression. I trust it worked very very well.
"give a choice, free people will go toward the tribal" -- FREE people. Hmm...
I appreciate Jungers take on tribal/tribalism. Id be curious if his take on Trump/GOP/Democrats remains the same. Lol
A soldier told me....he dont have PTSD or suffered from it. Is he in denial?
Or. He might be russian and still lives in the middle of war mindset
Probably not.
Riza hariati please explain
not only soldiers have PTSD; depends on the experience and sensitiveness x
Freedom vs debt slavery
Ants?
Can you talk about like ..? AGH
40:00 - Unfortunately, IT IS NOT TRUE that bullets cannot destroy the United States! JFK, RFK, MLK, Malcolm X, Fred Hampton, John Lennon, etc, etc, etc. BULLETS, Baby.
He certainly predicted the devolution into vicious partisanship and word-fare
not even applicable or relevant to his points
@@_robo Entirely applicable and relevant to his points
Your definitions of liberal ethos and conservative ethos are over simplified so condescending. You have completely missed what it means to have the 50 states. The power is closer to the citizenry and self governance.
I will concur that the toxic environment we have presently is not healthy. I will also say there are Dems and Republicans who are not uber Left and Uber Right. I am a Constitutionalalist. My first question is whose purview is it? We were not set up to have an almighty powerful Fed. We were set up for SELF governance. We were not set up to give factions power. Checks and balances coupled with states sovereignty. Limited government.
My dog would give his life for me. It’s a amazing feeling. He protected me one night from a drunk driving aggressive thug pouring out of a car right next to me at night...
I’m a trained self defense expert but dogs power was profound.
No violence happened because I was able to de-escalated it but the dog wanted him n so did I.
Nothing like a bully who thinks he’s going to win a fight over nothing to tempt you to say fuck it... a go in.
Lol 😂 laws apply only to the civil.... I’m civil. I was able to step away n dudes girl wanted to see him handled.
Very dangerous. The dog could take him down n he could stab the dog...
Self defense means protection, n offense only when that creates higher safety.
he is wrong. ants sacrifice themselves for the greater group too. they are also the only other species that can build a bridge
He is not wrong, he missed and an insignificant point about ants....really, you needed to say that this man and all he went through is just wrong??? That his point is wrong???? Ok, is that to prove you know a point about animals, and well done, and true, but perhaps you missed the overall point of the talk?
People at google are androids??? The weak applause at the end, and no questions asked...
I was about to buy this guy’s book. So glad I listened to this interview first because that is money that would’ve otherwise been wasted on what appears to be virtue signaling drivel.
the tribe book is tremendous !!! I have started my PTSD journey there .......
@@parisiansparkle mushrooms can heal ptsd in 1 dose. Start with 1.5g dried and contemplation when you are in a safe setting and willing to think back on the trauma to heal it
I bothered to get this guy's book, TRIBE, on Audible but returned it because how disappointing it was. Though he starts off with a disclaimer on how his use of certain terms are very controversial, such as referring to Indigenous Native Americans as "Indians", I just couldn't get past how he nonetheless disregarded the significantly negative connotations this slur has. I guess it's easy to justify such language when the writer himself is from an affluent, suburban New England upbringing. Yes, very disappointing indeed.
If you're ignoring such an important concept over the use of a single word, you are part of the problem
@TheUsername55555100
Obviously, you do not know what the problem stems from... it's okay, though, ignorance itself proliferates in a multitude of facets. You are forgiven. It is what it is... slow and steady wins the race.
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Google employees would never understand. The willingness to sacrifice yourself with no regret or hesitation to save a brother is a military thing.
do not understimate people, sometimes warriors are not even military nor men oups !!! x
If I'm not mistaken, he's advocating for more socialism, under the assumption that it's more caring and community building, the things he says are essential for human well-being. But Socialism does nothing of the sort. It is very efficient at taking away the responsibility and opportunity to directly help your fellow tribe members. It places all of the responsibility in the hands of the state. Stop equating socialism with altruism and generosity.
Shouldn't he be smarter than that? Am I misinterpreting his political stance?
You are way off.
You’re misinterpreting the essence of socialism my man.
good topic !! not sure he is much into politic x
@@WideReciever360 You cannot have socialism without increasing centralised control. There isn't even an example of a leftist country that has a restrained government.