"The Rise of the Dal Cas" | Irish History (Pt. 5 The Story of an Irish Sept)
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- We continue our journey through the history of Ireland according to the book by Seamus Macnamara "The Story of an Irish Sept". In part 5 we learn about the rise of the great dynasty known as the Dalcassians.
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Wouldn't we love some visuals to spark our imagination about this time
The most challenging part of making these videos is finding the visuals.
Just imagine us all camping wearing leine's ?
Interestingly, enough, I subscribed your channel quite some time back and today just working out my grandmothers family tree on her mother‘s lineage. I ended up coming to this family line that I come from on my grandmother side. I’m laughing my head off because I’ve been digging into this Tutha legend and the Iberian people for a long time. My grandmother was a seer, and a healer. Now I know why! She comes from the Cas. Wow! I’m stunned!
I'd be interested in more about songs, music and arts.
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I am a patrillineal descendent of the Dál gCais and am in the R-L226 project. I believe I am descended from the Uí Toirdhealbhach due to my studying of the DNA results. One Ó Ciaráin sept is described in the Book of Munster as descended from the Clann Ailghile of the Uí Toirdhealbhach along with Ó Loingsigh and Ó Ceallaigh who both have clusters under BY4103 giving circumstantial evidence this mutation is associated with Clann Ailghile. It's sibling ZZ34_1 is clearly associated with the descendents of Lorcáin mac Lachtna (Brian Boru's grandfather) and many Ahearns, Hogans, Kennedys, O'Briens and others descend from it. I would post charts but youtube deletes comments with any links.
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Thank you so much! I also descend from the L226, FGC5628/Y4010. I was wondering if they descended from the Celts that arrived from the Iberian peninsula.
@@teresasardinas5642the root of decent is fenius farsaid, scythians(iran) who traveled to Iberian peninsula, then to ireland with egyptian scota 👍🏻
@@brandon8997Thank you so much. Very interesting!♥️
My father’s haplogroup is FGC5628/Y4010. It is said to be Irish. His surname is “de Fuentes”; maybe changed after arrival to Spain. I have a question, did the Dalgcasians arrived in Ireland from the Iberian peninsula according to the route I saw here? I am 73 years old and I wish to find out the Origen of my paternal ancestral line before I died to share it with my children and my father’s family.
I am fascinated and mesmerized by this video! Thank you so very much.!!!! I descend from the same genetic branch of the O’Brians! I always wanted to know where the Dalcagsians originated and how is that the Irish and the Scottish descend from them. God bless you!
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My folks were of Dal Riata stock. I wonder, did the Dal Riata have a flag, or a coat of arms?
Mhaoldomnaigh here from Mayo/Clare
The excursion into France...do the french have any records of this taking?
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They were my Irish ancestor`s enemies
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I wouldn't give any heed to the Dál gCais genealogies prior to Lugaid Lámderg, he is probably the first figure of substance in the Dál gCais genealogies, and the connection with the Eoganacht is totally bogus and the DNA results show this. (as well as showing the genuine connections between the Uí Fidgenti and the Eoganacht). Cogadh Gaedhil re Gallaib uses Clann Lugaid or Síl Lugaid as an alternative term for Dál Cais. This Lugaid is described: "Lugaid gained seven battles over the Connachta, killed seven kings, and drove them with only hirelings and boys from Carn Feradaig to Áth Lucait. ". So it is him who is traditionally described as having conquered Thomond for the Deisi Tuaiscirt. His grandson Cas is the common ancestor of the Dalcassian septs. The earlier "Cormac Cas" probably never even existed and the appending the Dál gCais genealogies onto an ancestral figure of the Eoganacht is obviously an attempt at giving Brian Boru and his descendents legitimacy on the Munster Kingship. Of course the Dál gCais did have quite a deep history and connection with the Eoganacht, but it was not genealogical.
Fantastic comment. Thanks a lot for sharing. I wonder if you know when this came to be accepted, and if its newer research than what may have been available when Seamus MacNamara wrote the book? Also, if you have any thoughts as to why reliance was placed on earlier genealogies that were inaccurate? (Are they really inaccurate or is it the case that the evidence simply isn't strong enough to support such claims, in your opinion?)
@@BrehonAcademy As I said the tracing of the pedigree of Cas back to Oillil Olum has the clear motivation of giving the Dál gCais legitimacy to the Kingship of Munster, even though the Eoganacht didn't even exist at the point of Oilill Olum and was formed by the descendents of Conall Corc who's descendents would monopolize the kingship of Munster. Scholars had suspected this but of course there's no way to be sure, but DNA makes it obvious the Dál gCais (L226) and Eoganacht (CTS4466) share no recent ancestry at all (other than R1b-DF13 which I believe is shared by around 60% of Irish males and at least 4,000 years old), so a common ancestor at the time of Oilill Olum is impossible. We can rely on later genealogies from Cas onwards because the Cineal Fearmaic (DC8) (descendents of Cas's son Aonghus Ceann Nathrach, septs including O'Dea, Crowe, Griffin), the Uí Caisín (FGC79628) (descended from Cas's son Caisín, septs such as O'Hartigan, O'Halloran, McNamara) and the Uí Bloid (FGC5628) (descendents of Cas's son Bloid, includes O'Briens, Kennedys, Hogans etc.) all converge on the mutation Z17669 which makes a persuasive argument for the veracity of their genealogies and common ancestry. Cas lived in around the 5th century AD and this is also around the age of this mutation. As well as the fact that there is no obvious motivation for the Dalcassian tribes to forge common ancestry to a figure who has no real importance other than genealogical, the genealogy going back to Oilill Olum however has a clear political purpose so is much more likely to be fabricated by later scholars under the patronage of the burgeoning descendents of Cinnéidigh mac Lorcáin in attempt to glorify their patrons and justify their claims to be the rightful rulers of Munster (talks of ancient schemes of rotation of the kingship and unfair exclusion and such). The history recorded by Seamus McNamara is the traditional history, but we have to use logic to try and guess what to believe and what not to.
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Are there up to date sources you can cite for people interested in this?
@@gnenian The website Dalcassiandna has all my research, everything mentioned there is cited and also contains links to all sources, and all the sources are accessible online. The main source is the Book of Munster.
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