only if Apple will see this video and understand you cannot ship a 1000$+ with 8GB of RAM in 20xx when you can buy any laptop with 16GB RAM with less than 400$
@@AZiskI do sense the sarcasm here Alex, nice point But still I wonder how Apple will be pricing / spec products today if Steve Jobs will still be around, Saying that because I remember watching a lot of keynotes from him and each year he will present more memory for that product and even for same price or cheaper, he understood the impact of this and this helped Apple grow Even back in the day , Apple had let’s say expensive products but some had similar or even better price than what PC can offer Coming back to 8GB on a Pro machine .. the problem is also MacOS , it is no Damn Small Linux , and back in the days I used to build hackingtosh using snow leopard 10.6.8 on my Acer Aspire One with 2GB of ram and it will run great Even before I had a Thinkpad T61 and run MacOS on it and using Paraleles run Windows virtually and had 3GB of ram on a dual core T7100 intel.. today software is demanding too much RAM and we don’t see the improvements, so yes macOS has become like Chrome , hungry for ram. PS: if Steve Jobs will be around we sure will have had better prices or/and 16GB RAM 512GB ssd on 1000$ Apple machines Ps2: maybe also an Apple car and a cheap and good iPhone SE4 for 459$ today PS3 I enjoy your videos , keep up the good work !
it's so refreshing to have a content creator who really gets it, your Analysis is spot on. my father is a woodworker, the money to invest as a developer to be able to work is a complete joke. even if you buy the most expensive mac pro with triple Studio XDR displays + 3 stands for well over 100k it's still nothing in comparison. a single big machine costs more than that, not to mention the building, the energy, the employee's etc... a developer just needs a laptop and that's basically it, yet we are crying for couple 100 bucks for more memory or storage.
8GB is not an option at all, My daily usage of RAM is ~14GB without LLM. Docker (redis+postgresql) + Pycharm + Webstorm + Chrome + all messangers like slack, signal etc. And since this is unified memory e.g. it''s being used by CPU and GPU then we are talking that for CPU it's not even 8B but less, because some RAM is taken by GPU
I’ve decided to opt for a pre-owned M1 MacBook Pro with 32GB of RAM, as it’s more affordable. In my experience, having ample RAM to ensure smooth program execution outweighs the marginal speed increase from a newer M3 MacBook Pro with only 8GB of RAM
This is the route I was just thinking of going… my old 2013 MacBook Pro just died… so I am thinking the M1 would still be an amazingly faster system compared to my old one.
I did the same 5 years ago with my 2016 MacBook Pro but unfortunately, I had to change it this year because it wouldn't support any new software updates.
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu well like the person before already said the SSD died not because it's a bad SSD but because of Swap. 8Gb of RAM will use SSD as Swap pretty much all thé time especially now in 2024. That's why OP's SSD died in 1.5years
I'm front-end developer for 1.5 years(job, not pet projects). Bought my first Mac a half year ago for work. I'm using Air M2 8gb for web and mobile development. 90% of time it is enough. If you are starting programming journey moast of the time you don't need M3 Max 64gb. Don't spend money if you are not sure.
@@gintoki_sakata__ I use an M1 mac mini with 8gb / 256ssd, mostly for web development (side projects at home). I have no complaints with this machine, it does everything I want it to do. There are certain workflows that are more intensive. Obviously doing any kind of AI stuff, you're going to need a more powerful machine. Ditto for mobile development. It's really dependent on what you plan to do with the machine. These specs are more than enough for web development.
@@lennypinskiy6598 speak for yourself. If you are drawing buttons in a notepad then its enouph. i just want to say that home projects are not real ones.
Yes, common sense. If the apps you run are RAM-intensive and you make your living from developing, then 8GB should not even be on your radar. The question would be 16GB or 24GB on the base M3, or 18GB or 36GB on the M3 Pro MB Pros? As a professional driver for 40 years (60-80K miles a year) I bought expensive cars like Audis and VWs. I could buy a similar car for 66% of the price, but it was my living so I bought premium due to quality and reliability. If it is your living, do not skimp out on RAM or storage; as a dev the computer is your livelihood, an investment...common sense.
@@BaieDesBaies I have driven every single car as part of my job and VW and Audi are the most reliable from my experience. I have multiple of both over the years and had no issues with any of them and a couple of them did over 200,000 miles and we're still going strong. Mercedes went for a bad time with reliability way back when. So I don't know what else in the premium sector was as good as these two. I did have BMWs but they didn't work for me.
All Core Ultra 7 laptops from Intel have soldered RAM, and 100% Snapdragon X Elite will be soldered RAM. And remember all tablets and phones have soldered RAM.
@@andyH_Englandyea it's a plague, if manufacturers are too greedy to put another $20 into their $1000+ devices, then at least make it upgradable (for laptops, I understand that it would be hard for phones), otherwise it's just manufactured garbage and in case Snapdragon X Elite will have AI branding, guess what you'll need a lot of? that's right, RAM! (as the video stated, you'll probably need 32 GB at least if you want to do something kinda decent
It is not even that. Non upgradable is the result of extreme thin chassis and better performance. It is the upgrade price that is outrageous as RAM price has gone down significantly.
@@AaronFigFront the surface Laptop 6 and Dell XPS 14 all start at 8GB and have the same upgrade costs. Both are premium ultrabooks. I'm not sure why you pick Apple out and let Microsoft and Dell get a free pass. Maybe it is a lack of understanding of how demand side economics works.
I think Apple should be forced to allow us upgrade the SSD. They always argue environment as one of the reasons they do things. Not allowing us to upgrade RAM or SSD is complete against that same philosophy.
storage and RAM are on the SOC die. this is part of the reason they are so fast. They don't work like windows machine. It's no different to buying a smartphone, you can't upgrade ram afterwards. It's not like apple have a gun to your head and say buy their stuff. You know before hand what you are paying for. If you don't like it, don't pay. and if you want to upgrade them do so at time of purchase. They've never argued environment for upgrades LOL. they are charging more because you are getting more.
@@percy9228 Wrong. Storage is very much not on the SoC die. Only the storage controller. The storage chips, which determine the actual performance, are soldered down but not located on the die. And they are the same exact storage chips you would find on an NVMe drive from major manufacturers. RAM - fine. But storage - no.
I feel like if you are developing software professionally, then just go crazy and spec way more RAM than you'll ever need. $3k, $4k, it's a drop in the ocean for your primary professional tool. It's better to waste money and have more RAM than you will ever need, than to try to predict how much RAM you'll need and to come up short. Software devs are blessed, the tools of our trade are cheap compared to e.g. video or audio gear. If you're not a professional and you're on a budget, then find some way to buy a machine with 16GB, even if it's an older gen. A CPU upgrade just makes a machine faster, but a RAM upgrade gives a machine new capabilities.
Very well said. I'm still on a laptop that's over 7 years old. It has 64 GB of RAM because that's how I wanted it to have when I bought it and I knew I'll use them. This did help me greatly in being able to have many things opened at once and even using RAMDisks, which I love. Now I'm bitter that 128 GB laptops are still not really a thing. They're rare and the RAM is at terrible speeds (even on desktops). While right now I don't reallly need 128 GBs, since I want my next laptop to also last for 7 years (preferably 10), I know I will eventually use 128 GB of RAM. Hopefully with Arrow Lake I might be lucky (or Zen 5, but I kinda want Intel)
True, i had top 2017 PC with 32 at 3200mhz, i used to use 20 daily, better to have more than less and more important on apple equipment which sucks for upgrading something: you can’t
I would have to disagree slightly: for development in a compiled language (C++,Rust and so on) having a good CPU can be life changing when dealing with large projects, more so than RAM. And for gaming Vulkan compatibility is becoming more and more a requirement, which most old pc's don't meet. For everything else, 100% agree, RAM and repairability are the most important factors if you want a long lasting device. (To drive the point a bit, my Samsung Tab from two years ago, a tablet running android, compiles at times thrice as fast as my windows professional grade i5 laptop from 2013)
I use the 16gb version of the m3 macbook from apple refurbished for unity. It gets the gpu results of a m1 pro, the battery life of an air, and the cpu results of like an m2 pro. If you are on edge about spending too much money, get an m3 refurbished you will not regret it.
Bought an M3 Air 15 16/512 and it is a brilliant laptop. A pro device for people who don’t need something that needs to sit there churning through sustained tasks
@@xAnonymousComedia they don't have the listing anymore but I got a m3 macbook pro 16gb ram 512gb storage for $1520 which is basically $300 off retail.
Not to mention, usable memory is actually lower since some memory is used for the GPU. It’s an absolute insult that Apple is selling entry level products with 8GB of RAM.
Well, that's kind of understandable considering the soldered RAM is part of what makes the processor so fast. If we're talking about software development or video editing obviously 16GB should be the bare minimum, but we have to understand that the 8GB MacBook Air is also marketed to students and people who will use it for light tasks and who want a laptop that will last them the whole day without having to plug it in. I do agree that $200 for an extra 8GB is outrageous.
@@bren.r It depends on your use case, if you're doing heavy video editing it might be an advantage. Let's say you're working on a MacBook Pro with 48GB of unified memory and the system/CPU is consuming 10GB of memory, that means there are 38GB left for the GPU/video software to use. This wouldn't be the case if you had a computer with 24GB of RAM and 24GB of VRAM.
I have a 2013 MBAir which is still used regularly. It has 4GB of RAM and the SSD is still alive. The charger died a few months ago, but before that MacBook was still used regularly by kids. I started freelancing and my own app development using that MBAir and it was fine. 8GB is okay for beginner iOS developers today, you will need a few years of experience to hit the limits of it :) Sure, upgrade RAM if you can, then MB will last longer.
I was tempted to get the m3 macbook pro base model for android development. But 8gb is just not enough everywhere you look. I ended up getting used m1 macbook air 1tb ssd 16gb ram config. The experience with this machine is amazing. It can handle the project I am working on pretty well (about 84 screens). It is super light and the battery is the best. If you are on a tight budget, m1 air is the best value.
@@mahmoudaakil1564 Emulator. A CAVEAT THOUGH FOR EVERYONE: Without airconditioner in your room, this macbook will become hotter as you continue to build and run your app. It will almost be untouchable. It will still work though, but without separate keyboard and mouse, you'll be in an uncomfortable situation. I don't know if it's the same case with macbook pros that has fan/active cooling.
SSD Swap is completely fine for the computer. It'll theoretically take 80+ years with constant swap (20GB/a day). It doesn't even reduce performance that much. Realistically, you won't keep this laptop longer than 5-6 years.
With all the AI features that are coming 16GB is the new 8GB. Meaning, a scam. If you're running a Windows machine you need at least 32GB to be future proof for at least 5-6 years.
If you plan on reselling or trading-in, it's a good idea to stick to base models. for instance, if you need 16GB of RAM and plan on reselling, get the M3 pro mbp. It's more expensive than the M3 mbp upgraded to 16GB, but you make up for it in resale value
I just bought my first MacBook. I got the MacBook Pro M4 14 inch base model. Now it comes with 16GB of ram and 512GB SSD. MacOS takes between 4-6GB to run. I don't do anything pro except some photo editing with Photomator. The computer is blazing fast. Uses 11GB of ram at most and caches the rest. Doesn't need to swap. I sold my 2020 ipad Pro at a used device shop, plus I got the education discount. Total price I paid at the apple store $1,150.
I got the 36GB Macbook M3 Pro. Been working like a bunch of docker containers, running some crazy systems locally and haven't shutdown my computer since I bought it 2 month ago. Pretty good stuff.
Although I still personally struggle with the idea of 8GB ram on a laptop $1500+, I completely agree with your conclusion. Re: how well macs depreciate and resale value ... I can see older but higher-speced macs reselling well, but do lower end macs also have that great a resell value? I imagine a M3 MBA 8gb model wouldn't resell as well in a few years.
They will have no resell value because they're most likely dead in a few years when the SSD reached its TBW threshold (from the constant swap attacks) and the thing transformed into e-waste...
very good; finally someone who realised that getting the latest CPU with 8 GB RAM may be a worse choice than some CPU that's a bit slower but that doesn't run into that hard memory bottleneck
@@alphaspace1100 what do you think? I am buying the MacBook for browsing, tutoring and studying. Is it better to buy m2 with 16gb/512gb or m3 with bigger SSD or RAM?
Brasil dev: I have a base 14-inch MacBook Pro m2 pro, 16gb ram and 512gb hd. I previously had the 8gb m1 13 pro, and I couldn't develop in c#/unity on it. I don't even do 3D, but even just opening Unity and Rider would make it slow and sometimes crash. So I don't recommend the 8gb to anyone who develops software, not even for web development because I also tested it and had a bad experience with 8gb. The tests disregard apps opened for several hours and tabs opened in browsers, IDEs. If your budget only allows for a base Mac mini, buy it and be happy. The important thing is to get started. I highly recommend 16gb of ram, much more than 512gb of HD, even though I know that after installing everything I use, I use about 250gb.
I am on the fence over buying a M3 Max 16' 36GB 1TB SSD to kind of future-proof myself, or get the M3 PRO 16' 18GB 512GB SSD. I do know that future-proof is an illusion, but it is always there bothering me that I might not be getting the best machine I can for work. I also understand the idea of not buying a mac and upgrading my Desktop, atm it is good, but could use some upgrades.
@@matus9787 Battery life: The battery life is truly exceptional. I purchased the $2000 model, which I believe offers the best value for money. Noise: There is some noise present, but it is only noticeable when opening 3D applications. In such cases, I would not recommend any Mac computer due to the limited availability of 3D libraries and the prevalence of performance issues. However, I am currently developing a top-down game that does not require extensive graphics processing.
@@alopradocai I recommend that you only buy the $4000 version if you absolutely need it. You can buy a MacBook Pro 16 now, and in 3 years, you can sell your current one and use the money, plus a little extra, to buy a new 16 m5 pro 2nm.
@@lamphantom2289 Yeah that is what I'll probably do! Right now I will wait a little longer for any news too. The conf from apple in June might bring some news regarding changes or new chips. I'm also a Brazilian developer! :D
If you are soppy enough to base a laptop on what the marketing term is, then you really shouldn't; I suspect you will be buying an AI PC because you think it is an AI machine! Ignore the marketing and names, do your research and base a purchase on your own sense. Really! Thinking a "pro" label makes it a pro machine is nuts! The iPhone Pro is not a pro iPhone. Apple uses "Pro" to define their most feature-packed device within a line! Come on...common sense needed...
I see the M3 MacBook Pro as a pro machine for business users/office professionals who are not usually going to be power users. It's Pro as in Professional. I could see this being a perfect laptop for someone who works in marketing, real estate, sales, etc that need the long battery life, HDMI output, SD card input, more-durable-than-the-air but still portable chassis, and so on, but not necessarily need the higher RAM and performance that the M3Pro and the M3Max offers. I think so many people get hung up on the word 'Pro' and confuse it for power user. These pro machines are not for power users, but they are every bit professional devices for those that make their living with them.
@@AZisk I watched the video. That doesn't keep me from having a problem with Apple calling a laptop with 8GB of RAM in 2024 a Pro model. I got the impression you agree. Or you wouldn't have to go back to 2007 in your own history for a computer with just 8GB. Apple's upgrade costs keep them from selling more units. It's their choice but I'd have 3x as many Apple products in my home if they had more realistic pricing on RAM and storage. Anything other than a base model isn't worth buying unless it comes with ample storage and RAM. Upgraded models don't hold value the way base models do.
@@martyk656 I''m with Andy here - just because Apple calls it Pro doesn't mean it's going to match some people's opinion of Pro. However, as I've mentioned in prior videos, THIS machine (the M3 MacBook Pro) is the least Pro MacBook Pro that Apple has released since I've been using them (2013). I'm ok with that, just look at specs, not the name.
Paid 800 for my Lenovo with Gpu, 1tb SSD and 16gb of ram new. Installed Ubuntu. Had good use of it as web dev and better system. Sold it for 500. Got new Lenovo. For MacBook I would have to pay 1800 and sell for 1200. Better screen and battery on MacBook, but would cost me double the money over 2 years. Lenovo model I had was Ideapad pro 16. Base models of apple macs are keeping value well but the more expensive ones are not.
@@forthphoto totaly agree with you, I am using lenovo with 10th gen i7 and 20GB ram. Bought it new for around 1100$. I really do not care about resale value. Using very heavy docker images like oracle DB, aerospike, etc... and with 2 intelij window opened and bunch of browser tabs. It struggle a little bit in windows. But using it the same way in linux , it is just flawless and smooth. But... screen, keyboard and trackpad are terrible in comparison with my 15 year old lenovo! Let alone macbooks!
I started using apple products due to how tired I was being vulnerable with windows and having to micromanage all the silent process behind my knowledge making the pc slow. Now a Mac user I must say that as data scientist and AI dev I am decoupling from the MS environment. Every technology tree has pros and cons, my recommendation is to spend a bit more on memory or use an external memory for your OS , that will eliminate the abuse of the OS on the hard drive.
As a developer I 16gb is not enough sometimes, though 16gb is mandatory. If you have no price constraint go with the higher RAM. It is true for both mac and windows.
Snapdragon elite with Linux wouid fly. My 16GB RAM AMD Ryzen 7 laptop uses just 4GB in Ubuntu but about 10GB in Windows just doing office tasks and cloud devops. Huge difference. Ok not for everyone but my experience in Linux has been very positive and yes I even play games in Linux.
i was suffering with 8gb m1 pro in react native development =) , 18gb m3 the minimum step for comfortable app development. Thank you Alex, your videos are great.
if someone's confused like me on 8GB and 16GB, i bought a m2 air 8 gb for my development, but, i was very wrong for my decision, yes it worked well but, it was lagging in many places. 8gb will never be enough for development, its better to go for 16gb always, i sold my laptop after using for 5 months and also had to work with minimal apps open, so, i upgraded to 18gb m3 Pro. And after that life changed :D
The HDMI port matters so much to me. To me this is the best presentation laptop. Dongles use 5-15 watts of power and plugging directly into the HDMI port gives phenomenal battery life when hooked to a projector. Videos can be shown in HDR, SD cards can be plugged in no sweat, speakers are great. Presentation presentation presentation. There is a very specific audience for this device. I have a m1 Max 32GB machine, and the M3 14inch Macbook Pro is a great secondary device.
There are two schools of thought on spec'ing out a Mac: 1. Pay extra now to future-proof it for 5 to 10 years of use. 2. Buy the value sweet spot now, and then upgrade later when you need more. Which one is better now depends on what Apple does in the future, especially if they bump minimum RAM to 16 GB in the near future.
I went with the 8 GB base model simply because I know this year for some personal reasons I'm not going to work that intensively with my machine and not going to push it that far anyways, until I need to, then I will buy whatever the new model they lunch and max it out.
The big issue with the M3 MBP is that it’s in a price squeeze between the 15” MBA for $300 less ($100 if equipped with 512GB SSD) and the 14” MBP with M3 Pro at just $400 more, but includes 18GB RAM, more ports, and a second fan. If you upgrade the M3 MBP to 16GB RAM, then it’s only $200 less than the M3 Pro version. It’s a machine that probably shouldn’t be called “Pro”, and has a narrow spot in the market.
I had an Macbook Air M1 with 8gb because I had a notebook(Dell) from my last job, I started to work in a new place where you had to use your own computer I worked with a Macbook Air for 1 month to see if I could but was insane the amount of swap, in the end I bought a Macbook Pro with 16gb which still doing some swap but works fine (I have a friend who have a 64gb MBP but never reached more than 30gb, the ideal for development I think would be 24-32gb)
The Air with 8GB is fine for middle school kids or blue-collar workers that use it for general web browsing and light photo editing. Maybe even light video editing if someone stops using browser tabs. Past that, get 16GB of RAM.
@@akin242002in my opinion, 8 GB memory are completely acceptable, but in any situation, where the advantages of a MacBook would actually matter (like video editing), your RAM would really limit you. All the use cases you described can probably be done with an old MacBook/normal laptop for way cheaper without any real perceived performance hit
@@blank.9301 I get in a couple of sessions a week, each session being 3-4 hours constant use I also have an M2 mpb with 8gb, memory usage isnt radically different. I use that for a bit of photo editing and iMovie But yeah - the dual core i5 with 8GB is fine given that Im using nevoid for code editing, and Zig for the compiler (zig is super efficient)
I am a doctor was thinking of getting 8gb m3 .. will it be enough! Things i will be doing is power point,taking notes ,and some web browsing( i have at least 10 tabs open)???
Its more than enough doc, dev's need high memory to work with but most people would be completely fine with the base variant. For eg. I am a designer currently using the base variant, I have 10 chrome tabs open at all times and a software that I work on and its a breeze. For your work a base variant is enough, you can get the 512 gb ssd or use an external ssd like me.
I am working as an IT Support Specialist and in our company the employees mostly work with m1 or m2 MacBook 8GB Ram and a lot of them report problems caused by the ram. The 8GB ram is to less for a professional environment and multitasking
Bear in mind that RAM usage is not an absolute (in most macOS apps) and is proportional to the amount of available RAM. If you have an 8GB Mac, a given app may use 3GB. If you have a 16GB Mac, the exact same app may use 5 or 6GB, and so on. Well designed apps, including macOS iteself, will allocate based on available RAM, and increase the size of caches accordingly. You need to look at the the amount of Swap memory used and the bandwidth of memory reads/writes to determine if you could benefit from more RAM.
I am using 8gb M1 mac pro for last year as work machine for flutter development. Works fine for me, I have no issues at all with emulator and simulator, android studio and other programs. Swap file are huge, but I don't care much. My company want to change machines to 16gb M3 macs, so I waiting for replace now :D
My old 16G M1 Macbook Air died because i spilled water over it. I needed a quick replacement. So i bought the M3 8G Macbook air and it is enough. I mostly develop Apps for Android and even with Emulators, 25 Chrome tabs and more it does not struggle. It is amazing.
@@Barcaforlife12 This is only theoretical, it doesn't cause any practical damage that someone would notice in the ~5-7 years they would go before upgrading.
I feel like something you missed is that most of apple’s sales are through other retailers like best buy, and at those places, getting a 16gb model is even more absurd. For example BB has 8gb models for the m2 air at $850 on sale, and the cheapest 16gb model is $1300 on sale. So for most people don’t even have the option unless they want to shell out $450+
MacOS always tries to fillup the RAM with cache and improve performance for cold start and apps reopen. So even if you close things or have nothing opened, the RAM will look like it has a lot of data loaded. But actually MacOS handles RAM very well and these models do Swapping very fast.
I'm not exactly a programmer; I'm an actuary who makes extensive use of RStudio and Matlab for time series analysis and developing risk management models. In my experience, 8 GB of RAM is sufficient; I don't need more. Even when processing 10 years of daily data, my MacBook Air does not require additional RAM. I don’t use machine learning models though, just pure statistics such as VEC, VARX, TARIMA, or sometimes, sophisticated survival models like extended Cox and tailored bootstrapping processes. I’ve got the M2 MacBook Air with 500 GB SSD and 8 GB of RAM, and it's enough for me; I think it is for most people too. It should be noted that I use my MacBook Air just for personal projects, not for work. At my job, it’s a different story; I need to use more sophisticated and computationally demanding models as I often process a vast amount of data with billions of rows. The computer I use professionally has 64 GB of RAM, and sometimes that’s not even enough.
Thanks. I have the same mba m2 8gb ram. So if I bought an app “script”/draft from say codecanyon it’d be able to handle it pretty good? Only working on it for 2-3hrs a day? Thanks
My work laptop has 16G ram. It’s not enough for my work. I mean it runs very well considering the memory pressure but it is slower than if I could close some stuff. But closing some stuff would make me slower. Xcode, android studio, android and iOS emulator and simulators take up the most ram. Then there’s Teams, OneNote, Safari, Zed, iterm2, Figma, Mail, Music and those are just the ones permanently open. Sometimes need more too. It generally works just fine in terms of everything “working” and happening eventually. No UI hitching and such. Just compile times are longer than if I quit some things. Personal laptop with 32G of ram and same cpu compiles noticeably faster in the same setup
8 G ram is only good for very light loading users. Before I upgrade my Fujifilm X H1 to 40MB pixel sensor X T5, I was very happy to work with my 8G M1 MBA. I usually take landscape photo, and sometimes for panaroma photos. Sometimes I might combine at least 10 or more raw photo. This is not possible with my M1. And therefore I upgrade for 16M M3 MBA. Even with this upgrade, I just manage to handle this task. Therefore the investment on hardware is well worthy. We are forced to catch up with new technology advancement.
I absolutely loved your review here. One of the best MacBook reviewers on RUclips in my opinion. You leave no stone unturned in your reviews. Please continue. I love your videos. ❤❤
i've had my m1 air since 2021, i used it as main machine for 2 years and my ssd isn't isn't dead, 8gb was enough for python backend work (vscode, terminal, and browser), meetings and media.
8gb macbook is enough for students. Not for anyone else. You can see immediately that the OS consumes 6gb doing nothing. If you're a person that has more than 4 tabs +2 apps open--8gb will slow down. If you're a multi-media person, 8gb will be an anchor. I just got the m3 16. I have used an M1 8gb for 3 years daily. The 16 gig just makes the experience, so, so so much smoother.
10:57-Absolutely true. I bought my MacbookPro 14 on M1Pro with 32 GB of RAM and 1 TB SSD in the middle of 2022, and I'm totally happy with it. I like how it's made, I like how it sounds, I like the screen and trackpad. I'm not sure I going to change it for another 3-5 years since it is totally fulfill my needs. PS. While watched this video I've openned activity monitor to see memory usage, here the result: Total RAM: 32 gb Mem used: 22,55 gb Cached Files: 9,20 gb Swap used: 0 So, the bigger the better :)
friend, based on your experience, you continue to recommend the MacBook air m1, because I want to learn python from scratch but I want a computer that will last for years without changing equipment all the time and I want to learn to program and use databases, I hope you can help me, thank you
I'd say 8 GB can be enough depending on your use. For big projects development I don't think 8 GB is a good choice on a Mac, and less on Windows. I own a Dell Latitude i7 with 16 GB of RAM and a M2 MBP with 8 GB. Usually the Mac runs smoother, quieter and is all around more stable. As an iPhone user the integration between those is a big plus. The use is mild, like video edition of short FHD videos, usually less than 3 mins, plus web browsing, text and spreadsheet editing, some photo editing, and I must say under the same demands the Mac does better than the i7 every time. Under more intensive use, on RAM I'd recommend going at least double of what I have.
I actually was about to buy a 16Gb M2 Air. Fortunately they didn't have that spec so they offered me to put a little bit more money and get 24GB 512GB SSD version which i'm absolutely happy with. this thing can run vscode and ios simulator and android emulator at the same time without using swap and best part is it doesn't even make a sound. It's literally a powerhouse for programmers. oh and btw don't worry about the fan, it's doesn't even get warm let alone getting hot
I think that the 8 GB macbook pro is good for people that only do browsing, maybe some netflix or use apps such as the office suite. anything intense is going to hit a wall in performance due to not enough ram. 16 gb should be the least that you should have for future proofing your machine and for a smoother experience. if you edit video or do anything intensive, the 8 gb version flies out the window.
Yup, i have a MBA 15 M2 and I thought it would be enough for my angular development environment and it kind of is ... but once I start my docker server or just anything else "heavy", its struggles definitely 16GB has to be the new minimum
For that much money, if you are not gaming, m3 pro max specced would provide you much better performance. As a senior engineer who codes at least 40 hours every week (some projects on Mac, some on linux through windows (using ELD) because of NDAs and different company policies) I wish windows could do the stuff mac intuitively does. I mean I still use windows desktop with 4080 super for gaming, multimedia and basically everything else but when it comes to coding/developing, it’s a no brainer
@@mii7sWhat about me a non experienced coder learning and wanting to use python or Java and/or swiftui and Xcode for only 2-3hrs a day on my m2 8gb MacBook Air? (With not much running in the background) Is it ok? Thanks
@@blank.9301I have never used the macbook air so no first hand experience but this channel has some videos on it if I remember correctly. I think 8gb will be fine as long as you are not working on large projects. I work with log files which are often 1-10 million lines each. Vscode cant handles this files even with 32gb unified memory. So I can’t imagine how it would be with 8gb. I use terminal based editor (neovim) for large projects.
@@blank.9301 I replied to your comment in details but looks like youtube removed the comment. I don’t know why. They can’t remove straight up scams but can very much create inconvenience for people. Anyway, my point in that comment was that I never used macbook air for coding so I have no first hand experience but from what I have seen online, you will be fine as long as its not a huge project you are working on, or huge files. For example, I have projects where I need to go through log files that are 1-10 million lines each. VSCode can’t run those projects even with 32gb memory so idk what would happen with 8gb. For any project with logfiles, I work from the terminal (neovim)
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Linux guy here besides the 8GB ram I agree there's a benefit of having a machine that you can just use. My notebook at work is just like that, I update once a while but it requires zero maintenance. My desktop is not that much different but I spend a few days a year to maintain or upgrade it, not everyone wants to do that.
I am the demographic for the macbook air 8gb lol. i just need it for every day use/ light gaming... (very light) its perfect for me, and i know it will last YEARS!
If you are writer (fiction or non-fiction), use your computer for business and maybe light coding in a terminal, or on a remote machine than you will be fine with 8GB. 8GB for serious development is not enough. Thanks for excellent videos!
@@akin242002 For plenty of people, spending an extra 10%-15% on a product is a small fortune. Obviously not for you, and that's great. You are Apples target market - more money than sense.
@@RRR4847-o9g You are not, because if you want 16GB/512GB then it is clearly listed in the Apple Store as £1500. You are not being charged £200 more for RAM and £200 more for storage, it just appears so. The equilibrium config is 16GB/512GB and upgrades and downgrades spin-off from that. So the expectation that if Apple had a base 16GB/512GB at the current 8GB/256GB price is baseless and absolute nonsense. All you will do is kill off the cheaper models and if you propose that, then you are selfish. Just look at all premium ultrabooks in Windows-land 512/16GB are around £1500-1600 (XPS 14, Surface Pro, Surface Laptop, Galaxy Book4 Pro, LG Gram, etc). So come back and talk sense when Windows OEMs sell premium ultrabooks at $1100 for 16GB/512GB (only mid-range).
In my opinion, if you're okay with 8GB RAM, you also don't need the Pro models. Like let's be fair. You're not doing anything performance heavy if you manage to get by with 8GB of RAM. So yeah, I would say that if you're getting the Pro, get 16 GB or more, and if you don't want to make that step, settle for the 8GB airs.
Videos like this are great but they will never be enough for the people who do not care about facts and reasonableness when it comes to Apple. They are the same ones who are in every comment section typing about Isheep and how they can buy a better windows laptop for half the price. When you ask them which laptop they are talking about, they disappear. Like zombies, they show up in another video saying the same thing. The fact is you can’t find one JUST AS good for half the price. If the main features of a laptop are display, camera, battery, keyboard, speakers, trackpad, chip and build quality. They know all these things, but they won’t shut up, ever. I would love to see a video one day about the type of person who worries excessively about how others value products differently or spend their money.
I always found 8 GB A foot in the door option. My mom has iphone and apple watch, so the $999, 8GB Macbook Air was perfect. No content creation or coding, just media consumption and maybe light photo editing. Anything with Pro in the name should start at 16 gigs and go up from there
With 8 GB you are essentially using swap as a memory. You will struggle, and you are also be wearing out your SSD. Interestingly, I set up an Arch Linux system with DWM and it was running under a half a gig.
When I used a M1 MacBook Pro with 8GB memory as a daily driver, I ran the fan to 7500. sure it was loud but not fighter jet loud. I wouldn't run parallels on an 8gb machine. if you're going to do web development, sure you can run it as a developer. even a intermediate developer. a beginner developer can run stuff on 8gb Macbook pro. you can run docker or brew a mysql server. Get paid. make some money. Upgrade. That's basically what you want to do if you only have money enough for 8gb MacBook Pro. It's not a bad machine. 4 years on I still have my M1 MacBook. I've upgraded to the m3 pro. I still have a use for my m1.I don't see doing ml work as a beginner. if you can afford m3 pro MacBook Pro, great. get that.
what apple did 4 years ago with the 8G M1 is simply amazing, for a lot of ppl out there it is still "sufficient", but I won't bet my money on an 8G M3(and PRO) hopping it will last for another 4 years. when M4 (or M5) comes out with 16G base, the M3( and PRO) 8G won't hold the value as good as the M2/1 had.
Went for the 24GB 15" to replace a loud 16" M3 Max and I'm happy so far. I have similar workflows to you but drivinga Pro Display XDR with it. I noticed slight stutter a couple of times when typing in Spotlight and closing a tab but the load was low so I've no clue what that was. Using the Hot utility to easily see if I'm thermal throttling. No issues so far, using Android Studio next week though so 🤞 I'm only missing the display quality a little but prefer the how light the 15" Air feels compared to the 14" even though they're similar in weight. 120hz OLED MBA 15" would be my perfect laptop I think.
My experience, it's definitely not enough. The moment I start using docker, firefox browser, visual code (worse if jetbrain rider) , performance start crawling on my 8gb M1 macmini. Memory utilization already peaking red lines. In my opinion 32 GB is the minimum for developers. I have the 2020 MacBook pro 16" with 32GB from work and it's still power horse for all of my development workflow.
Based on this video, my developer experience with my M2 Air with 16 GB RAM seems to be better than your M3 with 8 GB. 16 GB has been great for me as an Android Developer with 2 or 3 IDEs open and 2 separate instances of Chrome with 20 or 30 tabs open on each.
I just built a 1.5 liter mini home server, and bought a single 32 GB DDR5 module for it (to allow expanding it to 64 GB later if needed). It cost maybe 90 euros... I find it ridiculous that Apple consumers defend a company that price gouges them into oblivion, in a day and age when things like +8GB of RAM almost costs pennies.
The thing is that this is not about if 8GB is enough for something or not... It's about how expensive that air or pro configuration is with 8GB of Ram. And, how much cost Ram update on 16GB and more...
a brand can make something as expensive as they want. if someone wants something, but they can’t afford it, they shop elsewhere. It’s always been this way.
Tha main thing is. Most apple users saying. 8GB is for entry users, its for web, webbrowsing etc. Im saying well than go for chromebook. In the rest, yes you are 100% the price is done by users. If users still not complain enough nothing will change.
The type of development matters a lot. I never use VM, Docker, ML or K8S. That said, I choose my own stack but I understand not all developers can choose freely.
If you're a developer, videographer, or anyone with more than pedestrian needs, I wouldn't pick up anything with less than 16gb. 32gb should be standard for the above users and if your livelihood depends on it then its a no-brainer to invest on the tools. Buy nice or buy twice.
Note that Apple has been charging insane prices for RAM upgrades way before the Apple silicon era. The "it's a SOC!" argument doesn't hold water. Back in the Intel days, it used to the case that you could simply buy *exactly the same* memory module Apple was sellling you for 1/4 the price or less.
I use my base M1 Air for web,office,tuner studio/megalogviewer setting up my track car and media consumption...8/256 is just fine for my use.You should choose your machine based on usage.
Uninstalling on MacOS is probably the only thing I hate about that OS. Generally it is easy with a drop of an app to the trash or a uninstall app, but there are so many times where you gotta dig to get rid of all the files.
I'm using Macbook Air M1 with minimum 8 GB... as a remote development machine with VSCode and terminal, so I don't have any struggles about low amount of RAM at all ))
Thanks for this. I was thinking about getting a MacBook Air but worried getting spoiled with Thinkpad with 32GB at work would not make me tolerate the MacBook Air with basic foundation.
The main reason I got a MacBook was because you can’t launch iOS apps without one. Also the build quality is better than most cheaper or even around the same price windows laptops.
Immense battery life for the pro? My M1 lasts around 6 hours. MBA lasts way more and much lighter. I just wish Apple would put a decent screen on it so I can replace my Pro with MBA.
I've used my 8gb M2 air 13 as an intro to the apple silicon for just over a year for a good amount of my development time. I've found it handles most work just fine, some architecture compile hoops to jump through but as far as hardware performance issues it generally runs fine. The only times i've had issues and noticed some slow down is when i've had docker instances open, or running several servers locally or running ios simulator. No major issues just some slow down that i could really live with if i needed to but i've now ordered a 16gb M3 air 13. almost all of my work is node, js, ts, python with vscode (5 or so extensions). I was extremly surprised. any 8gb linux or windows laptop would have choked to unusable levels easily. I do use my windows zephyrus 7945hx 32gb machine for c++ and game development though, the macs just not worth the hoops to get macos usable for me here. I dont see any change here with the m3 16gb either, i still plan to use the zephyrus where the muscle is needed, with its awe inspiring 45 minutes to 1 hour battery, the mac's slaughter here with an easy 8 hours under actual use and in excess of 12 hours on lighter loads.
Sharing my experience here, good and bad. Trying to be neutral here, and make conclusions BASED ON ACTUAL TESTS, instead of rhetoric.
only if Apple will see this video and understand you cannot ship a 1000$+ with 8GB of RAM in 20xx when you can buy any laptop with 16GB RAM with less than 400$
@@TechwithStefan Yes if only Tim saw my video, then he would definitely lower the prices.
@@AZiskI do sense the sarcasm here Alex, nice point
But still I wonder how Apple will be pricing / spec products today if Steve Jobs will still be around,
Saying that because I remember watching a lot of keynotes from him and each year he will present more memory for that product and even for same price or cheaper, he understood the impact of this and this helped Apple grow
Even back in the day , Apple had let’s say expensive products but some had similar or even better price than what PC can offer
Coming back to 8GB on a Pro machine .. the problem is also MacOS , it is no Damn Small Linux , and back in the days I used to build hackingtosh using snow leopard 10.6.8 on my Acer Aspire One with 2GB of ram and it will run great
Even before I had a Thinkpad T61 and run MacOS on it and using Paraleles run Windows virtually and had 3GB of ram on a dual core T7100 intel.. today software is demanding too much RAM and we don’t see the improvements, so yes macOS has become like Chrome , hungry for ram.
PS: if Steve Jobs will be around we sure will have had better prices or/and 16GB RAM 512GB ssd on 1000$ Apple machines
Ps2: maybe also an Apple car and a cheap and good iPhone SE4 for 459$ today
PS3 I enjoy your videos , keep up the good work !
it's so refreshing to have a content creator who really gets it, your Analysis is spot on.
my father is a woodworker, the money to invest as a developer to be able to work is a complete joke.
even if you buy the most expensive mac pro with triple Studio XDR displays + 3 stands for well over 100k it's still nothing in comparison.
a single big machine costs more than that, not to mention the building, the energy, the employee's etc...
a developer just needs a laptop and that's basically it, yet we are crying for couple 100 bucks for more memory or storage.
8GB is not an option at all, My daily usage of RAM is ~14GB without LLM. Docker (redis+postgresql) + Pycharm + Webstorm + Chrome + all messangers like slack, signal etc. And since this is unified memory e.g. it''s being used by CPU and GPU then we are talking that for CPU it's not even 8B but less, because some RAM is taken by GPU
I’ve decided to opt for a pre-owned M1 MacBook Pro with 32GB of RAM, as it’s more affordable. In my experience, having ample RAM to ensure smooth program execution outweighs the marginal speed increase from a newer M3 MacBook Pro with only 8GB of RAM
This is the route I was just thinking of going… my old 2013 MacBook Pro just died… so I am thinking the M1 would still be an amazingly faster system compared to my old one.
I did the same 5 years ago with my 2016 MacBook Pro but unfortunately, I had to change it this year because it wouldn't support any new software updates.
@@moraruines6526 8 year 😅, just let its rest pro
Good choice
@@phongnamhai yeah, i run an m1 32g, not going to upgrade until the new m4 comes out
8gb for a $1000 machine is just legal crime lol. $400 for 32gb is just true crime.
@@MarkStoddard Good luck with that if your doing productivity.
And 256gb ssd in laptop is a torture
You can get 128gb for 400 on windows ddr5😂
1 300€ in france for the cheapest version so 1440usd
@@wrench_in I mean, is it? For an Air, that is completely fine. Nowadays everything uses the cloud so you are definetly not filling up ur ssd.
I have a friend(web developer) who bought an m1 with 8 gigabytes of memory. He used it with docker. His ssd died 1.5 years later...
I have a 2012 MBP15 16GB, 256GB SSD .... (web developer) ... lasted me 10yrs before the SSD died.
🤷🏻♂
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu exactly, you had double ram == less swap
RIP SSD. It didn't deserve the RAM abuse.
@@RunForPeace-hk1cu well like the person before already said the SSD died not because it's a bad SSD but because of Swap. 8Gb of RAM will use SSD as Swap pretty much all thé time especially now in 2024. That's why OP's SSD died in 1.5years
I don't think it's because of the memory swap. My friend did the same, even worse. still good on 4 years
I'm front-end developer for 1.5 years(job, not pet projects). Bought my first Mac a half year ago for work. I'm using Air M2 8gb for web and mobile development. 90% of time it is enough. If you are starting programming journey moast of the time you don't need M3 Max 64gb. Don't spend money if you are not sure.
@@cannibalriga7469 thanks.. I needed a comment like this
@@gintoki_sakata__ I use an M1 mac mini with 8gb / 256ssd, mostly for web development (side projects at home). I have no complaints with this machine, it does everything I want it to do. There are certain workflows that are more intensive. Obviously doing any kind of AI stuff, you're going to need a more powerful machine. Ditto for mobile development. It's really dependent on what you plan to do with the machine. These specs are more than enough for web development.
@@lennypinskiy6598 speak for yourself. If you are drawing buttons in a notepad then its enouph. i just want to say that home projects are not real ones.
@@Andrushe4kanka they are indeed real ones.(most of "OSS" are home projects and you got governments depending on them)
@@cannibalriga7469 I need MacBook Air for web designing, app development. Do I need 16GB on M2? Or just 8GB is enough or not?
Yes, common sense.
If the apps you run are RAM-intensive and you make your living from developing, then 8GB should not even be on your radar. The question would be 16GB or 24GB on the base M3, or 18GB or 36GB on the M3 Pro MB Pros?
As a professional driver for 40 years (60-80K miles a year) I bought expensive cars like Audis and VWs. I could buy a similar car for 66% of the price, but it was my living so I bought premium due to quality and reliability. If it is your living, do not skimp out on RAM or storage; as a dev the computer is your livelihood, an investment...common sense.
Good comparison, true 👍🏻
I thought you would buy good cars like Toyota or Honda
Buying Audi or VW for reliability ? LMAO
@@BaieDesBaies I have driven every single car as part of my job and VW and Audi are the most reliable from my experience. I have multiple of both over the years and had no issues with any of them and a couple of them did over 200,000 miles and we're still going strong. Mercedes went for a bad time with reliability way back when. So I don't know what else in the premium sector was as good as these two. I did have BMWs but they didn't work for me.
@@andyH_England Of course you have driven every single car since there are only thousands of models among 400 brands.
The worst part isn't the 8GB of RAM, but the fact that is not even upgradable.
All Core Ultra 7 laptops from Intel have soldered RAM, and 100% Snapdragon X Elite will be soldered RAM. And remember all tablets and phones have soldered RAM.
@@andyH_Englandyea it's a plague, if manufacturers are too greedy to put another $20 into their $1000+ devices, then at least make it upgradable (for laptops, I understand that it would be hard for phones), otherwise it's just manufactured garbage
and in case Snapdragon X Elite will have AI branding, guess what you'll need a lot of? that's right, RAM! (as the video stated, you'll probably need 32 GB at least if you want to do something kinda decent
It is not even that. Non upgradable is the result of extreme thin chassis and better performance. It is the upgrade price that is outrageous as RAM price has gone down significantly.
@@AaronFigFront the surface Laptop 6 and Dell XPS 14 all start at 8GB and have the same upgrade costs. Both are premium ultrabooks. I'm not sure why you pick Apple out and let Microsoft and Dell get a free pass. Maybe it is a lack of understanding of how demand side economics works.
@@andyH_EnglandI am not. Not mentioning them doesn’t mean I am giving Dell and Microsoft a pass. Their stuff is even worse.
I remember when you were sub 100K and look where you are now.
Thank you for all your hard work!
Let’s go 300K!
thanks for being there along with me
I think Apple should be forced to allow us upgrade the SSD. They always argue environment as one of the reasons they do things. Not allowing us to upgrade RAM or SSD is complete against that same philosophy.
SSD sure, but the RAM is also used as video memory so the soldering right next to CPU/GPU makes sense.
@@Thezftw Saw some test. It doesent make sense. 0 difference
storage and RAM are on the SOC die. this is part of the reason they are so fast. They don't work like windows machine. It's no different to buying a smartphone, you can't upgrade ram afterwards. It's not like apple have a gun to your head and say buy their stuff. You know before hand what you are paying for. If you don't like it, don't pay. and if you want to upgrade them do so at time of purchase.
They've never argued environment for upgrades LOL. they are charging more because you are getting more.
@@percy9228 Wrong. Storage is very much not on the SoC die. Only the storage controller. The storage chips, which determine the actual performance, are soldered down but not located on the die. And they are the same exact storage chips you would find on an NVMe drive from major manufacturers.
RAM - fine. But storage - no.
@@chic_luke I apologise I was wrong. storage is not on die and Ram is as you said. damn for storage they definetly charging a massive premium then
I feel like if you are developing software professionally, then just go crazy and spec way more RAM than you'll ever need. $3k, $4k, it's a drop in the ocean for your primary professional tool. It's better to waste money and have more RAM than you will ever need, than to try to predict how much RAM you'll need and to come up short. Software devs are blessed, the tools of our trade are cheap compared to e.g. video or audio gear. If you're not a professional and you're on a budget, then find some way to buy a machine with 16GB, even if it's an older gen. A CPU upgrade just makes a machine faster, but a RAM upgrade gives a machine new capabilities.
well said
Very well said. I'm still on a laptop that's over 7 years old. It has 64 GB of RAM because that's how I wanted it to have when I bought it and I knew I'll use them. This did help me greatly in being able to have many things opened at once and even using RAMDisks, which I love.
Now I'm bitter that 128 GB laptops are still not really a thing. They're rare and the RAM is at terrible speeds (even on desktops). While right now I don't reallly need 128 GBs, since I want my next laptop to also last for 7 years (preferably 10), I know I will eventually use 128 GB of RAM. Hopefully with Arrow Lake I might be lucky (or Zen 5, but I kinda want Intel)
True, i had top 2017 PC with 32 at 3200mhz, i used to use 20 daily, better to have more than less and more important on apple equipment which sucks for upgrading something: you can’t
I would have to disagree slightly: for development in a compiled language (C++,Rust and so on) having a good CPU can be life changing when dealing with large projects, more so than RAM. And for gaming Vulkan compatibility is becoming more and more a requirement, which most old pc's don't meet. For everything else, 100% agree, RAM and repairability are the most important factors if you want a long lasting device.
(To drive the point a bit, my Samsung Tab from two years ago, a tablet running android, compiles at times thrice as fast as my windows professional grade i5 laptop from 2013)
Not everyone can afford the luxury. I earn below $150 a month
I use the 16gb version of the m3 macbook from apple refurbished for unity. It gets the gpu results of a m1 pro, the battery life of an air, and the cpu results of like an m2 pro. If you are on edge about spending too much money, get an m3 refurbished you will not regret it.
Bought an M3 Air 15 16/512 and it is a brilliant laptop. A pro device for people who don’t need something that needs to sit there churning through sustained tasks
@@robgardner4754 that kind of defeats the pro name
@@barknbryce6993 Well he got an Air, not Pro
m3 refurbished? these things are barely out, so they probably have the same price as new
@@xAnonymousComedia they don't have the listing anymore but I got a m3 macbook pro 16gb ram 512gb storage for $1520 which is basically $300 off retail.
The problem is not about paying for 8gb of ram, the problem is that Apple doesn’t allow you to upgrade anything.
Not to mention, usable memory is actually lower since some memory is used for the GPU. It’s an absolute insult that Apple is selling entry level products with 8GB of RAM.
That problem is becoming the norm in the industry with most of win ultrabooks and some newly released gaming laps have soldered ram:v
Well, that's kind of understandable considering the soldered RAM is part of what makes the processor so fast. If we're talking about software development or video editing obviously 16GB should be the bare minimum, but we have to understand that the 8GB MacBook Air is also marketed to students and people who will use it for light tasks and who want a laptop that will last them the whole day without having to plug it in. I do agree that $200 for an extra 8GB is outrageous.
@@bren.r It depends on your use case, if you're doing heavy video editing it might be an advantage. Let's say you're working on a MacBook Pro with 48GB of unified memory and the system/CPU is consuming 10GB of memory, that means there are 38GB left for the GPU/video software to use. This wouldn't be the case if you had a computer with 24GB of RAM and 24GB of VRAM.
Be happy that the battery doesn't come inside the chip(unified battery)😂
I have a 2013 MBAir which is still used regularly.
It has 4GB of RAM and the SSD is still alive. The charger died a few months ago, but before that MacBook was still used regularly by kids.
I started freelancing and my own app development using that MBAir and it was fine.
8GB is okay for beginner iOS developers today, you will need a few years of experience to hit the limits of it :)
Sure, upgrade RAM if you can, then MB will last longer.
I was tempted to get the m3 macbook pro base model for android development. But 8gb is just not enough everywhere you look. I ended up getting used m1 macbook air 1tb ssd 16gb ram config. The experience with this machine is amazing. It can handle the project I am working on pretty well (about 84 screens). It is super light and the battery is the best. If you are on a tight budget, m1 air is the best value.
Are u using an emulator or a physical device ?
@@mahmoudaakil1564 Emulator.
A CAVEAT THOUGH FOR EVERYONE: Without airconditioner in your room, this macbook will become hotter as you continue to build and run your app. It will almost be untouchable. It will still work though, but without separate keyboard and mouse, you'll be in an uncomfortable situation. I don't know if it's the same case with macbook pros that has fan/active cooling.
Where are y’all getting your used laptops from
@@asdfghjk8876 backmarket???
SSD Swap is completely fine for the computer. It'll theoretically take 80+ years with constant swap (20GB/a day). It doesn't even reduce performance that much. Realistically, you won't keep this laptop longer than 5-6 years.
16GB RAM should be the minimum in 2024.
With all the AI features that are coming 16GB is the new 8GB. Meaning, a scam.
If you're running a Windows machine you need at least 32GB to be future proof for at least 5-6 years.
@@ndzone_TopGI been running 64GB the last 2 years since is so cheap.
I'd say 24
It is now minimum 16gb of ram for the m4 mac
If you plan on reselling or trading-in, it's a good idea to stick to base models. for instance, if you need 16GB of RAM and plan on reselling, get the M3 pro mbp. It's more expensive than the M3 mbp upgraded to 16GB, but you make up for it in resale value
If you are working or have a business buy what you need and write it up.
I just bought my first MacBook. I got the MacBook Pro M4 14 inch base model. Now it comes with 16GB of ram and 512GB SSD. MacOS takes between 4-6GB to run. I don't do anything pro except some photo editing with Photomator. The computer is blazing fast. Uses 11GB of ram at most and caches the rest. Doesn't need to swap.
I sold my 2020 ipad Pro at a used device shop, plus I got the education discount. Total price I paid at the apple store $1,150.
I got the 36GB Macbook M3 Pro. Been working like a bunch of docker containers, running some crazy systems locally and haven't shutdown my computer since I bought it 2 month ago. Pretty good stuff.
@@reggieescobar2772 my guy that's like the highest end laptop you can get, I would be very worried if that wasn't the case 😅
Although I still personally struggle with the idea of 8GB ram on a laptop $1500+, I completely agree with your conclusion. Re: how well macs depreciate and resale value ... I can see older but higher-speced macs reselling well, but do lower end macs also have that great a resell value? I imagine a M3 MBA 8gb model wouldn't resell as well in a few years.
They will have no resell value because they're most likely dead in a few years when the SSD reached its TBW threshold (from the constant swap attacks) and the thing transformed into e-waste...
the docker container argument definitely holds on any computer.
@8:42 "... before I truly understood the value of time."
🤣🤣🤣
Hey Alex, I had a suggestion. Why don't you compare the M2 Air 16gb 256gb variant with the M3 Air 8gb 256gb variant. They cost the exact same.
very good; finally someone who realised that getting the latest CPU with 8 GB RAM may be a worse choice than some CPU that's a bit slower but that doesn't run into that hard memory bottleneck
@@alphaspace1100 what do you think? I am buying the MacBook for browsing, tutoring and studying. Is it better to buy m2 with 16gb/512gb or m3 with bigger SSD or RAM?
Brasil dev: I have a base 14-inch MacBook Pro m2 pro, 16gb ram and 512gb hd. I previously had the 8gb m1 13 pro, and I couldn't develop in c#/unity on it. I don't even do 3D, but even just opening Unity and Rider would make it slow and sometimes crash. So I don't recommend the 8gb to anyone who develops software, not even for web development because I also tested it and had a bad experience with 8gb.
The tests disregard apps opened for several hours and tabs opened in browsers, IDEs. If your budget only allows for a base Mac mini, buy it and be happy. The important thing is to get started.
I highly recommend 16gb of ram, much more than 512gb of HD, even though I know that after installing everything I use, I use about 250gb.
why just dont buy mac ? (expensive for no reason)
I am on the fence over buying a M3 Max 16' 36GB 1TB SSD to kind of future-proof myself, or get the M3 PRO 16' 18GB 512GB SSD.
I do know that future-proof is an illusion, but it is always there bothering me that I might not be getting the best machine I can for work.
I also understand the idea of not buying a mac and upgrading my Desktop, atm it is good, but could use some upgrades.
@@matus9787 Battery life: The battery life is truly exceptional. I purchased the $2000 model, which I believe offers the best value for money.
Noise: There is some noise present, but it is only noticeable when opening 3D applications. In such cases, I would not recommend any Mac computer due to the limited availability of 3D libraries and the prevalence of performance issues. However, I am currently developing a top-down game that does not require extensive graphics processing.
@@alopradocai I recommend that you only buy the $4000 version if you absolutely need it. You can buy a MacBook Pro 16 now, and in 3 years, you can sell your current one and use the money, plus a little extra, to buy a new 16 m5 pro 2nm.
@@lamphantom2289 Yeah that is what I'll probably do! Right now I will wait a little longer for any news too.
The conf from apple in June might bring some news regarding changes or new chips.
I'm also a Brazilian developer! :D
There's nothing "Pro" about 8GBs of RAM since at least 2014. The last PC I built with only 8GBs of RAM was in 2010.
here we go. another commenter who didn’t watch the video
If you are soppy enough to base a laptop on what the marketing term is, then you really shouldn't; I suspect you will be buying an AI PC because you think it is an AI machine! Ignore the marketing and names, do your research and base a purchase on your own sense. Really! Thinking a "pro" label makes it a pro machine is nuts! The iPhone Pro is not a pro iPhone. Apple uses "Pro" to define their most feature-packed device within a line! Come on...common sense needed...
I see the M3 MacBook Pro as a pro machine for business users/office professionals who are not usually going to be power users. It's Pro as in Professional. I could see this being a perfect laptop for someone who works in marketing, real estate, sales, etc that need the long battery life, HDMI output, SD card input, more-durable-than-the-air but still portable chassis, and so on, but not necessarily need the higher RAM and performance that the M3Pro and the M3Max offers.
I think so many people get hung up on the word 'Pro' and confuse it for power user. These pro machines are not for power users, but they are every bit professional devices for those that make their living with them.
@@AZisk I watched the video. That doesn't keep me from having a problem with Apple calling a laptop with 8GB of RAM in 2024 a Pro model. I got the impression you agree. Or you wouldn't have to go back to 2007 in your own history for a computer with just 8GB. Apple's upgrade costs keep them from selling more units. It's their choice but I'd have 3x as many Apple products in my home if they had more realistic pricing on RAM and storage. Anything other than a base model isn't worth buying unless it comes with ample storage and RAM. Upgraded models don't hold value the way base models do.
@@martyk656 I''m with Andy here - just because Apple calls it Pro doesn't mean it's going to match some people's opinion of Pro. However, as I've mentioned in prior videos, THIS machine (the M3 MacBook Pro) is the least Pro MacBook Pro that Apple has released since I've been using them (2013). I'm ok with that, just look at specs, not the name.
Paid 800 for my Lenovo with Gpu, 1tb SSD and 16gb of ram new. Installed Ubuntu. Had good use of it as web dev and better system. Sold it for 500. Got new Lenovo. For MacBook I would have to pay 1800 and sell for 1200. Better screen and battery on MacBook, but would cost me double the money over 2 years. Lenovo model I had was Ideapad pro 16. Base models of apple macs are keeping value well but the more expensive ones are not.
@@forthphoto totaly agree with you, I am using lenovo with 10th gen i7 and 20GB ram.
Bought it new for around 1100$.
I really do not care about resale value.
Using very heavy docker images like oracle DB, aerospike, etc... and with 2 intelij window opened and bunch of browser tabs.
It struggle a little bit in windows. But using it the same way in linux , it is just flawless and smooth.
But... screen, keyboard and trackpad are terrible in comparison with my 15 year old lenovo! Let alone macbooks!
I started using apple products due to how tired I was being vulnerable with windows and having to micromanage all the silent process behind my knowledge making the pc slow. Now a Mac user I must say that as data scientist and AI dev I am decoupling from the MS environment. Every technology tree has pros and cons, my recommendation is to spend a bit more on memory or use an external memory for your OS , that will eliminate the abuse of the OS on the hard drive.
Funny my windows 11 pro machine doesn’t have these problems with memory
8gb is the weak link with my m1. Hope to jump to a pro.
As a developer I 16gb is not enough sometimes, though 16gb is mandatory. If you have no price constraint go with the higher RAM. It is true for both mac and windows.
Apple's miserly view of Pro memory is making the Snapdragon Elite chip look really attractive.
some real competition coming? maybe
Just buy an x86 chip.
Snapdragon elite with Linux wouid fly. My 16GB RAM AMD Ryzen 7 laptop uses just 4GB in Ubuntu but about 10GB in Windows just doing office tasks and cloud devops. Huge difference. Ok not for everyone but my experience in Linux has been very positive and yes I even play games in Linux.
Dammmmitnibkust bought m3 MacBook Air but really wishing rn I got copilot or some new idk
@@NumanQ. yeah….no….. poor battery
5:56 Yeah I've noticed on Windows that once you get to 3/4 usage then it really starts to get slow.
i was suffering with 8gb m1 pro in react native development =) , 18gb m3 the minimum step for comfortable app development. Thank you Alex, your videos are great.
if someone's confused like me on 8GB and 16GB, i bought a m2 air 8 gb for my development, but, i was very wrong for my decision, yes it worked well but, it was lagging in many places. 8gb will never be enough for development, its better to go for 16gb always, i sold my laptop after using for 5 months and also had to work with minimal apps open, so, i upgraded to 18gb m3 Pro. And after that life changed :D
The HDMI port matters so much to me. To me this is the best presentation laptop. Dongles use 5-15 watts of power and plugging directly into the HDMI port gives phenomenal battery life when hooked to a projector. Videos can be shown in HDR, SD cards can be plugged in no sweat, speakers are great. Presentation presentation presentation. There is a very specific audience for this device. I have a m1 Max 32GB machine, and the M3 14inch Macbook Pro is a great secondary device.
There are two schools of thought on spec'ing out a Mac: 1. Pay extra now to future-proof it for 5 to 10 years of use. 2. Buy the value sweet spot now, and then upgrade later when you need more. Which one is better now depends on what Apple does in the future, especially if they bump minimum RAM to 16 GB in the near future.
I went with the 8 GB base model simply because I know this year for some personal reasons I'm not going to work that intensively with my machine and not going to push it that far anyways, until I need to, then I will buy whatever the new model they lunch and max it out.
Same
The big issue with the M3 MBP is that it’s in a price squeeze between the 15” MBA for $300 less ($100 if equipped with 512GB SSD) and the 14” MBP with M3 Pro at just $400 more, but includes 18GB RAM, more ports, and a second fan. If you upgrade the M3 MBP to 16GB RAM, then it’s only $200 less than the M3 Pro version. It’s a machine that probably shouldn’t be called “Pro”, and has a narrow spot in the market.
Yes, great point. I'd like to be squeezed up to that M3 Pro with 18GB if I can
I had an Macbook Air M1 with 8gb because I had a notebook(Dell) from my last job, I started to work in a new place where you had to use your own computer
I worked with a Macbook Air for 1 month to see if I could but was insane the amount of swap, in the end I bought a Macbook Pro with 16gb which still doing some swap but works fine (I have a friend who have a 64gb MBP but never reached more than 30gb, the ideal for development I think would be 24-32gb)
The Air with 8GB is fine for middle school kids or blue-collar workers that use it for general web browsing and light photo editing. Maybe even light video editing if someone stops using browser tabs.
Past that, get 16GB of RAM.
@@akin242002in my opinion, 8 GB memory are completely acceptable, but in any situation, where the advantages of a MacBook would actually matter (like video editing), your RAM would really limit you. All the use cases you described can probably be done with an old MacBook/normal laptop for way cheaper without any real perceived performance hit
My spare MacBook that I only use with Neovim and serious zig development has 8gb, and never needs to reach for swap. Plenty of room.
Can I ask how many hrs a day you use it . I have m2 8gb
@@blank.9301 I get in a couple of sessions a week, each session being 3-4 hours constant use
I also have an M2 mpb with 8gb, memory usage isnt radically different. I use that for a bit of photo editing and iMovie
But yeah - the dual core i5 with 8GB is fine given that Im using nevoid for code editing, and Zig for the compiler (zig is super efficient)
I am a doctor was thinking of getting 8gb m3 .. will it be enough!
Things i will be doing is power point,taking notes ,and some web browsing( i have at least 10 tabs open)???
Its more than enough doc, dev's need high memory to work with but most people would be completely fine with the base variant. For eg. I am a designer currently using the base variant, I have 10 chrome tabs open at all times and a software that I work on and its a breeze.
For your work a base variant is enough, you can get the 512 gb ssd or use an external ssd like me.
I am working as an IT Support Specialist and in our company the employees mostly work with m1 or m2 MacBook 8GB Ram and a lot of them report problems caused by the ram. The 8GB ram is to less for a professional environment and multitasking
I have the m3 with 24gb of ram and I usually use 18gb of the 24 for development
How do you know?
@@AZisk activity monitor
nowadays many programs eat memory like nothing; I regularly need 24-32 GB for unity development (on PC tho but it would probably be similar on MacOS)
@@alphaspace1100anyone that’s reading this, please don’t use 8GB machine for Unity development. Thanks. That is all
Bear in mind that RAM usage is not an absolute (in most macOS apps) and is proportional to the amount of available RAM. If you have an 8GB Mac, a given app may use 3GB. If you have a 16GB Mac, the exact same app may use 5 or 6GB, and so on. Well designed apps, including macOS iteself, will allocate based on available RAM, and increase the size of caches accordingly.
You need to look at the the amount of Swap memory used and the bandwidth of memory reads/writes to determine if you could benefit from more RAM.
I am using 8gb M1 mac pro for last year as work machine for flutter development. Works fine for me, I have no issues at all with emulator and simulator, android studio and other programs. Swap file are huge, but I don't care much. My company want to change machines to 16gb M3 macs, so I waiting for replace now :D
My old 16G M1 Macbook Air died because i spilled water over it. I needed a quick replacement. So i bought the M3 8G Macbook air and it is enough. I mostly develop Apps for Android and even with Emulators, 25 Chrome tabs and more it does not struggle. It is amazing.
@@Spaffel how’s it going. how about containers and vm running?
@@cityrunner-x3x it going great. I have some Docker Containers for local test-apis and database and it works like a charm
Your storage ssd is gonna die in like 1-2 years
@@Barcaforlife12 This is only theoretical, it doesn't cause any practical damage that someone would notice in the ~5-7 years they would go before upgrading.
I feel like something you missed is that most of apple’s sales are through other retailers like best buy, and at those places, getting a 16gb model is even more absurd. For example BB has 8gb models for the m2 air at $850 on sale, and the cheapest 16gb model is $1300 on sale.
So for most people don’t even have the option unless they want to shell out $450+
MacOS always tries to fillup the RAM with cache and improve performance for cold start and apps reopen. So even if you close things or have nothing opened, the RAM will look like it has a lot of data loaded. But actually MacOS handles RAM very well and these models do Swapping very fast.
I'm not exactly a programmer; I'm an actuary who makes extensive use of RStudio and Matlab for time series analysis and developing risk management models. In my experience, 8 GB of RAM is sufficient; I don't need more. Even when processing 10 years of daily data, my MacBook Air does not require additional RAM. I don’t use machine learning models though, just pure statistics such as VEC, VARX, TARIMA, or sometimes, sophisticated survival models like extended Cox and tailored bootstrapping processes. I’ve got the M2 MacBook Air with 500 GB SSD and 8 GB of RAM, and it's enough for me; I think it is for most people too. It should be noted that I use my MacBook Air just for personal projects, not for work. At my job, it’s a different story; I need to use more sophisticated and computationally demanding models as I often process a vast amount of data with billions of rows. The computer I use professionally has 64 GB of RAM, and sometimes that’s not even enough.
Thanks. I have the same mba m2 8gb ram. So if I bought an app “script”/draft from say codecanyon it’d be able to handle it pretty good? Only working on it for 2-3hrs a day? Thanks
My work laptop has 16G ram. It’s not enough for my work. I mean it runs very well considering the memory pressure but it is slower than if I could close some stuff. But closing some stuff would make me slower. Xcode, android studio, android and iOS emulator and simulators take up the most ram. Then there’s Teams, OneNote, Safari, Zed, iterm2, Figma, Mail, Music and those are just the ones permanently open. Sometimes need more too. It generally works just fine in terms of everything “working” and happening eventually. No UI hitching and such. Just compile times are longer than if I quit some things.
Personal laptop with 32G of ram and same cpu compiles noticeably faster in the same setup
8 G ram is only good for very light loading users. Before I upgrade my Fujifilm X H1 to 40MB pixel sensor X T5, I was very happy to work with my 8G M1 MBA. I usually take landscape photo, and sometimes for panaroma photos. Sometimes I might combine at least 10 or more raw photo. This is not possible with my M1. And therefore I upgrade for 16M M3 MBA. Even with this upgrade, I just manage to handle this task. Therefore the investment on hardware is well worthy. We are forced to catch up with new technology advancement.
I absolutely loved your review here. One of the best MacBook reviewers on RUclips in my opinion. You leave no stone unturned in your reviews. Please continue. I love your videos. ❤❤
Wow, thank you!
i've had my m1 air since 2021, i used it as main machine for 2 years and my ssd isn't isn't dead, 8gb was enough for python backend work (vscode, terminal, and browser), meetings and media.
Thanks for finally putting a video of real world usage of 8gb M3.
Been looking for this for years now.
Would like to see the same tests on 16gb
You've been looking for m3 benchmarks for "years" ?
@@Nemesis-db8fl Real world usage is not the same as benchmarks
8gb macbook is enough for students. Not for anyone else. You can see immediately that the OS consumes 6gb doing nothing. If you're a person that has more than 4 tabs +2 apps open--8gb will slow down. If you're a multi-media person, 8gb will be an anchor.
I just got the m3 16. I have used an M1 8gb for 3 years daily. The 16 gig just makes the experience, so, so so much smoother.
Seems like any need for emulators or vms you’re best to get 16gb of ram. Why put yourself through the pain?
I did it to warn people:)
If someone needs virtual machines and docker the minimum is 16 GB… or an external machine to do the virtualisation is also possible too
Totally you are the most amazing dev I have ever saw in my entire dev life since 2010, just wanted to tell you cheers,
My daughter is 26 years old. The laptop I bought for her for high school had 16GB of RAM.
10:57-Absolutely true. I bought my MacbookPro 14 on M1Pro with 32 GB of RAM and 1 TB SSD in the middle of 2022, and I'm totally happy with it. I like how it's made, I like how it sounds, I like the screen and trackpad.
I'm not sure I going to change it for another 3-5 years since it is totally fulfill my needs.
PS. While watched this video I've openned activity monitor to see memory usage, here the result:
Total RAM: 32 gb
Mem used: 22,55 gb
Cached Files: 9,20 gb
Swap used: 0
So, the bigger the better :)
I’ve still got my M1 MacBook Air. I mostly do Xcode, Python 3, and Xojo for programming and Pages for reading the occasional MS Word document. 😅
friend, based on your experience, you continue to recommend the MacBook air m1, because I want to learn python from scratch but I want a computer that will last for years without changing equipment all the time and I want to learn to program and use databases, I hope you can help me, thank you
I'd say 8 GB can be enough depending on your use. For big projects development I don't think 8 GB is a good choice on a Mac, and less on Windows. I own a Dell Latitude i7 with 16 GB of RAM and a M2 MBP with 8 GB. Usually the Mac runs smoother, quieter and is all around more stable. As an iPhone user the integration between those is a big plus. The use is mild, like video edition of short FHD videos, usually less than 3 mins, plus web browsing, text and spreadsheet editing, some photo editing, and I must say under the same demands the Mac does better than the i7 every time. Under more intensive use, on RAM I'd recommend going at least double of what I have.
I actually was about to buy a 16Gb M2 Air. Fortunately they didn't have that spec so they offered me to put a little bit more money and get 24GB 512GB SSD version which i'm absolutely happy with. this thing can run vscode and ios simulator and android emulator at the same time without using swap and best part is it doesn't even make a sound. It's literally a powerhouse for programmers. oh and btw don't worry about the fan, it's doesn't even get warm let alone getting hot
I think that the 8 GB macbook pro is good for people that only do browsing, maybe some netflix or use apps such as the office suite. anything intense is going to hit a wall in performance due to not enough ram. 16 gb should be the least that you should have for future proofing your machine and for a smoother experience. if you edit video or do anything intensive, the 8 gb version flies out the window.
Can you do the same with 16GB model?
Excellent video. I love videos that have a lot of useful information and a little bit of appropriate rambling.
don't stop the rambling..
Is 16GB enough?
For today maybe, but I highly recommend go with 32GB RAM for a production machine. It would be a much better choice.
Yup, i have a MBA 15 M2 and I thought it would be enough for my angular development environment and it kind of is ... but once I start my docker server or just anything else "heavy", its struggles definitely 16GB has to be the new minimum
I'll keep my Legion 9i with a 4090 and 64GB ... I can do anything and not worry about "do I need" or "is it enough".
64GB is enough for some tasks, but not enough for other tasks :)
For that much money, if you are not gaming, m3 pro max specced would provide you much better performance. As a senior engineer who codes at least 40 hours every week (some projects on Mac, some on linux through windows (using ELD) because of NDAs and different company policies) I wish windows could do the stuff mac intuitively does. I mean I still use windows desktop with 4080 super for gaming, multimedia and basically everything else but when it comes to coding/developing, it’s a no brainer
@@mii7sWhat about me a non experienced coder learning and wanting to use python or Java and/or swiftui and Xcode for only 2-3hrs a day on my m2 8gb MacBook Air? (With not much running in the background) Is it ok? Thanks
@@blank.9301I have never used the macbook air so no first hand experience but this channel has some videos on it if I remember correctly.
I think 8gb will be fine as long as you are not working on large projects. I work with log files which are often 1-10 million lines each. Vscode cant handles this files even with 32gb unified memory. So I can’t imagine how it would be with 8gb. I use terminal based editor (neovim) for large projects.
@@blank.9301 I replied to your comment in details but looks like youtube removed the comment. I don’t know why. They can’t remove straight up scams but can very much create inconvenience for people.
Anyway, my point in that comment was that I never used macbook air for coding so I have no first hand experience but from what I have seen online, you will be fine as long as its not a huge project you are working on, or huge files.
For example, I have projects where I need to go through log files that are 1-10 million lines each. VSCode can’t run those projects even with 32gb memory so idk what would happen with 8gb. For any project with logfiles, I work from the terminal (neovim)
Linux guy here besides the 8GB ram I agree there's a benefit of having a machine that you can just use. My notebook at work is just like that, I update once a while but it requires zero maintenance. My desktop is not that much different but I spend a few days a year to maintain or upgrade it, not everyone wants to do that.
I loved the video! Thank you. Learned a ton! xo
Glad it was helpful!
I am the demographic for the macbook air 8gb lol. i just need it for every day use/ light gaming... (very light) its perfect for me, and i know it will last YEARS!
If you are writer (fiction or non-fiction), use your computer for business and maybe light coding in a terminal, or on a remote machine than you will be fine with 8GB. 8GB for serious development is not enough. Thanks for excellent videos!
It's a win win for Apple. Either you cough up a small fortune for extra RAM and storage today, or you'll be buying a new laptop in 18 months.
yes that’s right
$200 for an extra 8GB of RAM isn't a small fortune. Overpriced, yes. Fortune... far from it.
@@akin242002 For plenty of people, spending an extra 10%-15% on a product is a small fortune. Obviously not for you, and that's great. You are Apples target market - more money than sense.
@@AZisk what do you think the cost is to Apple? Less than $10?
@@RRR4847-o9g You are not, because if you want 16GB/512GB then it is clearly listed in the Apple Store as £1500. You are not being charged £200 more for RAM and £200 more for storage, it just appears so. The equilibrium config is 16GB/512GB and upgrades and downgrades spin-off from that. So the expectation that if Apple had a base 16GB/512GB at the current 8GB/256GB price is baseless and absolute nonsense. All you will do is kill off the cheaper models and if you propose that, then you are selfish. Just look at all premium ultrabooks in Windows-land 512/16GB are around £1500-1600 (XPS 14, Surface Pro, Surface Laptop, Galaxy Book4 Pro, LG Gram, etc). So come back and talk sense when Windows OEMs sell premium ultrabooks at $1100 for 16GB/512GB (only mid-range).
In my opinion, if you're okay with 8GB RAM, you also don't need the Pro models. Like let's be fair. You're not doing anything performance heavy if you manage to get by with 8GB of RAM. So yeah, I would say that if you're getting the Pro, get 16 GB or more, and if you don't want to make that step, settle for the 8GB airs.
Videos like this are great but they will never be enough for the people who do not care about facts and reasonableness when it comes to Apple. They are the same ones who are in every comment section typing about Isheep and how they can buy a better windows laptop for half the price. When you ask them which laptop they are talking about, they disappear. Like zombies, they show up in another video saying the same thing. The fact is you can’t find one JUST AS good for half the price. If the main features of a laptop are display, camera, battery, keyboard, speakers, trackpad, chip and build quality. They know all these things, but they won’t shut up, ever. I would love to see a video one day about the type of person who worries excessively about how others value products differently or spend their money.
Haha hitting the spot for lot of them out there lol.
But yeah, you are right.
I always found 8 GB A foot in the door option. My mom has iphone and apple watch, so the $999, 8GB Macbook Air was perfect. No content creation or coding, just media consumption and maybe light photo editing. Anything with Pro in the name should start at 16 gigs and go up from there
Most people are unsure of the purpose of a laptop and can survive with just a mobile phone.
With 8 GB you are essentially using swap as a memory. You will struggle, and you are also be wearing out your SSD. Interestingly, I set up an Arch Linux system with DWM and it was running under a half a gig.
with ANY amount of RAM, you are going to be using swap if what you’re doing requires more than that amount of RAM. Yes?
Well, you wouldn’t get in a Honda Jazz to do Nascar 😂
no, you wouldn’t. But, I’ll take that Honda Jazz to the grocery store all week long
Very true. Nice test of its abilities though, Alex 👍
When I used a M1 MacBook Pro with 8GB memory as a daily driver, I ran the fan to 7500. sure it was loud but not fighter jet loud. I wouldn't run parallels on an 8gb machine. if you're going to do web development, sure you can run it as a developer. even a intermediate developer. a beginner developer can run stuff on 8gb Macbook pro. you can run docker or brew a mysql server. Get paid. make some money. Upgrade. That's basically what you want to do if you only have money enough for 8gb MacBook Pro. It's not a bad machine. 4 years on I still have my M1 MacBook. I've upgraded to the m3 pro. I still have a use for my m1.I don't see doing ml work as a beginner. if you can afford m3 pro MacBook Pro, great. get that.
In conclusion, buy a framework laptop
What is that?
Framwork is 🗑️
@@quebuena111something that desperately wants to look like a MacBook.
do you have a framework?
what apple did 4 years ago with the 8G M1 is simply amazing, for a lot of ppl out there it is still "sufficient", but I won't bet my money on an 8G M3(and PRO) hopping it will last for another 4 years. when M4 (or M5) comes out with 16G base, the M3( and PRO) 8G won't hold the value as good as the M2/1 had.
Went for the 24GB 15" to replace a loud 16" M3 Max and I'm happy so far. I have similar workflows to you but drivinga Pro Display XDR with it. I noticed slight stutter a couple of times when typing in Spotlight and closing a tab but the load was low so I've no clue what that was. Using the Hot utility to easily see if I'm thermal throttling. No issues so far, using Android Studio next week though so 🤞
I'm only missing the display quality a little but prefer the how light the 15" Air feels compared to the 14" even though they're similar in weight. 120hz OLED MBA 15" would be my perfect laptop I think.
My experience, it's definitely not enough. The moment I start using docker, firefox browser, visual code (worse if jetbrain rider) , performance start crawling on my 8gb M1 macmini. Memory utilization already peaking red lines. In my opinion 32 GB is the minimum for developers. I have the 2020 MacBook pro 16" with 32GB from work and it's still power horse for all of my development workflow.
Based on this video, my developer experience with my M2 Air with 16 GB RAM seems to be better than your M3 with 8 GB. 16 GB has been great for me as an Android Developer with 2 or 3 IDEs open and 2 separate instances of Chrome with 20 or 30 tabs open on each.
I just built a 1.5 liter mini home server, and bought a single 32 GB DDR5 module for it (to allow expanding it to 64 GB later if needed). It cost maybe 90 euros... I find it ridiculous that Apple consumers defend a company that price gouges them into oblivion, in a day and age when things like +8GB of RAM almost costs pennies.
Fantastic video. I learned a lot and glad i just ordered a new MacBook Pro with 18gbs ram. All the best! thank you.
The thing is that this is not about if 8GB is enough for something or not...
It's about how expensive that air or pro configuration is with 8GB of Ram. And, how much cost Ram update on 16GB and more...
a brand can make something as expensive as they want. if someone wants something, but they can’t afford it, they shop elsewhere. It’s always been this way.
@AZisk no they can't lmao criticism is important ? Every company will start doing it, and technological advancement will slow down
Awesome moving timelapses!
Tha main thing is. Most apple users saying. 8GB is for entry users, its for web, webbrowsing etc. Im saying well than go for chromebook.
In the rest, yes you are 100% the price is done by users. If users still not complain enough nothing will change.
The type of development matters a lot. I never use VM, Docker, ML or K8S. That said, I choose my own stack but I understand not all developers can choose freely.
If you're a developer, videographer, or anyone with more than pedestrian needs, I wouldn't pick up anything with less than 16gb. 32gb should be standard for the above users and if your livelihood depends on it then its a no-brainer to invest on the tools. Buy nice or buy twice.
Note that Apple has been charging insane prices for RAM upgrades way before the Apple silicon era. The "it's a SOC!" argument doesn't hold water. Back in the Intel days, it used to the case that you could simply buy *exactly the same* memory module Apple was sellling you for 1/4 the price or less.
I use my base M1 Air for web,office,tuner studio/megalogviewer setting up my track car and media consumption...8/256 is just fine for my use.You should choose your machine based on usage.
Uninstalling on MacOS is probably the only thing I hate about that OS. Generally it is easy with a drop of an app to the trash or a uninstall app, but there are so many times where you gotta dig to get rid of all the files.
I'm using Macbook Air M1 with minimum 8 GB... as a remote development machine with VSCode and terminal, so I don't have any struggles about low amount of RAM at all ))
Yeah 4 years later i bought m1 with 8gb and i regert it now
Thanks for this. I was thinking about getting a MacBook Air but worried getting spoiled with Thinkpad with 32GB at work would not make me tolerate the MacBook Air with basic foundation.
The main reason I got a MacBook was because you can’t launch iOS apps without one. Also the build quality is better than most cheaper or even around the same price windows laptops.
Immense battery life for the pro? My M1 lasts around 6 hours.
MBA lasts way more and much lighter.
I just wish Apple would put a decent screen on it so I can replace my Pro with MBA.
I've used my 8gb M2 air 13 as an intro to the apple silicon for just over a year for a good amount of my development time.
I've found it handles most work just fine, some architecture compile hoops to jump through but as far as hardware performance issues it generally runs fine.
The only times i've had issues and noticed some slow down is when i've had docker instances open, or running several servers locally or running ios simulator.
No major issues just some slow down that i could really live with if i needed to but i've now ordered a 16gb M3 air 13.
almost all of my work is node, js, ts, python with vscode (5 or so extensions).
I was extremly surprised. any 8gb linux or windows laptop would have choked to unusable levels easily. I do use my windows zephyrus 7945hx 32gb machine for c++ and game development though, the macs just not worth the hoops to get macos usable for me here. I dont see any change here with the m3 16gb either, i still plan to use the zephyrus where the muscle is needed, with its awe inspiring 45 minutes to 1 hour battery, the mac's slaughter here with an easy 8 hours under actual use and in excess of 12 hours on lighter loads.
@@thatgamingbrit rom 256 enough or 512