Healthcare Is BROKEN! China VS Canada!
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For those who think I am exaggerating the dilemma in the Canadian healthcare system, here are the results of a study done between 2022-2023 in Canada. thehub.ca/2023/12/20/number-of-canadians-who-died-while-waiting-for-medical-procedures-reaches-five-year-high/ 2024 will be even worse. I am not basing my opinion on just my own personal experiences, but actual facts.... Unfortunately for my friends and family still in Canada...
It is difficult for Chinese to understand the Canadian (or British) medical system.
If people in China feel sick and go to the hospital, they usually register the same day and see a doctor.
If the number of the day is over, you can make an appointment for the next day (which rarely happens).
Or, you can choose another hospital. There are many hospitals to choose from.
Waiting for a few months to see a doctor like Canada does not exist in China.
I heard that some Chinese who had obtained Canadian citizenship and participated in Canadian medical insurance,if encountered a serious illness, would fly back to China for treatment.
Because if kept waiting, the condition may get worse.
Agreed! I found out last year when I returned I need a full health check during my 3pm visa appointment. No problem, she told us to just go to the hospital and it we be done today, results next day. Was in and out in less than an hour!
I have heard about this from other people as well, not just Chinese people. Literally chear and safer to fly to another country for immediate help! That is sad and scary!
@@sirant Man, you will make a lot of Canadian man wanting to go to China and find a wife. LOL
Best thing I ever did all those years ago!!
It could have happened in the West, except we, especially Americans, made health care a for-profit enterprise. When we privatize health care, or food, or education, or transportation, or communication, or housing, or clean water, or clean air, and not a basic human right or the most fundamentals of obligation of a government which we willingly give our tax money, power to enforce, and even our lives to, then that said government has failed us. This is what Western democracy has brought us.
Not many people want to admit it, but that is capitalism at its finest
Well said! Democracy and Capitalism have turned even the most vital human necessities into a for profit model. To the detriment of its own people.
you guys forget you voted for it ,you guys unalive those "Dictator" that provides Free Healthcare, Free Education, Free Housing for their people in the name of "Democracy"
And privatizing prisons led to nearly 1 million prisoners, the more the better😢
@@eulescholz8530 Amazing that even crime can become profitable in corporate America.
I'm American. If I get sick. I die.
Especially like cancer....
😂
No, you could sell your condo, get some treatment, then live in a tent in a local park. Being a zombie seems to be better than dead, isn't it?
Only if you are not adequately insured.
Not if you still have assets and insurance
In China, doctor-patient conflicts often occur when patients wait too long for medical treatment. But you will definitely be able to see a doctor that day. For some Chinese, they don’t want to wait even a minute. It would be unimaginable in China if China had to wait in line for weeks or even 1-2 months like foreign countries.
Sometimes, I really feel that Chinese people are spoiled by our government.They also think China is not good.
yes, that's so true. they only discovered it when they travel abroad..
My thought exactly!!! I think many Chinese are spoiled man babies--I've seen quite some videoes uploaded by average Chinese whining about how long they have to wait at a hospital. Come on, doctors should be the ones to complain. They are underpaid--considering the long working hours and stress--and burnt out.
I've been accompanying a relative to an emergency room lately in a first-tier city. Too many patients and the emergency room is too small. I think the government should invest more in the health system by paying doctors well and improving facilities.
这就是生在福中不知福的，如果他们出去世界各地看看，走走停停，就知道中国好啦，
@@jinlingliang438534th ranked healthcare system is pretty good. Not great, especially cancer rate survival and medical innovation,
If you ever thought Canada's healthcare was literally free should not be allowed to vote.
I actually like this design of the hospital, looks and feels almost like a mall. It's big and can handle a lot of people in a day. Here in the US, there's like 4 people in the waiting room and I'm waiting for hours to see the doctor. Also, American hospitals always give me an uneasy feeling for some reason, whenever I go into one. And, it's cool that you get medicine directly at the hospital. I have to drive in a car and go to the pharmacy store to get it.
Yes, I like that too! So simplified! The doctor send the prescription directly to the pharmacists who have it waiting when you arrive. Technology at work!
In Canada and the US, the doctors are self-serving working to union rules and to government rules. In China the dictum is “Serve the People!” It’s People First, not America or Canada First.
Its capitalist system of profit maximizing for self vs socialist system that is people centred. We experience deficiency in the West and efficiency in the East.
Best healthcare systems are western , on all rankings, plus Singapore, Taiwan ….China way off obviously
100% disagree, but glad it works for ya!
Thank you for sharing your personal healthcare experience. Wow, as someone growing up in the 1980s in Asia and fed with the constant belief about the 'superiority' of the Western countries and their systems, your story is a serious reality check.
Honestly, where did all the thousands of tax dollars (per person) which are supposedly meant to support the Canadian healthcare system go every year?
This mystery (along with your healthcare experiences in both countries) is even more intriguing when one considers the huge difference in population size between Canada and China.
I can tell you exactly where the tax dollars go. To tax cuts and incentives to large oil companies and corporations. Then you increase the taxes on the middle class to pay for the failing infrastructure while politicians are hiding millions from lobby groups in secret offshore bank accounts....
@@sirant One thing I'm sure is hospitals in Toronto are small and VERY OUTDATED the ones I've visited, Scarborough, 3 main hospitals, looked like they were still in the 80's, from the appointment with my family doctor to surgery was about 4 months, at least didn't have to wait for a year long.
Another example, Toronto Scarborough is expanding the subway 7.9 KM, and it's gonna take 8 BLOODY years to finish if everything goes SMOOTHLY, do you think it'll go smoothly? hahha, if it finishes within 10 years, it's gonna be a bloody miracle. In comparison, within 10 years, China built over 20k KM of HSR, thats HSR rail alone!. Same stuff is happening in the USA, so yea, when it comes to bad stuffs, we follow big brother!
The corruption in Canada is the same or worse than USA. I don't know why, but Canada always copy or follow the worse of USA.
@@_seola_ have always said, Canada is the 51st state of America...
@@sirant can't argue with you on this! It makes Canada 51 st since it's the closest, bc there r other countries lining up such us Australia, maybe Germany and UK as well!
@@_seola_ I am german, living in Brazil doing business with China. Yes, germany is certainly in the grasp of USA. Even the pipelines exploded by US marines were not adressed by politicians and media! And the once good healthcare system is actually like Sirant described it for Canada!
It's the same in Australia! We have "free" healthcare through Medicare. But now all the gp clinics charge patients about $35-100AUD out of pocket per visit. And if you need surgery, the waiting list is about 2+ years for any "non-emergencies". My dad was diagnosed with prostate cancer 2 years ago and was told by the public hospital it'll be a 6month plus wait to be seen by a doctor. So we went private and paid $20k AUD to see the private doctor and have his prostate removed. Yes, healthcare is "free" if you're willing to wait months/years for surgery
Yep. It is sad really...
don't forget that you have paid 2% (depending on your income) medical levy on your income tax
@@roddiechan yes that's true, it's taken out of our tax as well
It’s only free if you are about to die, or you’ll have to wait.
If you have waited long enough, or finally about to die, then you’ll get to see the free doctor.
@@ericshang7744 Sadly, that is simply not true. Being close to death does NOT get you faster access to a doctor. Over 17,000 people died in Canada between 2022 and 2023 due to curable issues or injuries waiting for medical care. thehub.ca/2023/12/20/number-of-canadians-who-died-while-waiting-for-medical-procedures-reaches-five-year-high/
Nice summary. my son, is in Shenzhen currently. i am thinking about retiring in china. there use to be that slight advantage of 'health care' in canada. but the wait and general inefficiency has made it terrible. China's healthcare system is efficient, clean, organized and affordable (from other videos that i have seen, like yours)!! congrats on living is a very competent country.
shushiiiii.... the word of competent is national security issue heavily sanctioned in magaland
You are truly lucky if your son welcomes you to live in China.
Thanks! I am so thankful I have the opportunity to live here!
I don’t think China allows for foreigner to retire in China. You must have their 5 stars residence card to do so and it will require you work in China for 10 years before getting that visa.
34th ranked healthcare system,
I went to a walk in in China. They treated it right away, for a fever. My wife paid for it with her social card. I had my teeth cleaned. same, wife paid with her card.
Awesome to have a Chinese wife!! 😉
That social card pays for the cost upfront but the you also get the reimbursement back to the card once the charges are verified to be medical services.
Omg! Didn't know the Canadian healthcare is such a disaster! How many must have died just waiting for an appointment to see a doctor in the first place! You're fortunate to be in China!
Last year 1200 emergency rooms CLOSED in Ontario, not Canada, just ONE province in Canada alone! Terrible!!
Don't even get me started.... lol. Living in the USA: if you are pregnant and your pregnancy jeopardizes your life, some states will let you die! Doctors can lose their license if they treat you. All abortions are illegal no matter what or you die while the lawsuit is being implemented in some states as just recently implemented. .So you have to find a state to see you and help you. Or if you have a skin issue like psoriasis, you can pay almost $300 each injection even with insurance + your copay and deductible, because the injection from the pharmacy cost $21,000. Yes, each injection is $21,000!. Or if you have an abscess tooth, no hospital will treat you, no new dentists are taking new patients, or the one you usually go to has a 1 month wait. Talking about pain and possible sepsis. Or a new dentist might require $140.00 for a reservation for an appointment so that if you skip out or cancel, it is their money. Just to get an appointment you pay upfront the basic cost just to be seen. Then comes the $4500 root canal. Thanks for implementing this vent but even Canada doesn't sound so bad if you live in the US. The insurance companies control our -USA healthcare and decide if you need the medicine, which medicine you will take, and which doctor you will see. And your problem as to trying to get an appointment. I need a colonoscopy and my doctor is booked out for 8 months. Otherwise you pay out of the ying yang (no pun intended). to go beyond the insurance company. Sorry for my rant!
Hey, no problem! Thank you for sharing your experience! I honestly had to control myself or this video could have EASILY turned into a 1-2 hour movie of me ranting!! I have had nothing but terrible experiences in the Canadian healthcare system! And my family! My sister was in a terrible car accident, was brought to Emergency and spent 18 hours, not minutes, HOURS, bleeding on the waiting room floor while she waited for help! Luckily she made it through the ordeal, but many these days do not! Good thing all those OIL companies are getting tax breaks instead of hiring new doctors though...... Grrrrrr
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So sorry to hear this. This is crazy. No civil society should denying women the right to abortion when their lives.
Your last sentence was very apt - you are in a place that "values healthcare".
Thankfully!
Not only the health care, but also technology. Technology is used to make life easier in China, even for the children and senior people. Well in western countries, technology is to make things more dashy yet complicated.
A topic for an upcoming video!!😎😎😎😎
Western leaders and elites are only good at crowing about how western systems are the best compared to other countries. They don't have the competency to solve problems or innovate new ideas to improve things and quality of life.. infrastructure we have was built after the 2nd war or a decade or so. Social systems are falling apart and they are like festering wounds in any major cities in the west especially in US. Housing and health services have become unaffordable even with health insurance. Even education especially the first 12 years is falling apart. In the meantime watch the priorities of our western leaders. They always revolve around military spending, war and curving out tax breaks and other benefits of big corporations. Most people in US still believe that US is exceptional and "communist" China is a hell of a place.
Yes. Profit over people is the western model. And it is failing massively, even though the people refuse to see it.
let them think that way, matters not one bit to "communist" China
@@sirantall best healthcare systems globally are western. Plus they have the best medical innovation by a mile . Are you just a biased bullshiter?
Most of their money went to solving covid from that lab. You cheeky……
No, I do NOT mean the US with the FACTS I am sharing. And rude comments are NOT ok with me, so buh bye!
I am also considering heading to China for treating lower back pain and issues (possible herniated discs), due to work injury that prevents me from working for two years. There are private MRI clinics here in BC but I still require a family doctor's requisition. I am lucky to have a family doctor who only sees you for at most two simple issues per visit.
There are millions of people now, and the number is growing daily, without access to a family doctor. Waiting for "Medi-Clinics" often takes hours or days to get in, even with an appointment. It is truly sad...
The one issue per visit rule that some doctors use (which by the way if you complained to the College of Physicians would be struck down - but then your doctor won't see you anymore) is purely due to the way a doctor is paid. The government pays about $35 per visit (but the doctor only gets about $15 after all expenses and tax are accounted for). So the doctor thinks for $15 how much work should they do? That's how they end up with this one problem per visit. If the government paid the doctor a salary or per hour, then the doctor will spend as much time with you as needed. The Canadian system needs to change.
So true!
It's not only the cleanness of the hospital, but it is the cost that makes a huge difference. The average cost of ICU stay in China is around 5000RMB (about $700) per day. Comparing that with $10000 in a US hospital.
Yes... Ahhh America, one of the only countries in the world where being sick can bankrupt your family and cause you to lose your home...
5000RMB is a monthly salary of a Chinese, not cheap infact. it's not necessary to covert to USD
@@what-ws6tw 中国基本每个人都有医保的，农民买医保380元一年，很多村就免费帮村民买医保，例如我。
@@JKENLAO-pi7to 你们村挺好的
@@what-ws6tw 我们这里几乎每条村都有产业、土地出租、工业园或土地拍卖，每年都会有分红。
Problem with Canada's healthcare system is that it is managed by each individual province. COVID was a perfect example of how incompetent, incoherent and ineffective this sort of system was and is !
Well said!
At least you are not in the UK, 30k people infected with HIV/Hepatitis, because of "free insurance".
Come to the US where you could lose your house, file bankruptcy and still die! And don't even think about getting pregnant if you have any life threatening issues. You will die anyway because just passed is a new abortion law "illegal" even if it jeopardizes the woman's life. (Meanwhile the baby dies too). Or the female has to find a state that has a different law.
Sigh. Before they put "checks" in place, 30,000 people were infected with Hepatitis and an additional 2000 with HIV through blood transfusions in Canada. To this day it keeps happening over and over again due to shoddy sanitation and poor disinfection in Canadian hospitals. It is, of course, rarely mentioned in the mainstream news. Apparently stupidity is the most contagious disease....
Terrible!
Nonetheless, it is always hard to satisfy everyone... There have always been complaints about China's healthcare system. A Taiwanese once ranted on Weibo about certain mainlanders who are unhappy with the healthcare and social security system: you socialist giant babies! In a way, many Chinese people are indeed spoiled babies by the government, but on another level, this may be the reason why the government has always been leading the Chinese people to progress, and the government is also working hard with the goal of "continuously meeting the people's growing needs for a better life".
Like the old saying says: "You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time."
Taiwan's tax-payers funded health insurance is unsustainable like Obamacare where the money is funnelled to GPs and pharma corporations for private profits.
This is a touchy subject that hits home.
Broken is an understatement.
Our universal healthcare is abysmal and it is not "free" as perceived by foreigners. Due to the over burdened system, patients can expect exorbitantly long waits to seek emergency medical attention let alone see a specialist. Many skilled physicians have exited Canada due to the lack of financial incentives epecially with the recent amendments to the capital gains tax. -thanks Trudy! 👍
In most cases, minor outpatient procedures can be safely accommodated. Better hope it is not a life threatening illness. People have died while waiting for medical attention in the ER. No joke!
Everything is crumbling in the west including the education, medical establishments and social fabric that allowed this country to prosper.
Stay away from Canada and preserve your health and longevity.
All true, sadly. As I was preparing to leave Canada and was selling all my possessions, I had many people ask me where I was going. Instead of the expected response of "Why the hell would you go to China?!?!?" most people sighed and wished me well, knowing full well I was going to a better environment.
Good luck finding a family practitioner/clinic that is accepting new patients in Ontario. Massive shortage yet they won't accept the surplus of qualified foreign trained doctors waiting in queue.🤔
Also, a portion of our income tax deductions and anywhere tax is levied are allocated to universal healthcare.
Amoxicillin can be purchased without prescription in China at a fraction of the cost. I would have to swipe provincial health card and wait to see doctor to obtain a prescription.
Big pharma and greedy corporations profiteering at the expense of public health and welfare. In other words, they capitalize gains and socialize losses.
@@hz240 Yep. I left Canada after living for years in Ontario. So glad I left!
From Malaysia. My mom had a benign tumor 2 years ago. Went to public hospital for MRI scan, medicine, consultation, surgery and 2 weeks hospital stay. Cost USD 110. Waiting list is about 2 months for non emergency. Malaysia income tax is about 10% for most people.
Wow! That is amazing! I had been waiting 5 years for my surgery in Canada!
The cost is only for the hospital bed. Everything else is free, consultation, procedures, medication etc. No insurance needed.
@@sirant 等5 年？ 人都死了
@@what-ws6tw ， He said, it's hernia.
"Trudeau's promised made-in-Canada vaccine plant hasn't produced any shots. Four years after the plant was first pitched, not a single vial of vaccine has rolled off the line....." CBC, 24th May 2024.
Not surprising in the slightest. Might as well have promised a gold rolls royce for every Canadian...
You said exactly how it is in Canada and China.
Yep. It's the truth.
My friend's brother in Canada had a medical issue and could not get treatment and died. Even here in South Africa our health care system although not perfect is functional.
In Australia we have to book a specialist through a GP clinic which can take months. The prescriptions must be bought at a private pharmacy shop.🤢
Yes, Canada too.
The Chinese government has launched a policy of centralized procurement of medical supplies. This gives buyers huge room for negotiation, thereby significantly reducing the cost of medical treatments such as coronary stent and artificial joints.
Amazing!
Forces the drug makers to negotiate directly with China to even be allowed to supply their drugs into China. And the price is ridiculously low! Bauer cut down their own medication cost between 60-93% even before negotiations started! And of course they cut further once they get into details. It’s cut throat market and the pills that sold for $2-3 in U.S. will be supplied to China for 4-6 cents a pill. It’s nuts on how much they are making off the western market.
This is how you get so low cost medications in China while facing outrageous bills in the U.S. even with health insurance.
it took too long for them to keep your record of appointment of one-year ago, this system is broken too..
In 1980, the Canadian corporate tax rate was 36%.
Today? 15%, one of the lowest in the OECD.
Corporations only contribute 25% to overall taxes collected.
Over the same period of time, the feds cut building in social housing, and reduced proportionate expenditure in defense and health.
So here we are.
Yup. I bet offshore bank accounts of politicians have grown exponentially though....
Time is money in china and even in hong kong etc, here in uk everything is like in slow motion, if i need a plumber or get someone to fix the boiler then it will take a week because its not emergency and i have not been charged more, in china or hong kong you will have someone come knocking on your door for your custom straight away.
Yup!
It’s called efficiency. China even one step further because it’s much cheaper
I live in the US but spend about half of my time in Portugal. I had a problem with my BM for a while ( which was not solved in the US medical system) so decided to take care of it in Portugal. Also did a Colonoscopy at the same time. I dont want to list here the whole process.
I just want to say that when finished, I could not believe the speed everything happed and what it cost me without insurance. I was in tears realizing how Fu$ked we are in the US "the best country in the world".
I gave all the facts to a relative of mine which is a retired doctor. His response was "unbelievable"
Im an Aussie who always thought Canada had good heath care for all, i have heard US citizens talking about the cheap medicine prices in and free hospitals etc. Is that basically black saying dark grey is a bright colour?
I have never heard the term before (I do so love Aussie vernacular!) but it sounds about right to me! America is one of the only countries on the planet where a medical emergency can bankrupt a family and they lose everything. Most still buy into the same belief the rest of the world does that it is so much better in Canada. Funny thing is, Socialism is such a "bad" thing in America, yet Socialized medicine in Canada is a good thing... In the end, they are all wrong anyway. Sucks just as much North of the border!
Can’t agree more. And what’s worst! Most family doctors (clinics) refuse to take new patients, especially Canadian expats who have been away from the country for so long.😢
Yes, it's terrible!
Thanks for the video. I have one doubt. Does the social security in China cover everything? From what I know, it does cover most of the medical costs, but not all of it. Knowing that taxes are overall lower in China than what we have in most west countries, covering most of medical services makes a good synergy with that.
No, social security does not cover everything. However, the cost of treatment and medicine here is MASSIVELY cheaper than Canada. My wife had a treatment here for her eyes which would have been literally 10 times more expensive in Canada. And she got the minor surgery the day she saw the doctor for the consultation! Not waiting months or years for the appointment!
Even without insurance, the costs is subsidised by the government with safety net.
In China their social services seems to be pay for by the state companies that’s owned by the government, that’s why their taxes are low for the citizens. Privatizing the companies is a terrible idea! Especially those big oil corporations, which in China is owned by the gov and profits goes towards the people and investment into green energy which is impossible in the west as oil oligarchs won’t let the gov invest into green energy as it eats their profit.
Outpacient cover 60%, Inpacient cover 90%. 800rmb(100 dollars) deductible.
Canada and Singapore Health Care are sucks. To get a referal letter it take 3 to 5 months to visit a doctor. Then an appointment to see a specialist doctor it takes another 3 - 5 months. To get an operation appointment it takes another 3-5 months. A total of 9-15 months waiting for an operation. If your condition is serious you arrived dead before the operation date.
ish it were so fast in Canada...
I am so surprised that Singapore actually follows the western model of healthcare system. It’s one of the worst thing to follow.
@@inkbold8511 Singapore is Pro US Extremist but under the pretext we are neutral yet we want business from China. Maybe our leader thinks CCP is stupid without brain.
@@inkbold8511jokers you lot. You mean the best systems globally . The best cancer rate survival and best life expectancies, wirh the healthiest citizens. So ignorant you lot.
It's so relaxing just to see how you go about in China for a doctor's appointment.👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
Time to retire in China.
Yep. Exactly why I did!
Awful life expectancy and terrible cancer rate survival stats. Surely cancer rate survival is important when you get older.
I haven't visited my family doctor in a decade, decided to book an appointment with my doctor, but was told I am not her patient anymore. Apparently, they can drop you from their patient list if you're not a productive patient, without even informing you.
Wow! Penalized for not being sick enough!! That's insane!!
Still the same in Ontario. No change. Plus "free" is medical consultation only. Forms are costly for doc to fill. Wait time is long-few days if u normal sick n months for other illness/specialists (about a year average). Medication still costly. Cdn$12 would just be the dispensing fee for the pharmacist, not actual medicine.😂
Yep....
I’m Singaporean and I’ve lived in the U.S. for 3 years. I was told from the start that if I don’t have health insurance coverage, no doctor will see me. Coming from Singapore, that was mind blowing. In Singapore, you can walk into any public polyclinic or hospital and you’ll be served. Same with private clinics and hospitals.
It is tougher than most people think in North America.
@@sirantmy heart breaks when I think of individuals and families that don’t have or can’t afford medical insurance in the U.S.
Yup, it's a rough life...
I worked in China 2 times for a total of 5 years. I can confirm that the healthcare system in China is very efficient, cheap and good.
My daughter had the same experience in Shanghai when she fell sick.
Yep. Amazing!
Can’t agree with you more!
Michael Moore appraised Canadian healthcare system.
He "appraised" the Canadian healthcare system, as in he determined a sales value for it? Or did you mean "Praised"? In any case, that movie (Sicko) was made in 2007. ALOT has changed and ALOT have died in Canada due to the failing healthcare system.
Sounded like you were describing the UK's NHS rather than Canada.
Six of one, half a dozen of the other....
Hospital Pharmacies in THE USA make You WAIT 40 MINUTES up to 3 HRS for ONE MEDICINE.
Keeping you waiting for a long time makes you feel how great the hospital and doctors are and how insignificant you are.
China got both, the western medical care and tradition China medical care.
Yup. Just without the massive cost and wait times!
@@sirant acupuncture work like magic for me.
Acupuncture literally solved a chronic pain problem I had for my entire life! Like Magic!
You should see the bone setting doctor in China, they reset dislocated bones without surgery.
That sounds exactly in US, don't even think of surgery, you can easily wait months and that could easily cost you ?0,000
I have been waiting 5 years for my surgery.... I gave up on Canada. It will only get worse once they do imitate the US system and force privatized medicine as the only option.
According to some survey (I forgot the source, but can be easily verified), majority of bankruptcies in united snakes is due to medical bills, ESPECIALLY if you don't have medical/health insurance, combined with credit card and household, student loan debts.
Yup!
It is also very very hard to find a family doctor in New Zealand. The waiting time to register may be 6 months in the future.
5 years and still waiting in the registry. Even though not there anymore, I thought it would be interesting to see how long it takes...
In Malaysia we need to queue to get a number (maybes 30 minutes) , once you get it then you proceed to the department where the doctor is, need to wait another 2 to 3 hours, just to see the doctor, then you need to wait another3o minutes at the pharmacy to get your medication. The waiting is just taking a toll on us. maybe total 3 to 4 hourd waiting time
Terrible. Though still not as bad as Canada...
@unbelievable. Don't complain. For consultation and medicine, the cost is only US20 cent. Senior citizens FOC. Where in the World such medical service exist.
I'm pretty sure when Canadians say free healthcare, they know that it is healthcare paid for by taxes, not that it is literally free. There is no such thing as literally free healthcare. It is all about how the country distribute healthcare access. Either they have a socialized healthcare where the healthcare is paid for by taxes and distribution is usually controlled at government level policies, or they have completely privatized access, in that you pay all of it out of your own pocket or you pay for a private insurers and hope they don't stiff you. Every healthcare system in the world is somewhere in between this two types. Many have a hybrid system of a mix of subsidized healthcare, and private insurers or even national insurances. Some even have national savings schemes for healthcare. The US is the extreme case of nearly all their healthcare is distributed by private insurances.
Well, true as that may be, in a system where people are dying in droves while waiting for medical services, including emergency services, I would still consider it a failure. Sadly.
@@sirant On that I agree. The money system is how the capital is distributed so people can have access in the first place. The execution on the healthcare itself is quite another story.
It is obvious that the Canadian system, even though it has better capital distribution than the US (which is a very low bar to clear) lags behind China in efficiency for giving healthcare to the people.
In Malaysia, the patient will be able to see the doctor and also take the necessary medication within the time frame of 2 hours!!
i agree with you mostly. such as long wait to see a specialist ( took me one year also and thank goodness it was not cancer or something serious ), sometimes 4 hours to see a doctor at walk-in clinic. however, if a person needs major surgery or very serious illness, i think the canadian system is better because a person could be seen asap if it is life-threatening or extremely serious. there are no fees charged other than the tax we pay monthly. from what i watch in chinese tv programs, major surgery or very serious illness are not fully covered by healthcare, a person still has to pay upfront, it could be anywhere from 10000+to more than 100,00 RMB. love from canada.
Sadly, this is NOT the case in Canada. My sister had a terrible car crash. She was left waiting in the Emergency room, a pool of blood around her feet, bleeding from the face, neck and head for 18 hours before she was able to see a doctor and get treatment. People are dying everyday in Canada, needing Emergency surgery, but beds, surgeons and services are simply NOT available. There have been 1200 Emergency room closures, due to lack of funding and staff in Ontario alone in 2024. 1200 communities with NO access to emergency services. I would rather pay the 100,000rmb to get immediate access than have my loved one die in front of me in a hospital waiting room due to a car accident.... This is a sad reality in Canada. In 2022-2023, 17,032 people in Canada died while waiting for live saving medical procedures. This does not even include those who perished on emergency room floors. I am not making this up. thehub.ca/2023/12/20/number-of-canadians-who-died-while-waiting-for-medical-procedures-reaches-five-year-high/ 2024 is going to be even worse.
@@sirant i guess we are luckier in alberta. my brother-in-law was a doctor up north.
he said one of his patients cut himself seriously and he was on the plane to edmonton to get proper treatment the next day. he arranged this for the patient. however, i do agree with you that canada's medical system is getting worse. love from canada.
@@iamcanadianedmonton I am from Edmonton. That's where a deer went through the windshield of my sister's car and she spent 18 hours at the Royal Alex in the Emergency waiting room. There was literally a pool of her own blood under her seat before she was able to get into a room to see a doctor. I suppose having a doctor make arrangements for you would help, but for most people, especially in Emergency situations, you just have to pray for the best.
While it’s true that you do pay upfront for the cost of service in China, however if you are a Chinese citizen you will get reimbursement of 70-90% for the cost of the services using the same medical card that you used to pay for the service.
Wow, you actually show the actual hospital. Edit: didnt see that middle finger coming LOL!!!
I was controlling myself. If I said what I really wanted to about the Canadian sham healthcare system, well, RUclips might not have allowed the video! 😁
As a tax account you should state the cost difference between state care and private care. Perhaps Canada needs to rewards doctors more within the social system.
The same situation is very different in the States. The private system is 20k+ and if you get sick your rates go up. As you might know the US insured the poor by letting the private insurers place themselves between the patient and the government setting themselves up as a retailor. Sky's the limit
Oh I am not an accountant, but you are right, the government needs to incentivize the doctors it has now. It has capped the earning potential for a long time and doctors just don't care anymore. They work to the minimum level possible, then go to play golf. (I have literally been told this by doctors) Canadian politicians are trying to force the country into a private healthcare system, like the one failing in America. Because they are being paid by the corporate health lobbies to do so.
I'm unable to find a family doctor/general practitioner in Toronto. No one is taking new patients.
I tried for 5 years in London, ON. Also no luck.
中国完全可以发展面对全球的医疗产业。
Sir! Your video influences the next Canadian election, and the ones thereafter!!
Sadly, elections wont fix this problem. All politicians in canada are motivated by money, nothing more. A MASSIVE government overhaul is the only thing that will solve this crisis. And as long as the corporations own the leaders, this will never happen. A very wise old friend of mine in the past told me nothing would change in canada without bloody revolution. I fear he may have been right.
@@sirant Sir, you might have influenced the Canadian election. And since you're residing in China right now, it's classified as "China threat" 🤣🤣
@@alfreedng Fine by me!! If I can help one person to see the truth I consider that a job well done!
@@sirant Sir, may be you have been living out of Canada for too long. There is currently a public inquiry in Parliament Hill into foreign interference in the last Canadian general election.
@@laughingkor8643 Haha!! I sincerely doubt my little RUclips channel would ever be considered "Election Interference". 😎😎I wish my videos were so influential! Hardly a threat to Canadian sham democracy. People also accuse me of being a paid China Shill!! Thinking the government here is paying me to make my videos.
Sorry to hear your bad experience with the medical system in Canada.
Ahh well, I took steps to protect my health. I sincerely wish more of my canadian friends and family could do the same....
i got ct in china in 2 days with $30, i now have headache for weeks no way for a mri in canada here
Sorry to hear it! I hope you get help soon!
@@sirant thank you😃
At this rate I will identify as a pet and visit vet for treatment, if it ever comes to that in North America
Awesome!!! Great Idea!!😁😁
Honestly most big cities are doing fine, but not in small town where they always want to transfer to urban hospitals for better treatment but more expensive.
The average wait to see a doctor in an emergency room across the country is 22 hours. I have known many people, including family members, in big cities who experienced this, or worse. Sadly it is not doing fine in the slightest. Canada needs to do better.
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The wife? The table, the chair, the dustbin???
*Update* Ahhhh, I see, you are offended because I used a VERY common phrase from Canada in regards to my wife. It is NOT in anyway derogatory, it is a term of affection and a friendly term when speaking of significant others, as is "the" husband/hubby/old man etc. Chill. Relax. Enjoy life!
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The Canadian Medicare system is not perfect. But it’s still better than most other countries. My wife had a cancer operation not long ago and the waiting list wasn’t bad at all. Her after surgery care was top notch and thank god her cancer is dormant. Sorry to hear about your mishap, but I do agree that our system needs an upgrade.
Glad to hear your wife was able to get speedy care and is doing better! It certainly is not the norm anymore. I think it is also very dependant on what province you are in.
Yes, and better than the Chinese on the latest rankings, obviously. All cherrypicking agsin when discussing China and overall quality……
It seems you're not comparing apple to apple as Canada' s case was for referral, while China's case, you did not make it clear you're seeing 2 specialists & you get it done in 1 visit.
Your comment makes no sense. Canadian doctors will deal with 1 issue per visit. Period. Whether asking for a piece of paper or suffering a major illness. If you have bronchitis and a broken toe, you would literally need to decide which one was more inconvenient for you and deal with the second at a MUCH later date. I asked for 5 minutes of the Canadian doctors time, which he was unwilling to give. I did not see any specialists in China. I went to the doctor and he addressed everything I asked.
Doctors only work 8 hours max a day in the west and work is superficial. They dont really treat patients. Asia is a whole different ballgame.
The last doctor who was HONEST with me told me he "works to rule". He takes the maximum number he has to each day and forces patients through as quickly as possible, to work 3-4 hours maximum, then goes golfing. He literally told me that and I have experienced it myself.
Most doctors in China only work eight hours.
The only difference is that there are a large number of doctors in China. If a doctor resigns, many people will want to get his position.
Sweden's system is semi-broken, not broken, compared to Canada. Doctors and nurses are under-paid here in Sweden, but the hospital is good and spotless. I can see a doctor in the neighbood's clinic the same day if I make the call at 7am and explain my case to the nurse, and if the case is serious and urgent, she will ask you to head to the emergency dept at the big hospital, but there, you will have to wait for hours, they are under-staffed.
Seems Canada is not the only country that undervalues it's medical professionals.... Sad.
@@sirant something I noticed here in Sweden, people don’t give a damn about well educated professionals such as doctors, it is just like any other job. In Iraq where I come from originally, education plays a role in your social status, and doctors are the top of society, respected.
@@huss1205 As they should be, like educators. In Canada teachers are treated like garbage yet in China a I never felt so respected.
@@sirant teachers? You should come to Sweden and see how disrespectful students are and that is due to Woke. A country with no Woke culture, teachers are respected, so stay in China and enjoy it, it is a great country...
Oh I know! A good friend of mine's son (In England) was scolded in class, (at 12 years old!!!!) because his Ultra Woke, pink haired, half head shaved "teacher" brought up the "Would you rather be in the forest with a man or a bear" bullshit from tiktok... He chose a man and was berated by the teacher because he made the "wrong" choice. She is literally teaching children to fear all men! Were it my child I would have had that woke loser fired immediately!!
Have a pleasant life in China.
Thanks!
In China medical school is not that prestiges nor that hard to get in. Almost all universities have a medical school. Doctors are not in shortage like the West. In the West, somehow they have made being a doctor become so difficult and hence created an artificial shortage. Probably because the doctor supplies in the West are controlled by doctors.
Doctors in Canada make, on average, $350,000 per year in the current system. Which to me seems to be a very good salary compared to the average salary of about 50-60K. However, doctors see the privatized system in America, where doctors can make SUBSTANTIALLY more and they either leave Canada, creating doctor shortages or they work as little as possible in order to force the government to move to a private system and make more money.
In fact, in China, newly graduated doctors and nurses face fierce competition in finding jobs every year.
As far as I can remember, China has never lacked medical talents.
Why does Firstpost share part of their video with another channel.
Shalom
Not sure what you mean.
It's a group in South Africa that uses the similar name and copies your video and has their own ending on your video. Give me time and I'll send you a copy of their video.
Shalom
@@DenisDeCharmoy-fl3ht Thanks! I haven't seen any of that myself, but I would be very curious!
Hospitals are the graves of the poor.
Hope you are in good health… btw… what is a hernia?
Thank you! A hernia is an opening in the muscle layer between the stomach and the skin. Your insides start coming outside.
中国14亿人，人均寿命比加拿大少4岁。人均医疗费用是加拿大的1/20。
中国人传统对身体健康的观念是，预防胜于治疗。所以习惯一有不舒适的状态（小病）就去医院检查诊断，医生对不严重的病也不会花太多时间（确保大多数病人最快诊断，病情最轻的时候得到治疗），所以中国的门诊机制基本是病人来了就能有医生诊断。快速解决。有大病的病人就移交到大医院或者专科医院做精细的医疗。
加拿大约医生，做检查要几个月，病人要么病好了，要么变成更严重的病。这个和中国的习惯不同。
Sadly, the life expectancy in Canada is dropping every year. Inthe next 10-20 years it will be below 70 I am sure...
Healthcare is even worst in USA! Just be glad u still got “free” healthcare. 😂 But I do admire the Chinese healthcare as their gov doesn’t have this tax on their citizens for this type of care. It seems to be a subsided care with funding from government and profits from the state companies that’s own by the government. Whatever it is it’s good for their ppl and hardly any taxes on their ppl.
wwwoow..
Is this a hospital! Looks more like a mall in Nairobi.
It is indeed a hospital!
Can I get more info on the tax payer course?
Sure! It is run every year by H&R Block. It is actually a recruitment tool for finding new tax preparers every year, but you do not have to work for them afterwards. It does give an AMAZING insight into just how terrible the tax system in Canada really is. They openly admit it is designed to be as difficult as possible in an attempt to cause costly mistakes to taxpayers. Keeping in mind of course, this is the government making it purposefully difficult, not the accountants. It costs around $300 dollars (might have gone up in the past couple years) and I found it INCREDIBLY useful in understanding better how I was being taxed.
@@sirantthx, I'll look into it. Maybe do a tax comparison too! Between 2 countries...recently, some got cancelled by fam docs because they visited a walk in clinic...
@@AmelieZh Wow! Thats crazy! I guess we know what those doctors care about....
I lived in Australia for 20 years now and the longer I stay here the more disappointed at our medical system We used to be free to see GP which is good but honestly the GP are not skillful here and they almost can not fix anything except googling and give you some useless medicine which cost a lot or forward you to a very expensive specialist So I don't like to see GP here although it's free but nowadays I have to pay 45 dollar gap at a GP which put me off to see GP because what if they can not fix the problem while charging for this much money So I am very confused now about this medical system
Sorry to hear it....
@@sirantthanks Even a box of hayfever tablets now cost over 40 dollar which is ridiculous
Yeah. Allergy medicine through the roof in Canada also. I pay less than .05 cents per dose here.
@@sirant Its shockingly cheap in China Believe or not I even paid 30 dollar for one tablet one day and it's a normal type of medicine nothing special
@@hilda7698 Yes, it is an INCREDIBLY common medicine and needed by sooooo many people. They obviously are taking advantage of that.
Why dont you get insurance
You have to come to the USA to get insurance and you will see how it works, it is very difficult to understand how insurance works if you don't buy your own insurance.
Yep.
All true.
Unless you are one of the millions of middle class or poor Americans who can't afford insurance, then you are screwed either way. But you do have a point. I knew 2 couples from Canada who moved to the USA. And even though they "technically" paid a lot for private health insurance, they were paid better by their employers and paid MUCH less income tax, so the actual cost of private healthcare was negligible due to their additional income. As such they were able to experience far superior healthcare and paid less taxes.
Can you afford the private insurance? Most of the time it’s $300-$800 per person per month.
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Here the best way is to eat an apple everyday to keep the doctors away
Sound Advice!
Thanks for debunking the typical western media narrative.. and I love the middle finger 😂
Glad you liked it! Likely a better idea than sharing what I really feel.... 😉
You look more tidy 😁
Haircut!
It's all a matter of choices. China is not better, because Canadian prefers "Freedom Healthcare", clearly propaganda works all too well in Canada, so long as you label everything terrible as "freedom...." Canadians just like Americans will love it even if it is detrimental to their health.
Agreed. When French fries was renamed to freedom fries when France annoyed us.
Mmmmm... Fries!
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is it really that bad?
Worse. I toned down my real feelings due to video length and how angry I can get. But yes, it really really is.
ruclips.net/video/j3rAp0hiVlk/видео.htmlsi=eVys1PUsTFUfzb5Z
Another person's experience of the health care system in China.
As a Chinese have been living in Vancouver for 10 years, I totally understand what you said. Canada is a beautiful country but has awful healthcare system, actually it's not free and inefficient, everything you have to waiting for long time and lots people even can not find a family doctor in Vancouver area. We will move back to China because Vancouver is not a good place for living.
No, it isn't. I used to live in Vancouver in the 90's and it was great! Now it really is not anymore. And soooo many people can't find doctors all across Canada. Moving back to China probably the best!
and in USA healhtcare are like good!?only if you carry bag of money with you no matter if you have or not insurance
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