I’m a current MBB consultant and you described my current situation exactly. The frequent feedback is amazing for development but also makes you feel like you suck at the job whenever you fall short of expectations. Combine that with an insecure overachiever mentality and it’s a recipe for burnout.
Notes - you’ll be around more intelligent people than ever before - a lot will be expected of you - you’ll get a lot of negative feedback on things to improve on and what you’re below average at - can be demoralising and lower your self esteem a lot - there’ll be many myths - you can’t get high pay, exposure, skills, intelligent people outside of consultant - you’ll begin to feel average and insecure - you don’t have a strong sense of self outside of your achievements - you may then feel lost - you may then take the consulting skills as being the things you should optimise for to feel better, and work a lot - you might feel isolated because you spend so much time with colleagues - you feel stuck because you haven’t had time to look at other jobs and what you’re personally interested in - there are pros to consulting too, but these are common negatives to be aware of - realise consulting is the start of your career and will eventually be a footnote, compared to what you actually do for your career. If you zoom out of your life, it’s not a big deal to have issues working in consulting Advice for any high performing professionals 1. Working in consulting is good pay, good learnings, good network, exposure to industries - but you may not be working on things you care about, and be working a lot. That’s ok, you’re using this time to learn and become more effective at what you really want to do. So you need to research what you’d like to do next 2. Consulting isn’t forever. It can suck at times for long periods, but think about next steps and you’ll see the value 3. Think about what you’re really optimising for in life. Part of this will be career skills, but not every skill you need in consulting needs to be extremely high for you to succeed in future. You can learn things in future or hire people to do certain tasks in future. Being average in consulting is still very impressive. 4. the myths about jobs outside of consulting not having high pay, smart people, and interesting problems is not true.
The 10 odd negatives of consulting that you have indicated sound suspiciously like the ones that terror organization's may be using to brainwash it's young recruits. Just replace the "young eager to prove his mettle consultant" with a "young eager to prove his mettle recruit".....and it sounds scary af.
Hey Neel, I am Emilio from Italy. I am working in consulitng and I have been struggling for a lot of time with most of the things you mentioned in the video. Thank you. It is very important to shed a light on these personal issues and I wish there was more people like you. Keep up the good work :)
Hey Emilio! I'm sorry to hear you've been struggling with a lot of these things, and I hope things turn around soon. What are some thing that you've found that have helped?
While I do think many people that pursue consulting aren't sure of what they want to do, I think there's an important caveat there. Consulting and investment banking roles are often a gateway to many other fields in business that are much more difficult to break into out of undergrad -- fields like private equity, venture capital, corporate strategy, corporate development, and even some start-up roles. So, for some people, they know what they want to do, but they realize they need to spend a few years in consulting or banking first. Another great video!
100% agreed Garrett! And for those people, I wouldn't say that "they don't know what they want to do." As you mentioned, they very much know what they want to do and are using consulting as a way to get there. Going a level deeper, I'd also hope they have done the personal introspection to come to the conclusion that they truly want those next things (e.g., PE, VC, etc.), rather than just being influenced by the crowd around them. But thanks for the comment - agree that it is totally valid for someone to use consulting as a "gateway" perse
@@neelandrohit6490if someone wants to establish a small/avg manufacturing firm and seeks a company whocan establish a manufacturing plant for him.that company would be called a consultancy company or automation company.he also seeks company that can create a robust human resource management system such a company would be called consulting company or there exist many software solutions companies and so on in the field of finance and legal services.
Dude what have you done? You described my position perfectly. I work in Cybersecurity Consulting for 1,5 years now. I did my bachelor and was one of the most hard learners and highest achievers. When I got into full time consulting I realised how hard the shift from absorbing to expressing is. Learning and passing tests is easy. Actually understanding the great sheme of things in a company and consulting is hard af. Thinking for yourself and finding out what to learn next is much harder if there is no pathed way already. You gotta make your own individual roadmap of life. For most people I know consulting really is a great opportunity to get a glipmse of multiple industries. You get provided many exit strategies in the future :) You really gave me hope and pulled me out of my tunnel vision. Cheers
Hey Neel, This might just be the first RUclips comment I have ever made (ever), but I just wanted to say thank you for sharing your story. I am two months in and I don't think I have ever mentally struggled this much in life. I have never cried as much as I have been in such a short span of time. The move, the expectations, the myths, the feedbacks, the being away from loved ones; I can definitely relate to every second of your video. You have given me a fresh perspective on what it means to be in MBB and I now know not to define myself the way the firm defines me. You have not only given me a new lens in which to view my own life, you have definitely saved it from a point of no return. I hope you know that what you are doing matters so much more than you know, and I will be sleeping so much better than I have been for the past three months tonight.
I am an incoming consultant at MBB. A lot of these feelings that you mention are relevant to me as I begin my career. Thank you for your meaningful advice!
This video came at just the right time...my start date is in a few weeks and I've heard so much about the feedback process, imposter syndrome, and all the other things that come with working in a high-stress high-performance environment like consulting. I'll be sure to keep these tips in mind as I begin! Thanks for the advice.
Neel, your video really helped me a lot. I'm not in consulting (6 months into full-time IB) but hearing what you said about zooming out of these 2 years really helped me to put my current shitty life into a long term perspective. Also reminded me to think about whats next after these 2 years - currently thinking about VC / startups, so really keen to hear more from you!
I loooove hearing this! Congrats on your for the mindset shift, and yea, would love to chat more about it. Feel free to reach out (via LinkedIn), and best of luck with IB
Great advice. I also worked for Bain for about three years and majority of this resonates. I would never trade the experience as I learned a ton and it got me to my next gig and taught me things that helped me succeed where I am. But lots of imposter syndrome, lots of losing myself and tying my self worth to my performance, and at the very bottom - low grade depression. Insurance did cover a shrink though so that’s always nice lol.
100% agree! While it's not fun by any means to go through those things (dealing with imposter syndrome, re-defining the foundations of your self-worth, and more), it's great to be on the other side with a renewed world view!
@neelandrohit6490 Could you please advise me, I am an Engineer whose passion is in Energy Management and i believe in it , it has been my dream since I started my career is to have a company in the energy management field , last year i was acquired by a start up company working in energy management with stock options. I have great confidence in my self and the ideas we have created but i dont feel the owners have the same feeling or strength of investment and as of right now one of the big four is offering me a position in sustainability whichi have developed a passion for and it includes energy management . The pay diffrence is around 40% increase. Shall i follow the path i had planned early in my life with the risk of owners sappotaging my work but with great life work balanace, flexibility, developed experince and passion or go to a big four !
Hey Neel, I just got an offer at Mckinsey and your videos helped me a ton with preparing (especially the Mckinsey-specific ones with your friend Gottfried). I appreciate it a lot. Some of the tips here are pretty helpful in getting mentally prepared for the role too 🤠
Wow, that’s such an awesome video, thank you for your insight! I’m a 20 y.o. sophomore who’s trying to figure out what to do with my life after school:) This video basically answered ALL the questions that’s been on my mind while I was researching consulting! I’m definitely an insecure overachiever with a pretty vague idea of what I want to do long term career vise and I see consulting as a way to get exposure to different areas of business & expertise for a couple years. We’ll see how it goes, I guess:)
Been a month in a Consulting company who works with construction claims and insurance companies. Absolutely got bombarded with imposter syndrome, low confidence and insecurity of being laid off since I am an international student here in USA. Thank You this video helps to know I am not the only one who would feel this way when they are just starting!
This is likely good advice for somebody quite junior. I'm an associate partner at mck. You have to think about the business model of a firm. Most of the people we get in junior are terrible and don't really know anything. we work them to death in order to produce bullshit for the strategic goals of some Senior executive in some company to propel their career forward. The bar is actually incredibly low in terms of quality of work. Anything we actually build or produce is just garbage. The PowerPoints however, are amazing and we make up for it with that.
Thanks Neel, this video came as a recommendation at really good time .From past few weeks I am just going through the same conundrum and thinking what the heck i am doing with my life. This video really helped. Once again thank you.
Bro, may god bless you for this video. I'm now one month in IT consulting, that changed my confidence extremely. I was a person who always said "if someone else can do it me can either". But in this month i cancelled it from my mind - thats not healthy. You opened my eyes.
Hey Neel, great video, thanks for the insights! I have a question regarding the type of projects in management consulting - how many of the projects are related to high level/c suite strategy compared to lower level problems where problem/scope may be more defined, for example in operational improvements?
I’ve been in companies with major restructuring and never met an intelligent Consultant, the damage that many of these consultants have done is well documented. I have seen people from the top three destroy companies, again well documented online. Although many get graduates from top tier universities it is clear much of the advise given is generic and poor on the whole.
Likewise. I am a senior contractor (programme manager), and I have executed multiple MBB “strategies”. Some strategies are so poorly thought out it’s as if they just pluck a $ value and headcount number to reduce, with no clear rationale, business case, or consulting anyone other than ExCo. I’ve had them suggest reducing headcount by numbers greater than what is even available. Some consultants I’ve worked with are on grad schemes and advising CEO / ExCo in multi-billion $ companies. There are some good grads, but for the most part it is laughable.
Hi getting job in MBB USA is below 1%. What are the chances of getting summer internship while doing MBA & consultant job offer after MBA in all 3 MBB's USA. Do you know any one getting this type of offer in last 2-3 years.
There is always a chance, however be a well prepared one to all the stages of interview and get the book/youtube about the consulting interview. Good luck.
Dude needs therapy. Very common this sort of thinking with people from Asian backgrounds, trying to find your value from external factors (honour cultures), rather than being true to who you are (dignity cultures).
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I’m a current MBB consultant and you described my current situation exactly. The frequent feedback is amazing for development but also makes you feel like you suck at the job whenever you fall short of expectations. Combine that with an insecure overachiever mentality and it’s a recipe for burnout.
I work at one of the Big 3. Up until minute five you described my situation better than I would myself. Crazy how similar we are from one another
Oh wow, crazy to hear José! Wishing you best with the situation. How is it progressing?
hey Jose which one do u work for then ?
Notes
- you’ll be around more intelligent people than ever before
- a lot will be expected of you
- you’ll get a lot of negative feedback on things to improve on and what you’re below average at - can be demoralising and lower your self esteem a lot
- there’ll be many myths - you can’t get high pay, exposure, skills, intelligent people outside of consultant
- you’ll begin to feel average and insecure
- you don’t have a strong sense of self outside of your achievements
- you may then feel lost
- you may then take the consulting skills as being the things you should optimise for to feel better, and work a lot
- you might feel isolated because you spend so much time with colleagues
- you feel stuck because you haven’t had time to look at other jobs and what you’re personally interested in
- there are pros to consulting too, but these are common negatives to be aware of
- realise consulting is the start of your career and will eventually be a footnote, compared to what you actually do for your career. If you zoom out of your life, it’s not a big deal to have issues working in consulting
Advice for any high performing professionals
1. Working in consulting is good pay, good learnings, good network, exposure to industries - but you may not be working on things you care about, and be working a lot. That’s ok, you’re using this time to learn and become more effective at what you really want to do. So you need to research what you’d like to do next
2. Consulting isn’t forever. It can suck at times for long periods, but think about next steps and you’ll see the value
3. Think about what you’re really optimising for in life. Part of this will be career skills, but not every skill you need in consulting needs to be extremely high for you to succeed in future. You can learn things in future or hire people to do certain tasks in future. Being average in consulting is still very impressive.
4. the myths about jobs outside of consulting not having high pay, smart people, and interesting problems is not true.
The 10 odd negatives of consulting that you have indicated sound suspiciously like the ones that terror organization's may be using to brainwash it's young recruits.
Just replace the "young eager to prove his mettle consultant" with a "young eager to prove his mettle recruit".....and it sounds scary af.
Hey Neel, I am Emilio from Italy. I am working in consulitng and I have been struggling for a lot of time with most of the things you mentioned in the video. Thank you. It is very important to shed a light on these personal issues and I wish there was more people like you. Keep up the good work :)
Hey Emilio! I'm sorry to hear you've been struggling with a lot of these things, and I hope things turn around soon. What are some thing that you've found that have helped?
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While I do think many people that pursue consulting aren't sure of what they want to do, I think there's an important caveat there. Consulting and investment banking roles are often a gateway to many other fields in business that are much more difficult to break into out of undergrad -- fields like private equity, venture capital, corporate strategy, corporate development, and even some start-up roles. So, for some people, they know what they want to do, but they realize they need to spend a few years in consulting or banking first. Another great video!
100% agreed Garrett! And for those people, I wouldn't say that "they don't know what they want to do." As you mentioned, they very much know what they want to do and are using consulting as a way to get there.
Going a level deeper, I'd also hope they have done the personal introspection to come to the conclusion that they truly want those next things (e.g., PE, VC, etc.), rather than just being influenced by the crowd around them. But thanks for the comment - agree that it is totally valid for someone to use consulting as a "gateway" perse
@@neelandrohit6490if someone wants to establish a small/avg manufacturing firm and seeks a company whocan establish a manufacturing plant for him.that company would be called a consultancy company or automation company.he also seeks company that can create a robust human resource management system such a company would be called consulting company or there exist many software solutions companies and so on in the field of finance and legal services.
Dude what have you done? You described my position perfectly. I work in Cybersecurity Consulting for 1,5 years now. I did my bachelor and was one of the most hard learners and highest achievers. When I got into full time consulting I realised how hard the shift from absorbing to expressing is. Learning and passing tests is easy. Actually understanding the great sheme of things in a company and consulting is hard af. Thinking for yourself and finding out what to learn next is much harder if there is no pathed way already. You gotta make your own individual roadmap of life. For most people I know consulting really is a great opportunity to get a glipmse of multiple industries. You get provided many exit strategies in the future :)
You really gave me hope and pulled me out of my tunnel vision. Cheers
Hi!!! Could you pls tell what bachelor course you completed?
Hey Neel,
This might just be the first RUclips comment I have ever made (ever), but I just wanted to say thank you for sharing your story.
I am two months in and I don't think I have ever mentally struggled this much in life. I have never cried as much as I have been in such a short span of time. The move, the expectations, the myths, the feedbacks, the being away from loved ones; I can definitely relate to every second of your video.
You have given me a fresh perspective on what it means to be in MBB and I now know not to define myself the way the firm defines me.
You have not only given me a new lens in which to view my own life, you have definitely saved it from a point of no return.
I hope you know that what you are doing matters so much more than you know, and I will be sleeping so much better than I have been for the past three months tonight.
This is gold! You spoke my mind man! Truly helpful! Wish many people who feel stuck in initial phases of consulting watch this
I am an incoming consultant at MBB. A lot of these feelings that you mention are relevant to me as I begin my career. Thank you for your meaningful advice!
This video came at just the right time...my start date is in a few weeks and I've heard so much about the feedback process, imposter syndrome, and all the other things that come with working in a high-stress high-performance environment like consulting. I'll be sure to keep these tips in mind as I begin! Thanks for the advice.
We hope it's helpful! And best of luck as you start your consulting job - we're curious to hear how you like it
Fantastic break down, 7 year vet and can certainly relate with a lot of what you said. Thanks for sharing!
Appreciate you watching Arsalan! And also commenting
Neel, your video really helped me a lot. I'm not in consulting (6 months into full-time IB) but hearing what you said about zooming out of these 2 years really helped me to put my current shitty life into a long term perspective. Also reminded me to think about whats next after these 2 years - currently thinking about VC / startups, so really keen to hear more from you!
I loooove hearing this! Congrats on your for the mindset shift, and yea, would love to chat more about it. Feel free to reach out (via LinkedIn), and best of luck with IB
This is super interesting. I have a 1.5 yr experience at MBB now, and I have the exact same thoughts! Thank you so much for your video
Great advice. I also worked for Bain for about three years and majority of this resonates. I would never trade the experience as I learned a ton and it got me to my next gig and taught me things that helped me succeed where I am. But lots of imposter syndrome, lots of losing myself and tying my self worth to my performance, and at the very bottom - low grade depression. Insurance did cover a shrink though so that’s always nice lol.
100% agree! While it's not fun by any means to go through those things (dealing with imposter syndrome, re-defining the foundations of your self-worth, and more), it's great to be on the other side with a renewed world view!
@neelandrohit6490
Could you please advise me,
I am an Engineer whose passion is in Energy Management and i believe in it , it has been my dream since I started my career is to have a company in the energy management field , last year i was acquired by a start up company working in energy management with stock options. I have great confidence in my self and the ideas we have created but i dont feel the owners have the same feeling or strength of investment and as of right now one of the big four is offering me a position in sustainability whichi have developed a passion for and it includes energy management . The pay diffrence is around 40% increase. Shall i follow the path i had planned early in my life with the risk of owners sappotaging my work but with great life work balanace, flexibility, developed experince and passion or go to a big four !
This is excellent advice, that I apply already in my everyday! Specially the three year bits. No situation is forever, but experience is everything ;)
Hey Neel, I just got an offer at Mckinsey and your videos helped me a ton with preparing (especially the Mckinsey-specific ones with your friend Gottfried). I appreciate it a lot.
Some of the tips here are pretty helpful in getting mentally prepared for the role too 🤠
Hey @vishnu_jv i have applied at Mckinsey for Business Analyst role any tips for the interview part ?
Wow, that’s such an awesome video, thank you for your insight! I’m a 20 y.o. sophomore who’s trying to figure out what to do with my life after school:) This video basically answered ALL the questions that’s been on my mind while I was researching consulting! I’m definitely an insecure overachiever with a pretty vague idea of what I want to do long term career vise and I see consulting as a way to get exposure to different areas of business & expertise for a couple years. We’ll see how it goes, I guess:)
Been a month in a Consulting company who works with construction claims and insurance companies. Absolutely got bombarded with imposter syndrome, low confidence and insecurity of being laid off since I am an international student here in USA. Thank You this video helps to know I am not the only one who would feel this way when they are just starting!
Real and raw ❤ thank you for this video
This is likely good advice for somebody quite junior. I'm an associate partner at mck. You have to think about the business model of a firm. Most of the people we get in junior are terrible and don't really know anything. we work them to death in order to produce bullshit for the strategic goals of some Senior executive in some company to propel their career forward. The bar is actually incredibly low in terms of quality of work. Anything we actually build or produce is just garbage. The PowerPoints however, are amazing and we make up for it with that.
Thank your for this video ! I've been a consultant since 2021 and i really can relate to several points you mentionned
Thanks for sharing, I'm gonna start the consulting soon, and it was all true for me.
Thanks Neel, this video came as a recommendation at really good time .From past few weeks I am just going through the same conundrum and thinking what the heck i am doing with my life. This video really helped.
Once again thank you.
Bro, may god bless you for this video. I'm now one month in IT consulting, that changed my confidence extremely. I was a person who always said "if someone else can do it me can either". But in this month i cancelled it from my mind - thats not healthy. You opened my eyes.
The best video about consulting!
Thank you for this!
This is so true!!! Totally !
The introduction to this video regarding insecure overachiever was a slap in the face 😂
oh gosh, on the insecurity thing I was like "are you talking only to me?"
The editing is fire
Facts
Thank you Neel.
Bottomline, if you don't want to lose your soul, health, and sanity; then don't work for consulting. The money is great, but at what cost?
Fantastic vids!
Awesome tips
Hey Neel, great video, thanks for the insights! I have a question regarding the type of projects in management consulting - how many of the projects are related to high level/c suite strategy compared to lower level problems where problem/scope may be more defined, for example in operational improvements?
thank you.
thanks!
Thanks!
Wonderful..
I’ve been in companies with major restructuring and never met an intelligent Consultant, the damage that many of these consultants have done is well documented. I have seen people from the top three destroy companies, again well documented online. Although many get graduates from top tier universities it is clear much of the advise given is generic and poor on the whole.
Likewise. I am a senior contractor (programme manager), and I have executed multiple MBB “strategies”. Some strategies are so poorly thought out it’s as if they just pluck a $ value and headcount number to reduce, with no clear rationale, business case, or consulting anyone other than ExCo. I’ve had them suggest reducing headcount by numbers greater than what is even available. Some consultants I’ve worked with are on grad schemes and advising CEO / ExCo in multi-billion $ companies. There are some good grads, but for the most part it is laughable.
Bain: This is the guy! Lock him up!
It s really cool but dam I failed the 2nd round for McKinsey interview T^T
Same!! We will do it!
Thank you
Hi getting job in MBB USA is below 1%. What are the chances of getting summer internship while doing MBA & consultant job offer after MBA in all 3 MBB's USA. Do you know any one getting this type of offer in last 2-3 years.
Hey I scored an interview with a firm and was wondering if you have any advice on the interview process
Thank you Neel❤️
Our pleasure Ganesh!
As a medical student in Germany, how are my chances in consulting after Finishing school?
There is always a chance, however be a well prepared one to all the stages of interview and get the book/youtube about the consulting interview. Good luck.
1. You're highly intelligent....
okay next career search....
Dude needs therapy. Very common this sort of thinking with people from Asian backgrounds, trying to find your value from external factors (honour cultures), rather than being true to who you are (dignity cultures).
I wish I had not watched this video.
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