Richard Dawkins OFFENDS Mormon Brandon Flowers 😬
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- Опубликовано: 23 июн 2022
- Things got a little tense between biologist Richard Dawkins and lead singer of The Killers Brandon Flowers when the topic of the musician's Mormon religious beliefs came up! #shorts
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Dawkins came to destroy... Brandon came to sing 😂
And Dawkins won.
@@jeffwaller5715no
😂
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Exactly... ..a know it all narc even if it is factual
Le falta destruir su ego 😂
The thing about this is that Dawkins was under the impression that he was there to debate with Flowers about religion. He was embarrassed and actually apologized when he realised that Brandon was there to just promote his band. That's why Dawkins came across overly aggressive. The host should have made this clear to Richard beforehand. And to upload this clip without explaining the situation is kind of pathetic and unfair to both men.
Why defend Dawkins? Dawkins is highly educated and was obviously purposely brought into this conversation to make Brandon Flowers look like a fool, regardless of a later “apology”. Context or not - Dawkins is the charlatan. Dawkins believes that EVERYTHING related to religion is fake - why else bring Dawkins to a discussion with someone that believes the Book of Mormon. About music? Ridiculous. Watch Dawkins against Ben Stein - there’s a debate that would go over well.
@@lunettepepperglow7472 How can Dawkins be a charlatan lmfao😂. He doesn’t pretend he knows about evolutionary science, he literally has a PhD in it. He doesn’t spew things that he made up, but things based off hundreds of years of evidence.
@@lunettepepperglow7472 someone’s mad
@@lunettepepperglow7472 Dawkins doesn't believe everything related to religion is fake, in fact he's had a methodically open mind when tearing down the superstitions surrounding religion. Also, the host lied to him, not really his fault for not knowing he wasn't there to debate religion
Pretty boys
As an atheist, Mr Brightside is still one of the catchiest songs of this generation
He wasn’t religious then
@@AP_allday hes means himself as an athiest...
Dumb, dumb, dumb😂
I mistakenly read it as Moron and thought how rude of the uploader to call someone that. Found out it's a religion of sorts.
And the Mormon is a super famous singer…possibly the most famous Mormon.
"Of sorts" is a good way to put it.
Here’s the thing, if you said any of that to a Jewish or Islamic person about the Torah or the Quaran, you would be cancelled
And that's problematic. We're supposed to be having dialogue.
Torah and the Quran are ancient documents, but the difference is they make up the base of the legal system in Judeo-Christian society even for today's secular atheist countries, for example in pre-christian pagan/godless Europe, adultery, incest and bestiality was completely lawful until Christianity implemented strict mosaic shari'a from the Old testament (comparable to Islamic shari'a), where in certain cases death sentences were issued to convicts.
Atheism leads to degeneracy of morality as they don't believe in objective morality from a higher source in any way. As an atheist they should have no objections to incest between same sex siblings for example. But yet incest is still illegal in all secular countries. Bunch of hypocrites piggybacking off of God's holy laws then denying God completely.
Btw hateful people still burn Qur'ans all the time. Speakers corner london where some manchild (not worth mentioning their name) goes up to people and drills a hole in the Qur'an and plays with a toy mouse in the holes. Some atheists done it to bibles but they got bored now.
You might not have seen or heard about this but Dawkins has debated highly placed Christians, Jews and Islamistes. They were well educated and articulate. This man has not been canceled. Nor is he likely to be.
Dawkins has made all faiths look ridiculous countless times.
You've never seen any Christopher hitchins debates then.
Brandon is literally the most awkward celebrity on any kind of interview, he isn't easy to talk and that's why he does music. Do you wanna hear what he has to say about his religion? Go listen to The Killers albums: "Imploding the Mirage" and "Pressure Machine". As a spoiler, he is not a brainwashed Mormon, he is very stative on things about his own faith. Leave that man practice whatever he wants.
EDIT: I'm not Mormon or practice any kind of religion so I don't care what does he or any of you believe. Just listen to good music and let people find good wherever they think it's worth it. ✨
He may not be easy to talk to but he sure is easy to look at. My goodness!
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Thank you for saying this. I believe we get a really bad rap because people don’t understand us and what we really believe. I respect anyone and whatever they choose to be or not be. By the way I would say most of us aren’t “brainwashed” Now if you’re talking about the FLDS that’s another story. We are LDS and we are completely separate.
Bruh we aren't brainwashed, I believe by choice
@@hgm26 bro we're not a cult, do some research, if your not a member or someone that's been educated a long time then your just assuming a lot with that statement, you probably don't even actually know what we beleive
Poor young man. He is like a kid fighting against Pro Boxer in a ring of intellectual debate.
He is like a call of duty player trying day z
Richard Dawkins is quite possibly not the man you think he is.
@@tweakers_of_Seattle_channellike a day z player trying to interact with normal life.
@@jeepmanxj LOL
It doesn't matter what the register is under so long as it is congruent with the intent of the original message. You interpret concepts not words. Richard Dawkins argument is full of gaps.
I'm not religious but what is the point of destroying this young man's religious beliefs? From a personal perspective I would only do it out of jealousy. This kid believes in and takes comfort in a higher power, and I don't have the capacity to do that. Why should I shit on the beliefs that bring him happiness?
❤👏🙌 maybe because you’re a decent fucking human being who respects other people’s differences from your own because you know life is deeper than this superficial argumentative and useless dialogue that yields very little results whatsoever and just gets people upset for no reason.
One has the right to openly criticize beliefs that entail claiming to know things that one can’t possibly know. Also, religion affects others, always has. The sooner we can rid ourselves of it, the better
@@fizzmoe9846 you are going to be very surprised one day
@@BuscaLoEsencial I’m surprised everyday. If you’re referring to being surprised about a creator actually existing, then I doubt it, but it’s possible. And even if there were a creator, I would sooner worship a dog than a god. Especially a god as egotistical and tyrannical as the god of Abraham.
You are very arrogant to pretend to know what you do not and cannot know.
@@fizzmoe9846 I know because he is inside ny heart. And he is not egotistical or tyrannical at all. He has literally died for me.
Terrible to attack a mans personal faith when he's there to promote his rock bands album. Agree or disagree with Dawkins take on things it was horrible to insult Flowers like that. Don't think he signed up for a religious debate before going on that show. Imagine a man or woman on a show promoting a cookbook and someone randomly attacking his/her sexuality. Terrible conduct. I'm a fan of a Dawkins but this was nasty.
There's important context missing, look it up
He apologized right after.
It's mormonism, nothing to respect
@@blackout07blueis the apology on video? Is there evidence? Please show me.
He Is there for His music!
Well skavlan himself said that he made them both come so they could argue
I here for Dawkins. 😂
Telling Richard Dawkins to ‘do his research’ is hilarious. He’s spent his whole life researching!
Researching what though? He should research ultracrepidarianism, just cuz he studied one field doesn't mean he can declare himself the definitive source of truth on whatever topic he spends a few hours Googling. For example he went on Joe Rogan and was surprised to learn at what age Joseph saw God and Christ, something any 10 year old practicing member would know off the top of their head.
@@lukehanson_ Joseph Smith was a convicted con man, he actually died in prison. Flowers obviously didn't know that!
"His whole life doing research" and he still got it wrong.
@@lukehanson_ Which account of the first vision are you using as your source? lol
Joseph Smith was a con man and changed his story multiple times regarding what happened, who appeared to him and what they told him. The church has basically taken those accounts and gone with an amalgamation of the 4.
It also doesn't matter what age Joseph Smith claimed to have had the first vision. That's not what they're discussing. He's referencing Joseph Smith's criminal history. He was convicted of deceiving people as a treasure hunter.
Your argument is like saying you can't be an expert on the OJ murder trial unless you know at what age he learned to ride a bike. You can have an extensive knowledge of one without knowing the other.
@@Scotter4536 incorrect. The age of Joseph Smith is part of the story, therefore why I said a 10 year old latter day saint would know. If you don't know something a 10 year old did know about the faith, you probably shouldn't claim expertise.
It's funny you hold up the criminal justice system as a good metric to determine a person's moral character in the same paragraph you use the OJ trail as an example. Also, which court case are you referring to Joseph Smith being convicted of being a con man?
Dawkins has a thing or two to learn about respect for other people’s views and preferences
I'm not religious but I've never understood the need for atheists to go and attack people's faith. Let people believe what they want to believe, gosh.
There’s a difference between attacking a person’s faith and pointing out things that are quite clearly not true.
It also gets worse when religion gets permission to behave VERY badly without any social repercussion.
If my belief can't withstand attack, then either I or my belief is stupid.
The Killers are not a Mormon band! Brandon had to explain that they are secular hahaha.
I don’t agree with Mormonism, and what Dawkins said her may in fact be very true, but he comes off as a pompous ass in this conversation. I feel second-hand embarrassment for Dawkins here since it’s kinda like watching a boxer mistake the referee as his opponent. Brandon was there to discuss his music, and Dawkins came in belligerently attacking him.
The Mormons I have met and made friendships with amaze me with their work ethic and generosity of spirit.
They certainly count their blessings every day.
What’s that got to do with the point of the video?
@@samuelljayy6705 probably a Mormon just projecting
even nice People can be victims and probably more so to be taken advantage of by some profit making church or organisation.
Who said they didnt?
I thought that The Killers were there for a rock performance, not to debate faith.🤷🏻♀️
You’re right, Mr. Flowers should stay in his lane. 🎶
You're are right actually. Dawkins was actually embarrassed and apologised to Brandon when he realised that he was there to just promote the band. That's why Dawkins seemed overly aggressiv. The host should have clarified this to Richard.
I'm a Muslim but Brandon was there to promote their new album not to be questioned for his faith. He is a humble man and it's not like he was shoving his religion on others or causing harm to anyone. He was just minding his own business. They stupidly asked him on his faith the WHOLE interview and wasted his time and he didn't even talk a single minute of the album. What boggles me is that people in the original comment section of the video clown Brandon for stuttering and defending his faith but don't clown Richard for debating on faith on an interview supposed to be about music.
@@vegitoda4738 Did you watch the video? Brandon Flowers was asked his opinion and gave it. He voluntarily entered the conversation.
@@Burps___ Well ofc if he was asked he had to oblige. That doesn't change the fact that he was there for promotion of his album NOT for a debate. Why even being up his religion?And you need to see Brandon's interview after this where he said that he didn't know he was gonna be questioned about his religion and that he made some good points but they cut it out. And why even have a debate with a normal follower rather than a priest/preacher who knows more about the religion and can make his point of view clear?
I'm atheist and I find this attitude obnoxious. Leave the guy alone. If it helps him be a good person what is it to you?
An atheist naked Jesus. Hahaha
He’s on a show deliberately to talk to this guy and give his opinion. Leave the guy alone? What are you, his mother?
@@ope7092 good point. A person's religion can't be challenged and yet the same religion will stand candidates for election.
As above said, he's on a talk show to debate and discuss this very thing.
And if you need a book in order for you to be a good person, you probably aren't a good person.
@@Leidolfr I'd say "weren't". Might I ask what would be wrong about being a bad person becoming a good person through books? Religion or not?
The problem with being attacked is person attacking is always prepared and the person attacked is often caught off guard and not in a mind set to debate. Like this case where Brandon came to talk music. The truth is that the Book of Mormon was translated into English. If I wanted to translate the word ‘place’ and chose ‘site’ or ‘location’ Dawkins would say I’ve done it wrong and this the entire book is false. Sometimes intelligence is your own worst enemy.
Carry on Brandon. You’re fine.
You can’t “translate” a book by sticking your head in a hat and making stuff up.
Agree completely. Weasel Dawkins chaffing up and prepping for weeks. Go against someone who does it on the other side Dawkins, total clown
Tells a career researcher to do his research.
Well, when he gets it wrong as many do, it is to be expected.
Brandon was correct. He wasn’t a convicted criminal. He also was stating that Dawkins didn’t read the entire book. You should do your research
@@williampope2487he was. We literally have his arrest record
Anyone can be arrested. Doesn’t mean he was convicted
Actually the interviewer should have informed him why he was there. It's not the job of the interviewee to do the research it's is the job of the interviewer
Ok, but, can Dawkins write a hit song in the keyboard B-flat?
People making fun of Mormonism as if any other religion is any less suspect.
Plenty are? Like, way less suspect? And I don't believe any of them, but certainly Mornonism highly suspect and ridiculous to even the casual researcher on the subject
I understand why you may think that, however, once you understand the doctrines and tenets of most mainstream religions, there are very clear divisions between Mormonism and other religions. Indeed they share plenty of commonalities but Mormonism is an extremely new, modern religion -- its roots aren't shrouded in historical uncertainties like Christianity for example, whose books have been selected, curated, and modified by powerful people through the ages (ie. King James Bible). Like Richard says, it's quite clearly a 19th century creation.
It's much easier to critically assess Mormon claims about reality, as we have access to far more verifiable information due to its recency. We can also critically assess Joseph, his life and his motives. Mormons make historical claims about North America, historical figures who supposedly lived here hundreds or thousands of years ago -- which are easily debunked by science.
Submit to Christ dude
@@thomaseast2842 Exactly! You can't just pull stuff out of the Bible and make your own Bible, religion and become a prophet. The Church of Latter-day Saints Mormons are a cult and if you don't abid by what they say and do then you'll be excommunicated. I know some that have. God is very merciful and nobody is allowed to say who can and can't worship him in his house.
Bro looks like matpat
Richard Dawkins looks like if you left an onion inside your shower for a month then smeared monkey feces onto it tbh
@@perunproductions9126 rare insults
Although Dawkins is right, this was not the right place to do it. Old man needs some manners.
Brandon 👍🙏💕Peace for you and your family
WARNING. Any one who listens to this should take care and be warned, Dawkins does not know what he is talking about and ill informed. If Dawkins had studied and lived by the principles in the Book of Mormon, which principles are those of Jesus the Christ, he would not belittle this book or those that strive to live the principles found therein, Dawkins and those that try to belittle Christ's teachings need to know, God will not be mocked. Dawkins and those that mock the Book of Mormon need to prayerfully study this book as many thousands do each year and become converted to the restored gospel. Why do these converts like me accept the Book of Mormon and its teachings, well it is simple God begins to bless them in ways they never imagined. Yes there are those that leave the ranks of the saints, but the reasons are that they often cannot live the principles or commandments the Lord asks them to abide. Yes, most people don’t want the hassle of a religion that needs them to change, this is understandable, none of us really want to change. However, I invite you and all to experiment for a year or more and put aside all the negatives and miss information about the Book of Mormon and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, put all their negative thought into a black box and forget them. Then participate in building the Lord's kingdom in your heart today. This includes Dawkins and his kind, all non-believes and those that have left the church for whatever reason they and all would be welcome. Instead of listening and viewing all the negative information about the Book of Mormon try a little faith and maybe click the following links below and find out for yourself if the Book of Mormon is true or not. Don’t listen to others. May the Holy Ghost Witness to you the divinity of this book. I say these things In the name of Jesus Christ my Lord and my Saviour.
Watch "Facts that the Book of Mormon is True" on RUclips
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WARNING: Standard religious apologetics here. Former mormon here. Served a two year mission, married in the temple, whole nine yards. Stay FAR away from this cult. (And religion for that matter) people join the church because they are indoctrinated and do not have all the facts. They stay in for many reasons, almost none of them good. There is TONS of info on this on the internet, it’s all very well documented. The LDS church is no different than Jehovahs Witnesses or Scientology. Just more successful.
Dawkins is still learning
Brandon Flowers is an amazing vocalist.
That’s not the way people ‘talked ‘ in the 19th century or did you mean ‘spoke’ in the 19th century. Also convicted? Convicted by whom ? Presumably institutions with their own deep rooted beliefs.
All I know is that the killers rock!
That reporter was so rude to Brandon who is honestly practicing his faith.
And then he says “When I read the BOM… *whispers* I didn’t read it all….” What a joke lol. He thinks he’s done research after reading 1 page?
Read the witnesses testimony even the main three witnesses (Oliver kowdery, Martin Harris and David Whitmer)that and even to their deaths, never recanted their testimonies of the book being real and from God.
One does not need to read much or even any of the Book of Mormon to know that it's charlatanry.
Judging a book by it's cover tells you what's in the book?
@@geraldcroft9020 Do you think that that is a good way of determining truth? Just because someone sticks to a story doesn't make it true.
Also, Martin Harris even said that he nor any of the other 3 or 8 witness actually viewed the plates physically. He said they were viewed through their "spiritual" eyes in a vision or imagination and that they were reluctant to sign the witness.
This comes from the Church's own source, the Joseph Smith Papers, Letterbook 2, page 64.
The Church's history isn't as well put together as sunday school manuals would have you believe.
@@hgm26 you just made my point they did leave the church, but they never denied what they saw, think about it
Who okay'd this? Why would they draw a singer/songwriter into a debate with Dawkins?
He was just there to sing lmao but atheists always looking for a argument cringeee
Let peole believe what they want. Does it hurt anyone?
it might
Do your research... 😂" I think I have".... his wit never dissapoints
Atleast his eyes seem teary and sad, and not full of vengeance.
To be honest I was so surprised when I found out Brandon was a Mormon I had no idea
I mistakenly read it as Moron and thought how rude of the uploader to call someone that. Found out it's a religion of sorts.
@@dineshsharma6125 lol
@@dineshsharma6125 same I didnt know it was name or religion lmao
Of course it is a scam. Similar to every other religion/cult
Just read it
"Do your research" Great advice. Just read it.
The book of Mormon changed my life.
I found gold plates. I lost those gold plates.
It sucks, because I love The Killers, but I guess passion and reason don't come from the same place.
The way he preforms he can believe what he wants, he's brilliant.
Who put these two together? lol
Even Christ was convicted as a charlatan. That is no proof for or against his Godly nature
Why in the world is Brandon Flowers debating Dawkins? 🤨
Flowers was there to promote the new album at the time and Dawkins was told it was a debate of some sorts. No wonder Flowers looks and sounds confused
Brandon is such a talented cutie who just wants to make good rock music. The whole show was wrong for letting Dawkins and the others attack Brandon's religion like that, especially since Brandon was not prepared for the onslaught. geez louise.
So if I came to you and told you I seriously believed in hobbitism , and that the the great gandalf instructed all hobbits that questing was the most honourable acts they could partake, and u would say but Ur not a hobbit and I said but I am a hobbitist, I believe man derived from hobbits which is why some men have large feet , some men are small but not all...gandalf was great and instructed all and there's much we can learn from his teachings of hobbits...you would surely say what a complete lot of nonsense , how on earth could you believe that as a religious doctrine...it's no different.
Plumber: there's a leak we need to change the pipe
Homeowner: no you should do your research
Fun fact: I used to be a HUGE Dawkins/Atheist Thinker fan in High School. I was *sure* these guys had it all figured out.
The Killers had already been my favorite band, and I remember watching this video and instantly realizing exactly how big of an asshole Dawkins and co were actually being. Resolved to taking stock of who I was and making sure I'd never be that way myself.
In a very weird, roundabout way seeing that interview those years ago made me a better person in that it helped me realize I did not want to be like these guys *at all*. I'm now like, a very chill agnostic-ish-catholic-ish guy who understands that religious belief is such a uniquely personal thing, and that it and the way it plays into our lives is way more complicated than shit stirrers like Dawkins give it credit for.
Dawkins wants desperately to be perceived as this wise man running around waking people up to some 'reality' but at the end of the day he's working with an insane level of luck and privilege to be able to sit in his ivory tower and issue edicts as to how regular people should grapple with the mystery of existence.
He tries to make it about acts committed in the name of religion but those same acts have been committed in the name of the state, hatred, love and any number of other reasons people do bad things. If he truly cared about the plight of people in oppressive regimes he wouldn't spend so much time mocking those born into faith but addressing the problems head on. Contrary to his belief that getting paid to give speeches to hoighty toighty folks is helping anyone but him, it's not.
Dawkins' head is so far up his own ass he can't smell his own shit anymore, and that's saying something because he's really full of it.
I’m sincerely sorry for you
@@healthyhomesoflubbock3985 I’m sorry you feel as though what you see in this video is healthy social interaction, or even an effective way of persuading folks to a cause. Dawkins behavior here is rude, and cartoonishly out of touch with how you persuade anyone of anything and I think most folks who have touched grass in the last decade understand why this is.
@@SuborbitalSays Dawkins was mislead here. He was under the impression that he was there to debate with Flowers about religion. He was embarrassed and actually apologized to Brandon when he realised that he was only on the show to promote his band. This is the hosts fault if anything.
@@SuborbitalSays cry more hehe
@@thetaboyswag2307 anime profile pic lmao
A belief in a supreme being has held humanity back from reaching it's full potential and will eventually be it's demise.
Dawkins did him a favor. I bet no one has ever told him the truth before. Who better to ask him to question the lies he's been fed.
It was uncalled for , he was there to sing . One of the best underrated bands
So, he’s a delusional singer.
Listen to the whole clip. This is selective and you've been baited and took the hook.
@@norwegianzound I've seen it , Richard even apologized because he didn't know he was just there to perform and Richard was taking up time . Maybe Richard thought he was there for a religious debate
@@bobmusil1458 nope
@@vvx600 All Mormons are delusional.
In fact Mormonism is the only religion where we can actually prove that the founder was a conman.
Brandon being a gentleman
Dawkins being a knob
Don't think he came off very well to the public on that one
Denial playbook: Ask for specifics when the criticism is general or broad in scope….. Then deny specifics when they are presented saying they don’t represent the general… Repeat until end of time
A testimony of God is not one you prove in the laboratory it’s done through the Holy Ghost if you don’t believe that’s fine but I cannot prove it to you and you cannot disprove it for me we all have to have that revelation made to ourselves. Mormon here, now have at it.
You’re offended? So what?
Joseph Smith, not guilty.
At least he says he takes offence to the facts instead of saying his feelings are hurt.
???
They’re synonymous 🤦🏽♂️
Well it was insulting is Brandon going to leave his religious community and abandon his faith because of that guy though? I doubt it. I actually really like how Brandon has mentioned Johnny Cash and Elvis singing Gospel too and did they need to be insulted about it? All his years in Vegas I imagine Brandon seeing many Elvis impersonators and thinking oh so just wear a flashy jacket and sing people like that and now he's older than Elvis when he died doesn't pop pills isn't overweight not a womanizer so I think he does whatever works for him.
It's not Richard Dawkins the one who offended Brandon Flowers. He did it to himself.
Dawkins offends me by breathing.
I mean Joseph Smith was ran out of one state for being a con man. That statement is historically valid
He was run out of the state because people didn't like his religion. The same thing happened to the Christians after Christ died during the Roman empire.
@@Iceman20102010 He used his fake religion to leverage people, especially men and their wives. Christianity isn’t a cult, story’s have been proven to be historical. Everything from the Book of Mormon is a bunch of made up nonsense 😂 you can see it in the way they govern the church today, they change policies left and right to benefit their pocket book. Pretty suspicious when the organization runs like a business I mean they’re one of the biggest funding groups for big pharma
Richard has an amazingly valid point. Personally, I couldn’t get through the BoM. Much too dry - as is the bible.
Of course “and it came to pass” isn’t a 19th century phrase, it was translated from a book written to thousands of years prior…
Makes me love Brandon Flowers even more after watching this.
Mormonism used to be the stupidest religion of them all.
But then came Ron Hubbard.
A lot of people have tried, but nobody was able to beat Scientology.
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charlatan books
@@fabiofernandes9122 Maybe sometime you’d like to read it.
Even the Bible was a collection of books rewritten and put together for a modern take. This doesn’t make them “fakes” by default. There’s this little thing called “context” and “nuance”.
“…well, I think I have…”
Boom. Game over.
It's his perogative, what religion he wants to follow.Being backed into a corner because his beliefs don't match up with the person surprising him into a debate is a pretty shitty thing to do,is it not?Yes, there are aggresive bullies in that church, but you'll find a bully in any religion. It always seems to be this way, if you're a bully, you radar in on the awkward person so you can feel more powerful. Brandon Flowers is more of an awkward introvert, and you dont see him trying to force people into his religion. He was there for sharing his music, not religious debate.
Leave Brandon flowers alone....He is a kind and great artist. That is his personal faith , and please respect him.
Can I say this the Quran & Bible 😂
Not really because whether you dispute them or not they were atleast written in the language and time that they were from
@@Nozarash1 you can easily dispute the Quran, it was put together 300 years after Muhammed died by hundreds of different people coming together and attempting to recount generational stories. That's not very good system for factual accuracy. Then on top of that you have the overwhelming plaguerism from other cultures and Christianity and Judaism.
Christianity is a plaguerism of Judaism, for example the Jewish tribes used to send a goat loaded with "the sins of the tribe" into the desert to die. This is the origin of the word scapegoating, and pretty much the premise of Jesus. Judaism itself arose out of a polytheism, and was but one sect of a diverse religion with many gods.
@@jdkhaos4983 actually the Quran was revealed 1400 years ago and it’s in it’s original Arabic txt never been changed. There is carbon copies that are in Birmingham.
As for the Bible there are 70 different bibles. And it’s not in the original Aramaic text. The earliest Bible would be the Greek version
Yes, easily. The Bible and Quran were not written in English. The Book of Mormon was written in the language the writers spoke; reformed Egyptian. Then later it was translated into English by Joseph Smith.
Wow! I'm something between atheist and agnostic. I don't care about his religion, i know he is mormon and i don't care.
I love his music with The Killers and solos, i respect him a lot.
Deer in the headlights.
The difference is that Dawkins has actually read this tripe and can dismantle its ridiculousness. This fella has basically just been brought up as a morman and won’t believe it’s anything but true as mommy and daddy and the rest of the surrounding misguided simpletons believe it.
If the book of mormon was so fake why did God make it float up and out of orbit of earth's gravitational pull and then send it through space back into heaven ? Answer me that!
lol
For the same reason God did that to the original Bible / Quran manuscripts.
Oh Brandon.
Telling Dawkins to ‘do your research’ 🤦♀️🤦♀️ i do respect Brandon keeping his response polite and respectful, it’s obviously hard for him to hear such a harsh pov
Anyone who has a belief should be completely open to have someone doubt their ideas. Theres nothing to fear with doubt,it could lead you to the truth. Doubt is bad if it leads to crushing your original ideas.
"Religion Poisons Everything" - Christopher Hitchens
The truth hurts.
Some people just like all the woke ppl,
You could scream at the top of your lungs obvious truths, but they will deny it no matter how clear it is. It’s very sad.
For someone like him to tell Richard Dawkins to do his research is insanity. The man is an academic his life is research
If he did his research to have the book of Mormon came about hhe would think differently
Almost as insane as forcing a musician into a religious debate to promote your own ego...
Aaawh.....poor Brandon! LOL....telling RD to do his homework....LOL
Dawkins was confused and thought this was a debate, he apologized afterwards.
The real idiot is who posted this whiteout context.
Kid to tenured Theologian: You should do your research…
One sentence explanation:
Mormonism is a religion crafted by dudes, for dudes.
Theologian - your book doesn't match how people spoke, Intelligent person - but it does match how people read, i.e. the Bible was available long before 1800.
@hgm26 His point was that the BoM was written in Elizabethian English while everyone in America spoke American English. But he missed the part where everyone in America had access to the Bible, which was written in Elizabethian English. Not to mention, he lied about Joseph Smith being convicted. He never was. And Joseph Smith didn't plagurize the Bible, he quoted it. As did many authors in the New Testament when they quoted Prophets of the Old Testament.
@hgm26 a valid case by accusers that was so valid that he was never convicted. So, exactly how valid was the case? The Mormons at that time had no government or political allies, so the case had to be pure conjecture for an opposing judge and jury to reject it. Sure, that is what happens when you quote something, it is word for word, just like when the New Testament authors quoted the old Testament Prophets. In the 1830s there was only one widely used version on the Bible, the kjv. The BoM is written in the same language as the kjv Bible because it is scripture just like the Bible. So it would be no surprise that a translation of scripture like the Bible was written in the same style as the Bible.
@@hgm26 we do know how it ended, it failed to convict him. He was never convicted of anything. Lots of charges/or false charges, 0 convictions. Good summary of all the attempts - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith_and_the_criminal_justice_system
@@hgm26 what errors are you referring to?
Brandon makes great music. Thats pretty much what I and many many others care about.
18th century not 19th century
Hope Brandon’s figured it out by now. I was born & raised in it, I know how hard it is to let yourself see and hear the truth. Joseph Smith was in every way a con man, and millions have suffered for it.
Richard Dawkins told the truth!
Brandon ain’t even a real Mormon 😂 He just larped as one back in the 00s as a gimmick.
LOL this kid had no clue.
He looked a 6 year old being told Santa wasnt real. And the kid responding with Santa is real, do your research.
Matt patt?
He should’ve walked off 😮
I love you Brandon❤
Immediately became Mr. Darkside 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
ahhhh did the little boy get offended. grow up Brandon tulip
According to South Park the Mormons were right
Let the TRUTH offend what it will and everyone else's lifeless opinions fall to the wayside.
Well Dawkins is right if he claims he's moron better have a good reason you our... he doesn't have defend the whole religion just why he is one is simple enough
Look up chiasmus in the Book of Mormon and then have this discussion
I did..it's shit
@@ChillyBruh nice
The Book of Mormon is a true book of scripture and has more than just Chiasmus that prove its authenticity.
This was actually embarrassing for Brandon, who’s not a debator or even a scientist but an entertainer!! Lol
Come on Brandon your better than this.
The guys nearly crying he can't handle the truth
Well.... we can not change how people think themselves over and over again... being the smartest guy in all his glory. But i think the saying is true....
"A smartest person in the world is the greatest ignorant and dumbest person forever"...