Excellent commentary! I appreciate your in depth analysis. Most Christians that I know do not understand the entire concept of salvation and the details of the process involved. AD 70 is the grand finale. Well done, Zach!
Zach thank you for making this video! You made this clear and easy to understand and apply to our lives! Praise God we have the fullness of the promises today!
Zach, I entirely agree with your teaching here. Before understanding how to read the scriptures by taking the time statements, audience relevance, and SIS in their proper perspective, I was perplexed as to the nature of those who've died in Christ. I knew, according to the OT, that the dead were asleep in Sheol until the second coming when their salvation would be completed. But churchianity had always said the dead were in heaven, something I thought was entirely unacceptable. Thus, it was just one of those issues I was not going to convince anyone of, so I didn't talk about it. But what I really struggled with were the accounts of NDEs and the convincing evidence that some of them were undoubtedly true, personal, and glorious proof of life after death. Since being led by the Spirit to be exposed to and understand fulfilled prophesy (preterism), my mind is completely at ease regarding the issue of what happens when we die. Thanks again for your presentations and studies!
Excellent! Perfect teaching, with all verses, let scripture speak for itself, metalepsis, OT will determine the NT context, and if HiS return has not occurred, we are still in the Old Covenant system, exactly on point!
No. Jesus is in heaven administering in the heavenly sanctuary as under the order of the Melchizedek priesthood. If we were still under the old covenant system, we would have to be doing sacrifices in a temple.
Amen! This is one of the big reasons why FP is gospel eschatology! I go to funerals and people speak with such confidence people are in heaven but use all the wrong verses. Or they say they will be in heaven at the resurrection. Or both at the same time (which makes the least sense but is the most popular)
Hades or Sheol are only metaphors for a spiritual state of a person or people who are outside of God's presence and will. God's kingdom is spiritually omnipresent, and all souls enter this glorious dimension, at the latest at the end of their life on earth. Blessing
Hebrews 9:28. Zach that was clear to me and you confirmed it. So if we havent had the second coming, then this verse confirms salvation isnt complete, at least from a futurist standpoint. I posed that to one of the other keynote speakers from last August and didnt quite get this thought back. You and I see this verse the same.
Most pastors will go to the graveside service, with the headstones pointed east (waiting and ready for the physical body to be raised when Jesus rides in in the rapture in premil teaching) and tell you that deceased is with the Lord in heaven, all the while holding up a second coming theology.
Absent from the body, meant from the community of believers. But he was connected to them through the Spirit of God, and therefore not absent. Salvation came at Pentecost through the individual reception of the Holy Spirit in the Father and Son Jesus through faith. At the end of the judgment 67-70, all NC believers and OC believers were symbolically and spiritually united in the heavenly Jerusalem of the city of the living God. Everything was completely restored and fulfilled! Blessings
@Zack or anybody else who have an idea, a bit off subject of message. Matthew 27:50-53. Those who were raised " many not all" the bodies of the saints, are these, this is my opinion, the saints of the OT that believed God and lived by faith and not solely on the law, who were raised with the dead saints in AD70. Can't find scripture to back this idea. This Matthew passage has been bothering me.🤔🤔 Thanks
This is a great explanation! Zach, this is off topic a bit but do we, in the full preterist camp, have evidence of any Church records of full preterism being held as a belief in the post 70 AD early Church? I am being accused of "coming up with something new" that the early Church has never held to! Ugh! This is insanity...Scriptures come first, I believe, but yet they persist! Do you have any resources or references on this topic? I sure appreciate your work. Us people that are not allowed to fellowship at local churches are worn down.
We have no Christian writings for the following three to four decades after Christ's appearing. We have writings from that period from other religions, but no Christians. Why? It's simple. There were no Christians to write anything. They had been raptured at Christ's appearing, exactly as he had promised them.
@DannyFesperman wrong. Odes of Solomon. The Epistle of Barnabas and the Shepherd of Hermas may have been written shortly after 70AD as well. Your 70AD rapture belief doesn't understand the language of 1 Thess 4 and 5. 1 Thess 4 and 5 is parallel to Matt 24 and there's not even a hint of a rapture in that chapter, let alone in Luke 21 and Matt 13. Jesus told his disciples to flee when the armies approached. Why would they need to if He was just going to rapture them anyway? Caught up in the air DOES NOT mean floating up off the Earth. It's such a silly, dispy view of Scripture.
@JR-rs5qs There is so much wrong with your comment. 1. Barnabas was written in the AD50s, and it was what probably inspired Paul to write Hebrews, to correct the errors of Barnabas. 2. You have no idea when the other two were written. 3. Matt 24:31 is the rapture. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Um, let's see. It seems like there's another verse similar to that somewhere. Oh, yeah, I remember. 1 Thes 4:16. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 4. There were no bodies floating through the air. They were instantaneously changed from the visible physical realm into the invisible spiritual realm.
@@DannyFesperman 1. Barnabas was not written in 50AD. 16:3-4 of the epistle proves the temple had already been torn down. Authorship attributed to Barnabas, companion of Paul, was just a belief by some and not proven. Scholarship almost unanimously says it was written after 70AD. You just have your opinion on this. 2. Scholarship says all 3 that I mentioned were written after 70AD. I have shown you before in a comments section of another video that Ode 15 of the Odes of Solomon clearly communicates that whichever early Christian was the writer that he believed 1 Cor 15 was fulfilled. I don't need to know exactly when they were written, but Scholarship does. 3. The gathering of the elect in Matt 24:31 is the same gathering that Paul speaks of in Romans 11. The gathering was not physical, and this is why your view is carnal, since it requires a physical change to take place. The kingdom was/is spiritual. It was covenantal change taking place and in order to be saved, one must have endured to the end (of the old covenant age) rather than returning to the types and shadows of the then present old covenant age. Jesus' prayer in John 17:15 was not for the Father to take them out of the world but rather that He would protect them from the evil one. This "will" directly contradicts your rapture view. It is a rather odd idea that after going through so much from the start of Jesus' ministry through 70AD that God would just yank all of His people from this plane of existence and allow whoever became a Christian after the fact to somehow pick up the pieces even though they'd have no idea how to even remotely put them together. Besides that, there's tradition, and some evidence, that at least a few early Christians such as Polycarp of Smyrna, Ignatius of Antioch, Clement of Rome and Papias of Hierapolis were either taught at least some by some of the disciples or were taught by elders the disciples had appointed in various local assemblies. Why do we find zero hint in any of the writings of these early Christians about a rapture? 4. So it was a metaphysical, spiritual teleportation instead? 🤣 A rapture is a thoroughly dispensational invention. Christians weren't just in Pella in 70AD; they were dispersed throughout the entire Roman world. It would have been the biggest conspiracy ever hashed by humanity (maybe beyond the ridiculous flat earth idea) to quash any secular reference to Christians miraculously disappearing. Jesus' rhetorical question in Luke 18:8 regarding a lack of faith was in reference to "the land" and not to the oikoumene or kosmos. There was faith outside the land. By the time the Romans sacked Jerusalem, there was no faith "in the land" (Jerusalem) because the Christians obeyed Christ's words on fled to Pella and elsewhere. The Christians outside the land had no need of going anywhere. You're arguing from silence that a rapture occurred, so I will argue from an even louder silence: there's zero historical record from anyone about a miraculous disappearance of a group of people spread all throughout the largest and most dominant empire that had ever existed in the world up until that point. I recognize the scarcity of very early preterist writings (as far as have been translated) but your position is far more embarrassing than mine.
In Hebrews 9:28 I suggest that after "Him", the pronoun "he" refers to "those" individuals who eagerly wait, for righteousness and salvation as righteousness is judicial approval.
In Hebrew 9:28, where it says he shall appear the second time unto Salvation its referring to the Second time in the lifetime of the first century of the Saints during that particular time. The book of Hebrews was written between 66ad-70ad before the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. The Temple that was standing had to be destroyed to bring in the fullness of the Redemptive work of Jesus Christ. And then the Bible says that Jesus entered into the holy place in heaven for us once and for all in the first century, not 2000 years into the future. Those Saints that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus they were married to the bridegroom because they went straight into heaven after they were martyred they were all given White Robes. The Old Testament Saints were the Saints that were asleep in Jesus in Abraham's bosom waiting for the coming of the Messiah to fulfill all things and the Bible says that after the resurrection of Jesus Christ that the graves opened up. Now I don't see how you can get around this not being Jesus leading captivity captive These Old Testament Saints were the first fruit unto God and the Lamb Sometimes, deep theological Eschatology can be a little too much and then ignore the spiritual significance Also Hades should not even be an option because Hades represents the Greek under world of the Greek God's but there is only one God Amen 🙏
To be absent from the body is to be with the Lord. So is Christ on His throne or in Hades? When Christ rose from the grave the dead rose and walked into the town and we're seen by many. The age to come was at resurrection.
What did a Israelites have to do to be in the Kingdom after their ancestors entered the promise land. After Jericho. For us after revelation was completed.
Zack, consider this: If by one man (Adam), sin entered the world and brought death upon all (what is this "death"?), and by one man (Jesus), death was defeated-yet not all are saved from this death-doesn’t that make it seem as though Adam’s sin is greater than Christ’s victory? You are quoting from the shadow of wilderness wanding think on that. Love your thoughts, brother..
@@zachdavis3882This isn't true, because every human on earth is a descendant of Adam and Eve. All are separated from the Almighty, but baptism means we are no longer separate. Yashua defeated spiritual death "separation from YAH" and physical death. And provided a way for us to enter into the throne room of the Almighty.
No one had to believe in Adam’s act of disobedience to suffer the death it brought-everyone was affected automatically. But to receive the gift of life through Christ, belief is required. Doesn’t this seem like we might be missing something? From this perspective, it almost appears that Adam’s action had a greater impact than Christ’s. Could it be that our understanding of Christ’s gift is incomplete or limited? If His grace is truly abundant and His victory greater than Adam’s fall, shouldn’t its reach and effect surpass the consequences of Adam’s offense without requiring belief as a condition? However, this belief seems more about our understanding of the great tribulation that came upon that generation. It points to God’s judgment and the fulfillment of His promises during that time. But now, God is once again reigning. I also hold the understanding that Jesus came to defeat our true enemy and take away the consequences of their power over us. His victory ensures that the consequences of sin and death no longer define humanity, and His reign brings restoration and hope. But religious thinking today often mirrors the mindset of the Israelites, scribes, and Pharisees. Instead of embracing God’s law of love, which calls us to love our fellow man as God has loved us, many have turned worship into rigid rules and exclusivity. True worship is shown through love-when we love others as God loved us, we demonstrate our love for Him. God’s Kingdom encompasses all of creation, yet religion has often reduced it to a few select people, much like the Israelites. They were meant to be a city of peace, a light to the nations, but their thinking and ways turned it inward, claiming it only for themselves. This is a reminder for us not to repeat their mistakes but to embrace the fullness of God’s Kingdom and the inclusiveness of His love. Hope this makes sense, if only the world new they were saved. What a different world we would have but we keep the burden of sin over each others heads.
Do christian die? I say no because in the Bible, John 11:25 says, "I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die", "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent" is a verse from the Bible, John 17:3, Eternal life is knowing him. Your thoughts?
Death has been swallowed up in victory. It was thrown into the lake of fire when the ministry of death (law of Moses) had ended. That’s why Paul says things like being dead to sin but alive unto God because he was no longer living under the law of sin & death despite it still being around technically. There is no law against us today to condemn us, only the man made laws Christianity has convinced people they are still under. Christianity today is basically an RPG of the 1st century because they refuse to take no other mindset than the mindset the writers had at the time they wrote their letters. They would call that “altering the bible” so they are in a permanent 1st century mindset for fear of going against the scriptures.
You are correct about the saved going to heaven now. When I was saved, I passed from death unto life. When I die, I will pass from life unto life. But, you are wrong about their salvation before Christ's appearing. Gal 5:5. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. They were not waiting for righteousness. They were waiting "for the hope of righteousness". The hope of righteousness for them back then was the same hope of righteousness for us today. It was/is the hope of Rom 8 redemption. 11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. They couldn't experience heaven with Jesus until his appearing. We get to experience it as soon as we die. Also, 2 Cor 5 is about receiving our glorious body after death. It's not your corporate body. Heaven is the final reward for God's people.
Zack, love you brother but not quite understanding I said adam not abraham. What covenant did adam have. By one man death was brought into the world. By one man death was defeated. But we still have death physical. The death spoken was always spiritual from my perspective.
2 corin 5 is absolutely talking about our physical bodies and new heavenly bodies we get when we die! 2 Corinthians 5:1-3 (nlt) New Bodies 1For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands. 2We grow weary in our present bodies, and we long to put on our heavenly bodies like new clothing. 3For we will put on heavenly bodies; we will not be spirits without bodies. 1 corin 15:40 King James Bible There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. its israel that gets their sins washed away at the times of refreshing not the body of Christ we are justified from all things at belief in the death burial and resurrection ! Acts 13:38-39 38Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses
May I offer a suggestion. In Jeremiah 8, God refers to the to the corrupt leaders in Jerusalem as being bones in tombs, meaning they had not been atoned for and are under the curse(land is unclean), and would receive that promise of destruction. In Matt 23:27-28 the leaders there are called white washed tombs. When Jesus’s death occurred, the curse would be lifted from the land, and the corrupt leadership no longer would have the authority over the people. Many who were washed by John’s Bapitsm and Jesus’s Baptism, before the Holy Spirit, are no longer under that authority. I believe it is an expression that says these people are now freed from the corrupt leadership, and would not come under the curse that was prophesied to. It’s the best I’ve come up with regarding the language and situation. Colossians 2:15. He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.
It’s the situation reversed from Jeremiah 8 I believe. Plus it is being written after the fact so I def believe it is recounting the effect the cross had upon The people of Jerusalem at the time, whether the people may have known it or not.
@@duaneking273 Matt. 27:52 says many bodies of the saints which slept arose.There is no reference to leaders like your stating in Matt. 23:27,28. I do not see metaphorical language here in Matt. 27:52,53. This event happened when the veil was rent and Christ's resurrection. Verse 54 says centurions witnessed these things. Neither Mark, Luke or John mention this in their writings. Very thought provoking.
@@Bradleymarlin-e7w Yeah my interpretation may be wrong, but I just try to see similarities in language regarding an unclean people walking amongst bad teachers, pollute the land and make them dry bones for they have not been atoned for yet, until God poured His wrath out on the flesh. Jeremiah 7 would give a good description of what was happening in that same day too. Walking in the tombs could easily mean people being unclean amongst bad teachers. Paul also says living people should wake out of their sleep in Romans 13:11. So just trying to apply OT situations regarding people not being atoned for, walking amongst teaching that kills, with similar language that has been used other places. Who knows though. For me it makes more sense than a multitude of Zombies walking in the streets. I could easily be wrong though. Just like Ezekiel 37 and the dry bones. It simply means they were unclean and had not had the proper animal atonement/covering yet to restore the to a clean position before God, which he does for them in Zechariah 3. Jesus in Matt 27 atoned for the flesh at the moment bringing dry bones back to life. Again just connections that make more sense possibly regarding atonement language
The Lord says to my lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.” When did Messiah's reign begin? Was it when He sat on the throne at the Father's right hand, or was it when His enemies were made HIs footstool. because Jesus sat on His throne when He ascended to the Father, His Messianic age/reign began at His ascension.
At the second coming the dead in Christ will rise (from sheol). No one descends from heaven. Christ specifically told us in John 3:13 that no one has ascended to heaven except him who descended. What is your evidence that God changed where believers go when they die? It was sheol and always has been. The definition of sheol is that it's the holding place for all the souls of men, righteous and unrighteous as described in Luke 16:19. Please cite the text that confirms to you that we go to heaven when we die.
Revelation 11 19 Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, The temple was opened before this, but then it was closed during the wrath of God, and was not opened agian until God's wrath was complete. Jesus explained how the door would be shut in Matthew 25 Matthew 25 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep. 6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’ 7 “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’ 9 “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’ 10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut. 11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’ 12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’ 13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour. The temple is the church of Christ, and it was manifested on the earth on Pentecost when Christ came His second time, to dwell in believers and save them from their sins. Hebrews 9:28 is about Christ coming as the HS. think about this. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. who is Christ appearing to in this verse? It is to those who are waiting on Him, which is the same as saying those who love Him. Christ is not appearing to those who are waiting for Him in His 70 AD appearing! They are appearing with Him. If they are appearing with Him then He cannot be appearing to them. Colossians 3:4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory. There is the contradiction. Christ cannot be appearing to those who are appearing with Him when He makes His appearing. so what appearing of Christ is Hebrews 9:28 referring to? This one John 14 21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.” and John 14 did not take place for them in 70 AD, it is fulfilled when the Comforter/Holy Spirit comes to a person... 18 I will not leave you comfortless; I will come to you. The salvation that came in 70 AD was the fist century church's salvation from their persecutors that was promised in Luke 1:70-, and that salvation has nothing to do with the salvation from sin that the second appearing of Christ's brings to those who obey Him and wait on Him. 2 timothy 1 9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, 10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, what appearing is the appearing of the Christ who has abolished death? IT was not His fist appearing that abolished death and saved Paul and Timothy from sin. It was His second appearing as the HS that saved them from sin. notice Paul says that both himself and Timothy are saved from sin already, this is not something they are waiting to take place, they are already called to walk in the holiness they have received from Christ. If they were still dead in sin then they could not be required to walk in holiness.
No. Christ remains the only human that has gone to heaven. Well, John was given visions of the future second heaven, Paul was taken, time traveled, to the third, about which he was forbidden to speak of, and was given a thorn till death did he part, to keep him humbled by this experience. Yeah yeah, everyone wants to go to heaven. Like everyone wants to win the lottery. Sad. In Gid's time, people. Do you really want to go to heaven in YOUR time? OK, then, not His but YOUR will be done. Going to Sheol Hades is the big sleep, the big nonconscious sleep. The moment you die to the moment He rouses you is an instant to your conscious mind, tho it be 5000 years. And many will be judged and then go to the lake of fire, not to burn forever, but simply to die again, a second big sleep. Not to worry too much. In the end, at the consummation, our Lord abolishes the last enemy, death, and all are vivified, give life beyond death. So, after this third wicked eon, two more good eons to go. The 1000 years, at the end of when Satan is loosed and the apostasy is greater than ever. Why is Satan loosed? To prove the sovereignty of God. It ain't Hanes to I say it's Hanes. Meaning, your heart ain't changed till and unless HE changes your heart. Then the long fifth eon of the eons, some say 20,000 years, the new heaven and earth where death is no more (except those who died the second death, and when the Father Himself dwells with us on earth.
Until or unless you get the big truth of the eons you will be lost. Concordant Literal is your best bet hands down. God is love and has no fellowship with eternal punishment. The latter is Satan having fellowship with bible translators. Such fellowship has been wildly successful.
How is it the second coming and not the third? His birth was the first coming - good His death/rising was the second - bad Death to evil/return to good will be the 3rd coming
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Excellent commentary! I appreciate your in depth analysis. Most Christians that I know do not understand the entire concept of salvation and the details of the process involved. AD 70 is the grand finale. Well done, Zach!
Zach thank you for making this video! You made this clear and easy to understand and apply to our lives! Praise God we have the fullness of the promises today!
Zach, I entirely agree with your teaching here. Before understanding how to read the scriptures by taking the time statements, audience relevance, and SIS in their proper perspective, I was perplexed as to the nature of those who've died in Christ. I knew, according to the OT, that the dead were asleep in Sheol until the second coming when their salvation would be completed. But churchianity had always said the dead were in heaven, something I thought was entirely unacceptable. Thus, it was just one of those issues I was not going to convince anyone of, so I didn't talk about it. But what I really struggled with were the accounts of NDEs and the convincing evidence that some of them were undoubtedly true, personal, and glorious proof of life after death. Since being led by the Spirit to be exposed to and understand fulfilled prophesy (preterism), my mind is completely at ease regarding the issue of what happens when we die. Thanks again for your presentations and studies!
Excellent! Perfect teaching, with all verses, let scripture speak for itself, metalepsis, OT will determine the NT context, and if HiS return has not occurred, we are still in the Old Covenant system, exactly on point!
No. Jesus is in heaven administering in the heavenly sanctuary as under the order of the Melchizedek priesthood.
If we were still under the old covenant system, we would have to be doing sacrifices in a temple.
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Great teaching, loved it
Amen! This is one of the big reasons why FP is gospel eschatology! I go to funerals and people speak with such confidence people are in heaven but use all the wrong verses. Or they say they will be in heaven at the resurrection. Or both at the same time (which makes the least sense but is the most popular)
Hades or Sheol are only metaphors for a spiritual state of a person or people who are outside of God's presence and will. God's kingdom is spiritually omnipresent, and all souls enter this glorious dimension, at the latest at the end of their life on earth. Blessing
Hebrews 9:28. Zach that was clear to me and you confirmed it. So if we havent had the second coming, then this verse confirms salvation isnt complete, at least from a futurist standpoint. I posed that to one of the other keynote speakers from last August and didnt quite get this thought back. You and I see this verse the same.
The fullness was the key word.
Most pastors will go to the graveside service, with the headstones pointed east (waiting and ready for the physical body to be raised when Jesus rides in in the rapture in premil teaching) and tell you that deceased is with the Lord in heaven, all the while holding up a second coming theology.
The new gotcha was the 2nd Cor quote. Learned something on that one.
Absent from the body, meant from the community of believers. But he was connected to them through the Spirit of God, and therefore not absent. Salvation came at Pentecost through the individual reception of the Holy Spirit in the Father and Son Jesus through faith. At the end of the judgment 67-70, all NC believers and OC believers were symbolically and spiritually united in the heavenly Jerusalem of the city of the living God. Everything was completely restored and fulfilled! Blessings
@Zack or anybody else who have an idea, a bit off subject of message.
Matthew 27:50-53. Those who were raised " many not all" the bodies of the saints, are these, this is my opinion, the saints of the OT that believed God and lived by faith and not solely on the law, who were raised with the dead saints in AD70.
Can't find scripture to back this idea. This Matthew passage has been bothering me.🤔🤔 Thanks
This is a great explanation!
Zach, this is off topic a bit but do we, in the full preterist camp, have evidence of any Church records of full preterism being held as a belief in the post 70 AD early Church? I am being accused of "coming up with something new" that the early Church has never held to! Ugh! This is insanity...Scriptures come first, I believe, but yet they persist! Do you have any resources or references on this topic? I sure appreciate your work. Us people that are not allowed to fellowship at local churches are worn down.
Check out Ode 15 of the Odes of Solomon...1 Cor 15 fulfilled. The Odes were written shortly after 70AD.
We have no Christian writings for the following three to four decades after Christ's appearing. We have writings from that period from other religions, but no Christians. Why? It's simple. There were no Christians to write anything. They had been raptured at Christ's appearing, exactly as he had promised them.
@DannyFesperman wrong. Odes of Solomon. The Epistle of Barnabas and the Shepherd of Hermas may have been written shortly after 70AD as well. Your 70AD rapture belief doesn't understand the language of 1 Thess 4 and 5. 1 Thess 4 and 5 is parallel to Matt 24 and there's not even a hint of a rapture in that chapter, let alone in Luke 21 and Matt 13. Jesus told his disciples to flee when the armies approached. Why would they need to if He was just going to rapture them anyway? Caught up in the air DOES NOT mean floating up off the Earth. It's such a silly, dispy view of Scripture.
@JR-rs5qs There is so much wrong with your comment.
1. Barnabas was written in the AD50s, and it was what probably inspired Paul to write Hebrews, to correct the errors of Barnabas.
2. You have no idea when the other two were written.
3. Matt 24:31 is the rapture.
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Um, let's see. It seems like there's another verse similar to that somewhere. Oh, yeah, I remember.
1 Thes 4:16. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
4. There were no bodies floating through the air. They were instantaneously changed from the visible physical realm into the invisible spiritual realm.
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1. Barnabas was not written in 50AD. 16:3-4 of the epistle proves the temple had already been torn down. Authorship attributed to Barnabas, companion of Paul, was just a belief by some and not proven. Scholarship almost unanimously says it was written after 70AD. You just have your opinion on this.
2. Scholarship says all 3 that I mentioned were written after 70AD. I have shown you before in a comments section of another video that Ode 15 of the Odes of Solomon clearly communicates that whichever early Christian was the writer that he believed 1 Cor 15 was fulfilled. I don't need to know exactly when they were written, but Scholarship does.
3. The gathering of the elect in Matt 24:31 is the same gathering that Paul speaks of in Romans 11. The gathering was not physical, and this is why your view is carnal, since it requires a physical change to take place. The kingdom was/is spiritual. It was covenantal change taking place and in order to be saved, one must have endured to the end (of the old covenant age) rather than returning to the types and shadows of the then present old covenant age. Jesus' prayer in John 17:15 was not for the Father to take them out of the world but rather that He would protect them from the evil one. This "will" directly contradicts your rapture view. It is a rather odd idea that after going through so much from the start of Jesus' ministry through 70AD that God would just yank all of His people from this plane of existence and allow whoever became a Christian after the fact to somehow pick up the pieces even though they'd have no idea how to even remotely put them together. Besides that, there's tradition, and some evidence, that at least a few early Christians such as Polycarp of Smyrna, Ignatius of Antioch, Clement of Rome and Papias of Hierapolis were either taught at least some by some of the disciples or were taught by elders the disciples had appointed in various local assemblies. Why do we find zero hint in any of the writings of these early Christians about a rapture?
4. So it was a metaphysical, spiritual teleportation instead? 🤣 A rapture is a thoroughly dispensational invention. Christians weren't just in Pella in 70AD; they were dispersed throughout the entire Roman world. It would have been the biggest conspiracy ever hashed by humanity (maybe beyond the ridiculous flat earth idea) to quash any secular reference to Christians miraculously disappearing. Jesus' rhetorical question in Luke 18:8 regarding a lack of faith was in reference to "the land" and not to the oikoumene or kosmos. There was faith outside the land. By the time the Romans sacked Jerusalem, there was no faith "in the land" (Jerusalem) because the Christians obeyed Christ's words on fled to Pella and elsewhere. The Christians outside the land had no need of going anywhere. You're arguing from silence that a rapture occurred, so I will argue from an even louder silence: there's zero historical record from anyone about a miraculous disappearance of a group of people spread all throughout the largest and most dominant empire that had ever existed in the world up until that point.
I recognize the scarcity of very early preterist writings (as far as have been translated) but your position is far more embarrassing than mine.
In Hebrews 9:28 I suggest that after "Him", the pronoun "he" refers to "those" individuals who eagerly wait, for righteousness and salvation as righteousness is judicial approval.
In Hebrew 9:28, where it says he shall appear the second time unto Salvation its referring to the Second time in the lifetime of the first century of the Saints during that particular time.
The book of Hebrews was written between 66ad-70ad before the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. The Temple that was standing had to be destroyed to bring in the fullness of the Redemptive work of Jesus Christ.
And then the Bible says that Jesus entered into the holy place in heaven for us once and for all in the first century, not 2000 years into the future.
Those Saints that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus they were married to the bridegroom because they went straight into heaven after they were martyred they were all given White Robes.
The Old Testament Saints were the Saints that were asleep in Jesus in Abraham's bosom waiting for the coming of the Messiah to fulfill all things and the Bible says that after the resurrection of Jesus Christ that the graves opened up.
Now I don't see how you can get around this not being Jesus leading captivity captive These Old Testament Saints were the first fruit unto God and the Lamb
Sometimes, deep theological Eschatology can be a little too much and then ignore the spiritual significance
Also Hades should not even be an option because Hades represents the Greek under world of the Greek God's but there is only one God
Amen 🙏
Hades but it’s the grave. It’s not a conscience existence. The dead are dead until the resurrection
To be absent from the body is to be with the Lord. So is Christ on His throne or in Hades? When Christ rose from the grave the dead rose and walked into the town and we're seen by many. The age to come was at resurrection.
And the law of Moses would still be in effect per Matthew 5:18.
What did a Israelites have to do to be in the Kingdom after their ancestors entered the promise land. After Jericho. For us after revelation was completed.
Zack, consider this: If by one man (Adam), sin entered the world and brought death upon all (what is this "death"?), and by one man (Jesus), death was defeated-yet not all are saved from this death-doesn’t that make it seem as though Adam’s sin is greater than Christ’s victory?
You are quoting from the shadow of wilderness wanding think on that.
Love your thoughts, brother..
No because being in Adam wasn’t universal it was covenantal
@@zachdavis3882This isn't true, because every human on earth is a descendant of Adam and Eve. All are separated from the Almighty, but baptism means we are no longer separate. Yashua defeated spiritual death "separation from YAH" and physical death. And provided a way for us to enter into the throne room of the Almighty.
No one had to believe in Adam’s act of disobedience to suffer the death it brought-everyone was affected automatically. But to receive the gift of life through Christ, belief is required. Doesn’t this seem like we might be missing something? From this perspective, it almost appears that Adam’s action had a greater impact than Christ’s.
Could it be that our understanding of Christ’s gift is incomplete or limited? If His grace is truly abundant and His victory greater than Adam’s fall, shouldn’t its reach and effect surpass the consequences of Adam’s offense without requiring belief as a condition?
However, this belief seems more about our understanding of the great tribulation that came upon that generation. It points to God’s judgment and the fulfillment of His promises during that time. But now, God is once again reigning.
I also hold the understanding that Jesus came to defeat our true enemy and take away the consequences of their power over us. His victory ensures that the consequences of sin and death no longer define humanity, and His reign brings restoration and hope.
But religious thinking today often mirrors the mindset of the Israelites, scribes, and Pharisees. Instead of embracing God’s law of love, which calls us to love our fellow man as God has loved us, many have turned worship into rigid rules and exclusivity. True worship is shown through love-when we love others as God loved us, we demonstrate our love for Him.
God’s Kingdom encompasses all of creation, yet religion has often reduced it to a few select people, much like the Israelites. They were meant to be a city of peace, a light to the nations, but their thinking and ways turned it inward, claiming it only for themselves. This is a reminder for us not to repeat their mistakes but to embrace the fullness of God’s Kingdom and the inclusiveness of His love.
Hope this makes sense, if only the world new they were saved. What a different world we would have but we keep the burden of sin over each others heads.
Adam, was covenantal, please elaborate.
@@zachdavis3882so where is Adam today?
Do christian die? I say no because in the Bible, John 11:25 says, "I am the resurrection and the life; whoever believes in me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die", "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent" is a verse from the Bible, John 17:3, Eternal life is knowing him. Your thoughts?
Death has been swallowed up in victory. It was thrown into the lake of fire when the ministry of death (law of Moses) had ended. That’s why Paul says things like being dead to sin but alive unto God because he was no longer living under the law of sin & death despite it still being around technically. There is no law against us today to condemn us, only the man made laws Christianity has convinced people they are still under. Christianity today is basically an RPG of the 1st century because they refuse to take no other mindset than the mindset the writers had at the time they wrote their letters. They would call that “altering the bible” so they are in a permanent 1st century mindset for fear of going against the scriptures.
You are correct about the saved going to heaven now. When I was saved, I passed from death unto life. When I die, I will pass from life unto life.
But, you are wrong about their salvation before Christ's appearing.
Gal 5:5. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
They were not waiting for righteousness. They were waiting "for the hope of righteousness". The hope of righteousness for them back then was the same hope of righteousness for us today. It was/is the hope of Rom 8 redemption.
11. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
They couldn't experience heaven with Jesus until his appearing. We get to experience it as soon as we die.
Also, 2 Cor 5 is about receiving our glorious body after death. It's not your corporate body. Heaven is the final reward for God's people.
Fantastic!
Zack, love you brother but not quite understanding I said adam not abraham. What covenant did adam have. By one man death was brought into the world. By one man death was defeated. But we still have death physical. The death spoken was always spiritual from my perspective.
2 corin 5 is absolutely talking about our physical bodies and new heavenly bodies we get when we die!
2 Corinthians 5:1-3 (nlt)
New Bodies
1For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands. 2We grow weary in our present bodies, and we long to put on our heavenly bodies like new clothing. 3For we will put on heavenly bodies; we will not be spirits without bodies.
1 corin 15:40
King James Bible
There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
its israel that gets their sins washed away at the times of refreshing not the body of Christ we are justified from all things at belief in the death burial and resurrection !
Acts 13:38-39
38Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses
Then who were those in Matt. 27:52,53?
May I offer a suggestion. In Jeremiah 8, God refers to the to the corrupt leaders in Jerusalem as being bones in tombs, meaning they had not been atoned for and are under the curse(land is unclean), and would receive that promise of destruction. In Matt 23:27-28 the leaders there are called white washed tombs. When Jesus’s death occurred, the curse would be lifted from the land, and the corrupt leadership no longer would have the authority over the people. Many who were washed by John’s Bapitsm and Jesus’s Baptism, before the Holy Spirit, are no longer under that authority. I believe it is an expression that says these people are now freed from the corrupt leadership, and would not come under the curse that was prophesied to. It’s the best I’ve come up with regarding the language and situation.
Colossians 2:15. He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.
It’s the situation reversed from Jeremiah 8 I believe. Plus it is being written after the fact so I def believe it is recounting the effect the cross had upon The people of Jerusalem at the time, whether the people may have known it or not.
@@duaneking273 Matt. 27:52 says many bodies of the saints which slept arose.There is no reference to leaders like your stating in Matt. 23:27,28. I do not see metaphorical language here in Matt. 27:52,53. This event happened when the veil was rent and Christ's resurrection. Verse 54 says centurions witnessed these things. Neither Mark, Luke or John mention this in their writings. Very thought provoking.
@@Bradleymarlin-e7w Yeah my interpretation may be wrong, but I just try to see similarities in language regarding an unclean people walking amongst bad teachers, pollute the land and make them dry bones for they have not been atoned for yet, until God poured His wrath out on the flesh. Jeremiah 7 would give a good description of what was happening in that same day too. Walking in the tombs could easily mean people being unclean amongst bad teachers. Paul also says living people should wake out of their sleep in Romans 13:11. So just trying to apply OT situations regarding people not being atoned for, walking amongst teaching that kills, with similar language that has been used other places. Who knows though. For me it makes more sense than a multitude of Zombies walking in the streets. I could easily be wrong though.
Just like Ezekiel 37 and the dry bones. It simply means they were unclean and had not had the proper animal atonement/covering yet to restore the to a clean position before God, which he does for them in Zechariah 3. Jesus in Matt 27 atoned for the flesh at the moment bringing dry bones back to life. Again just connections that make more sense possibly regarding atonement language
The Lord says to my lord: “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”
When did Messiah's reign begin? Was it when He sat on the throne at the Father's right hand, or was it when His enemies were made HIs footstool.
because Jesus sat on His throne when He ascended to the Father, His Messianic age/reign began at His ascension.
I have argued this point before because the perfect came and we are saved. I do still think there is judgement though.
There is no judgement. Sinners are condemned already. John 3. There is no need for a judgement. It already took place.
At the second coming the dead in Christ will rise (from sheol). No one descends from heaven. Christ specifically told us in John 3:13 that no one has ascended to heaven except him who descended.
What is your evidence that God changed where believers go when they die? It was sheol and always has been. The definition of sheol is that it's the holding place for all the souls of men, righteous and unrighteous as described in Luke 16:19.
Please cite the text that confirms to you that we go to heaven when we die.
Revelation 11
19 Then God’s temple in heaven was opened,
The temple was opened before this, but then it was closed during the wrath of God, and was not opened agian until God's wrath was complete. Jesus explained how the door would be shut in Matthew 25
Matthew 25
“At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of them were foolish and five were wise. 3 The foolish ones took their lamps but did not take any oil with them. 4 The wise ones, however, took oil in jars along with their lamps. 5 The bridegroom was a long time in coming, and they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6 “At midnight the cry rang out: ‘Here’s the bridegroom! Come out to meet him!’
7 “Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil; our lamps are going out.’
9 “‘No,’ they replied, ‘there may not be enough for both us and you. Instead, go to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’
10 “But while they were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
11 “Later the others also came. ‘Lord, Lord,’ they said, ‘open the door for us!’
12 “But he replied, ‘Truly I tell you, I don’t know you.’
13 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour.
The temple is the church of Christ, and it was manifested on the earth on Pentecost when Christ came His second time, to dwell in believers and save them from their sins.
Hebrews 9:28 is about Christ coming as the HS.
think about this.
To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
who is Christ appearing to in this verse? It is to those who are waiting on Him, which is the same as saying those who love Him.
Christ is not appearing to those who are waiting for Him in His 70 AD appearing!
They are appearing with Him. If they are appearing with Him then He cannot be appearing to them.
Colossians 3:4
When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.
There is the contradiction.
Christ cannot be appearing to those who are appearing with Him when He makes His appearing.
so what appearing of Christ is Hebrews 9:28 referring to?
This one
John 14
21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”
and John 14 did not take place for them in 70 AD, it is fulfilled when the Comforter/Holy Spirit comes to a person...
18 I will not leave you comfortless; I will come to you.
The salvation that came in 70 AD was the fist century church's salvation from their persecutors that was promised in Luke 1:70-, and that salvation has nothing to do with the salvation from sin that the second appearing of Christ's brings to those who obey Him and wait on Him.
2 timothy 1
9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began, 10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,
what appearing is the appearing of the Christ who has abolished death? IT was not His fist appearing that abolished death and saved Paul and Timothy from sin. It was His second appearing as the HS that saved them from sin.
notice Paul says that both himself and Timothy are saved from sin already, this is not something they are waiting to take place, they are already called to walk in the holiness they have received from Christ. If they were still dead in sin then they could not be required to walk in holiness.
God excepts no mans person therefore you can only conclude that God excepts no mans religion…Isreal is in unbelief.
Christ,the end of the law to those who believ.
Paul the only gospel by which you can be saved…by grace tru faith plus nothing…
Christ died for my sins in 33ad…i was not born till 1965…christ died for my sins…according to the scripture.
Bingo
Amen
No. Christ remains the only human that has gone to heaven. Well, John was given visions of the future second heaven, Paul was taken, time traveled, to the third, about which he was forbidden to speak of, and was given a thorn till death did he part, to keep him humbled by this experience.
Yeah yeah, everyone wants to go to heaven. Like everyone wants to win the lottery. Sad. In Gid's time, people. Do you really want to go to heaven in YOUR time? OK, then, not His but YOUR will be done. Going to Sheol Hades is the big sleep, the big nonconscious sleep. The moment you die to the moment He rouses you is an instant to your conscious mind, tho it be 5000 years. And many will be judged and then go to the lake of fire, not to burn forever, but simply to die again, a second big sleep. Not to worry too much. In the end, at the consummation, our Lord abolishes the last enemy, death, and all are vivified, give life beyond death.
So, after this third wicked eon, two more good eons to go. The 1000 years, at the end of when Satan is loosed and the apostasy is greater than ever. Why is Satan loosed? To prove the sovereignty of God. It ain't Hanes to I say it's Hanes. Meaning, your heart ain't changed till and unless HE changes your heart.
Then the long fifth eon of the eons, some say 20,000 years, the new heaven and earth where death is no more (except those who died the second death, and when the Father Himself dwells with us on earth.
Until or unless you get the big truth of the eons you will be lost. Concordant Literal is your best bet hands down. God is love and has no fellowship with eternal punishment. The latter is Satan having fellowship with bible translators. Such fellowship has been wildly successful.
How is it the second coming and not the third?
His birth was the first coming - good
His death/rising was the second - bad
Death to evil/return to good will be the 3rd coming
God excepts no mans person therefore you can only conclude that God excepts no mans religion…Isreal is in unbelief.