ALCO - EMD sound battle. Who's got your vote? -(long version)
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- We are at Foleyet, Ontario on September 24, 1995 as a east bound CN train comes in for a crew change. Listen to the to beautiful sound of these two locomotives as they come in, and when they leave. The Alco (MLW) has my vote. It sounds spectacular, but then again, I am an Alco fan. Just some info on the HR-616. There was only 20 HR616 built. They where built in 1982, and retired early 1990's. The HR stood for high reliability, which they where not. Lots of electrical problems. The 616 was for 6 axles, 16 cylinder. Some where scraped, some went to NRE in Illinois. I can find nothing about them on their site. So who knows where they are now. Thanks for watching. Jackmp294.5...
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As a Indian, I love ALCO
I have so many memories with ALCO😇...
EMD sounds awsome, powerful and smooth. Alco are also nice. The mix of the two is great.
The EMD is too consistent and well operating. As a jazz musician in the low brass sometimes you have to rip the notes. This MLW has shown that smoke and that classic Alco sound are appreciated. The closest we have today is a chugging GE, but unless if you blow the turbo this will be a memory long gone. You just have to love Alcos.
too bad.
Very well put. Alco’s are fascinating cause they’re brash, moody and raw, not to mention totally unpredictable. They sound different under different operating conditions and that smoke is just beautiful. Coolest locos in my opinion
plenty of alcos running around the world, especially in India
Alco Man!
I am fond of EMD too,but the Alco sounds inspiring!
(Chanting) ALCo! ALCo! ALCo!
A 645 and a 16-251F! Two of the greatest sounds, working together!!!!!
This is the best!
I love the HR616!
The sound of that MLW screams "perfection." Nice video, Jack!
Alco all the way.
I’m a GM guy but always Alco, there is something about the sound of the Alco that is so incredible. I wish they were still around instead of GE.
We have a 12-251F generator at a mine and it is an awesome engine. 😊
Alco #1 for sure. The HR616 is my all time favorite locomotive, followed by the C636. Next for me is the GE AC6000, love the sound of the 4 cycle. After that, would be the SD90MAC.
Too bad all my favorites were plagued with problems. Now I feel sad.
I agree 100% Don. Sure wish they got those issues fixed. Thanks for watching...
Bombardier was actually going to build an 18 cylinder HR618 with the 251 series prime mover. I believe that Fairbanks Morse of all companies would you believe have the rights to manufacture the 251 series prime mover. I believe they still offer the 18 cylinder version. I believe they also still make the opposed piston prime mover. The 251 series engine actually was very reliable and has been utilized in India to this day. My favorite Alco would be the C855. I would have loved to seen them in Action. The space shuttle transporter is basically a C855 with 2 251 series 16 cylinder engines.
ALCO: THOPTHOPTHOPTHOP
EMD: ZINGZINGZINGZING
GE: CHUGCHUGCHUGCHUG
RailfanTube Well said!
ALCO all day.
ALCO- "Wanna move that Chevy outta my way? I've got work to do!"
I remember the Alco RS 3s struggling to bring the CP "Starlight freight" up the grade into TH&B Aberdeen Yard every night around midnight. The years 1958/1959. The Engineers name was Jasper. He never needed an assist to help him in. He did it with those Alcos pulling their hearts out.
A turbocharged EMD purrs like a kitten. An ALCO sounds like a kitten coughing up a hair ball. 😂
ALCO all the way. The 251 engine is still being produced by Fairbanks Morse, which stopped building locomotives 11 years before ALCO went out of business and 27 years before MLW was closed.
Some of The Remaining HR616's were sent to NRE to be rebuilt with a different engine and reused as a purge fleet but that never happened
Is it just me or does an Alco sound exactly like a GE locomotive? Chug Chug Chug? Love it
EMD 16-645E3 vs ALCO 16-251F hmm...hard to decide they both sound great but I just LOVE the sound of that ALCO!!! 5 stars
i have to go with the ALCO on this one, that beautiful engine is a little bit louder than the EMD
OOOhhhh....YES YES....I love that sound...Great video...I like it wery wery much. I think i`m the biggest ALCO fan here in Denmark...I would like to wish we ALCO,s here in Denmark. I´m som glad to see your fantastic ALCO videoes. I rate it with 5 stars. Thanks wery much.
EMD all the way for me baby.
I’ll have to vote for that beautiful EMD 645. It’s so perfect and smooth, and I could listen to that engine notch up and down all day. However, I do like that alco chugging sound, and when I film a p42 leaving a station, it kind of reminds me of the Alcos
Although I like how the EMD sounds when it picks up RPMs, I personally like the purr of the ALCO.
What a great comparison study.
ALCO!!!!!
(but I have a confession...even though I'm an "ALCOhaulic", I really do love the moaning whine of an EMD. Don't tell anyone.)
Normally EMD, but the ALCO has a distinctive sound that i absolutely love so that one gets my vote.
I love the chubbing sound of ALcos❤️🔊
Why one or the other?
i"ll have both ....
I agree 100%. Thanks for watching...
Yeah I like the sound of them together.
Love them both ,each one has their own signature sound,would be nice with gp38-2 in the mix they also stand out since they are naturally aspirated 2stoke with the blower 645 engine
2 stroke diesels can't run natually aspirated, the roots blower is forced induction but I agree a GP38-2 in the mix would have been nice. I love the bark of a blown 645
Awesome video as usual Jack....I'm an EMD guy but an ALCO trumps everything!!! Excellent sound...and i'll just add GE's suck, I know you didn't ask but I have to throw that in whenever I get a chance LOL, Craig
the turbo whining on the SD40 at start up is great,but the sound of that 251 on the ALCo-MLW its just fantastic,music to my ears,and the smoke is a big plus......awesome video man
I too am an ALCOholic. For sheer volume of sound you can't beat the Alco/MLW 4 stroke. But for Turbo sound the EMD wins. One of the things besides sound I like with Alco/MLW is the "turbo lag" which creates a lot of smoke as the throttle is opened up. Where as the EMD with its 2 stroke & turbosupercharger is quicker on the "boost" due to direct drive off the cam shaft therefore elliminating "turbo lag" with little or no smoke.
@FedskaTheOne, And its a Z28 no less. ONE VOTE FOR THE CAMARO. Its more than likely pretty new in this ahot. Thanks for watching...
The EMD sounds so smooth and powerfull so i'll have to go with that. However the ALCO sounds great mixed in with it.
I can only imagine the sound of an ABA set of alco c855s for the UP. Six 16 cylinder Thrashers or the equivalent of 3 space shuttle crawler transporters all at once as 16,500 h.p. and enough torque to propel supertankers or pull out the earth's core!!
Alco-Haul-ics all the way !!!! : D
Alco's 4-cycle sound is just the Best and Pull anything !!
Come up to NY and PA and Experience the "Delaware-Lackawanna", "Western New York & Pennsylvannia" and the "Livonia, Avon & Lakeville" and find out !!
It's The Great Alco Show in the Northeast !!! : )
You got that right Ronnie!!! Can't get enough of that music. The best I ever heard, and I wished I recorded it. We was back 81 miles in the wilderness on the Cartier camping for a few nights. It was so quiet, you could hear a train coming and going for an hour. It was fantastic, snugged up in the sleeping bag listening to them notching them up and down, and in dynamics at times. What was so great now! I can go up to the WNY&P and get the same units I shot and listened to 20 years ago. Amazing. Thanks for watching...
@@1jackdk Lol I Love it, Snugged in the sleeping bag listening to 251 sounds !! Lol
Now there is a product idea for Railfans !! Some people listen to water sounds to help them sleep ! Alco sounds for the Railfan !!! : D Lol
the sound of the alco's is the very same reason i like allot of older GEs. i dont know why, i just love that chugging sound *with 2 of them* beating in rhythm at notch 5. though at notch 8 they kinda sound like steam engines, lol
Can't vote - love 'em both. Thanks for the video!
Great capture. My vote goes to ALCo
Not sure that ANY of the MLW cowled units ever got to the A&M John. Whatever 6 axle units they had, they got rid of, and the WNY&P picked them up. Thanks for watching...
I like the sound of the EMD, but I think ALCO wins this one.
I agree!!! That Alco sounds good on the pull. Thanks for watching...
I love the EMD sound. The chugging volcanic erupting smoking alco's are fun to watch, but nothing sounds as music to my ears as EMD blower sound. And EMD's start up in 2 seconds. Alco's start up sooo slowly chugging "i think i can start, i think i can start..."hahaha. Great video
Thanks Joe, glad you enjoyed it. I agree, and thanks for watching...
A customer of mine Don H. from Hornepayne is an engineer on the top line there. Who knows, he might have been driving that EMD out front. Here is Don in fine fashion chewin out a young smartass...haha
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Love railfanning at Foleyet. One of my favorite out of the way locations. Westbounds flying at 60mph. Eastbounds notch 8 climbing the hill into and out of town.
That sure is a neat place. I would like to get back in there someday again. Thanks for watching...
they both sound good...but I do love the sound of EMD...i will never forget the days when the local RR had gp7s n 9s...n i got to ride with them a BUNCH.....O what memories!!!
I was an engineer for 36 years,PC Conrail,ATSF(Santa Feces)AMT,Metrolink,VRE. I ran hundreds of SD40-2",nothing beat them.I ran a lot of early ALCo's,mostly RS11's.ALCo's were rugged machines, never had one that quit on me.Never understood why ALCo stayed with GE for its electrics, why they couldn't find another supplier.Very shortsighted.
Alco could still be around if they made the right choices. Thanks for watching...
The beautiful sound of an Alco engine , is just unique !! :X
That ALCO is predominant as the winner. Outstanding sounds from that ALCO!!!
Emd has a 2 stroke engine,,,,,with exhaust valves,,,,,and Alco,,,4 strokes,, 2 strokes,,,accelerates better than 4 strokes,,,less friction,,,logic,,,but Alco"s charger,,,i insist are bad,,,Don"t operate correct at low rpm with middle or full throttle,,,and some Cylinders at low rpm fails,,,,see the smoke,,,is alternatine,,,not continuous,,,bue Alco when the engine gain in rpm,,,,no more smoke,,,because the charger works correctly,,,, the EMd hasn"t this problems,,,accelerate with a little quantity of smoke at full throttle at low rpm. But,,,,,i"m Alco"s fan. his imperfect noise fascinates me.
Nice video, ALCo ofcourse
I find myself doing the same thing Triplex! Just can't get enough of the sound of these two together! The GE's use an FDL engine. The early GE's sound better than the new ones. That was before they put the silencers on the exhaust to quiet them down a bit. Those ne GE Gevos sound pretty good, and got a nice bark to them. But I still like the mushy sound of the ALCO chug. Thanks for watching...
Nothing comes close to the chugging sound that Alcos make!
Amen brother. I could listen to that all day. Thanks for watching...
@DrAlco Thanks so much DrAlco. Glad you enjoyed the Alco videos from here in the states, which I have plenty of on my page. Take care, Jack...
@fnm9908 I agree 100%. Can't get enough of the Alco music. Thanks for watching...
i like the alco the chugging and rumbling sound of a big v12 or a v16 4 stroke diesel engine with a lot of power and grunt
That does sounds amazing.....kinda reminds me of the sound the GE Dash 9's make....only much more pronounced!
Alco's all the way, btw google WDM 2 locos in India, they sound exactly the same (which are all Alco designs, WDM1, wdm2, wdm3 and wdg3 series)
Both have great sounds. But with ALCO you get a sound and sight show. I'm an EMD guy but when there's ALCO's around, they take the cake.
ALCo over EMD,Baldwin over EMD, I am a big fan of all the switching engines from the S1 ALCo to the EMD MP15.
@csxketh1 YOU ARE THE MAN!!!! Thanks for watching. Jackmp294
I like the sound of any EMD over anything with a four-cycle engine. I'm definitely a hardcore fan of the two-stroke, and the turbo chargers on EMD give a nice whine. But I do miss the ALCO's in service. Thanks for sharing.
Alco has my vote!
i like the emd but i think thats what a locomotive shoud sound like chug chug chug my vote is alco & ge+
I love both!
If the HR-616 counts as an ALCO... 616!!! 616!!!
@Deathcult82 They do sound fantastic Bill, and here in the states, you have to drive long distances to find these old girls in service. Thanks for watching. Jack
Personally for me I'm an EMD SD40-2 man.The Alcos always sounded like they were dropping a cylinder...LOL One day I was over just east of Keele and an Alco was headed for MacMillan I swear it was a Steamer coming and and so surprised too see it was an Alco as i had never heard one before.That was back in the mid 80's.
I know exactly where the majority of the HR-616s are now, they’re now in storage at NRE in Silvis, IL.
I hope there is a plan for those. But they have been sitting there in Illinois for a long time now. Thanks for watching...
I've never quite gotten the "Alco thing." There are BNSF GEs running by the house ad infinitum and they sound like toned-down Alcos which they are in effect I guess with the 4-stroke/cycle. I call it chattering. I grew up on Soo Line SD40-2's when they were new and I could still listen to a smooth thrumming EMD 645 turbo all day.
Alco it is! 🚂
Chugachugachugachuga.
MLW = love
YES YES YES!!!
@canadiantimberwolf1 I got a video a Cartier M636 up in Quebec. I know what you mean about a steamer. A s/b loaded log train passed with a single unit. To hear it coming down the valley, you would swear it was a steam locomotive. Just Fantastic. Thanks for watching. Take care...
ALCO all day long!
Amen brother! You are da-man! Thanks for watching...
Your welcome. I enjoy watching a lot of your videos. I wish I could see some alcos in person but I don't think there are any near me.
I mean, Ilove them both, so I voted both of them.
sounds like the John Deere of locomotives! i am partial to EMD but the old ALCO sounds great too! reminds me of an old 2 cylinder John Deere Tractor!
@1jackdk No problem!! I'm a big ALCo fan and I want to go see some in action but don't have the time to go to New York where some are lol. I do want to purchase a model of one and add a sound decoder eventually! Truly an amazing locomotive (and video)
@csxketh1 The new Soundtraxx Tsunami is great. Saw a few clips of them on youtube. I would like to get a few for my Penn Cental C628's and c630. They would sound good pulling my G39 ore care. Glad you enjoyed the video...
ALCo's better sounding than any GE...
But, because I'm an EMD fan, I still had EMD as my fav one
EMD is the winner !
The purists will kill me, but I'm a sucker for 4 strokes. Love Baldwins, ALCOs, and GEs.
I agree 100%. Love the sound of 4 strokes. Thanks for watching...
I like the sound of an EMD over an ALCO but ALCOs put on better smoke shows!
Alco 16-251F gets my vote.
I was referring to the MLW 6 axle HR's. There are at least 3 of them running on the A&M.
Alco hands down....
I just keep watching this video over and over! Just love to listen to that ALCO, but ofc I like EMD too! I have a question about GE locomotives. I've watched videos of some GE's U-boats and they sound like ALCO, but today's modern GE locomotives sound different. What kind of engines do GE's use???
I love the sound of an Alco and I love the sound of an F Unit.
Oh yah! I would agree with that Dave. Thanks for watching...
ALCO
YES!!!! To be SURE.
Vote for CN Chugging sound
Alco all the way!!!!!!
Ok the EMD 645 prime movers sound smooth and are practically the gigachads of the rails…..but the alco chugging sound paired with their amazing smoke shows kinda beats EMD.
The Draper Taper ALCO has it hands down!
check out the'put put ' at 00:52
I want to hear a battle between an Alco and an English Electric SVT or CVST engine. And a battle between one or both of those two and a Sulzer Twin Six 12LDA engine.
ALCO ALCO ALCO!!!!!!!
There isn't anything to vote about. The ALCo wins!
Alco....
Ohhh yahhh! Gotta love it. Thanks for watching...
They both get my vote!
ALCO: THOPTHOPTHOPTHOPTHOPTHOPTHOP
EMD: I can't spell the sound an EMD makes, sorry. LOL
ALCO!!!
👌👌👌👌
Love it - a washing machine propelled by a real engine.