Andrew Bacevich: Ukraine is Paying the Price for the U.S. “Recklessly” Pushing NATO Expansion
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- Опубликовано: 10 мар 2022
- What role did the United States play in creating conditions for Russia's invasion of Ukraine, and what will it take to end the war? The U.S. invasion of Iraq, which saw no repercussions for the Bush administration despite breaching international humanitarian law, coupled with Cold War-era policies and NATO's eastward expansion, incited Putin's aggressions towards Ukraine, says retired colonel Andrew Bacevich, president and co-founder of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft. "American decision makers acted impetuously, and indeed recklessly, and now we're facing the consequences," says Bacevich.
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Iraq was an illegal war. Where is the compassion for the victims.
Iraq made the mistake of spending close to a decade pissing off every country it could.
Not to mention acting guilty when they were accused of having WMD
Do not fit the usa narrative of freedom and liberty
They don't matter unless the USA can use them for their benefit.
There is only empathy when its benefits specific political agendas. The Media will only use the stories that play into their narratives. Civilians dying from bombs dropping from USA bombers is not the story that serves their political interests.
Journalism 101, 90% of bias comes from what you choose to report.
@@maxfactor4209 ya not true..more than half the population is whiter than parts of Europe.. Persians..old ottoman empire whites. That's besides the point though isn't it..you mean they are not Judeo-Christian Europeans. Ba'ath party system with a construction based on Mussolini's fascist union.
The US can always find money for war. But healthcare for all and solving the homeless. Just can’t afford it. Strange times we live in.
Also, Ukraine is a Neo-N*Zi nation from top to bottom, including thier current military...
I know
I agree
Also, No money for education.
We need to fix our own problem. I’m in LA. It breaks my heart when there’s so many homeless and people suffering here, I am sad
What role the USA play in the Russo-Ukraine War? The US is fully responsible for it 100%. Without the instigations to Ukraine to provoke Russia, there would be no war. And every war that the USA has been involved in since WW2, is instigated and stated by the USA.
What a fucked up world view.
"USA instigated WW2" M'hmm, sure if you think so.
No facts,ZERO, to back it up. nNATO expansion was off the table when Putin attacked
None of Eastern European members have any OFFENSIVE capabilities, so your whole point is just recycliyo Russian baseless claims
@@davidreidenberg9941 You failed to face reality. Vulgarity and idiocy don't prove you right.
But according to Putin, "Ukraine is a fake country. Russians are restoring rightfully Russian lands."
It was also extremely reckless to normalize, arm and train Neo Nazis, to send them to quell riots among Russian speaking people. You might have well sent in a kkk militia to disperse the BLM protests.
Then denying the accusations of heinous acts, and defending the nazis, and professing their innocence for 8 long years was incredibly dumb.
"Brutal invasion"??? Have you forgotten the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya? What a short memory.
oh, so it's okay then!
@@FlanaFugue seems to be the third grade level morality employed by many commenters here.
They pretended to forget
USA is evil that hates competitors
@@FlanaFugue yes
America: 'We can't afford national healthcare'
Also America: 'We CAN afford trillions of bucks on a war'
No money for Americans during the virus from China but they had no problem coughing up this money !
These Fckers know how to spend billions of dollars to Ukraine conflict but they can’t pass the BBB bill? Democrats are just as useless as the republicans and we really need vote for third party.
@@m4aus445 i am still hard to belive that usa have only 2 party how sick is that... like half tutolitarian regime but worst...
Russia: we can't hack it as a modern democracy and economy.
Also Russia: Let's drag Russia back to the 19th century Tsarist-Empire topped off with 20th century White Russian fascism and sell fossil fuels, arms and mercenaries abroad since we have nothing else to sell so that Putin can stash away 100s of billions and indulge anti-liberal Orthodox-Authoritarian fantasies..
@@markacohen1 USA is a joke
“modern armies know how to use force in a controlled and purposeful way” - did US army behaved like one in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam?
When they fail it's not called a crime but "collateral damage".
im surprised Democracy Now is giving multiple sides of this a voice unlike the mainstream shills. I really respect this network!
Happening because when you let the oligarchs and global elites run the show, they always push the envelope and plunder from the public trough. You will never be safe when powerful commercial interests emerge and co-opt the powers of regulatory agencies and eventually pervert the public interest. The "globalists" must be checked by any means necessary.
Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Yemen, Somali, Libya, Syria, Vietnam
Yoguslavia
...Nicaragua, Chile, Bolivia, Guatemala, Panama, Korea, ...
And almost every other country in the past 100 years
The senate wastes no time coughing up $$$ for war but slow when for the American people.
That was my immediate thought. We have to get corporate money out of politics .
So much for the "Grassroots GQP Takeover" 'Draining the Swamp' huh?
I just post that same thing on my page. Wouldn't it great if presidents of this country cared about "We The People" and move Swiftly to our aid like they do every country, everywhere else?
Not only that, they doubled the amount of aid while telling you that to be an "ally" you need to suck it up and pay whatever the price of gas and all other related goods. Apparently you won't be considered supportive of the cause if you're not going bankrupt in the process. It's good to see DN finally dipping their toe into the other side of this mess.
@@deniserylander5198 how can Biden do sh¡t when his own Senators are voting against the aid? Every single GOP will either filibuster, or vote against. Dems are ineffective; Republicans are evil. Those are our choices, we’re screwed.
Some people in US are laughing all the way to the banks.
12:30 Amy you did a good job of pulling in Zelinsky‘s views were completely compatible with a reasonable settlement on all issues. He recognized the concerns: he recognized the NATO issue, he recognized the recognition of the two republics issue, and he said he was ready to talk about them. The Russians were very positive after that discussion. That’s when they said they were withdrawing from Kiev in good faith move.
But That is when they pulled out and then three days later Boucha happened, and it was blamed on Russia. Zelensky then said that he did not wanna have any peace talks anymore - they would only go for a complete victory, more or less. As I recollect, he specifically said that they wanted a cease-fire and they wouldn’t go settle until all Russian troops are outside of the country. That was a preposterous proposal and would kill any deal on the Russian side. This is why we are now in this position where it looks like there will be an endless stalemate and this war will go on for years and the Ukrainians will keep dying and the Russians will keep building more hyper sonic cruise missiles and keep firing them with even more and more precision every day. And they’ll try to stop all shipments in of arms from nato and this could easily lead to World War III.
But I think “democracy now” could really be helpful if it did a thorough review of the Bucha killings. If Ukraine would be pressured to realize that it was their fault -specifically apparently of the azov batallion when it went in to clean out saboteurs - they posted this mission on their national guard page where azov claimed that the Russian troops were dressing as civilians, but they had to clean them out. That took three days for them to do. At the end of that three days we see the bodies in the street where several had white armbands, and a couple others had white armbands tying your hands behind their backs and they were shot in the head.
We now know that within Ukraine, a white armband was to signify to Russian occupying forces that you were not an adversary. So it appears Ukrainian forces - apparently azov - killed these people as presumed saboteurs and collaborators. Maybe they were, and maybe this is just. But instead of justifying the killings by themselves, it ended up that Russia was blamed for all of this in the West, no one knows how that started. But it was a convenient way to dive bomb the settlement talks
Definitely ukraine's doing to discredit russian soldiers.. 100% sure
Whatever stooge. Enjoy your roubles.
Damn the US is literally involved in every single war 😵💫
The USA causes all the wars
@@raydanieliv3195 💯
Chief instigator.
We all have to deliver ourselves from this mighty Demon called America. We can know no meaningful prosperity if America remains the number 1 military and economic power in the World.
B.s america tried to stay out but countries and news agencies all over the world pressured us to make a move to help Ukraine.europe should be happy we are putting up most of the bill to protect their ass
Tell all those civilians we killed in Afghanistan by accident how modern and "surgical" the military of the USA is in carrying out war.
Lol exactly what I was thinking. I don’t know if this guy is willfully blind or just lying through his teeth
American atrocities in Iraq & Afghanistan were absolute crimes covered up by an out-of-control drone strike force. They’ve never been held accountable. Just bc US is guilty of war crimes, we should go ahead & let Putin have his turn?
Agreed
To be fair, drones were new to the strategies and Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, etc, we're basically testing ground. It's gotten better since then.
By "better", I, of course, mean that we only kill the wrong people and innocent kids once a month or so, not every day.
@@vallee7966 It’s not the same because the U.S. has occupied countries because of oil and because of world domination, and Russia is just defending itself on its borders so that the flames of Russophobia don’t spill over to Moscow. The U.S. benefited greatly from its bloodthirsty wars, unlike the Russians had to accept impoverishment to protect themselves from the U.S. regime. If the rules were the same in the world, the Russians would not have to defend themselves because the United States would be sanctioned, Ukraine would be condemned for killing more than 10,000 Russian minority civilians in Ukraine for eight years, and then the Russians would not have to defend themselves because of rules for all the same.
Great job. Thank you for your courage Colonel Bacevich!! Appreciate the honest analysis
"War and violence in a controlled way??"
Insane statement...
Did the U.S. armed forces use " Controlled Violence " in Afghanistan , Iraq , Libya , and Syria ?
Any kind violence pretty much worked for them there, and there and
Yes, this guy talks the usual hypocritical American b******t.
He apparently suffers from amnesia when it comes to the amount of USA "controlled" violence inflicted on the World since World war two.
Answer
NO , didn’t
USA loss the control and the war
Yup
Controlled violence = oxymoron
Does Bacevich remembers “shock and awe” tactics of the US armed forces used against Iraq? What hypocrisy
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Shock and awe was focused on military targets. C'mon how can you people not tell the difference and crying hypocrisy!
What he ignores is the fact that the criminal US imperialism carried all the wars from 2001 to this day against defenceless peoples in central/west Asia and north Africa in alliances...while the Russians are fighting a trained and well armed army of an establishment with no suffering from embargoes of other restrictive sanctions and , most importantly , backed by all imperialist countries .
@@19174975 if you believe the US butchered civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan you are crazy. What Russia is doing in Ukraine is no comparing. Purposely bombing maternity hospitals, schools, civilian apartments. Gunning down civilians tied up etc etc..but nice try in justifying what your government is doing 👌
@@ptownzfinest12345 You go to war with the one you have. Russia has a fuck tone of artillery. What is this bullshit about waging war the proper way. The US has killed over a million Iraqis and displaced millions more.
@@ptownzfinest12345 Who told u that ?
Ur media .
What will it take for this world to come together and stop fighting. People for this world are one and should live in peace we all need each other
The same people who cut off unemployment benefits early, cringe when anyone mentioned stimulus checks, child tax credit cut off, seniors lunch program. I could go on and on. This isn't right.
Don’t forget the reason that the arms companies make an absolute fortune every time another European country joins nato. I’m sure their lobbyists got to have their say during the decision making
Yep, our democracy is a fraud and Corporate America, especially Wall Street and the defense contractors, own our government. I'm heartened to see many of the comments point out how our government has plenty of money for defense but can't find a dime for our population.
Absolutely
Are you referring to European lobbyists? Lobbyists are illegal, at least in France.
I'm it's about the US lobby
right to the point!
Compared to the US invasion of Iraq, the Russian invasion has been very limited and targeted.
Thank you your honesty and courage.
Thank you for the balanced news 🙏📰
Approving that type of amount of money to foreign government such as Ukraine whilst we in the US are suffering from paying our basic bills in this time of COVID-19 is a reckless hypocrisy. This is very sad.
Yes, elections are coming everywhere.. Take these issues straight in the poll booths. U S citizens couldn't get a bailout this fast with our own tax dollars. What about U S oil reserve into our market so gas prices won't be high.. Your right reckless hypocrisy!!
Bury the sick and care for the dead. The corrupt American government way.
@@zteia7060 exezzewszww
Plenty of money for foreign wars, but for the American people, nothing!
Anyone else seeing a pattern here?
Very intelligent point and I hope the American will stand up and rise against the government for supporting the Ukraine war rather then promoting peace ✌
I seem to recall the US using “carpet bombing” and “collateral damage”.
How about Fallujah , Haditha’s mindless violence by US army/ marines. I can understand this guy protecting him previous job and pension and pretending US army is a great army. Robert you are 💯 % correct.
According to Scot Ritter, a former Marine, we go in hard. I remember when our media bragged about "Shock and Awe".
Hey, but we do it in the name of liberty.
@@elcondedelafere8751 My country justifies everything it does. The assumption is that my country walks on the Right hand side of God dispensing truth, justice and liberty as we bomb away and kill millions of innocents. The good old. "American Exceptionalism". Sadly, much of my country believes this bullshit.
@@philipangelo595 Скотт описывает всю правду! К сожалению. Послушайте Гонсало Лира.
there are thousands and thousands of Americans people who can't afford food and even a shelter and the government don't do nothing about it.
Amy, let's start with the Russian ethnic cleansing since 2014 by Ukraine, then let's talk about neo nazi troops being trained in Ukraine, and there acts of violence against Russian citizens in Ukraine.
At this point, is it really reasonable not to support sanctions on the US & the UK for their imperialist wars, invasions & backing of autocrats around the world? Yet, despite being magnitudes worse than what Russia is doing in the Ukraine, the US & the UK do not face any signifcant sanctions. This is a huge double standard.
Hope that day will come when the US regime will face the consequences of its horrible war crimes in every war it imposed on other countries. When the days of Might is Right is over, the more civilised nations will take up this issue of US war crimes.
@@stephenlock7236 Well said, Stephen. I eagerly wait for the brainwashed US public to realize what bad deeds are being done in their name. Who knows what it will take for that to happen. Sky high energy prices might focus some minds.
Deep state in action just like trump keeps saying
@@stephenlock7236 as an American, I second this. I also want them to answer for the B'S going down on are own soil. Rigged elections etc
The invades so many countries what do they have in Ukraine so important that they spending so much of America tax payer dollars to defend there are something Russia need to find out what is hiding in the capital
This warmonger called the Russian Red Army a minor army because of indiscriminate violence?! I don't recall seeing buildings falling in Kiev as the 'muricans did in Baghdad, Belgrade, Kabul, Panama, Hanoi, etc. And, again, not a single word about ukra-nazis.
The arrogance and hypocrisy my country displays is disgusting.
Red army are fascist
Thank you Amy
Professor John Mearsheimer warned US multiple times about this scenario we now see for years, he said Ukraine would be crushed if US NATO use Ukraine as a battleground for their proxy wår against Russia.
Professor John Mearsheimer was right about everything he predicted for years, he knew what US planned.
People should see some videos from Professor John Mearsheimer, he knew what he was talking about..
Wow, Congress passed a $1.5 trillion spending bill that includes $13.6 billion for military and economic aid to Ukraine. So why can't we afford health care for all in this country?
Coz of the GOP
Find out who controls US politics and money.
Even the Turks who are not as rich as Americans their government can afford to give them free healthcare and free education but American government cannot afford that for its citizens and can still afford billions for wars? Am not American but men Americans it sounds like you guys are screwed
If the Americans know what their administration is doing outside of their country, the people of America will impeach their government.
But only 10-20% of US citizens are informed about world matters. This number is above 70% in India, also one of the highest in the world.
This makes it easy for the political elite of the US to do whatever they please outside their borders and the citizens won't ask even a single question. American youth needs to start look and read beyond what their government is doing outside their borders. Its not only important for their next gen, but also for the world.
American government loves war. The goal of these politicians is to bring tax payer money to corporations where they have high stakes as per an ex US official. The narrative to find a monster in Russia is helpful for this purpose.
Why do you think US gives 'lethal help' in Ukraine? Moneyyy... 🤑
Because your government is wicked! Isaiah 30:1-3. PHAROAH (joe Biden) shall become your shame and Egypt (corrupt government officials) your confusion!
Reminder: Afghanistan is currently one of the world humanitarian crisis right now and more Afghans are dieing from the US' complete neglect than that died during US occupation. Their whole economy was built around the US' aid and we completely withdrew it all, KNOWING millions would die. Killing by neglect is still killing and there's no other nation to blame but the United States.
Please explain to me again how Russia is more violent than the United States.
Then send aid with your own money. We're not funding a state that is governed by terrorist.
The place is just rubble, and has millions of mines ,,
@@Swankins Whether a state is governed by "terrorists" or not is just a matter of perspective. To the British, George Washington was a terrorist.
The point isn't what label is used, the point is human suffering: do we produce it or not. In the case of Afghanistan, we made them completely dependent on us and the suddenly took away everything. That's pure cruelty.
The Taliban won. But they were always going to. If we weren't cruel, there's a lot better ways to transition that don't involve mass starvation.
@@FourtyParsecs The US has TRIED to make them independent as with many other countries it has temporarily taken over. We have built up their infrastructure, army, and provided for them for over a decade. Look at Germany, Japan, the Philippines, and Korea. They all became successful countries after the US left. It is not about perspective because the whole world knows how cruel the Taliban can be if not checked. The US prefers a stable Afghanistan, but the people of Afghanistan are so divided that it is almost impossible to unify the country for the common good of the nation. Also, you have many other countries who are trying to play their interest within Afghanistan like Iran and Pakistan. In conclusion, we did not make them dependent... we tried to make them independent but they will always be dependent on someone.
@@Swankins It's funny you've mentioned Taliban. It's the US that was arming and training Taliban when Soviets were in Afghanistan. Then US spend billions of dollars and caused loss of human lives to keep Taliban in check. Brilliant.
Thanks for fair reporting
We are in today's lives not in past wars!
Strange he’s getting his info on the current war by reading media reports. The pentagon says the opposite about Russia’s military campaign thus far. On the pentagon website, they say Russia has clearly done everything in attempt to avoid civilian loss and infrastructure destruction, at huge cost to Russian soldiers. That’s a huge statement, which is completely ignored in our media. Russia could obviously “shock and awe” Ukraine if they chose to do so. It’s also been widely reported that Ukrainian military has been using civilian infrastructure as military bases, making them legitimate military targets. This breaks international war laws such that if they are going to make targets out if those areas, they have a duty to evacuate civilians from the area or otherwuse not use them. I’m not saying Russia is in the right to invade, far from it, but we should be aware of all the facts.
💯% on point ! 👍👍👍
Great point, let me add more, after Russia gave Azov fighters dead line to come out and surrender and you will live, they ignored and stayed, so Russia started bombing Azov factory today, and now video came out from Azov fighters today addressing the world leaders saying we will die in a matter of day if you dont help us, so i got a huuuuuge problem with that video, first, he said there lots of civilians with them under the ground, question ? how in the hell you military personal have lots of civilians with you ?? you r the direct target and you have civilians with you ?? why didt you send out a video saying before you hit the factory please evacuate the civilians and you did not let them go ?? second huuuuge problem with this video, that Pussy did not say please take the civilians, instead that pussy said please evacuate us to the 3rd safe country and he said nothing about a civilians, with that said, im starting to believe that Russians r telling the truth when they talking about Azov using the civilians as a shield and i strongly believe that Russians taking easy on this war because of this civilian shields. What a PUSSY'S .
Aww, that's so kind of them!
The U.S. and Israel also take great care to avoid civilian casualties but I somehow doubt you'd give them credit for that.
Have you considered that they are avoiding heavy civilian casualties so it plays out better on Russian TV? Or, mare realistically, that high civilian casualties would increase the likelihood of direct Western intervention?
They really didn't care about civilian casualties in Grozny, did they? Give it time. There have already been more civilian casualties since you posted. As they get more frustrated things will get uglier.
@@tpxchallenger lol Israel have attacked schools hospitals and United Nations buildings and had the USA veto supporting it yes the veto USA cries about Russia using 😂
@@shangyang6808 Interesting twist. SDS were not US forces, and taking Raqqa from ISIS was costly. A tragedy. Perhaps it would have been mitigated if ISIS had allowed a timely evacuation.
Your numbers are a little off, by the way. 51,000 named individuals have been killed in Aleppo over the course of the war.
Should the US have not intervened at all in the Syrian Civil war? I can't say. There are never any good outcomes to a civil war but ISIS made no secret whatsoever about their war crimes and atrocities. It almost brags about them. The Assad regime, like the Assad Sr regime has no problem using force to maintain power Syria is Russia's long time client state and has always backed the Assads.
But fine, if you want to equivocate the Syrian Civil War with the Russian invasion of Ukraine, go for it.
Instead of stopping the war, US and Nato tryimg to prolong the war by supplying money and weapons to Ukraine.
US economy needs a boost.
Exactly. We've worsened this conflict. We always "worsen" every situation we get involved in.
I cannot agree with you more. Another mistake that the EU made which raises serious questions is banning of Russian media corporations. Some of us have been watching RT for years simply because it is impartial on its reporting.
yes but thats what the west always do. claiming they want peace yet keep sponsoring wars. typical hypocrisy. but western bots still believe them for some reason.
@@magats209 It may have a unique point of view but it's certainly not "impartial" and never has been, quite the opposite.
An apologist for Putin! Nations formerly conquered and occupied by the Soviet Union after WW2 broke free after 1991, declared their independence, and requested and received NATO membership. Ukraine also declared itself a sovereign nation and applied for NATO membership. Unfortunately, some European NATO members did not want to upset Putin and preferred appeasement. Therefore, NATO membership was denied to Ukraine. The result was the Russian annexation of the Crimean peninsula, takeover of the Donbas administration by Russian "separatists," and the Russian missile destruction of a Malaysian passenger jet from Amsterdam, fired by Russians who then prohibited anyone from removing bodies on the ground for days. Ukraine should have been allowed to join NATO when other Eastern European nations were allowed to join. The war in Ukraine now is a continuation of smaller Russian incursions, takeovers and annexations of parts of Ukraine that have taken place since NATO denied Ukraine's application to join NATO. Anyone who blames NATO or the US for Russia's invasion in February 2022 is merely repeating Putin's lies. Once again, history has shown that appeasement of brutal tyrants only leads to more brutal tyranny.
Wow! What a fine mind and heart... So glad I stumbled upon this vid....
900k deaths, injured, displaced in Iraq/Afghanistan
I’m confident that’s a very conservative number.
Gotta love how the Senate always approve MORE money than is being asked for when it comes to military spending, as if they had a commission relative to the sales volume.
Sounds like they can make money personally lets see who will be buying more stock. What does the us has to gain from giving out more and more for war? If you ask for help at home they claim its a government handout you should pull yourself up by your boot straps. They helped cause this mess then what you to pay for it.
The corruption scam of "privatization" is how they EMBEZZLE government money, and our war companies have been privatized since WW2. So that is why both criminal gangs lie us into wars and vote for insane amounts of war money.
They all know that federal money is NOT "our taxes", it can be issued IN ANY AMOUNT for anything that is physically possible! They hide this from us as much as possible, and have built a global corruption network, taking over countries for decades (not always via war or obvious coup, as when the US took over the UK, Australia, Canada and NZ in the 70s). They privatize all govt services and systems of any country they take over as fast as they can; then the corrupt can bill the government (overbill) massively to provide massive exec salaries and insanely high profits. Wall Street firms invest, knowing that profits are guaranteed via government money.
So lying us into wars allows embezzling, any military action allows it (US military is currently in over 20 African countries as the socioapths attempt to take over that continent), and then if they DO take over another country, they privatize everything and EMBEZZLE from that government massively as well. The greedy sociopaths hijacked the US government quite thoroughly by the 70s, and so we have seen many things privatized - prisons, much of Medicare and the Post Office, detention centers, healthcare (yes, Obamacare and those health insurance companies), and they are trying to privatize public education. They rarely use the real term, "privatization", because they know there is public backlash against it, so with schools they call it "school choice" and "charter schools". Also they say things like "private" prisons, "for profit" healthcare, anything to cloak the truth.
A very astute observation, distilled down . Absolutely summed it up
Sometimes you have to fight.
Don't they? Paid to them by corporations.
Reason why Russia didn't take Ukraine offer was because the way Ukraine broke the Minsk agreement
My grandfather is Ukrainian from Kyiv, so I don’t say this lightly. It appears that the civilian deaths are mostly caused by the Ukrainian forces embedding themselves in civilian buildings, acting As snipers, or sending Malakoff cocktails out windows. etc. So when you investigate we need to find out if there’s an alternative narrative that needs to be considered as a reasonable basis to pause our judgments. Ukraine in truth has an immature army with poor training, and not recognize that they must not unnecessarily endanger civilians by locating themselves in civilian areas..
A perfect example of the western media not knowing what they were looking at were the pictures of people laying dead on the street in Bucha. At that time, no one realized that the white arm bands on these peoples arms indicated that they were killed by Ukrainians. The white band meant these people were letting Russian troops know that they were not adversaries, but sided with them. Two of the bodies had the white arm band taken off and wrapped around their hands behind their back and they were shot in the head. And now we see in other parts of Ukraine that when the Russians come in people put on white armbands to let them know that they are not an adversary. But now the bucha killings are supposedly a closed book.
Civilian casualties are an unfortunate but unavoidable consequence of modern war. I don’t think a modern army is immune from the problem. When we bombed Serbia in an actually offensive war - we were not invited in Serbia - we killed at least 500 civilians and probably more like 2000, including the Chinese Embassy many Chinese officers and employees were killed. we were using bombs from the air exclusively. So being a modern army didn’t prevent us from killing civilians. And apparently we did even worse in Iraq. So I really think we have to assume the jury has to be out on these civilian deaths and who has responsibility of a reckless or untrained or unprofessional army or maliciousness or cruelty. I think it ws the untrained Ukrainians who used people as human shields that used an illegal tactic. We are in the fog of war at this time on that issue.
Spot on. The incorporation of the purely Nazi, US trained and armed Azov Battalion into (weak, as you rightly mention) Ukrainian Armed Forces was a tragedy and a ticking bomb.
Trillions of dollars for Ukraine? but not for healthcare , education or infrastructure in the u.s.?! this is bullshit and a waste of American tax dollars ! 😡
The Democrats just passed a 1 trillion dollar infrastructure bill for the US
Yes say it.
"got money for war, but can't feed the poor" -TAS
Thank Republikkans, Sinema and Manchin.
Yes. This is the second time they have approved more money than actually requested for military spending. I can't remember any time this happened with healthcare, education, infrastructure, not even emergency economic relief in the pandemic. When it comes to guns, there isn't a squeak from either side of the aisle.
Did Zelenski care about his people? I don’t think so. He throws his people into the fire. All he had to do is let Ukraine remain neutral. Zelenski, it's not a hero, not a victim.
You don't know what you are talking about
He is the spokesman for US government. On one hand asking to meet Putin for a ceasefire and peace negotiation, on the other hand begging for more weapons from US and her allies. Yet he is hailed as a war hero by the Western Media. Those innocent Ukrainians who voted for him must be cursing for the catastrophes he had brought them in.
@@walterbo7687 😂
Bullies are to be punished. It is Ukraine that decides to defend to the last man that is their right as human beings. Why is putin not to blame? Russia is the aggressor.
@@jeremyd8778 You are very right. Then we should start with US war on Vietnam followed by the other Middle Eastern countries like Iraq, Libya and Syria.
None of us can change the past. From this point on nations have to live with the borders that they have now
Violence is violence sir. It’s violence and can not be controlled.
At first, I thought Bacevich was spot on with regards to the real US-Russia-Ukraine relationship. But when he mentioned the way Russia conducted the "invasion" as "crude" as far as modern warfare is concerned, that was uncalled for. He made it appear that the Russian forces were to blame for the many indiscriminate and senseless killings of civilians when in fact it was the Neo-Nazi forces of the Ukrainian military that did it, using civilians as human shields through the use of residential buildings as ammunition depot or dump for instance, setting up snipers and having military vehicles park there. That alone is in violation of international law and military doctrine, and would be legitimate targets for the Russians.
“Uncalled for”? And you are using “in fact” when referring to the nazi military of Ukrainian killing civilians? What are we smoking now a days?
Bingo! Same rection here, He's not very informed.
Theres a problem with that appraisal of the situation, and that is that Russia clearly uses weapons in a fashion that makes it impossible to even tell which building they are going to hit.Most of the shelling is done from at least a dozen kilometres away.Russia simply aims to reduce the entire city to rubble, then move in after there is minimal structures left for anybody to hide in/behind.
RECORDED Raped women and children.
SPECIAL MILITARY OPERATION,
Welcome with flowers.
Treating own soldiers as cannon fodder.
Looks like someone is making stuff up
Agree, but not only that, just take a look at how US military act, shock and awe, bombing to dust cities, does not look at all surgical, as US commentators come up with. I cannot imagine any modern war as being anything else than crude and brutal.
You can hate Putin and there are millions of reasons to do so, but we are also responsible for the disaster in Ukraine. We have humiliated and taken advantage of Russia for several decades and ignoring the advice of very knowledgeable and intelligent people who warned about the consequences of our behavior. but in our infinite arrogance we do not listen to those who know on the contrary, we gave Ukraine false hope and President Zelensky misinterpreted it as complete unconditional support. It's time to come to our senses and solve this mess and prevent stupid and unnecessary bloodshed.
infinite arrogance... speak for yourself
Putin is a KGB thug, and a war-crimes criminal, since Chechnya, Georgia, and Syria....only a Putin apologist would believe the nonsense that the self-protection afforded to people with democratic values by the NATO alliance is to blame in Ukraine.
Agree.
It’s because we thought we would get away with it.
lol You Kremlin trolls are insane.
We all live in a free open society with governmental accountability.
Failed to listen, failed to learn from the past, failed to find any empathy. State of humanity
He was doing so well until he started to critise how Russia was waging the war, western hypocrisy comes to mind regarding Belgrade, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan all sufferred civilian casualties and war crimes as a result of NATO bombings - ratio has accepted the high number of casualties due to the restricted way it set about trying to minimise civilan casualties, it could have brought to bear the full extent of its artillery and aur power but didn't, unlike NATO. I suppose it is all ok when we do it. Again calling Putin a criminal is just double standards, this guy is just covering his ass, if they (US,UK and NATO) had said Ukraine is not getting into NATO then the very worst would have been a recognition of the federalised states of DPR and LPR keeping Ukraines borders intact, Instead Ukraine choose to launch a half assed offensive against the DPR and LPR on the 16th - 24th February. How absolutely moronic are politicians are!
he explicitly raises the iraq and afghanistan wars, calls the ukraine war miniscule in comparison, and says we ought to be humble and reticent to point fingers (its in the last 2 minutes of the video)
THEY ALWAYS HAVE MONEY FOR WAR
They have money for war but not for helping the poor.😡
All could have been avoided.
This man is a VIETNAM Veteran . He should be very familiar with the ATROCITIES COMMITTED BY THE US ARMY IN VIETNAM. Those of us who were adults at the time, we remember very well .
For sure.
My Lai was US Marine, he was in the US Army 😂
Every war is bruttal but when comparing brutality in wars at least from 2000s, no country can beat the US and NATO. The Russian could have used shock and awe and bomed cities like the US did in Iraq on the first day but they did not because when you objectively and not emotionally look at the way they went in, you'd realize that they went to all length to avoid civilian casualties. Compared to US shock and awe in Iraq, close to 15,000 people were killed on the first day only. But the western media wanted you to believe that this war is the bloodiest ever.
Check out the chechen wars also interesting story. You'll love it.
It's our tax money and we have ZERO say in how to spend it...
NO TAXATION WITHOUT APPROPRIATION!! We must have a vote in how our taxes are spent!!)
Courageous man!
Just in regard to his comments about precision weapons:
Few, however, remember that the NATO air campaign over Belgrade was largely a comedy/tragedy of errors. Despite claims of pinpoint accuracy with its laser-guided missiles, NATO bombs hit the Chinese embassy in Belgrade, numerous residential apartment buildings, a TV tower, and a regional passenger train near Grdelica. (Note: Milosevic remained in office after the bombing ended.)
How long ago was that? 1999. Here’s something to consider; that was 23 yrs ago. It’s obvious Russian technology is decades behind. The Chinese have taken note.
Something else to consider is the military action was to stop Milosevic’s genocide & atrocities. You know, like Putin is doing now?
Seriously, was insanely belligerent and brutal, particularly with as you noted indiscriminate air-power, a military tactic which hasn't changed much in terms of preference and callous domination toward US "full spectrum dominance" of the earth.
@@Bisquick yes. That US dominance is apparent now in Ukraine.
You're not seriously comparing NATO's air campaign against Milosevic in order to stop his genocidal ethnic cleansing campaign against ethnic Albanians to Putin's unprovoked invasion against a peaceful sovereign, democratic Ukraine and the subsequent war crimes now being committed on a daily basis by Russia are you?! Western intelligence now worryingly indicate that mad Vlad may now resort to using chemical weapons as a false flag scenario has already being created by Russia by falsely accusing the US of having chemical weapons activities in Ukraine!
There was no genocide or ethnic cleansing, that's like Putin's propaganda now of genocide.
20 billion for Afghans and the Ukraine, but nothing for the homeless.
They also cut federal school food program money for some children school lunch is the only meal they get sad 😔
It’s hard to see one very needful group suffering even though another very needful, desperately needful group is being supported.
After this crisis, the homeless will need our focus and our voices to call for the Biden admin. to provide housing for all.
We need to figure this out.
You are correct and please keep it up!
Advocate like your hair is on fire- to sort-of quote Dogen!
right? Insanity
Your life and home are not being bombed! --Audrey in Chicago
@Huai Danny I agree.
I don't even understand what "democracy" means anymore. Is it when the people rule a country? Or is it when people live good lives?
Not around the world. Asia and Africa knew this war start by US, similarly the ousting of Pakistan PM Imran Khan is also a US coup.
Iraq Invasion. During the first ten days more than 6,000 bombs, almost 700 Cruise Missiles and tens of thousands of Heavy Artillery were dropped on innocent, unarmed Iraqi people.
They called it "Shack and Awe."
did not see too many tears being shed for those poor people?
The Iraqi were quite excited during the early days of the war actually. Saddam and his sons were monsters.
@@Charles-yq8vv you know people like you are pitiful
The American public loved it. I was working on a field job in California at the time and there were block parties and street dancing .I was appalled.
@@neoafrican7401 are you saying that's not true?
@@Charles-yq8vv when your twisted media shows you distorted news you belief them..simple minds
Excellent job,folks for presenting the Russian 🇱🇺 perspective.
That is a bit rich coming from a Vietnam vet. Has he forgotten how Agent Orange was sprayed on the women and children
I appreciate this man's objectivism n talking about how an American hyper-aggressive foreign policy in Eastern Europe helped to bring about this crisis. Nobody in the MSM is even talking about this. But what a joke when he ridiculed Russia's "crude" military operations, implying that the US is so masterful at carrying out precision attacks that don't endanger and kill innocent civilians. Pardon me while I pick myself up off the floor where I've been rolling around laughing. MILLIONS of dead in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia, Yemen, and all throughout the Middle East, thanks to 20 years of American "advanced" and "precision" warfare.
You nailed it.
I guess he doesn't include America backing Israelis on Palestinians, or Yemen,, sanctions on countries that won't bow to the USA . Vietnam, Cambodia, napalm bombs, cluster bombed children, women, farmers in Grass shacks. And he has his son killing as well. This is so American the hypocrisy to try and make twisted logic sound normal.
Right to the point ! It was ridiculous to listen
This guy is typical of a sypchotic spychopath. This is how a spychopath articulates his genius in killing and how he convinces the listener to believe he is a normal rational person. This kind of interview is what makes him convince himself he is making logical sense As the ironies are beyond normal mind set. His pattern in killing also extends to his children. Just a life long love for killing, and power over the weak. If he had to go through life with out a weapon by his side, or a backing of brothers in arms he would either implode realizing his own weakness. Or be a cop killing unarmed bad people who smoke marijuana.
Yea I was surprised to hear that aswell.
100% correct. Americans do like to give themselves a participation medals
900,000 deaths are modest numbers. if you account for the chaos and carnage directly and even indirectly caused by invasions of Afg and Iraq (i.e. formation of Daesh) the numbers would be much, much higher
Putin is a CHOIRBOY compared to any USA president . HAHA
The UN says ten million.
The Lancet paper estimated 600,000 Iraqis dead in the first four years after the invasion.
@@numbersix8919 not killed by the U.S. military.
Do you really think that number represents the Massive Bombardment of Shock and Awe killed only 900,000 Iraqies?
Andrew Bacevich is laying out what smart people could see.
Yeah it's like any other War poor people dying for rich people
Indeed we do not like to talk about the atrocities we caused around the world like in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon, Vietnam ......and the list goes on.
In the face our atricities, the Russians look very good in comparison.
You need to educate yourself on the Chechen war, the invasion of Georgia, the invasion of Crimea in (2014), and what Russia did in Syria. Also what Putin did in Belarus this past fall. They are by NO MEANS innocent and Putin is no benevolent leader. How many political opponents have been poisoned, killed and tortured?
@@dsddala467 He may not be innocent, but you are misinformed.
I am not naive nor misinformed. Russia reacts to the threats at its borders but we on the contrary invade countries 10000 miles away for our "security"!
We killed and still kill millions of innocent people in the name of our security, freedom, democracy and human rights!
Russia can kill a billion people in their security interests but that is expected. Why you ask, simple, because we are taught, day in and day out, that Russia is an autocratic system with no regards to human rights, democracy or freedom. But we are also taught, day in and they out, that we have democracy and we care about human rights and freedom!
So, what does it when we decimate countries with millions of civilians killed?
The answer is simple, we have no respect for human rights, freedom and democracy. We are bunch of hypocrites as Americans. I ask those who criticize Russian invasion vehemently to ask yourself what did you do everytime we invaded countries or support atrocities by our allies like Israel. Unlike Russians, we claim we have democracy and we can protest our government policies unlike Russians, Chinese or many other countries that we take as our enemies.
Yep, we Americans really know how to bullshit ourselves, damn are we arrogant. My Mother always told me, "How come you can see the spec in your neighbors eye but can't see the log in your own". That was really good advice, my fellow Americans don't seem to have a clue about the concept.
Plus the Korean war Japan invasion of Nicaragua Somalia and all the other African countries the list is endless
Bacevich made some great points except on his assessment on the Russian's going in "so aggressively " My view is they went in very gently, being accused of meeting stiff resistance. The Russians did not use the "Shock and Awe" in the first few days that Becevich should be very familiar with . If Putin used such methods ,the casualty numbers would be much higher. All his other points I agree with.
I completely agree with you and so does Colonel Douglass McGregor and former Marine and weapons inspector Scott Ritter. Both of them state that the US Military bombs first, then uses artillery to destroy their opponent and then moves in the ground forces with no concern other than a military victory. Russia tried to do as little destruction as possible but the more the Ukrainians fight, the more Russia will destroy Ukraine and the more innocent civilians will suffer. I blame our Neoconservative State Department and the Military Industrial Complex for using Ukraine in a proxy war between the US, NATO and Russia. There is also a Russophobia among the American elites as Bacevich mentioned. It fits perfectly with Orwell's 1984 where an enemy is needed to justify the actions of the government. The propaganda fits perfectly also, the enemy is described as evil subhumans while the host country depicts themselves as pure as the driven snow.
Interesting thay Becevich doesn't discuss 1) the military industry complex or the lucrative goal of creating military markets that underlying factor for NATO expansion ( hand in glove with corruption perhaps ) and 2) Zelensky should have foreseen the disaster he was taking the UKR into after all RUS interests and Putin are know quantities! Sort of dumb policy thinking by the Z-man.
Russians didn’t use shock and awe because they planned a lightening coup and they thought the Ukrainian army would then just fold and the Ukrainians would welcome their ‘liberation’ from the supposedly genocidal nazi regime governing them that turned out to be a democratic government entirely legitimate for all Ukrainians even if Zelensky was down in the polls on Feb 24.
Bad planning, incompetent execution and propaganda driven delusion are to blame not humanitarian restraint. All of those plans failed and their military proved to be incapable of switching to different tactics fast . They are now slowly reverting to a lower scale version of the brutal bombardments of Grozny and Aleppo and a slow grinding advance in the face of an very outnumbered but determined armed resistance. The only thing stopping them is a reluctance to destroy a city with deep Russian historical value and the West’s support of the Ukrainian armed forces and national resistance. At this point even most Russia friendly Ukrainians oppose Putin so he has united Ukrainians as never before.
@@markacohen1 That's just assumptions once again, the reality is, nobody knows what the Russians are or were thinking and planning. The MSM has given endless airtime to military experts and high up commanders both retired and serving and they all have their own opinions, and that's all they are, opinions.
My personal opinion is the Russian forces north of Kiev that did nothing for 18 days and currently is making small probing missions around the capital, is and always was a smokescreen. Kiev will be the most heavily defended city, Ukraine won't let it fall at any cost, so the threat from the Russian advance over the Belarus border tied up huge Ukrainian forces and equipment so the Russians could concentrate on objectives in the East. It's just another opinion, no less valid than any other but still only a theory. Simple fact is we just don't know unfortunately.
Partisans, Sniper, Molotov cocktails, how do you fight them ?
thank you colonel
I call it progress for the Ukrainian people. Freedom and not oppression.
My salute to Colonel Bacevich for his courageous and accurate analysis of this current Ukraine-Russia conflict. There are two points which I want to point out though:
1. Putin and the Kremlin must have figure out their contingency plans of how to sustain in case the war is prolong. We must remember that EU countries' economy may not recover and in fact will face serious repercussions.
2. Colonel had missed out the figure for those deaths in the US war on Vietnam and the generations that suffered from births defects because of US used of Orange Agent on the Vietnamese. Notwithstanding the millions of land mines laid in Laos.
the U.S. WAR MACHINE has its own RED LINES re truthful analysis that he cannot cross
Accurate analysis my ass
That holiday camp the Vietnamese war
Search up Fallujah birth defects, ongoing. US weaponry has left detectable radiation in Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon and Serbia that we know of.
And it's 'Putin's bad' ????????????????????????? They all have to say that, and don't forget to say 'I believe in vaccines'
This is the first time I think I've ever seen this program actually have a balanced coverage with dissident views. I'm actually shocked at all the sense I heard in this video.
Re: @9:00 this is a classic example of Americans being confused that other countries don't do war like them. Unlike the US, Russia is happy to take casualties if it means retaining the infrastructure and minimizing civilian casualties. Don't forget that the US killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians in Iraq to minimize their own casualties. the US frequently uses a scorched earth plan. - Very different than the Russian way.
According to the military guys I know, we bomb first, blast 'em with artillery and then send the ground troops with no concern for the people we are invading. My country is so arrogant we dehumanize the people we blow up and have no concern for them.
WHAT ABOUT THE WAR IN YEMEN ? IT'S A MILLION TIMES WORSE THAN UKRAINE.... BUT NOBODY IN AMERICA HAS EVER HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THE US-BACKED WAR IN YEMEN !
Minimize civilian casualties - your joking right? Russian army is rabble. Iraq is history that has no bearing on Russian aggression in Ukraine.
@@rboz4637 Yes, lets conveniently forget the six million killed after we attacked Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Syria, and helping the Saudi's murder and starve the people of Yemen. You're joking right?
Read the Newsweek article. A us official confirms that the heart and most of Kyiv is untouched.
Virtually all targets were military.
These two people have held the most rational conversation about this war I have heard up until now. Putin is being pushed. If people had been willing to entertain the reality of "Ukraine not joing NATO" this war might have been prevented. Very sad that statespeople could not do better diplomacy. This situation--a cease fire--will necessitate such a compromise: Ukraine not joining NATO--at least for now.
The professor/military man reluctantly admitted our total destruction of Iraq and Afghanistan, but he forgot Libya. Russia has not done the same, hence their slow progress in attaining their objective in Ukraine. Also, the professor is wrong claiming that Russia doesn't enjoy the support of world leaders. He may be referring to Western countries in support, but our planet extends beyond those frontiers.
Why is Ukraine more special and important than Americans.
That trillion dollars could take care of all the homeless and all the sick people in this country
Ukrainian people don't pay taxes but taxpaying Americans can't afford to pay rent anymore
This makes no sense
13billion, not trillions
The money printers want control not people..
That's what I say and look at the speed at which they coughed up those trillions.
@@iameshu1146 like the politician think they're better than us they don't know we pay their salary
Who said others are more important than Americans? Call up your Republicans and ask Why the Democratic Build Back Better policies were blocked by the Trump GOP while playing footsies with dictators.
Senate., while Trump and co
Even a 12 year old know when not to engage in a fight with an enemy twice or five times stronger. Ultimately its on Zelensky who obviously made a wrong and fatal decision that put his country and people in very very bad situation. I feel very bad for the tremendous suffering in Ukraine.
Zelensky is a puppet put there by the USA to do their bidding just as khazai was put in Afghanistan by the US. Khazai left Afghanistan in total devastation with millions of dollars in his suitcase. He did what he was told and left quietly the same will be Zelensky he will leave Ukraine destroyed with his millions of dollars payout .He does not give a shit about the Ukrainians
Comedian was delusional about NATO participation...
Indeed
The MIC would be very happy with that.
I tried to like the report and it did not let me. Where were we in the last 8 years with the war in the Dombas?
This guy needs to see Iraq and see our civilized war machine. What was that saying? Shock and Awe. That must of been precision. War is horrible no matter who wages it. Peace for Ukraine.
He knows. I think he's referring to doctrine. Zelensky has forbidden all males 18-60 from leaving the country. I saw an Azov block a woman holding a baby from escaping to a Russian area. She was crying and as she started back he yelled, "Thank me for not shooting you!" At best it's going to be bad.
They are liars, don't you know that expecting the truth from these guys is like getting blood out of stone. Truth is not their objective.
I was thinking the same thing while listening to him say Russia is uncivilized waging war... on top of the simple inbred tribal bias that makes most people think that their tribe (in this case the US) is civilized and everybody outside is barbaric, you have to add the incredible white washing of war that you get in the US. You never heard on main stream media all the times US drone strikes killed inocent people, including women and children, the time they slaughtered two families going to a wedding, the images of that apache chopper firing at inocent civilians, the US soldiers that sexually humiliated detained people in Irak, the legalization of torture in guantanamo and other torture facilities around the world, shock and awe bombings, and on and on and on and on... they always try to make you think american interventions are surgical and clean, but it´s just hollywood fiction.
When the western countries( USA and European countries) have decided not to buy oil from Russia,Russia has offered oil to India at bottom prices.Since India is with Russia in this war,Russia has offered India even oil for free. India is getting plenty of oil from Russia at cheap rates.
Indians are intelligent enough to make use of this situation.
@Hull Brady But they liked Russian Oligarch money?
I have seen how we destroyed Mosul to the ground to fight ISIS. What we did there was really modern and and civilized bombing wasn't it!!
Shhhhh! Dont talk too loud; you may awake Stalin!
Ukraine, victim? NATO, victim? TRUTH IS THE VICTIM!
so true and not only the US, UK and Canada been very active with the NATO expansion.
All this discussions and interviews for the last month yet people are dying, being displaced, and their country is becoming a rubble. Throw in Yemen, Afghanistan. Iraq and other countries into that mix. Talk is cheap while humanity suffers
You know the drill. The propaganda machine must go on.
In IRAQ, depleted uranium shells were used in war, and have caused both Iraqis and Americans to have health problems.
“While the United States is gradually phasing out the usage of depleted uranium weapons and armor in favor of newer technologies, the ramifications of their usage remain. [2] At least 300 sites in Iraq are contaminated by depleted uranium, and their cleanup cost has been estimated at around $30 million. [5] While the verdict is still out on whether or not depleted uranium is the cause of significant health problems in those who are exposed to it, the full effects of their usage may not manifest themselves for many years.” Stanford University. 2018
And people are still suffering from the effects of agent orange in Vietnam
Could that be why Beau Biden died of glioblastoma? I think Joe believes that.
You do realize that depleted uranium is barely radioactive right? (as in not enough to harm someone, UV rays even emit radiation) Hence the "depleted" aspect to them, they are an incredibly durable metal which is why they are used in tank armor and AP shells. What do you think would happen if the US was storing radioactive ammo in a tank? Thousands of tank crewmen would have horrible radiation sickness, considering they've been using them for over 40 years.
@@crusadinghours3505
US department of Veterans Affairs
First deployed on a large scale during the Gulf War, the U.S. military uses depleted uranium (DU) for tank armor and some bullets due to its high density, helping it to penetrate enemy armored vehicles.
When a projectile made with DU penetrates a vehicle, small particles of DU can be formed and breathed in or swallowed by service members in the struck vehicle. Small DU fragments can also scatter and become embedded in muscle and soft tissue.
Soldiers would be exposed to DU when they were on, in, or near vehicles hit with friendly fire; entering or near burning vehicles or near fires involving DU munitions;
@@teflerchina.2987 Keep in mind this is a very extreme scenario, and I'd be more worried about the getting shot part/physical wounds or HE ammo cooking off instead of DU which may give you cancer in 20 years. I'm talking about general exposure, sitting next to some rounds ect. A dozen rounds of DU ammo half buried in the sand 20 meters from an Iraqi village isn't going to kill anyone. Very different from getting pieces of it imbedded into your body, or ingestion.
(Keep in mind I am in favor of DU getting phased out, I don't think its necessary in the face of modern munitions, and the negatives of the aforementioned extreme exposure.)
Hell no, we won't go!
What about the genocide and war crimes perpetrated by US and its allies in IRAQ, SYRIA, LIBYA, AFGHANISTAN and many more victim-countries. How the interviewee see it? Could he emphasize it before the world-audience? We will be on a wait- and-watch on his honest to goodness explanation.
You lift the rug, I’ll sweep the dirt under it…
Amy, brutal invasion was in Iraq. Remember, shock and awe? If Russia employed "modern warfare" as US did in Iraq, Ukraine would be under their control in a couple of days, with similar number of casualties and leveled cities and civilian infrastructure.
Russians doing nonstop artillery on kyiv right now been going almost 2 days so not sure where Russians are being easy
@@puellamservumaddominum6180 artillery? missiles and air bombings, then you are talking
Although I agree with most of the conversation n respect Andrew, having read a couple of his books, lamenting "the crude brutality" and "the indiscriminate violence" of Russian army is a bit rich from the cntry that brought us "shock and awe" n killed anywhere between 200k-1mil Iraqis. I don't think US gets to lecture the world on how to conduct "humanitarian" style war, we've all seen how they start n end.
The lack of self-awareness is appalling!
War is wrong period. But the ideology of both countries is quite different. The wall in Berlin Germany was obvious for all to witness. Free will should account for something. Oppression is also something we take for granted. Its easy to pick apart any war as being justified. The ultimate truth is still the words , Treat one another as you would want to be treated. one can only imagine how that looks if everyone honored those words and humbled themselves by submitting to the will of others based on compassion. Mankind has never figured it out. Separation from this Truth is when we miss the target or goal by a mile. Its called sin.
They all have to get their propaganda and virtue signal in!
@TrueFact No they went to Iraq for oil and Afghanistan for minerals and opium.Furthermore most of the 9-11 planners were Saudi nationals yet today the US is willing to ignore Saudi Arabia humanitarian rights for the sake of business. This idea that when the US invaded other nations it’s for noble reasons but when Russia does it it’s evil. You haven’t the slightest clue what you are talking about.
"Former UN Inspector Scott Ritter on What The Hell Is Happening" at "Moment of Clarity with Lee Camp" is instructive on Russian strategy, tactics, and progress.
It looks like that the us is sole to blame in this conflict that made the whole world suffer not only ukraine and russia in particular.
I would not give ukrain one god dam dime
I am also a lithuanian and i remember well that we got into NATO during the time of the illegal USA invasion of Iraq and many western n countries, for example France did not support it. As a trade off for the support of the invasion, USA accepted multiple eastern european countries into NATO, Lithuania included. I remember g w bush even doing a tour there. We also had to send some of our soldiers to Iraq and Afghanistan after that. Yet the baltic countries are small and less significant to russia, they would not let it slide with Ukraine
Are you glad you’re a NATO member now? I’ve heard people are coming into Finland, trying to leave Russia. Is that happening in Lithuania?
I am Lithuanian too in America, second generation and am damn glad.
@Paula Zemeckis Enlighten us, what is the population now of Lithuania and median age. I'll answer, it's 45 vs 30 in 1990. From 1990 you guys lost 30% of ur young population. That's because EU devastated ur economic sector and everybody fled. In another 15 years there will be no one by retirees. But of course ur happy, you fled too.
Dilyana Gaytandzhieva, a Bulgarian journalist, told us that the Bulgarian people are not happy about being part of NATO, a decision apparently made by government elites. ... By the way, she reported on the US biolabs in countries surrounding Russia. She gave a video interview on the subject at Mint Press, March 10th: "US Admits to Funding Biological Lab in Ukraine with Dilyana Gaytandzhieva" by Dan Cohen
You accepted to eat human waste for breakfast and supper from America. Europeans never learnt a lesson from WW1 and WW2 all started in Europe and it looks like WW3 could start in Europe. You people will incinerate each other out of existence with your own weapons . Nuclear war is coming and the centre of destruction will be Europe. WW1 and WW2 were picnics and WW3 will be a disaster for humanity and especially nuclear powers where a large part of humanity will be decimated.
Pleased to note that someone is coming out with a more balanced view different from the narratives of the the main stream media. Has anyone bothered to ask what had been happening in Eastern Ukraine since 2014 and how many civilians lost their lives?
A lot of people bothered. You didnt
Thanks for pointing out the death doled out by western Ukrainians, some literal Nazis, on the Russian speaking Ukrainians in the East.
Who is the aggressor? THE TRIO!
Signs of judgment for America 🇺🇸
Finally some truth acknowledging what USA and nato has done in last 20 years
Meantime Russia invaded Georgia, Cecenia, Crimea and are fighting in Syria.
@@walterbo7687 Russia saved Syria from usa 😆😆